Hey, Jason, I'm sorry. And, well, they said do a quick not like legal. Hi, I'm Jason. I'm sure I'm well. And it's an only smart. Let's go. Let's go to Mark. Hey, do you guys ever grind your teeth, because last night I had this pain from my jaw through my ear all the way up to my top, my head, and you don't have a chew bar or. I don't.

But you know what? That's a good idea that I could take a chew toy from my dog like a baby. How about a bite plate? Yeah, well, you probably just use this, your cereal spoon.

You just sleep with your cereal spoon in your mouth.

You know how much I love cereal and I like to mix every time he calls me, he has a bowl of cereal in his mouth, you know, and I make a big industrial I just finished off a nice big bowl of lentils, a big lentil soup. Gosh, that's delicious. Do you remember lentil soup?

Yeah. What do you mean? I'm not in a fight with my body, so I eat healthy food, so I don't need to remember lentils. It was yesterday and a couple of days before that. Oh, man.

You really legumes. You really you really showed me. Yeah. Well, yeah. Your body will go into shock when you give it Frosted Flakes seven days a week and you give it some lentils off the same spoon.

You guys, I'm going to fight with my body too. That's why I'm drinking Juicy Juice, because I'm so angry at your calling.

You had to infantilize it, right? Like you just needed to have, like, a little kitty name on it to make it. And will. You had a Diet Coke there, did you? Yeah.

Do you know the going down of Diet Coke again? I keep asking if they've got a face man or just a pitch or a voice man because I'm ready.

I don't think they they advocate drinking at a tenno three a.m. West Coast time. They do like these large glass bottles of of just orange liquid that I have here, which is water and electrolytes.

I love. That's like that's sixty seven years old.

I look like this and I love those bottles that look like you ripped them off an Amish farm, you know what I mean?

Just to keep it rustic in Beverly Hills. God damn it, what a clown.

Show their style inside the fridge, which I think is going too far. But yeah, there's a lot I've seen.

You're right. But by the way, it should be noted, your wife has excellent taste. She she really does stuff. Not in dudes. All right. I feel like that's a shot at me. Maybe. Yeah. Let me think about it.

I'm I'm guys I'm super excited about our guests today. You know, it's not the biggest guests we've had on. But still, this person was really kind to say yes to me.

And I've loved this person for a very long time. An incredible story, actually. This person played Bobby Hopkins on the Golden Girls, one of my favorite characters and one of my favorite sitcoms, and then get this didn't work for twenty years and then out of nowhere wins an Oscar.

Right.

Once we have an Oscar winner. Not since Roberto Benigni.

Guys, it's George Clooney.

Hey, I'm sure you're wondering, did I skip anything like that? Right.

Well, I was a little hurt that I wasn't the biggest star that you've ever. Well, no, no, no.

I didn't say biggest. Our biggest guest. I don't say Kamala Harris, you would agree, has got to be right near the top. Sharing the pinnacle with with Stacey Abrams, perhaps.

Yes, I would agree that I'm not I'm not in that league.

And maybe Paul McCartney can. Can he be above your altitude?

Well, you know, what is he really done? This is good. This is really good. I, I that was my attempt at being sarcastic.

George, can I say something? You know, I've been listening to this podcast.

You like to call just notes and notes. I wanted to do this show. I wanted to do this show because I do really enjoy it. And I have to say I enjoy it mostly because I feel as if the guest really doesn't isn't involved at all in the show because I don't have to do I think there's no preinterview.

Doesn't matter. Sean doesn't even have questions. No know you talk about each other and we don't let you do any talking.

And I enjoy it so much that I thought I'd just come on and just sit back. Yeah. Yeah.

You make a really good point and I want to get into that. But first, Sean. Yeah, what's up? So you don't have the bite plate.

Yes. You don't have the cereal spoon. Sure.

George, I'm so excited you're here. Yes. I'm so excited, too.

And thank you for taking the time. I know you're it's fun to see you guys. You know, Sean you know, Jason and I, people will not know this, but Jason was a very big star of a show called Silver Spoons.

Yes. And we were we were at our studio.

I was doing the facts of life. It was like 1985 or 86. And I'd set up a little basketball court out in the back. And Jason Young, Jason, very young Jason would come out and shoot some hoops and and we would shoot around back in the back a long time ago. I had a nice mullet then.

Well, you did. You were trying to bite Stamos, his style. You were going for your blocky look.

Well, you know, he had it down, by the way. He did. You look good. So, George, so you knew Jason back then, he came and he played basketball and then he kind of you know, he has a long career in showbiz and then he and then he reached new heights later in life. And were you just as shocked as anybody to see him? There was something hurtful at the end of it was pretty surprising.

You know, every once in a while, you know, we touched base. I'd see him at an event. And I kept thinking, first of all, I think I haven't seen you in a while. And then I would think that's about right, you know?

And you go, oh, that's why look at him into the walls.

There's the reason everybody had shorted my stock and did very well. George, where are you right now, by the way? Because for some reason, it's hard for my brain to accept that you live in Italy, because I prefer that you live in the same town that we do. So I can just come and go as I please.

I'm living in Boston as we speak. In fact, I'm looking out at the ocean right here. I'm doing I'm directing a film in in Boston right now with the Ben Affleck and wonderful.

And I'm so excited that you're doing more and more and more directing. Do you see that not to get into a serious question, but do you how do you do do you have a sense of the ratio, how you'd love for it to go or not go? Is it all project related or.

No, you know, I mean, how much are you you're doing a lot now, right?

I'd prefer to do it full time only because I'll bet like you you it's it's so complicated and challenging, more so than the acting. Maybe it's a more difficult job. I don't know. But you seem to be as comfortable with the acting as as I am and was and you maybe want to take on a little bit more. I think it's interesting.

First of all, it is that, you know, at some point, particularly when you've done television, because we do in television, you're doing 22 hours a year of you know, it's like doing 11 movies. So, you know, you're doing a lot of acting and it's fun to be involved. But in general, you know, about 25 years ago, I just started looking and thinking, I don't want to worry about what some casting director thinks of how I'm aging.

