Hello, everybody, welcome to Episode 303 of Spin Checklist presented by Pink Whitney from our friends at New Amsterdam Vodka on the barstool sports podcast, Family.

Well, boys, let's say hello. Go around the crew and see what's going on. Mike Grenelle, Lampedusa. What's normal guy.

What's going on, guys? I went hatless today because I wanted to show off the new haircut and get your guys opinion.

What do you guys think? Unbelievable. Thank you. It was about time I did my leg in the back still and.

Oh yeah.

Oh so you got rid of the split ends. That's what the ladies do. And then they grow it out a little longer and then they cut the split ends off that way. They have nice fresh hair with things that we'll never know.

So might have the longest hair in the podcast. Now that's true. Like that's why I didn't say his name because he's got a very long scarlet. I could very well have split ends right now myself. I wouldn't know the difference because I've never had him before. That was the voice of Paul business. He Bissonette out in the desert.

What's up, buddy? Nothing much trying to get back in shape, guy. Been going about five or six times a week. My body is so fucking sore with all my recovery is just not there even though I got the loop on it. Just like stop, stop.

Work it out please. For the love of God. So trying to get back in shape. And that's pretty much all that's going on the desert, although things are cooling down here wet, it is perfect weather and we should probably think about maybe doing a sandbagger down in the desert pretty soon.

Oh, speaking of that's the third member of the crew, Ryan Whitney, the wet dog. And I will get to the sandbagger in a sec. Where are you right now?

It doesn't look like the usual homestead unless you have a home office. So we moved in here about two years ago and I finally made a room into an office. I got a desk.

I haven't got the chair yet, so I want to get a chair. I get the background getting set up. I got the the window open. It's a beautiful day right now. Don't worry, Mikey. I'll miss it if I see a big old garbage truck driving by. I actually have a special special thing going on the wall.

I'm waiting.

This isn't the frame that it'll be about world champs. So that's going somewhere. Nineteen ninety seven. I think you know that. That's right.

Well the people listening, they can't see. You'll have to show this clip. Mickey.

I have a couch in front of me. I have a couple of tables and I have a TV on the wall so I am full blown home office guy now. Took me long enough. I'm very excited. We have plenty to talk about. Lots of golf, lots of golf talk because I have my golf trip to Pinehurst. I'm going to go over that later. We had the sandbaggers. We can hop right into that. I don't necessarily want to give away what happened because it only was released on when the Tuesday evening.

Now it's Thursday morning. As you listen to this, I think you should watch it already, but it's entertaining. Biz came to play. I made some nice shots. Wagner's a mute yappers, a Muppet, but he looked phenomenal. He actually had I had I had people texting me. I had people saying, Yapper, he looks like a supermodel.

So he's going to do phenomenal off of the coverage on the jewels from the sandbagger residuals, from the sandbagger I seen of the 70000 people have watched, it came out like twelve hours ago. So I'm excited.

Said somebody tweeted. Does he have the same spray tan guys? He looked Barones on the golf course he had the aviator's on. But no, that was that was a blast. The big thank you to Plymouth Country Club. We won't divulge who won. For those of you who haven't seen it, maybe we'll talk a little bit more next podcast. But I've been getting ripped off for putting with my glove on. I don't understand why they're on.

Listen, this is my thing. Putten with your glove on. You look like the biggest idiot out there. You are a complete fool. You look like an old or nothing new scumbag. But you've been making pots with Iran, so it's like the guy with terrible gear wearing hockey and he's nasty, like, who cares who just gets the job done? But yeah, when people look for the first time, see, you roll a pot with a glove on, they think pigeon, no doubt right off the hop.

So I have no feeling in that thumb anyway, because my glove goes on my. Remember when that guy stepped on my wrist and Wilkesboro, I went ass over teakettle, so I still haven't gotten the feeling back, at least my thumb area. So I'd say half my hand I big mezze.

So, I mean, I just this is going like how a glove would give you less of a feel, I would think.

