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This week in Golden Valley, Arizona, a friendly gesture turns into something much darker when a plan spins out of control and into the territory of absolute and total brutality. Welcome to small town murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to small town murder.

Oh, yeah, indeed, Jimmy. Yeah, indeed. My name is James Petraglia. I'm here with my co-host, Jimmy Listman. Thank you, folks, again for joining us once more. We are so excited every single week.

One more again. One more again. So excited. Yeah, we're pumped. We are an addition.

And plus and also. And then exactly squared. Let's do this. Yes. Thank you guys for joining us, everybody. This week we do have a crazy show. The next few weeks are bonkers episodes. We just have three. They are always crazy. I'm not going to lie, but the next few are especially strange and weird and heinous and crazy and just a wild buckle up for the net for the end of the twenty twenty. Good. We're going to drive you out of twenty twenty correctly here, god damn it.

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I just saw a name going in my ear or in my eye. Yeah, going through my brain and coming out different. That's what happens. Happens every time. Disclaimer quickly, quickly, quickly here. This is a comedy podcast.

It's a comedy show. The stories are real. Shockingly, you might hear these stories and get the hell out of here. No, they actually all happened exactly like this. We don't make anything up for comedy. You don't have to. That's the thing. And when you're talking about a murder, there's a ton of stuff around it. Think about the idea of let's plan a murder. Yeah, that's crazy. And the dumb stuff you're going to do around that and then to cover it up.

That's funny. I'm sorry that it's stuff. Yeah, decapitating someone isn't funny, but the idea to do it and how to get out of it is hilarious because that is ridiculous. Yeah. So that's kind of where we're at. But we try not to do we go out of our way not to make fun of the victim or the victim's family because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. They're at us. That said, I think it's time to sit back and clear the long you just get into this house.

Now, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this. I can wait. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Well, soon as everybody stays the fuck out. Yeah, let's get out there. And whatever this this isn't far from us, OK? This is good. We we're in Arizona this week, so we could drive here. Oh, no, no big, long trip. We can bubble ourselves off from the world. Golden Valley, Arizona, which sounds wonderful.

Yeah, that sounds like a golden sunset. But as we discussed and ground full gold, it's no, it's just just the showers are the only thing gold in there.

It's a very wasteland. Urine. Yes. That's not a good place to be where we flush it all.

This is one of the more awful places we've ever done. This is by my specialty. I hate Arizona like I hate it here. I fucking I've lived here for twenty three years.

I've despised every second of it, every ugly word. It's fuck every year. I hate it more in this year either. Civically was the hottest year we've ever had. Right. Which is I hate the fucking heat more than any. And then we can't even get out of here. Can't get out of here. Stuck here.

It's awful. Well this is everything. Every bad thing about Arizona is crammed into this one little town. It's awful. Northwestern Arizona panhandle. They're little in their panhandle time. This is meth shacks dotting the land. Yeah, that's what this is. What's that out there? That's a meth shack. You see off the highway a little looks like a little fucking outhouse in the distance, not a shitter. Why would there be a shooter? You could shit in the field nestled up against the the narrow part of the Colorado River?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's awful. Man, this is a terrible place to be. 15 minutes outside Kingman, which Kingman is. It's pretty bad. One of the worst cities in the country, I don't know, probably the world.

How dare they call it a city? That's what I mean. I'm sure maybe there's places in Syria that are worse or something, you know, while they're in the middle of a civil war. But normally, I can't imagine a worse place than Kingman structure in Kingman, I believe is their water tower.

Probably not even a tower. It's one of those flat ones.

I was going to say it's just 10 feet tall, 14 method's on each other's shoulders, making a cheerleader pyramid, holding buckets, tallest structure in the tower and falling on a bucket.

It's awful. Three and a half hours down the Phoenix. Thank God there's a buffer here and about an hour. Forty to Vegas. So not too far from Vegas, either by Loflin, Bullhead City, that area not great.

There are things up there to do. If you're if you're white trash, you're willing to stick it out. If you're if you are hard core white trash, there's things up there. I'm not even going to fucking pull any punches. I'm not. I'm not. It's terrible. It's fucking awful. I've been up there the whole time, you know, that look that I have when someone when they put give me a burger that has grease all over the board.

Brinkley knows that's the entire time I'm up there. I could get out of the car here. Face on the flag. Yeah.

Me shaking my head by the tallest structure in Kingman, Arizona, is a man named Fred. There he is. Yeah. He holds a bucket. They call him the water tower. That's the guy. That's our guy. This is what we're talking about. We know this place, man. We know King. It's often bad, the worst. So, I mean, we're being awful because we know it's true.

It's in Mojave County like the desert does. And that's it's far that.

Oh, man. This place, Golden Valley, is just dust. It's so bad. Area code nine to eight. Seventy nine square miles. Watch this area and not a lot of people in it.

Yeah, it's bad motto. They're very honest. At least I give them that.

Welcome to meth country folks. That's it. It's Marlboro country for the two thousand twenty. Everybody's got a welcome to meth country. Yeah. If you buy a certain amount of meth, you can get meth, miles. You send your meth miles in and you get a fucking kayak. That's how it works for that narrow part of the river. That's yeah. For the little tiny, narrow kink there.

I'll take it up to Loflin and have a good old time. Well, she's everything to stems from Loflin in the state.

It's in the story. In the story in this town. It's very lofland. It's so weird. So apparently there's a lot of confusion of whether it's considered part of Kingman. People think it's part of Kingman, which is not legally valid, because I found this as residents have never voted to be annexed by Kingman and have no voting Kingman's elections. So no representation, none, no taxation without representation people. So they're having a giant meth party. They're going to throw all the meth over into the into the harbor.

Oh, no, they have no water. Throw it off into the dust and then scramble for it.

It's a kid's meth scramble, everybody. It's like an Easter egg hunt for man one giant kid's make make sure to give it to your parents.

Don't keep it for yourself. Golden Valley. Is it part of like the whoever represents that area state wise congressionally is that is whoever's part of Kingman. It's got to be proud of that, I guess. I don't know.

Are they upset by that or are. I think they're fine with it. I think it's a sculpture of Ronald McDonald outside of the highway. McDonald's is their representative up there. I'm pretty sure I'm not positive what they're doing, but it's nothing nothing good. They're up to no good. Jimmy, it's a weird area. The state, not just the country. No, it's discusses. Ah, it's OK. Picture Reno 911. One picture, a picture that except not a city.

Right. Picture that in like a small town of small. That's exactly what this place is exactly. The meth running around dust everywhere. That guy Mike that comes out and hey what are you doing. An arrow through his head and all that fat guy with a dart in his head and the tiny, tiny pool front yard. Exactly. Yeah, that's that's the that's the residence of the mayor of this. Yeah. He's them. He's their congressman.

That's who they elected. He represents there. So some residents live closer to Kingman and some residents live closer to Bullhead City.

So it's kind of teeter between. They teeter between. There's a prison up there, of course, making it even worse. It's Arizona State Prison in Kingman, has an address that's actually in Golden Valley. You know, it says Kingman. And when it was being sold to the residents because they sell these prisons, because this is a for profit prison. Yeah. So they sell these prisons to the residents. You're going to get all these great jobs, we're not going to put anybody terrible in here now, it'll be like people who, you know, have like they have like dyslexia, misread a street sign and who's here, you know what I mean?

The 9/11 terrorists, they said that it would it would they promised it would be, quote, a prison for DUI offenders only. Oh, no. And then later on, due to control of the inmate population problems, the contract for the prison was charged and changed hands since opening. It's now it's a for profit prison operated by Geo Group under contract to hold inmates for the Arizona Department of Corrections. All fucking inmates and everybody murders. Oh, by the way, that has consequences because on July 30 of 2010, three inmates, two of them murderers, one of them an attempted murder, escaped from facility.

And that's in our town. So, I mean, it's not like anybody's going to it's a prison. They don't get out. Right. You just watch Raisen, Arizona, one too many times. I don't know what you're talking about. Shit. They can't get out of there.

And even if they do, one of these is going to drive get few of them out. Now, who's out? How many body parts he take? Oh, Jesus Christ. We're sorry to keep doing the panhandle accent, but if you've ever been to this area, that is the accent. So that's where it comes from. Terrifying.

It's it's this place, guys. There's oh, my God. What's the average number of teeth per person in this area?

I'm not even kidding. You've been up here pretty bad. It's it's. Yeah, we can't tell you how hillbilly this shit is.

People have to stop there because your car won't get all the way to Vegas sometimes on one tank of gas or even if you do on your way back, you've got to stop there to get gas to get back home. And you'll see every time you get out of the car, you'll watch what's happening.

It's only three hours from actual civilization. You get that smells weird. It looks weird. People are strange. Everybody, it's their guanglie. People's eyes are too close together.

There's no water up there. You know, there's like in the landscape, the plants are all dead. There's no reason for humans to set up shop. They're wild except for it being halfway between something and something else. That's it. They set it up so it will live here so people can get gas. That's not a good reason to stop somewhere. So one of them ended up being recaptured a couple of days later after a shootout with a deputy and city police in Rifle, Colorado.

That was a guy named who was he? A guy named Renwick, Daniel Renwick. He was serving 22 years for second degree murder. And so there you go. The other two guys here, let me see, who are these guys? Yeah, they all escaped. This is great. John McCluskey was serving fifteen years for second degree murder, aggravated assault, and Tracy Province, who is serving a life sentence for murder and robbery. Awesome. These are the three guys.

Got the one guy when they got out. They initially kidnapped two semi truck drivers at gunpoint and used their big rigs to fly. Oh, wow. That's how they got away. Watch out out there, truckers. That's this off the road.

Yeah. Fuck, this is terrible. One of them was God made all the way to August 9th and was captured in Meatiest Meeteetse.

Meeteetse, yeah. Jesus Meti Meeteetse, Meeteetse, Wyoming, Meeteetse, Meeteetse, Meeteetse is are smaller than my titties.

Allow me. Tasers are also here today. Meeteetse, Wyoming there. And the third escape and his accomplice cousin cousin were captured near Springerville on August 19th. So they made it all the way to there.

It's not that twenty three. So that's Arizona. That's Arizona, east central Arizona in the White Mountains. So they're shallow. Yeah, they were at a U.S. Forest Service campground, Dummies Dummies. So I found some reviews of this town and a couple that are kinder than others. Let's get to it here. Three stars, Golden Valley is relatively underdeveloped, although there there are there are thousands of people living in this valley.

Many live without the amenities most other Americans take for granted, like, you know, water amenities, like paved roads, streets. I'm telling you, that's an amenity overwhelming an overwhelming majority. The majority of these residents live on dirt roads, some so rough pick up trucks and four wheel drive vehicles are the standard and regular passenger cars are the exception. Those with larger families, five plus over five must haul water, often for miles.

They get the big tank in the car. They have to go. There's no city. Wow. As often as two to four times a week. There's no grocery store, hardware store, bank nor police station. It's all in Kingman or Bullhead City.

So you move. Yeah, what the fuck. Yet these residents choose to live here for the freedom they enjoy.

That's a scary person for the freedom there.

What the fuck? Freedom. You have the freedom to live like an animal. The freedom, James. To go collect my water. The freedom to live like a fucking animal, but an animal and not even in a forest where there's resources, you got a water trailer. That's the freedom to live like a lizard. I feel wonderful with that fucking freedom.

That's not freedom. Freedom. Then he explains the freedoms, freedom. From what I say, he because this is most certainly for freedom from heavy traffic, freedom from too many neighbors that are too close to freedom to look up at night and actually see the stars more than more than three days a year. OK, Golden Valley is also fairly close proximity to the Colorado River Lake, Mojave Lake Mead, both Laughlin and Las Vegas. You can do all of that in a place it's less awful.

There are nice rural locations, really nice rural locations that we've seen that are gorgeous. This isn't one of them.

You know what's nice about not being able to see the stars? The reason I can't see them is because they're street lights illuminating the fucking pavement.

But I mean, wouldn't it be nice to have a streetlight out there on your dirt fucking road? Never been to Maine. It's beautiful. I see the stars like crazy. None of this shit. They have water, they have food or water. Do anything you want. Unbelievable.

Here in New Hampshire, live free or die. Right. So they're fucking stars everywhere. You have to wear a seat and enjoy. So three stars for this one. I used to live in a small city of Golden Valley, Arizona. It was a nice place for people who wanted a little bit more privacy. You could live in a house where your neighbor is far enough, where you feel like you have your whole property by yourself. It was very hot and dry with a nice view of the desert and cactus Cheesus three stars.

This is a one sentence quote. There are a lot of mobile homes out here.

That's the that's scare that's there. So they sure are a lot of mobile. They're waving a flag, making hand signals, going, hey, come on, somebody and someone in my grandparents read this.

Oh, boy, send out some dollar. General usually has whatever you're looking for, but if you need regular groceries, you have to travel to Kingman. That's a three star review for the Dollar General. They're OK with that. They're fine. Two stars. The next one, the only jobs in this area area are at the Dollar General and the Mavericks station. So that Dollar General really plays a large role in the center of their cultural life, their jobs in this place.

Yeah, people eight thousand six hundred ninety four people here, up two hundred thirty two percent since nineteen ninety one.

Just a shitload in Arizona since nineteen ninety has.

But how much. I have no idea what was fact. Anyone lives there. Mostly it's weird. Fifty four percent men. The fuck is. That's usually more women. It's all old people too which makes it even stranger. That it's men doesn't make any sense. The 65 to 74 age group is more than double the average. It's twenty two percent. That's crazy. And it's the older than that's Hayatou and all the kid demos are like one third of the average.

