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Hey, guys, I'm Sean Hayes here with Jason Bateman, Will Arnett, and we do a show called Smart List and it's one of us brings on a guest. Guess the other two don't know about it. It's a surprise for you.

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My God. Late for something. Honestly, what's wrong?

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I'm telling people who haven't just turned it off hearing that. All right. Well, and by the way, why do we need the people know what they have just clicked on? We don't need to repeat.

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Some people don't know what they're clicking on. Imagine how drunk some people must be. Well, that's true. Loaded. They've had a couple on their leg and they hit it by mistake. They butt dialed the podcast. Well, they're better not throw up on our faces.

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You're listening to Smart Lizardo. Smart.

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Because I feel like we're stretched out real good right now, I'm feeling OK, I'm ready for the game. Well, well, what what are you really doing?

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I was just looking up some stuff. I just, you know, I'm just I'm getting ready to go. Oh, it's your guest, right? He's my guest. And this is prepping on our time. It no, but here's the thing.

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It's like how do you how do you save it for the guests? So how do you how do you introduce when you're thinking about somebody that you want to think about, what's the best way to introduce them, what's the best way to do them justice in?

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And it's all stuff that should have happened about an hour ago at the latest.

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Well, I tell you what, in lieu of how you say it, like you. In you. In you. Here comes the French Year, by the way.

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You know, I had a dream last night that I was speaking for French and somebody said the worst part of it just before you roll your eyes, get ready to roll your eyes at this part. I was in a room full of people. There was somebody there. I spoke French to them and the other people said, oh, you speak French? And I went, Oh, yeah, I'm kind of fluent in French. It was the even I was disgusted by my own reaction in the dream.

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Say say even I was disgusted by my own reaction to my dream in France.

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Well, ma'am, you said they got on my mama. Wow.

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I know. So, listen, sounds like a real hockey player. Yeah. This this this guest that we have on on this, are we doing this right now?

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We in our podcast right now, this is the show. We're already in the podcast. That's what's so great about the podcast space, as somebody told me it's called, is that we're always in it the second.

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We're just we're in it.

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It's a space. And it's just so conversational. Right. I know. It's like you and I, we just talking and we just we're like on a party line, right? We were kids. Sure. Shut up.

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One 800 two out. Two to two is the party. Let's bring in the guests already.

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This person is a this person is an American icon, an American institution in their own right, this person. Has 14 number one hits, why 14? Yeah, Billboard hits, this person is a is a writer. This person is a.. A singer. This person is a performer. This person is sneaky. Hilarious. This person is dun dun dun. Mr. Brad Paisley. Brad Paisley.

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Sean, do you say to my friend.

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Hello, Brad. Jason, I've always wanted to hang with you and talk dodgers. So I'm hoping that's what this is starting off. Great. This is great to see you guys. Go ahead and shut down.

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Have you two never been to a baseball game together? Well, we've been there at the same time, but we didn't actually drive in the same car or anything. How often do you go there?

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How many games you get to? I probably get to 15 or 20 a year.

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Wow. Why don't why don't we carpool or something or get snacks together? That's great. A decent guy. You're you're. Yeah. Let's do it. Well, tell him, Sean. You know what I tell you.

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Brad, it's great to see you, by the way. Thank you so much for coming and whatever. Whatever.

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Well, so, Sean, wait, Will and Jason, you know that Brad and I play this Zoome Maffia game with a bunch of people like once, twice a week every week.

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Come on, there's a zoom there. Zoom game. Oh, it's fun. There's the mafia. It's a lot of fun.

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OK, who else is in the Zumar? Now, I wanted we haven't really talked about this.

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It's kind of a circle of trust. They are real loud. Maybe we're not about initials.

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And then we can get we can cut it. We can cut it. If we have if we have regrets, we can cut it.

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Well, there's a lot of the Groundlings. Oh, my wife's in it. But, you know, a lot of the a lot of the Groundlings and it's it's a lot of fun. It's actually something we tried when this began because we were doing these games at Kevin Nealon and Kevin and Susan Ellen's house in person and having a ball. And then we had this idea. It's like, well, maybe to work on and it actually does. Yeah, it's super fun.

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Is Sean any good at it, Brad? And I know you'll be honest.

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No, you have to talk like a mafia person like you. Yeah. You know, you just slick back your hair, Jason. You talk like you did when you were ten.

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Jason, have you now you've played a mafia. You played a dockworker in Philly before, right? What was his name?

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Yeah, that was I believe was called Philly Boy Philly. Give us a little bit of that. Can you give us a little bit. Boy, it's it's been so long because, you know, there is a difference between a New York accent and a Philly accent, I'm not sure you know that.

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I can't wait to hear the difference. What's the show?

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I don't know what that difference is, but that's what I was being screamed at while I was doing doing the movie because I was missing it.

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But you feel like after all these years that you maybe you forgot about it.

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Oh, golly, I don't drop that drop that pallet over here. Just put it down to drive a forklift. That's real. That's actually really good, Jason.

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Well, I think we just lost our listener know that.

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Well, what I was going to say was, first, just getting back to the baseball, Brad, you have to understand, the first time I went to a Dodger game with with Jason, I was really excited because he's a big Dodger.

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This is such a terrible story. It's so meaning. It's hurtful. It's not hurtful, first of all. Well, to me, it was. It was I'll never forget it. It was my worst nightmare. It's not the first one. The first game is not what you think it is.

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I'll tell you that the real thing, the story here was we get to the game parks in his spot and Jason opens up the glove box. And there he's got two little sort of old school transistor radios that with a one earpiece and he hands one to me and I go, What's this? He goes, Yeah, we listen to the game the whole time. I go, Oh, yeah, yeah. There's not a lot of talking.

