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Hello and welcome to Something Rhymes with Purple. This is a podcast about words, about language and about passion and one that we have played so many word games over the course of the 94 episodes.

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And yet we haven't covered the most popular word game that millions play each day. And I happen to know that Mike Hypocenter knows all about this particular word game because he is a Krusty verbalised and that is just Brandreth Giles.

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Hello. It's good to be with you again. Suzy, tell me, what are the gruesome verbalised Creasey verbalised is simply a crossword lover. I am indeed a crossword lover. I'm not very good at crosswords, but I do love them and I was taught not to worry about not being very good at them by a very great British actor called Sir John Gielgud before your time. But do you remember the name? I definitely remember John Gielgud.

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Yes, he was an actor. What an actor. And he lived to be 97 years of age. And I wrote his biography, which is how I got to know him. And he was a crossword fanatic. He lived to be 97. And when he died, there was a completed crossword at his bedside. He attributed his longevity to his passion for crosswords, uses the completing the crossword is the only exercise I take. I smoked nonstop to solving the crossword, clears the fumes, but he could do it very well and very, very quickly.

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And I was once with him when he appeared to have completed the crossword, the Times crossword, notoriously very difficult in about ten minutes. Wow. And it was on a set and there was another actor peered over his shoulder and looked at the crossword that he'd completed and said, so, John. So John, ten across there, did he bums? What on earth did he bums? And Sir John replied, I don't know. But it does fit frightfully well, sir.

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He was quite happy just to put in silly word, just fill in the blanks with anything. I love that you've just reminded me of. You remember the wonderful film critic Barry Norman, of course. And he was also a huge, cryptic crossword lover. And he and his wife would compete with two separate copies of The Times every single morning and keep a tally as to who was winning, which was obviously the key to a successful marriage.

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Well, let me take you back to the beginning of the crossword, because the crossword really was a Christmas present to all of us, to the world from a man named Arthur Win for the win. Originally from Merseyside, he was the son of the editor of the Liverpool Mercury, and he moved to New York in around nineteen eighty five, pursued his own career newspapers. Well, in 1913, just before the beginning of the Great War, he was working at the New York World as editor of their funds section and wanting something a little bit special for that year's seasonal supplement.

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He came up with what he called the word cross, not the crossword, the word cross. And it was really derived from the ancient game of acrostics, you know, puzzle where you just took the first letter and played games with the first letter of a word going down and across. It was a diamond shaped one was I think his image certainly was. His first one was Diamond Shaped, published on Sunday, the 21st of December 1913, with thirty one very simple clues.

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No black squares, very little fanfare, you say simple. Giles, sorry to interrupt you. Right. Some of them ridiculously easy, like the plural of is, but there was a really fiendish one in there, which is the fiber of the Camuti Palm, which apparently is it like though, which I mean, I wouldn't get in a million years.

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I think it had its challenge. It had its challenge, but it wasn't then. It was simply the first time he's ever done it was a word cross. The idea of cryptic clues wasn't didn't exist. It was just simply can you find definitional definitions to fit here? And the story could have ended there. But a few readers wrote in expressing enthusiasm for what they saw as a brainteaser. So it had to go back the next week and they came up with a catch your name and they called it a crossword, then spent ten years at this newspaper, The World, building up a loyal but limited following.

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But it didn't hit the big time until nineteen twenty four. So we're coming up to the centenary soon of crosswords, conquering the world when a pair of Harvard graduates, young men Dick Simon and Max Schuster names ring a bell. Yes, Simon and Schuster, Simon Schuster, they were young men. They decided to go into publishing and they set up a company. They had offices, they employed a secretary, but they didn't have really any idea what to publish until the day came when Dick Simons aunt visited the office and took them out to tea Aunt Weixin over tea.