You know, I'm a be 60 this year and.

Well well, by the way, just not not as well as I do not a problem. But, you know, the alternative is death.

So I'll take George, let me ask you this. And so so you mentioned television, and I love the way that you kind of threw that out, because up until kind of the 90s, up until when you were on E.R., there was there were television actors and there were film actors. And, you know, there was kind of that divide did exist. And sometimes you saw often people made the leap.

But there was that sort of there was a kind of a television actors were often frowned upon or looked down upon.

Yeah, we were at the Golden Globes. It's called the television tier in the back. Right. And when you get to move down to the front, you feel really privileged. Yeah. Yeah. But you kind of you threw that all away. You came off a VCR, you went into film, you were instantly successful and did it in a way that kind of gave I thought it was fucking rad and awesome. And you don't delineate between any of it.

Well, I was lucky in a way. You know, it is funny, you guys all know this. Having done all of it, there is this there's this weird pecking order that you learn the moment you get into acting into into the industry where it's like the theater actors shit all over the film actors and the film actors shit all over the telly.

They kind of was this that a lot of that seems to have gone by the wayside. I think part of the streaming thing is helped in a way, because there's really interesting films. Television really changed honestly with The Sopranos in terms of the kind of things you could do. You can you know, there could be nudity and foul language and things that would think it's been a kind of process.

Clint Eastwood came out of television.

Will you make a good point? If my memory is working right, I feel like you made a big declaration there when you went over. It was it was Mimi's film, wasn't it, where you went from television into film, maybe later.

Well, and then the other way more recently was the was the reverse direction was McConaughey and Woody when they went and did true detective. Remember, that was a big shift as well. And so now everything was sort of cross pollinated.

Again, I was kind of lucky because it's a really weird thing because, you know, David Caruso quit after one season of NYPD Blue and and I think won the Emmy that year. And it was one of those things he went off to do, want to do movies and, you know, and said he's leaving.

And up until that point, if you wanted to leave your television series or get out of it or you know, they didn't let you I mean, you didn't go. Yeah, Pierce Brosnan couldn't get out to do Bond early on.

And it's tons of stories, you know, people being sued.

And and then he left and it sort of kicked the door open. So the next year it came out was an even bigger hit. And so the first question I was asked every day after the show hit was, you know, are you going to leave the show?

Which I was I was like, no, I'm like, yeah, but I wanted the people were offering me. The reason they said we'll work it out so you can stay on the show and do a movie, so things changed sort of drastically because they were afraid that you would leave the show, which I had no intention of doing.

This was part of the no intention of leaving, fueled by a sense of having an ongoing television series is is is like the greatest warm blanket you could ever have as an actor, that you've got a gig at least eight months of the year.

And yeah, you know, I mean, how many like I'd done seven television series before then and 13 pilots. Yeah.

And so that's such a famous story that you are that guy who didn't like all these pilots.

So I was trying to win them back. Yeah. I didn't kill Sean. I did a show called Sunset Beat where I played a rock star at night and a cop during the day art imitating life.

I did some shows here, by the way, is there was one who's got the worst show. Let's hear it. Oh, I think I might take the gold on that.

I did a show that lasted two episodes on NBC with my buddy Mike O'Malley called the Mike O'Malley show. And we were halfway through our seventh episode and they're like, you guys can go home.

And we only aired two. And there was it was like literally like a Tuesday in the morning after the second airing. They were like, we're all done here. So just come get your shit.

Go to Radford with your tail between your legs and then you're back to that line at Warner Brothers auditioning, remember?

Well, people might not know, like the cruelest part of doing and the same list. I don't know what a pilot is. A pilot is the first episode of a series. And then based on the quality of that episode, the network decides whether there's going to be a following, you know, 21 episodes to make.

You know what, Jason? This represents growth for you, because I think you rarely do you do that. You take the time to do anything for anybody else. And in that moment to talk.

Sean's my sister. So there's there's a running thing where we explain things for listeners who may not be on the inside.

Yes, I know. I've heard you explain it. In fact, you're explaining to me now what I actually know. Well, we're going to add you to the runner now. So for George and for Tracy and Tracy, Sister Tracy, it's our sister. Sister Tracy. I'm OK. So anyway, so the crucial part is that just to finish my long winded story, when you go in and you read for a pilot, Tracy, you sign a document that you see on a single page what your fees are going to be for the next five years with the five percent bill.

You get it if you get this job you're about to go audition for in the next 20 seconds.

So you actually see I mean, and you're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars to somebody who is signing that piece of paper really needs it. Almost by definition. It's no leverage. Like you don't need any more pressure.

And there's five other guys signing the same piece of paper. Yeah, it's a lot to look at it like I could I could fucking kill this guy. Yeah.

If you had to go through that pain repeatedly, George. So that's so. Oh, you get on E.R. and people ask you, are you going to leave a show? The fuck no. I'll stay here until they drag me out. Yeah.

I mean, it was and you know, I remember the first you know, the show, you know, we were we were getting like 42 million people to watch the show. That's crazy. And those are numbers, you know, that are just unheard of when we had one hundred and fifty channels. And yeah, I remember Noah Wiley saying, is that good?

You go, yeah, that's that's pretty good. It's good.

I didn't watch your lot when it was on first run. But my ex, Amy, whom I think you know, Amy Poehler, she is a absolute E.R. junkie. Really. Oh, my God. And so we watch every episode, every night. So I got to know you very well.

And your my wife is watching them now, and it's getting me in a lot of trouble because I've forgotten all of the, you know, terrible things I was doing picking up on women things. Would it be great?

Would it be great if you started to notice that she started to get just a little bit starstruck around you, like she didn't like, you know, when you work with some people, like you're midway through the production and you happen to watch one of the things that you've never seen that they're really famous for. And then you show up to work the next day. And this happened to the 100 times. And I just like kind of weird around them now.

There's sort of like, hey, so I saw such and such last night and oh my God, you were so good. I get it.

Yeah. That's not my wife.

