This week in Vinton, Virginia, what at first appears to be a murder suicide gets much more complicated when it's determined to be one hundred percent murder. But that door just leads to more dark hallways. Welcome to small town murder.

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Day. Indeed, Jimmy. Yeah, indeed. My name is James Petraglia. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wassmann. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today. We are very excited. We've we've had quite a run lately and fun of absolute insanity and weird shows. This case today was one where I'm like, I found it. And I'm like, this is pretty straightforward.

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It is. This is a comedy show. We're going to make fun of things. We're going to make fun of small towns. We're going to make fun of like a police force that lets somebody go free for twenty years. Things like BASTABLE festivals, bands we've never heard of playing at a small town festival in a park somewhere, that sort of thing. And the small towns, look, everybody's from a small town. Everybody's from somewhere that sucks.

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I know where I'm from. We make fun of it like crazy where you're from. You make fun of it like crazy. Where we live now, we all make fun of it like crazy. So relax. We all do it. We all make fun of it. Everything sucks. It's we're roasting towns. That's the point. Roasting it. It's like if you go to a Don Rickles show in nineteen seventy five, you're not like I don't enjoy that.

He called me a hockey puck. You know, it's fun. We're having a good time here.

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But if you're ready for it, I think it's time to sit back, clear the lungs and shout, shut up and give me murder.

Let's do this, Jimmy. All right.

Let's go on a trip. Yeah, we're coming from the West last week in the mountains in Utah. That's right. And also Phoenix, as we remarked, Phoenix unmercifully, unbelievable story, that was a while, this is it. Was it for so long. That's what's crazy about all this is even kind of weird or in a way here. This is we're going to Vinton, Virginia. It's just it's central, like kind of western Virginia, just outside Roanoke.

It's like a suburb of Roanoke. It's about three hours to Richmond, about two hours and 15 minutes to Edinburg, Virginia, which was the sun powered killer episode, our last episode there. How long ago was that? A little over a year ago. I was saying it was a while ago we were coming back making a swing back through Virginia here. And this is in Roanoke County area code five four.

It's three square miles. The whole town's a small town, kind of, like I said, in a burb. Now, the motto here to talk about this, because Virginia, their motto is Virginia is for lovers, OK? Which is ridiculous, number one. Now, this town's motto when coupled with that really makes it strange because Virginia is for lovers. And then this town's motto is, are you in yet?

Dot, dot, dot. Ouch. Not there. RockHall, what the hell are we talking about? Are you. Jesus Christ. Is that real? That's real. Are you in. Are you in. They can't do that with Virginia's believers. Is it in yet sticking in me. What are we talking about.

Who came first there. Oh that's gross. Does it matter? Does it matter who came first? Either way, you'd go, well, we can't do that because they're doing that right now. Don't care for the state. The town. No one's got some money. Made a choice. Yeah, I think both made a bad choice. That's what I mean. Either one is bad. Yeah. I guess Virginia is for lovers are trying to always be on the East Coast.

They play the commercials all the time, like in New York. They're trying to get people to go there on vacation. In New York, you're always like we go in there for I'm down here and fuck. Is that what you're saying?

Basically, it's like now you're going to either go like up to the mountains, you're going to go all the way down to like the Florida or the beach or somewhere like that.

Stop in the middle and ruin a hotel, stop in the middle of a you know, most of where everything's landlocked except for Virginia Beach. That's the only place that's not come on over. And that is the girls here. We girls here.

Why not? Hey, everybody, leave your used condom strewn throughout our streets for our children to drive to Florida and right up here on the first night. That's right. Be disgusting. Defile our hotels and then we'll wave you away by. How encouraging are you in?

OK, what the fuck, Virginia? I don't know what's happening with Virginia.

And so Vinton this town was made incorporated by the Virginia General Assembly in March of eighteen eighty four. They had a population of five hundred eighty four and then it really kind of blew up from there and started going quickly. It's everything here kind of has to do with Roanoke because it's right outside of a city. So it's kind of the all the everybody kind of does all their things in Roanoke and shit like that. Capital. Yes. Roanoke, Virginia.

Yes. So the the farmland was made available for development after that, as much of this was farmland. And then also kind of land speculation started happening where people were buying up large swaths and trying to do some real estate stuff here. Agreed with the woods. Yeah, I love when they do that. Places that are like, well, you could just build anywhere around here, Phoenix. They'll do that. I bought this big swath of desert.

Great. Of course it did. And what's the difference between that desert, the desert over there? It's the same. It's just flat dirt that's hard and has dust blowing like, oh, yours is slightly less it's slightly a different shade of tan than that dirt. Terrific. You ever drive between Flagstaff and Phoenix? There's so much area that they could have put Phoenix that its so much nicer. You could just put stuff out there. No one would even notice it for a while.

You could live there for ten years and they'd be like and the fuck that this is my property with his house go. There's nothing out there. You wouldn't, no one would notice so much room and there's so much better. I don't know how they landed here. Like fucking.

Yeah, the mountains were there and they were like, well, we can't possibly make trails all through. That's going to be difficult. Lazy bastards figure out asphalt earlier dicks. I live in a fucking Sun Bowl. What is happening could be living on a mountain. Yeah, looking down Chicago. Man, it looks hot down there as people are cooking down. They're so much better up here. Holy fuck. Oh so we're whoever did it. You're an asshole.

Yeah. Thanks a lot. I mean you're dumb.

So apparently money would come and go quickly here because these people would dump like the land was going up and down in value of the speculative market. People were like coming with a shitload of money, buying all this land, and then it'd be worthless in two months and they'd be broke. Yeah. And then someone else who got land when it was nothing because their grandfather owned it and now they have it. If they're rich, for some reason, it's it's a disaster.

So land and housing costs ended up going down and down and down after a while and. Many of the people who ended up purchasing here were employees of the Norfolk and Western Railway Rühle Railway Company, and that was kind of this is the time when I guess Venton had a reputation as like a blue collar town, as they call it, a working man's town around there, like you people lived here and there. But that's kind of fewer like a rail guy or like an iron worker or something.

He lived in Venton, like Pittsburgh, the size of Pittsburgh, Virginia. We got miniature Pittsburgh without all the fucking bridges. No, they don't have individual bridges there, which is good. So it's kind of changed.

This change comes slow in this area. Yeah. By the way, over to Virginia, actually, in certain places, Virginia is not like it's not behind at all. Virginia, when you think of Virginia, like there's the rural areas and then the cities are like cooking, like there's stuff going on there.

They should make West Virginia change their name. That's what they really do. If I'm Virginia, I'm suing. Yeah, I'm just suing. Like, I'm sorry. This is bad. It's bad for my opening us. We're telling people it's for lovers, for Christ's sake. Look at this shit you're producing that wants to fuck with Meimi White hanging around with Kirk doing lines off the back of a toilet. That's not romantic. We can have this people confused.

Yeah. So they figure there's just a bunch of SLU, Bob, with the titties running around here. I'm the sexiest black family, the Boca's and I used to make three thousand dollars a night. Strathpine. Oh, OK. I think of course you did those guys. I think she meant I can sense. Right. Had to make three thousand cents in that strip and that's how the people pay me in pennies. They feed on people snap their fingers, I shoot.

If that's how they send them to me I get solid copper dollars. So I got a lot of scars on my forehead from that. People are good aim down here.

I'll tell you when I get these Abraham Lincoln copper dollars, three thousand of them are not. I'm a rich woman.

So in nineteen seventy a lot of industry started coming in. In 1917, the American viscose plant opened near Venton and that was a lot of jobs. Yeah. Yeah. Viscose. That's that sounds disgusting. Terrible named business. I don't care what it is. It sounds like an oil addict as I hear viscose. Right in that. So it sounds like something slimy that's added to something not slimy enough or something edible that just gives heart attacks.

Oh, that might be it. Yeah, it could be. They're making country crack over there. Right before came came we would smear Viscously Labrecque with smear viscose made at the plant. Here's a viscosity of viscose on toast. You never had that toast. We called it back in the day. It's good boy. Purtill, scrap it. He got something else there, boy. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's disgusting. It's awful. Also, Burlington Mills, now known as Precision Fabric's group, was established in nineteen thirty six.

There was a mill here as well that was refurbished and over time, so it became like a real blue collar. You could find a job in a factory type of place. If you had a, you know, graduated from high school or had a GED or something, you can go there and make like a living wage. Right. And yeah. So it's a it was a different time when you could do great work. It's trade work up until the 70s.

People would do they got out a high school, go work at a steel mill and make an adult salary when they were seventy five and a year and they're like eighteen. They were in high school two weeks ago and they're making like like what? People have kids and shit and like a car and vacations. I'm like, what the shit. So I found the Venton Fuel Company is another place that was here, which you obviously want to have a fuel company in town.

That's helpful. That's helpful. So I found some reviews of this place and through varying we'll say there's definitely a difference of opinion on this town are all around it.

So here is one. It's a three star and it's telling us, quote, Vinton is a cute small town in Virginia inside of Roanoke County, the school in Vinton's, William Byrd High, the school in I guess in Vinton is William Byrd High in the middle school, along with two elementary schools. Thanks for the rundown of schools. She's W E Cundiff and Herman L. Horne. All those are the elementary schools. Venton doesn't have much, but there is still stuff to do.

It's a very friendly area and has a bunch of cute festivals and good places to eat all the cute. You know, we're going to talk about the cute festivals. Here's one. They don't they don't quite agree. No. Two stars, quote, outdated and snobby, very little to do and very few opportunities. Most of the people here are also incredibly small minded. OK, and then I found a one star. This person really doesn't like this fucking place.

This is this this is I think I wrote this from a small town, one star quote.

Streets are very littered, homeowners have no obligation to keep property up, taxes are over the top, no quiet zones in the library, panhandlers at the shopping center, trash cans left on the street. Oh, is this like this like series of haikus? What the fuck are we doing? Trash cans left on the street all week long. All week long. Jimmy they're leaving them out there. Can you believe it? A trash can on the street.

Trash doesn't belong away. No, it's not a way to hide it. You got out of the trash, man. Come. You had to bring it three feet into the bins that person would really love. In a way, it sounds like they're about to start one felony here.

Also, I would say trash cans left on the street all week long. Water bills very unfair to single person water bills, everything from no quiet zones in the library to the water bills are unfair. This person's really studied this.

What is he talking about? I know every library flowchart. The whole library is a quiet zone. Apparently not. Now, apparently, it's a marching band walking through. Apparently now most libraries are seventy five percent homeless masturbatory centers and then twenty five percent quiet zone. And they're saying this one is one hundred percent homeless masturbatory. So it's different, I guess. I don't know. Virginia is for lovers in our hotels are all full, so we just let them stop in the library.

Now, Virginia is for lovers with the libraries for Gerkin.

That's how it goes now. And OK, On-street parking on very narrow streets. That's ridiculous. This town is going downhill. Property values are not so good. Leaving, leaving is hard. Once it was a nice town. And so apparently it's gone to real shit. It's fallen apart. That was twenty nineteen. That was the most recent of the review. That's that's all your complaints. That's the complaints that the south side of Chicago, like Virginia Council tell you what I don't know yet.

Go to some places that are tough. Go to like, you know, let's see. We're fucking violence is how like Brazil or something like that stuff going on. I'm just thinking about as well a tougher area of the US. Oh, just a tougher than that. Yeah. So this town has steadily increased population from nineteen sixty to nineteen eighty. It basically tripled in population. So it's somehow I guess suburban times. Some people are leaving cities in the sixties.

People right now population eight thousand sixty nine people. So not a big town, not a small little tiny tiny town, just kind of right in the middle up five percent since nineteen ninety male females about right. And kind of normal median age is just about right. It's about thirty eight, but there is a shitload of old people here. There is a lot way more. Seventy five to eighty four year old people and twice the amount of eighty five and over people as normal.

So it is just they just like me to make a life for themselves and they don't want to leave or I move in. I think no I think this is they're not leaving. This is old people that are staying and there's a bunch of kids there too, that kind of balance it out. Young people and old people like, look, we've had this before. I don't know if the elderly people are having the babies. Yeah. If they are Virginias definitely for lovers bunch.

It's a bunch of Jack Nicholson from as good as it gets that just don't like change. Yeah, that's probably probably true this year. So it's about fifty fifty on the married like usual. Most of the stats are pretty and normal to small towns. There's more single people with children. Other than that though, it's pretty normal. There's a higher divorce rate for some reason here. Race to this town. Eighty five percent white, six percent black, which is about half the normal in the country.

What do we have here? Zero point oh no. Four point four percent Asian. Yeah, it's almost the average. And then two point seven percent Hispanic, which is pretty low. It's normally seventeen and a half percent very low, especially if you live in Phoenix.

You're like, huh, that's weird. Not a not a single filiberto.

No. Where are you. Excuse me. Where is your filiberto, which is a little like kind of a stand.

It's clearly just a it's a money laundering. It's like that's got to be it's with delicious burritos. Unbelievable. Broich just little like hot that you that they have five million of in Phoenix and you dry either drive up or walk up to the window and you can sit at a table outside whatever you're equipped with. Yeah. A couple of a car, a couple of them have chairs and they all and anyone that you can go inside, they all have that bubbler thing going like different different fluorescent red, white and a brown and a brown and like a pale pink kind like is that like watermelon semen in that that's disgusting and cloudy.

And if you do happen to go inside and get food and sit down, you will not see a soul until you leave and then another person will go through the drive thru. How do you stay open? I don't know. No business. We're not there at 3:00 in the morning. That's what a drunk people are. All three in the morning wines to the fucking head. And trust me, I've been there three in the morning and dinner rushes three to five a.m..

Pretty much, yeah. No, it is seriously like two a.m. like Phoenix. The bars closer to two a.m. to buy. 15, you can't get a car is not a burrito in this town. You'll be on line for forty five minutes. It's a mess, dude. So. Thirty nine percent religious in this town, which is actually low for the south and just for kind of small towns in general, it's 13 percent. Baptist Baptists are the Catholics of the South.

You're going to get more of those few Methodists in there, a couple of Catholics, a Lutheran here and there, zero point zero percent Jewish. So none of that happening here, zero point zero percent Islam as well. And nothing going on there. Christian quilt. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a quilt of similar denominations, put it that way. So Jesus tapestry, it's a it's a virtual tapestry of Jesus. So this town or in this county last election.

Thirty three percent Democrat. Sixty one percent Republican, five percent independent unemployment rate here. While we don't know now, but before you know, when things in January of this year it was two point six percent household incomes a little bit low. Normally it's about almost fifty eight thousand in the rest of the country. Here, it's forty four thousand three hundred eighty nine dollars, a little bit low, but cost of living isn't very high either. So it kind of makes up for it.

Cost of living in Venton. One hundred is an average regular PA. Here it is. Eighty eight, but the housing is a seventy. Great. So it's pretty low. Median home cost one hundred and sixty three thousand two hundred bucks. Oh yes it's in. Most of the houses are between one hundred and two hundred thousand dollars and like we'll see here, you can get a decent house here. You know what if we've convinced you, damn it, you have no other choice.

You have to see exactly why Virginia is for lovers. Get over.