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She said to her nephew if he knew where she could buy a book of these crossword puzzles that she so enjoyed from The World newspaper. They hotfooted it down to the offices of the world, they came away with an agreement to publish the first ever book of crosswords, and within a year they had sold wait for it 400000 copies of the book and the worldwide phenomenon began. The country went crossword crazy.

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Is it true that Simon and Schuster were so unsure about the book's reception they omitted the publisher's name from the cover and then realized that all these fears were completely unfounded?

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Absolutely, because people thought is this trivial and some people did think it was trivial because there were crosswords everywhere. People who, you know, crosswords put on dresses. It became such an obsession. They even churches in the 1920s that would have a giant crossword puzzle printed up on a sheet and they'd hang it over the pulpit. So the radio listening to the sermon, you could also try to solve the crossword. The first crossword published in the UK appeared in the Sunday Express on the second December 1924.

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There was a lot of skepticism, including, interestingly, we mentioned The Times, an article in the Times that branded the crossword a menace that an enslaved America. It shouldn't take hold of us. We mustn't succumb to the puzzles Alua. But people did. Of course, these early crosswords were, as you say, they were definitional. But then and we are the parents of this America really pioneered the definition crossword. We pioneered the cryptic crossword. And a famous literary critic called Edward Powis Mathus began setting crosswords in the Observer newspaper Sunday newspaper in 1926, and he used a pseudonym, Torquemada Wise, Torquemada famous.

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I don't know. He was the fiend of the Spanish Inquisition. Renana was the name of the most fearsome of all the Spanish inquisitors. It is so his. Yes, exactly. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition. So his clues were they were cruel.

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They were like an inquisition. They contained puns and anagrams and a lot of wit. And that's how it gradually grew. And the cryptic is the complicated, intellectually brooding cousin really of the definitional. And I think it's got the mystique. It's got the depth, you know, in the old days. Give an example. If the solution was water, the glue would have been a chemical compound containing two molecules of hydrogen water. The cryptic version is H.R.H. like that.

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One is lovely. Yes, h i j k l o going h to o brilliant. Apex wasn't the highest point. If we're looking for Apex a kiss from a monkey to get it. Yeah. What about this roast. Mughals went topsy turvy roast mules went topsy turvy. Topsy turvy. Gives you an indication of something going upside down. That's, that's giving you a clue. And you've got a lettuce roast mules. I'll tell you. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, ten letters roast mules, take roast mules, make them go topsy turvy.

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What you get, it's an anagram.

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It's an anagram. I'd have to write it down. Can you leave that one with me? I'll leave that one with you. I'll leave that one with everybody and see if they can come back to it. So it was really through the cryptic that the special language of the crossword developed. So even a crossword clue you read the words we hear that indicates a pun. Yeah. The word strangely or unusual or in a muddle point towards an anagram like, you know, Topsy-Turvy returning usually means a word in reverse.

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Yeah, but be wary. Upset could indicate a reversal or an anagram and about an anagram or an envelopment, whether something at either end. So a whole sort of language evolved. And then of course, there is not a newspaper on the planet Earth in twenty twenty that does not feature a crossword. It is the most successful language puzzle in the history of language.

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Can I give you one of my favorites? Yes, I work on a spelling out with a brilliant Andy Salmon that could sell a lot and he loves linking, which means he absolutely adores crosswords. And he gave me one of his favorites, which was the clue was simply, oh, and it's an eight letter word followed by a six letter word, eight and six year.

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The collusively. Oh, a clue. Yes. Good grief. Brilliant.

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I'll tell you this one, because I think it's it it's fiendish. The answer is circular letter. Oh, my God. I know. I mean, isn't that amazing? Oh, I mean, this is the satisfaction of the cryptic clue. The clue is simply the letter. Oh, it's you see the letters and then the circular letter. Well, let me give you another fiendish one and then we'll explain it to give people an idea who aren't into cryptic crosswords.