But considering I have none, I just, I don't know, it'd been fucking with me. And then I started doing it with a glove on and I started putting it closer to the hole and in some cases actually making some fucking putts, as you saw in the next two sandbaggers that will be coming out. But getting back to the action, yeah, I didn't really say much, but he can hit a golf ball, that's for sure. He pounds it.

He hits it right on the screws. I mean, the funniest moment for me is when he absolutely flushes like an eight iron in on number nine and it's just dead.

It's just pin seeking and you're like, oh, chunked it. We're going to jump in it, Lance five feet and it turns out chunked it. Did you get a chance to watch it? All right.

I haven't yet. No, I was like I said early, my my mother's moving so I got a bunch of shit down her house that's been sitting here for years. So I got to move it to my place now. But I will say you boys look good to have outfitted. It is did a fantastic job.

Peter Miller, big shout out to them. They ended up sponsoring the whole thing. So thank you for the threads and of course, sponsoring the sandbagger Michy. I'm going to throw it over to you. But before so thank you to you. And Chase our new videographer who were able to coordinate. Clearly, the production was a lot better than the last few. We had multiple cameramen. We had a sound person on with us. We got some drone footage.

So Chase did a great job of editing that down. And as I said, Grenouille, for organizing the whole thing. Yes.

And thank you for that because I appreciate that. And speaking of Peter Miller, we are dropping a new golf belt, a Peter Miller golf belt this week. You want to talk about that real quick?

I just know Peter makes on real belt. So if you combine that with the Chikatilo logo, one of the best logos in the game, I think you're crazy.

If you if you put nice if you like playing a nice round and you're not a slob and you tuck your golf shirt in. Go buy this belt because you'll look phenomenal. What are we beautiful is all I wear. I pretty much golf. Weinzweig Peter Murlak coming up with the high tube socks, the white ones that I wore on the golf course in the sandbagger when I drain that. What was that, a twenty five footer for birdie. Yeah.

Logit Birdie and eagle. What a moment. Check it out. YouTube. Nice.

I think by the six or seven sandbagger I'll figure out all the rules for you with no chance.

We'll talk about this later. What that a little not Norman Rockwell behind you that I see. Yeah. This is you know, this this is going up somewhere. And this is for people who don't know. Norman Walker is a famous famous artist and one of his favorite paintings ever.

It's called The Rookie. And you could see some bright eyed, bushy tailed rookie walking into the locker room in spring training with the Boston Red Sox had terrible Ted. No, it's not terrible. It's terrible. Ted Lindsey, Ted Williams, the splendid splinter, one of the greatest hitters of all time. He's given them the all veteran. Look how the game used to be because, you know, so it's like a rookie. Sit down and shut up.

What are you saying? Hi to all of us for? This is the big leagues. Go take a seat, take off your shoes and socks and maybe you'll get a new pair of cleats. So this is going somewhere. This is how the game used to be. Respect for the vets, not like some rookie coming to the penguins and yelling, let's go wrecking ball. And he's twenty three big eared.

Fuck it, fast, fast feet snap on the puck. No rookies like that.

Back when Norman Rockwell did the rookie, it's going to say I love to see a 1970s like a version of that painting. We're like guys just hazing the shit out of some guys.

When they're just tagging someone together like that then well of course we are back to one episode a week.

So we do have two interviews coming a little bit later on today, except we have Arizona Coyotes general manager Bill Armstrong, our second ever active general manager. We're happy to bring that one to you. And we have the rank shrinks. And that's a plural, not just the rank shrink anymore. Brian Yandle and Mike Model both joined us in Charleston a couple weeks ago to discuss their new podcast and whatever else happened to come up.

Yeah, Martin and Ross handle that. That's been going great. They actually had Charlie Coyle just the other day. So I think that episode will be dropping today, same as ours. Thursday's Thursday, Thursday. So I had a blast talking to those guys. I think what they're doing is great. And go, Armstrong, go. We go a long way back. I mean, you've known him and he helped us in St. Louis. So I had a lot of fun talking to him.