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So we get to the game, the whole experience, and he puts his radio and he's just zoned out. He's watching the game. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to a baseball game with a guy. And now we're not even there's no chitchat. Maybe the seventh inning, like, hey, I guess we're not going to sit there in the desert for three hours.

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I'll bet you he doesn't do that with other people. There's a good chance I'd never do that to you, Brad.

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Ever. No, we would have meaningful discussions during the game. Sure we would. We get there early. Right. We'd stay late. Would help them clean up. Absolutely.

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This is so hostile, this environment. But the next one of the other times I've been I've been we've been a few times. One time I went, Jason had a he used to take his glove with him to catch the odd, you know, foul ball. You've got to stay ready.

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And we during the seventh inning, you got to put it on the seat between us. I picked up the mitt and we were just absent mindedly just chit chatting. The game starts at this point. We were chit chatting, full disclosure. And Dave Roberts, who at the time was playing for the Dodgers, it's a foul ball.

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And we both stand it's coming towards us and it's coming right towards Jason, right towards him. And at the last second, I reach in front of him with his own glove and snagged the foul ball. You caught a foul ball. I caught it in front of Jason's hands like he's got the glove for one batter.

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I've got it for one batter and snag it.

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And then I'm up on the Jumbotron like, you know, hero like you hear about heroes all the time. But this is a real hero. Sure.

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And look at nobody's like you. And I look at Jason's face. I looked at him and he's so sunken and sad.

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And usually the person you're standing next to, you actually catch a foul ball. He's just got nothing but high fives loaded for you. And I just couldn't have been sadder.

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The disappointment oozing from his body. I understand you took the ball. You handed me the MIT back, and I think you said, are you good to go?

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I think you're ready to leave. Right. He was confused. He was confused how long the third period was going to last. Yeah.

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We in Canada. Yeah. He want to get out of that, you know. Anyway, so that's that's what you got to look forward to. But I'm excited for you.

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I we'll have fun. Yeah we will. I think it's great and we'll do lots of talking. Brad, can you tell us because by the way, I was going to probably see you. I'm not going to see you tonight, but you're not going to be there tonight.

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Wait now how are you guys all friends? How do you guys know Brad Paisley, for God's sakes, where have I been? What's wrong with my phone number?

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I think I will exchange and we're done. And then it'll be it'll be great. You mean? Yeah.

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This is my job to make them jealous for the next year or so.

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Just you and I, we're moving and we're yeah.

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We're going to be like dressing in blue and white the whole time and. Yeah.

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Face painting each other. You guys go, go, start without me. I'll catch up. But listen, how do you guys know each other?

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Sean and I are through our friends that we do Matthew with and then Will and I also I don't send anything Will's way because chunks got something in his mouth.

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Hey man, can you wait till we're done doing the podcast for you? Start snacking. Are we all right? I got to stay fueled up, man. You have any idea what I'm doing over here on a visit?

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Yeah, it's obvious what you're doing. You're tanning bed and you're you're like, look at you.

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Sure. My tanning bed is called planet Earth Bread and Crosthwaite and tanning bed. It it's got a job.

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Most people would wear a darker color, but Will's got bright white light on to show off the tan. It makes a tan pop.

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I knew there was when I was putting the shirt on because I didn't have a shirt on for most of the day.

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Guys, here we go with the thought I am running, I am really leaving myself open. And then I thought, you know what, fuck it. Let them take their shots, you know, don't let them punch themselves out. And then I'm going to come back soon. Wait a minute.

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I have to jump in here. OK, Brad, I saw your dick concert. It was amazing. Thank you. And will you tell people how that came together and like what you did and. By the way, the speech that you gave, when you're playing the guitar like all the kids and it was just so moving and inspiring was one of the graduation shows? No, actually, what this was, was Bud Light sponsored us to set our whole basically we set our whole tour up an entire arena show, 60 foot video wall, and then spent three days setting it up, everybody wearing masks.

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Until the show started, all the band members had to be 10 feet apart. And we did our show live via YouTube and Facebook. And Bud Light paid for it. And it was really neat because it was like the only strange part is in between every song we had, our lights, our video and everything. But in between each song, there was no applause.

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Obviously, other than every now and then, I would like browbeat my sound guy.

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Welcome to Will's world. Yeah. Yeah, right. And Bud paid for it in Bud Light, right? They paid for it in Bud Light. They've been doing that for many tours, that one.

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So when you usually would say, like Detroit, you know, between you what you scream. Is it YouTube?

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Yeah, that'll work. You can also, you know, Internet.

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You can use Internet digital. So what's that? So you're out you're at a full blown stadium arena or whatever, and you're literally looking out to an empty house. It's I would imagine it'd be like a recurring nightmare for you, but it was shot so beautifully.

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I was looked so cool. Plenty of room for camera moves out there, you know. Yeah, we had a drone flying around it. Sure. I'll bet you you can't do that with an audience. Yeah. No risk. No, there's no crash and hit anybody. Well could I guess.

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But it was really weird because it was normal in the middle of the show and the spotlight's on and the lights are doing their thing and then you kind of forget about the audience anyway half the time when you're playing in the middle of a song and then after the song, it's like, well, we suck.

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Yeah, nobody can. It was just so dead silent.

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Yeah. It's not how it was viewed at all. I mean it was so bad.

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You do this huge concert that's put over the Internet. It's massive and it's weird because you're doing it in front of this, you know, no audience and stuff and that sensation, how weird that is.

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Take us back to your first tour. What was that? Where was it? What was that? How'd that come together?

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That was really interesting, because when you're new, you do everything free. So because you don't have an audience. So I had a struggling first single that took 37 weeks to get to number 12 on the billboard chart. First single. It was a good song, but, you know, it is it was we were begging and borrowing and stealing every bit of airplay we could get. But my second single ended up changing everything.