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What the phenomenon is. This is a clue from Ziman ease. They give themselves these crossword letters, fun names considered by many the master set up. This is the clue, excitement. It will interrupt the end of term. Now, I'll help you there, the end of term is going to be interrupted, you, like me, went to Oxford University, some of these old universities, if that terms funny names, there's the Michaelmas term in autumn.

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Hillary, that's the spring term. Is that the Hillary? Yeah, good. Think about that general term, Hillary. OK, take the end of Hillary. It's going to be an interrupted excitement.

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Excitement, hilarity, hilarity. You've got it. That's so clever. Isn't that nice that I like. Really clever. Can I get another of Andys please. OK, this is another. It seems so simple. The clue is gag and the the words or the answer. The solution is a nine letter word followed by a three letter word gag. Good egg. Good Ole Miss. Oh, no. Nine followed by three, but you're on the right track.

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It's the scrambled egg eggs, but of course it is Jumbo. It's so clever. I did a book of mazes once and we called it Scrambled Eggs. Oh, there you go. Brilliant.

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Of course, the crossword has played its part in in history because in the the run up to the D-Day landings in 1944, allied commanders became alarmed because morning after morning, the Daily Telegraph crossword in Britain appeared with yet another clue that led to a code word for the Operation Overlord, Neptune, Mulberry, all appearing in the run up to the D-Day landings, and nearly a dozen appeared in total. The clues have been set by one man, Leonard Dorje, the chief crossword setter at the paper for nearly 20 years, and MI5 descended on his home in Surrey.

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The door managed to convince them that it was nothing more than the most incredible of coincidences that extraordinary. But over the last century, I mean the crossword into the history books and the record books, because the world's biggest crossword had wait for it three thousand one hundred forty nine clues across and three hundred eighty five clues down. And of course, you know, in a way that imitation things like this are juco kind of taking it into the world of numbers.

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But you can't beat the original crossword. And I think, you know, the Times, The Telegraph are amongst the most clever. I think one of the best telegraph clues ever was the one set for the two millionth clue. I think it was his two millionth clue in the Telegraph. And he's a man called Roger Squires, used to be the world's most prolific setter. And this is the clue to girls. One on each knee, two girls, one in each the.

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OK, so what do you think you're looking for the two girls patellar, did you genuinely just get that?

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I did. I did, because I thought part of mine is that the patella is to do with the knee.

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But I'm trying to get the Dell'Abate and as a girl's name to go got you. See, I worked out with not only a brilliant patella. That is so clever. Oh, good. That is brilliant. I'm going to give you one. Like the scrambled eggs, like a jammed cylinder. Five and four or five letters and then four letters, a jammed cylinder. I think it's a clever. How many, five, followed by four, five letters in four letters, two words if jammed a cylinder.

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The jam will take you to something you eat. OK, and I certainly will take it to a shape. So if you think of a jam Roly-Poly that come in but think what might be. Food, that's the shape of a cylinder that could have jam as a filling. Uh. Want. Well, no, yes, roll is the cylinder, OK?

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And then the first bit is it's a Swiss Rolls Royce. Oh my goodness, I found this one cylinder. It's very good. OK, I've got one for you, please. This is a four letter solution.

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Amundsen's forwarding address, Amundson Amundson was the explorer. And where did you go forwarding address? Did you go to the South Pole or the North Pole? It doesn't actually matter with this. It's a pole pole. Become involved. No. Oh. It's really clever, this one's family out there is give me another clue, give me a clue.

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He's addressing his husky's to go forward to his forwarding address to the dogs.

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What's the shallow Husky's tell you?

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How much or much do you do say that? Yes, I am upset. That is that the answer. Is that what you said? I didn't know that for the next. Let me say one more thing is were the crossword. You do need knowledge though. They do try the best crossword clues, give you everything you need to know within the clue. That is the trick of it. You already have to to know it all. I'll give you just one more, OK?