He's very he's very specific in what he knows, like how he's going to get the job done. You know, he has a he has an idea in mind of how he's going to go about to make the coyotes a legit contender. And I don't think he's going to waver from it. So I think everyone will enjoy that interview and shout out to the Chicago boys, because our first GM, Stan Bowman, he was on with with chief, I think, yesterday.

I don't know when that's dropping, but he's got a probably a big bag full of tougher questions than we did. Right. I mean, we're covering the league chiefs had some legit grief's. He made a shirt with a guy's face as a clown on it. So I'm wondering how that interview went. Good for chief. That's a big get. And the Blackhawks certainly have some explaining to do.

How about how about Stan standing in there, though? I commend him as the general manager, where if you don't if he feels that some of the media, at least the more popular ones and vocal ones, you know, have some questions, he'll go out and sit down with them. So, yeah, we I mean, I wasn't going to grill the guy. Chief seems to have it very personally OK for him, just given the fact that he loves the Blackhawks.

So to that one, in interviews like that, it doesn't matter like what sport or anything, I, I can't watch them there. I get such shigella.

Yeah. When somebody is like grilling someone I remember, like the A-Rod like steroid thing or was it did he admit to it. I don't remember some interview an athlete just getting grilled. I just have to change a channel. It makes me feel so awkward. Probably good that I interview people for a living if I can't even watch one. Yeah. Yeah.

So I just spoke with Chief Guy's chief said it got very contentious at times, very awkward. I don't even know what that word means. Definitely keep an eye out for it. But he said he respects him a hell of a lot more contentious.

Contentious means that there is a moment, moments of tension. Yeah. So they're going to actually be a moment where maybe those two aren't seeing eye to eye and it's getting a little bit heated, both contentious and heated. I think the same thing.

OK, yeah, I would say so. And that is who actually does drop Thursday, the same day as this episode. And just to get folks up to speed in case they weren't familiar, reminiscing with the Rangers, that a couple of years ago the Blackhawks sent out a letter to their fans to acknowledge a rebuild. That's kind of coincidental. That happened after everything that's gone down. But I'll read some of it from the Blackhawks. We recently said goodbye to a pair of popular two time champions and acquired some new players via trade and free agency.

We understand it was tough to see those respected veterans go and realize you may have some questions about our direction. We'd like to address that direction and share why we're hopeful for the future of Blackhawks hockey and basically goes on to say we're committed to developing young players. We're already the youngest. As a younger players develop, we learn how to win, can consistency. I mean, I just thought it was a little bit of a word salad. Like if I was if I was a Blackhawks fan, I'd probably like, OK, why is this coming now after college?

Well, why didn't it come up before? And Stan Bowman sat down with the athletic as well. And he said to those guys that he did sit down with Dave's Keith Seabrooke and Cain and said, I try to explain to them that what we're doing now is no different than what we've been doing. The biggest changes that would be more open and transparent about it, I'm sure the players maybe probably had something to say about that, considering the kind of terrible things second hand.

So it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out with these guys going forward. Know what I mean?

It's going to it's going to be interesting as whenever hockey begins again, when they stink and then all of a sudden over time, you see like these great players, Kane, Keith and tapes, we can also all all still play at a crazy high levels.

I think that all, like Cain, hasn't slowed down a bit, maybe maybe tapes. And Keith had had a year or two where they weren't at their peak wall. They've kind of come right back. I don't know. Dave's was awesome this season. And Keith, the same way once he started getting more ice time, I don't think he liked going down twenty, twenty one minutes. He said that.

But when this team starts and those three guys are still at a high level and the team stinks and he's near the bottom of the league, that's when you'll wonder what's actually going to happen.

Because are they going to stand for that or are they going to say at some point, get me out of here? I mentioned it could happen at some point. I mean, it's not exactly like rocket science to think that at some point that these nasty three players are going to say, get me on a good team.

I want to think, well, I'm going to wither away my final years on some on an absolute trash bag team in front of six thousand fans. We said this last week.

