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Hello. Hey, Mariana. It's Dave Ridge in here. I'm just outside.

Okay. I'll be right down. Okay.

Hi. There she is. How are you? I was trying to think of the last time I saw you, it would have been...

Long time ago.

Long time ago.

Nice to see you.

Same here. I'm a little slow going upstairs these It's okay.

It's been over 15 years since I first began working on Christie's case, and I'm here to see Maryanne now because there's still more to do.

Excuse the mess. No problem.

Hi, Kitty Cat.

There's Christine right there.

The same Christie in Glasses photo in the same frame that I first saw her in at the Hanover Church so long ago. I pick it up and it's heavy. Christie is staring back at me, a face I have come to know so well after all these years. Maryanne looks older, maybe paler, more fragile. Sean Russwurm, Maryanne's former husband, is noticeably absent from the scene. Maryanne says that they ended their many years together in estrangement.

What's the Kitty Cat's name here?

Charly. He's a pain in the ass.

I used to have Chihuahua's, didn't you?

They're in the bedroom or they won't stop barking. Yeah. They're 13 and 12.

Can I see the dogs?

The nature of the work that needs to be done changes as cases progress. Even Then justice comes.

I know the day of the court, the police took me aside, and they told me how they got him, like undercover, and that he did kill her, and he raped her, and pushed her head down into a puddle or something, they said. But they wouldn't give me any answers to any of my questions. They said, That's all we can tell you.

After his To rearrest following the undercover operation, Anthony Ringo is jailed to wait proceedings. When court begins in November of 2014, Maryanne says she is told by police not to attend in case she has to testify.

I know all the different emotions you go through and how you got to handle it. Everybody kept telling me, Why aren't you crying? I said, That's not going to get nothing done. I said, You got to be strong to try and get somewhere. I said, crying is when you're in your bedroom at night.

At pretrial, the defense and prosecution make their arguments before a judge for what evidence should be included at trial. Wringle's lawyer, Stephen Gel, amounts his most strident argument on what he says is a tainting of Wringle's newest confession by my CBC film. Basically, because some of Wringle's admissions to killing Christine were deemed inadmissible in Wringle's 2006 pretrial, any of those excluded admissions Wringle saw in the film tainted his new confession to the UCs. But the prosecution successfully argues against that. Judge C. J. Conlin agrees, stating, I conclude that the February 2013 admissions were not obtained in a manner that infringed or denied Mr. Wringle's charter rights, and the defense Mariana's tainting application is therefore dismissed. In his ruling, Conlin writes, There is no question that the CBC film was deliberately used by the police as a ploy, a lure to produce a confession to murder, and it worked. The confessions, based on Wringles' viewing of my doc, are allowed into evidence, and Ringle's trial is set for June 2016. Mariana tends, but the details of what happened are obscured in a sea of legalese, and Ringle never takes the stand.

Even in court, he wouldn't look at me. Even the judge was waiting for a response from him. He wouldn't. When I read my impact statement, he would not look, and I begged him in court to tell me where he put her. He wouldn't even say a word.

Ringo pleads guilty to second-degree murder, avoiding a full trial, and is sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 12 years. So where does this all leave Maryanne? And where can she go from here?

I haven't moved on. I went down a few times and just put flowers in the river. We made her a really nice cross, and we put it back in the site. They say I have post-traumatic stress disorder from it, but there's nothing they can do to help me, so I'm stuck. Where's my answers?

I'm David Ridgeon, and this is Someone Knows Something Season 9, The Christine Heron Case, Episode 5, A Bear in the Woods.

Maryanne Russwurm, it took more than two decades, but there is now someone in jail for your daughter Christine's murder. How much has that changed things for you. It's changed a little bit because there's a little bit of justice there.

Maryanne, speaking in the weeks after Wringle's conviction with CBC radio host, Anna Maria Taramonte.