Like they're all low, they're all just rotting to death up there. I don't know what's happening. More married people than normal, smaller household size, because there's older people sort of thing, you know, less single people with no children to watch. I hope they're all old. They don't get it. So the race of this town, mostly white. Eighty three percent white, zero point zero percent black in this town, one point seven percent Asian.

And you going to have eleven point five percent Hispanic. So about the normal Arizona small town, it sounds like. Yeah, except awful. Twenty two point five percent of the people here are religious because if you live there, you know there's no God. You're sure of it all. You if you if you start to like, have visions of maybe there's something beyond me, all you have to do is just pull back the curtain of your trailer there and look outside for a second to go.

Oh, no, no. This is a hell scape. Yeah. There is no God in the closet.

You lay back down in your sweat stained couch and you hope for a quick death and then you realize that the visions that you were having were because you're dehydrated and you need a cup of water and you've had way too much meth in the last three days.

So that's what happens. Religions are spread pretty equally around. There's nobody really that takes a hold in the lead. And religions here was point one percent Jewish.

So interesting. Not a lot of Jewish people here point three percent Islam there. And it's just interesting. We're not going to do politics, obviously, especially not in this place. We will talk about that quickly at the end of the show, not in specifics, but something about us. So high unemployment rate here is about double the rest of the country, which makes sense because, you know, when you're doing that much method's difficult to hold a fucking job down.

Nobody retires from the maverick. That's the other thing. Then there's no why would you go there? I don't know anyway. I don't know. Median household income, usually about fifty seven and a half thousand dollars. Here it is. Thirty three and a half thousand dollars.

So yeah, low. Forty two percent of the households make under thirty thousand dollars a year here.

That's not fair. That is bad. This is not good. Not a not an affluent. Overall here, cost of living, one hundred is regular average in the rest of the country, here it is, eighty six point four, so not even cheap now thing he'd be like, oh, you go out there and live for nothing. No, that's I don't think so. Median home cost, though. Housing is a 60 out of 100 median home cost one hundred and thirty nine thousand one hundred dollars.

Yeah. I wouldn't pay one hundred and thirty nine dollars and ten cents to fucking live there. I'll tell you that for the nicest house you got.

Not sure that there's not many houses there.

I will move to Jacksonville before I move here and we know how I feel about that from last week.

So if you though maybe you don't know, maybe you need the freedom to go get your own water. And if you need that freedom we have for you the Golden Valley, Arizona real estate report.

Your average two bedroom rental here goes for about seven hundred twenty dollars, which is about seven hundred dollars more than it should be. Let's be real 720 for a rent for a two bedroom rental. It's usually about twelve hundred and the rest of the country. But this is a dump. So I found a one bedroom, one bath, seven hundred sixty eight square foot godforsaken, dusty plot. What it's on a it's this little house on this godforsaken plot of dusty land.

This is a one bedroom, one bath sitting alone. Now it's not and it's not the shed. A house looks like a place where you'd have conjugal visits in prison, like they'd have like a bunch of these in a dusty field that looks like it might be a reformed conjugal fuck house. I'm not sure. Eighty five thousand dollars for a for a prison fuck house. Would you like murder semen on your floor. Well, you can have it now.

Let's see here. Two bedroom, two bath. Seventeen hundred sixty square foot two. It's just dust. Two point two acres of dust, loose dust.

A breeze makes clouds so much dust. One hundred and sixty five thousand dollars for that gem. Then I found a three bedroom, four bath.

This is you know, you can sit back and realize the warden here. This is the warden's quarters. Twenty six hundred twenty three square feet, decent but plain house atop a hill of dust. Yeah, that's all it is. Three hundred sixty five thousand dollars.

No, I should be able to get the maverick station for the hell out of here.

Three hundred sixty five thousand dollars. I guarantee you the dollar general doesn't have that much in inventory. No, that's a lot to know who has the on sale because no one is right.

No one's buying. How long's event on the march.

I didn't get cash out for things to do in this town. Obviously, there are some interesting ones. First of all, gold mines. No, we did weird small town shit to do. This was the area, one of the areas where they had like you could go find a gold mine and get a claim and do all that shit. But that's nothing compared to Shine Tober Fest. That was what Shine Tober fest. I saw it. I saw it happen in your brain.

They go that hard on beer tober. I saw your eyes register that they mean moonshine.

Yeah. Yeah it's. And then it says the the header at the website is moonshine motorcycles and mayhem. Oh my God. Think about how much rape happens there. This is disturbing. Pirates dirty fuel. Right. Moonshine. Yeah. Here's here's their pitch. Yeah.

What do you get when you mix a moonshine festival with a chili cook off? First of all, you get fucked up porta potties. Oh my God. You try to give yourself an enema.

You know what you get? You get dead. You get out there in the heat. Right? Zohan and Chili Cook off ride in motorcycle and rat show like those rat show nightly campfire parties and on site camping mix in a handful of arts and crafts vendors selling amazing handmade, homemade, unique items. And you get shine tober facts. Holy shit. It's an annual festival held in October at the Saddle Sore Ranch off Route 66 in Mojave County. That's disgusting.

It's discussed. This whole thing is discussed with the bar. Yeah, the saddle. Sorry. Yeah, everything has to do with your tank will be sore when you leave here for one reason or another that goes to goddamn Sturgis is a pussy. Yeah, that's what we said. Yeah, that's what it is. They use condoms. Sturgis. Yeah. You got your fucking smash mouth concert. Enjoy your blessings. Oh I am pussies. We got Revel's three day camp out featuring live entertainment games, activities, vendors, bonfires, campfire parties, contests, the chili cook off and more camping camp out.

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Like somebody get this map to law enforcement. Oh my God. Is it a host location? Saddle sore ranch offers Ted camping, cage parking and a limited number of RV and camper spots. However, as we say at the ranch, quote, Our only hookups are between consenting adults.

What the fuck?

What they're saying, James, is there's no electricity and no sewer. You know what else they have? They have the world's largest outdoor stripper pole, Jimmy. That's it. They have this is the white trash thing I've ever seen. And now, you know, the tallest structure in Kingman, that's the stripper pole.

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Gross. It says this on a website is a fuck fest. This is a disgusting old person. Yes, gross. Three day everyone's got silly shits all over them with no showers fucking each other in a sweaty tent fixer's as they go to that disgusting holy shell. What are you up to? Nobody worse than the van and people awful. Also, there's a place if that's not shocking enough.

Yeah, there's a festival called Shock Fest. What is this?

I will give you one and only one guess as to who the musical headliner is.

Shocked. Shocked that I walk AC DC. No, no, no, no. That's way too big. And the only thing I can think of like white trash is oh boy thing you said. Nope.

What is it.

Boy Kid Rock. It's an insane clown posse of course. Come on Vlad. Shock shock fest.

That was my next guest there, joined by Tila Tequila, Mad Child, Mushroom Head and Jelly Roll. Yeah. Oh, Jelly Roll is great. He's amazing. You can go up and sit in the fucking desert and watch him for he's above this now. Well, when was that. This is this year. Oh Mike, don't play this. Julio, don't back out of this guy is the headliner.

There he is. Jelly roll. God damn it, jelly roll that sad clock. I don't know what's sad or him playing there. You being disappointed about my crime rate in this town is a big fat hillbilly.

The rats on his face tattoo. That sounds like the right place. That's exactly where I should be at the shock fest with the ICP. Doesn't differences these talents with the way you described him. Sounded like you're like, well, where's the part he doesn't belong. Yeah. How does this happen?

And what's your read Shakespeare in between his fucking songs or what's going on here of evil? He belongs crime rate in this town.

Property crime is almost double dealing meth. Yeah, man is almost double violent crime, murder, rape, robbery and assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about fifty percent high as well as places so dangerous, said meth. Yeah. Not only is it dangerous, it's also a place to pass through. Right. Which is traditionally throughout time that's been now that's a good place to murder. That's happens all the time off of freeways. How many different serial killers have they mapped on a freeway?

It happens constantly prior to that.

Pirates port is where you do damn exactly. Route sixty six. This is on, you know what I mean? And get on. Get out. This is the same type of shit. So here it is. Let's talk about a murder. Oh my goodness. This is just a crazy ass thing that happened here. This is we're going to go back to nineteen ninety six, not too far back. This is actually right before I moved to Arizona.

Really. Yeah. Ninety seven. I was there.

This was just as bad. I'm sure the kids really sunburned. They're already awful with half a finger and sunburn. Perfect. Arizona had already made you its top today. Already made you a native son, a sunburned, half a fingered kid and unfortunate son that is clear that have been abused. That's Arizona. There he is. He'll walk it off. That should be a fucking terrible shot, Dave.

Yeah. Jesus. So nineteen ninety six. We'll talk about a couple of people here. First of all, let's concentrate on Lida Kagan now. Lida, leaders in her 30s here.

She's about thirty seven years old and she has a husband who they have had so on and off relationship.

Very strange for a married couple. But like he lives with her for a little while, then he doesn't. Then he comes back and but it's not a contentious issue. Like, it's not a they don't fight. There's no domestic violence.

There's no like just or she lets him leave him. She makes him. I don't know what it is. It's it's yeah. If it's an agreement that he takes off for a while or if that's what they've come to, I don't know what. How their story is of their arrangement, but they seem to get along. That's all we know. People seem to say they get along. Everybody's fine here. She has a 14 year old son also that lives with them named Robert Delahunt.

He lives there as well. And they all live together in Golden Valley. How they got there is a is a tragedy at best.

Really? Basically.

Yeah, it's a bad year. Nineteen ninety six for leader. She's having a very tough year. At the beginning of the year before that she was a cook at a restaurant and had a house in Kingman and was taking care of her son.

And you know, everything was going fine until she loses her job as a as a as a line cook in a restaurant when her arm was crushed in a fall. Oh, no. So I don't know if it was at work or off the job or whatever it was, but I'm crushed. Her arm was crushed, fucked it up, and she couldn't prepare food anymore.

Thought like, is there a machine called a fall that took her arm? So I mean, I don't know if she fell on something or if something fell on her. A hard fall. It's I'm not positive. But either way, crushed are hard to cook with a crushed arm, essentially. So then she the home that she had in Kingman, burned to the ground after she crushed her arm. So now she's unemployed with a crushed arm. And everything that she has has been burned to the ground.

So. And Def Leppard already has a drummer. Yeah. That's you're not going to get a job. It's going tough going in the 90s for you there. It's no good. Def Leppard is out of style anyway. You got to have to drop. Yeah. In the 90s. Photograph is over. That's what I'm saying. That way. Yeah. You one arm drummer in the 90s would have just been like even if they were a great drummer, they would have been like that, that's all.

But I just have one arm. I can't help it. Yeah, but sorry man. It's you get another one. The whole deal. It's like, it's like if you had big hair it's not going to work anymore. I'm sorry, but I, I'm really good. Right. Sorry. Sorry. So for this is so bad. During the summer of nineteen ninety five Jesus Christ Kagin and on and off her husband I hope for his sake mostly off but on and off.

Her husband and her and her son at this point lived in a tent.

Oh no. In the desert. Oh no. In the summer she's got to wake up. Look at her one arm. Remember that her house burned down and she lost her job. And now I'm in a coalmine. Now I'm in a coal in this summer. Oh, my. You know, how did it, you know, hot there.

It's it's it's hot. Hot as it is hotter, I think up there. I think you're right, because bullhead cities like the high for the country, half the time it'll be one hundred and twenty two degrees up there. So it's, it's hot, mannerable and to be up there too, not for nothing. But in the summertime it is scorpions and rattlesnakes and all sorts of shit in the desert at night. I would not want to be in a fucking tent in the desert at night.

I would not. That is frightening. Yeah you are. Something's going to try to get in there, like there's no doubt about it.

And if you go, there's something out there is going to try to pick you up and take you off. Yeah. Or run right in. Open the door. So you are screwed like this is this sounds like the most awful thing in the world. Dangerous. And then it got worse. Boy, their car died as well. So before that they at least had a car. Yeah. And then their car died.

So yeah. The world is against you at this point. Yeah. Now you're you're sitting there with a crushed arm. No job. A fourteen year old. A dead car. Yeah. With nothing. No money in a tent in the desert in this guy comes back every three months. Yeah. Like what do you even have.

This is what I mean.

This is to the point where I don't have I don't know if I have this kind of resilience. You know, I'm a kind of a depressive person in general. I don't know if I could if I wouldn't just be like, well, that's that's about as far as I can go here. I think I've I've I've played the hand out as long as I can go. I think I think I've left the world enough. That's I mean, I can't do it.

I am as out like. Yeah, I don't know what you don't even know how you buy food.

You're just fucked depending on the kindness of strangers to give her food and people. And it's just it's brutal. And this is a horrible way to live. Finally, after the summer, a woman from Kingman took pity on them. Thank God, Jesus, somebody I think somebody would help this woman and her son. She's got a kid. I pity, but I get it.

That's well, yeah, but still it's I mean some some point pities all you got to. Yeah.

But I mean a pity or whatever the fuck it is, who cares what sort of help at some point just some human help go.

Hey look, you know, here's a lifeline of some kind here, you know, survive. You can't be surviving out there. That's no way for a kid to live either, obviously. Yeah. They can't help is a fourteen year old kid. It's like he can go get a job now. Like, it's like, well, I don't see you helping out like I'm fourteen. He's probably not going to school. Right. It's my job is to do homework and on and off.