We have for you the event in Virginia real estate report, the average two bedroom rental in this joint here. It's about seven hundred seventy bucks a month, which is well below the national average. That's awesome. That's great. It's almost thirteen hundred nationally, so that's really good. Renting might be the way to go, but I found some houses here. I found a two bedroom, one bath, but it's a twelve hundred sixty eight square foot house and it's a little murder.

I'm not going to lie to you. It's a little I would expect if you were looking through it, like if a real estate agent took you there and she was like, no one's been here in a while and crack the door and it creaked open, there would be bodies or at least chalk outlines of our bodies once work. But for seventy thousand nine hundred bucks, you do what you got. I'll drag them out. Say either do that, you can wash off the shock.

You know what I'm saying? I found a three bedroom, two bath, seventeen hundred eight square foot house. It's really nice. Has an in ground pool. Yeah. The whole deal. Like a nice family house. It's about one hundred sixty three thousand five hundred bucks like exactly at the average of it. So that's your average home. That's awesome. It's not too bad at all. Then let's say you want to stretch out a little. Maybe you own all the viscose in town hall.

Yeah, we've been distributing it. I have a four bedroom, four bath tee ball for everybody. Oh yes, that's right. Twenty five hundred and fifty two square foot house. Very nice open big old porch out front on it. One and a half acres. Yeah. Three hundred fifteen thousand. Oh my God. And it's like beautiful inside this thing. It's really nice. Yeah. You can get a real nice place here for a real reasonable price compared to the rest of the country.

And I'll get you a flophouse in Phoenix. Oh yeah. You're getting garbage. It's either in the in Phoenix proper and it's a piece of shit.

It's in a neighborhood where you're like, those are gunshots, right. That's and then I heard screaming after the gun, not just distant gunshots. Somebody said, call nine one. It's like my old neighborhood that I lived. It was down the street from a methadone clinic. And it was just it was fucking wild. Oh, boy. I'm telling you, there was something else. It is a nice place. The house wasn't bad, but that wasn't the point where it was.

It was like, why is this house here? Zazz wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible. Is it a nice little house? Yeah. And it was for some reason a fucking awful area, some very, very scary. So but this year, I don't know. Now, three fifteen though. That's that's really good. That's too bad. An acre and a half. Yeah. That's the thing. Like the house itself is nice but then an acre and a half he could stretch out.

You don't have to see your neighbors. That's beautiful. That's a selling point for me, right.

Absolutely. It's nice things to do here. Oh, boy. I found the Vinton Fall Festival. Oh, yeah. Oh, we know it. This has been going on since two thousand one. And I'll tell you, they updated a little bit in twenty nineteen, but normally it's activities throughout the day. They include a five K run of a five K run. That's a fun. No one to do that. Just OK, I get that you're raising money.

Yeah. Why don't we all just go, can we all just pitch in five bucks and then we'll do something else. You know, I'll have to fucking run. Are we going through this motion. We're just doing it to give money to these people. You know, we were going to pay twenty five dollars and run. Let's pay five dollars, not run. And everybody pulls twenty bucks and we get a pizza party. That's it. That's do that and we'll throw these people a pizza party.

They probably appreciate it more than watching us run. It sounds terrible having like. That sounds terrible. I did one of those in Texas, and we. Yeah, and it was awful. Yeah, a bunch of fifty five year old guys dropped dead of heart attacks along the way. We don't need that shit, Ray. They have Crafter's and a business showcase concession and food vendors, agricultural judging. Oh, they'll judge your agricultural like that in your fields are awful.

Sir. Sir, call this lettuce and they can't get no good here. Can't I spit on your car and they throw it to the ground. Your asparagus makes me want to throw up stomping your pumpkins.

You're rutabagas can suck my dick. You suck lots of children's activities like judging things, carriage rides, a doggie dress up contest. No, I mean I'm good with a dog parade. Let's do that. I dress up. They're all miserable. Are they cute? Let's torture a bunch of animals for no reason. Oh, he's a sailor. This is for charity. Can we just chip in on this too? What if we chip in to have you not do this to your fucking boy?

And I'm to tell you what I will we'll give you all the money from the five guy if you don't do this to your animal here.

Now, they teamed up in twenty nineteen with the Big Lick October fest, which seems like these two would not go together. But they do now. They have a shitload of beer and bands and all sorts of other stuff too mixed in with big lick. With a doggy dress up. Yeah. Big lick. October fest. Oh like a lick of a guitar. Yeah. And then. Yeah I think so.

Or it's lovers so get over it. Yeah. No idea at this point. They also have stilt walkers. Oh no. I would love to see one of those guys fall. I'm sorry. I know that's mean but that's one of those things where life isn't fall. Is it me Monifa. You just want to see it just because it's like your attempt in gravity.

I didn't do this. I didn't prop you right. Thirty feet off the goddamn ground and they look like anything out of the way. I could follow that. Why are they doing this. They don't look like happy. No, they don't look like they're having a good time doing it.

You know, these people stole my friend's crutches and stood on the handle part of it and walked on those and fell on my ass. And that hurt. Yeah. I want to see a guy fucking fifteen feet up for fifteen.

Shit. They're higher than that a lot of times. Yeah, that's dangerous. That's horrifying. So there's that Lindsey see German music by the Wanders Man band know as well as classic bluegrass by wound tight. One word wound tight.

All right. My contact said Southern and of course German style beer alongside dozens of amazing vendors and exhibiters games and more with the Venton Fall Festival. Oh boy. It's going to be a kids zone. Kids, everyone's shitfaced now. You got to stay in the zone. This used to be a lot for you, but now it's now it's mainly this zone where we're going to keep you here for the on the farmer's stage market wanders plays from 11:00 to noon.

She's that's a tough it's a rough set wound tight, comes on twelve to one forty five. And they do it again.

Two sets each two sets each from eleven to for this last Good Christ playing a matinee show.

Yeah. And then I found the Virginia Steak Festival which is exactly what it sounds like. Right. It sounds awesome. Yeah. It's just a festival. You pay like forty bucks to get in or something and then you just eat steak like a fucking monster walk around. It's just vendors having steak in different ways and a steak sandwich and slices a steak like this. And it's just me.

Nobody tell my doctor, oh I want that so bad. I would love a steak festival that sounds guys read that. I'm like steak. First of all, it's probably not that. And then I looked at him like, oh my God, it's exactly what I hoped it was. It's just it's not like a vampire vessel and there's not even bands. It's just steak. They're just not going to be too full to listen to music. They're going to be dancing a lot at stake in your stomach.

I'll tell you what, boy, you're going to I don't want you to throw up that horseshit music. It's all this steak.

You like it. Start bouncing. You can be peukan steak all over the place. We ain't got that kind of clean material, so we can't do it now. Crime rate in this town. What we're interested in, of course, the property crime is a little bit high. Maybe it's like maybe ten percent over, but nothing crazy in the realm of normal. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime.

It's about twenty percent under the National Act. Right. So that's not bad. A lot of these small towns, we kind of see like more property crime, less violent crime, but there has been some violent crime. And speaking of that, let's talk about a murder.

All right, let's do this because, wow, is this even I got to tell you here, this is wild. Like I said, this is one that I'm like, oh, cool, straightforward. Nope. This is fucking insane. Great. So buckle up, everybody. Let's do this shit. Go back in time. Time machine time, Jimmy. Let's do it. We're going all the way back to nineteen ninety four. Oh yeah. Jimmy's like that's a good time for me.

It was good getting caught stealing video games just. Yeah. Listening to. What do you listening to that was. Me skipping that was up Jesus, there was probably a lot of music until, right, that a lot of boys to men that you listen, if you were listening to whatever it was on the whatever was on the radio, but people were you into bone thugs was playing.

I would I what I liked I looked up the songs from that just to see like ninety four and the top songs are like fucking ace of Base and really all you have to sign was big.

Yeah. I guess I heard that on that. I like that voice to man the song. Yeah. Yeah.

I love Devo was around then. That was they were done by the way. Are they done. Yeah that's it was like 91 shit. Right. It's like ninety one but after that they get it.

When they started to fall off that's when they got those ABC kids in. Remember those the little boys that were basically them. Yeah. Yeah. Now I guess I was like ninety those really came around and I don't even know what I would have been, I probably would have been any Florida and stuff started of in hip hop at this time.

Definitely. And this was after Rohtang and Nas first album came out and Biggie's first album just came.

Metallica just came out in ninety four. Black came in ninety. Was it ninety. Black was because I was in nineteen ninety one was no black album.

Really. Yeah. Yeah you were lost. How much, how many drugs did you do during this time. You were like eleven, thirteen years old.

Well how many kind of drugs were you doing. Listen this is just doing drugs. Yeah. But this is shortly after also this is just a three year gap between a really horrible experience and vidro. So this might be cloudy. Yeah, my brain was certainly trying to compress memories at this point. Well, it is because you just named a bunch of things that happened in nineteen ninety one. Right. Three years before this. And you were like, yeah, that's ninety four.

Right. You got like stuck in a nine timeline's fucked around. We know it's wrong from ninety one to like ninety five ish. It was fucked. It's pretty bad. It's pretty ugly. Are you. For what year is it right now.

I mean as a twenty like 2012 somewhere. Oh wow. That's good. And that's honest. Like I will look at things that I did I want to buy or whatever and it's like came out in 2012 and I'm like, oh that's not so. Holy shit, that's damn near ten years old. I don't want that. Nothing that has to do with trauma as much as you're just getting old now. And so I think it's less to do with drama and more to deal with.

Whoa boy how old my fuck. What year is this. Jesus Jesus sucks. I just saw show the other day. The guy's like I'm pushing 40 and I was like old fuck Jesus. Oh no, God damn it. Six months away. So am I happy to. That's God awful. He's just going on. You looked in the mirror. Oh, we're right back at me. My hair go what's this in my shirt. Oh, there's my hair.

I found it on my back. Those glasses are awfully thick. Sorry. Fuck that. So this murder here, we're going back in time to nineteen ninety four, as we've explained. Let's talk about the Hodges family. Okay. All right. Let's talk about this family, kind of your typical all-American family and this little all-American little town. Just one of those deals. William Blaine Hodges is the husband and father. Everybody calls him Blaine. That's no, you never hear a William.

That's just, you know, when you see it printed. So Blaine Hodges, he's forty one years old in nineteen ninety four. He's married to a lady named Teresa and she is thirty seven years old and a boy, very young, couple of years younger. And they have two daughters as well. And are their names are Winter, who is eleven years old, and Anna was spelled with an H on the end and H is three years old at the time.

So that nice little family living in a nice little suburb and I'm sure seeming to have a decent life that they're happy with for the most part. Yeah, there's a couple of pick ups that we'll talk about now.

There they meet a man and they befriend the man who ends up kind of hanging out and being like a family friend. OK, this guy is Blaine met him in high school, not as a friend. Blaine was on the track team. He was like one of the stars of the track team. And one of his coaches is he ends up being tight with later on and he hangs out with the family. And this is a guy named Earl Conrade Bramblett.

OK, Earl Brown Bramblett. He's older. Of course, he's a coach. So, yeah, they met. They met through the coaching process and they became friends, basically. Now, Earl Earl is kind of had an interesting life. His family moved around a lot. His dad was an alcoholic. Yeah. So they were kind of nomadic. And you know how it goes on reliable. Yeah. Lose his job, moved to another town to get another job.

You know, you go to a lot of elementary schools. Yeah, I've seen it a few times. I've been there. I went to a lot of schools, so it was his. But the interesting part of it is for him, the effect it had on him was that it made him very quick to make friends and shit like that. Sure, there's certain things you pick up as you go to different places. No new kid. Yeah, he picked up being funny.

And that's that's the only reason I have a sense of humor is I think because, like, you have to because what else do you do if you either start punching people or be funny, you know. So, you know, whatever he's he changed schools all the time, and he was also a very good athlete, Earl, which would also help in school if somebody you could not know them and you're like, oh, he's good at kickball and he's your buddy now, right.

Because he's good at kickball or he's good at anything and we want him on our team. Exactly. So you want to hang out with him. So, you know, friends, he you know, he can makes friends in high school. He's not a guy who doesn't have friends. He's not like a loner or anything like that. He has a bunch of friends. He stays in touch with people from high school. And later on he can maintain relationships and stuff.

So, you know, it's not like anybody that you'd be like, oh, red flags here. Sociales figuring it out. Yeah, he's fine, you know. I mean, he's he's absolutely fine. He he does have problems, obviously, because of his family being poor and shit like that and kind of a little bit of a mess. He ends up dropping out of college in California. He's born in South Carolina. His family moves all over the country, you know, after work and things like that.

And they end up in California where he goes to college, but he drops out and ends up moving to Roanoke, Virginia. And that's when he, I guess, his father had moved there. And his brother, he wanted to be closer to them. He takes a job in his father's silk screen printing business, which he owns one of those. And if you're decent at that, you can make good money doing that. That's you know, the people overcharge like crazy to make T-shirts and then print them.

Trust us. We know. Yeah, you buy shit on Threadless. You know, they're great and they're good with customer service and shit. That's why we use them. But we're not getting a whole lot of that. You know, it seems like that's that's not a crazy profit. No, really not at all. It's it's a volume game. Threadless silkscreened. Yeah, exactly. They probably do. But they we don't care because they they take care of you guys and that's what matters.

You get like a wrong size or like keep that one and we'll send you the correct one. You get a blanket as a family you've never seen before. Don't worry, we've seen that you're the right one. Yeah. And they will. And you can keep the one with the family too and draw Hitler mustaches on him if you want. I don't know. Hang on to the fucking blanket. See that ten month old little girl draw a nice Hitler mustache right there.

Yeah, that's it's yours now. Who cares? It's incredible what it is. That's the greatest thing ever about them. No matter what you get, if it doesn't match your order, get you will give the right one and you get to keep the weird shit that that's a surprise.

If you keep it in, you draw Hitler mustache on it. That's how it works. Put a cigar in the dog's mouth is perfect.

My cousin, he's always do that to a shaman. Shaman packages bear.

Oh there, there. He just tried to make a Hitler mustache on him. He's a Hitler. Better now because he's like he looked like he was like saying something but he looks sweet. But if you put a Hitler mustache on me look sinister side, everything does everything, you might as well be flipping a nickel and holding on to a toothpick. It's like now he's evil. It's hilarious that you can make anything evil. A baby, a shaman, bear six million victims in his wake.

That's it right there.

It's your brain connects it immediately and you're like a bad person. So keep that in mind. Michael Jordan. Well, not even he could even he stop with that after a while. He's like that. But now I'm just known as the Hitler mustache guy who has good sneakers and used to play basketball, you know, awful shit. I got to I change that image around again. This is not great by anybody.

That's a bad grooming technique in the first mustache. Dumb as shit. Yeah. It serves very little purpose that I could practicality zero. The practicality of it is strange. And on top of like your lip is called still, but you have this thing in the middle.

You've got nineteen hairs right in the middle of your face.