I want to ask you a question about that. If it's OK, you know, other than the fact that your wife is gorgeous and the most perfect person on the planet, what were because I was you know, we aren't like we don't hang out everyday like people probably think we do.

Yeah, they don't. But but I was like, Sawyer.

I'm like, oh, my God, this guy could probably have settled down many, many times. Like other than the fact that Amol is the perfect person for you and your children are perfect and your life is perfect.

Now, what was is there are reasons behind the twenty year lapse of like, oh, I don't want to go that I don't want to go that right. I don't want to get a softball. This is a game.

And by the way, answer that quickly right now. What's your answer on that. Just the word yes.

You know, the truth was, I met this amazing woman and she took my breath away and she was brilliant and funny and beautiful and and kind and, you know, I was sort of swept off my feet. We we got engaged after a few months and got married within the first year that we met. And that surprised me more than probably anybody else in the world. And everybody else was pretty surprised. And now babies. Right.

What I got to I got twins, man. What how old are they? The three and a half. They're monsters with three and a half.

That's such a fun age. Everything gets destroyed in a second. Are you are you having.

Because if you're like me, you, you, you he's not that he's not just in any way go.

You discovered the first twelve months is garbage and then after 12 months it's the part they all have been talking to you about. Like all having kids is the greatest thing in the world. I really got it after twelve months and then it's just exponentially better and better and better.

Well the first month the guy has literally no business, right. They don't care about you at all. They're like mom for everything, for food, for everything. So all you really doing is cleaning up a lot of shit and feeling sort of useless.

And then yes, the fun starts, my son now, who every mistake he makes as a child is in trying to be funny. And so every like the other day he literally did the peanut butter joke where he puts it on his shoe and he stands there and he goes, he started going pop up, pop up. And he's like, oh yeah. He goes, you smell pooh-pooh.

And I'm like, no. And I look down and he looks down at shoe and he picks up the peanut butter off of his shoe with his finger and then he eats it.

Come on, that's pretty high. And he goes, oh, and I was like, kind of humor.

I love. That's great. I was.

So what did he pick that up, do you think, from you or do you have him? What? Because I learned a lot of humor from watching television and cartoons and stuff. People say don't let your kids watch. So I taught him that. Yeah, I like it. That's a Georgia joke right there.

Yeah.

I mean, any time you can use Nutella, peanut butter and a nappy and crunchy crunchy, it sort of adds a little bit of like, oh tella in the nappy and get them to put the nappy like halfway on and they take it off and go to momma and go mom and then that one area and so on.

Bran, from what I've gleaned from you over the years and I want to get to because I've told this story a million times and and I just retell you telling it. I think I saw you tell it on Carson, I think years ago. And it was because, you know, you're very close with Richard Kind. Yeah. And who's a whom I've had the pleasure end of last week.

Oh, hello, Jason. Hello. Well, it's such a great guy, John. You are very good. But I was better days. I was in the big knife. I cared. But you had to really do a story when you guys were roommates.

Would you please bore these guys? Oh, my God, I do. I tell the story about the cat.

Well, you have to understand, we were sharing I was living in his apartment, got through a bad breakup and I was living in his apartment and I was an unemployed actor. He was doing The Carol Burnett Show, the remake of The Carol Burnett Show.

And I watch Jeopardy! And, you know, there'd be that Richard loves. He thinks he's a genius at Jeopardy, too, as you can imagine. And so I would watch the East Coast feed and then he would come home and then I would just know all the answers for the West Coast feed.

And he thought it he still to this day, until he hears this.

Well, the thought that I was the greatest Jeopardy player in the history, that's been it's all horseshit. Richard, if you're listening, fuck you.

That's great.

And I would be home and I had nothing to do. And he had this little tiny kitten that he would sleep with on his chest. He called a kitty and he'd keep it in the apartment because we're in Hollywood, you know, on Heyworth. And he was working. And I'm waiting for an audition. And I go into the bathroom and there's a kitty litter box next to the toilet and it's got catched in it.

And I scoop it up and I flush it down the toilet. I go in, I'm watching Jeopardy, I think. And Richard comes home and he goes to the bathroom. He comes out, he goes, My little kitty has not taken a shit. And I think three days and I don't say anything.

I don't know why. I just don't say I just am like I. And the next day a cat takes a shit. I flushed down the toilet, Richard checks and it goes on for like three or four or five days.

Meanwhile, you're just trying to be a good roommate, right? I'm just trying to be a friend at this point, you know?

And then he takes the cat to the vet and they give him this, like kitty Metamucil, you know, to clean your colon, you know, and just devastated.

And and so now this little kitten is shitting like 15 times a day and I'm scooping. I got nothing to do with it.

I'm reading like Hardcastle and McCormick Audition's, you know, and I went and I've got nothing else to do.

And so I've I'm flush and Richard's checking. I don't know. Lips are Catlin's back. These I feel his stomach. Does it feel tight to you. I feel kind of tired to me.

Again, I have no idea why it's just funny and then I scoop up some cash. It, I don't know if a couple of weeks and then the light bulb goes off and I realize what I must do, which is take a shit in the cat box.

Now there is this moment, John, when I'm squatted down over a cat box where I'm going. Really? Yeah. Mom and dad. All right. I should have been a lawyer. Yeah, exactly. The moment that it occurs to you. Yeah.

You're just, like, going higher. It's funny. There's good. I'm not sure it's how I want to be remembered, but that's good. What was the reaction?

So I went, you know, and I when I'm watching Jeopardy! Richard comes home, we're talking for a minute. He goes in the bathroom. He's in there for like a minute. And I don't hear anything.

And then all of a sudden I hear, oh, my God, oh, my God. He comes running out. He goes, you're not God. You have to come see the cat. The cat is like six inches by the time he get everything back to about. And literally I come in and I just tears coming down my eyes on laughter and slowly he figures it out and over.

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All right, back to the show. I really respect that kind of commitment to that bit over weeks, the slow burn of it fucking yeah I will.

I did one where I found a painting that someone threw away that was sitting outside in the garbage. I took it home, put it in my closet, got some paint, acrylic paint and painted my name to it. I bought an easel and paints.