He's he's always described as very unkempt. He's just like a dirty he lives in the desert. He's a desert child. He doesn't know where to pave. I feel your body, you know, there's nowhere to bathe. There's nowhere to do anything. It's. Almost essentially in the desert, which is worse than being homeless in the city might be, it is. I mean, it's worse than being homeless really anywhere it is. I think it is.

At least in the city, there's a dumpster, the shade. I mean, I'm not saying that it's good to eat out of a dumpster, but you know me, I give money to fucking homeless people.

I hate seeing homeless people. Like, I just I don't I don't like seeing people suffer, especially like that. I have a thing about food, OK? It's just a thing. You're Italian. Yeah, I was raised. You have no idea. I'm like, my grandmother's crazy with the food and like, the food's the most important thing it is. And she just pushes it on to everybody in the water. Yeah, right.

But to them, never mind water. It's that's that's secondary. It's in there. Yes. It's all moist. Don't worry about it. That's how they are. Noodles have been in it. Just eat it. Just moisten right up. Don't worry about it. Tomatoes are mostly water. It's fine. Olive oil sticks around longer. It's good. Yeah. They'll cut your stomach. Don't worry about it. Comes out of your poor slower to slower persevere.

You persevere. But it's true. Like my grandmother could never see anybody hungry if she's, you know, if there was a homeless person and she had food, she'd be, oh my God, take the food like she can't. It's just something about food. People need to have food. Maybe it's because I've always had food forced on me.

And it's also they've been through the war and they know what it's like to not have it.

Well, that's the thing for her. I get it, man. She grew up fucking, you know, under a fascist Mussolini and fucking Italy and then World War Two happened and then lived under the Nazi invasion for fucking however many years, rationed food or no food at all.

So I'm waiting in lines for eating in line. And then you have it plentifully. You've got to make sure everybody, the men have to hide in the mouth, too. So the girls have to attend the farms and shit. But then they also have to hide in the fields so they don't get raped by the Nazi soldiers. It was a real fucking precarious time period. So is it more tragedy to lose a batch of food to mold or spoil than lose a child?

It was it was because kids come and go, but that food could be controlled. You can't control whether your kid dies or some weird disease in the thirties in Italy, but you could control eating. So, yeah, the food was a big deal.

So, I mean, yeah, she never threw a goddamn thing out. You you ate everything and she's the cheapest woman alive. But I get why. Yeah. You know, that's why. So this I imagine I couldn't imagine seeing a mother and son out there and I would be like, take whatever you can take even I don't care if she's a crackhead and they're not. But I mean, even if they were, I don't give a shit.

That doesn't matter. They're still human beings. There's still people got to eat. It's crazy. I'm I love giving people food sources. Delicious. I take it I'd be so here I it's such a great job. I'm telling you, I love it. You got to compliment me. You're going to fucking love it. So they offer this woman in Kingman, offers her and her son Leda and Robert the use of that. I say, Robert, I meant I didn't mean no.

Yeah, Robert, Robert Dylan, I'm sorry. Uses the offers them the use of a double wide trailer. Fantastic. That has seen better days. Yeah. But it's too it's it's pretty. It's bad. It's bad. It's more shelter than a tent. Right. But it's not terrific. It's the things inside. It's Golden Valley. It's in there. No air conditioning, no running water floors rotting out holes in it everywhere.

Tent to. Yeah. And apparently once she moves in and everything that will be dog and cat shit scattered throughout this thing as well.

What it's a nightmare. Think about what a nightmare that sounds. I'm living in that she didn't have the cats and dogs and the like when she got in there. They were already there.

It was there. And then there's more when she gets there. So it's there just it's not it's not capped, man. It's there's holes in the floor. It's still a tough life. It's a this is brutal. This is got a long way. Just a bigger tent is what this is. It's all it is, except with holes in at least a tent zips up. This has holes in the fucking floor. Things can get in and out.

So this is rough. This is rough going.

Now, she's a really nice woman, though. Everybody has nothing but nice things to say about Leda. They're just like, what a hard luck case because she works. She was working, doing well, had a job like it's not if you fall and injure yourself and then your house burns down. Those are two things you cannot control and that can really fuck your life up without one bit of your own input. So that's rough. That's not like, well, she'd made a bad decision or a bad choice.

That's just shit. She should be struck by lightning. And, you know, it'd be better luck than this. I don't know, man. So she would take in stray dogs and cats all the time, which is how were shit scattered everywhere.

And also people she'd taken stray people and dogs and cats. And she's just like a kind person that would let anybody do anything. That's what he's like to be lost. And that's the thing. And she tries to help others. And she's a kind person. I mean, just a kind person. So anybody that would kind of drift by she would take them in for a couple days. She even adopted a she filled out a form to adopt a wild burro from the federal government that had plans to take in.

She wanted to get a wild burro, the donkey, apparently. Yes.

And she wanted to take in potbelly pigs and geese to live in the on the property.

Oh, my God. Why? I don't know.

This property is a shitty beat up, double wide trailer with holes in the floor, no air conditioning, running water and catch it everywhere. That's that's the main house.

Then there's a travel trailer that looks like it hasn't been there a while, hasn't traveled in decades. It's a stationary trailer now, but it's one of those little weird. It's traveled and then a bunch of rusty car frames like frames, like in a junkyard from the from the 30s you'd see like rusted car frames. And somebody gave this to her. Just they're letting her stay. That's what they're letting her stay there for as long as she needs. But she wants to fill out paperwork to adopt things on a property.

Stay there. It's an oh, my God, this isn't a place you stay, you know?

I mean, it's free, but it's free for a reason. It's also free to live on the sidewalk. It's also free to live in the park or in the desert or somewhere like that. It's it's a shithole. That's why it's free. Right. Because nobody else wants it. But it's cheap. Exactly.

So, I mean, there it is. So one of her friends here from Kingman said, quote, Lita would rather go out and sleep under a railroad bridge herself than not taking them, not taken stray people and animals. Usually she had a good karma about it, but this time she made a really bad mistake. So coming here and the whole thing, but that's how she was. She would sleep on the floor so some stranger she met could take her bed.

That is ridiculous. Yeah, she's some sort of weird, like, biblical figure. It's strange. Let's not give him my bed away. No, she's like uncannily kind in a weird, like, almost psychologically damaged way rather than kind. But that kindness is almost a sickness. Yeah, it's a detriment to yourself. That's what I mean. It's not a bad thing.

Oh, it's it's it's going to hurt the outgoing and charitable.

But when it's when it's this is self-centered ruining your life. Yeah. Yeah. That's for a while. It's self sabotage. It's the same thing as doing self sabotage to yourself. That's obvious. If you're hurting yourself, just helping others, you're just finding an excuse sometimes to be yourself.

Yeah. Plaint Scratchie tickets. At least there's a possibility of a no payoff. And somebody your bed. No, no.

But I mean I guess if you're working at karma, like I said. Yeah. If you're that much believing in karma, you're putting your money where your mouth is. You know, if it karma or if you're that much I'm a religious person or whatever, and you're saying with my kindness is going to pay off and I don't know. I can't think like that. And I don't have that in me. I'm not that's just not the way my brain works, but do my best to be as kind as possible.

No, I don't. Yeah, I just put food out of my kid's mouth, but I mean, not for that reason.

I don't have like, if I do some crazy shit, there's going to be karma or or reward in the next life or in the afterlife. I'm just I know I don't see any of that for that moment. Yeah. I just feel bad for people and it makes my stomach feel gross and then I need to do so. It's that it has nothing to do. It's that fucking visceral of it.

I'm a literal piece of shit. Yeah. I feel bad this moment. I'm going to be nice. I don't feel good. Yeah. This person looking at that makes me not feel good about myself and I need the help of them and that's. Yeah. I don't know, I like that. That's not better or worse. It's just the only reason I do it. It's a physical reaction. I feel gross. Here take this. Oh no, no.

That's his positive point. Like oh my God, that's horrible. I can't look at that being that horrible. No, I just know I feel I feel like I have a weird empathy man. And so I have a weird thing. I'm a dick a lot, you know that.

And I try to whatever. But I have a weird, weird empathy that, like, things bother me for like but financially, you got to understand that given that homeless guy. Twenty bucks is not fixing it. No, no, no. That's right back. No. Oh absolutely. But I mean for a half hour he might feel better, you know what I'm saying. That's all I know. I can't fucking fix the world. Let me go.

And that's what I'm saying. No, I know I can't fix the world, but I can make somebody happy for that night. So I look at it like that. Like that dude's going to have a much better night if I give him twenty bucks and if he's like freezing on the street, nobody's giving him shit. So that's the way I look at it. Like that's all I can affect right now. Yeah. I don't have resources or anything, but here's our platform.

Help people who are in need, like that's what I can do. But outside of that now that's on you. I can't come to your house to make it do it.

So I'm going to give you coffee at Starbucks the other day and the lady in front of you paid for mine. Mine was two seventy nine. Then I was like, oh, that was so nice. What's the person behind me got in the 1860? I was like, I'm not trading on two dollar cup of coffee for their eighteen dollars. All this greedy fuck this greedy asshole behind me with eighteen dollars. They probably got that. Then I'm going to know, you know, what was going on.

He was in cahoots with the lady in. Think about that shit. Think about that. That's what the fuck that's a scam like this guy. No way. That's a total scam that you could do. I would. That's a total scam on Corian. Let somebody get you and hidden behind you.

Look at you. Where? In your work truck. Yeah. They knew you were buying a coffee for you, not for anybody else. They knew that shit. They they they fucking double ended up their book in a book, ended your ass book, handed me 20 dollars and the jacket I threw it going. I'm like, I'm not doing that. That's crazy. Right. In the Starbucks. Yeah. I wouldn't do it either. I was like, no, I'm like, yeah.

Oh this is good. It's a free coffee.

And then I win right about the one two cars back. What do I got. How about that. How far back down the line. I got to go back to get below a large target. Somebody with just like a plain hot chocolate. But I got that. Who's got the small that everybody wants.

The guy wants nothing fancy in there. Please, no squirts, no sprinkles or anything. Just that guy cream squirts or sprinkles on a Starbucks line.

You're not finding that person. Not the only one. You're the guy. I'm the only guy.

It's not a seventy five asking for a small black coffee. Just a couple of creams. Just didn't want to make it at all. It's a couple of half and half ass in there. I'll pay for that. One is the closest one to his house. Oh man.

So April of nineteen ninety six she's in this trailer and she's in there with her son and they come across a particular young man. He is, it's in Loflin. They seem to be back and forth the loflin a lot for some reason. And they find a young man in Loflin who's nineteen years old and homeless on the streets of Loflin. And of course she is drawn right to this person and her son and everything. So her son is the one who finds him and befriends him.

The fourteen year old, he brings them to the mom and I found my friend here. He doesn't have anywhere to stay. Can he come home with us? Basically found a lost puppy here. And the mom goes, of course he can. He's on the streets. He's homeless. Yeah, we can't have that. He's just a kid. So they do. They take him back to Golden Valley, although he's not a kid, he's nineteen.

That's a man. He can he can get a job that's different.

Robert is his name. Stop his name. And I repeat, is Robert's poison.

Boy. Oh, boy, he. Oh yes. Oh. And Poison still spells it. His name is Poison.

Jimmy, have we had a fucking up. His name is Poison. This is ridiculous. In a movie ago. Go well we can't call one of the characters poisoned.

That's going to people are going to think something like cancer. Yeah not well. No he's well now he's terrible in narcos, one of the worst hitmen in the Colombian cartel. They're in a car and and Pablo's crew was named fucking poison. That was his name. It's a bad guy. The bad guy is shot like was like yelling at people to shoot babies. Good lawyers go and shoot that baby. And he's like, why we don't have to shoot the baby?

Because next to me. Deusen Yeah, my name is Poison Idiot. Are you stupid? What do you think?

You're a jackass and I'm not Bret Michaels. No Rose, no Thawne. Kill the baby. No, but I am armed, so shoot the baby in the face. All right. That was that's that's a terrible, terrible sexist. But it is funny for some reason, Larry, because. How long have you ever heard those words before? That's why I put to shoot the baby in the face. It's very rare. Even if someone was telling someone to shoot a baby.

Right. Let's be realistic. That's as horrible as it is you. It's a baby. It's a very small target area. You wouldn't have to specify in the face. Probably anywhere you shoot, it would be pretty close to the face enough. I would say, you know, shoot the baby in the face is extra like existing. That's still it. Wow. OK, that's the name of the episode. Shoot the baby in the face. No, it's not.

No one would listen to it. That's terrible.

Flawed. We'll wait for next week's baby shot in the face. This is awful. She can't get on with.

So Robert has had some problems, as you might imagine, as one of the few ways you end up homeless at 19, no matter how bad your family is. Still, you've had to have some issues you contributed. Something has had to happen. He has committed several problems, offenses in the past.

He's had burglaries, assaults. He served time in a detention center. He he's from Nevada. He spent a lot of time in jackpot. Yeah, he has jackpot. Nevada jackpot. Didn't we do a place called Jack? I don't think we did. But the we talked about Jack.

We have close there's a north that's over by Reno, I think maybe up there.

He served stretches of time in the Nevada Youth Training Center for Boys in Elko, the Caliente, Nevada Youth Center, and from ninety two to ninety four, the Idaho Department of Juvenile Correction Center and St. Anthony.