I always figured it was for like if you had like a deep field on the left field and the left like in there. Yeah. Maybe they covered it up there. That thing's kind of cool. That's not a bad thing. Right. Who knows if it in a certain time period that was considered. Yeah. Like some kind of extra chromosome because you've got that thing. Yeah. It means you like cock or something like obviously we haven't fucked that gene out of it so yeah.

I'll cover it up with a Hitler mustache. The left hand. Yeah. Yeah. Cover your lip. Can not with what. I don't know, grow a Hitler mustache. Have some fucking some balls. What's wrong with you.

Jay Leno didn't fucking grow a beard. Then imagine him doing a monologue. Hey, everybody came down with a Hitler mustache. How hilarious would that be? President Clinton tonight? You know, maybe I laugh. It is a fucking joke sign. Like Monica Lewinsky was in the White House with President Clinton this day. Leno only lives in the eighties and nineties. He passed away in twenty six. He was in one of the buildings in 9/11. I feel like I know he was around forever, but like as a yeah.

As anything relevant, he was way not relevant before that, but he was really gone from 2002 to.

Present day, I mean, whenever they canceled the show, it was just a weekend at Bernie's. That's I think it was, yeah, they were like Hitler mustache. That'll be hilarious. Mustache on him and marionette him. He'll be fine. He'll be fine. We'll keep his stuff and we're going to have to make president jokes. That's fine. I don't care. So his father has a silk screening business and and Earl is very good at it.

He's got like a really good aptitude for it. I guess there's ways to be better at it than other people. I don't know how it works, so I'm not sure. I'm sure there's ways some people are better, some people are worse. But he ends up doing really quality work that his dad's like, holy shit, you're like you're my star guy here. I want you to stick around.

But Earl, Earl doesn't like to stay at jobs long. Earl likes to get up and go as people who roam as kids tend to be uncomfortable. I we've lived in this house for like two years now. I want to move. I love this house. I need, like, my my body's telling me to move even though my brain's like, why are you doing that? But like inside, I'm like, just pack your shit up and go.

We need to all move this. We're getting a new place and we're going somewhere. Why? This is perfect.

We're living opposite lives at the moment because as a kid, I was in a house for like thirteen years ago. Then we moved in. I was in another one for like twelve years. Oh, wow. And so my my fucking life is is today. I moved out of the White House. We moved into an apartment. I was there for eleven months and I'm in a house that the lease is almost up.

So yeah, I got to get transferred. Yeah. Whereas I'm like, yeah. Cool. Sounds great.

Sounds awesome. Block that I don't want to talk to mover's again. Oh it's the worst.

So Earl Earl ends up he quits this job with his dad just because he wants to do different stuff and he takes a job as an assistant coach at a local high school which is where he meets Blaine Hodges. Yeah, that's how that goes here. He meets Hodges and they are there to, I think, two years. He's his coach, basically. And after that, he ends up Earl ends up going back to his father's business because his father gets sick.

Yeah. So he starts running it and then his father dies and he takes over the family business of the silk screening. So he's he hangs out with the Hodges forever. Basically, they stay in touch after after Blaine graduates from high school and their friends. And as they go on, they're kind of always in each other's lives. And by nineteen ninety four, we'll see. They're kind of hanging out Earles kind of living there half the time. What the fuck.

It's weird because he's, he's, he's like a transient on purpose. Yeah. Like he'll have money but he's like I want to go, I'm going to sleep in a trailer in somebody's yard. Like it's he's just a weird guy. He likes to have he likes to have freedom, like he's almost like, like an Easy Rider character, like he likes to have these likes that freedom man. He's one of those guys just like the hit the open road mans don't want to be tied down is it.

What is that. I don't know. Got to be psychological. Right, because everybody wants somebody right. I guess nobody wants to just be single forever and do whatever they want. No, some some people that sounded. Yeah. Somebody just wants to just like live with their own free will, you know. But like some people had like that transient thing where if he wanted somebody, it would be like somebody to travel with me to see the open road with me, man and share the sunset.

The road dog.

Yeah, I feel like that's more his speed.

But anyway, Blaine ends up like I said, they're buddies and and they become friends. The business does well for all the screen printing business. He ends up meeting a young woman and they fall in love and they get married. You look at that several and having a normal life here. Right now, he owns the family business. He inherited the family business. He's married. They end up having two kids, two boys, Mike and Doug. He doesn't even name them after himself.

Solid move and goes real simple with them. Yeah, that one's Mike. That one's one syllable names for these things. I don't have a good memory right now. I'll tell you why I'm a nice guy, but don't have in my memory ain't so sharp now. Everything is fine except for his need to move around. Yeah. When once you get married and like you have kids, even the someone who you wanted who you guys wanted to travel together once you have kids, a lot of times one of those people doesn't want to do that anymore.

Like this is hard. I want to stay in one place. I want a stable environment for my children. You know, I don't want to go, like, hop in a van and see the country. That's not really what we're doing. Not there anymore. Yeah, this is ridiculous. Now, it's one thing to do that shit when you're twenty one, but when you got two kids, it's a different story. So they end up drifting apart and eventually divorcing because Earl just he wasn't bad, he just didn't want to be tied down.

Yeah. So you know, I wasn't mean to his family or anything like that. So he ends up kind of returning to his former lifestyle of drifting and drifting and sleeping wherever and working. He's always working. That's if he's not lazy, paying his own way, paying his own way. He's not an alcoholic either. He's not a guy. He's just like a drunken guy who we find the. He was passed out behind the store. That's not him, he's just flaky, he's flaky, and there's just something about him where you're like, what's up with this guy?

Yeah, you know, he's a nice guy and everything like that. But there's something he's hiding or something. Lipkin in about him, something. He's got a lip. Kanyon with it. He's hiding it with that mustache. I see it in there. I see it. He's got lint and shit beneath it. I could tell. So they he does that, which is I mean, it's not like the guy's going out fucking live in a rock star lifestyle anyway.

What does he think he is here? Yeah, he's going back to running the printing business, which is in a rundown part of the rundown part of Roanoke. He's got a, you know, a rental property that's kind of shitty that he's staying in and like, hey, what are you doing?

He's just he's just fine with it. I need this lifestyle. I just need to make shirts and then do it. I want it now. Like, he's doing fucking relax as a dad, though. You can't do that anymore. No, that's what I mean.

He just having fun having a milk carton as your nightstand, you know, or milk crate, not a carton.

Doesn't hold much stuff. Half gallon sitting there, sitting there. I'll set something on top of it and I put it around it like a neck. Other than that, it's just don't hold much.

At some point you got to get past that and at least have some IKEA next to you, you know what I mean? Something that you put together poorly of a piece of land that you can say, I worked my whole life for this piece of shit, one leg backwards on it.

But you remember putting it together. So it's OK. You remember putting that leg on backwards. But no, it's not him. And he's everybody says he keeps in touch with his kids. He's not like a deadbeat dad, like he pays child support, send his ex-wife money for the kids. He does his thing like his sons, never complain about him. That he abandoned us or anything like that is just kind of doing his own thing. Now, in the store, he would hire a lot of the teenagers in the neighborhood to run errands and do small jobs, you know, at the print shop for a few bucks.

Deliver this over here. I'll give you five bucks and shit like that. And it's kind of back in the day. And a lot of times it's teenagers make a few bucks like that and it's accounts for them. So they want to do it. And it's, you know, it works out for everybody. The parents are OK with it because it's a teenager trying to get a job. Nobody's upset with that. He knew a lot of the older teens, 15 and 16 year olds, are the ones that would kind of run the errands there.

He is known to have given alcohol to a couple of them, which is still we're talking we're talking eighties. Yeah.

You know, I mean, bordering on we're starting to get. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. We're still in the realm of normal. Yeah. We're still in and Lip Canyon territory. No one's grown a Hitler mustache quite yet. There's a couple there's a couple steps from here to how drunk are you. Can I put this in your mouth. There's stubble and getting his lip. Kanyon right now it's getting untrustworthy. Man's got stubble in his lip.

Kanyon Earle, he closes his printing shop at one point and was working on, like, kind of a job by job basis for a bunch of companies. Like, he had a bunch of accounts that he made t shirts for and kind of closed his shop to the public and just kind of made orders basically for companies. And that's what he was doing, which gave him more freedom to be a nomad and wander. Yeah. As long as he filled his order and does his work, then he's got three days to piss off, whereas otherwise he's got to be at the shop all day long.

Nobody wants that. Right. And that's that's terrible here. But he also he made good money when he did the silk screening at a shop and he had things but he didn't really care about money as long as he had enough money to survive. That's all he really gave a shit about, which is a weird thing, envious of anybody.

That is that great attitude right now, having that attitude like it's all going to work out. I mean, I, I got money in my pocket right now. Tomorrow I'll get more.

I'm not that confident, man. No, I'm terrified that the next dollar I make is the last oh the last one I'll ever make. And someone will steal it right on top of that. I won't even get to spend it or save it or anything. This guy's just like, well I mean more where that came from, how it's wild. So he would do it. I'd kind of he'd travel, he'd just go out west for a while and come back and do shit.

He'd visit his sisters and other states. Yeah, it's kind of close to one sister in Indiana, I believe. And he thought this is the way to live and make enough money to go do what I want. I come back, I make some more shirts and make some more money. This beats the shit out of forty hours a week.

He's right. Oh it's a he has two kids. Is that's the issue. That's a problem. If he has no kids, he's a great lifestyle. Awesome. Fine. You know, I want it so bad. That's what I'm saying. That sounds wonderful. But you know, I don't know. He's just wandering. I don't know.

This looks good. It sounds great. He's just the casual James. I lay in bed at night and when I lay down to go to sleep, I don't fall asleep for two and a half, three hours because I'm sitting there anxiety riddled. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thinking about how one day I'm going to die and what, what are my kids going to do. And I'm thirty nine.

They'll be tired by then but yeah. My therapist. It's a problem. I think that's but that's that's normal also. My job is up. I can't fucking breathe.

I'm a mess. Yeah, that's not good. I'm losing my mind. You can. I recommended marijuana to you, Jimmy.

I'm telling you, just like that, literally, as I gave you a so-called 10 milligram edible at night, you would fucking fall asleep. Laughing I'm so close. You'd be like, oh my God, I fell asleep watching Reno nine one one. I think I might have peed the bed, but it's OK.

It's like TV watched all of it and it's tremendous. The whole thing I can remember so back and watch some of those. Trust me, I want it. I genuinely want help you. I'm I'm in such bad shape that it's getting worse thing. That's what we all do that shit because we're the day is the day that when you're sitting there it's like, OK, well now I'm alone with my thoughts. Right. That's why I go until I can't keep my eyes open for a second longer.

That's the other way to do it. You have to operate like a toddler to see a toddler like laying down. And it looks like a chalk outline that they just feel like it's like going to sleep or dead kid just slept where he fell. They just played until they're like there's like a toy like two inches from his hand where it fell out, you know, that's how I operate. I just like the little doll next to, like a cabinet.

Yeah. How did you even do that? I don't know how they do it. I want that life. I, I genuinely need it. And I'm the life of a toddler. I'm going to have to talk to my therapist. I got to get on something. I just I'm terrified. I'm terrified of drugs, man. I know.

But I got to get on something where and I've had the same thing because anxiety, as you know, is, oh, my God. Oh, a lot for me, too. So but I've always and we all have these things. Well, what's that going to do to you? What if I put me on something? Is that good? How's that going to change my personality? We're comedians.

I don't like being numb. That's not my problem. That's why I drink because I don't get numb. When I drink, I get fucking I process things. It slows down my brain. I can think, yeah, that's what I and we does that too. But I just different. Yeah. Yeah I that's crazy. I got to get into something that. Yeah. You need to do so I got to get into a mood stabilizer I do think is that I'm like well what's going to happen then.

Am I going to be like calm. Well then where the fuck is that going to lead me comedically. Right. Like that's what am I going to do then. That's my my. Yeah. Like, I make money. That's how I make money. You've seen my act. It's pretty angry. It's pretty fucking angry. It's not. It's not. If I was just like I don't know, like it wouldn't be the same. I don't know how I would operate such a pretty good time to this place.

It's pretty cool. Oh all right. I'm so happy. Are you happy? What do you mean that looks delicious. No, I mean, that's a great way to live. But if you if being sick is your business, that's the fucking problem. And being sick is our business for my sake is fucking growing. And that's the thing you need to figure that. Listen, if my if my bank account was growing at the same rate as my sickness, yeah.

I'd be fine. If you like, counteract counteractive, keep going. How far you can go get sick before we fucking retire, balance it out a little bit and retire sick.

So you want to retire and then we'll fix it and then we'll fix it once I'm retired. That's fucking perfect. So. All right.

Er well Earl is wandering the country. Yeah. Blame living great. Living his dream. Yeah. Blaine is at home and he meets a girl that he's serious about his future wife Theresa on it and Theresa Fulker is her name and they are so close to Earl that Blaine even asked Vitz are all to the wedding. Earl comes to the wedding, he's a family friend. And from then on, after the wedding, Earl was kind of like, I don't like Uncle Earl around the house.

He was kind of around there. He helped Blaine out with stuff. At one point they paint the house and, you know, Earl says, well, I'll paint the bottom part if you'll get the top part, because I don't like heights.

And so that's kind of like that. Like he's going to help out, kind of he stays over sometimes and he's Uncle Earl basically just hanging out with everybody there. And, you know, he's a he has a key to the house and everything. Like he can come and go as he pleases as just a friend that we uncle earlier. He comes and goes and he stays there sometimes. So it's kind of when he's in town, you know, because he doesn't live in town all the time.

So Earl was, you know, was there for him and saw when the daughter was born winter.

And then when their other daughter was born, he was, you know, other weird shit, too, just like popping in.

How y'all doing that? I could never give anybody. I'll make him a baby. Yeah. Why is your leg propped up on the counter while you're tugging?

What are we doing that there's not even anybody here? Just go to your room. Are you looking at the broccoli? What's wrong with you? You're just focused on it with a steady, steady hand. Like you're not even like going for results now. It's like you're just maintainance doing a weird thing to do. You're idling. We're idling three thousand RPN here. You're just idling. I don't know what is in your belly button. This is bizarre.

That's strange.

And that you put them OK. Now that's that's I've heard of that. At least it's Groser but I've heard of it. Least say no, I get it. So Earl is doing his thing, they're doing their thing, Blaine ends up working at the Vinton post office. He's a window clerk at the post office and mailed the letter. That's who you talk to. Theresa stayed home with the kids. She's a homemaker. Two little girls, a lot of shit going on in their lives.

Yeah. Tyreese is known as a fantastic mother, very much into her little girls and all that sort of shit. And she likes to bake cookies and, you know, they watch Disney movies and all that shit. They're very much a happy little family. Right, Earl here, Earl. He likes he spends time almost. It's almost seems like these kids, he spends time with them because everybody thinks he feels guilty about his own kids, like he didn't spend that much time with his kids.

So these are like kind of his proxy kids, like up for time lost. Yeah. And his a subconscious thing that people do and people do do that. They're like, well, I'll be nice to these kids since I was shooting them. Right. A lot of times you'll get grandparents that are like that. Well, they're like well treated you like shit. But I'll be real nice to your kids. Thanks. Middletown's with all the people I grew up with.