Yeah, this is never going to go away. For me, it's a daily challenge just trying to live my life. And ever since she went missing, I don't celebrate holidays or anything because it doesn't feel right without her there. Like with my case, I don't have a body, so that is very difficult. I can't bury her, give her a proper burial. She was just like she was thrown away and garbage. But keep trying and Try to get your answers however you can. Don't always rely on the police. You've got to do it yourself. You've got to push them every day. I don't like the way the police handled the case at all. They made so many errors, and it was David Ridgein that brought all the errors to light for me. He started showing me paperwork with all the mistakes that they had made, and I was very angry. I believe that this case has come now for a guilty deeply because of David Ridge and of what he's done.

The late musician Daniel Johnson once sang some lyrics that I found instructive. Do yourself a favor, become your own savior. We don't need an outside force to make the change that is needed. Maryanne exemplifies this by never giving up on Justice for Christie and being the reason any documentary could be made in the first place.

Did you ever get the chance to talk to Anthony Wringle person to person, like face to face?

No, because every time I went to try and find him somewhere, he'd see me and he'd run. It should have been the other way around. It should have been me hiding from him, but no, it was the other way around. I still want to hear what he has to say and what happened. Because I'd read a long impact statement, and it didn't seem to make a difference to him.

Did the police tell you specifics of how they got him to say anything, or did they tell you any other detail about- They wouldn't. So just in terms of going forward, if I go and try to find how to get in touch with Ringo, I find out where he is, do I include you on the letter and say, We want to talk to you, or do I say, I want to, and then you just come?

I'll go with you. Yeah. I want to be there. You should be there with me. Yeah, I definitely want to be there. I want to hear what he has to say, but it's his version. You still never really know. I'm strong, though. I know that. Strong person. I know that. Yeah. I've had to be all these years.

Let's find out how to work that then.

Commercial Service Canada Bonjour.

Hi there.

I'm trying to determine- It can be difficult to find where someone is incarcerated in Canada.

I'll give you access to information general inquiries.

Okay.

1844.

Thank you for calling Correctional Service Canada, Access to Information and Privacy Division. Hi there. I'm trying to confirm if someone is in federal custody here in Ontario or elsewhere in Canada. Anthony Edward Wringle, R-I-N-G-L.

But no callbacks from Corrections Canada. So I craft a letter with Maryanne. Without knowing exactly where Wringle is in custody, I send several of them to some of the likely prisons where he might be.

It's a little bit noisy back here, but it's okay. So I can put the computer right here. I brought some clips from the undercover operation to show you.

We wait for several months. Ringo doesn't respond to the letters, so I reconvene with Maryanne.

Have you seen any of this before?

No, I wasn't allowed to.

I've set up the computer with the UC videos on it on a little plastic table in a secluded outside of Maryanne's apartment. It's a place that feels safe for her to watch. My belief, shared by Maryanne, is that by confronting this footage for the first time, she can help herself to dispel some of her lingering demons. Courtroom justice is one thing, being a survivor is another.

Some of it's pretty difficult listening. In fact, in the podcast, I haven't put a lot that in. But I think it's important that you have the option of learning what he said.

Yes.

I know, Maryanne, that you say you're strong, and I know everybody thinks they're strong, but you can't unhear this stuff, right? You'll see him saying it, too. But with that in mind, I can show you, and we can, Are you okay? We'll keep going. Are you okay? We'll keep going. But only if you want to look at it because you had said that you want to know the truth.

I I want to know.

Anthony has not responded yet to anything I've sent to him. In terms of us going to talk to him, not sure when that might happen. Can you see that? Yes.

I play the first clip of undercover police video that shows the general setup of the apartment, the UC in Wringle, watching my documentary around the laptop computer. I want Maryanne to see how Ringo starts reacting to the documentary as he watches.

Let's play this here. You got to keep on watching this because it tells everything.

They screwed up. I felt more anger towards the OPP and the town cops than I did right now. Why did you come and visit our fucking house and we'll do this shit?