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And it was my first number one song. It was actually the first like it was kind of a tight ship at that time in country music.

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They weren't letting anybody new in. And it was the first number one single from a new artist in like five or six years. Wow. And it was called He Didn't Have to be. And it was written about my best friend who's a stepfather, and it was written about a dad who is the daddy doesn't have to be in any way at it.

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It just generated so much. And I ended up winning awards for that and getting nominated for a lot of things. And that changed everything.

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And what year was that about? It went number one in nineteen. It came out in 1999. I think it went number one in like January of 2000. So, you know, 20 years ago and but that first tour, it's like I had here's what's crazy.

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I have the same band today that I had done from that first tour. Yeah, same six guys are with me. That's so great. And we've been through it all.

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I mean, when my when I met Kim, my wife, she came out on the road with us and we had to kick somebody out of their bunk because it was a 12 bunk bus and we had 12 people on it, 12 bunks were taken. So she ended up getting like the keyboard players bunk and he had to sleep on the couch in the front of the bunk. That was that first tour when she came out. And and then she remembers when we got our trailer that you could pull behind the bus with gear in it.

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We weren't running things anymore and that was huge. So that's kind of nice that she saw us go from that.

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Brad, I toured with Kenny Rogers. Yes. You're hearing that correctly.

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Al, what do and what were you doing with him? I was a Christmas elf, and it was his Christmas. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. And it was his Christmas tour. And I slept on those buses, too, and I hated it.

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I don't understand how you can do that for 20 years. I mean, do you don't mind being on the road and living in those quarters on those buses?

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It was just we we do a different scene.

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Nashville, so centrally located, we don't have to go six months. Oh, OK. OK, it's like leave Thursday night. Be home Saturday night.

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Oh. Then forget it. And that's kind of fun. Yeah. I mean yeah.

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Sorry you're you're not supposed to go to the bathroom on the bus is that right. I'm not true. It's in a lot of the lease buses. That's true.

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In ours we have what's called a grinder and it's so the way it goes and it. Yeah.

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Is that the one you swipe. Is that that the dudes or the girls.

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Oh look at him asking so innocently. Yeah, it's the guy.

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It's the guy. It's the guy one. OK, that's the guy. And if you like somebody you go left or do you go right either way on that one.

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OK, you just go straight up. Yeah.

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Let's do this. So I will still chewing. We can hold all the weight on. Well no, no.

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I took this opportunity because I didn't have anything to add to the grinder so. Yeah.

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So explain to me what a grinder does Brad on the bus. Oh my God. Think of it as like a food disposal. But it's the other end of the food spectrum.

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Yeah. Yeah. But why would you need to grind it up? That's that's not the problem. Since, like, you'd be you'd be agitating the odor by by blending it.

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Well you'd think, but it works surprisingly well. I think what happens is it liquefies it before it will go in the septic tank. The bus will go ahead and enjoy your your balance bars.

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Well, we'll we'll actually wanted me to ask this. He was too embarrassed to ask you ask me to ask you which direction did the wheels on the bus go round and round actually.

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Yeah.

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Sure that's better. Help help dotcom slash smartass. Now, what about videos? What kind of lahn do the videos take in today's sort of music industry? Are they are they helpful or are they just additive?

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They've been relegated to to the berm of the highway where it's not even really doing them. You know, you don't really make him anymore at all.

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We do them, but they don't matter like they did, like they used to be that you'd air them on television. No one on television even shows them anymore. And it's so like when you make a video, it's kind of a promotional tool and it's a little more like you want it to be. Something interesting to watch on Instagram more than you do, more than you care about.

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Do you pay for it or is the record company pay for it? Usually you split it with that. You would think that it would be a relevant thing and an attractive piece of media, considering all the like Instagram watching and the tech talking or whatever the hell is going on. I mean, you need to watch your favorite artists sing the song that you love. They're on your phone. You're listening to it already on your phone. You, I think.

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Yeah. In fact, there isn't there there's I was watching my daughter. She had some one of these pop stars singing a song on the on her iTunes and on the iTunes. On the iTunes.

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You could touch the screen and you see the the artist might not necessarily be singing the song, but they're doing some other stuff for wouldn't. What is that called? Is that like today's video?

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Yeah, I'm not sure what that is necessarily because I'm as old as you, but I think that I see Spotify did something awesome for a while.

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They did vertical videos and so you'd hold your phone and it would be if you had to make it specifically for Spotify. And when you were listening to the song, you could do that. And it's a video the artist made that's just for Spotify that was like straight up and down. That's what it is.

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Some artists, it still comes up when you on Spotify. I like that.

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I think that's cool. But you'll get more views on the lyric video these days half the time than you will on something like 300. Those things are huge.

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Yeah. What's a lyric video? It's basically the bouncing ball. It's like the walls go across the screen as. Yeah. So everybody can learn it. Yeah.

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But with, with a visual of use of you performing the song as well. Now it's not just the words. Oh yeah.

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Yet another reason you should learn how to read Jason.

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I mean right there sounds exhausting. Yeah. It's not worth honestly. Wait a minute though are you. So Brad are you saying that and Jason are you both saying that the like making a music video is is required but kind of pointless at the same time?

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Like because I, you know, everybody for four years was like, is MTV as MTV going to come back with videos?

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I remember watching MTV, they would play music videos and we would associate it would give us something to associate the song with. And now you have chosen the song.

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But I can't imagine like well, like you're saying to is like it seems it's just a viable outlet to promote the song and they were label would have would back it a little mini movies.

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They were fantastic. And then they were so engaging just as little pieces of sort of narrative that it got to the point. So I understand it that bands had to be told and they were required to at least for two or three seconds in every video, be playing their instruments like you had to show you had to. It was like a legal requirement that you had to be playing your instruments for like three. Otherwise you can, you know, walk around and be jumping in pools or whatever the hell the video is.