The belt. Yeah. These are not who raised me. These are old people trying to get into heaven. But it is they're old people trying to get into heaven. They're not the parents.

I grew up with my ex-wife, stepfather. It was a monster to his children and he cared. He he tells my kids that their dad is he says horrible things about me to my children and then gives them toys and shit and gives them nice things to make them like him better.

I mean, there's just there's a strategy and they're a very strange man, a strange guy. I would I would watch his fingers around the kids. Let's just put it that way. It's not that I like that. Yeah. I don't like that at all. Your dad's a piece of shit. Here's a toy is like that's grooming. Don't trust your parents, but I'll buy you something that sounds like crumbing to me. Don't trust them. Trust me.

Yeah. Don't tell them what I tell you and you'll get toys. That's grooming. That is grooming about. That's horrible. And I've never done I got to call the guy. I think that this is hilarious. I know. I know. I have to report. This is very disturbing.

So, yeah, Earl lived in a travel trailer outside one of the businesses where he worked because also when he stopped doing kind of orders for the screen printing, he didn't do like piecework at screen printing places that would hire him because they knew he was really good at it. So if they needed somebody to do a big order that was complicated and multicolored and layered and all that shit and do it well, you could hire him. And, you know, it's not going to get fucked up, basically.

So Earl ends up selling that trailer at some point and paid Blaen to help him deliver it down to North Carolina. They do shit together, these guys. Earl then spends kind of more time at the Hodges. He stays there sometimes, but not all the time. Like, he'll he'll kind of he'll go and travel for a few weeks in his truck and he'll come back home, you know, stay with the Hodges for a couple nights and I'll go stay in a motel for three or four nights.

Then he'll kind of he just doesn't have a solid place to call his own. He lives like a like a nineteen sixties Hells Angel. Yeah. I kind of from couch to couch to cheap motel, the cheap motel.

It's either awesome or you fucking terrified of this man. That's what I mean.

He's either living the dream or watch out. And you know, if you ever, you ever see him digging a hole jacket when he leaves one of the other dream or a nightmare, one of the one of the two. So nineteen ninety four comes along and Blaine Hodges gets into some trouble. Yeah. Blaine, we never find out why, why he did this. We don't know if it was what he was into, but he gets in trouble at work for, for stealing from his drawer.

He's still the first time like was he stealing stamps fucking post office. Yeah. No, he steals, he steals money out of the drawer. A little money in there. That's it's not a lot of cash, I wouldn't think, but I don't know. Yeah, it's shipping. People are paying a couple of bucks a pop. Right. I don't know. But he stole money. I guess he got caught once and he paid it back and then he got a suspension, all his stuff.

But they let him stay and then he got caught again. And so he's actually charged federally. Yeah. With embezzlement of postal funds, which is not terrific. And as of nineteen ninety four here, he is sentenced to serve six months in prison for embezzlement of postal funds. He probably would be a lot, right? I mean, I don't even know. I think it's just he did it again and so I think be forty bucks for six months and months.

I think it had to be a lot. I know how much is fucking, you know, a book of stamps worth to somebody. Yeah, it's what I mean, like he had to have been doing like a pretty consistent amount.

Maybe it was maybe he had like he was skimming every night. Maybe that could be it, because I thought you might be right about that shit. So he yeah. It's embezzlement. I mean, six months. He's not going to do six months. I'm sure he'll do two months or something. But he's not exactly a dangerous felon out there. It's a fucking federal crime. But yeah, it's not smart. It's just dumb. That's the the least reward for the.

Risk you can deal here, we're better off robbing a bank. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, you'll have less chance of getting caught and you know, it's just you're better off.

Just open a couple of letters and see if there's a check inside. Yeah, right. Seems like a better odds. The shaky handwriting that looks like a grandma. Right to honey and little Timmy. OK, score. It's going to be something in. There's at least a two dollar bill cheap. That's nothing. Just a card sticker that gets a gift certificate for socks from Kmart sucks.

So yeah, he's set to serve a jail sentence starting in September nineteen ninety four. So this is not great for the family, obviously.

You know, he's number one. He's the one who brings home the money. So what the fuck are they going to do while he's unemployed and be in prison and she has to take care of a three year old and an 11 year old. And this is rough, man. This is going to be hard on a marriage and it's going to be hard on everybody. Hard on the kids. Finally, Friday, August twenty six, nineteen ninety four, Blaine and Theresa Hodges attended an Amway conference.

Oh, jeez. That's how desperate they are for money. They're attending fucking Amway conferences. Jimmy Jesus Christ left there. The conference was in Charlottesville. They left their kids with a relative and go to this Amway concert. And you never know anyone who sold this shit. Yeah. Yeah, I know a guy. I know a guy who did it. He got burnt in an accident at work. He was a glass blower and he got hurt.

Alcohol got burned. No, he never even saw it. He didn't know it was burning until he was burning. Right. Yeah. And it was all he got his legs somehow didn't get his dick at all. I don't know how awesome hole over here completely didn't get his dick and balls.

I don't know if his boxers, whatever his underwear were, he should have been someone. Oh that's what I mean. I don't know what he had on but money. Yeah. So he gets burned. He ends up getting all these skin grafts. I mean I thought he was going to die. It was really, really bad. Comes back, you know what I mean. He's healthy, does well, sells Amway well.

He gets insanely religious and not like because he was always like kind of like a Christian and shit, but he wasn't like now he's like all he'll talk about is Jesus. Well, yeah, if everything's burnt except my dick, whatever did that. I know how higher power he married the you know, I'm not judging anybody, Jimmy. The ugliest woman I've ever fucking see. And he's like a handsome guy this woman is. It's just I'm not even being judgmental.

It's just subjectively he's like an eight and she's like a fucking one. And the third maybe she's like a one point three. Listen, it's not terrific, right? But he loves her. And I was like, good for him. He said, I don't care. She's the only one that does the weird shit he likes.

Maybe maybe the weird shit she loves to do is sell like Amway type shit. She got him in. And so all they would talk about is like if you talk to them, all they would talk about is either Jesus or Amela. Oh, they're trying to sell me things I don't want on both accounts.

So if I want to find if I want to find Jesus, I'll do that on my own. That's more of a that seems personal. Can I ask you this right now? How about this? Yeah. How about that?

You know, I'll find Jesus on my own if I want. But if I want to be involved in a multilevel marketing scheme. Right. Kick me in the nuts because I've lost my fucking mind. I've gone crazy. Knock off shit. Knock off the small shit girl. His whole garage was full of shit and he's like, see? And I'm like, well, what do you do with this now? I got all this stuff, you know what that's worth?

And I'm like, I don't know. Who are you going to sell it to? I mean, nothing to me. Sell it all then tell me what it's worth because they're sitting in the garage. It doesn't look like it's worth much.

It's like pallets of fucking protein powder and a bullshit. I don't know. So anyway, back to hajjis here. Back to them. Blaen picks up the children from the relatives on Saturday. A friend spoke with Blaine on the telephone about five p.m. on Saturday. Later that Saturday, a friend phoned the Hodges residence, but no one answered and the answering machine didn't activate and just kept ringing and ringing and ringing. Yeah, which is strange.

For thirty pm on Sunday, Theresa leaves a phone message with a friend to arrange for the children's carpool on Monday. Got a day care school, all that. So it's August, so it's day care back there. The this was the first day of the school session. So they're trying to get the kids to go. Now, the friend returned the call and talked with Theresa at a number that Theresa had given her. Theresa called her and left a number to call her back, call me here.

And it was a public payphone at a gas station, which is strange.

I'm going to be here all day. Just call me. Yeah, call me at the gas station payphone, which is odd. Why would you be in. It's near the house, too. So it's like it's very strange. It's seems she's using a gas station payphone when she has a home right nearby. She could call and make, you know, catering. It's not something it's like an emergency. So let me do when you get home. So it's just weird.

Anyway, Sunday, August 28th. Nineteen ninety four. A neighbor. Sees Earl and Theresa and the children that day, Earl drives in nineteen seventy two white pickup truck with a black tailgate.

OK, so very obvious, very obvious truck. That's the one with the black tailgate, obviously after that's aftermarket right there. He backed into something that there's aftermarket. You know how that goes after Oak Tree. That's this is a special Wannsee. Now when you back in when you're drunk and you're back into a semi, this is what happens. So he they were seen together near a nearby national, not with Blaine, though, near a nearby national forest.

On Sunday afternoon, a forest ranger who saw them noticed the black tailgate on the white truck. That's what caught his eye and made him remember it. Right, because you don't see that very often. Another friend goes to the Hodges home at 7:00 p.m. on Sunday and he found a note on the door and two other friends went to the Hodges home at eight forty five pm on Sunday. These people have a lot of friends. Jesus Christ, how many people have come to your house in the last six months?

Not this many of come on on a Sunday evening to these people's house. This is three people, friends stopping by in an hour and a half period on a Sunday evening.

Truthfully, mind boggling. I'm so glad that's what I mean. It sounds like fun and terrible. I don't want to do this now. A three year old, I think it's eight forty five. That kid's been asleep for a half hour. Wake that kid up. I'm going to shoot you off my front lawn.

It's a hundred and six. I hate putting a shirt on, so I'm over.

Jesus Christ. I'm going to wake all the neighbors up. My bless you. This is ridiculous. So they all went there. They also found a note on the door. Everyone saw the same note. The note read, quote, had an emergency back late Sunday, early Monday. Theresa, that's the note on the door. So very odd as well. And the payphone thing, right. It's all very strange goings on here. Now, people observed the Hodges two cars were there.

They were parked nearby, but the home was dark except for a light on in the basement. That's all they could see. They called the house, but there was no answer. And the telephone, the answering machine didn't take the call again. Keeps ringing, keeps ringing. So there's a problem here. What's going on? So whatever they leave, I don't know the fuck knows it's their business. Then August twenty ninth, nineteen ninety four. The next morning, Monday morning, four thirty a.m..

This is a man named Robert Scott. Arnie is traveling on Virginia Avenue past the home. Now he is hearing impaired as well and can't speak. So this guy, what he sees, he then has to find somebody else to help him tell somebody about it. OK, so it makes it even more. Time goes by. He drives past Virginia Avenue, which is where their home is located, the Hodges. And he noticed, quote, a large cloud of smoke coming across the highway very thick.

Oh, not great. He determined that he figured out that a house was on fire. Right. And he couldn't last person to witness that.

That's the thing. He's like, oh, my God. And he's like, I'm making a face, right. I can't fucking do anything about it. So he's like, I you know, so he has to go around. I know he can make noises. He's obviously making a little light of this because it's less comfortable than the more comfortable than a house fire. So he's I know he has to track somebody down to get them to help him.

Right. He said, do you have a radio call this in? You know, whatever. You have a radio there. So he he figured that out. They reported the fire to the authorities. Obviously, firefighters respond to the scene and it's there's a lot of fucking fire. They find fires kind of throughout the whole house. It's all over. They enter through the second story and they come down that way. Seem to be the less fiery, at least fiery of places up there.

So they come in. What they find is fucking horrible. Let's find out here in the downstairs living room, they find Teresa Hodges. She's on the couch. She is certainly passed away. She is still burning on the couch. She's on is still burning and she is still smoldering on fire. They find out, though, that she she died from ligature strangulation.

Here is what we find out. So like we say that she's burning and she's been strangled. Right. She's only wearing a pair of underwear and white cotton and and her white cotton shorts were found over by the stairs near the landing. She has no top, just her underwear shorts found over by the landing. They also they also find a clump of hair. Oh, down like over in that area as well by the stairs. So there's that. So that's horrible enough, right.

They keep going through the house. They find William Blaine, Hodges, Blaine, they find him on the bed upstairs and he is also dead. Yeah, his body is not burned at all. Oh. But he has a gunshot to his left. OK, so that's interesting, right? Strange, not burned and shot, and she's burned and strangled. It's odd that you'd find two completely different like that in the same residents to completely modes of of.

Yeah, deceased. Shot and not burned, strangled and burned. It's fucking seriously weird now they keep going.

No, no. They're hoping that nobody that the kids aren't home obviously, but they find in an upstairs bedroom, both the children are on the same bed together. They're both of the young ladies are dead as well. Yeah. It's, it's awful. So winter at 11 years old, she died from two gunshots to the head. The muzzle of the weapon had been pressed right against her skin. A contact contact.

Her body is not burned, just a shooting.

Now, the body of Anna, who's three, is in the same basket with her sister. She also died, was from two gunshot wounds to the head. Muzzle was within inches when fired. Not direct contact, but close. And her body was covered with soot and had sustained mild burns. But her sister right next to nothing. No burns. This is she went out. It's mind boggling. This is fucking mind boggling. They find a single pubic hair on the bed between them, on the bed between them as a it's a Caucasian pubic hair.

That's all they can tell at first when they find it. And it's like we said in the bed right between the two girls. That's awful. Which is awful.

Now, police, initially, you look at the scene, what do you think, Congemi? Like putting the scene together? I'm going dead, dead, dead upstairs, not burned. One shot to the temple. Right. Everybody else too. And a strangle. Right. I'm thinking this guy killed his whole family and shot himself. It's looks like a murder suicide. And that's what I thought when I first read it. And that's what the police thought as well.

They went, OK, look, the gun that killed everybody is right next to this guy in the guns there. It's a caliber. Yeah, the twenty two is right next to twenty two handguns right next to him. He's got, you know, I mean it's right next to him. He's not burnt. He had one shot and everyone else had to. So that seems like, you know, he shot himself once and then didn't feel the need to do it again.

He was dead. So yeah, the problem is once they get everyone into the medical examiner's office, they find out that Blaine had been killed. Twelve to twenty four hours before the others. Oh, no, not a murder suicide anymore. It's not our guy. Know this that just I mean, the brakes are on. Everyone goes, what the fuck is this was just this is a tragedy, man. Murder suicide. And it made sense.

He was going to prison next month. So they were like, oh, he couldn't take it. He was going away to federal prison. Like, they were just like nodding like, man, this is such a tragedy. Right. You know, great little family. And he steals money out of a drawer and now everybody's dead, you know, like fucking horrible. I mean, this is tragic. Somebody that can't take it right kills their whole family over it.

It's awful as a murderer. What? Not for some fire. They wouldn't know know. That's the thing. He burns. It's open and closed. Yeah, that's who knows. So, yeah, they they also find bruises and and everything on on Tyreese as well, on her body. And but yeah, once they get the autopsy they're like, holy shit, this is not good. They also find that the fire was not accidental. But as a fire.

Yeah. They find gasoline, pour patterns around of course to race around things in certain areas of the house.

Teresa was on her. What do you want to bet? In the history of house fires, there's never been a murder and then an accidental fire.

That's right. Everybody died and then a candle went out of control and burn the house down. That would be a major. That's probably never happened.

Yeah, that's not going to the odds of that would be crazy. Once you see the strangling and the gunshot wounds, you got this probably everything bad is on purpose here that's happened. I think after this, we all agree is on purpose. No, somebody did this and assault did this. So they found the wiring didn't just go faulty. Now, boom, murder suicide, fucking bad wiring handle falls over. Somebody left the oven on mess in here.

