
#158 Călin Georgescu - Does Romania's Coup Reveal NATO's Desperation to Push WW3?
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- 13 Jan 2025
Călin Georgescu is a prominent Romanian politician, agronomist, and frontrunner of the contested 2024 Romanian presidential election. He holds a Ph.D. in pedology from the University of Agronomic Sciences and Veterinary Medicine of Bucharest, served as the Executive Director of the National Centre for Sustainable Development in Romania from 2000 to 2013, coordinated Romania's National Sustainable Development Strategy, and held positions as Executive Director of the UN Global Sustainable Index Institute and President of the European Research Centre for the Club of Rome.
In the 2024 Romanian presidential election, Georgescu emerged as a surprise frontrunner over pro-Western candidate Elena Lasconi, winning the first round with 22.95% of the votes. His campaign focused on national development, sovereignty, and reducing Romania's dependence on imports. The results were then annulled by the sitting Romanian government following allegations of Russian interference and the use of undeclared campaign funds - drawing comparisons to recent political turmoil in the USA.
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Mister Colleen Georgescu, thank you for having me here today. I know we have, a lot to talk about. 1 of the most talked about political things right now in Europe, and, I understand the importance of it and the timeliness of it. So, I just appreciate you keeping me here today. Thanks, Sean.
Thank you for having me. Bye. It's my Appreciate Quick, introduction. You are the center you're at the center of 1 of the most talked about political events in Europe right now. Iran is an independent nationalist candidate who unexpectedly stirred up a political storm in Romania.
The first round of voting you won with 23% of the vote. On December 4th, the US expressed concerns over Russian involvement in cyber activities influencing this election. On December 6th, the Romanian constitutional court annulled the results due to allegations of the Russian interference with 0 evidence. You are known to be a man of the people, and you are a believer in Jesus Christ from what I understand. And so before I start, I found a verse that I thought was very fitting for what you're going through, what the US is going through, and what the world is going through right now.
It's Ephesians 6:12. For we are not fighting against flesh and blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in heavenly places.
Thank you. I appreciate it. Just 1 mention that, independent, yes, but dependent by the Romanian people. And for the working class and for the working families and for the to foster the domestic economy and to don't depends about others, but looks that it is wrong for the oligarch system, which, by the way, in order to start, I am to be very clear, I am I am not a political correct person. And I am against or I am anti oligarch system.
I am anti woke. I am anti LGBT. And let's be very clear. We are with God, and we are for our land. And this have to be for all the countries around the world, not only for Romania.
If it's a signal for Romania, it's great. But in any case, we have to be free, man, free people as the god blessing us from the early beginning. But looks like the oligarch system, which already they lost. They didn't know yet. Or they know that they don't want to realize that this happened what has happened.
I think they know.
We dance. I am telling you, Sean.
I think they know.
We are dancing now.
You know, I've seen a lot of similarities, from what I've gathered in in with this election that's happening in Romania right now, also with the 2020 election in the United States, and the election that we just went through. And, so I know you have a limited time, and you're a busy man. And so I wanna start with, what are the allegations against you?
You know what? Lies rush. Truth waits, always. Because we cannot do a change if we are not saying the truth. The truth is the most important part of our life.
And all this stuff are related to its, interference from Russia, which doesn't exist. I have no any relationship myself. And besides, there are 0 proofs in general what, they are talking about.
How do they think Russia interfered? What are they saying?
They are saying that, they didn't tell you, but they don't explain how. Important is they don't even the the former president, Yohannes, had an interview in December. And, the journalist asked him exactly as he asked me. No. And, he said, we have no proofs.
We have just, we suspect. We have had suspicion.
So there was a very broad
statement. Yeah.
No no specifics.
No specific. Even, you know, in the in the score. So where we have I mean, they they have no evidence.
Did this stem from the Biden administration?
Yeah. I mean, what I want to say is from the beginning that the second round of elections, was illegally and unconstitutionally canceled. They stolen the vote of the people. New elections, or they are talking now, are fraud, even bigger. Right?