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But you literally had to be seen playing your instruments, singing the song for a little bit because they became such engaging little tiny mini movies.

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Yeah, that's probably that's probably the case. I mean, in our in our town, some did better than others. I had a great run where I had some that really mattered. The first one that really mattered for me was that was like bigger than the song at first, which was a song. And I'm going to miss her, which is a funny song about fishing. And it's basically the hook of the song is, you know, get it the hook.

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Yeah. If I hit that very good. If I hit that fishing hole today, she'll be back all the things and she'll be gone by noon. Chorus Well I'm going to miss her, you know, and at the end of the chorus it's like, oh look there, I've got a bite.

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And and so I had this idea and I went to the label and I said, I want to get I'm a you know, throw the book at it and I want to hold a fake fishing tournament. Dan Patrick will be the announcer. And then second half of the song, All the Wives.

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I'm going to have some other country singers and stuff in it all their wives end up on The Jerry Springer Show, mad at us talking about how their husbands have abandoned them.

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And we did all that, like we pulled that off. That thing still exists. And as you can imagine, that was sort of like a watershed moment for me because I went in there and kind of called my shot. I sort of pointed at the left field wall and I'm going to get all these people. And I didn't know Jerry Springer. I didn't know Dan Patrick at the time, but I called him up and they did it.

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But you'd had you'd had a fair bit of success by that point. You know, I'd had I'd had to. No one's at that point. Yeah, that'll do it. What was that feeling?

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Because as a. Alluded to when when when I did the intro, you've had I think it's 14, no one's 22, but it's not a whole nother touchdown is getting fired.

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We all know who took it. I mean, 22, so.

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So 22. So now it's kind of like, yeah, 22. But I mean, that first number one was that that moment.

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Do you remember that moment of like it was great because here's what it was, is that first of all I was telling you about that was like I didn't even think it'd be a single it was this really heartfelt song about the plight of sort of a stepdad trying to sort of be everything his kid needs. And we were in a battle to try to get no one the way no one's work. It's like anything in our industry and your industry to where it's just politics and it's a game and it's who got the most spins that week.

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And a lot of times that's manipulated and purchased and, you know, it's flyways and giveaways and all these things to get it there.

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And and we were in a just knock down, drag out battle for number one the week it was going. And I went to WSM to be on the radio on a Monday morning, which is the oldest radio station in country music. It's the place where the Opry started in the 20s and it's a.m. and I went and did an interview with the woman that was the deejay there. And she's still on to this day. And we were talking about the songs.

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She's like, I really hope this goes number one today. I know you guys are trying and I'm driving home from the Grand Ole Opry House and I'm on the interstate and and I'm and I'm listening to Vuh driving down the road. And she comes on and says, Brad Paisley, if you're listening, your song just went number one.

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That's on the radio station. That's that. I had to, like, pull over.

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I was like, I I'll to the second number one felt pretty good, too, because if you had any doubt that maybe the first one was like, you know, oh yeah, maybe I'm a one hit wonder or maybe I'll never be able to do it again or whatever, like boom did it again. And then the third one was like, oh, I'm going to be around a while now.

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Well, all of them were a struggle. They were all a struggle in the beginning. Like the first three weren't I wasn't like I set the world on fire. My third single went to sixteen and died.

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It was still kind of a hit, but it didn't have the legs to go all the way up the chart, sort of like me and my legs either.

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Never have your legs. Beautiful. Brad, don't say thanks. I appreciate that.

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But so that one went number one and then the one after it, we struggled to get it to number two and it went all the way to number two. And it wasn't really set in the world of art. And that's when I went into my record label after that fourth single and I'd had to number one. But every other song was sort of a lot of work. And I begged them to let me release this fishing song. And they just kept saying, women are going to be offended by that.

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They're going to be so offended that you're saying you want to go fishing instead of stay with your girlfriend. And it was like, I don't think they are. I think they know us.

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And it set the world on fire in our in my industry.

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And my album was like at the time here I was with a song that went to number two and I was like 35 on the chart. My album went from 35 to two in three weeks when the fishing song came out. Wow. Have you gone fishing with Kemel? No, I never have.

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But he he goes up and goes fly fishing with like Huey Lewis every year now.

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And is fly fishing your thing or do you do a different kind of. I can. I'm not as good at it, but I love it. Do you go.

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It's I've never have. But the way he talks about those trips, I'd like to I'd like to learn just just to go on it. You should jump. We should plan one and do that sometime.

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We were going to go we went on like spring break together with all the kids and stuff. And it was Molly's birthday. And we're in this beautiful place. And there was like lots of it. And Jimmy's like, anybody want to go fishing? And of course, we were like, no, Jason and Jason. I did not go out with the guy.

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Yeah, but he's getting up at 4:00 in the morning and jackass and three hours to whatever the fishing hole is. What I'm talking about, like these are like dedicated trips where you got to, like, check in with a bunch of horses and stay in a lodge and things like that. I that sounds sounds good from here, but I'd probably start whining about thread count as soon as soon as I got out there. You know, these sheets or sheets are too rough.

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My nipples are real.

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I got I got to sleep on the shirt on now. Absolutely.

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I get that right. I have a cheesy songwriting question. So Brad, when you and I play, you know, maffia through with all of our friends, Brad, off the top of his head, it made me laugh.

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So off the top of his head, something like this whole town is so fucked up, a whole bunch of cars and pickup trucks like that. But like it was a whole song like and in at the top of your head, which is so mind, we did a mafia where I scored the session bass.

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Yeah, he's to die and we'd start singing something and yeah.