So they do find out that the that Teresa and the girls died in the early morning hours of the twenty ninth, but before the fire and Blaine died, like we said, twelve to twenty four hours, probably either during the afternoon or Saturday night even they're thinking Sunday afternoon or Saturday night. Now back I one thing I want to say here, because the only bit of real evidence they have right now is the pubic hair. Yeah. Now, OK, I'm going to I understand because just reading a lot of like if you read like mine, Hunter, you know, like what these weirdos will do if they're killing someone.

Yeah. In my mind. I know. That someone probably tried to jerk off over this situation and there's no, you know, discharge of any kind, there's no evidence he left that way because who knows if he couldn't pull it off or whatever the fucking deal is. But that's probably how a tube ended up on the fucking bed, which is absolutely disturbing, vile. You almost wish it was like fucking sprinkled like a garnish, like just like.

Well, you know what I mean. That's just finishing. Yeah. It has to do with takes a step back. Perfect. Like it's like an art. I know that's not fucking funny, but this is so disturbing. It's better. That would be better then I'm going to jerk off on dead children. That's to me. I don't know.

So and it's just beyond it's grace, the realm of normality. And really, there's no normality of murder in the first place apart from defending yourself, but making it sexual and having some sort of of sick gratification that way makes it so much worse. It makes it worse. Hey, step, it's a mile further down the road.

That was your motive. I'm not that right. You know, that's what it makes. You know, this for that now I can do that grossest thing. I wanted to know. My God. So, yeah. So they found accelerants in the home also. They found the telephone line had been cut, which is where it would be if you did that, it would ring and ring and ring, but obviously no answering machine because there's no phone for it to ring to it.

So that's how that works. Is that so? That's at least for a day. The phone lines have been cut. They also found that all the bullets recovered from the bodies had been fired by the same weapon. Ballistics says that the weapon that they were consistent with weapons manufactured by our Manyas, it's a handgun. I don't know. The problem is the handgun found next to blame, the barrel was missing. What? There's no barrel on it.

How do you know this is the worst frame? It isn't like there's no barrel on a gun. I assume that would help the ballistics of it generally because then there'd be no rifle to fire another shot on and test the rifling. But it generally helps a weapon fire shoot. Right? That's the problem. Yeah.

If you're going to kill yourself, you need a barrel on that bad boy. Yeah, yeah. That's how that's going to work.

So they said that it would it would it would be impossible to determine whether it had fired any of the bullets that without the there's no rifle and there's no ballistics. There's a whole lot more coming about the bullets, by the way, tell. So September 3rd, a couple of days goes by. Yeah. People are like, what the fuck happened? I mean, people are a little freaked out about this at first. Everyone. Oh, that's so sad that a lot of damage.

I right now everyone's like, oh shit. So the police chief talks. He says, quote, I don't think we're dealing with a random shooting.

Really. All right, thanks.

That's how I see why you're the chief. You think you're in charge. I can see why you're not just like a sergeant or an officer or I could see what everybody else thought.

It was random. I'm the one in charge. And I thought, you know what? Probably not.

I said, I don't think that fire is an accident. No, I really don't wanna go out on a limb here. He says that and that. No new information to give out. But there was no quote. There was no reason to kill a whole family, to kill two kids. And that's why the hammer is down and we won't let it up. We're going to find this guy right away. He said there are no new leads that I can make available to you.

He said anything that we could tell you would jeopardize the any further details we could tell you would jeopardize the investigation. Homicide detectives always keep a couple pieces of info in their pocket. Yeah, that way they know if someone is telling the truth, if they confess that way, also, they'll know if a witness is telling the truth, if they're telling on somebody else. Yeah. There's only a you know, there's a couple of details that only somebody was there.

No, exactly. That's a little thing.

What the person was wearing, what the caliber of the weapon was, things like that, little things that they all that's only a killer would know in this case. It's the poor patterns of the gasoline. They don't tell anybody about that. They don't tell shit. They hold that all back for now. Just don't tell anyone it's arson. So which I mean, obviously it is, but they don't tell anyone what kind.

He says we're still trying to determine the last people who saw the Hodges alive. They're talking about a multi jurisdictional investigation with the state police in Roanoke County and Roanoke City in the Vitton town. And the fucking you know, people are coming out of the hills with pictures and Tarbuck and hutches with torches and pitchforks and torch folks. That's right. So, you know, it's going to be the cavalry is coming on full on. Yet here we are, hounds and everything.

Oh, boy. Now they have one sort of witness, kind of Dorothy Ross McGee, who was driving her car through the town of Vinton and her going in to work that morning. She drove past the house and while it was burning and saw a white or before it was burning, but during that time period and saw a pickup truck operated by a lone white male that pulled on to the street. The area of the residents paused, followed her for a second, and then drove past her fast past the thirty five mile an hour speed limit.

She said it was a light colored sort of pinkish color. She said like a light sort of pink, like all big pickup trucks are like pink and beautiful, but with a dark tailgate is what she said. That's what she said. So I mean, she's an old lady. So her colors, especially at that time of morning, because the sun's coming up around then. So you're going to have different views and street lights, street lights mixed with, you know, sunrise mixed with weird.

Who knows what that's going to reflect on light paint at a funny angle. Yeah. You know, if she's got to put on her afternoon glasses, I don't have any idea. So on the morning of the fire, where the fuck was Earl? They want to know because he hangs around and he's a friend of the family. They want to talk to him. They find out that he arrived at his place of work at 5:00, 8:00 a.m. It's four point seven miles from the Hajis House, a 12 minute drive.

So that's how that works. He Earl told his supervisor that he slept in his truck last night out in the parking lot. As I slept in my truck last night, it must overslept out there and came in. But his supervisor said his hair was neatly combed. He had clean clothes on that weren't wrinkled and he was freshly shaven.

So shaved in the event of the awesome. Yeah, this guy can work it out quick. Fred Smith, who's a coworker at the Brew Cosign Company, he said that that Earl sometimes slept in his truck and that he usually parked in the front of that of the store for those. When he did that, he said that when he got there, though, Smith that morning at four thirty a.m., he didn't see Earl's truck there. So if he did sleep there, he was out of the parking lot by four thirty and then came back by 5:00.

So which is not what he said he did.

So also, Earl was seen driving past the Hodges house at eight thirty a.m. on the morning of the fire, but didn't stop. He just drove by the house and there was all emergency vehicles. The whole fucking street was closed off the place where you stay.

Sometimes you have no questions for nobody, not at all. But just keep driving. I'll ask him later. You can imagine the amount of emergency personnel with a fire and four dead people, two dead children. I mean, it's cordoned off. We have a whole street. You can only go around one lane and shit like that. He later said he tells his ex-wife about the fire later in the day. Everybody knows about it by then. And he tells his ex-wife and he said that he thought the police were going to blame it on me.

That's what he said. They're going to blame it on me. Why would they blame it on you? Right. Why? You see, you've got nothing going on. It's got a couple of problems in the past. Once they look at up about twenty years before this, in the 70s, he was found guilty of drunk driving and writing a bad check. OK, who cares? The nineteen, the seventies, obviously drunk driving, a great bad checks aren't great.

It's the 70s. It's twenty years ago. No one died. It's not like, you know, if he didn't get busted twenty more times, maybe he learned his lesson. Right, right.

Clearly figured out how to balance a checkbook. So what. He's bad at math. Who cares exactly is bad at that kind of math. Right. Blood alcohol content. That man. How much do I weigh again. How what's dog shit is wine stronger than half. I mean, lunch. That's right. I don't know. Also they found though a little worse in nineteen eighty four. Little worse. A lot worse. Earl was charged with molesting a ten year old girl.

Oh girl goes all the way to trial but he's acquitted.

He's acquitted. Which I mean who knows back then if they didn't believe the kid who. I don't even know. We don't have any idea. But there's been some other stuff and more on that. We'll get to. Don't worry, that's not the last you'll hear of Earl and his past. They want to talk to Earl because of his friendship with them. Obviously, about five p.m. that day, Earl came down to the police department in response to a request from the police.

He didn't just show up. They called him and they said, would you mind coming in? We want to talk to you about this fire. And now he he said that the policeman told the told him that the Hodges had all been killed in a fire. He didn't mention how they were killed and mentioned murder. He just said everyone was killed in the fire. And at that point, he said that Earl seemed to cry for a period of time.

But the police officer said he didn't see any tears. Oh, he just saw he was just sobbing, basically. I hate that crying. Yes. I don't know what he was doing. Then he became angry and punched a file cabinet. So he's going through all the stages of grief right away, anger. But he's going to be acceptance. By the time he gets to the parking lot, he's going to be like, that's all right. I understand at school.

You know what, man is a crazy topsy turvy world. You never know when you're going to go. That just tells you enjoy your loved ones and enjoy every day of your life. You fellas have a nice night, officers. All right, then. I'll see you later.

Everybody's got the time to go. You go when you're cold, you go when you call, man big man calls are you come or run.

I was I had that process right real fast every night and I wouldn't be itemising, they said when he started acting strangely a little bit, which he's always acting a little bit strangely, but he act strangely and then. Before they even told him that it had been a homicide, he said the police said they were just discussing, quote, some general things and he just interrupted one of the cops and says, if you're going to charge me with work, with murder, go ahead and charge me and get it over with.

Oh, they were like, pardon thing about a murder. Excuse me, sir, we didn't do that. What the fuck? And so near nine thirty a.m. on Wednesday. So he leaves, you know, they say, well we're not going to arrest Darryl, should we. And he said, of course not. I didn't do anything wrong. He ends up leaving, he ends up going. He's staying at the Apple Valley Motel. Now the police come to talk to him there because he said that they should and then he wouldn't talk to them.

So then they come back, but they come back with Blaine's brother, which is weird to like try to convince him, like emotionally like I want to know what happened, my brother help me type of thing. Yeah. And so that's what they do. And they said that he was first commercial was and then he became very emotional and he started crying and shaking real bad. And then he just yelled out, go ahead and arrest me for murder, go ahead.

And he started screaming, why don't you just do he's putting his hands behind his back and cuff me if you want to give me, like, boy, oh, boy, here. He then also said that he thought about suicide and he wrote a note for that night and everything like he was going to kill himself, he tells them. But then he said, hey, calm down, calm down. And they said, look, let's just resume this.

Why don't you come down, meet me at the police department noon tomorrow. We give you a chance to calm down and then we'll just talk about it real nice and calm at noon so that he they he says, OK, sure. And then he never shows up or not, obviously. Oh, and it's getting worse for Earl.

Several days after the deaths of the Hodges coworkers of Earles found a pair of jeans and a bucket filled with water and some cleaning shit in the and the place of business like Aulbach, a pair of his jeans.

In addition, cops who interviewed Earl later in the day noticed that the first day noticed that his sneakers looked to be like freshly cleaned, like they were sparkling clean, but they weren't brand new. OK, so they were like he they look like somebody detailed them with a fucking cutifani, some alcohol or something like really detailed them up and made them nice, which is very strange, especially for.

All right. Girls not going to clean up sneakers like that. James Earl, for fuck's sake, he's not doing that.

There's not an Earl unless DMX that cleans my shoes, motherfucker. Don't like it when emotions get dirty. Right.

So later on in the week, another coworker saw Earl sitting near a dumpster behind the the print shop, the Brookhouse print shop here. So they told the cops about that and the cops went and searched the dumpster just like my fuckin it's something as everyone's kind of suspicious of Earl. When they searched the dumpster, they find Bill's address to Earl in there, a t shirt identical to the one he gave to winter days before the murder. Not that he gave that somebody had given to to winter.

So and they couldn't find that shirt in the house either.

So this is winters' shirt that he has, the eleven year old.

I'm going to put her clothes and shit with my name on it right here.

It gets weirder. Jimmy Oh boy, oh boy. A multi-page document written by Earl detailing his belief that Winter, the eleven year old was sexually attracted to him. Oh no.

And several audiotapes and a tape recorder which imagine what's on these fucking tapes before we get onto this. The recordings on the tapes were by Earl and he spoke about his obsession with with winter on the tapes.

There's more tapes, by the way, that his sister has hidden and also found in the dumpster was a crude sketch depicting the murders. It was a four stick figures, a male, a female and two children. Yeah, lines were drawn to the heads of the male stick figure. And the children and a circle have been drawn around the female and the children, but not the male. The paper on which the sketch appeared bore notes in his handwriting.

Oh, my. So he definitely drew this fucking thing as well.

Not good. Not good. We're never going to understand the mind of a fucking lunatic. How do you how do you even unpack that?

Oh, it gets worse. No other evidence indicated that the notes were written several days before the murder. So he was talking about this. So that was his plan, not what he did. This wasn't like a cave drawing. Like this is what we just did. This was this is what I'll do. I'll do this. This is the house. Yeah, this is my plan is 4th and goal. Yeah. Playbook. That's it.

We're bringing in the goal line, no offense. And I'm going over the top. So the tapes, they find more tapes. He calls them his quote, Panasonic diaries. Gross, which sounds really gross. He could it doesn't matter what he calls it, he could call it his poetry book. And it would still sound utterly disgusting and like, sticky with just. Yeah. You know, so a year prior to the. Murders he had mailed two packages to his sister in Indiana, this is still a year and a year earlier, some of the tapes were found in the sister's house.

Others were found in a rented storage shed and some found in a trash container. The dumpster we talked about now when they're open with the sister's permission, because she's like, I don't know what's in the sister hadn't even opened the box.

She got it and was like, I don't even want to know what the fuck this dude is doing, who sends it to the family and says, store this for me.

He said, hold on to it just in case anything happens to me. You keep that OK. OK. Now they were found to contain photographs of the Hodge's children, 60 to audiotapes of his voice, 62. I mean, these are 90 minute or 60 minute fucking tapes, 62 of them. That's prolific. That's insane. On the tapes, he talks about his sexual interest in winter and his belief that the traits that her parents, Blaine and Teresa, were, quote, trying to set him up or entrap him in a sexual act with her.

He's got a paranoid scheme that the parents are telling the kid to, like, be precocious and come on to him. So he'll go after the kid and then they can entrap him and say he was molesting her. No, no parents ever want to put their kid in a position. That's insane to think that that's fucking nuts. But I mean, it's sixty two fucking hours of it of him saying this is a man in his 40s. Yeah.

This guy is fucking fifty years old.

This guy, he said in the tape that Blaine was using his oldest daughter, quote, as sexual bait, dangling a worm in front of him.

That's the grossest.

It's the most disgusting, the most disgusting.

He talks about how he's fifty five years old at this point. He talks about how, you know, that kid wants him and the parents are trying to set him up. She said on the tape, he says, quote, He's trying to stab me in the back. I'm going to put down why am I going to put the put this down, why all this is all happening? So he's trying to say, I'm going to document this as it's happening later on in his mind.

Later on, when they accuse him, these tapes will set him free. That's what he's in his mind.