And, the Romanian people are aware that was a order from abroad and implemented by Romanian oligarchs. Because I want to underline the most important sentence of our conversation today. They are alert about the word peace because they need war. And from early beginning, now and forever, I am the person for peace. I am the president of peace, and all my campaign was for peace.
And I said, we don't need war. We need just peace. And when they asked me different, this illegal media, we sometimes they prefer the lies instead of truths. I said, yes. I shall stop in the first second.
Any contribution from Romania for this war?
Who are some of these oligarchs in Romania?
What do they do? You know, the system is everywhere. The system, it's in civil servants. It's in a is a system. They they they are in a network made by Soros from early beginning of 90.
From Soros? George Soros. Yeah.
George Soros that just got the With
the same situation as he made everywhere. And was civil society destroyed totally from 1990. And, I wish to be very clear that in the first minute when I share the official president, the source network in Romania will be banned. Banned because did a lot of damage for our country and for our people. A lot.
A lot. Significant. And it's not only for Romania. And by the way, this situation which they made now, they said a dangerous situation. You know?
A dangerous precedent, not only for Romania, for the whole world, and space and, and most, special for United States. Because I I know, and I was trained, and I received the the massive, the massive, constructive education in United States. I remember very well in 1992 when I was first 9 in United States. I remember with okay. In the in the area of environment, which is my my background, but I learned about the idea, the strong idea of Thomas Jefferson, of Lincoln, of Washington.
What does mean the democracy? What is democracy today? They installed a dictatorship with this situation. And, again, they set a dangerous situation, a dangerous precedent for what will happen next in United States. Because they don't understand, Washington particularly today, or the new administration, that this could be a wave, very dangerous, for all of us.
It's not only for Romania. Our dialog today is not only for Romania, honestly speaking. You are here because you are aware, as we we changed some words before our interview, that the situation is terrible dangerous everywhere. And particularly, exactly in the country where we are looking all of us for the big changement Mhmm. For the freedom, for the real democracy.
I mean, after so many years, we arrive in the point that they impose the dictatorship. And this is very dangerous because, again, it's a precedent for all of us, for the whole world right now. Yes. A lot of people, including Romania, they are looking for, January 20. But I don't know if we shall arrive to January 20, and all of us will be happy on that.
The only thing which I can guarantee today to you is what's happened in Romania is 1 very important step. The people are together. We are 1. And this is very important. Mhmm.
Because the people, they realize what is going on, and they realize the situation. And they realize that, the system was exposed. It's corruption. This is extremely important for us. Of course, this is not justice.
Not only Romania. Justice, doesn't exist, in any country. When is
the last time that Romania had a present that wasn't under the influence of oligarchs in the deep state? Has there ever
been This was started already in, 1990 in 1990. So 1989 was, put that together with with revolutionary act from the people the true believers at that time. Okay? But in fact, it was Kudetah. And, network, particularly, they they stolen the country immediately.
And we arrived today with 0 capacity in order to produce our domestic economy. And in general, the people are some it's another country, another Romanian country. It's abroad, which is, of course, it's, it's very dangerous, and it's not good for us. So it's 1 country outside, country inside. Mhmm.
And it's not they are not they don't left for good. They left Romania because they need decent work, and they need dignity. You know?
When it comes to the allegations against the Russian influence on the the election process right now, I just wanna ask you, man to man, have you had any contact with Vladimir Putin? No. 0. Absolutely 0.
Is anybody in your campaign that you're aware of? Nobody. Important is particularly myself. I have no relationship, no contacts, no communication. Just I know like you from the TV.
This is all. But in any case, important is that nobody ask official them. I mean, in a sense, those guys which they accuse us, I'm I'm speaking about the Romanian side, they didn't ask the Russian embassy or official, let's say, conversation with, with them. What is going on here? No.
And that is 0 evidence. So, my side from my side, as I said, it's a 0 contract. From their side, No evidence. So everything which is going on today in the whole world is because it's Russian influence.
Seems to be the commonality. So Yeah.
Exact it's like meat. Yeah.