OK. And he's 19, he's not, and he was released when he turned 18. That's why they released him from juvenile custody. That's what he was. His sentence was until he is 18. So, I mean, essentially, he's been just in because ninety two to ninety four, he's nineteen and ninety six. So I mean, Jesus Christ seventeen was ninety two to ninety four so 15 before. And so basically from like 14, 18, he's just been locked up most of the time for various offenses and then he's 18, released and has nowhere to go.

Obviously probably a terrible family if that was his childhood anyway. Right. And then in addition to that, he's 18 and he's on his own on the streets, puch him out into Loflin set and he just wanders down the loflin because that's people go where if you're homeless, it's easier to go where people are.

Yeah, there's people, there's money, there's food, there's things gambling. So people give you cash. It's I mean, someone has a good night. They see you. They're going to throw you some cash or you're going to get lucky. In Vegas, I've seen people give people give homeless guys hundreds of dollars in Vegas, just like I like.

And that's what I did. Yeah. Literally throw people hundreds and guys hands.

They go fucking cartwheeling away. It's crazy.

But all of a sudden they're able bodied. Yeah. Hey, you know. Well, I've seen them more like they're there. They look like they have health issues. Yeah. And they're given a large bit of money. The fucking adrenaline. Yeah. Adrenalin. Adrenaline will do that to what happened if you gave the guy a job, that's probably cartwheel.

I think going into a backflip maybe. I'm not sure.

So he he's had a lot of problems. Like we said here, he lives there for a while, like we say, moved in in April of nineteen ninety six. He lives there for a few months and you know, he's not doing anything. It's not like there's work here to be had there anything like that.

So he's just sitting in the trailer with the three of them sitting in the trailer through as the summer comes to bake in a desert trailer, you know, NoDoz and AC, no AC, no swamp cooler, no nothing. I mean, there's nothing there. It's just a trailer sitting in the desert not hooked up to shit. Oh, my God. So we're talking shit bucket people. Yeah, there is a multiple bucket situation going on right now.

That one there's for open. Yeah. That one's for your up. Don't mix them.

I assume everyone's got their own bucket, the rehydrate it and then it smells and then it's just cos you got to put it out in the sun so it done petrified.

You want to turn it into like rock poop. You got a real bacon out there and then you just fling it, you skip it like a stone. We could use it for firewood later.

So he ends the lock on the fire but no longer.

Hold on. I'm almost done. I ain't much in the last couple of days. I know what you are. I was at the chili cook off. I lost most of it there.

I much of a love between the Everclear and a chili. I done been cleaned out and then whatever I got from that guy that wandered into my business, I said, oh man. Just wanders into your tent.

The old man. Yeah, old lady. Old man got lost. Virginities aren't a problem. I don't know what the hell's going on. And there was more shit to talk about. We've run out of time, but I wanted to get to make fun of Insane Clown Posse as well. Obviously. Obviously, I have to get to that area. So, yeah, he ends up meeting a couple of people in Loflin Young Frank Poison. Can't believe Robert poisoned Rono.

Robert dropped on the wrong name, Robert.

So Robert and Robert Poisoned and Delahunt. Yes. At least poison is not as really hard to forget. That's good.

So he meets in Loflin, a couple of other people that have had some problems here and we'll find out how they got there. They are Frank Windfield Anderson. He is forty eight years old and his companion is Kimberly Lane, who is and I'll say this clearly because forty eight thousand fourteen oh, boy. So we won't say what that is at the moment. Maybe they're just maybe it's a it's a mentorship. Maybe it's our uncle or grandfather we don't know yet.

Could be your grandfather. So on August 10th, nineteen ninety six, they were hitchhiking in Las Vegas. Yeah. And picked up by a man who knew Delahunt who knew this, knew Leader Kagin. So this is how this works. And their story is a bit of a trip to I'll tell you in a minute how they got there, but they meet them there. I think it was Lita's husband who actually met them, who actually was the first to make contact with them, Eliot.

And one of his on stent's. Sure. He ends up being gone after this, though. He, Anderson, told the Kagan's that he was Kimberly's father. That's what he said. This is my daughter, Kimberly. You know, we've had some hard luck. We're on the road, you know the story. But Kagin Elliott Kagan said, quote, I had a bad feel about the whole thing because they sure seem to be touching each other a lot each.

This has a real cousin adhering to it here. It's just very cousin that says I'm the best dad that he says. On the best, everybody gets their daddy's best girl, Jenna Maroney, young Jenna Maroney, Foxx, man, I never realized, never put it together until I saw vacation like two years ago. And it's fucking Jenna.

Holy shit. Wow. It's really impressive.

She did a great job. Yeah, she was great. She's been funny for that ever since for 40 years. It's good for her.

So, yeah, she actually the real deal there is Kimberly Lane had been Anderson's next door neighbor, Frank Winfield, Anderson's next door neighbor. So in a seedy trailer park in Lancaster, California, north of L.A., white trash. It's bad. It's trash, pure trash, especially, you know, it's just trash, trash, trash. And there's Shela, 14 year old, living next door to a 48 year old. He moved there after serving four months in jail, of course, for trying to have financial records burned at a previous trailer park that he managed.

So he was he's off. He's scamming a trailer park. He's a seasoned trailer park professional. He is. He does not.

He's like a house. What's that? Oh, you mean. Oh, like, well, you should take it off the ground. Yeah. Maybe put some wheels on and you'll have something there.

Yeah. He's Mr. Johnny Trailer Park over here. Frank is so. Wow. That's a sad reason to go to jail.

Maybe the saddest I was going to say, apart from I mean there's obviously real downtrodden. Oh. But that is just if if you announce that somebody. Why are you.

Exactly. Exactly. That's exactly what I was going to do, because I scammed a trail of a cell block.

And you know what?

You went for a man and he's like, did some shit like Ponzi scheme on Winnebago's robbed some other guy's like, I did a home invasion, robbed a family.

I killed a little girl. Didn't mean to.

But, you know, she would talk about the baby in the face, wouldn't shut the fuck up. A boy was like, shoot the baby in the face. And I was like, you know, adrenaline got to me and I fucking I did it. Man shot the baby in the face, you know what I mean? So I'm in here for that. What are you in here for? He's like, well, here's what I did.

I took a match and I set fire to the records of the trailer park because I'm the who was that motherfucker? You set fire to a whole trailer park. You manage, man, that's cold blooded, man. Probably kill more babies than me.

Probably just the paperwork and financial crime I got. What do you say?

Make it over there for let me rape you right now. Let's go.

You telling me that you stole Lotfy? Yeah. What are you talking about, using HOA fees for your own devices. What's happening here with you. You buy a fucking golf cart. Yeah. Unauthorized golf cart purchase. What's happening out. So he burned. This is I mean, this is the most stupid stupidest thing I've ever heard of going to jail.

But he's upped the ante, it sounds like. Yeah, well.

And then he gets out of jail for that. Moves in next door to this family was a 14 year old girl who he quickly becomes romantically involved in. That's up in the ante for Tina.

Well, he was embarrassed by the by the non-structural. I guess she was impressed by you just got out of jail pool and he was like, yeah, man, I'm tough.

Wait till the boys on the block here. Oh, yes. They have impressed that I can get I can pull it.

Wow. This is disturbing. So they become involved and they say this this this men's you remember forty eight. OK, they sneak away on foot in the middle of the night, you know, run away like a fourteen year old troubled girl does who's coming from a shitty family. I could see her running away in the night, but forty eight year old men don't have to run away in the night. They can leave at any time of the day with their suitcase in plain sight.

Because you're an adult, sir. But if you're running away with your romantically involved ninth grader, maybe not.

Jesus, let's probably ninth grade mean she passed every grade coming from this environment. Eighth at best. At best. Eighth grader.

Wow, that is fucked up. Oh, my.

OK, we're not even close to forty eight years old. OK, now, right now at your age, imagine a fourteen year old being romantically interested in you. Not like. Oh no. What's wrong with you. We need to get you to like the best. Are you ok. Like she needs a doctor or like somebody to talk to. We gonna get you out. Your parents, are you OK? And to somewhere safer. Who's doing stuff to you?

Not my house. What did your dad do to you? Like I would have a lot of questions that I would want you. No supervision while she answer because I don't want to be in the same room with a chick that's got a young girl who's got desires and things that like, you know, because you could get in trouble and they could say things happen.

Yeah, shit happens. I don't want to be near her big. Based on the fact that false allegations don't talk to me anymore, I don't talk to anybody at the police, I don't talk to other people's children, I'm not doing it unless you're standing right there. I'm not talking to your children just in case you never know.

I'm not still in the last because I don't get it, man. I don't get what the fuck a 48 year old man could possibly see in a 14 year old girl to want to not see them as a child that you're supposed to protect and to see them as a sexual object is bonkers to me. That's a child and the legalities of it, because the number that they set in the first year, that doesn't even matter. And this is four years much younger than that.

There's no way that's not even a matter of legality. It's a matter of if you talk to a father of a 13 year old son and I you know, I've talked to I remember when my daughter was 14, she had fourteen year old friends and they're not adults.

That's not you wouldn't think of them next year. No. You think of them as children. I'm thinking I'm thinking of them as seven year olds and they're fourteen. Never mind. Like I just out of my ten years from now, Jimi, imagine you're like yeah my son is two years away from that age, disturbed.

And yet the other day I cried in the grocery stores. I bought man soap for him because he's in the point where like he can't wash his armpits wisoff he's got he needs and even still that like buying him an adult thing.

I'm like, he's not an adult. This is fucking weird. It is terrible because my kids do grown up to be a baby. That's a fucking child. Exactly. And it's hard to comprehend. This guy is like, I'm going to have sex with that. Oh, my God. And run away in the night, which is just gross, man. So, OK, they run away in the night, which I'm just disturbed about. And he told her that he was a big shot mafia guy.

Yeah, that's what he told her.

So they're usually they're usually after an hour outside of L.A. and a seedy trailer park just getting out of fucking county. That's where they usually are having sex with 14 year olds and going on the run with them, because that's what Mafia guys do. That's what got he got put away for his very sad to Al Capone. That's what he went down for eventually. The only way a Mafia guy does that shit is right before his army of kapos fucking kill him in the murder him.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. This is the shit that Mafia guys have people disembowelled for. You know what I mean? He did what little guy fucking we're going to do. Yeah.

Could find his fucking intestines draped over a lamppost, his own dick in his mouth. Yeah, exactly.

So he said that he was going to. Oh my God. I don't know. He said he was going to take her to Kentucky. Of course it was. Why do you think they're going to Kentucky so we could get married so we can get ourselves hitched? Oh, Kentucky, change your fucking laws if that's legal. Kentucky. Oh, I'm going to speak to you. I mean, it's just Kentucky now.

It's just you don't look around and it's not just me. And you can tell. Are you listening? Eyes right here. Eyes on here. Yeah, that's right. Kentucky, me and you. Let me tell you something.

People are coming from far and wide. To legally fuck teenagers in your state, the lease is not what tourism is.

Oh, I get that. That's a stream of tourism. I understand there's not much else will be for the Kentucky Derby. Only one fucking day or. I get it. I understand. OK. Oh, Louisville can only play so many home games. Understood.

Put some money in the alley museum. It's wonderful. Jesus Christ. Please change it. So imagine being the magnet for underaged marriage aspirations.

Any place that's the the the lowest age should always be upping it.

I mean, we're one. We're the ones now. Jesus Christ. We're twenty five. Yeah. We got a raise. It's twenty five. It's now twenty six. Sorry. Ever slower than that. You know sex before menopause. Really. We can't have it. Once you're shutting down then you can start doing it and otherwise we're not sure the numbers are arbitrary anyway. It's disgusting. And men not while you can you can't have sex before your first prostate exam.

You need to have a prostate exam fully. Once you're of that certain age, then feel free to blow away. We're sorry. We have to air on the side of caution here. Absolutely. People are coming with fucking eighth graders to marry a man. This isn't OK. It's horrible. He told her that they would get married and she would be at that point anointed a, quote, mafia god daughter. Oh, boy.

So that's why she's down with this. He's going to this is going to be she's going to be his mafia. I don't know what's happening. If you can be convinced that you shouldn't be fucking anybody know her child? Yeah, you can. She I can if you can be convinced of anything of that sort she expected.

Yeah. Probably two to three years before this expected a large bunny to bring her chocolate. I think about that very short right. Time period. Yeah. Just recently he was over forty five and she was still expecting a giant rabbit to deliver her chocolate December twenty four. She's thinking about the past fifty weeks and her behavior.

Exactly. Exactly. Not where it is to legally marry a fucking teenager.

What's happening.

Holy fuck this is good bye. I can't even with this vihara of these people, man. So yeah, they end up, they take off. They made it as far as southern Las Vegas or southern Nevada before running out of money. Fifty fifty miles. Yeah. They were going all the way to Canada. How did you think you were going to get to Kentucky when you didn't even get you got one state, you drove forty five minutes out of money.

Well, shit that was. And expect that dollar twenty five a gallon. How we going make it so. Forty bucks. What did he think was going to happen when he thought how he was going to get. That seems like a way miscalculation that he didn't carry the one somewhere so he missed the decimal for sure. He looked at his bank account goes for thousand dollars can make it. Oh for all those forty. Oh shit. All right. I should have learned damn dyslexia again.

Yeah, he was the same dollars and cents. It's not like he made it to like Missouri. No. And they were like, oh, they miscalculated by a state because they're not that bright and something was more expensive and whatever.

They barely got out of the state. There's no he's out. He's out. So then once they met, they were hitchhiking in Vegas and that's when they met a guy who once rented a room from Lita in Kingman.