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Which I like a stiff examination. A stiff examination. How many letters? Two words for the word, followed by a six letter word. A stiff examination, a. Well, if you examine something in retrospect, we always after the show, after we've done our podcast, we think back we said, well, look, you know, we were we got the best entertainment podcast in 20/20. How are we doing this year? Oh, I'm not so sure.

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Are we up to it? We have a what's called a. As we look back on it, we examine how we did what we call that are examining. Let us know just what would you and I go looking back on a retrospective. Yes. Or a post mortem. A post-mortem we examine in both a stiff examination, a post-mortem. Oh, that's excellent. A dead body is known as the stiff. A post-mortem is an examination. Oh, that's brilliant.

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It's ingenious, isn't it? Everybody is really good. I mean, the centenary, the crossword goes back to 2013. But in 1925, Buckingham Palace actually released an official statement declaring that Queen Mary was a crossword enthusiast and the royals have always loved crosswords. In 1954, her granddaughter, Princess Margaret, went one better entering the crossword competition in Good Housekeeping magazine and winning first prize. She didn't say it was well, actually put her name and address.

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She didn't say, hello, this is us. I'm Princess Margaret. Intermixture sent in the girl and she won first prize. How brilliant. The queen is there to enjoy a crossword. And I do know because I've written a book about life in prison and visit, visited a number of people in prison. So two people entertained at a pleasure, of course. So, you know, it is a it is a great pastime, but people have been critical about that over the years.

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But there was a famous the first famous female crossword puzzle editor woman called Martha Petherbridge. And she famously said in the 1930s when people were being critical of the crossword, the time of the Great Depression, who can worry about the rent when you're trying to solve 25 down? Well, that's what I love. A crossword, I agree.

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Should give you one more. Give me a couple and then I can try and solve it and people listening and try and solve it, too.

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OK, clue 13 letters in the solution, the cruelty of 39 cards, the cruelty of 39 cards and another one.

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And finally, this is for definitely for British listeners here. So apologies to those who aren't British, but I hope you'll enjoy it anyway. The clue is a bar of soap, six and then six, the six letter word for my father. So.

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Six British institution is involved in the answer here. OK, excellent. We'll take a quick break. And don't forget, we've still got the pandemic everywhere. Speaking of soap, use that soap to wash your hands. A minimum of 20 seconds. In July 20 20, Glenn Maxwell was charged with recruiting underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein.

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Well, it turns out this isn't her first scandal. Robert Maxwell is going missing. Dylan's father was a media mogul.

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We had two really big media moguls. One was Rupert Murdoch. And then there was Robert Maxwell. He died mysteriously in disgrace.

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The more you know him, the more you dislike it. That led going to Epstein Daddy's little grifter. That's this season on the podcast Power the Maxwells.

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Welcome back to the New Year with Purple. And I left you and Giles with two fiendishly difficult crossword clues, which Giles has been sweating over during the break. How did it go?

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How did mine go as well? Because I left you earlier on with the clue. Roast mules went topsy turvy. Yes, summersault. Is that right? Summersaults. I think it's in the summersaults.

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She got that because I've got it written down here. Summersaults like that one. Good roast mules. You're Topsy-Turvy. Just anagram of roast mules and shovel up the letters making them Topsy-Turvy and you get summersaults. Now, what were your two again?

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Okay, so the first one for our British listeners, bar of soap, six letter word followed by six letter word bar of soap. Now, the reason that you said this is for British viewers and listeners is because the clue here takes us to a British television soap, our longest running soap called Coronation Street. But in fact, it's shown around the world. You get in America, India, Australia, they love curry all across the world. Amazing.

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And of course, it is a soap. And in that soap is a bar at the pub. And the pub is called The of Return. So it's a bar of soap. The rovers return. Good sleuthing. I like that. What have you been watching? The Crown, by the way?

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I have, but I'm so far behind everybody else. I'm still on the first series and the Queen is still arguing for Philip to keep flying. Oh my God. Yeah, Matt Smith is just amazing. So I'm really far behind.