Keep on working.

Neither the OPP or head over police departments have agreed to speak the record about this case. So that's introduction to what the scene is like. So you see Anthony starting to talk about the case here. Anything strike you? Did you imagine it being like this?

I didn't think he'd be that casual about it.

Apparently in or close to a marshy lagoon, Ringo reportedly raged Christine and drowned her. He allegedly returns to the area a following day to bury her, face down and naked in a makeshift grave. Not only does the OPP bring Wendel to these locations- I don't understand why they couldn't find it. She wasn't even buried.

Did you catch what he said? Yeah.

This is the transcript. Anthony, I don't understand why they couldn't find it. You see, Anthony, she wasn't really buried. And that's the beginning. So that's the beginning of his confession, basically. And it goes on and on and on and on for hours.

Yeah.

He had Park, one of Christine's favorite places.

See, according to the...

That was her favorite place.

Available documents, including interviews- So he says, I didn't know it was her favorite place. And other courtroom statements.

This is what is available. And so on. I play clip after clip for Maryanne, with Ringo becoming increasingly open about what he did that day. Maryanne watches all of it intently, showing little emotion. I do not play the most graphic clips. I will leave her to watch those on her own whenever she might be ready.

It makes me angry to see him act that way on camera, be so callous about it. That he does seem to care what he did. It upsets me all over again to watch him talk like that about her. But To carry the hate all these years, that's hard, too. So until I got a life back here, it was all hatred, and that was eating me up. So you have to let some of it go. Maybe it's the only way he can cope with what he's done. I don't know. But it's not right. It's hard to deal with that. To see her walk away from the house and the last time to see her, that's hard. I had that guilt every day. We had a big argument, and I made her go to school. If I hadn't made her, it might not have happened. She might have been safe.

Guilt is etched like acid across the minds of all the victims' families I've worked with. Probably anyone who has experienced a sudden loss has become lost themselves in this terrain. But in cases like this, of people who go missing or who are murdered, it is almost always of a specific acuteness. If only they could have done something, said something, thought something different, it wouldn't have happened. Their loved one would still be here. The moments before saying goodbye, that final argument, or fleeting last glimpse wouldn't be on endless replay, and their remaining existence wouldn't be spent in some penitence, pushing people and their own lives away. This guilt has stayed with Maryanne all these years, playing out day and night.

I have nightmares every single all night long about trying to reach her and can't get to her to help her. And that's going to be the rest of my life. So I've seen psychiatrists, I've talked to counselors, and that will never go away. It's the guilt, and I feel that every day. So it's a struggle every day to get through it.

I don't think Ringo will talk to Maryanne. There's been no response to her missives, and his lawyer has not responded either. Maryanne, after seeing some of the UC tape, seems less interested in engaging with him, but still, I know, would jump at any chance if it came up. Our thoughts turn to another matter constantly on her mind.

It wasn't dug up back there.

So the police said it was dug up, but you went back there where we went?

No, nothing's been dug up. That's back in on the other side the park, the river there. It's all marsh, and there's no way they dug it up.

Have OPP or police ever communicated with you about finding remains or anything like that?

No, nothing. They said there was also helicopters with heat-seeking thermal images, and they didn't find nothing.

Has there ever been cadaver dogs run through there?

They said there was. I don't know.

Yeah, it makes me wonder about cadaver dogs and that area. There might be still some remnant that might be detected by a dog. That's something to consider as well.

Yeah.

The current owner of the property on the West East side of the Saugine River, where Wringle says he took Chrissy, says police have not been back there for at least eight years. If that is true, then nobody has really been actively looking for Chrissy. So that's what we intend to do.