So he sent them to the trailer in Golden Valley, dropped them off in Golden Valley and said to go find the trailer with the rusted car frames everywhere. And that's that's your lady. She's going to let you guys stay there. She'll be OK. So they go there. It's on Yavapai Lane, which dead ends into a big like a big dead end of bushes filled with trash. Yeah, that's what that that's the street. They live on a dusty road, dusty dirt road with bushes filled with trash, with shitty trailers, with holes in them, with rusted car frames.

This is what we're talking about here. This is my this is disturbing. I'll show you a picture in a minute here that I'll post on social media.

It's called freedom. That's that's freedom. Right? There will be freedom lane.

They have the freedom to enjoy the outdoors and not not be held down by the constraints of electricity, food and water and money deposits.

No positive that's off the grid. I would say way off the grid.

So they're. They come on and they're told that they need a place to live and Lita invites them right in, come on and stay in the trailer, that's great. While they're there, they meet Robert Poison, who is also staying there, and they get along like gangbusters, especially. He also likes this Kimberly Lane as well.

So we don't know. She is like kind of. Yeah, there's multiple things going on here. So she also likes her. Yeah. And yeah, this is disturbing. So, again, 19, 14 not acceptable either. Sorry. So they end up staying at the trailer. They're there for a little bit. They don't. They're there for a couple of weeks. They're sticking around. I think it's about a week and a half. They're hanging out and Kimberly wants to get out of there after like three or four days.

Oh, I'm sure it's miserable. Yeah, it's miserable. I mean, the trailers in Lancaster is paradise compared to this. This is disgusting. It's the middle of the summer, too. It's August hot. Hundred fifteen degrees. Oh, boy. In a trailer with no AC with the sun beating on it in the middle of the desert. There's not no shade. No no shit like that.

It is just barren. This is rough man. No running water, no running water and faucets in the trailer in Lancaster.

That's what I mean. You can't even go. And when you're that hot, go just splash water on your face. You know what I mean? Just to just to take a little bit of the sting off. You can't even do that. Horrible. I don't even know what to say about that man. No, like I said, holes in the floor there.

Shit everywhere. There's cat and dog shit all over the place. So she convinced Anderson, the forty eight year old, like, we got to get the fuck out of here. I can't take this anymore. And yeah. And Robert Poison's like, Ivan, I got to get out of here too. Like homeless is one thing, but this is, this is horrible. Like I can't live like this anymore. So they're like we have no way of getting out of here.

They're this is the end of the line. I mean, you're you're at the end of a dead end filled with trash, man. There's nowhere to go.

There was like a metaphor walking up to this place. It is. It is rock bottom. Rock bottom. End of the line. End of the road. Yeah, done. They have no transportation. They're basically stuck here forever. Yeah. Unless a miracle happens and somehow they come into some form of money which you would have to leave here to get because there's no way you're here to get money. You're stuck here forever. So it's either leave or die here.

That's pretty much it. Yeah. Those are your only options though. So I mean wanting to get out of there is a very smart thing to do. You know, we got to get the hell out of here. Where are they going to do what? And the entire property? There is only one usable vehicle in the entire everything. And that belongs to a guest of leader, another person staying here.

For a while. Oh, my God. Why, yeah, I know. We'll have full house. Yeah, no hockey, no vacancy. There's four people already there and Elliott coming back and forth, too. So we're all adults. This is ridiculous. One child, obviously. All right. So this is a guy named Roland where this could be a great sitcom.

This would be a great somebody wrote it in a funny way. Yeah. Where they had some humility and self-awareness and knew this was fucked up. That's well, you could use rather this would be like an extreme trailer Park Boys trailer Park Boys.

Next generation with your shitty punch lines could be like when I remember when like married with children, they'd use like a toilet flushes a punch line. You could use like somebody you fall through the floor or step in and some stray cat shit surfing over a bucket or woops, a fucked a 14 year old, dammit. Oh shit I oh that was your shit bucket I shit in. Oh man. I thought my shit smelled funny. I didn't remember having no car.

Oh man.

You got me at that to have that. So I don't know.

So there they're picked up there so I'm sorry Roland. Where. Here he's got a pickup truck and he's there. It's a friend of Lita so they decide we need to get this pickup truck, OK, we need to get this truck taken and get the fuck out of here. If we can get out of here to somewhere else or we could get rid of the truck and just get some hitchhike outside or something somewhere we could make a dollar somewhere and get out of there.

We need to go, though. They want to go to Illinois.

That's the goal. OK, that's the goal. We're for it. First it's Kentucky, then to Illinois, because that's where he has his mafia connections. And that will live their you know, their true life is mafia royalty. Once they once he marries a child. Right. A middle schooler in Kentucky.

So he anyway, this whole deal now, Robert Delahunt, I feel bad. This 14 year old kid, I mean, he lives in the shittiest of environments and he can't even have that environment to himself. It's got to have all these weird borders all the time. And very strange. His everybody says he's got like tattered clothes. He looks like Huck Finn, of course, after a day out and playing dirty and his clothes are fucked up. Yeah.

Desert Huck Finn. Imagine that. Nineteen ninety six desert. Huck Finn. Not great. Not positive. No.

Well he overhears Anderson, Kimberly Lane and Robert poisoned plotting to steal the truck. So he overhears it and they find out that he knows they see him eavesdropping. So basically he they bring him in to the plot and they're like, look dude, we need to do this. We got to get the fuck out of here. Clearly, this is awful. Like, you know, I know you're a kid, but you know what the fuck? We got to leave.

So we're going to do this. We're going to steal the truck, don't tell on us and we'll make sure nothing happens. And your mom will be safe. Nothing will happen to your mom or anything like that. But we got to get the truck. Just, you know, be cool about it. You don't know this role. One guy, fuck him, you know, and he. Fourteen year old Robert looked up to 19 year old Robert.

He'd gotten close to him because fourteen. You're looking for role models, you know what I mean? So that's just the way it is, especially if you're desert Huck Finn, you're looking for somebody. Your dad's in and out, your dad's in and out. You find a nineteen year old kid. That's a that's somebody's worldly that somebody. Oh, he's been to jail, too. He's been found a little bit that somebody worldly that you would look up to as a fourteen year old.

So he says he would he said, I'll keep I won't say anything, I'll keep quiet, I'll be cool about it. You know, I've been around scumbags. Don't worry. I know how this works. He's like this. You see how things work around here. Like Alpha Dog. Yeah. He said, man, that's all he just said, make sure that, you know, don't do anything to my mom.

Leave my mom alone, basically. And they said, of course. Yeah, you keep quiet, we'll leave your mom alone. So, yeah, that's the truck belongs to 50 year old Roland where. So anyway, August 13th, nineteen eighty six. So they're only there for three days at this point. Well, I don't know what happened with Kimberly, but Kimberly, who was apparently, I guess Robert was also fooling around with in addition to the old man.

This is gross. Sure. This is just disgusting. Well, apparently that day Kimberly tells 14 year old Robert to meet her out in the travel trailer there and the no traveling trailer, the no travel trailer for a little bit.

Oh, boy. Getting it on some afternoon delight. Yeah. So this kid's 14.

This is the first legal thing that's happened in the show. Yeah, that's I mean, this is the first thing that's sort of wholesome. This is the most awesome thing in the show. Too dirty, tattered 14 year olds fucking in a disgusting no travel trailer is the most the most simplest thing. There you go.

Well, I guess it's downright warm compared to the rest of disgustingness, you know. Yeah. At least you could play like, you know, when the like the wonder years when Kevin Arnold and Winnie Cooper kissed or something. You could think of it like that, except dirty air and gross with penises involved. But, you know, you could put some sort of teenage romantic spin on it up until the dirty fucking positive spin of a young man coming into his own coming into.

Yeah, it's a young love is like, yeah, whatever. So. Oh, my God. So she lures him out there. So let's go in here. Come on, let's get it on. This is the no travel trailer to describe it a bit. It's sitting on concrete blocks out in the back. It has a giant skull and crossbones painted on the side. Awesome. So I have a picture of it.

Oh my. I will post that on social media. That is also going to double as the stage for ICP next month. That, first of all, will play out. Yeah, that's not good. This is the way it used to be white. It's like that's gross. It's the most to windows broken out thing you could ever think of. And there's no joke. But it looks like the moon, right? It looks like the fucking moon.

Dude, tell me that doesn't just look like not earth. It's the worst place ever since Kentucky had a space station.

That would be. Yeah, yeah. That would be broken down. No travel trailer on the moon, busted up windows on the moon, watch out for holes in the floor and shoot an El Camino up there. You know, it was going to be good, so. Oh, my God. So, OK, August 13th this year, she takes him out to there and they are there's a like a disgusting, dirty, filthy mattress in there that's that's like in there all the time, which imagine what lives under that land in it and in it in the summer to the scorpions everywhere.

Absolutely. So imagine that shit. Well, they don't mind because they get down there laying on the disgusting mattress intertwined. Making out. Yeah. Kesten Yeah. And on man. How disgusting is that in there.

Feels weird for you. Describing just feels illegal doesn't it. Feel describe to 14 year olds. Yeah it does. I don't feel like I would be like oh God I should, I shouldn't know what this high. Yeah. No I don't want any part of that. You guys do all. I shouldn't even remember what this looks like in my own experience. Yeah.

That's really. What do you have in common with these. That's the other thing. That's 48. What do you have in common? I don't want to be around children who aren't my own.

Never mind fucking try to fucking romance them.

So anyway, it's at this point where Anderson.

Forty eight year old Anderson bus into the trailer, OK, and he's got a knife in his hand and he attacks young Robert while he's making out with Kimberly by cutting his throat. He takes a big slash at Robert's throat with a bread knife. Oh, my. So those are some serrated and nasty. Nasty. I cut my finger with a bread knife and he's a nasty one. So here's your fleshy part. It opens it. It's not good enough.

So this now, while he does this, he cuts him, doesn't, I guess, get enough right away to kill Robert because young Robert bites on to his hand, the boy fighting back. So he does this. There's more there's a big you know, there's a goddamn scuffle now with a bread knife and he's got his throat cut and there's blood everywhere, by the way. It's dark, man. It's this little shitty travel trailer back here.

So it's a it's a fucking disaster. So Robert Poison hears the screams and struggles in there from the from outside, and he runs over to the travel trailer and Busson in and when he busts in, Anderson. Forty eight year old man holds Delahunt down and poison comes over and starts bashing his head against the floor. Oh, my God. Yeah. He didn't come to help Delahunt. He can help to help Anderson.

So he comes he's bashing young Robert's head against the floor. This fucking kid man you think Baraboo guy went through? A lot, this is brutal. I know this is brutal, so. So he's had his throat attack, got his throat cut, now they're the ones holding him down, all the other ones bashing his head against the trailer floor, which I don't know how hard a trailer, Flores, but it might get still not good now. So then at this point, they're also both pounding him in the head with their fists while they're doing this.

They're both punching him consistently. They sliced his throat. They're bashing his head on the ground. He's still conscious. He does not lose consciousness through this. He's trying to fight back as much as he can, but he can't because it's big, bigger people, men, two men. That's there's a difference between a 14 year old, even a strong one, and a man that we used to call it old man strength. When I was a kid, it was a different you have a different strength when you're older.

It's just different. It's just you've been seasoned by bike. You've done things breaking rusty bolts and shit like that. You've done things.

Yeah. When you go play like basketball and there'll be a team of like forty six year old guys and they were slow and they were terrible. But fuck, could they just knock you out of the way somehow because they were that this weird old man strength strange shit. You have to play off of them anyway. Play a very emotion oriented offense like those people.

So he, he's bashing him and bashing him while he's doing that. Robert, Robert Poison steps away for one second to run outside and grab a rock to come in.

And he does. And he takes it and they're Andersens holding him down, punching Delahunt with his fists. Meanwhile, poison comes in and starts bashing him in the head with a rock fire as well. Still conscious, Jimmy, this fucking kid doesn't lose consciousness through all of that. So tough. He is a tough. Yeah, tough kid.

This is wild man. So it's at this point that they go, OK, well, this kid, they expected that to be, you know, at least to knock them out by now and then do whatever. But he's not he's not that he's still conscious. So then they take the bread knife and Anderson holds him down and poison takes the bread knife and puts it to in his ear and Dries and his wife would yell into his ear, Jimmy, to try to poke him in the brain and kill him because they can't kill him.

But the way it it's a hard your brain is your skull. There's bones and stuff. And that knife is too big, the knife is too long, and the physics of it don't really work. And when they did it, they did stab him pretty good. But it didn't go into his brain. It ended up coming like all the way on his cheek and out of his nose. Oh, my God. Out of his nose. Jimmy stabbed in the ear and then out through the nose with a fucking bread knife blade while they're hitting you with rocks and fists.

And this is horrifying.

This is this makes Baraboo look like a fucking walk in the park. I'd rather have my legs broken repeatedly. This is horrible. I don't know which is worse. Guess what? He's not dead. He's not dead. God, he's still conscious. She's screaming and struggling and asking, why are you doing this to me? Right. You know, this is fucking horrific. So. Holy shit. So, I mean, they didn't know. They were just like, what the fuck this get is bionic.

So they just kept slamming his head in the ground and punching him and hitting him with rocks until he finally lost consciousness. OK, all in all, you know how long this lasted? An hour. Forty five minutes, yeah. Forty five minutes. A tough kid, that is.

Yeah. How do you how do you do that. I don't know. How can a person do that to another person for forty five minutes.