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It was so funny. What was. Unbelievable. So how do you do that, A and B, because I think that's remarkable and one of the cheesiest all time questions anybody could ask a songwriter, but I'm always intrigued because everybody has a different process, lyrics first or music first.

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And why I think it could be either on the lyrics or music is just for me.

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It's never that hard to kind of find a melody for something if I have a good idea of what a great lyric ought to be like, if I have a good idea or good ideas like the kind of thing that you like, oh man. I got to write that and the melody will find it. But lyrics are the hard part. That's the part that you don't you don't want.

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I don't like things that are cliched and feel totally just tired and retread.

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I love those songs. Those are my favorites. Are they. Yeah.

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Where would you go to for help for lyrics like do you like read poetry. Do you do you look at certain certain authors. Do you.

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Yeah. I mean it can be anywhere. There's a there's a songwriter in Nashville named John Adams who's written some big songs over the years, who I saw him say something once at a writer's night at the Bluebird Writers Night, and it stuck with me and it was don't expect output if you don't have input. You know, if this was a computer, you have to have input.

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I mean, it's like so read and and listen to things and watch movies and all of it. I mean, I've gotten songs from the strangest lines. I think there's a arrested development line that I used as a basis for a hook of a song once, and I can't remember which one it was. I had a song called Sleeping on the Foldout on my first album. That's literally from Seinfeld. Remember when remember, that's about basically then of course, the song is an old fashioned country, like sleeping on the foldout, thanks to me and my big mouth.

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Why did I say what I said or whatever?

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You know, your wife basically makes you sleep on the couch. And it came from when when Jerry's like going down to Florida and George is like, you know, going to sleep on the foldout. He's like, yeah, got my back on be, you know, and it's like, oh, that's pretty good. Country girl sleeping on the phone, huh.

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That's so that's so incredibly country. That's one of the great things about country makes it so accessible because it talks about just these, these things, these real life like me and my big mouth. I got to sleep on the on the foldout. It's like, you know, you know, this old truck, she she broke down and now I'm just looking for my dog. Right.

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Hang on. Let me write all this down. Yeah. I mean, this is pours out of him. This pours out of him.

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But I love it, but it's so, so great. That's what makes it so like there is that kind of I don't know what what is it folk poetry like it is like this thing that and it's sort of the narrative of your life and what's going on in the day to day. And obviously some of it's much bigger. But there is that thing that makes it so immediate. Yeah. That people can relate to it in its immediacy. It's it's not esoteric.

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I had really good teachers in that.

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Like one of my songwriting partners is a genius whose father was a songwriter and who did great. And his name is Chris Du Bois. And he always used to just brutally critique my songs in a great way. And he's he's somebody that we own a publishing company together, but he's the kind of guy that's like, don't do that. You wouldn't say that. And that's a big thing with country songs. It's like you wouldn't say that. So why would you put that in a country song?

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And the best ones, whether you're listening to stuff like the old Harlan Howard songs or something from our format and Johnny Cash or anything like that, or even John Prine, who I consider practically a country writer in so many ways. It's just like you wouldn't say that. Don't sing it. It's that's that's a big problem. It's like when you can't put your finger on why you don't like a line in the song, it's usually. Oh yeah, I'd never say that.

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Like there's pet peeves for me of of songs that will say, you know, instead of saying it the way you'd say it, they rhyme a word.

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It's like, you know, snow that's white or something, you know, and it's like you say snow that's white because you just it's freakin snow.

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You just write what is the. I think I think anybody would agree. As soon as you start hearing a country song, you know, it's a country song irrespective of of the of the lyrics.

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There is a there's a sound to a country song. And it's not just a slide guitar. What is is there an element, a component, a recipe that. Oh, no, guys, we've got to change it. This sounds too much like a rock song where this sounds too much like a disco song or this like like what do you have to have in a country song for it to be in the lane that the expectant audience is looking for?

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I think you're hitting the nail on the head in one way and that it's there's always something that makes it there. If you have a rock B and a lyric about something completely sort of urban, it's not a country song. But if you have a rock the. And you're singing about I'm taking my baby out into this cornfield tonight, right? Yeah, we're going away in the bed of my truck. You could be as heavy metals.

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You want countries like, you know, some with you could have a something where there's a banjo underneath and it's like, well, immediately that becomes a little inbred.

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It's good, but there's hope. But there's not there's not there's on the melodic essential ingredient.

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Yeah, I think there is, but I'm not sure exactly what. Yeah. I think it's that there's that one thing that feels and sometimes it's the singer like somebody else. Waylon Jennings once what makes a song country is like when I sing it it's country. Yeah.

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There's something that era. Yeah. Well I tell ya I know. And it's like you could sing you know. Right. You know.

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As there is a genre of music that you just will not listen to, that you just do not like, well, that was I was going to say what would we be surprised? I listened to a lot of other stuff, like I listened to less country these days than I did early on in my life.

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I you know, I listened to a lot of I like alt rock. I really do. I like I like everything from obscure British bands to I love like doors, you know, I'm talking about.

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But they're kind of country. But like that's a great you know, I like Coldplay. I like all that. I like.

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Where do you put Wilco? There's sort of a country hybrid, right? Absolutely. I love Wilco.

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I love Wilco. You know, the band before you like Uncle Tupelo, that band that used to be Wilco and some.

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Yes. Came out of. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think I mean, things like that intrigued me because they get away with little tricks that it's like, oh, I'll try to do that kind of thing right there. Tweedy's always thinking of something that's like, oh, that's pretty neat.

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There's like sonic sort of atmospheric sort of soundscape at times. Right. And then they'll go right into a do a banjo, sort of typical for for something. And and yeah.

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It's really what about what about other classic like Americana bands like like RTM. What would you think was that did you listen to that. Absolutely.