Yeah. One of the things I think we didn't mention, but it was obvious is like, yeah, maybe they do stink and those guys do have three Stanley Cups and they are legends and they still do have a lot of guys left in the tank. But given with what's going on with the league and the flat cap, like, how many players do you think or how many teams excuse me, can make a trade for Jonathan Taizz, where they're going to pay him ten and a half?

Well, they wouldn't they wouldn't be that Chicago have to eat it, a lot of it.

So then it hurts them even more. So they're in a bit of a difficult situation. And I'm not saying and I've reiterated this a million times, they're worth every goddamn said that they got. But it also has put the team in a tad bit of a bind as far as, you know, bringing guys in and managing the salary cap.

So check out that interview with chief. And the drama in Chicago is still ongoing.

Yeah, like I said, I think meeting with the team business now is like kind of like going to the drugstore after you have twins, you know what I mean? It's like you already did everything. Now you meet with the team. I think the horse already got out of the barn. But but I did have a great coach.

What do you mean going to the drugstore after you had twins like that? I know I'm dating myself a euphemism on the drugs to get get Rob is like get contraceptives so you don't the pregnancy.

I actually love the reference. No, I didn't really get it off the hop either. I was like, what are you on the drugs. I like it. I like it. Thank you. I appreciate.

I thought you were I thought it was like a plan B joke or something. You're going even went back to plan A.. Yeah, OK. All right. We are going to get into that that Zoome call with with. Oh, you've been dying to talk about that before.

We got that from the reporter. Jeff, what's your name? Jeffrey Toobin.

I thought he was like an executive at Studios.

Milken himself and the whole company. Is this guy doing. Yeah.

So I've been here more parts of the back story of it. Apparently, he was on the other line with with a sex worker via teleconference as well. So I think maybe he thought when he was, like, not talking and muted that he could go crank off to this chick. And then when it was his turn to talk again that he could just hop back on. And I don't know, I guess I guess they were doing like, was it a mock election?

All right. I think it was like a mock argument.

Like we each play each press was playing a different role for, like Future the next segment.

And he put his thing down from what I read, put his thing down, because he was one thing watching his daughter that was born, he folded his laptop down, but apparently not enough. And yeah, everybody could see him. It's like, dude, like I don't know if he's how old the guy is, but he's got to be a baby boom because only like a boomer would like fucking do something, do something like this where. Go rub one out and the whole world can still see it because he didn't shuts up.

Right.

I'm of the pick my nose man run these Zoom's let alone rubbing one out in front of the whole your team. What. So is he, what does this guy do.

I think he's a contributing commenter at CNN. He's been with a bunch of different outfits over the years. I'm I'm not as up to speed with the story as business, but I guess people senior dribbling out on online is pretty much all you need when it comes to stories.

You're a sick puppy if you're cranky and went off during work hours in the midst of a Zoome call. I can understand. Listen, if you if your only duty was to show up for that June call and it was all over and maybe they had something else to. Talk about afterward and then they were still on your like, OK, so you guys have a good one. Great, great discussion. And then you think you leave the Xoom call and then you start going off.

That's a tough one in the midst of the Zoome call is a different story, that's just yeah. Could you could you forgive that a lot more wet if it was post postum call or at least I'm not.

The only way you can do this during a zom call is if it's a 24 hour Zoome call and you're like, I got to be on this Zoome call for one day straight. Maybe at some point I'll try to mix one in. But for the most part you, you would think if you're on a zoom call that everyone you work with on and then you decide to like take care of yourself right.

When it finishes restart the computer quick. Just get rid of you. I mean, sometimes for me to get rid of a page, I'm restart the whole computer.

I don't trust just like control queue. So I will say that this guy, if he doesn't get fired, it's kind of shocking, right? You think he's just going to get Sussie? Because I don't think cranking office is as bad as like some other things that you can do. But, yeah, he's right now he's on Soshi. I think he's got a ten gaymer or so in the middle of it.