I set it up in my living room and Richard would come over and go, You want to play golf? I can't. I can't. I got art class.

And then I would go to those little those those flea markets.

And I buy paintings for like twelve dollars that were good and I'd hang them up on the easel and Richard, come and go. This is unbelievable. And the painting I took from the garbage is six feet by three feet of a naked woman in the worst it's in aqua and pink.

It's the worst pain you've ever seen in your life.

And after a year of like him, you know, I made him stop.

An art supply store was with the field brushes and Allerton and he kept saying, this is just amazing what you're doing.

And he's seen all these other paintings that are pretty decent and it's really amazing.

And finally, I go for his fortieth birthday. I said, Richard, you've been so supportive. You know, my art teacher thinks this is the best thing I've ever done and I want you to have it.

And it looked great hanging up on your one bedroom wall in the living room and rips this thing up.

And he's like, it's it's great. It's just great. It's it's it's beautiful. And I said, it was look good over your couch.

And for two years, everyone knew except Richard, that I take it out of the garbage.

So everyone comes to his house and compliment him on his show.

I'm sure you were there, that you just go, that's a great painting.

And finally, I did I think The Tonight Show told the story and then said, you know, I came home and said, Richard, you should you should watch The Tonight Show.

And I got the call. I hate that I said, what's wrong with you? That is so funny.

And doing the bit like that, also telling him through The Tonight Show. And then you told the other one on The Tonight Show and then didn't you? One time, Julie, she asked you for stories and you stole her story and told it the night before she was going to be on. You remember that? I told I can't wait.

It was something horrible where I said, oh, I told her a story that happened to my mom. Yeah. And I told her to tell the story. And then I have I had like, my mom and her both telling the story like you back and forth, that I tell it as if it's your own.

And then they revealed it on the show after she told the story. I think maybe it was Leno and said, it's funny you should say that, because here we have the video and you're totally satisfied.

When I said I had had my head on a pike for about a year for that one. So I learned my lesson on trying to be funny at the expense of your co-star.

God damn, that makes me laugh. I want to get back to your life, George, because. OK, interesting. And I love you and you're fascinating.

Go, Grandma. Good. Here we go. No, I want to by the way, sidebar my sister. I didn't tell Wil and Jason this. I think for every guest that I bring on like George today, I asked my sister from Wisconsin who we kind of, you know, break things down for us. So she understands. I asked her to send in a question for George today. And whenever I have somebody, I think they'd be kind of fun.

New element. Sure. So from my sister Tracy in Wisconsin, she asks, quote, texted this to me yesterday. Do it in a Wisconsin accent, please.

OK, well, different than Chicago.

Hey, George, like like I want to know what leading lady wasn't in, like, a joking mood and he got annoyed with them.

Maybe they were having an off day and didn't think any of your antics were funny. George.

And also, she just wants dirt. She wants dirt. You're going to have to apologize for now. Who's grumpy?

She wants to know who's grumpy. No, no. All right.

We'll skip that. I can't think of any one because, you know, I'm not I in general didn't play horrible pranks on anyone who I was actually going to do a love scene with, because that always ends poorly.

Yeah, right. Did you ever hear that that that saying right before a love scene?

I can't remember whose story it is. It's a famous story. And they said to the actress, the guy said to the actress, I apologize if I get hard and I apologize if I don't. Exactly.

I do probably like David Niven, who always had the great quotes. Yes. Yes.

David Niven at the Oscars when the guy was streaking. Do you remember that guy was streaky to live and just turned the corner and said, it's amazing that the guy is, you know, the greatest moment of this man's life is, you know, by taking off his clothes is showing the world his shortcomings, just like.

Oh, that's right. Like it was like that.

Yeah, I was going to strike. I rehearsed it. I was going to strike the year that Franco and Anne Hathaway hosted. And I went down and I knew those guys, you know, Bruce Cohen and and his partner there were producing. And so I went and I ABC said, well, you got to wear. Flesh colored underwear, if you're going to go across and I said, well, I can't, that's not then it won't be as funny I got to go and be beholding.

Otherwise, there's no point doing it like that. It's just it's phony. And I wanted to do this bit where I go across. I was going to the spot where I go across and then try to go up the other side and then slowly creep back and say that the door was locked and sorry about that. Right.

So I was it was great. And then ABC was like and I wasn't wearing underwear and I was just holding all my all my meats and cheeses. And I come and coming across and they go in the ABC, I see them huddling in the audience and they come in and they're like, yeah, we're not you're not doing that. Like what?

They're like, no, we're not running the risk of no, that's just just need to get paid.

I still got my sag. I was great. And then I filled some seats on the night and it was great.

Yeah, that's good job. Yeah. The minute someone else wins, you get to sit right down.

I want to ask some more father children questions because that's where you are in your life now.

And yes, I am so with children in your life who are gorgeous and amazing and obviously with age a shift comes where you know things you deemed important before.

Yeah, your priority list completely changes. So what are some of those things that you kind of pushed down the list after meeting a mom and having a family? Because because all we have is time. And so now that's compromised when you are away for four to six months like you are in Boston right now.

Well, my kids and wife are here. OK, next question. Yeah. So that is your question next.

Tracy, do you have any more questions? Yeah, I will say this. You know, there is a funny thing that happens. And, you know, I'm late to the game. I'm like Tony Randall having children, you know, I'm fifty nine and I got a three year old.

But it's what everyone else knows, which is that all the things that seemed important aren't, you know, they really aren't. And it's hard to imagine them not being important before the kids showed up.

Before my wife showed up, quite honestly, there was there was so many other things that I was concerned with that you're concerned with making a living. When you first start out as an actor, all you want to do is make a fucking living. You don't want to wait tables or, you know, sell insurance door to door, which I did. You just want to work and you want to have a living and then you want to have some sort of career at some point, and then you want to have some acknowledgement of your work.