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That's the soap that is seen globally. I call it the fabulous pink Kamay of soaps because it's high gloss, but it's nonetheless a soap opera of sorts. The creative cards I've grown to 39 percent. Yes. Now there are 52 cards in the back. 39. What does this mean? I thought of 39 steps. I was right with the first one.

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There are 52 cards in the pack, but if you take one suit out, you're the cruelty of cards.

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So you've got spades. Hearts, it's broken hearts. One word, thirteen letters, one word. So we've got three suits. So one of the suits is missing. Is it the missing suit that we're looking for? Yeah. You got the right one cards. Yes. So if you are if you are without mercy, what are you, heartless. Heartless is the answer. Ambitiousness artlessness lessness gives you thirteen. Oh you see the cruelty of cards.

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That's it. Thirty nine cards is a pack without any hearts. Guilty is heartlessness. Yeah. It's so ingenious isn't it.

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And so satisfying if you do actually crack it up. Crosswords feature everywhere. I mean they're part of people's life. They featured The Simpsons, they do crosswords, brief encounter. You know that wonderful 1940s film with Trevor Hardin, Celia Johnson, husbands too busy doing the crossword to notice his wife. I remember the crossword anguish. It's just a moment. They appear everywhere. There's an episode of Inside Number nine, chiasmus smitham, Steve Pemberton, and the plot revolves around a cryptic crossword.

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Oh, by the way, is there an interesting origin to the word cryptic?

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Well, not particularly. It's related to a crypt, as you would expect. And that goes back to the underground room for religious right to the vault, the crypt. So the idea is that it's kind of hidden and concealed. And of course, if something is cryptic, it is not easily accessible.

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Yeah, lots of writers have loved crosswords. One of my favorite English authors, P.G. Woodhouse, big fan, as, of course, was the character Inspector Morse created by Colin Dexter. And in several episodes of the crime series, Inspector Morse, a clue is relating to the crime committed. He manages to solve it by dint of looking at a crossword puzzle.

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Yes, that you mentioned P.G. Wodehouse there as well. And if you know Ben Short and yeah, the writer of some wonderful miscellaneous well, he has written a good house in novel called Jeeves and the Leap of Faith, and he sets a crossword puzzle as it can be a standalone or they can relate to specific points in the story. But it was within the book. I've ordered it. I haven't actually seen it yet, but it sounds absolutely ingenious and.

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Of course, you know, as you say, building on the fact that P.G. Woodhouse used crossword clues in his own stories. Well, Mark James at a character is the great writer of Ghost Stories. Yeah. Who timed his breakfast egg by the time it took him to do the Times crossword. And he did not like a hard boiled egg. Well, I find that almost impossible to believe. How long do you boil your eggs?

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Well, you know, I never quite get it right. I always try four, five, and then it's just still a bit the white the album and is still a bit too translucent for my liking. And then I get four six and it's too far gone. So I've got to obviously go down the middle. I can't get it quite right. Just the same as I can't poach my eggs very well.

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How about you? I like mine about four minutes, to be honest. I don't really, really runny. Oh no, it's not really runny so I don't think I'm taking my time is wrong. Yeah. That think it is one of minutes gives me quite runny egg. Oh really. Four minutes. I think we should just stick with gags if you kiss.

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If I put a stick in your eye it's a pick it up. How do you spell the next word poke. I just wanted to poke good people who go dancing just like mummies. That kind of traditional dancing. What's that called? Uh, folk. How do you play? How do you spell folk folk now what you call the white of an egg yolk?

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You see, that is and that's a that's one of my grandchildren's favorite jokes. And of course, the way the eggs, the albumen. It's the yellow album in a minute ago. Do you really got that wrong? I thought you were playing along with me. That's really stupid. How do you spell yolk? Why are all right.

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OK, why O'Kelley Akl said this woman is Elphick and the other yolk is the horrible Polynice that you put her on.