They did the same thing against president Trump, and that wound up being being a hoax.
Even though I'm excited for the new administration, there's a lot of tension in the world. Russia, Ukraine, the border, inflation, who knows what could happen next? Me, I'm not waiting around to find out, and I don't think you should either. Look. It's simple.
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Exactly. So don't forget that in the allegation from Trump before, it's absolutely evil with what I received. It's just they changed Trump, which are just what he sees all. But it's in fact, they are
the same. When it comes to the the Russian Ukraine war, do you lean towards the Russian side? Do you have a stance on that? What would you like the outcome to be?
So first of all, you cannot put weapons before dialog. Doesn't this is dialog? And it's just, you know, the the the war has his invisible side. Because behind the war is, head of snake, which is a financial banking system. They need, as I said to you before, they are alert of the world peace because they need war.
Mhmm. Because war doesn't mean a lot of influence and money. And in general, the objective are the natural resources. We have problems, a lot of problems as country, not only from now, in the history. Why?
Because we are rich, this country. Very rich country is Afghanistan. Very rich country is Ukraine. Extremely rich country is Russia. There are few countries very, very, very, very rich.
Look Africa. Why Africa is like this? Mhmm. Because it's very rich. In fact, it's a as continent, of course, is very rich, but all the countries are very rich in Africa.
I know that there is a lot of Russian and Chinese influence in Right now. Africa.
Right now. Because of those because of those resources. Those are resources. Exactly. But the sign is that, they give to them the chance to be free as before the colonial colonial regime.
You know what they they they did. This the the, the slavery is very, very present today. It's not, abolished.
So when it comes I just wanna read I wanna ask my question. Are you pro Russia in the Ukraine war? Yes or no?
I am pro Romania. You're pro Romania. I don't care what is going on there. It's just 1 case. It's not my business.
How you can have a war in the middle of Europe? Just think about that. Mhmm.
It's a
crazy time. I mean, it's it's incredible. I mean, I was trained for diplomacy, for dialog. We have all the capacity in a dialog to discuss about this. Nobody needs about this.
I I understood, when I had the number that, United States and, together with Europe, till now, they invest more than 300,000,000 in this world. Could be wrong, could be right. I don't know. But, anyway, looks that, it's most probably that. So how you can lose this money in the moment when you have more than more than 25% of the whole world is under the level of poverty, which has been below $2 per day.
Okay? Have you been sometime in in Africa?
I have been to Africa.
I have many times. 8 years. And I know the situation there. They invest in both sides, and they fight. Mhmm.
What does it mean for, for this, 3rd millennium? When we when we arrive as people, as human beings, besides our national countries and our nationalists and our freedom. The most important is we are very, very close to lose the humanity from us. And this is my my way with my people. Again, I'm not pro Samoan.
I'm not pro American. I'm not pro Chinese. I'm not pro Russia. I'm not pro Ukraine. I'm just pro Romanian, but I'm pro humanity.
This is a most important part of my my, my campaign and my my way.
Would it be fair to say you're just totally indifferent to the Russia Ukraine situation? Your only concern is you don't want Romania involved.
Could be more specific. Like,
You just don't want Romania involved in the Russia Ukraine conflict?
Yes. I don't want to involve my country there. I it's not our war. It's we have to take care about our land, only about our land, about our welfare, about our families. I wish and I definitely I I I have to be a president who take cares about the children, to take care about the families, and to take care about the peace inside.
The peace for the whole world come from our peace, from us, from inside us. It, comes from here.
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But, what is what the legacy media is doing is exactly what is not truth. Mhmm. And this is the main important point. I mean, who has a first power in the world? I'm telling you, media.
And this is a very, very dangerous situation. Because if you are speaking or if you are writing because someone behind you pay you, Exactly as Trump said, follow the order. Mhmm.
You know, I think that the the world is on the precipice of a a media revolution, and legacy media every day is losing more and more credibility.
Legacy media. Yes.
The the the media landscape is is being revolutionized by podcasts like this.