If in the middle, like he said, like Teresa, you look good. It's there's a girl in the zone then he's getting fired, right.

Yeah. I mean. Oh yeah. I mean inspiration can come from anywhere at any time. And that may have been happened here. But again, it's just like come on dude, like what do you think. And now I know the New York Daily News had like a news opinion piece like basically like, oh, it's natural. We shouldn't we shouldn't all run from the M word. That's like no shit. Everybody plays themselves, but most people do.

Don't do it on a fucking workstream. Other people don't see it. I don't masturbation is not the issue here. It's fucking learning how to use your electron.

How do you account for how do you even look your co-workers in the eye after that one board meetings when things get back to normal, when you're just like it's your it's your time to step up and talk. And, you know, everyone in the room is just like in their head talking about how you cranked one off on a Zoome call that I gave you.

I gave your driver a sick wrist rocket at the sandbagger striped one down eleven.

So I feel bad for this guy. But yeah, you can't be cranking it off at work, folks. Live and learn. Yeah, that's a no go.

Not certainly not in that manner. Well, anyways, when we last checked in, there were still some names out in the free agent market that were available to any willing suitors. And I just mentioned I was down. My mother's helping her move and I found an old puck and I had been looking for it. And it was from this guy's rookie year. Twenty two years ago, he was a help on that night. I had him sign it.

Joe Thornton. Twenty two year old Puck, he goes to Toronto for one year, 700000 daily is going to wear number ninety seven, the first leaf to ever do so. Jason Spezza did offer his nineteen Joe decline bids. Let's go to you first. You have somewhat of a Toronto guy Joe didn't want to buy.

Expensive to watch a lot of people with all the money.

He's made a huge Leafs fan. Everyone knows that.

Yeah, I grew up a huge Doug Gilmore fan that was right in the area. You know, I felt their pain. And, you know, sometimes they had some star players and they couldn't surround them like Matt Sundeen. And right now they got they got a good team. And toughness is one of the things that they had to address. They did so. And this to me is similar to when they brought in Marleau to nurture these young guys, but a way less of a risk, 700000 one year Joe gets to go back home.

He was talking about it on sports that I believe is old Manziel e fan. You know me guys, I'm always is a pessimist or no optimist. An optimist. I'm an optimist. Leafs have not been able to get over the hump with this young core group. This is the perfect guy to come in. In a in one of the situations I feel that they need help is maybe to deflect the amount of negative media attention. And I think Joe is going to come in.

He's going to settle those guys down. He's going to be able to take a little bit of the brunt of that and also help these guys with situational things like in practice, letting them know, you know, where to be, where you know how how to act in certain situations. So I think this is a great signing. As far as gas left in the tank, I would imagine he's playing fourth line center, which is that probably where they got him slotted out, maybe get on one of the powerplay units here and there.

Yeah, yeah.

Second unit powerplays. So I think this is a huge addition for them and and no reason to look at it negatively.

This guy loves the game. He loves the boys. He does not want to stop playing. And he mentioned that he talked to Joe Montana. He's such a legend. He called a bunch of different people. You mentioned former teammates, Pawelski and stuff that he chatted with. But then a conversation with Joe Montana who talked about when he left for to become the quarterback of the Chiefs. Now, granted, I think that he was still number one QB in Joe's game.

Isn't that the elite number one center he's been in for twenty years? But this is a guy who just wants to be in the mix. And he said, I need to win a Stanley Cup. And he truly believes this this team can. That's the question you mentioned comparing it to Marlow and bringing him in at a way less of a risk for sure.

Money, money wise, it's not even close, but it's so different in a sense that their their personalities are like opposite, at least from what I've seen.

I mean, Joe thought and he's allowed he's a dominant. He's an Alpha Marleau, just get it done on the ice, very quiet off the ice, and I think he did a ton for Mana and Matthews, but Thornton is right over the life of the room and talk about we've we've we've interviewed Joe Thorne's teammates for years and they've all said he's he has no problem in calling somebody out. If you're not doing your job, if you're not doing what you're paid to be doing and what the team needs you to do to win games, he'll let you know the coach doesn't always have to do it.