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Well they were yeah. They were big when I was in school. So, you know, I mean, where did you go to school? I mean, like college. Yeah, college. I went to Belmont in Nashville. I moved here to go to to Belmont University. But I'm from West Virginia.

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So, I mean, see, I got out of getting beat up in high school by learning how to play Clapton and Van Halen stuff in a guitar, you know, so it'd be like it was like a scene in one of those and Thriller or something where they're about to beat me up and it's like little whip out a ukulele and you're all set.

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Absolutely. Yeah. So so then knowing all that to Sean's original point, which I cut it out, what will you not listen to?

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That's a good question. I don't like steel drum music.

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I mean, you know, I'm saying like that that immediately reggae. I like I like reggae to a point, but like steel drum music, that's about that instrument bothers me.

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Yeah, sure. Little, you know, rhinovirus on a cruise. And it's still there are never the same rhinovirus.

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Where are you on the that that yelling the yelling rock. What's it called. The Oh death metal. There's screaming. Yes that's me.

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Love that rattling rock. Well I don't but here's the thing that's fun about it.

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Hey you can imagine Jason holding a newspaper as a car goes by in his neighborhood, got turned down, not yelling down that racket.

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I do something really fun with my kids. So there's Liquid Metal is a channel on Sirius and then there's fifty on five. OK, so if you take on your car dial and you put liquid metal and fifties on five side by side and you save them on your presets, go back and forth. It's the greatest entertainment in the history of life.

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Is this like all the chapel bells were ringing just as you go back? I was singing in the square. You know, I'm. Oh yeah. Oh my God. And you go back and forth and it's fantastic.

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Are they old enough to love that? How old are they? They're 11 and 13. Yeah, we've been doing that for years, though. They would howl like every now and then we get one where it was like, you know, something about, you know, the sweet little angel and then all of a sudden die.

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Yeah. Now, is that a boy and a girl? Girl and a boy. Two boys. Two boys. How is that 11 and 13. That sound boy. Two boys. Have you how many times you've been in the emergency room.

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Let's see, three. Three times three and four. What about you? Will are you there yet.

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We've been a few times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've had multiple stitches past three.

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I've had multiple times with my 11 year old with Archie where he's like getting stitches in his head and his toe and I'm having to help hold him down and he's looking at me going why not?

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Like it's heartbreaking, man. I mean you have Jason, you have I got two girls. Thirteen and eight. Oh, man, that's not easy. The only one emergency room visit. And that was for yourself, right?

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Yes. Yes. For my broken heart.

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Because they weren't listening. Sean, I get it. I get it now. But that 13 year old's really starting to run her mouth. So we could end up back there pretty pretty soon.

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You know, I get it, though, my 13 year old, the boy, it's like there was this day where it switched. It was like, wait, as teenagers.

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What the heck is that? It's at eleven, right? It's at eleven, isn't it.

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What with him it was it was like he turned 13 and Kim was out of town. And so we had had the best night. I mean, we'd done this thing called LaVar LaVar Charging, which is this game we play where I'm Tottenham in the pillows. And we've been doing that since they were two. And then, you know, like. We were we I made them warm milk before bed, we did something else, and then they asked if they could do one more thing, which was like one other fun thing we do.

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And I said, no, it's bedtime. And he just went like immediately, just like, you know what, Dad? Oh, it is so stressful when mom's gone and I can't wait for her to come back and.

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Oh, my God.

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I was like like this this 13 year old came out and I went, oh, I get it. I don't look, I know what you're doing. And he went, What do you mean? I said, I was you and it's not going to work. I said, here's why it's not going to work. You're trying to hurt my feelings. You know what I love more than anything? I love being with you guys. And guess what I would not say to you.

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I can't wait for mom to get back. I wouldn't say that because I love this time to get Jet. I said, and you're trying to hurt me and it's not working because it didn't hurt. I said, I know what you're doing. And he went he started crying and he was like, I'm so sorry. And I was like, OK, I'm Andy Griffith, folks. I am Andy Griffith. You know what that is?

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All right. I've got a suggestion. Maybe this is a different way. Next time he does that, you go, hey, you know what, man? You hurt my feelings. And you need to know when I get low and my feelings are hurt, I write a hit song and you just made me millions of dollars.

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So go ahead. Yeah, do it because I am going to write a heartbreak song.

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I'm going to try that tactic next. Yeah. John and Scott don't have to worry about any stuff there. Yeah, no.

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Scotty and I don't have kids. I my favorite quote I think I have it right in my life was I'd rather regret not having kids than have them and regret it later. So I.

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That's healthy. That's good. Right. Right.

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But yeah, we always talk about having kids and I'm like 90 percent there. He's probably like eighty five percent there. But neither of us are 100 percent because if he was like, oh my God, I want kids so bad, I'd be like at least there's one of us I can hand the child off to.

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Right. Because they want that, you know, that's what in-laws or nannies or night nurse or or school.

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That's what school's for day care until about.

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Right. Right. Sean, Sean and I worked on a couple of shows together.

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My kids come and visit a lot and he just be like, Jesus, these kids can you just know I do not that well, the the thing about all of what I just said is I absolutely, truly do love kids.

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You know, I, I just think they're awesome. I just seems like it really seems like it.

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Yeah. Sean, why don't you just wait a little while longer, you know, be a start when you're sixty.

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Maybe when the kids be submissive. They're the little people. They're the smaller ones that are. Yeah. Can you get you guys have pictures or just get on it.

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Sean, you're going to love it and you got time to get your head around it while the kid learns how to walk and talk, it lets the parents become parents. The adults.

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Look, I have nine these nephews. I have got kids. I love all of them. I love spending time with them.

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I am one of them. Maybe one of them right now. Well, you know what? Do not play these games with me now. Sean, you work for JPL or is that just that?