Indeed. Indeed. And moreover, it's, the people, they have to recognize what's what's happening in Romania, because Romania made act of that, of dignity, of honor, which not exists. Too much spread in the world today. So the Romanian people, they are looking for the dignity of human being.
They are looking for the dignity of our country. To be to to to to weigh the respect, you have to respect first yourself. You know? And it's not secure for any person today in the world because it's not a cult of morality. Doesn't exist.
And for this reason, I said, what has happened now in Romania, And there's no reaction from abroad, especially from United States. They don't understand what is going on here because if they use Romania as a door for war, what would be next? So first of all, they killed the democracy. They stole the dictatorship with the president, as I said, for the whole world and special for United States. Because all the people, they are looking for the changement, which president Trump will arrive soon.
How can do that if it's not reaction exactly to the main important door for the democracy and of the situation which is today. I mean, again, this was happening the last year in December 6 when they canceled, as I said, the 2nd round of election. And they they definitely they installed the dictatorship in, in Romania. So today, it's quite, more than 1 month. There's no reaction.
Mhmm. I can understand the situation. Official to be recognized to be official. But even that, you you can have, a reaction. No reaction.
And and this is, also I said for for the Romanian people, it's important because, we we expose the corruption of the system with this situation, and we expose the corruption everywhere because I said that Romanian people, I said in the early beginning, is aware of the fact that it was a coup d'etat, exactly as I said, ordered from abroad and implemented by the Romanian oligarchs. European Union is totally for this war. Mhmm. We are not. It's not our war.
It's not our problem again. We are looking just for peace. I don't want to see 1 man, 1 young man, to be involved in this situation.
I think a lot of people agree with you on that. Exactly. I wanna move to your campaign. It's my understanding that that your campaign did not require a lot of money, a lot of capital. You don't trust the legacy media, and you took to social media.
What we saw in 2020 during the Trump Biden election is Mark Zuckerberg completely deplatformed president Trump. He wasn't allowed to use the the any social media platforms. Jack Dorsey kicked him off of Twitter. I believe even Google also deplatformed them. Are you experiencing any deplatforming or censorship on any of your social media campaigns?
Sean, first of all, the social media was used by all the politicians. Mhmm. Correct? Everywhere. I mean, it's not not myself first.
But in our specific case, our campaign use 0 budget because this was my wish. In order to foster and to to, yeah, to foster the Romanian people for for the future and for our real democracy and freedom. This was my decision. No budget for that. So the narrative changed the situation, my narrative, not the social media.
Social media was just a network in order to to to rolling to roll the the narrative, the ideas. Yes. Indeed. But this was made by 1,000 100,000 people. Mhmm.
I was not involved in on that. I made this just with a few, people. It was just a few team, a a small team. And we spread this, and I said, do what you want.
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If the people, they invest their self, it's not my business. I don't know nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
I don't know who made and why they made. So it's no any influence of that. Again, 0. We are here, and we trust in our land. We trust in God, and this is all which we need.
So the the problem is shown is you can see also your question, which is normal to to give to me. Is that the people, they don't realize they could be in other form this campaign. Because simply they remain in their track, and they don't believe there could be other solution, Other alternative. Why? Could be.
Why you have to remain, because we are not free for this reason. We are not free in our mind to think that can be not an alternative. We we can think different.
How did they how did they shut you down?
It's my understanding you won you won the 1st round with 23% of the vote. Am I correct on that? It is correct. After, of course, they they stolen a lot. It's probably was more than 30%.
But It was more than 30%. Yeah. Yeah. Because, we know from from our calculation. But in any case, it was 23rd, as you said.
And I want to mention it early beginning, they put me on the on the screen with less than 1% until the end of the day. Wow. Yeah. So for this reason, I mean, all the calculation for them, they were wrong, totally wrong, or manipulate.
And what and what means do you think they'll go to to try to stop you? I mean, we talked about how they deplatform Trump in 2020. This election, we saw 2 assassination attempts. We've seen false allegations with with all kinds of things in in in in Georgia and New York. And so what what what are you expecting to deal with as as this election kind of resurfaces?