And some all these things are so important at the time. And then someone like all walks into your life. These kids show up magically and and everything changes. And all of a sudden none of that really. You look back at you. That was such a mad race to to something that, you know, doesn't give you any of the you know, it's amazing when things are great, but it comes and goes very quickly. And, you know, you go home and there's these knuckleheads there and it's changes everything.

And you feel there's pressure about like, you know, they're growing up with you as a father and her as their mother and and that that you have a legacy. And so how do you handle that? Well, I worry about this.

I will say this. You know, all kidding aside, I do worry about the idea. You know, I was friends with Gregory Peck. I was friends with Paul Newman.

And, you know, they had sons who who lost their lives, you know, quite honestly, from trying to live probably under the pressure of having, you know, someone famous as their father. I think there's an advantage for me. I'm a lot older than they were. My son isn't ever going to feel competitive with me. I'll be going my bread by the time I could be competitive.

Right. So I think that that's that kind of goes out the window a little bit.

You know, my wife is such an accomplished human being on so many levels and she is so the work she does and how hard she works at it, you know, it'll always be something that will be difficult for either of our kids to live up to is, you know, in a much more important way. But, you know, as you guys do, you have kids, you understand this.

It's the same thing. It's it's our job to make sure that they they care about people, that they challenge people in power and look out for people who don't have power. Those are kind of the things I was raised with and believe in.

So if you enjoyed what being a husband and being a father has done to your instincts, either premeditated or even on the fly with what you do as an actor or director, your whole sensibility and and perception. Let me let me spinning around.

Did it change things for you guys?

It did for me. Yeah, I things got things got more subtle, more sort of surgical and in my, my taste in, in performance, the things I choose to sort of frame up and try to amplify as a director, I just I'm sort of tuned into a different frequency. I don't know if it's a better one or a worse one, but different things like I cry watching commercials now. Never used to do that. But, you know, there's a whole side of me that is much.

Much softer now. I cry watching Batman and Robin and Jason, but it's funny how Jason, he takes that question of like. Yeah, and how it applies to him as an actor and a director, not as a human being, like a fucking robot.

And, you know, because he has there is no inner life when you scratch the surface, it's more surface. But here I will say this. Yeah, it's totally for me, I will say as a human being. Thank you, George. Talking to another human being. It completely shifted everything. Yeah. Like you said, if you prioritize, it's a brand new perspective. The perspective that I had for leading up to my first one at 38 completely shifted.

And what I do, what my priorities are, whatever it is, does it fit my life and my life? I mean, does it fit my kids life? And so I find myself I probably sold myself short a lot professionally because I tried to do everything I could for my kids. And I don't know if that's smart or at the end of the day, somebody is going to say, you should have been more selfish. I don't know.

But it's just the way I did it.

Here's the funniest part of that. I mean, I know what you're saying, but there's I don't think anyone is ever going to say at the end of the day, God, I wish we'd done two more interesting films rather than God. I'm really glad I spent this time with my kids or did this with my kids or. Right.

That's, I think the part of the lesson that took me a long time to learn and having children is taught me, which is and the pandemic is sort of teaching us all to which is, you know, we're all learning how deeply connected we need to be and how important it is that we have other things besides our work, because, you know, we know too many people who have been immensely successful in our industry. I mean, all of us have worked with major stars who are no longer stars.

You know, shit goes away, things change, the rules change.

But it's if you have this core, this family, these people that matter to you, then you know, you can handle anything.

Yeah.

Yeah. And I see Jason, all joking aside, I mean, you know, I give Jason shit. The other day I passed him on Sunset. He was drunk and he's driving his Hyundai Palisades. Not as a plug, Jason, but a great car. Great car.

You know, God got to fold down seat in the back. And and I see him and he's dropping people off at a friend's house, you know, at at the end, like, those are the things we've become. It's so funny. 20 years ago, Jason, I would have been like, look at that clown driving around in the thing. And now we're I'm passing him and I've just dropped my kids and he's dropping his daughter. That's what I was doing.

By the way, where you guys were doing that. I was passing you calling you clowns.

Yeah, exactly. I was like, look at you. I was like in class. I'm living the life. What do you do?

Well, now I'm literally, like, behind you, cleaning up, you know, shit and washing, you know, everything.

And I find myself, you know, even whether you have kids or you just in love thinking about mortality more and also getting older. And then, you know, we just had this this incident with with Tiger in town. And and it made me it made me think about you, George, about your accent. I never talk to you about it. And I didn't do any reading about it when it did happen, aside from, like, going, oh, God, I hope he's all right.

I didn't I didn't want to, you know, comb through it and stuff. But it was and I don't mean to ask you to tell stories. I'll bet you told a bunch of when it actually happened. But did did the Tiger incident bring back some of those memories for you with respect to each to your mortality? Now, you've got a family to that.

There's there's an added thing to all of that is talking about Tiger Woods accident in his car like quite a while. And George had an accident in Italy. Right. I think Tracy saw that in the news. Sean. Yeah. Tracy, you got that.

Thanks. Thanks for specifying which tiger we're talking about.

Well, because we don't know when this is going to end and it's going to be a while and and read another tiger might become famous. Well, look, I will say this.

I've been in a couple of funky situations before where I kind of thought I was going to be lights out a couple of times in South Sudan where I thought that, but I didn't have a family and kids and things.

Look, I hit a guy at seventy miles an hour on a motorcycle and I was launched and knocked out of my shoes and hit the ground. And I broke his windshield and with my helmet and and then went flipping up in the air. And I was fairly sure because I'd been riding for 40 years, I was fairly sure I knew what that meant, which was probably that I'd broken my neck.

And I read that you landed literally on your knees in your hands. There's nothing that I leaned on my hands and knees when I finally hit the ground.

You can actually watch it. There's CCTV footage of it and you can see me going flipping through the air.

And, you know, I have to it was just luck. I mean, you know, if I'd landed on any other direction, I would have been, you know, definitely dead.

And so I remembered this about it, which is an interesting thing. I'm a pretty optimistic guy and I actually. You know, I look at the world in a fairly you know, I always I always think the best of us, but there was this moment when I hit the ground and grant my one of my closest, maybe my closest friend and partner and the great and creative Grant Heslov.