So, oh, he's so sick. Another tape he's secretly recorded with winter. This is fucking disgusting that he told her that if he didn't get to see her once a day gets all upset, OK? In conversations, he encouraged her, him to do handstands in front, her to do handstands in front of her him. So is her shirt would fall down and shit. And he she said she's only 11, this kid. And she said, quote, You're not supposed to look at that stuff early.

Oh, God damn it. No. Hey, sick fuck. Get away from me. The kid even knew you're a creep and he's got this until seven eleven and she knew this. You know what I mean? That's a she's a kid who was like going away for me. Like, No, no, go away. Yeah. Don't look at me like that. And he said, quote, Can't help myself. Then later he called her on the tapes on his own when he was recording, called her sexually sophisticated and he felt that she was leading him on.

That's what she felt with with the attention she was giving him. He says, quote, It's heavy duty sexual enticement. I can't handle it. I've got to walk away from it. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's more in the box that he sent to his sisters for for safekeeping. Also in the box was a pair of distinctive socks that definitely were winters'. There is a certain design also. They had solvent used in silk screening in an area of the Brookhouse shop where he did a screening work on them.

Chemical analysis revealed traces of fuel oil on genes that were there, fuel oil. That was an exact match of one of the accelerants that was at the home. There's a lot of stuff here. Additionally, five gallon fuel cans were found at the Hodge's home and were matched to fuel cans owned by Kendler Oil where Bramblett had worked.

We took cans from there, brought America's left in their pocket.

Now, the notes here are on the house with Teresa. If we remember the ones had an emergency be back Sunday morning, Sunday night, early Monday morning. They said that family members testified that later on that they knew of no such emergency. And if anything was wrong, Teresa would have called her family. She's close to their family and not shy. She would have called also family members recognized her handwriting, but they they said it look like her handwriting.

But a handwriting expert was unable to make a positive match between the handwriting in the letter and her actual handwriting.

So they don't know if it was written under duress or somebody trying to copy her hand, either one, either one, or sometimes when people are forced to write things, they write it not like they do on purpose to show that they're being fucking forced to write something.

So who knows? Also, they found an eye, an ID here. Oh, an indented writing on one of the notes. And the writing, which was addressed to one of Bramblett Bramblett sons, was also written by Bramblett. You could see the indentation. So it came from one of his notepads at least. Also, forensics, they found the gasoline sprinkled around the bodies, like I said, didn't release that publicly, though firearms experts said that the casings and everything all matched came from the same gun they found.

The bullets came from a certain lot. That was a lot that he bought at a certain store. Now, obviously, anybody in that town could have went in and bought from the same lot. But, you know, that's just something that he actually had. You can put it in the in the barrel of shit. That's weird. The fact that the the barrel was off the gun made it kind of hard to see if it was that gun.

But that's fine here. Now, the pubic hair. Yeah, the single pubic hair. Just by the way, he's off in the wind right now. He's supposed to show up and he didn't. This is all this investigation is going on while they're looking for him found on the one between the children was disturbed, was determined to microscopically match a sample of Earles pubic hair. But that could be that's that's very common. So they have to do a DNA test.

And when they do that, it matches IRL. So that matches IRL.

That's a problem. That's a problem. You don't want to have the matching pubic hair between two dead children.

You don't want your DNA near two dead children, especially in a pub form. Right. Just about anything else would be better than a pub, I think. Right. And if any DNA that is an eyeball from your hips are from from your from the middle of your thighs to your bellybutton, anything that comes from any of that is bad. Keep that away from the kid on that shit away. So he's on the he's on the fucking wing. Basically he's on the run here.

He rather than lays laying low, he writes a letter to a newspaper to publish, and it's dated October 12th, nineteen ninety four, some more than a month and a month and a half after the murders.

He needs publicity of this up. He says the Blaine Hodges family were my family and Winter and Anna were my daily joys. It tore out my heart as I know it has the rest of the Hajis. He says that he stated that the Vinton police were trying to set him up and that several lawyers had advised him to get out of Virginia. No lawyer would give you that. That's not legal advice. You're wanted sort of. You're a Matear at least a material witness at this point flee the state, right?

No fucking lawyer would give you that advice. You didn't do it. Let's go to court and prove it. Yeah. Like these people saying you can't just run away. Also, the don't you said they were your family. End of story. I don't put that other set. No, no. Don't put that or my joy grow. Hey, we found your tapes. Don't say that. He says, quote, I think I counted six or seven total lies by the police.

They did not misquote me or misunderstand what I said, that they totally fabricated, fabricated the whole story of when I went to the Venton Police Department, I saw the handwriting on the wall then. Then he said that he would have voluntarily turned over any information that he had that would have solved the case. He said, quote, I have stayed away from the police because they lied to me. That's what he said. He stays away. How long?

Two years. What two years go by? Nothing.

Are they know they can't fucking find him. You know what? I'm going to go out on a limb and say, I don't think they're looking that fucking hard because this is nineteen ninety five now. Ninety six. This isn't nineteen forty five. We can just disappear. Yeah. There's computers and shit. And you know where he goes to West Virginia. South Carolina, which is pretty close by. You know how he hides uses his real name. Wait what real name gets a job.

Just pretends like nothing's going on. It just goes by people. Yeah. It was one from Virginia just moved here. My name's Earl Conrad tells them and the cops don't fucking find him for two fucking years. I'm sorry. That is pathetic.

That's pathetic. That's terrible. That's often Dangerman. That's letting a fuckin guy that's capable of that dude, unleashing that on society. That's harsh on anybody that's not dead. They came in contact with him. You're lucky to be alive. I mean, someone who's capable of that, we haven't gotten to possibly the sickest yet he's ever done here.

There's more coming. So finally, July 30th, nineteen ninety six, he's arrested. He's been living in Spartanburg, South Carolina, for two years, working at the Sky Vision Print Shop is even working. They didn't even go. Let's just go through the print shops around. We'll call all the print shops in the southeast and just see if they have a guy named Earl Bramblett working there. It's what you got. Yeah, but I mean, let's just do it.

Haven't you guys played Carmen San Diego? I mean, you find what he's good at. There is the Internet right now, literally. I mean, it's not like it is now, but you could get online and look at shit and find things and crack this case.

Absolutely. So, wow.

They said a tip led to the to the arrest. What tip. What?

I mean, honestly, now, you didn't need a tip, right? Oh, we're idiots. Thanks. And they hang up right. Their gerkin outside my house with a can of gasoline looking at my kids. Is that sound, that sound like anybody going into a tape recorder.

For the other hand, I don't know what's going on in very strange. So they said they staked him out for about two days. They notified the owners of the print shop and surrounding businesses before making the arrest and they swarmed the place. He surrendered without incident and declined to be interviewed. He said they did put him on suicide watch. They said, wow, he was working at the print shop. They're all shocked. The neighbors, everybody loves him over there.

They said to his neighbor said they described him as a helpful guy. He had a three he adopted a three legged dog from the county shelter and he could see him walking in every night and waving at everybody. There's Earl. What a nice guy. Oh, my God, Mary.

And he had four legs when he adopted and had three legs, and then its life got worse and then bad things happen. Mary Ann Halbrook, who lives down the street, said, quote, I've cooked supper for him before. Lord God, I just thought he was a lonely old man. Wow. Yeah. She said her husband and Earl were good friends. He would clean the fuel tanks on her husband's truck and he helped out another neighbor, Chuck Gordon, put gypsum wallboard at his house and fixed another man's car.

He's just the nice guy, the neighborhood, if she says, quote, If you can ever think about someone doing something like that, Earl is the last person you would ever suspect, just like kind of the slogan of small town murder. Right. Who the last person. And so all of that happens. Yeah.

He walked his dog, his dog. Three like a dog. We you think his name is Jimmy Tripod.

Now, lucky I knew you'd get lonely. I knew you got in three. I knew you got it in fucking three. I give you three guys, he's going to get lucky. It's absolutely gotten. Yeah. He people describe him, like I said, a good neighbor. He stopped at I would go to Nicky's speedy mart every day getting beef jerky for lucky because lucky like beef jerky and a twelve pack a Milwaukee's best for himself. That is disgusting.

Imagine what his shits were like. He is the happiest person on earth. Sucks. Yeah.

Another guy here, Kononenko, co-owner of the Mickey's place, said, quote, The guy would have done anything for you. He was a great fella, one of the nicest people we ever met. People said he was quiet, but I never noticed that shyness. We talked every day. Yeah, they arrested him. People were freaked out. One Sherman Swafford, who owns Sky Vision Signs and design, said he felt sorry for him. He said they connected and, you know, he knew the guy.

He said before eight a.m. each day he'd walk through his backyard, down a neighbor's driveway and had across the street. And then, you know, he'd do his thing. He said about ORL quote, He was quite skillful, extremely articulate. He could talk about anything. His favorite topics always seem to be athletics, track and field. He was very humble, almost pitiful, sort of almost in a pitiful sort of way. I almost felt sorry for him.

I paid him every week, even every week, even weeks when he didn't produce much because it felt like he needed it. Right. They have like a dog, you know, like a predator does. He makes you feel bad for him. And then he gets what he wants, puts himself. He knows how to blend the situation. That's the thing. Because of all that moving, most of the time it's the opposite. The serial killers don't know how to blend.

He is really good at just blending. He's super Deyn. He's that's all.

This is the most dangerous because you're not if you saw the Night Stalker right in nineteen, stop. If you saw that guy, you go, Jesus, you cross the street to the other side of the fucking street. Dennis Rader, people were fucking petrified of that man. This guy. You'd wait. Hey, how you doing? They're lucky you little three legged had come over, say hello to the kiddos. Oh, yeah. The kids love Earl.

He's great with the kids. He had a small vegetable garden with tomatoes and squash and beans. Yeah. And, you know, all that kind of shit. One neighbor said, quote, There couldn't have been a friendlier, nicer neighbor everywhere. That's his next door neighbor said that about him for a year. They said that this is one person said, quote, It's like he died. I mean, police talk like it's open and shut. He just didn't seem like the type.

But I guess they never do. Yeah, that's that's good. Oh, yeah. Bramblett told his roommate, James Lee Owens, that he had he was in South Carolina because he had, quote, done something bad in Virginia, but he couldn't talk about it. Oh, boy. Police said it was like a scene from a movie. We turned the corner and he walked out the door and there he was. And that felt good. Two years worth of shit.

You could have had him at any point, any morons. He was literally in the same house using his name with bills attached to it free. He just had to do a anybody anybody using this name anywhere. Right. Run a quick search. There are do not be that many. Earl Conrads, Earl Conrade Bramble's. You know how many there are fucking zero. Because I, I do background checks on these people. There's not any other ones that I could find, but that's him.

That's the guy. That's the fucking one. Grain printer. Weird. Jesus Christ.

The the chief of police said there was some degree of pressure to get him. To get him. To get him. No shit. It's been two years, you fucking moron, you dumb shit. This guy's an idiot. But we needed we needed to get him. When we were ready and had a case against him, we had known where he was for some time to. So you let a fucking. They didn't tell the local authorities, hey, I'd keep an eye on this guy, twenty four fucking hours a day.

We think he's trying to fuck kids and kill whole families and burn their bodies. We've got a case here. He's the number one suspect. It's fucking terrible. If I told you the details, you'd shit yourself. You really got an eye on him. Maybe a tail every day for the rest of the tab. Just check it out. God damn it. Apparently, he they find his place here. He rents a place and so they search the fuck out of that place.

Guy climbs up in the crawlspace and all this sort of shit. I mean, they really get in there. They said that he was also fixing up a store and sort of shit like that. One neighbor said he was clean shaven and seemed like a nice, good looking man. That just tells you you never know. Your neighbors know if you shave, that means you're fine. That's hilarious. So they extradite him back to Virginia quickly. That doesn't take very long.

He waives the he doesn't care and lets them do it. And they were proud of themselves. The county commonwealth attorney said that he was very proud of two years of hard police work. Fucking Jesus. There were lots of pieces that had to be tied together. He says he's indicted for capital murder as of winter in the same transaction as the murder of Anna. The murders of Anna Blaine and Teresa. Arson and three counts of using a firearm in the commission of the murders.

He is up for the death penalty here. He says at his arraignment, quote, Yes, I don't understand. Are we talking about one count of murder? Two counts, ten counts? What are we talking about? He does. You know, what you did is what they should have said. Fuck you. You know what you did, you asshole. So he wanted to talk, he said about what happened. He was rambling to the judge.

He really. It's his arraignment. Yeah. Not guilty or guilty.

He starts rambling answer literally.

Then he starts going on reiterating some of the claims he made. He's basically reiterating his nineteen ninety four letter to the newspaper. The police have been setting me up. He asked if a Virginia state trooper was going to be charged and he was advised by a Roanoke attorney that it would be best for him to leave the area. That's the only reason he left. You know, all of this shit he said that he got in South Carolina and the police had just drug him down to rock bottom.

He said, I landed in a mission. I was almost broke. So he gives an interview from jail here to go to a newspaper. Oh, boy. In that reporter, he talked in that interview, he talks about that gasoline had been sprinkled around the bodies. Well, no one knew that yet. That's they still never released that DNA.

And so when that comes out, the police went up, up, up, up, up, up, up.

Yeah. What the fuck did he just say? So then they subpoenaed the reporter. There was a big battle to get all of her notes and shit because she didn't want to give them up for, you know, freedom of press type of shit. But the police said, quote, The only thing that's the only thing that only the killer would know, obviously.

Right. So it's either him or you, lady, cough them up or they do end up dragging her to court to testify against her. Well, when she ends up doing it, he also cellmate comes forward named Tracy Turner, who's a convicted felon who was incarcerated with him at the county jail.

Bad man. Oh, yeah, Tracy. Tracy, he is a bad color brown. He is. And he's addicted to I don't know if he's a killer, but he's he's a kind of a drug addict and a bad guy in general. He said that Bramlett told him that Earl said that he was, quote, addicted to young girls.

Jesus fucking Christ.

What do you mean for I'm addicted to meth. You know, I got an addiction. Let me tell you about it. Tell you about it. Brown It's disgusting. Shut up. Bramblett quote said that he had been caught with the girl, the young girl, and that he was caught downstairs with her and that the mother sent them upstairs and sent her and he he went upstairs and then he choked the life out of her. That's what this guy is saying.

Also, according to Turner, he says that Bramblett said that he, quote, walked around for a little bit, then went upstairs. He said he went to the first he went first to the man's room and then he went to the girl's room and he finished his business and took care of his business. He also Earl was telling Turner apparently about a what he called a forensic science book from which he learned that if you burn a house, that it takes the rifling off the bullets and destroys hair samples and things it does destroys trace evidence.

That's why people do it. But it does not take rifling off of bullets. That's metal. And it's going to be awfully hot to melt, right? Yeah. Unless you have jet fuel in your house, that'll be the only way that's going to work, you know, I don't know. So according to to this Turner, he said that's the reason he set fire to the house. He said that he wanted the defense to be able to suggest the murders were a drug hit.