Hey there, I'm Kathleen Goldtar, and I have a confession to make. I am a true crime fanatic. I devour books and films, and most of all, true crime podcasts. But sometimes I just want to know more. I want to go deeper. And that's where my podcast, Crime Story, comes Every week, I go behind the scenes with the creators of the best in true crime. I chat with the host of Scamanda, Teacher's Pet, Bone Valley. The list goes on. For the Insider scoop, find Crime Story in your podcast app.

Just heading down this trail at the Riverside, at the east side of the Saugin River out of Hanover Park. That's the kingfisher's in the trees. Those look like indigo buntings up there. The trail looks well trodden at this point. As we continue here, the ferns and dame's rocket flowers start to close in. Great day to look for a body.

It It's a few weeks later, and I'm waiting through Underbrush in Hanover, Ontario. Every step I take is shadowed by what happened here in the spring of 1993. Ringo met Christie on this path. He says he took her into the increasingly tangled woods ahead, then cross the river. I want to see exactly where because Maryanne will soon be arriving at the park that's disappearing behind me. And before she gets here, I want to make sure of where we'll be going. While she has been to the park and partway along this path, she says she's never been all the way down it. And later, she'll help search the area west of the Saugine River for the first time for Chrissy.

As you keep going here, the trail starts to divide. You can hear the town off to the left and to the right on the west side is the property that we're going to be searching today that we've been granted access to. The river bends off to the west and creates a peninsula, a large bend in the river that Ringo refers to in his conversations with police and undercover officers. He says they go right to the tip of the bend It's very much an unused part of the trail here. I have to approach down in order to get through a lot of ferns and rasberry, brambles. Logs across the trail here. They would have had to pick their way along here. If you go too fast, you can trip.

It's early June, and the trail and entire area around me is lush and overgrown. When Ringo and Christie traveled the same path in May 1993, it would have been somewhat easier going.

It's coming out to the tip here. So as you look across, you can start to see a muddy bank on the The Soggine River can flood in spring to varying degrees, and across the water, I can see some sign of that.

There are fewer trees, more grasses, and mud, but the banks are high here, and it doesn't seem like the flood margin goes that deep. It's only about 30 feet before you'd hit a line of mature trees that would have trouble growing in a flooded area. It renews my hope that we might find some remainder of Christie. I come up to the tip and stop dead.

Yeah, I think that's it there. I think that's the spot where they crossed. It's got to be both trails converge here. I think to continue this way, you would start to go back down the other side of the peninsula, right here, right down here, down this hill. And there's the water. This is the place. This is the place where Ringle pushed Chrissy in.

Wringle told undercover officers that he pushed Chrissy into the water and then went to the other western side of the river.

She went down a little bit and I went across and hit the band.

To get there, I've brought a couple of blow boats.

Oh, it's nine bark, huh? I didn't notice. It's all nine bark here. Yeah, common nine bark?

My son Owen is here to help paddle them and some gear down to the tip of the peninsula where I just walked. This will be a temporary base camp of sorts. Owen's also brought a powerful magnet with him tied to a rope. We think it's worth trying dragging it along the bottom of the river nearby. Christie, according to Wringle, lost her glasses on the way across and also perhaps a bracelet. It. There's a needle in a haystack of needles. Chance we'll find anything, but we try.

We're looking in the river. We're looking at the sides of the river. We're looking at this current and trying to figure out where the current might have taken objects. This is happening in 1993, and we're in 2024 now, and Christie will have been out here for that long. 31 years, I think. That means that her remains could have been spread by water, by flood, by deterioration, by other animals, spreading them further up away from the flood plain, possibly. So that the margin of search is actually much broader and wider than where she initially was placed by Wringle. All right, so let's actually lift this boat down. Yeah. This will be the boat that...

Owen has lived these cases alongside me for years at the muddy banks of the Mississippi River for the Deanmoor case, up in Thompson with Trevor Brown, searching Holmes Lake for the remains of Adrian Mcnaughton and for Donny Izzet on Dr. Noble's farm, and now here today as we search for Chrissy.

Okay, there's one boat.