How does he believe that long. And that's the other thing. The resiliency of that kid is unbelievable. Kid could have been like the best MMA fighter ever. Like he's a Brazilian. So Tapout that's a tough kid. Can't knock him out. No, I've never heard of this before. Like he's been beaten. He will not go out. And he was still struggling and fighting and like this kid is a hat's off man to this kid. Well, he's he's finally after almost an hour, he finally dies after all of this.

I assume it's from blunt trauma, blunt force trauma to the head in a blood loss as well.

And obviously, Jesus Christ and believable. This is absolutely insane. So they finally kill him. Kimberly Lane had ran out the second the knife. Robert, she was out. She's fourteen. That was her. That was her part of the whole thing. So still to go, that's the kid out of the way. Didn't really need to do that. No, he wasn't going to talk. He wasn't even going to tell, I believe, dirty Huck Finn there, too.

I believed him. So now Leda and Roland, where are in the main trailer? They have the radio on. They never heard.

They didn't hear the screaming as murderers, though. Don't you go. We can't even kill a fourteen year old. We can barely kill a fourth. There's no way we're going to kill two adults. It's over. I would imagine so.

Well, no, they thought of it. We need to be have a more efficient way of killing two adults because this they. I figured, you know, it's a 14 year old, you could cut his throat and he'd fall down, then, you know, whatever, stabbed him a couple of times and he's dead or hit him a few times. And I don't think they expected they don't expect people to have that fight for your life instinct that he had.

And a lot of people have and people at that socio economical area in that fucking pretty fucking result.

He's a fighter. We can take a beating. Oh, this kid's a fighter. Yeah, this kid's a fighter. And it's like, you know, we either of us grew up with a lot.

But that is a different level of this is a this is a there's a different level of horror or no, I was never stabbed in the face. Probably not never, ever come out now. And really. Wow. I don't know if I could survive. That would sense. It sounds horrible. That's unbelievable. So they never heard it. Leda and Rolan never heard the commotion out there. They didn't hear a word of it. They're sitting in the trailer with some of the radio like nothing happened.

So it's at this point that Lahn distracts or Kimberly Lane distracts Roland and Leader so they can go in and wash up so Andersen employees and can go in and wash because I guess there's some water in there and a bucket they need to get to to wash the fucking blood off their hands.

So they didn't look so suspicious. And at that point, also they notice and they find Roland Ware has a twenty two rifle. Oh, Christ. So they're like, OK, they grab the rifle, they sneak it out of the house. Problem is that there's no ammunition.

Right. So they have a rifle with no bullets. Oh no. So now what do you do. We got a rifle with no bullets. It's still a weapon. It's still a weapon. But they said, let's try and get some bullets. So they said, let's go next door. There's probably the kid there. The kid always answers the door. We'll ask the kid for some bullets. They'll have some bullets. They'll give them to us.

Right. This is the 90s, not the 40s, by the way. So it's very strange. Just everybody has bullets to loan to your neighbor. Knock on the door. He got any bullets, like, fuck off my property. So, yeah.

So let's say these two. Forty eight year old Anderson. Nineteen year old boys and knock on your door and they go, y'all got any bullets standing there with a rifle. Rifle. What's your question.

Hold on. I do as I get the phone and call the police like.

Right. What do you think a nine year old or an eight year old girl says?

Yes. Why really? What she says yes. Why? Why do you need bullets? This is the craziest thing in this whole story. If you think you've heard so far. Here it is. This is the story that they give that they give this little girl. Yeah. They say, well, we need to get two rounds from you. We need two bullets, because at least to see Robert Delahunt, you know, next door because they know him, right?

Yeah. He's out in the desert surrounded by rattlesnakes, just surrounded by him. And he can't get out. He's trapped by rattles. He's like in an Indiana Jones situation where he's been backed into a corner surrounded by rattlesnakes that are like, hold him back, though, at bay. Like, stay there, mother fucker. We'll going to we're going to get you all at once.

And if we can get those two rounds from you. Yeah. He can get this very valuable black stone. Yeah. That's what it is. He says that we're going to need the bullets to, you know, fire a couple rounds off into the ground to scare the snake. So I had two snakes. The other snakes will get the point. They get the picture, say like, oh, shit, I don't want that to happen. The bullets here.

Yeah. So they the stakes will scatter and we can rescue him from the rattlesnakes. And the more you take stand in here, the more snakes. It's there's just so many snake you have no idea. I run along. They got trapped in the corner. He's dizzy. Can't hold out much. Robert, we're coming for you. But I held them off just a minute longer to 20 caliber long rifle. So she said, all right.

See, I think my dad's got some twin. Got them two fucking bullets. Here you go. God damn it. How good luck houseless.

Hope you rescue your friend. Hope the snakes don't get him help. Given enough time.

The story is hurting my admen, son. So anyway. Yeah, so there's they need there's a snake problem.

Wait till she tells her dad what she did and he just goes, you did what snakes. What seems to happen to me why we find of the bastards got me this trappy in the corner man.

Wow. Unbelievable. So what they do is then poison and Anderson go outside and they load the rifle and they test the rifle. They make sure it's like the you know, it's all action works. It's all smooth. They lower, they pop it out, took everything looking good.

All right. Make sure it's Newnes fires around here, make sure it's good they can't do a test shot. Obviously, they got two rounds. Way to really be big for a fourth. I to still be good now. We'll be perfect here. The first murder didn't go so. Well, but I feel like this time it's going to be a piece of cake. So, wow. So he then loads the two rounds and loads the one round, I think it's a one shot, this rifle probably.

Yes. He says he has to load it again later.

So he loads it with the one that's having some real confidence in yourself to to steal somebody else's gun that you've never fired. Now you have no idea what we need to do to kill two people. You don't have a gun or bullets. I'm going to be perfect. Be perfect. Meanwhile, somebody else is left.

And what just happened with a ninth grader? Right. And a knife that is bigger than that child, which should have been longer than his own. No problem to kill that kid without hurting him. Too bad. You should have been able to take his head off pretty quick on that. Pretty bad one. Good swipe. A really taken across that. I have never seen a mob hit. It's not like that. That's not what it looks like.

It's it's a done. Well, al Qaeda does it a little bit quicker than you two did. A much smaller, shittier knife. This is this is awful.

Yeah. You guys should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. So they stash it next to in a shed near a shed next to the trailer. OK, that's that's what they do now.

They let the evening go by. Roland and Lida don't notice anything. They don't notice that the that the rifles gone. What? They don't notice anything. They don't notice that Robert is he's Huck Finn. He's out there running around whitewashing fences. Who the fuck knows what he's doing in the wind? Yeah. Hanging out with the N-word. Jim Yeah. I don't fucking know who knows what he's doing out there and dangerous live in dangerous out there.

So, you know, not that. And we're not sure what he's just out there hanging out with doing his thing. Northern Arizona livin is dangerous. Yeah, exactly. He's out in the desert.

So some hours go by, some point in the evening because they'll want there is one amenity. This trailer has one shelter, one no besides that, but one amenity outside of just, you know, a roof. And that is a phone.

Oh, it does have a phone. There's a phone line running, I guess. I don't know if they have a community line or what the fucking deal is, but there is a phone right in the thing. So that's one thing. They have their wow. Great modern convenience. So what they do is Anderson employees and cut the phone line to make sure there are amenities. Nothing. Now, it's really just done. So far they've taken zero stars who've taken it all the way.

So they do that, they cut, they wait till dark, they cut the ah, they just wait a while longer, darker. And then they they chill it all out. They then go get the go get the rifle and they head toward the trailer. Now what they do is Anderson holds a lantern.

There's no fucking electricity. They have a lantern. Yeah. How what, how many.

Nineteen ninety six murders take place by lantern. Light Jimmy. Not have we had. This is anything. No one just wanted to make sure. So he's going into the bunkhouse to bushwhack them. Right. This is ridiculous. Turning up the propane. Yeah. Turn up. Turn up the whale oil. You got to be careful with those though because if you, you can wake somebody up with those. They're so fucking loud whistling.

That's like a fucking air conditioner. Yeah. Sounds like a window unit. Air conditioner can scream Motel six air conditioner. So they enter the bedroom where they are sleeping. They're both sleeping in the bedroom. Kagan and Roland just lying on their back, sleeping. They enter the bedroom. When they do, Kagin sets up.

Of course, she hears people. She sets up a fucking lantern. Yeah.

When she sets up, Robert shoots her in the mouth. Oh, my. This kills her immediately. I don't know if it went through, got her spinal cord or what, but I mean, quick. She went down and was dead like that. So at least she didn't suffer.

Yeah but still Jesus Christ man this poor woman did nothing to nobody just laying there sleeping. What's that noise.

And then she's dead outside of being an amazing person. Really.

Yeah, a wonderful person. Really a great person. If she had any resources. Holy crap.

Imagine what she would have done for people for philanthropic person on earth. Yeah, that's yeah.

She could have done great things for people or at least tried to. She said she had the desire to, which is more than I can say for most people. So good person anyway. So she does that, she dies instantly here. So then as Roland where sits up next to her as this is going on, Roland starts to set up, he's got to reload the rifle with the other round. He does that quickly and shoots shoots Roland in the mouth as well.

Fuck is it shooting the man? He's a good shot.

This guy is he's a terrible bad with a rock to the head, but with a goddamn rifle.

He is Elmer Futter. Some shit he's really, really got these hillbillies know how to shoot that because that's all they do. That's all they do. They can't fucking read. So they got to do something.

So put a goddamn book in front of this kid and go read aloud this paragraph and let me see. Do it again. Yeah.

Again and again. Exactly like you do with a gun.

Yeah. You'll get. We're at it, but it's more fun to shoot. I know it is louder, it's I get it. I know it too. But it doesn't kill him. Now the twenty two bullet hits him, shatters the teeth on the upper right side of his face, hits him in the teeth, shatters and comes out his cheek. So I mean that's how twenty two are even even a tooth ricochet it off. So that's exactly what happened.

Shatters all the, all the teeth on the upper right side of his face, shoots out his cheek.

Ouch. So it's at this point where Roland starts to, you know, Roland starts to get out of the bed with, you know, the pain and he starts to struggle and go toward poison with the rifle, the grabbed the rifle and stop him from shooting him again. When he does that, Anderson comes in and hits and he Anderson, hits him with the lantern. That's all he's got dangerous. So he hits him with the lantern, shatters the fucking lantern everywhere.

So that happened. So now there's no light. So imagine this is a light with the light. Imagine what a disturbing scene he shoots her, which is a flash of a muzzle in a dark, dark room with no electricity, not an alarm clock light, not a fucking Apple TV. There's nothing here, right? Pitch black that happens in a lantern comes in fire from the muzzle struggle lantern swinging back and forth, making that crazy fucking light and then shadows going in it.

And then it goes in and out.

What a horror scene. Yeah, this is chaos and horror as while this is going on, poison starts beating, roll in with the butt of the rifle. He just starts hitting him with the butt of the rifle. So Roland manages to get past them into the hallway and bust out the front door and run outside. Yeah. So he goes outside and gets all the way to his pickup truck, keys in hand, trying to get the keys in the lock.

As he's doing that, he can't get the keys in the lock fast enough as they attack him, knock him to the ground, beat him senseless, kick him in the head, beat him with the rifle, beat him with everything they could. Finally, Anderson gets a cinder block and gives it to poison and poison, drops the cinder block on him several times on his head to make sure that this is over, over with after kicking him and hitting him with the rifle and everything.

But the cinder block to the head finally ends it after a few of those.

Good Lord, this is horrible. It's the least expensive murder that I've ever heard of, apart from bare hands. Yeah, but took the longest, took the longest. And for the least amount of gain, zero gain. You're feeling a shitty pickup truck that doesn't belong to you. You're gaining with an easy ticket to jail. That's what you're gaining a stolen pickup truck.

Woohoo! And zero promise of getting anywhere safe.

No and no gas and no money because these are we think they're all loaded sitting in there. No, they'd be in a fucking Motel six if they had any money, they wouldn't be sitting in the middle of a goddamn desert aforethought because that thing runs out of gas and then you're fucked.

He's not doing it for insurance money. He's going to get two hundred grand. If they had a big stash of jewelry or no is safe. There's no reward. I've hated this person for years. No reward. The only reward is you get to fuck a fourteen year old together in a stolen pickup truck elsewhere. You would have that's that's all there is in the back of the pickup truck.

Now, instead of in your disgusting non travel trailer, they would have been better off honestly, just waiting until lead and roll and fell asleep, stealing his keys, stealing the truck, and no one would have known till morning. There you go.

You would have had a fucking eight hour head start and it'll get exactly the same distance, eight hours. Is that what if they're dead? If they're dead, exactly. And you'll probably the people will probably notice the dead bodies before somebody would have called about the truck. Right. So not smart. Just a dumb, dumb fucking thing to do. But they had to do it, of course. So once he's dead, they they took his wallet and his keys to his truck and they covered his body.

They dragged him kind of behind that some debris and put some leaves and debris and debris on top of him. So it's not obvious from the street. You know, Sterzenbach, they're left lead in the bedroom, left Delahunt in the no travel trailer, hopped in the truck and off they go eastward. That's all over to Kentucky. Wow.

So when they do find the bodies, DELAHUNT Imagine finding that, you know, he was found beaten, beaten, almost unrecognizable with a knife sticking out of his skull. That's that was the cue to grow. Once he was finally dead, they just stuck the knife in his head, basically. So they see it like he's like a like a rump roast with a knife sticking out of the top of it. That's how they find this poor kid. This is awful.