Yeah. You Grant Heslov. And, you know, he was in the motorcycle academy and he came running back and he's holding me. I'm laying on the ground and he got the glass in my mouth that that was my teeth. It was a windshield glass and my mouth.

And I, I really thought this was it. And all the people that got out stood over me and once they realized it was me, pulled out their cameras and started, you know, taking pictures. And I remember that forever because I always think, you know, that moment that was probably going to be your last was somebody's entertainment for now. And it doesn't make me bitter. It just it just changes my perception of why, you know, is it that important that I have to please everybody and all that?

You know, it's that thing of just going, OK, I get it. Fair enough. You know, if that's how it is, you know, it was more more than that.

But you got to take care of you first and foremost at all times. So it's kind of.

Yeah, no, not I don't I don't think in terms of that. I just didn't think in terms of, you know, sometimes we get kind of caught up in the idea that it's more than just entertainment or something like that.

Yeah, the expectation and human beings is as lowered a little bit when stuff like that happen.

When we see it, you see somebody fall in the subway in New York and everybody pulls out their phone. You put your fucking phone down. Yeah.

And Linda Hand and I got in a taxi accident in New York like a year and a half ago on Twenty Third Street. And we got to the side. We're like, she's in the cab smoking. And we look over in this kid right next to it's filming us. Really, we're yeah. We're like, hey, man can use that phone to call the cops, please.

Yeah, that's that was the thing. Call the cops.

I got I actually told the story. I got hit, I got hit by a car on 57th Street like four years ago. He he was doing at least 40 and I was looking the wrong way. And he spun me out and I landed on my feet. But I kind of spun I came so close to death because he just caught me.

He just sort of sideswiped me and it got to the other side. And I was so fucking rattled right at Park Avenue. And I get on the other side and I look like, Jesus Christ, I almost fucking died. Look at this guy. He's looking at me and I did you see that? And he goes, Yeah, can I get a picture? I went, Jesus, I almost fucking died, asshole. But you know, George, you bring up something.

You take the picture, though. That's what's important. I did take the picture because he seemed like a genuine fan.

But, George, you you I went, yeah, I remember one time I don't know if you remember this.

The first time we really met, I was with John Krasinski. We went for sushi.

And you guys were working on Leatherheads at the time. Yeah. And and this is a great thing we gave you I gave you a ride back to your house. And this struck me and I loved and you were directing a movie and you're George Clooney and you've done all this great stuff and you're doing more great stuff. And I was really I really and kind of Sean mentioned it before, too. You know, you've done and you talked about it.

You've done all these pilots. You know, I did like seven pilots. I had fifty canceled shows. I did every variation that you could of cancel before I went got fired off a show, before I got picked up, like just all of it. And so I always like in a lot of ways and I'm almost embarrassed to say this because I hate giving up any power. But you were often, in a lot of ways a very much a North star for me and a lot of ways.

And so it was really cool.

And we drive back to your house and we get to the gate and I forget what it was, but and I'm driving. And I said, what's the code? And by the way, the gate looked like it was at, you know, just at a goat rodeo.

You could have fallen off and you could walk around it and you go like rodeo and you go like it's like one the the codes. One, two, three, four. You know, what are you out of your mind? And we drive up to the house, we walk out, we get out and you go, it's OK, doors open. And I go and I said to you, I go, are you crazy? You got the fucking world's look at your gate is one, two, three, four.

Your doors open. You go, yeah. I'm just not going to be a prisoner.

Yeah. And it's like floored me. It floored me. And also I was like, that's fucking rad. Good for you.

Well, I now have a better code with kids. Yeah, of course. Of course. Of course. But that was, you know, fifteen years ago by the way. I don't live there.

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And with that specifically, are you and don't I don't want to get you into a political place that you're not comfortable with or any of us are ideal in today's today's climate. But but given today's climate, do you find yourself thinking twice or three times now before you talk about certain things that might really bug you as opposed to how you may have felt five, 10 years ago?

No, I think it's the exact opposite.

You know, I think that, you know, there's a line in the film I could I could like that, Murrow says, because this is no time for four people who have opinions to be silent. You know, there was a period of time a couple of years ago where the executive branch of the legislative branch and the judicial branch were all kind of dropping the ball in a way. And in some ways, you need the fourth estate to pick up.

You need the news organizations and things like that to pick up the slack. And they did they did a pretty good job of holding people's feet to the fire.

And the judicial branch actually came around eventually. But along those lines, you know, you need people.

You got to be out there if you believe it, you know, and listen, you could be Jon Voight and believe that trumps, you know, a God and say that those things. Fair enough. You know, have at it, you know. Do you think but I do believe that this is a time where if you have you know, I'm not going to lose my right of citizenship because I'm you know, I've reached a place of success in my career.

And, you know, I grew up in the 60s, man. I you know, we were if you weren't talking about social issues, if it was the Vietnam War, the civil rights movement, the women's rights movement or any of those things, you know, there was something wrong with you. And so I grew up with the idea that it's your responsibility to pick fights. You know what else I mean? What good is this sort of megaphone if you don't get to, you know, try to to amplify certain things?

And I find it more interesting now speaking to that, because you're you're part of not on our watch project and the tons of foundations and organizations.

And is there one you're most proud of that you pay most attention to, that you're most involved?

Well, Marlon, I have we have this this foundation, the Clinton Foundation for Justice. So we're doing some pretty amazing stuff like we're right now monitoring the Navalny trial in in Russia. You know, it's a fascinating moment.

We have trial watchers in about 30 different countries. Countries are using the court system to commit the same crimes that they normally would do without the court system. So they're basically saying, well, the judge found him guilty when the judge is also the prosecutor. Right. Right. And this will be, you know, finding guys guilty for being gay in Nigeria and, you know, all kinds of just insane stuff. So we're putting trial watchers in there were trying to because this is all happening in the darkness.

And so we're trying to be able to set up and create a method in a way to monitor and keep and hold these people responsible. It takes time. You have to build enough cases up to basically create a justice index. And where those countries stand on those.