If I'm Kyle Dubus, I'm also talking to Joe throughout the entire season and saying asking about different guys. I mean, this this guy has played for so long, he's going to be in the Hockey Hall of Fame first ballot. So why not get his opinion on maybe some certain players if if they're if if they're struggling first for a month long stretch, all of a sudden it Dubus and Shelden QIf is able to ask him and talk to him and kind of what he's seen here.

It's like not a player coach by any means, but he's as smart as any coach in the league. Is Hockey accused through the charts and he loves the game. So I love the signing.

I think that they've they've made a conscious effort to have a ton of speed and skill on the top two lines. And then they almost just physicality and grit on the bottom bottom, too.

I mean, they signed Simmons. He's not that fast anymore and neither is Thornton. But it's certainly a different look. Leafs team, which is all the fans wanted, they have more grit, they're tougher. And they have a guy now who's been around the league forever and is hungry to win as anyone else. And I would love to see Joe thought and win a Stanley Cup. It would be just as good, if not better, than watching Ovechkin finally get one.

So the Leafs kind of coming at us like Brandon Walsh described when the one team I think he played for them when they each line had a different form check so that they wouldn't know what the fuck to do. So that's kind of how the leaves are doing it. You mentioned, you know, calling guys out in the locker room. Speaking of that, he was he had to call his teammates from San Jose, which is a very difficult decision for him, of course, to leave there.

Talk to Brett Burns. I think he reached out to basically every guy on that roster and told them before it came out in the media. So that just kind of tells you to stand up guy that Joe is and of course, a difficult decision to leave. But if he wants a chance at the cup, you know, I think is best one is probably in Toronto given with where he could have gone.

And every guy understands, like there's not one guy who was, like, upset. They're going to miss not having him around, but they they get why he's doing it. Toronto is a way better chance to win the cup than San Jose. And that wasn't everything. But he still has that dream in mind. All right, boys, well, hey, listen, we're discussing lots of numbers, and here's one for you. Did you know that a train traveling at 55 miles an hour takes a mile or more to stop?

Well, it's true. And it's also true that by law, trains have the right of way on all railroad crossings. In twenty nineteen alone, one hundred and twenty six people were killed and six hundred and thirty five people were injured in collisions at railroad distance and from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, fifteen hundred and eighty nine drivers went around a lowered gate and was struck by a train accounted for 15 percent of all collisions. These deaths are largely preventable and are caused by risky driving behavior behaviours employed decision making.

While active warning devices do improve safety at railroad crossings, they do not prevent all collisions. Approximately 60 percent of all collisions at railroad crossings occur when act of warning devices are present and functioning. So when approaching a railroad crossing, slow down, look and listen for a train at the tracks, even if the lights on flashing or the barrier isn't coming down. If you see any indication that a train is coming, stop and wait for the train to pass.

Don't try to race the train. You know, it's true that there's no excuse, but there's you know, it's true.

It's no use that's worth risking your life for at a highway rail. Red Cross always stop and wait for the train to pass. This message is from our friends over at Nizza. I don't know who's crazier, the person who decides to go underneath the gate lowering that a train's coming or the guy throwing himself around the Zoome call, because if you are going to talk about trying to beat the train like you can't wait six minutes, are you shitting me?

Who who who gave us that?

And it's our friends at Nizza National Highway Transportation Safety Administration. Great administration right there.

I mean, imagine working for them and trying to explain to the people who are hit by a train, trying to outrun the train, do the things coming down to do, just stop.

Yeah, there's actually been an uptick in it. I don't know if it's impatient people more than there used to be a lot, but enough that they want some awareness. So if you're out there and there's a train going, man, pay attention to it. That's that's not something you can stop and that's not something that can stop on a dime either. So moving right along, we got a few other stations to go to forward. Evgeny de Don, how do you say how do you say with Antonoff gotten off?