From what I understand, that'll they're gonna is it May? They'll redo the election?
For in this this year? Yes. Yes. Yes. They, yesterday, they, promoted.
Exactly as I said, the new election new elections are fraud, even bigger than what they made already. Because we discussed about the 2nd round, cancel illegally and unconstitutional.
How did they do that?
Simply like that. By by an order. Are you explaining that the Romanian constitutional court is something which they made from early beginning in order to help them help the system, the oligarch system in any situation. Which tells me what they did is finish. If they said our dialog today, Calvino is shown, is wrong, they cancel.
Is Romania in the midst of a coup right now? Indeed. That's what's happening. And it's a coup
that are in
no
shame in front of all the all worlds. And the problem, Sean, is is no reaction. This is is just a reaction from our people, of course, from the Romanian people, also from abroad. This is absolutely clear. Everyone in Europe, you have seen also in Canada and not only also in other states.
I'm speaking about Romanian people. But no official position. So with another words, what is going on here? We accept the dictatorship. Does mean that even United States, they accept this.
So maybe tomorrow, we can see in front of us that it happens the same dictatorship in Washington. I don't know. So this precedent is very, very dangerous because nobody act. I ask you how the former president, which is still totally illegal in the position today, how he can, have any international meeting or position because he's illegal. The government is illegal.
Everything is illegal after the December 6th last year. Nobody said anything.
How much of this how much of this coup has to do with the the NATO base that they're building in Romania right now? From my understanding, this will be the biggest the biggest NATO base ever to be built in Europe, 1.5 times bigger than Ramstein airbase.
I understood also this. 10,000 troops. I understood. I understood. We by the way, they are not Romanians.
You know? So probably they they had the plan before, and, the Romanian people, they changed their plan. And for this reason, they put a constitutional court to stop and to cancel the second round. Because, again, I was and I am, and I should be forever for peace. Why you have to to have war?
Why you have to we don't need war.
This is
my point.
What will the implications of Romania be, well, if the NATO bases goes to completion?
Will it be a way for, a dangerous situation of democracy in United States? This is an important point.
I would think it would be a major there would be major implications for Romania too if Russia decides to strike that base.
It's true. But also for United States. Because from United States, we are looking for the democracy. And that's a disappointment, which I said to you. And here we are, exactly exactly on this point, that the the situation and the the the whole system of democracy is affected everywhere today.
Look looks what is what's happening in Canada. It's a wave of changement. And the real people as president Trump, they don't realize what is going on here. What is happening in Canada? What is happening in Austria?
What is happening in France? You know, very well. In Germany, by the way, in Europe. Okay. I I can understand that each country has his own problem and not easy to manage, especially the debt.
Correct? The debt, the loans we they did before. We discussed in United States about 35,000,000,000,000 debt, which is not easy to be managed. I can understand, even for us. But still, it's a problem of human being communication.
It's a human being, you know, part of this life related to his God. If in the note of $1 is we trust in God. Israel or not? This is my question for Washington. We trust in God.
We trust in Romania, for sure. Otherwise, we we cannot arrive here. We don't arrive here with all that. God made us to arrive here in this point. And for sure, we are we are we we shall continue this way of dignity.
But, have faith, Sean. And exactly here we are today. You have or you don't have faith. Is the main important point of our dialog today. And this is my message.
You trust or not in God because here is a spirit is a spiritual level. This is absolutely clear. And, it's not just a matter of, let's say, economic situation, which I can understand. But it's not. It's nothing more than that.
We are here in a historical situation for a big shift after 2000 years of, let's say, of of no real democracy, especially the last 100 years. Romanian people, we don't play games. We are very, very straight for our dignity and for our honor. And we we are totally convinced and and commit to continue for the dignity of of us, of human being, beside anything else. Otherwise, so that's mean that's what we are doing, in this world.
Why you arrive here? It's a it's a question. Why we are here? For for what purpose? What is our way?
Why were I special in this time? No 100 years ago or 500 years ago.