So everything they did had an extra stank on it. Yeah, it's extra scummy. Extra stank. They really could have. Yeah, well, still zero to ain't nothing, no gain extra stank with none of the game, more of the stack, none of the game, everybody. So what ends up happening on the escape is, Anderson, while this is happening, apparently Robert Poisoned and Kimberly have become the hot item now, but they're ready to go to Kentucky to get married, apparently, rather than Anderson.

He got shafted so thing over three days.

He lost his teenage bride, no mafia God daughter. Now this is a fucking mess. So he drops them off in the Chicago area. That's where they want to be droughty up there all the way to Illinois. Wow. Drops them off in the Chicago area from there because they're looking for these people that bodies have been found. Everything is going. A phone tap ends up picking up a call from Kimberly to one of her relatives homes in California because they tapped all of her relatives phones in case she call because she's, you know, a child.

And she will, of course.

So they found that. And that ended up leading police to an Evanston, Illinois, homeless shelter where Poison and Kimberly Lane were.

Stan Lee. Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah. Oh, yes. So that we'll talk one more second here. That's August. Twenty third there.

Busted. So ten days. Ten days goes by. Lord Anderson, meanwhile, was dry. Drop them off and was driving the pickup truck in southern Illinois when a cop, a state trooper got behind him, ran his license plate. And it comes up that it is wanted in connection with the multiple homicide in Arizona. So clearly he's getting pulled over now and we know he doesn't have any guns or fucking ammo or anything. So he might have a gun, but it ain't going to work and is it going to work?

So he is taken into custody. And while they searched the truck, they find a purse containing ID and credit cards belonging to both Lita Kagan and Roland where. So he couldn't be caught more red handed. Yeah, it's ridiculous there. Now, Anderson, in the interrogation, he comes in, they sit him down. The first two interviews, they don't say he he won't say anything. Third interview, he starts talking. He admits that he slashed d'elegance throat.

But he says that I only did it because I ran in there responding to Kimberly's screams. Who was my girlfriend? That child. You know, that girl. So I thought that he was raping her. So I heard her screams, you know, like I do, you know, like me. I figure if I rape her, who wouldn't just look at her? You know, obviously, everybody's going to rape her like a disgusting person.

So he said, I burst in there with a knife hearing her screams and see, you know, him assaulting her. So I cut his throat, which is what you do to a fourteen year old rather than, you know, punch him or pull him off. And what the fuck are you doing, you little shit? Go to your room.

Yeah, not that rape would be a room, but I mean, it seems like I'm just trying to say you're an adult.

What are you talking about? So he tried to show how much of a child he is. So then he says that he helped hold Delahunt down while poison used the rock the bread knife. When they put it in his ear, they used a rock. Oh, my God. To push it into his ear. It's so primitive, bang. But like a like a fucking gorilla, Jimmy, like bang, bang. And and then shot it out his nose.

That's how awful and brutal this shit was. So that's his story, though, wasn't me.

I came in, tried to protect the honor of this poor young girl, whether by cutting a ninth graders throat. And then the other guy came in and did all this shit. I just held him down. You know, he's the ringleader at nineteen, not me.

So, yeah, he said that he was shocked and terrified. He said that he was shocked that that poison went so far. You tried to cut his throat right now.

What did you think the result of that was your first reaction, your reaction? No. One, to save a girl from being raped, to slit her throat, slit a child's room?

Well, that's the thing I don't understand is he's saying that he's saying that I couldn't believe he killed him. And it's like you couldn't believe he was attacking you started at what was the what did you were you just trying to cut his throat as like a I'm going to I'm going to fuck him this morning as a warning shot. I mean, if you end game of cutting somebody's throat is a punch is what you do to like, hey, motherfucker, like not a throat cut.

A throat cut is something you plot and like pop out from behind their driver's seat when they get in the car.

And that's what you do because they, you know, stole your your all of your union contracts or some shit that if you're in the mob, this is ridiculous. Gross. So, yeah, he says that he was scared he was going to be robber poisons next victim. It's like if I stopped him, he could have turned on me even though I handed him the fucking bread knife because I'm the guy who had it first. So I had a bread knife and I was scared of him, so I gave him the bread knife as a cop, you just let this guy keep going.

Yeah. Oh, you just got your case to keep doing this with expand. Pull your fingers apart more. Yeah. Yeah, keep going. He said that he under duress. He said that he complied with orders when he held the lantern up to provide the light that Robert Boys needed to shoot those people. He said, I was under orders, man. They just they got me. He said that also the Anderson was ordered to strike the strike role and where with the lantern and also to hand him the cinder block to crush his skull.

You hand me that cinder block I just did. And I said, oh, man, I'm so scared of you. Here's a weapon to murder with. Fucking unreal, right? Yeah. That's what you do when you're scared. You give the person you're scared of something to make them more scary. That's what I do anyway. I don't even the odds with my own weapon. Oh, my God. So this is a dialogue from his second deal here.

It's only two things. Otherwise we would have done a small town murder peace theater, trust me, he says the police officer says, OK, but the three of you had talked about doing this, of killing Robert Lee to enroll. And as a matter of fact, Bobby wanted to kill Elliott, too, right? Robert Poison wanted to kill the husband to remember him telling you that. And Henderson says when they talked about it, the when Bobby talked about it, the one one day I remember now, but it was much more in a I guess maybe trying to feel you out a killing mood, you know.

All right. Yeah. He says the only way you'll ever get out of here is by killing them all. That's the only way you'll ever get out. So he just thought he was you know, that's a kid thing.

You're not being held here against your will. No, you don't have to kill anybody. You can hitchhike in as easy as you hitchhiked out here, take out as easy as hitchhike, then it's not that bad. Later in the interrogation, he says, quote, The only thing wow, the only thing is on the set up on the trailer is originally when this was all scheduled out, it was supposed to be after Roland got after Elliott got home because Elliott was supposed to have money.

Yeah, it was all premeditated. He said so, admits premeditation, admits it's for financial gain of some kind. These are all bad things to admit. If you're in a murder interrogation, by the way, are they crazy people or did Golden Valley do this to them? That's what I mean, is you can't sit there and go, no, no, he's got money. We're all staying in a shithole together.

People nobody here has money came from the outside. Somebody gave him something. I feel like they're attracted to it. Yeah, scum is attracted to certain areas, so I don't know it's the way it is. So Robert Poising gets interviewed as well. He's brought into custody. He they handcuffed him to a beam mounted on the wall. We'll bring all this up later. He was questioned by a couple of sergeants from the Illinois State Police at first advised of his Miranda rights.

He confessed to the murders pretty quickly. Sure, the interview began at ten forty. He they picked him up at ten. Interview began at ten forty, lasted just over two hours. Three murders in less than two hours to get over a murder. An hour is a pretty good average for homicide detective.

That's good. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to do really at least six hours of murder. Yeah, he just that that just made his whole his whole average just shot up there with his his hall of fame. His palms are way up and I mean his hours per murder, they're down now. It's really good. So hours per murder there too. So anyway, he then left was left alone in the interview room for about an hour and a half.

During that period, he was given a cigarette, cold soda and a cheeseburger. So that's not bad. He was also allowed to use the bathroom and they conducted a second interview later on at about two fifty five a.m. That ended at three twenty five. There's only a half hour long. He was advised of his Miranda rights again and again made incriminating statements. He was taken back to his holding cell where he slept for about six hours. Next day they give him another interview, lasted about two hours.

This time, he's interviewed by the Mojave. People flew out there to interview him, advised of his rights again. Now he gives a detailed tape recorded account of his involvement in the murders. Very detailed, extremely detailed of how many times he was hitting him in the head and all this crazy shit. He drank a soda during the Internet and interview, smoked a cigarette and was comfortable, wasn't, you know, wasn't tortured or anything like that. He wasn't he wasn't Brendan Dasi.

They didn't set him there for 14 hours and tell him he going to Miss Russell Manea. They fucking you know, they were trying to, you know, draw it out. And that's the type of guy he is when they approach someone. Some of the guys that's in the homicide book, they all talk about it. Some of the guys you got to approach hard. Fuck you, you're not getting anything out to show him you're in charge some.

The guys, you can buy them with a goddamn peanut butter cup and a soda and that, that's all they need to to crack it. So there they see him as the cheeseburger and a cigarette and be nice to him, treat him like he's important and he'll act like he's all important and tell you stuff. That's what they do. And that's what he does. And that's what he does. And that's what he does. And so anyway, he says also.

He says that that Robert Delahunt repeatedly asked why him and Anderson were trying to kill him. He also says that after being shot in the mouth where I fought with him for several minutes outside, that struggle took place during the attack. Roland, where I begged Robert not to hurt him, saying, Bobby, Bobby, stop. Don't I never did anything to you. Why are you doing this to me? Please? I never did anything to you.

I thought we were friends. What's going on? What do you need? Think and react, you know? Yeah. What the fuck? And they went, Oh, no, we're going to kill you so we can take your shitty truck, as I'm sure you had a Cadillac Escalade with fucking, you know. Sure. A loaded it was beautiful. Sure wasn't a seventy seven Ford with three different fucking tire patterns.

Yeah. So they want to see their mug shots. Oh boy do I, Anderson. Rebecca Roberts.

Anderson looks exactly how I met exact. Just a horrible man, trailer park man who would fuck a fourteen year old. That guy she looks like she's actually you would think and he is actually more handsome than you'd think you would expect him. Decent looking guy. But he looks big though, that poison. He's a he's a little he's a he's a chubby guy. Yeah. He's like he's. Yeah he's kind of like that. Exactly. He's a built stocking.

Right. He's a stocky guy. Takes a lot of a lot of protein to get them going through his day. He's bare chested. She looks like she really enjoys some slipknot though. She's a big, big corn fan. She gets out probably. And Davis is our hero.

Well, yeah, I think I think most forty eight year olds do this, but 14 year olds, that's probably one of their better. That's go that's better. They're going to the shock fest. So the coroner here.

Well, the coroner described this as especially heinous, even for a coroner. Yeah, he said the both of them were just 200 episodes.

James, this is I'm stunned.

This is yeah, this was absolutely wet because this was more unnecessary than anything else. This wasn't like a cult. This wasn't this was we want a shitty pickup truck and like thirty dollars. This is more like we just want to murder three people. We really want to just murder the. Exactly. That's what it is. They said it was just unreal. Also, they find a bloody palm print, which is good evidence on the shelf in the travel trailer belongs to Robert Poison.

So any good for him at all? Very bad, actually. Now, Elliott Kagin feels terrible. He feels like he could have helped.

He delivered this evil. He was visiting a friend in a Kingman hospital who just had his leg amputated the same night as the slangs. So, yeah, his friend had his leg amputated. So he was there for him. And instead he said he would have been there otherwise, except there's like, you know, his going there with his friend. He said later, years later, he still gets cold chills when he thinks about what happened. He said, quote, You know, Leda and I were dishwasher's and we were always meeting the type of person that was down and out and didn't have a place to stay.

We always help them out. When something like this happens, you wonder what the world is coming to coming to this. So back to the assholes here, Rebecca Lane or Kimberly Lane, I'm sorry. Once she gets into jail, she's in there a few days and she has a lot of stomach problems and pains, a lot of pain in her stomach now, a lot of pain. No test that she is pregnant. God damn it. Shit cop.

No, it's Andersens. Oh, sucking poisoned Jesus. Why is it so much worse? Nineteen is still too old, but Jesus, it's so much worse. It's just so much worse. It's just so much gross or so gross. It's so gross. It's just too gross and it's just too gross.

Right. It's, it's downright destroyed. It's just disrespect. Disrespect the world for everybody because you not just not just having sex with a child, but you leave it in there. How are you doing? Good. I mean, we know how you could because you're a fucking pig, but you're you didn't even think, oh, no, no, I can't get any worse. Oh, it got so much worse. It really did, because just a little longer.

I mean, she had no choices there. Right. She's got to keep it in jail.

No, you don't get jail. You have to have it in jail. So she's stuck with this. Yeah. Oh, boy. So she ends up before that. Even the trials happen. She gives birth to this child fathered by Anderson. And the baby was given to her mother and stepfather who live in Chino Valley, Arizona. So who the fuck was she living with in Lancaster and fucking trailer park? So maybe her father, maybe. I don't want this kid with anybody that's really created this person.

Not that I feel I feel awful for her. She's fourteen years old. She never had a chance, but I don't want that happening again.

Oh, whatever made that there a bad chef and they got to get the fuck out of the kitchen because they make bad things. They don't put the right amount of flour. And again, the shit comes out all wrong.

This kid is over twenty right now. If it made it out. Yeah. Oh it's it's alive. Oh I don't know if I know it was born survived anyway. Oh my. So yeah. January nineteen ninety eight is Robert Anderson's trial or not. Robert Frank Anderson's trial so bad. Right between these two 14 year olds have really gotten the run of the whole thing.

So Anderson places the blame on poison, says he was scared of poison. He called him a quote, homicidal maniac man who took control of the killing spree and all motivated by a desire to steal a pickup truck.

Homicidal maniac man, a homicidal maniac man was his words.

He said that he claimed the murders in the robbery were not premeditated, even though in his interview it says he did say the exact words. It was all premeditated.

He literally said that he he admitted to slicing Della Hunt's throat, but he claimed he did so obviously because he thought he was sexually assaulting Kimberly Lane. He's like, hey, that's my job, buddy.

I do illegal things to this poor child, not you. Oh, my. So he said.