We head down the river. Ferns and flowers, bugs, and birds. There is no shortage. Christie's favorite place is bursting with life.

Why is it that all these places are so fucking beautiful? I don't know. So we're just heading around the bend here. Got Owen paddling in the front. We're towing another canoe. Yeah. So you see this opening and then down there by that branch down there? Yeah. That's where I think he started the cross with Christie. So the search area is really all around us. I think we should just go along the shoreline starting over here.

Wringle says he pushed Christie into the water and she drifted stream a bit. He says he then jumped in after her and brought her to the western shore, somewhere a short distance downriver on the other side.

Let's just see where the current takes us. Let's figure out the course. It's a good ledge here to get stuff stuck under. I think you could get it under there. There you go.

On the end of the magnet are clumps of what looks like iron filings, common in rivers and not remarkable. We're not expecting to find anything. Opp had divers in the Saugin River for a couple of days in spring 2005. They, too, were looking for Christie's glasses, but according to court documents, they were searching at closest About 400 meters upstream of where Wringle tells police he crossed the river with Christie, the spot where Owen and I are right now.

Lots of morning warblers around here. I can really hear that morning warbler now. I wonder what they thought he was morning or who it was. Uncannily, that morning warbler is right where I think Chrissy I've probably drifted to. I think I see some police tape over there.

As we float down river from where I think Christie entered the water, something catches my eye. A tree on my left end up the steep embankment on the western side of the Soguine, a tree with a lone red OPP tape tied to one of its lower branches. Some distant time ago, I don't know when or for how long, they were here.

You know what this is? Put it inside the boat. A piece of metal, curved piece of metal. That's interesting. Does that look like it could have been from glasses? Room of glasses.

Owen has pulled up the magnet to find an old, rusty nail and something else, a curved piece of metal. Our excitement and wishful thinking wanted to be a piece of Christie's glasses, but I suspect it may be nothing.

It does look like a piece from a pair of glasses, doesn't it? You think so? I don't know. It's obviously impossible to say in wishful thinking to say it's from glasses. Okay, so we're almost ready to get out of here.

Time to get back down the trail to Hanover Park. Maryanne will soon be there after checking into her hotel, but someone else who will be helping us has just arrived.

Hello. Hi. How are you guys? I'm good.

Kim Cooper and Pauline Sunman have arrived with their dogs, Recce and Taz, cadaver dogs that will be part of the search today.

How's it been going since I saw you last, Kim? Good, good, good. Busy?

This year, we're just saying it's probably the busiest year we've had. Is that right?

Yeah.

Kim and Pauline have volunteered on many searches like this, both live search and for human remains, including on SKS cases. Our hope is that they might find something where police searches did not. Kim wonders what I know about the prospective search area.

I have a map that they drew, but I mean, the area is the area, right? It's not just... It's been what? Over 30 years, right? So spread, other animals, floodplain. I mean, other animals could have taken bone anywhere, right? So within whatever... You must have some matrix for measuring that, right? Animals don't go far. Yeah.

If Wringle is being truthful about where he took Christie in 1993, her remains could still be in this area. The floodplain doesn't seem to be consistent or even that high. And if, as Cooper says, other animals do not spread remains that far, we might have a slim chance. And it's one that Maryanne is willing to take.

Hi. Hi. How are you? I'm all right. Good to see you. Thanks for coming.

Maryanne has driven here from her home a few hours away. She looks tired but determined.

Pauline and Kim, this is Maryanne.Hi.

I'm Kim.Nice to meet you.

And today, I'm not expecting miracles, but feel free to wander around in the woods after the dogs if you want. But if you want to just stay put in the shade, that's fine, too.

We begin our walk out to where I have placed the boats to make the crossing today, the likely point where Ringo says he and Christie went.

So we're coming up on the trail entrance here. And did police ever Did she ever bring you out here before?

No.

So no one has ever brought you on this actual trail here? No.