The world is definitely at a major decision point.
Yeah. But we have to to, to to to recognize the consciousness we have to conduct us.
Could you be a little bit more specific as to the the consequences to the United States if the NATO base does go to completion?
Very good question. NATO, based on its own constitution, is a defensive organization. Correct? It's everybody is knowing that perfectly. For this reason, we we, as people, even for European Union, even for NATO, we are totally agree, and we are we like to be like that.
It's fine. Again, it's fine. But in the moment when you change the constitution and you want to be offensive organization, it's changed the game in the middle of the game. Change the rules. And here we cannot accept this point.
Because if they change the rule and NATO becomes an offensive organization, that's mean that it's not anymore NATO. Correct?
Correct. That's where I thought This
is a huge influence for United States, especially today with the war in Ukraine.
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Because Zelensky Zelensky won the PR war, But Putin won the real war. This is the difference. And the legacy media, they are talking about other things, which is not the truth. What is in the early beginning to you? Lies rush.
The truth waits.
So this NATO base, just to be clear, the biggest NATO base ever to be built in Europe is going to be constructive to conduct a major offensive into Russia. Exactly. This is a word offensive,
which is wrong way, and we cannot accept this. Simple like that. Of course, it's not our business. It's not our war again. We have no how I can say it?
It's not evidence. There doesn't exist evidence of that. Why we have to be involved on that? Come on. Reason to do that.
And again, you you cannot change the rules during the the game.
If you do win the presidency here, will you reconstruct the Romanian government? How how much we have to how much of the government is corrupt? All. All of it.
All of them. How will you reconstruct that? It's very simple. Very simple. You don't have to do something specific for that.
But for sure, in the moment when the productive property is spread everywhere, That means you spread the power to each citizen. You get my point? Because each of them will be free. He has the capacity to produce profit with his own hands. And the states help him, because the private property is a key element.
And here I am, exactly as Thomas Jefferson made. I don't invade the the the wheel. I'm telling you. I'm just I learn from our predecessors. Thomas Jefferson was, for me, it's a absolute ideal 1.
And here, we discuss about how we can spread the productive property, how we can spread the the power to the people in order to produce goods. And then we add it. And we don't sell the just the natural resources. Like like that, we we sell very edit. We don't sell the timber.
We sell the the the chair, or you sell the, you understand, the furniture.
You sell the products made from
the resources. Exactly. So this does mean that in the moment when you empower your people to produce and to foster the domestic economy, the country immediately, they clean the corruption. Because the corruption now dictates what dictates? Dictates the process.
And, in the moment when they dictate this, the big fish eat the small fish. And it's Finnish. Mhmm. I mean, the the domestic product, the domestic people, they don't have any word to say. The farmers in Romania, they are under the dictatorship of the oligarch system.
So just this was my plan, my program, food, water, and energy. Exactly as, Kennedy spoke in United States, even even Trump. Kennedy was very specific. We we have to change agriculture. We have to give, real food to our to our children because we are sick as a nation.
Except this is happening, but my program was more or less a more specific on that. Food, water, and energy. We produce food, good quality of food, natural food, water, a good quality, energy. We have all the energy. It's necessary.
Why you have to import energy? This is very, very basic things which we have to do. So in other words, we change the situation, chain change the economic situation. This is a big change, man, which we have to do. So we don't change the people.
We change the system. Mhmm. You get my point.
I get your point. What kind of energy? How are you gonna expand that?
We have we have a lot of water. Hydro? Hydro. So first of all, hydro, it's top. We have oil a lot.
Of course, now it's not ours. It's, to others too. Or Austria or to others. But this is not, we, every everything can be can be reshaping, can can be changed. But we have hydro.
We have oil. We have coal a lot. So we have everything. So we can be the main exporter of energy in the in the region, by the way. The main exporter of the region.
We have gas, a lot of gas, including in the Black Sea. So we as I said to you, our problem is our richness. We have problems now because we are very, very rich, and this is a problem.
If you do become the president, will you have the power to stop the construction of the NATO base?