But after he cut his throat, he watched Poison beat Delahunt to death, but didn't participate or assist at all, even though he said he held him down repeatedly. He also claimed he had no prior knowledge that poison was going to shoot Kagan or where, and he was just an observer of those crimes. He felt threatened by poison and he didn't intervene because of the fear, he said. His lawyer said, quote, All of the death blows in this case.

Every single one of them was Bobby Poison. Yeah, because I Bobby was a lot stronger. Did you see he's stocky and a little. Yeah, that's what it is. He's kind of a miracle man who built more for you. Child rape. Exactly, he's built for, you know, pedophilia less than full time, you're more child rape rather than murder. Exactly. It's a you know, everyone has their talents. Stick with what you know, your role, stay in your lane, know your role.

That's the important thing in this life. And you know. That's right. I mean, you're fucking God damn everyone to tell you're not smart. Yup. So they they said that basically, you know, obviously that his statements, they said the statements were incoherent, but internally consistent is what they said. The state said they're opening and closing and said we're not using any fancy forensics here. This guy confessed to it and was driving the goddamn truck with the stuff in it.

So we don't really we're going to give you the old fashioned kind of murder case. And everybody was like, that makes a lot of sense. They didn't present really any substantial forensic evidence at all. In the Andersen trial. The jury took three hours to tell him you are guilty, asshole, for a Frank Anderson here, triple murder, rejecting obviously his defense. And he didn't show any emotion when that happened. And he is convicted of armed robbery, conspiracy to commit murder and three counts of first degree murder.

That's incomplete. What about that part where he where he did what where he impregnated a teenager?

Yeah, I was waiting for that one myself. I was like and disgusting pedophilia. You're going to add that in there because he told the cops, oh, that's my girlfriend. Yeah.

Like, you also know, she's pregnant and she's got my kid. Oh, this is so gross. You know that for sure.

The jury foreman said they didn't buy it at the end. They said, quote, We felt the defendant was a willing participant in all the crimes. It was not threatened or coerced into them, and they were probably really grossed out by him as well.

So nineteen ninety eight is Kimberly. Right after that, Kimberly Lane's trial, her trial is between Anderson's trial and Anderson sentencing because she's going to testify against him in the sentencing and it's going to help her out a shitload later, I'm sure. So as it should, she should definitely be the least least culpable. But she's a child. No one, a 48 year old man told a child to do something that he was raping after he kidnapped her. That's what I after he kidnapped her and sexually assaulted her repeatedly.

I feel like, you know, I don't know, maybe it's not really that much of her fault.

And legality wise, they could call it traveling with a companion.

All they want for fourteen fucking kids is a fourteen year old girl stealing a kid. That's what I mean. That's from a trailer. Right.

Which makes it seem so much serious coming.

So they called her in the title of this article. They of the first line of this newspaper article is, quote, A pregnant teenage runaway charged with murder and a triple homicide will be tried as an adult.

The judge ruled, oh, my. Like, Jesus Christ, that's brutal. She's fourteen. Will be tried as an adult on three charges of first degree murder. That's harsh. That's that's Arizona. So, yeah, they charge her. She's by the time they trier, she's sixteen. But the crime happened when she's fourteen, they find her guilty of everything. And you, young lady, may fuck off. They give her four consecutive life terms, stop carrying at least twenty five years for three counts of first degree murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder also ordered her to serve seven years beyond that for armed robbery.

Wow.

Yeah. So we'll find out.

That's going to get changed, though. She's going to appeal her sentence and also she's going to get help by testifying. Good, because that's a life sentence they gave her. Yeah, they gave her seventy five years. Yeah. Because four consecutive caraco carrying at least twenty four hundred years they gave her. That's ridiculous. She's got to serve before she didn't she didn't do it. She did nothing violent even so. I mean someone who doesn't have the capacity to do something violent I think in one hundred years for that.

And she's the only thing that she did legally there. I mean, granted, she had sex with them to make out with a god damn teenager is the only legal thing that happened here.

She got one hundred years. Yeah.

I found in jail she had some infractions. She's got a lot of like, really disruption, lying to officials, disobeying orders, disrespect, just a lot of shit like that. You know, when you get like a fifteen year old, sounds like the road that you go down as a teenager when you're raped. And your sixteen year old kid. Right. Sixteen year old kids at home. I could my son this his infractions are all disobeying order.

He disobey seven orders a day. If I wrote him up as fucking sheet would be this long disorderly conduct. Are you kidding me? Look at this fucking room. Disorderly conduct. Right. They're done lying to an official, right? Oh, my God. He bought something on the PlayStation store like credit card and fucking told me about it. Lying to an official, lying, lying to him for disobeying a direct order.

Well, every day, every day, normal stuff in jail.

She worked in the kitchen as a reference and sexual abuse. Yeah. And this is all just par for the course.

This guy's going to be normal. Yeah, she did some some clerk work and some. And work some education aid work, I guess maybe she had education aid, I think that might not be an actual work thing. And they put her in the kitchen. She did computer data entry, which I guess is good. At least she's not getting beaten up by the older ladies at Anderson's sentencing. This is a she testified he wants these advisers mitigating circumstances home.

He says turbulent childhood like 40 years ago. Right. Including sexually abuse, sexual abuse by his father and lack of stability caused in part by frequent moves in attendance at more than 50 schools.

Wow. That's a lot of school. I don't believe. I don't believe that that's too many. That's I went to like eight or some shit.

I don't know. And I was vicious. And it's it seems like I never I'm still spinning from it. So 50 I don't say he's called him a below average IQ, I believe is a follower, a personality that's clear, obviously relatively minor participation in the crimes compared to boys. And now he's acting under duress and fear of poisoning a comparatively lenient sentence for Lahm because she's going to get like I said, they give her a lesser sentence, his cooperation with police by confessing in participation in the murders.

Good record as an inmate since he's been in there for two years and his embrace of religion and Christian ministry to fellow inmates. That's what he's doing. The court contends that these mitigating factors are not sufficiently substantial to call for leniency. There was evidence at trial that his IQ was below average and that he did not have a leader type personality. They said that he was not like mentally disabled, though I'm not unable to make his own decisions or lacking the capacity to judge right for wrong.

They said that, yes, he has been a model inmate and made efforts to help fellow inmates and assist to the Christian ministry. It says, quote, While laudable, these mitigating factors are not nearly substantial enough to call for leniency in light of the aggravating crimes. You, sir, may fuck off gas chamber for you. Good death penalty, Mr. Anderson, I think. And they recommend that one. That's that's right, Anderson. Yeah, that's that's Arizona.

He's got a gas chamber there. November ninety eight is Poison's trial. Now, Robert Poison's says that he used weed and PCP as on an available basis. He said that's one of his main excuses when I've got it. Yeah.

He said that the only substance you use that day was weed six hours before that. So he reported smoking marijuana at least six hours before the Delahunt killing and eleven hours before the murders of Kane and Kagan.

And where there's smoke and dirt weed right there, 1996 dirt, they got a little bit of a headache for 20 minutes. And then they were there was not stoned from that nineteen ninety six garbage weed. This is shit I used to sell. Yeah. It's not it's not what it is. That Crystal is beautiful, smelling like a fucking garden shit.

Now where two hits zero is like where am I. What's my name. Oh yeah. Stuff you could smoke all day long and just have a headache.

That's it. And time goes the little man. My head's feeling you turn your head and Tigist goes good, good, good, good, good, good. Yeah, that's the way it is. So he also claimed to have a PCP flashback during the murder, but the trial court was like, what?

Are you fucking kidding me? That is ridiculous. Pasiphae at the moment. Exactly. They said, you know, that's ridiculous. He was able to concoct a ruse to get bullets from the neighbor. As dumb as it was, it still worked. I had the foresight to test the rifle, hide the rifle, cut the phone line. They were like, you are good, you know what the fuck you were doing. And they tell him you're guilty.

Everything guilty of everything. His sentencing here, aggravating factors that they find, obviously, that the murders were especially cruel and that that he had been convicted of multiple homicides during the same offense and he was getting expectation of monetary gain or some sort of gain, pecuniary gain. So you get your, you know, truck there. Mitigating evidence was that he was of low average intelligence. You're a little dumb. There's a lot of people that are a little dumb.

And they said there's there's that that was true. Also presented evidence that he was immature and easily led by others. One of his cousins said that he believed because he lacked a consistent father figure growing up, he was prone to be influenced by older men like Frank Anderson.

But he was the one telling the aggressive shit. So they said, that's fine and dandy. His age is is a mitigating circumstance. However, in light of his criminal history, he was not your average nineteen year old. He had a longer criminal history. They do say he suffers from certain personality disorders, which contributed to the chaotic environment which he was raised, other peoples or disorders as well. She said there was among other things, this was a psychiatrist.

No appropriate model for moral reasoning within the family setting to which he could look for guidance, for guidance, she said. There's some indications that he was responsive to the structure provided in various placements and that he might be. Habilitative. So the trial court said he suffered to prove that he came from a dysfunctional he didn't prove that he came from a dysfunctional background or that he suffered from physical or sexual abuse as a child. And they they said that he he had some mental abuse by several stepfathers and his maternal grandmother.

And he reported one instance of sexual abuse by a neighbor, but had no proof or anything like that. And he just brought it up. Then as the only time he brought it up, they went. That's not really a very mitigating. But I'll tell you what, as you, sir, may fuck off death penalty for you, too. Wow, you got it. I'm sorry that I'm out like fucking candy.

Yeah, he appeals based on a bunch of bullshit. It's a bunch of bullshit. He appeals based on literally. His appeal is they didn't Mirandize me and they have him recording where he says it back to them.

They they start reading and he goes, yeah, I know. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, you know, for memory. And he starts reading back the fucking Miranda rights and he goes, you know, you understand all that. And he goes, yeah, the judge is like, you cut the guy off and finished it for him. Right? Not only did he not get to finish, you said it.

So it shows how much more you know it by you saying it rather than reading it. Taped interview. Also the bloody palm print. They tried to say that there was some chain of evidence thing, but it wasn't. It was really weird the way they tried to do it. Basically, they tell him that you keep fucking on go away. You're not you're not getting out. So they unanimously uphold the conviction in two thousand four and the death sentence, Anderson.

Meanwhile, in 2000, has his death sentence overturned based on a jury selection thing. Oh, Christ. Ridiculous little technicality.

And he needs a retrial, but they quickly do that and convict him again and fuck right off to the gas chamber again. With the second time, two times two time loser for honourary 2011, he appeals arguing evidence of his sexual relationship with Lane, who was 14 years old at the time, poison the proceedings from the outset because they were like, oh, this guy is a pedophile. I'm sure he's a murderer. Yeah, when you do things, it wasn't like it was a past thing that had nothing to do with that moment.

You were saying I was jealous. This guy was your excuse was he was on my girlfriend. So, yeah, they said that, you know, he said it was extremely prejudicial. They said, though, his own counsel listed the evidence of his sexual relationship. So to bring that whole thing up. So, yeah, he appeals it here. He gets sentenced to a death sentence. There you go.

OK, Kimberly Lane, two thousand four is released from prison. OK, so they let her out in two thousand, way less than one hundred years, way less than nine and nine years. Yeah.

So she was twenty two when she got out. So chance for a life but with her background. And I hope that she does something to try to help herself. She gets away from the family maybe. Yeah. Because she's up. Yeah. Who knows. Man that's rough. So 2011 Robert Poison's in prison where he should be. He says quote, All my life I used excuses for what I did and for what I for why I did what I did.

And I blamed a lot of people. But after you've been locked down like I am and I have to face the possibilities of dying soon, begin to think and evaluate your life and you soon realize it's no one's fault but your own. You see, it was hard for me to see and face my problems. So I began getting into trouble. It was the rush I got when I got away with it, but that got so old. So I went up the drug chain.

I avoided the one thing I should have faced. Responsibility. Yes. And even in prison, he's in trouble for disobeying orders and fighting and doing all sorts of dumb shit in there to twenty thirteen. He appeals again. And this is based on his history of that the court failed to consider his history of drug abuse. And yeah. So they say no, still fucking that. Go ahead. Twenty, thirteen, twenty eighteen. He appeals again.

This time this appeal is based on it's a three judge panel in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in California said the Arizona Supreme Court improperly dismissed mitigating circumstances in the case because there was no direct link or casual nexus between those circumstances and the crime. This violated his Eighth Amendment protection against cruel and unusual punishment. And it came in the midst of a 15 year period during which the court consistently applied an unconstitutional casual nexxus test death sentence overturned what life in prison instead.

And so he is serving life in prison. Kimberly Lane is walking around somewhere on the street. Anderson is on death row or whatever. He's pre death row or whatever the fuck it is. So that's how that works.

That's Golden Valley, Arizona. Everybody pack up. It's a scummy, as expected, got yourself a travel. Trailer and head on by. Good Lord, if you are wise and got it overturned, yeah, and Anderson's going to die, which is about right. Yeah, that's about right. Yeah, I figured everything worked out about right.

Yeah. You know what I mean. Kimberly. Oh, poor Kimberly. It's Harpur more or Kimberly. God, I hope she gets a lot every day. What she did. She needs a lot of counseling that girl just to get her life, just to get her. Got a good mental state to be able to have a life, not to put too much onus on her.

But what do you think the outcome is if those boys tell her to do what she needs to do and she goes no matter what?

I mean, do you think it even happens? I'll bet it doesn't happen. I bet it happens.

That was just one way of luring him to the trailer. He could have been like, hey, I'm gonna show you something, come here. And he would have done it a different way. I, I like him one way or another. Just the easiest way to do it was get him in the what what does a 14 year old boy want, a 14 year old girl. Yeah, of course their science teacher.

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