As we make our way out, it's tough going for Maryanne.

How are you doing so far? Good.

There's lots of places to hide her that nobody would see her in this.

Okay, now be careful here. This is a big log. I'll grab my arm there. Okay, that's good. You're good. Watch out, I slipped right around here and face planted this morning. She's been here before, though, right? She would have known the area. He certainly knew the area. So right around here is where you start to see that other shore. Yeah. So we're coming out. This is the very tip here. You have to go really low, though, down here. It's a really, really narrow little trail. You think you can come through there?

Yeah. Well, this is where it gets slippery.

Yeah. There you go.

Maryanne and the dog handlers hunched down almost to their knees, following me on the final segment of trail that leads to the water's edge.

So this is the place where I think they probably got to.

Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah.

And I think the red police tab is on that tree there. You can see it if you come I'll get her over this way a bit. Yeah, just on this side. And she drifted down a bit. The flow probably wouldn't have been much bigger than this at the time. So that log down there would be the last place. I would say no more than 30 feet in.

So if we're over here, like you say, 30 feet in or so, any animal scatter should only be 100 meters, not much more.

Yeah. Ringo, he was not implying that they were that far in. So I would say if you start at that log and you push. Okay, so I'll take the dog and Pauline over first just so she can get the work.

I They retrieve the boat and paddle it to where everyone is waiting. I'll shuttle groups over in pairs across the section of water Wringle says he and Christie went through.

All right. You think the dog is going to like getting in here?

Pauline and Taz get into the boat, and we're soon on the other side.

So I'm going to go along the shoreline, then I'll work my way back. And then when I feel I'm finished, I'll come back.

Okay, and we'll just be looking around in here. Okay, great. Good luck.

I return to pick up Maryanne. She's afraid of water. Christie, too, would have been afraid here and wasn't a strong swimmer.

All right, just settle in for this journey across the river. It'll be a slow trip. When was the last time you were on that trail, Maryanne? I didn't go quite that far, but it was that weekend.

Meaning that weekend when Christie disappeared in 1993.

That weekend? Yeah. So that weekend you traveled that trail, but not that far.

Just not that far.

And then after that, you would not have come down that trail again?

No, I didn't. No.

We get out of the boat on the other side of the river where we believe Ringle crossed with Chrissy. Maryanne has never been here before and ventures deep into the bush.

Uh-oh. Shit. Shit, sorry.

Here.

Give me your hand on there.

Maryanne's leg has disappeared into a deep hole in the I help her out, and she's okay. The ferns and grasses are up to our shoulders, and we can't see the ground. Walking is a process of feeling with tips of toes first, then proceeding. It's a nearly impossible task.

There you go. Step right over that, Marion. Sorry, I should have held on to you there. A bit of a clearing here, so that's a bit of a relief for you. Here you go. How's that? Okay, don't go too close to the edge. Thank Yeah.

I walk around on my own for a while and can hear the ring of Taz. At one point, Taz comes up to me and I cannot even see her. She's less than a foot away. The overgrowth of ferns is too thick, and I come to a point of recognition. This is too difficult. I return to Maryanne in the clearing.

So I think we should just go back to the beach myself because it just seems pretty... I mean, we We can keep wandering around and hope that we hit the right spot, but be careful. Here's that hole. There's another hole there.

We return to the beach after trudging back along our trail through the under brush.

Threw my vertical off, going through there.

Oh, you got a little bit of dizziness now? Yeah.

Maryanne's fall makes her feel dizzy. We pause to catch our breath and to wait the searchers return.

What do you think that Christie would be doing now?

What she would be doing? She'd probably have her own children, her own life, and she'd be out camping with them, be in summer. She loved to camp.

We can hear the bells, and Pauline and Taz suddenly appear out of seemingly nowhere.

So there was a little area that she perkt up, but she didn't indicate.

You recorded that spot on there? Yeah. Okay, good. How far down did you go that way?