Well, that's that's that's so red, by the way. I just I just found out yesterday. I just found Sean guilty of being gay here. Yeah. America. I just I just came out. Got a trial coming up soon. Yeah.

Just verdict just came in. What happened to. So do you guys know. I know that publicly they say they don't know where Navalny went specifically. Do you guys have an idea of where he went or and they said, you know, he's not going to be treated any differently where he's being kept?

You mean they sent him to a work camp now? Yeah. Which is a pretty dangerous spot to go, but I don't think anyone knows which one.

Maybe they do have a check.

But, you know, we we also have one of the parts of our foundation, something that started before Amol and I actually met was a thing called the century.

And we're doing with that, you know, the idea of following these, you know, war criminals.

I used to do all this stuff. We had a satellite that we rented and we would shine it over the border of the Sudan and be able to follow troop movements and and and mass graves.

And, you know, we had really, really good success to be able to point out these atrocities. But nobody did anything about them. Right. Nothing have happen on the front page of The New York Times and nothing would happen. And we always say these things like never again, but it's always again and always right. And so what became really clear was you can't make these. Bad guys be good, but they don't give a shit, but there's tons of people who are doing business with these bad guys who you can because they want to put on a goddamn tux and go to an awards show or go to a banquet, because it'll be, you know, for a while it was the banks who were ignoring these guys who were spending, you know, they're not doing in Sudanese pounds.

They were doing it in pounds and dollars in euros and they're banking and our Western banks. So you go to them and say, well, these guys are laundering about four million dollars in your bank.

And the banks turned around, said, give us all the information. We give it to, you know, to the US government mostly to try and freeze their assets of the Treasury Department. We even did it with the Trump Treasury Department. We gave them tons of information and they froze assets.

And it's the same thing. So it's really fun to be able to, you know, go to people who really think that they're the good guys and say, well, you're not looking that hard. So we're going to tell you this. And I'm going to hold a press conference tomorrow. And either you're going to say, yeah, we have nothing to do with these guys or I'm going to tell them you're complicit. And once you do that, you shut down the avenues for these people to spend their money.

And that's a big way. You know, we had a good fun time with the Sultan of Brunei on that as well. And yeah, and it was really effective.

That's so rare. And on that level, you're not you're not just using your your platform and your voice. You're actually involved in a real way. And obviously, you know, follow the money. But but by hurting them, they're you're really affecting change in a real way. That's so.

Well, it's a funny thing. Here's the here's the deal.

All the things we did, we were talking about earlier, whether it makes the cut to your podcast or all the things we were talking about earlier, the pranks that you play, by the way, when you're playing a prank, you're basically trying to set people up to react the way you want and to get them to do what you want to fuck with them.

Right?

Well, that's what you're doing with world leaders in the same way, with people who were, you know, war criminals in the same way you're going. OK, well, I'm going to shit on a paper plate this.

Exactly. Paper plate and stick it on. But that's the truth, because that's sort of the mentality with this is yeah, I have a completely different question that we're going to end on.

And this is from my brain, George.

OK, if you could out of the entire cast, if you could have out of the entire cast of Ocean's Eleven, besides Julia Roberts slept with somebody who would have been who got placebo in.

We celebrate this. Another one from Tracy. From Tracy. The answer is Brad.

Yeah, come on. Yeah, it's a no brainer. Same, same. I mean, come on. You guys feel the same way. Pretty pretty boy.

But I'll tell you. So we went to we went to for Ocean's Twelve. We went to Europe to do the premiere and we ride in the Jerry Weintraub does everything big. So he's got us on a yacht.

We're going up to Monaco first on our way. That can sure.

To open oceans because Ocean's Twelve is a perfect canfell. Sure. That's exactly what you want to think again. So we're getting there and we take off and we're in Monaco.

There's the Grand Prix. We have our names on the back of a Jaguar race car.

Right. And while we're riding there, the car rolls over and catches on fire and our names are in flames.

You know, I think, oh, my God, we get we get there. And it's Pitt and Cheadle and Damon and I.

And we're all in this boat and there's surrounded by fifty paparazzi, pontoon boats, you know, everywhere, just trying to get your picture.

And Brad's like I am. We go up on the top and jump off of this thing. It's like six stories high and we're like, OK, let's do it.

We go up there to jump and Brad takes off a turtle and it's like something Michaelangelo's carved out of marble. All right. It's just like ridiculous. And then Matt goes home and he pulls out his shirt, which is we like something.

The Pillsbury Doughboy got out me. I was like, and I'm standing there. I'm looking to go, what's wrong with you, man? Take your shirt off right now.

All these people, unless you wanted a comfortable let's you want a comfortable chest to sleep on, then you go from that, you know.

Well, you can, you know, heal, man, get in shape. I mean, he'll be like, you know, Jason Bourne, you know, but off season, you know, it's wine and beer. Let's stay warm. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like I remember when I was at a bunny concert. Jason, you'll love this. And we're talking to Justin Vernon. We come and Brad came in and goes, Hey, man, I really loved your show that you did for Netflix. I said, Oh, things. And we went out the door and I and I slid down the wall.

So now wait a second. If he's validating Bon Iver, I'm because he did that for me with Radiohead. I had no idea Radiohead was was way back when. And and I still am addicted to Radiohead because he stamped it. You know what I on Bon Iver now I love them.

I also said to them, I said, you know. You know what movie is aged really well, Benjamin Button. It's so incredible you will you like we're shooting we're shooting Ocean's Twelve in Italy.

Brad, you know, we've been doing shit to each other, pranks to each other.

And Brad took out put posters on telephone poles all around my hometown in this little town that said, you know, George Clooney is here shooting now and he only wants to be referred to by his character named Danny Ocean.

And look him in the eye, just like in a newspaper.

It's like Il Divo.

And I'm like, OK, I'm like, I'm going to fuck this guy up. And so he had a Prius. And I, I went to one of those shops that you go to that has bumper stickers and license plate things.