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I moonlight. I moonlight there. I build. I built the rover. The Mars rover. Oh, yeah. I had a hand in that. No, I'm a fan of astronomy, sci fi science, all that kind of stuff.

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So I have gone on a couple tours at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, because it's close.

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And I actually did see the rover before it went to Mars. So it was wild to see in person a piece of spacecraft that actually is on another planet right now.

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Yeah, you must crush ass or catch what a catch you are. Yeah.

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With that intro, you could become the president of the GE's Propulsion Laboratory.

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Just incredible. That's one of those who says I'm not Jesus.

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And here here's our expert in propellant, jet propulsion. You know, Brad, I wanted to say this is the worst thing that all the kids out there looking for inspiration. Listen to our podcast. So, Brad, so you have all these kids, you're huge.

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Your students stop stroking my ego. This is propulsion expert.

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This is what I'm getting to the jet propulsion aspect of your life.

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Know, what I wanted to say was, but you do all this stuff and contribute and then you become and then you start. Well, first of all, you start doing these ads with Peyton Manning.

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I want to know, were you guys friends before you guys started doing these ads because they became omnipresent. And I think that that's it's a big campaign, but that's something that, like, opened you up to people who weren't necessarily familiar with that, with your music or that genre. How did that happen? And were you I always want to know where you guys buddies we didn't know each other that well.

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We'd seen each other at some things. And we're very complementary. And I liked him. I mean, I've been around him some he he's a comedic genius. Honestly, I mean that and I'm not throwing that out lightly. He really I've never seen anybody who's from the sports world that understands that like he does. He understands.

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I've long said he's the best comedic athlete of all time, without a doubt. I think his comedy chops are just he knows who he is. And so the way it came about was nationwide is on your side.

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They're on our side. They had this idea for a campaign that was really fun. That was what if there's more to the song than you know? And they're like, we want you to write like a verse about a guy that, you know, backs his RV over the flowerbed after he buys it for retirement. And so I did that and went and did some commercials for them just with a guitar like and in passing, when we were sitting there, they said, what else do you think we could do with this?

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And I said, Well, I think what would be fun is if Paten basically starts telling me how to do this and the next thing you know, they've booked a session. And the first, as we did with me in the studio, I sort of sang like a line. I'm like, what do you think? He's like better but here? And he starts like teaching me how to sing on the camera. And and it was way more comedy gold than I could have even imagined.

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They're great. They're really great.

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I remember when he came on SNL and my ex-wife is on there and he was just like he was just so much better and so much more than everybody expected.

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He was hilarious. I remember him on that. But anyway, so you do those things and shoot and did that kind of like change? Did you notice a change, like a shift? Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, it's interesting because it's a risky thing when you do a commercial, as you know, Will, because they can really backfire and people can look at you with less respect when it's over.

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No, I mean, I'd love to pull over here for one second, go down Will's commercial cannon right now. Well, she we do it alphabetically, so that's a lot of fun.

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You know, the old saying there's no selling out, there's only buying in. We'll be right back. Wow. Yeah, that's the thing.

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That is when you sign up for one of these campaigns, you're just it's like you hope it's going to be as great as you hope. And and then in the end, it's like it's rare that it's something that's that much fun. Like when we film these, it's so much fun. Anyway, we have a ball and then and a lot of them are ad lib like there's one. We're going down the road and he's trying to tell me how to write a song and that one where we're on that bus that was all ad libbed.

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And that's one of the better ones. It's just really it's really something I would do. Don't tell them this, but I would do it for free because it's so much fun. But I'm not going to you can tell.

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And you guys and you guys seem like old friends, too. I mean, it really reads that you guys and we are now. Yeah. We really are. Like one of the most eye opening moments of this pandemic has been on a Saturday night. I'm walking down to the barn on our farm and I'm just like my phone. I look down, there's a text from and he's like, hey, jump on the zoom right now. And I go, boom.

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And I jump in the zoom and he's like, OK, Brad Paisley is there and it's him and a bunch of football players. And he's like and an a newscaster and somebody else. And he's like, OK, get one famous person from your Rolodex and put them in right now. And so I texted Darius and I'm like, hey, what are you doing? He's like, I'm watching the R. Kelly documentary.

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And let's take a break.

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I'll tell you how it ends and then shower and then.

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Yeah, right.

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And so he jumps on and then Dan Patrick jumps on and Kevin Hart. And this was a Saturday night and it was everybody having like a Zoome drinking session, famous people, crazy, weird. And it was awesome.

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It was like, oh, this is this is really wild. These are people I have never, ever just hung out with on a Saturday night in another way, probably. And it was a lot of fun.

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Yeah. I think people discovered a lot of new ways to hang out, communicate, work during all this. There are some silver linings, I think I hope and Sean and I are having a ball of what we're doing.

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I mean, that that whole group we're in is really fun. It's this fake fake killing people stuff, fake killing people.

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Yeah, but it hasn't really given yet again, a good explanation as to why he can't get on tonight. Like what is he possibly doing.

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I know. I agree. OK, do you want to know for real. I'm sure we're going out again. Sean's power went out for 24 hours and you'd think that this guy that the pandemic was nothing compared to that.

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Once you get a generator, Sean. That's right. They may.

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Why don't you why don't you stay there and mind your own business?

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So the know Scotty has some friends that he a group of friends that he has, that they're all kind of like Trekkies and they all like, you know, so I call them the Apple Dumpling Gang.

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OK, so he has a meeting with the Apple Dumpling gang type boy.

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Once again, just the ass crushing. That must go on. All right.

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You guys are the nerdiest gay guys I've ever known. I was in percent consistently to Detroit recently.