Well, I think I went as far as you pointed at that. That log? Yeah, that log. Okay. Yeah. So it's It's very dense in there.

It's very dense, yeah. The better time to come is a month and a half earlier. I'm going to probably have to come back, walk the whole area next year thing. Or even in the fall. In the fall, yeah.

When everything dies down.

Kim Cooper confirms that she and Ricky will not continue the search today. Conditions are not right.

I mean, I've got a lot of trust in Taz. I don't think it has to be worked again. Okay.

I'll revisit this place at some point. It's too bad that it's so high, but I think smell is smell. I mean, if anything, the ferns are going to keep the smell down.

Which isn't necessarily good. We like it up because then it moves around and the dogs can pick it up from further away because it's being carried by the wind. If it's being smothered, they'd have to be right on top of it.

Yeah. Okay. Well, then that's too bad. Thanks for trying that. I may go try and do a little bit of metal detecting now, but I'll probably get out of here as well soon. But I think I can get all that stuff over here. Myself. And thanks so much.

Yeah, no problem.

Kim and Pauline have agreed to come back here, and I'll be here when it happens.

That's when we had to go. If you go too early, though, then it's too wet and tough to get around, muddy. If you go in the fall, you just have to go before freeze.

Back at the hotel with Maryanne for a debrief.

It was hard going through there. Yeah. And to try and find anything there would be difficult.

Yeah, it was tough going. But that's okay. I mean, we tried. That's part of the The reason we tried it is because we wanted to try. I trust the dogs. I trust the handlers. So I think that we have to live with that. It also shows me that if that area had been searched, Because I went up and down a path four times, and that path was easily discernible. You could easily see that path to the grass. So Ringo went back the next day. They both walked to this spot, somehow went to this spot. He forced Christie, but she went there and would have trampled the grass, too. So that's three different trips or four different trips in the same area. I feel like she would have been found.

Yeah, they didn't search. They would have found her.

The West Side of the Soggin was not searched in 1993 after Christie disappeared, according to records. Yeah.

I mean, even Pauline, you could see where she'd been after one walk through. I don't know about five days later, but a couple of days later, you would have been able to see that trail, right? Exactly.

And I told them, I know she's there. I could feel it.

And that just makes me not angry, but just... It's unfortunate, right? And these are things you have to hold inside and accept. As you know, you're an expert at accepting, but not accepting, right? And you have to hold it inside and you have to accept that it's there or else you won't be able to function. You have to be able to manage and survive with this stuff inside you. And you've done that, commendably.

Yeah, I had to do it. If I wouldn't, if I had a wonder. Yeah, it's just something I have to do. Yeah.

I hope you have a safe journey home. I wish we'd be able to say that we found Chrissy today, but we'll see you.

Thanks for all your help. Like I said, without you doing that, nothing would have happened.

Well, it feels like something happened and the work was worthwhile anyways. And you're in it. I mean, you're the reason that we did it, right? All right. Okay. There's so much data. Yeah. Okay. Take care.

Bye.

I say my goodbyes and head back to the site to do some end-of-day metal detecting and to gather all the gear and my thoughts.

If you fight the thing that you hate or that you're afraid of or that you can't solve, that's when you get the problems. You have to accept. You accept it, and you keep trying, and you move on. It's part of you. It's okay. She's part of this entire place now. She's not just in one place, which was her favorite place. It's cold comfort, but that's okay. It's okay.

I find nothing with the detector. In fact, I find that it's more of a distraction, but this ridiculously beeping device is a good reminder. We're here survive, but also to do more than that. And that is what we will do. You got to keep trying.

You got to keep trying. I don't think you need to accept it. I think you just have to keep trying. This is the final planned episode in the case of Christine Heron.

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Down to find. Every moment, say, step back home. Find in my place.

Take it to yourself, let it fall. Don't ever leave, baby. Don't ever leave, baby. Don't ever leave, baby.

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