I have the power to install the peace. This is for sure. The people in the entire international world, they have to recognize the peace, not the war. We don't need war. It's absolutely a crazy things which we are doing today.
In all the countries. Speaking about any country, if you wish, whatever country you you choose. In Europe, China, Russia, United States. Why you need this? Now I ask you, why?
Why why we need? If we can cooperate, we have just 1 planet, which give to us everything, can cover all the needs which we are looking for. But for sure, cannot cover 1, our greed. If we trust in God, why we need war? I ask you.
I ask you personally today. Why? If we said we trust in God. Correct? Correct.
Correct. Even in a note of $1 is all. No? We trust in God. Why you need the word?
Well For what? Because we can cover all the needs. Mhmm. You would have to take away greed. This is the point.
So the greed would be end. In the moment when exactly as I said on the economic dimension, as a distributed system, as a sovereignty of the people. Because this thing we're looking for, in the moment when each of them has power. Each, not few of them. Each.
In the moment when the private property is strong and private productive property property is strong, which does mean he has the tools, he has everything in order to each person to produce himself whatever he wants or to construct whatever he wants. That's not my point. Small and mental enterprise. This is the most important. Romanian entrepreneurs to be strong, the country will be strong.
If we discuss about oligarchs, they are strong. Of course, they destroy the Romanian entrepreneurs. Because they they control the
market.
The market is not free. The market is controlled. It's a market controlled by the oligarch system. They control the price. In the moment they only control the price, they destroy the the domestic product.
So the market the the price of the of of the market have to be free. Free. Free does mean free. No other things. So it's very easy.
So for this reason, I said, we don't need war if we have all the things which we need. Why why you have to have war? Okay. We can understand what's happened 200 years ago, 300 years ago, 500 years ago. We can understand 1000 years ago.
Yeah. Until the moment when all the states arrived to the point and okay. We cannot we can understand the construction of the states. But right now, in the 3rd millennium, what is the role I ask you of United Nations in this war, in this sense? I left United Nations for this reason, because I know the reason why they built United Nations 1945 for 1 simply gold piece.
We don't need any more war. This was the goal. It was not anymore until today where more than more than 1,000 wars everywhere. In conflicts. What is the role of the United Nation?
I ask. From 1945 until today, tell me what was his role. If the main important role, peace, was not accomplished, does it mean that me, you, as citizen, which already we pay from, correct, from our budget to United Nation via our countries, because this is a rule. Each country make is a contribution make a contribution to United Nation. You, me, everybody.
How can reflect our contribution? The peace. 0. Because they installed the war everywhere. Where is United Nation in Ukraine today or in relationship with Russia?
Why United Nation is not in Moscow today or in Kiev to discuss about this? Why? Why is not?
I think it's pretty clear because they don't want it.
Why why Washington is not, in front of that?
Because they want the war.
I told you from already beginning. This for this reason, they canceled the second election with me and the Germanian people because I said peace. Peace is the main purpose. So we have to be aware. And through you and through other leaders like you, who you trust in god, to reflect that we are in a very dangerous situation because we have no in Europe, particularly, Sean, we have no leaders.
We have just power holders and puppets as in Romania is today. It's a puppet. Of course, it's it's controlled by our legal system. It's not a leader. Leaders are few, very few.
And they trust in God, and they take care about our people. I hope president Trump I am very clear to be a leader. I hope to be a leader.
I think a lot of people hope that.
I hope to. Until the first day. In the first minute, not first day.
Yeah. When the election resumes, we have to start from the 1st round again?
We it's difficult to accept this. Almost impossible because new elections are frauds even bigger. Mhmm. We are looking for the 2nd round, and we are looking that before 20, I hope, or after 20, in the 1st day, president Trump to to give a wise wise signal to our world. But beside, we are Romanian people alone with God.
So we continue our way like already we start for our duty. For sure that.
Well, mister George Escob, I really appreciate you being here, and, I can tell you're a great human that cares a lot about your people. And, I just wanna tell you the ambition. So I
very much appreciate the the time of this 1.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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