Why would he say that? That's because Earl offers evidence that in the late 80s and this is semi true parts of it, Blaine and Teresa Hodges were cocaine in the cocaine hardcore, which we don't know about. That they were. They were. Fly by a guy named Michael Fulcher, who is Teresa's half brother during that period, Fulcher, who was in jail at the time, was going doing fucking was wearing a wire for the feds to bust drug dealers for the DEA as part of his sentence, as part of his deal.

And so they're saying this was a revenge hit for him turning and drug dealers. That's what all saying, because that's what they do in a revenge drug, that they believe a pubic hair between children, right? Not normally not. Oh, one more thing. Yeah, almost forgot. No, I didn't. But one more thing. Make that two more things. Let's talk about Tammy Lynn Acres and Angela Mae Rader on both 14 year old girls disappeared February 7th.

Nineteen seventy seven. Yeah. To go back a little bit to that time period, Earl's father was still alive, known as Old Man Bramblett. Yeah, small town shit screen printing shop. He had blues down the street from where Tammy Lynn ACRS lived and Tammy had been given permission to help out at the shop. Odd jobs to get a little money on the side. Right. Earl was always off and at the shop as well. He took a liking to Tammy.

She was smart and shit like that. She would accompany him on outings and shit to deliver things and stuff. He would give her gifts on a regular basis. And yeah, now Tommy's older Tammy's older sister was there on some of the outings and reports later that she was fondled by Earl on multiple occasions. The older sister and her attempts to report it weren't taken seriously and that she was told she was just jealous of her younger sister. That's how people used to treat all these young girls.

You're just jealous of your younger sister. Nobody wants to fuck you. She's Ketan Decken. You're not. This is horrible. So Tammy and her friend Angela Rayder, also 14, were dropped off at William Ruffner Junior High School by one of the relatives on February 7th. They did not attend classes that day and were last seen hitchhiking in the city. And neither girl has ever been heard from again. Oh, no, ever. Angela ran away. Angela and Tammi had run away together several times before this.

So the police didn't take it that seriously at first because they had done this before. Like, they'll be back. There's one of those things. But several months later, they still weren't back. One of the girls mother's got a phone call from someone saying she was her daughter, but she didn't know if it was really her or not and saying that she was OK and she was fine and then she hung up. Yeah, I'm your daughter and I'm fine.

I'm your daughter. I figured out life and I'm never coming back. Tammy and Angela were also allegedly seen in a grocery store in the months after they vanished, but that was never confirmed whether it was them. The girl's mother told the cops that Tammy and Angela worked for the friend of the family. All Bramblett in nineteen seventy seven and a photo. You know, they looked through all of that. Tammy's mother said that her daughter was friends with Bramblett and his wife at the time and spent a lot of time at their house.

She said that he didn't seem to have a lot of adult friends, just children. That's a good sign. Jesus, orange slices. This is the we haven't said it in a while. If you see a guy who has no kids, but he's volunteering to coach Little League and shows up half hour early with orange slices, keep that guy the fuck away from your kids now. Fifty fifty. He might be just the nicest guy in the world.

Or he's trying to fuck your kids. Yeah, not worth the risk. Don't leave him alone with no. At minimum. You want your little league coach to be some dad. That's like for fucks my one day off. Fine, fine. I'll coach the fucking team. Is you happy now? And he shows up and he's like, Tommy, Jesus Christ, my head hurts over.

Oh my. When is this over inside out.

If that's the guy he's never going to fuck. Right. He just wants to get away from them. That's who you want. So he reportedly told friends IRL did at a party.

He got really drunk in nineteen eighty and started wailing and sobbing and crying out that he wished he hadn't hurt Tammy. So this was very crazy. Wow. So there was that a lot of people reported that, but they never got any other info. He left the area there and that was that. And so they never, they never, they've never been found. They've never come forward. This is forty three years ago. Right. They've never even found skeletal remains.

Nothing until today. To this day, those girls are fucking in the wind, man.

No, I mean, they searched the one girl's brother made it his personal mission, a search engine. It's fucking horrible. And we'll talk a little bit more about the search for them here. The change of venue he wants is denied. He doesn't want the change of venue only seven with the jurors. Sixty eight, they don't let him have the change of venue. They say there's plenty here. Sixty eight potential jurors were questioned. Only seven were excused because of fixed opinions about Earl that would have impaired the.

Ability, the remaining were either unaware of what happened, didn't see any media reports or the crimes, or they said they had an ability to put aside any information they may have read. Right. And take what they're giving.

Also, his account of the murders is not how it happened. There's no way that's the way it worked. You know, I mean, he didn't go up, choke the life out of him, then go up and murder him and then do his business. Yeah, that's not how it worked.

The fuck does he think he has to. You're so fucking famous. Fuck you. You're murdering scumbag. You're not famous. Maybe if you would have eaten them, then you would have been famous enough to have a change of venue.

But let's be honest here now. Late October nineteen ninety seven is the trial. He pleads, not pleads not guilty. Trial takes fourteen days. Ninety eight witnesses testify here.

Blaine, they tell the defense tries to put out that Blaine was going to prison. So, you know, still though, I don't know how you're going to. He killed himself and his whole family as a thing when he didn't have a barrel on the gun. So it sounds a little bit interesting here. Prosecutors talked about they played the recordings of the of the tape saying he's sexually attracted to winter and that the paranoia and that he's going to molest her and all this type of shit that doesn't go over well, I'm sure, as you can imagine with the jury now, Theresa's father also testifies here.

He said that his daughter had become scared of Earl the week before the murder and along with her husband and two daughters as well on the he said that he told his daughter to get Earl to return the extra house key that they've given him or change the locks and doors. And he's not the only person that told her that her she had a friend testify to the same exact thing. Firearms expert testified about the weapons and the bullets. The casings were found and the cartridges.

They matched bullets that were found in Bramblett truck and storage room that he rented as well. They were the same, not the rifling. They're not ballistics, but the bullets were from the same lot. So either he bought a similar box, like I said, in the store in town that the killer bought or from the same fucking box, either one. But you add in the DNA pupi and I think it starts to really come together. Yeah.

So the McGee lady who saw the truck, the old lady, this becomes the pinkish red lady. This becomes a huge deal because of the pinkish red thing. Right. So what they do is the prosecution brings in these halogen lights to like, copy this, Molly.

The sunset was the street lights to see if it gave it a pinkish. You would do all of this shit. Meanwhile, they gave it a pinkish you. Right. And the defense never objected to this, which is interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it's actually white, but I mean, there's no pinkish.

Look it up. It look at the DMV. Is there a light pink truck with a dark fucking tailgate in the state of Virginia? Probably not. They usually paint them that for like a giveaway for breast cancer.

Yeah, that would be it. Yeah. Oh, my God. Look at that. I want it at the ballpark. I got my seat chosen or whatever the fuck.

And usually the person that owns that truck doesn't murder children generally. Let's hope not. She's fingers crossed. You don't use that vehicle in the commission of a crime is the point.

The lady that sells all the Mary Kay isn't out fucking robbing people in her pink Cadillac. That's true. L stands out a bit. Amway people aren't either. Right? So, yeah, his lawyer tried to suggest they brought up the VA. They said they ignored all other leads. You know, the police focused on Earl right away, which made sense. Why? Because he had a goddamn tube in the bed. He also said that the they tried to say the family fell victim to a revenge killing by drug dealers.

Like we said, all of that shit, basically that Michael Fulcher was an informant to infiltrate drug rings from eighty four to eighty nine.

So there's a lot of people mad at him, no doubt. But this is probably not this way, though. November 1st, nineteen ninety seven verdict comes down and he is guilty of all charges here. Sentencing will be in two phases. There is the all the charges that aren't death eligible and then the death charge. So those are two different phases here. During the phase sentencing phase, his attorneys present various testimony. Earl's older sister, his brother, his ex-wife, his son, they all say that he's a very paranoid person.

So he might might have actually thought that. But they all said that he was a nice guy. He just thought the police were plotting against him. So they said that, you know, he drank sometimes and that his paranoia was worse when he was drinking. So they said he's a good father, though, but his bosses said he was a good worker. They called him an unselfish assistant coach in youth basketball. I don't know what that means.

He shared the kids with other perverts. It's very unselfish and unselfish.

Coach Yeah. Michael, who is his son, was a junior at Virginia Tech at the time. Really? It's not bad. He said his father always attended his basketball games, track events, and he told them about hiking trips and going to the Grand Canyon with him and all that. The guy he worked for, Sherman. Wofford, that felt bad for him in Spartanburg, he said that he was, quote, always extremely honest and he said that he would let Earl run the business for him when he couldn't work, when his wife got cancer.

That's how honest he is. But on the first day of the sentencing hearing, also several women testify that Earl either sexually assaulted or terrorized them in the past. One of them said that he initiated sex with her when she was 12 years old. Another one said that Earl dragged her into the kitchen of his home in the late 1970s, held a gun to her head and then fired a shot into the floor in a sexual assault was to get her to not run away.

During closing arguments, though, they said that that he was suffering from mental illness because they brought psychiatrists and dueling psychiatrists. One said he's delusional as fuck. He doesn't know where he is. He's trying and he wants to help with the defense, but he doesn't know how to. And the other guy, when he's just kind of an asshole like this is like technically, medically, I would say he's a jerk off. Yeah. But as a person, I'd say he's an asshole.

It's one of those things he sounds sick as fuck to me. Yeah, sick. Well, the lawyer in his closing said, quote, The defense lawyer. I submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, do you think he's cured now? Do you think he got this out of his system because he's killed four people? Do you think the issue's gone? That's what I'm sorry. The prosecutor said that, you know, he's going to kill more because, like the defense said, that it's not a good defense.

No, that guy hates him. He's dangerous. He's going to do it again right now to one of your kids, probably.

So the jury deliberates for two and a half hours before recommending the maximum for light. You, sir, may fuck off for life sentences, for the lesser charges, and then the next day is going to be, well, oh, he is so full. Whether he's going to get the evidence that for the lesser. Yeah, yeah. Which was still murder, several murders. But for each of the three first degree murder convictions, it's life imprisonment and the one hundred thousand dollar fine.

So he also goes the state three hundred grand. Somehow the arson conviction is life in prison. Flanner, one hundred thousand dollar fine. The court suspended the fine for that. We'll take three, but not for three grand. I can't even afford a tailgate. The matches. Oh, shit.

And for the three firearms convictions. Thirteen years in prison. So the Randy Hodges, who is Blaine's brother, he said he shouted when the jury said guilty, he shouted thank you and stood up and was escorted from the court. As he was dragged out by bailiffs, he turned to Earl and said, Burn in hell. You fucking got dragged out. I love him. Yeah, he was. They talked to him outside about getting dragged out and he said, quote, It was worth it.

What a relief. I didn't give a fuck. I got to hear the part I wanted to fuck. You love that. That's great. It was worth it. Do it again.

So Theresa's brother Tom, our brother in law, Tom, said today is the first time in three years we're going to have some justice. So the death sentencing comes back and it's pretty much the same testimony. Six men and six women, they deliberate for seventy eight minutes before coming back with their decision. You, sir, may fuck off death penalty for Earl. Earl is getting death for that now a few months later. OK, they're looking for Tammy and Angela right now.

They know where he's been and where he was in the 70s. And they kind of have more of a hold on him. There's a point here where Tammy's brother is able to gain access to the home where Earl's family lived at the time of Tammy and Angela's disappearance. That's awesome. Different people live there now. He talks his way into the house he discovered in the basement in the back had been closed off from the rest of the basement with a stone wall.

OK, that the area had been closed off was now only accessible through a narrow opening in the floor of the master bedroom closet. Above is the only way they got to this. Like a dungeon. Yeah, someone would need to be lowered through the hole to access the area. They have to break out the floor, lower through the hole. This area also contained a laundry chute and Tammy's family could come up with basically I'm sorry, their family said the family, the bezerra is like, I don't know why anyone would block this off.

There would be no reason to block this off. Like, why would you fucking do that? Why would you put a place where you can't get to the house is now for sale?

Yeah, I want the fuck out of here. Yeah. And they said that possibly there's a dirt floor in there and they say that's where they think these girls are. Tammy's sister recalls being in the basement before right when the house was built and the basement was open with no inner walls. So that was built then after the owners of the property at that time, though, didn't want their basement dug up. They were like, you're not tearing our basement apart.

We just bought the house. Fuck you. Right. So, yes, someone who claims to have been living in a child, living in the home in the 90s recalls cadaver dogs coming to search the property at that. The family dug around, some with a shovel as well, but it wasn't possible to dismantle the concrete basement walls without fucking damaging the house, you destroy the house, the foundation of the house, so the family no longer lives there.

But the child says that the child who lived there at the time said there was two bizarre concrete slabs in the basement which were described as coffin sized. This is fucking disturbing. That's bizarre. So, yeah, eight months after he sent to death row, authorities dig up that yard of the house. They dig up the yard. They found nothing. They dug up the entire fucking yard. They found nothing in. The current owners would not give them permission to dig up their basement because this would destroy the house and they needed permission.

You couldn't just court order it. For some reason, there wasn't enough evidence that it was all voluntary. Is this just on a whim? And they said nope. So there's never dug up that corner of the basement. We don't know if that's where Tammy and Angela are in this fucking basement. They could do like infrared right now. They can do what they do in fucking a sweep of raid, but they haven't can find shit underground that they haven't.

He said that he was drunk when he made the statement about hurting Tammy at that party and that his comment was misinterpreted. He says, though, that Tammy died in a bonfire in central Florida in eighteen nineteen eighty, and the police have known about it and tried to cover it up. And there was a girl who died in a bonfire in Florida who went by the nickname of Tammy, but that's not her actual name. And they did tests and it's not Tammy.

Got it. So yeah. Now on appeal. Jesus Christ, he on appeal here. They reject his ineffective assistance of counsel claims and shit like that. That's his basic, you know, appeal there. They're the first appeal. That's a sentence is affirmed January of 2000.

No Tracy Turner. Right. Cellmate. He recants his whole thing. Oh, you, Dick. He said no, they never do. Never tell them any of that shit. He changed it in an affidavit filed in court. He said he lied because he was scared of going to prison and the police promised him, God damn it, last sentence. Yet he said, I'm coming forward and telling the truth now because I cannot live with what I have done or what I've helped others to do, which, I mean, if you're that guy, you don't know that family.

You just feel like you put somebody in the electric chair. That's a fucking that's a rough thing to have on your head if that's not someone who you are. They promised him a drug treatment program and reduced prison time in exchange for testimony. He said in the affidavit, yeah, they said, quote, You could have a whole. Oh, no, this was the this is the attorney, the district attorney. He said you could have a whole choir of snitches coming in and saying one thing at trial and everyone coming back later saying it didn't they didn't mean it, but that doesn't mean anything.

I didn't think Tracy Turner was an important witness to the case. I don't really think either. I think he's getting convicted either way.

But still, they said he has addiction to kids. That's not that's that's what I mean. Well, he did say that he described the murder of how he did it, but people already got there without him. I don't think that that's true anyway. Well, the fact is, there's a D his I hate these prisons. Right. They're never true. His prison parsley is right next to the kids. Yes. It's enough. That's right there.