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I've got as revenge for that really mean joke. I've got one one clue that's on Andy's list, which is just really good.

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And he actually wrote this one himself, hidden talent, six letters, hidden talent, six letters and a bushel as in hiding her light under a bushel. Yeah, that isn't six letters.

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It's hidden in the word talent. Oh, it is. Okay, so it's going to be a version of talent that means hidden the latent latent legendary. Thank you. But you did have to help me. And if people are coming new to crossword puzzles, I do suggest you do it with a partner or a friend so that you can chat it through like this, because doing it on one's own I find very, very frustrating. Yes. So that's it.

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I've got one one final one, which is possibly my favorite in the list, and I'll get it right at the very end.

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The clue is Web designer sic web designer six Web design.

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I'll give you the answer right at the end. OK, right at the end of the show. Yes. All right. I'll work on that. Well, you tell me if we hadn't noticed this week, I think we had letters. If people wanted to send us the most fiendish crossword puzzle clue you've ever come across in your lifetime. And also, if you've got an original one, you're free to send it to us people to send us the most eccentric things, like somebody was in I don't know how they managed to get South Africa over Christmas, but they did send me a photograph of a sign in a safari park.

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And it reads, If you read the sign, elephants, please stay in your car. But that's what the sign says. Of course, I assume it means elephants. Please stay in your car. Watch out. There's no punctuation. That's brilliant. A lot of people visiting us.

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We've had something from Brad Albrecht. I think we might have heard from Brett before, actually. He says, thank you so much for the book because it makes me smile to hear those WP opening notes and they pop up in his face. I thank you for that. But he has a question about the phrase meat cute used to describe the scene in romantic comedy where fate or luck brings the central couple together in a memorable way. The components of the phrase is straightforward enough, but the word order seems backwards and he's completely right.

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It's a really weird formulation and it's filmmakers jargon. As Brad says, it's to have an accidental meeting which leads to romantic involvement. It was first used in a film I haven't seen, even though I used to watch loads of old movies with my mum. 1938, Bluebeard's eight wife.

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You see Charles? No, no. Claudette Colbert and Gary Cooper. Oh, it sounds my sort of film.

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Yeah, they meet while shopping for pajamas and it turns into delightfully cute conversation and I guess romance after that and why they have flipped the two words. I honestly don't know, Brad. I wish I could tell you. The only thing I can say is that so often in this kind of tribal shorthand, we do play around with things to make it our own. But if any of the purple people have a. Explanation as to why it's not cute, meet rather than meet cute.

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Please let us know because I'm not completely sure. So that was from Brad and from Gary, know from George. It's not your dad. It's the drugs she's on. The structure says they're for medicinal purposes. But I think that her new year passed on from her secret admirer contains some wacky baccy or something.

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Something I'm doing the Sherlock Holmes thing to kind of improve my crossword sleuthing. OK, so George and a doctor, George, they're definitely not a Gary after are enlightening and entertaining session on sex. He wonders about the origin of the word camp as in rather theatrical behavior. OK, so first definition of the term we can find in the OED is 19. 009 definition is ostentatious, exaggerated, affected, theatrical, effeminate, etc. and became synonymous with really stereotypical male homosexuality.

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So definitely how people wanted to portray those who were gay, but it's been completely embraced by those it was slightly used against. It's a kind of spirit of extravagance, isn't it, really? And women can become, too. I think Susan Sontag famously said that camp is a woman walking around in a dress made of three million feathers and more and more award ceremonies. You have people arriving on. We talked about divans last week. I mean, arriving on these most incredibly embellished, you know, chairs that have been carried by six naked men, except, I mean, really, really camp.

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The best guess we have is that it stems from 17th century France and they have a second baby, which meant to posture boldly, in other words, to strike a pose, as Madonna would say, good.

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So when you're camping about, you are indeed striking a balance. Absolutely.