And I found a bumper sticker that was in the shape of a pot plant that said, fuck cops, there's no way you don't get pulled over with that on the back of the car. And I asked him one day he would go do that. Was that was cold and wet. Yeah.

Has there been any, like, garbage about you are fake news about you that has made you laugh like that is so crazy.

It always makes us laugh. I mean, I send him to you know, it's funny because it's every day, literally every single day I'll get, you know, life and style or National Enquirer is going to run this story.

You have an hour to respond. And it's always just like, you know, it just makes us laugh.

I was just right back to, like, stand my post, as you say, suck it, because it's just like, what's your response like that?

You know, if you're going to be childish, I can be. John, I love I don't know. There's no the idea that I'd ever see somebody that even had a grain of truth would be funny.

You know, you handle it all with so much grace. You always have. You always will. Keep leading it for all of us, please.

And I know you don't do a lot of press, my friend, and you're very picky. So thank you for being us.

Well, listen, I want to say this, you guys, this is absolutely the truth. I have grown this habit of listening to podcasts. I like to listen to them when I get in bed at night. Some of them I use to help me sleep. Not that that's a bad that I'm talking about yours.

I listen to like American history tellers and stuff because I like history ones.

I like to learn stuff. And I got turned on to yours a while back and I have to say I can't play it at night when I want to go to sleep because I sit up and listen to it and laugh through the whole thing.

You guys make me laugh. Well, you better known all of you and I and I'm a giant fan. But man, you guys together are hysterical. Thank you.

Thank you. Likewise. I really, really appreciate you coming on, man. Yeah. Total Earth. Good to talk to you. Very nice.

All right. Enjoy the rest. OK, bye. Somebody by George. Sean, what a holy shit, Sean, you got real. You know, I love George Clooney. You know, I love George Clooney.

Who doesn't? Yeah, it's true. Jesse in the house.

Well, if you had had a heads up that it was going to be George, would you would you have worn anything different? Would you have done anything different with your hair? Do you think you would have moisturizes a little bit more?

Something? Well, why do I not look you look a little dry. Your blood shirt is disappearing into your black background there.

I feel like you probably would have. Yeah, I would have gone. By the way, normally I normally I'd hit back with something, you know, really trying to take a little stand. But I'm really I'm so I'm so worried in my self-esteem is so shaky around George that that's. So I got to ask you, are you being serious?

Because I know I'm not being serious because I can't be very well and so did Sean.

We I we I think that was awesome that I read a lot of stuff that he does tons of stuff.

I wanted to get to that I couldn't. But but I read a lot of stuff before he came on and he's just I love that.

It was like exactly as I, as I, as I I've always kind of known him to be. And I and I assume our audience always hopes him to be, which is like this perfect balance of funny and smart and and and and a listener and a speaker. And, you know, I mean, it's just he's he's he's a perfect man.

The other thing that I love, which kind of was evident in that story that I told about when I went over to his house with with Kazinsky, we go for Kazinsky goes sushi. I mean, like Clooney just texted me, let's go get some sushi. I almost said Sushi just texted me. So we go over and then he said and then George says, hey, can you give me a ride home? And I'm like, yeah, no problem.

And so I give him a ride home. And he was so cool and he was so down to earth and he was so the same he's the same guy that you see when he's on Carson or Leno or whatever or Tonight Show or that you see when you meet him ten years ago. And he's the same guy when you see him and we'd see him sometimes he comes. We've seen him over at Jans a couple of times or whatever, and just always consistently like, oh yeah, he's just down to earth and a good guy.

Yeah. And he spends so much of his free time not just advocating for people, but actually getting his hands in there and getting his hands dirty and doing it.

And it's it's bloody impressive isn't it. He walks the walk and talks the talk. Yeah. Yeah. Also Sean, I like that you brought up. I don't know if it's going to be a normal segment because Jason and I have to talk about this.

Sure. With the question from Tracy, isn't that a great idea?

I don't know. I can only be for my guys like. Right. So you guys don't to worry about it.

But I thought it'd be funny just so that I know going forward. Is it is it Tracy Y or just a Y or Z question?

Is I dotted with with a heart. With a heart.

Is it I mean, I don't want to be disrespectful. I just wanna know what we're dealing with.

Wisconsin. Wisconsin gets a lot. If we do this tour that we've talked about so many times, if we ever do a tour, we'd have to go to Wisconsin. Absolutely. I don't even know if anybody would want to see us on tour.

I'd like to hear from from Madison to see if they would like to welcome us there. And this would be over in the other cities. Let's let's if any people don't even know how to get a hold of us, they vote on cities for once.

If we get like like I say, like the five most sort of request, we'll go to those five cities.

Yes, we'll come to your city. But you got to let us know that you want us first because we're really insecure. You need to go first and invite us instead of us.

Assuming you want to see us, tell us why you not why you're worthy, but why we're worthy of coming to your city. That's a great idea.

So. Right, guys, this has been a a an embarrassment of riches as far as ideas going today, today, yesterday's episode has a lot of.

Yeah, God. And if we do a tour also, can we stay with you?

Yeah, I just that'll be like that's a deal breaker. Do you have like a guest house or is it is it a blow up. We'll need pictures. So yeah, we'll probably need pictures, yens. And then we'd also need to be able to send stuff that we like, like I like half and a half just to make sure I'll be a car use of a car, use of a car, which is fine. We could share. But we're coming to your town and we're coming to your house.

We're coming to your house. Let us know if you want us there.

And we'll the house that we send out everything and we'll we'll be there also.

Should we do a tour at all? Should actually for real, should we do it touring? I think we should, I think, be fun.

I'm I don't know if people would want us. I'm available. Let's say I'd like to finally see you guys while we're talking to each other. All right.

That would be actually, you know, a lot of podcasts do do tours, is that right? Yeah. Well, why not us? Let's let's put it in the pipe and smoke it. Okay. Well, we'll see if people maybe they don't want it. People are like they we don't want to see you clowns.

All right. Well so there's a bunch of different kinds of bicycles, right. There's the one with the three wheel and I'm sure it's the one with the. Two wheels call a mind for smart.

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