That's gross. Yep. So, yeah, he said that this basically doesn't mean anything in this happens in every murder case, somebody will come up and recant testimony. That doesn't mean that all the evidence was bullshit. So two thousand one more appeals here quickly. He he said all that it was all circumstantial evidence against him. It had all been planted or fabricated. Now he's saying his pubic hair sample was taken before the authorities located the hair on the girl's bed and that they planted the pubic hair there.

That's what he's saying. He's also saying that his tape recordings have been altered to give the impression that he was attracted to winter and liked young girls. OK, OK. Now I know also he said they didn't get a change of venue. He doesn't think he could get it didn't couldn't get a fair trial. Ineffective assistance of counsel also brings up Michael Fulcher talking about the brother in law who set up all these drug kingpins and all this type of shit.

He says the Virginia State Police were investigating Bulger for drug dealing and money laundering and, you know, all that sort of shit. Now, he was in jail at this time. He can't he can't demonstrate prejudice for his default claim because the failure to disclose this information did not violate Brady because it didn't matter, because it wasn't had nothing to do with the case. You can't say it's not Brady is they withheld information from the defense that was exculpatory for them.

But this you can't say everything that every family members ever done is somehow exculpatory evidence toward you. You know what I mean? That wouldn't Theresa wasn't involved in it, so it doesn't make any fucking sense. So also, he brings up Benjamin Car. OK, this is the first time Benjamin Karr's name has been mentioned. He claimed that the state withheld information regarding the possible involvement of Benjamin Karr in the murders. In this support and the support of the claim, he says that he gets affidavits from a couple of friends of Benjamin Karr's, according to this one.

Named Judith I'm sorry, you had Judith Zinat car, contacted her in 1995 or 1996 and offered to quote Ice Roberts former employee employer like the family on Virginia Avenue. So Judith took this statement to mean that Carr claimed responsibility for the Hodges murders, which I don't think sounds like he's threatening a similar thing. They stop saying when I heard about over there, that's what I would say to you if I said I'm going to go Jeffrey Dahmer on your ass, I think I wouldn't say James did all the Jeffrey Dahmer.

Yeah, he'd go James wants to drill holes in my head and rape my zombie corpse.

Somebody killed Jeffrey Dahmer and they should have gotten James. Fuck, dude, this is bad. Has there been a lot of Filipinos disappearing in Phoenix? I have to go now. Show's over.

Thanks, everybody. Alio So, yeah, Judith mentioned this, mentioned her conversation to car with a friend who is a police officer in Vinton on the assumption that the car's statement to Judith was exculpatory. They're saying that made it so. That's him admitting to it all should be set free. OK, that's what he says. They said, no, not quite. It's affirmed, but not without strong dissent. There is someone dissenting hardcore about because, OK, when you this is one of those things, when you add up all the little pieces of evidence that are there, it adds up to he did this right.

You know what I'm saying? Pretty fucking clear that he's very strong, pretty fucking strong, especially his actions cemented afterwards. But the problem is, at the same time, it's like, OK, it looks like he did it. But at the same time, there's all these little pieces of evidence on the other side of impropriety which shades that which makes it look like shit. That's why it's I mean, it's imperative. All right. You have to have quality police work.

You need to have police where quality prosecutorial work, because otherwise this shit fucking happens. You don't dot your I's and cross your T's and you cut fucking corners because you it's even if you're right, cutting corners does not work because then people can say shit like this and it has it holds water because you fucked up. That's why O.J. didn't get convicted, because they were fucked up. They cut corners and that's what happens. It looks shady after a while.

So they're talking about, you know, that the pink or red pickup truck. Here is another reason jurors could have said that. They could have they could have acquitted him on that alone. They were saying they're the murder weapon was never conclusively identified. Expert's testimony, expert testimony that the unfired bullets found at the murder scene and among Bramblett belongings came from the same melt or lot appears less important than the prosecution claimed. It's like we said, that could have been anyone buying that jurors could have believed that more than one person in the same town might have gone to the local store and bought ammunition from the same lot.

All the only physical evidence linking him to the crime was a single pubic hair matched to him through DNA that was discovered in the girl's bed. Wow. Bramblett was a frequent visitor to the Hodges household. Thus, the hair could have been blown onto the bed by the large fans used by firefighters or by air coming through an open window.

OK, this isn't a fucking Disney thing with a feather feather. One magic duty to to force one fucking poop floats along with no right. Are you out of your fucking mind? How about the murder plan that he sketched and threw in the trash can? That's a judge that wrote that. Why? I'm not a lawyer. That's one of the U.S. Supreme Court justices of Virginia fucking wrote those words that the Pew could have floated there magically and landed in between them.

Can we look at anything that that man's done before? Right. What the fuck, man? So all sorts of Bramblett statements to the police that he thought he'd be arrested for the murder. I don't know why that helps him. Fifth, he said that despite the prosecutor prosecution's arguments, that his obsession about winter was the motive for the crime, the prosecution presents no evidence that Windsor or sister was sexually assaulted. So get all that. But that doesn't matter because he's still convicted for appeals for clemency here as it gets closer to execution, time is begging.

Well, yeah, they attorneys said in their clemency petition that the recanted testimony from Tracey Turner that linked him to the murders should be enough to warrant a new trial, at least. And they also said the defense team, the prosecution said the defense team was grasping at anything and everything because all the evidence pointed at Earl. So Gov. Mark Warner denies his request for clemency. Their US Supreme Court also denies a request for a stay. And both the Virginia Supreme Court and the US District Court in Roanoke both all reject last minute arguments by the attorneys that the electric chair amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.

They want to give them that. No, they want to give them lethal injection. He chose the electric chair as a form of protest. He said, nah. Yeah, well, light. Yeah, well, that's right.

So that's a homemade oak chair. That's been in use since 1988. We should have nothing in use, that's been in use since 1988, especially if it's fucking electric. If you had a toaster in your house. Oh, and it has been this is a toaster from nineteen eight. You would throw that thing out in a second to rip the cord out and put it up as like a you know, I would take it to an antique shop and sell.

I would not try to make a toast in it. No, I'm going to burn my house down and put my sour dough in their fucking mouth. So but they're going to do this. They tested it once a month. They said they just tested once a month just to see if they'll work. And he will be the third inmate to die in the chair since ninety five when lethal injection became an option. Sixty one people have been executed by lethal injection in Virginia since then.

And this is in two thousand three we're talking about. One guy was killed as his wife and infant son and another guy who killed four people in a robbery.

So he writes a letter here, letter to Douglas C Graham, who's a private investigator and who's an author later on, who he talks to all through this. And this guy is convinced of his innocence. He's written multiple books, weren't fictionalized books that are stories of the town setting up some guy. It's the story of Earle slightly changed a quote. Fictionalize it enough have to give anybody money, I guess. I don't know. Look, man, I don't have the ins and outs and legal documents pretty, pretty open and shut here.

This is how do you I looked into this a lot. He fucking did this. I was pretty proud of himself. Yeah. He called in the letter.

Earle called the execution an assassination. Thanks awfully highly of himself. If the option of life in prison were offered, he wrote that he would still choose to die. If I have to resign, if I have to sign to accept life, I'm out of here. It's adios, amigo. They're just going to have to kill me. He says that he picked the electric chair as a form of protest. He said, I hope the Sobeys who put me here will never forget what they see.

If that's revenge, then I suppose it is. But perhaps those who just went along and and any other decent people out there will be so influenced or affected that they will look into my case. So the family of Teresa Theresa's sister, her niece, Sarah, said that she planned to attend the execution along with her mother, who was her sister, Theresa's sister. She said, quote, A lot of pain and suffering will die with our Bramblett tonight.

Nothing that we are going to see this evening will be any worse than what they what he did to them.

Yeah, his last meal. I love this. He requested no last meal. Do you selfish son of a bitch. How dare he not know? We'd be interested in this later. He he was he does he dinner unselfish coach. Really. You're the most selfish son of a bitch on earth.

He does eat the same dinner as all the other inmates. Sloppy Joes, boiled potatoes, corn and chocolate cake and the dry chocolate cake it I'm sure imagine prison sloppy joes are like those are not good at is slop. It's just sloppy. It's a cone or whatever the fuck. That was viscose.

Hold it together. That's it. April 9th, two thousand three is execution day. Earl Spencer.

Not that we're just gonna celebrate. Yeah, I'm not like I'm not dancing about it, but it's just fucking something I wanted to say in that voice. Execution's it's got enough syllables to sing it. He spent a few hours with his family there and then they bring him out there. It's eighteen hundred volts and there's put them through him. Yeah. They have a key thing. They have to turn his last words, quote, I didn't murder the Hodge's family.

I never murdered anybody. I'm going to go to my death with a clear conscience. I'm going to go to my death having a great life because of my two sons, Mike and Doug.

That's really sad. I got thoughts, James. That's the most fucking whore. That's a lie. And he's convincing himself so that he feels everyone's sitting down. But what a horrible thing to say out loud. Nothing. I mean, what everything. Knowing all the evidence, fucking what a terrible thing to say out loud. Yeah. That's what I'm so fucking causing more pain out of that. That's what he wants to do. This guy's a dickhead.

Well, the niece there, she's the spokesperson for the family. She she says something pretty good here. She says, quote, Mr. Bramblett is a pedophile, a cold, calculated murderer, and he has a deviant appetite for young girls. I do not feel this family massacre was the first murder he ever committed. And if he was ever released, it would not be the last. He's a threat to society, right? We don't know what he's done.

If he if he killed Tammy and Angela in seventy seven between seventy seven and ninety four, he could have. He's a drifter, dude. He was drifting. You know, when you get arrested, James, and you get acquitted and then the next one's you got to make sure there's no witnesses. That's not what he did do. I have goose bumps because he was drifting. Right. He would have been. He could have. It's not just there.

He was everywhere. He'd go off for two weeks to. Own drive in for two weeks, who knows who he left in the desert, in the woods, in a cornfield. Who the fuck knows what this guy has done? It's ridiculous. So, yeah, they said that they were you know, they were lucky. They said that he was lucky that his death wasn't worse. The niece there said, quote, I thought that it was going to be much worse.

I don't want to sound like a horrible person, but what he got was not as bad as what Teresa went through. I really thought he got off light. So the author and that private investigator is Douglas Chandler Graham, and he has a couple of books. He's like fucking 90 years old. And he used to be a cop in Roanoke in the 50s and like was in all sorts of other shit. He knew he never knew the Hodges there need to know the Bramblett either, but I guess they started corresponding at some point.

He has this website. There's this fucking website that's basically here's why Earl's innocent and it is just pages of fucking you know, the police did this and the police did that and they framed him this way and they did it that way.

And he actually is a great guy and he would have never molested any kids. And he told this and it's like multiple kids that he molested them or tried to or something. And he's saying all this shit, I'm not buying it. I don't believe him at all. I'm not fucking buying it. He wrote to Self wrote in Self published to Thinley. They call them thinly fictionalized novels about the case. One is called Smoke and Murders, and it's set in the town of Vinyard instead of Vinton and covers a span from the time of the crime until the beginning of the trial.

And the second book, Three Trailers Down, picks up the trials. And when new intrigue of the case arise and vinyard in the wake of all that shit about three doors down cover band called that.

Here's Smoke and murders. There's Rammasun. Oh, I found it. That's a lot of guns are to point one out of five stars and seventy three percent, one star reviews. So I don't know if that's the family or if the book sucks or what, but I wasn't buying because fuck that guy that is overwhelmingly disapproved of.

And on a serious note, I mean obviously people probably don't. But if some miracle somebody has any information about Angela May or Tammy Lynn Acres, people are still looking for these girls and it's still like some closure on it. You can contact the Roanoke Police Department at five four eight five three twenty to twelve. The case number is seventy seven dash one five nine seven eight. What do you think? That house for an email where that's and do that the house that that he used to live in, probably one hundred sixty grand.

Probably something like that. One hundred fifty grand. I mean should we chip in and destroy it. Is it worth starting off. Go fuck me Ray. That's fucking hell. It's it up. Well I would do that. I would love to. Do we want to do that. I would love to start a go fund that fucking house and let's dig it. I'm going to look into to make sure that no one's already done that and make sure no one's done because I couldn't find it.

And I think that if no one has done that yet, let's try to do that honestly. Let's find out what it is obviously worth. Shit, we do a fucking housing report.

Yeah, well, we'd have to find out what it is, how much it costs if it's owned by someone who wants to sell it and all that sort of shit first. But if it's at all possible, we'll do the research. And if it's possible, we're going to come back and we're going to get a go fund me together. I'm not fucking kidding. Let's buy it. And we are going to buy that fucking house and we are going to destroy it, right?

Well, not to, but we're going to fuck that basement. All right. We're going to find out just to give the goddamn family a second to go, OK? At least they're not there. At least we don't have to know that they might be right in that house. I can't get to them. Would be fucking mind boggling to drive me crazy. So it's driving me crazy now. And I know I'm not there. They're not my kids, that's all.

I mean, there's more evidence they're there than evidence that they're not. That's what I mean. That's the only place they wanted to be a wall up in there. It's that's so fucking weird. So I don't know, man, but that everybody is Vinton. Virginia has one wild ass fucking tale. I got to say, I can't put it any other way at first. Like I said, I didn't wasn't aware of the whole second part of that until I got into it more.

I'm like, oh, no, there's more. He's a terrible man, I guess, and terrible man. And he's dead and he's dead now.

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I want to be right there. I am not going to lie about it lying it. I don't want to do it. Fuxin there. What's that. I want to hide. So anyway, I don't want to find it.

There's no other thing I want to be there and be like fuck, we're six feet deep. There's no way the bodies here.

Yeah exactly. I'd like to not that we want them to be dead. I'd rather both girls ran away from their families and lived nice life.

I want them in the south of France on a beach just like I hope they're like, you know, they'd be almost 60 years old right now. I hope they're like, you know, nearing retirement. And if I really hope that, but I honestly don't think that so. But that said, I also go to shut up and give me murder dotcom for everything, crime and sports and small town murder. Like we said, more information on the violent prisoner, all violent felon edition of The Prisoner Dating Game, it's hard to say that we will be doing as a virtual live show on the twenty ninth.

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Thank you everybody so much. Yeah, and we are really serious about that, by the way. That is, we're going to look into it. I'm going to find out where it is, what house it is, if it's available, if it's been searched. I want to dig it. None of this shit has been done. Let's fucking do it. Yeah, there's enough of us and not even us. There's enough people out there that don't even listen to the show.

Right. That would be probably interested to help in this sort of thing, to find these for closure, for Christ's sake, find the murderers. Let's find the vic, find the victims.

I mean, let's do it, man. I mean, I don't care. It's a little extra work for us, but it seems worth it. So I want to be near the murderer or anyone know. Fuck that guy. So gross. That guy's gross. I don't want to talk to him. So yeah, let's do that.

And how can people get a hold of you if they want to talk to Matt Westermann sucks man sucks on Twitter and Instagram that's all. Were you.

You can find me at Jimmy P is funny. Just copy and paste my name. It's a lot easier. And with that said everybody, it's been a wild week. I can't wait for next week, but for now, everybody until next week.

It's been our pleasure. My. And.