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So after you're done thinking about science and space and stuff, then it's off the track. You keep it on on. The same sort of theme. Yeah, well, now, yeah, I am not a Trekkie, I'm more like a Star Wars person. Yeah, how how dare us write you just into rockets and stuff. Yeah, right. So Brad, I'll go fishing with all the guys, but I'll probably bring a bunch of sci fi DVDs of Star Wars DVDs and you'll be watching us play Star Wars cause.

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Yeah that's right, Luke.

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Do you guys ever do like a like a like a cause play like a two different worlds, the Star Wars versus Star Trek, like light saber battle. That would be great if I could get a video of you.

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Yeah, we yeah. We don't actually use the actual lightsaber to use other stuff, but you don't have to get down on that now.

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Yeah. Thanks, Sean. Thanks for ruining. Oh, said the guy who called me GE's Propulsion Laboratory.

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You're the president.

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That's right, I do. I don't just hand those hats out.

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Brad, you've been a very, very nice man, a very good sport. Had fun. Thank you very much for doing this.

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I'm honored. Honored to talk to you guys.

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It's been I'm looking forward to our future, our friendship coming up in our Dodger game. We are definitely going to a Dodger game one way or another. How often are you out here in L.A., us at a game?

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Amazing. Well, on a on a typical I'm going to pretend I didn't hear him say that.

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I'm just on a typical, like, time frame.

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We probably once a month for a week at least. All right. That we're out there a lot, but I go all the time. So we'll go we'll go hang out.

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And we may have to wait for a while, but at least we've got this right. We've got our resume session. We've got our podcast episode and and plans for the future. Yeah. What's better than that? Y'all hands in.

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See, the way I ended on a real up note like that, instead of the jizz stuff you were going with Will, by the way, even even in the best of times, as if Jason would put his hand into touch somebody else's hand, there's no way he be balled up the balled up with a sleeve over it.

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I got to know this, Brad. Brad, you're going to see this when you guys start hanging out. He'll go if you go to get something to eat, he goes as soon as you go to sit down at the restaurant, he goes and goes to the bathroom to wash his hands and he comes out like he's going into surgery. He's got his hands to the elbow. I mean, you can't kick the chair out and he kicks that.

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I won't touch the menu anymore. So I got to order first. Then then the boiled.

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Hey, I'm exactly with you. I will touch the menu either. By the way, I have one bone to pick with Jason now that I've met him. You were were you a guest on Nightrider?

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Yes, sir. Yeah, I drove the car. Fifteen. I was so happy I was your age when that happened.

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And I was so pissed that you do that a great week, right?

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Yeah. It was a very quick yes for me. I bet I'm just so upset about it. Still, you've been watching TV as long as I have.

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We got stuff to cover. I'm not going to bring the radio for our game. That's my promise.

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That'll be really that'll be really mean. That would mean a lot to me actually. Oh well how does that make you feel?

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Well, yeah, Sean, I'll just go hang with you and pretend that I don't know sports exist.

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You give me that foul ball back and I'll bring you one of the game. We'll watch the Mandalorian second season.

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Well, thank you, Brad. Man, you're a prince of a dude. Thanks, man, for coming, too. Well, it's been great. And we'll see you soon. I'll put you guys I'll send you each other's digits. How about that boy?

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Thanks, Willie. Thanks. Well, that's really cool.

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Cool way to put it to me. I got all the cool sayings. I got it on a ticker tape that comes out. Thanks, Brad. Thanks, guys.

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God bless you. Good luck with everything, CSI guy. So wait. Well, did you not know that I knew Brad, I didn't know that you guys knew each other? No. Oh yeah. And I can't check because I don't write like, hey, I'm going to have a guest on. I don't want to tell you it is, but do you know Brad Paisley?

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All right. Well, how long have you guys known each other?

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You know what? All the bids and all the jokes everybody made about my Gong Show, I had Brad on his way. He came on as a judge on the on The Gong Show.

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And, well, tell people you are a producer of The Gong Show.

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Yeah, I executive produced The Gong Show when we brought it back a couple of years ago. And I asked a lot of people to come and do it.

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And some people said yes and some people said no.

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That's how it went. And Brad came on and he was terrific.

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And some people said no and some people said no repeatedly and then changed their number. So, Brad, don't make this weird.

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So Brad came on like a good he was a good guy, like a good guy does where he'll do something for you if the asks you to do it.

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Yeah, right. And and that's what because he's a good person and he's selfless and he's not, you know, selfish.

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So anyway, so so so did you ask Jason to do it. And that's people you know.

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And that's, and that's how we won and that's how we won World War Two because we were just selfless in that way. And some people are heroes and some people we're not. Some people are at home pushing pencils in and worried about their own, you know, so it doesn't matter.

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Doesn't matter that it's unrelated. Some people hit the beach at Normandy. Some people were at home. OK, anyway, some people at the beach in Malibu. OK, so point is point. So that was super fun.

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How great was Brad about? So I'm so glad that you guys are friends.

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And Jason, I'm about to be friends. It's a real love affair. I'll steal them from both you guys. Yeah, it's a real love affair that's blooming here. We can have visitation rights.

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Yeah. You guys, you could. You felt that, right? Well, I was. You did. I'm not crazy.

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Yeah. Yeah, no, not at all.

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If you if you had anticipated that it was going to be Brad and that you guys were going to get along so well, would you have done a little bit more man before?

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Would you clean yourself up a little bit? I would have definitely done my hair that you can see for sure that yeah, the man scaping, I think it's enough, but just to feel good.

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But just so you can it reads if you feel better. Yeah, I feel great about what's going on down there. No, I feel I feel I tied a lot up yesterday. OK, good. Good for guys. Oh here let me show let me just tilt this camera down. Let's not.

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Oh here it comes. Here comes baby smart.

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