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I've got one of the out I would quickly like to make, which is from the girls at St. George's in Ascot because their first year pupils are filming for their will have been filming for their production of A Christmas Carol, sadly, was a virtual experience that obviously went out before Christmas and they decided to have a debate about Dickensian language. And that feeds right back into our episode on Dickens. And they did brilliantly. And I just wanted to say well done and well done, too.

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For their interest in language and linguistics, you use the phrase shout out.

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That's a relatively new expression, isn't it? Yes, it's literally shouting out. But yeah, that come into OK, I'm looking that up in the OED.

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I associate it with kind of Radio one deejay's 1990. Good. So pretty recent. It's evolving. And you mentioned Sherlock Holmes and sleuthing. And of course, people who solve crossword puzzles are seen as word sleuths. The origin of the word sleuth. SL UTX.

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Yes, it's a trail that was pursued by hounds, I think, and say a sleuth hound was obviously one that was kind of following a track.

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So, yes, it goes back to, I think, Old Norse and Norwegian SLU meaning a trail while I continue sleuthing to see whether I can unravel the six letter word that the clue web designer is supposed to lead us to. Can you share with us your trio of interesting words that you feel we should know and use to bring to life the ones that I like?

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Well, this is one that I particularly like because it describes a lot of people. There are a lot of words in English for sounding off for speechifying, and this is one of them expectorate all of it. So you're basically running off at the mouth, I guess, if you are expatriating, which I think is quite nice.

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I don't know if you have this.

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I seem to at the moment and I need to eat more carrots unless that is a myth. McTell, Lapeer. So NY City OPEC is poor vision in low light and loopier, just quite useful, I think. And simply I think after Christmas, a lot of us are feeling this just right now and of course some people far worse than others after 2020. But Nepenthe means having no money at all. So Nepenthe is just nothing because you have no pense left there for you to say, I have I have nothing.

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You can even say I am not. But don't ever write yourself off because things can come good. But yes, this is I think a lot of us are feeling impoverished at the moment and I'm hoping this year is going to come good.

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Eventually, yes. January still. I'm not quite feeling it yet. No, the despair will come.

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Do you remember that was one of our words of 20/20 despair, fresh hope. It'll come.

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Well, there's a lovely poem I'm going to share with you by Matt Goodfellow. And it captures in a way, that sense of uncertainty and yet anticipation of what the New Year might bring, some things moving in. I hear the weather in the wind since the tension of a sheep field and the pilgrimage of fins. Something's not the same. I taste the sap and. The grain here, the rolling of the roon ringing, singing in a change, something's set to start.

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There's Mido music in the dark and the clouds that shroud the mountain slowly, softly start to part. That's beautiful. It has been set by somebody called Matt Goodfellow. And, of course, the images that are very rural images and we are both really townies. But I think we are hoping that the clouds that shroud the mountains are slowly, softly starting to part the castle. We want to feel this is going to be a better year that we move into.

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Yes, it's starting from a very low base, so let's hope so. Thank you to everyone for listening. Let's just say please do get in touch, especially if you've got some fiendish clues and let us know at purple. That's something else. Dot com. Before we get to the credits, Charles, did you get the answer?

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Now, the question was the clue was web designer. Yes. And I wasted a lot of time looking at the letters in Web and designer. And then I thought about different who would make a web. And then I thought, of course, I'm locked into the modern world and the World Wide Web. But of course, the origin of the web was the interconnection between the spider's web. That's how you got the idea of the World Wide Web. It looks like a spider's web.

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And who designs the spider's web. But a spider is the spider. Excellent. Excellent job there. Yes, a spider. I love that one. Web design is so simple, but pretty cryptic at the same time. Something once purple's is something else. Production produced by Lawrence Bassett with production help from Harry. Well, Steve Ackmann, Alan McCleod Jbeil.

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And yeah, I've forgotten his name. So cryptic. We never see him these days. Gulik.