I thought it was dad enough dad Nawfal. Anyways, he was unrestrictive in Florida. He went to Ottawa three years. Fifteen million dollars, five million dollar hit. He's the highest paid for it on the stands right now, at least until they expend x10 Brady Kaptchuk, at some point I got to tell you boys, I like what the sons are doing. I know we've had some fun at the expense of this organization, but on paper, what they did at the draft, I mean, things are looking up for this team right now.

No, it definitely I mean, you really couldn't get couldn't get any worse. But I think that there's there's now some things there in place where you can look you see the light at the end of the tunnel three years from now. Right. I mean, you see, like we talked about Shabat non-stop and Brady Kucuk, and there's younger guys there that just needed a little veteran presence. I don't think they're a playoff team, but I certainly don't think they're the same squad that was skating around this season.

This guy's had a bit of an odd career, but I talked to fans and he said he's sick. I think this is a great signing at five million. I think it was kind of just like, you know, the first wave of free agents had gone by. And to me, you know, based on where everything's at and what Yahn says about him and his production, I think the Ottawa senators got him at a bargain. And in year, you know, two or three of this deal, when this team starts getting a little bit better and some of these young guys start producing more and who knows, maybe even some of these draft picks they just drafted are in the lineup contributing.

Ottawa is on the move, boys. They've been the butt of the jokes, but we're going to stick the buffalo from now on until we see a change in Ottawa. You guys are good to good to. Good to go with Bobby Brown.

We were on the golf course when I read my phone, like in between rounds, I was like, oh, dad. And I've signed to Keith said he's like, oh, where would he get I said, five million a year. What? That's it kind of shows the market now. And also how good of a player he thinks he is. So skill level through the roof, you know, through the roof. What a saying. What a cliche.

Moving right along, defenceman Cody, S.C., he was in Toronto last season after spending his first six seasons with the senators while he went to Pittsburgh on a one year deal worth one and a quarter million dollars.

Is any input on that one?

What kind of hope goes and crushes it? Because he dealt with a lot. And in Toronto, I think he was pretty much the whipping boy all season long. And then even Dubus had to answer questions about him at the you know, after after the season about, you know, how poor he was defensively and how they overpaid him based on what he did. And then the analytics comment came in and then that didn't go over well. But, you know, kind of a similar situation to where, you know, a guy can maybe go somewhere, get a new look.

Now, the pressure is not going to be on him, that he's not making a significant amount of money. But, you know, I think for the most part, people were scratching their head after they just bought no Jack Johnson getting another guy who who had been struggling. But I don't think there's a lot of risk there. It's a one year deal. And I hope he goes there and he thrives.

He's a first round pick. I remember the one year he had 10 goals, I was like, wow, this guy's a player. And then things have certainly changed a little bit. I don't know what speed is the main issue, but, yeah, he was taking a beating. Toronto's not the city that you want to be, the guy that they pick on, even though they decided that it was Larry Murphy one year.

How that turned out?

I think I think that Pittsburgh you know, you saw Jack Johnson was there, that that's now over.

And and they've made a ton of different changes. They had Olimar out of there. It's like they need probably. A little quicker. I don't necessarily think she thinks he does that, but at the same time, he's going to go in there. He's played in the league a long time. And it's just another player that with a team like Pittsburgh is Japan. A couple of guys, tons of money. They need to have depth signings. They need to have guys make it under a million bucks.

Point playing a key role. All right, moving right along, right after we record last week with Brendan Galaga, he's out of Montreal six year thirty nine. Thirty nine million dollar extension comes up to six and a half million. Are you surprised that happened?

Right after we taped the what I was I actually I thought there's no way they're going to, like, not sign him. I feel like it would be shocking at some point. He wasn't on the Canadians, the exact player they need. But certainly to say that it was going to be an issue and that they had just given out money to a player, that that probably is a little younger and similar to to Gallagher for it to happen like ten, ten minutes after we hung up.

Yeah, I ate that one. I knew I would. I actually said to Mickey, wow, how much how how much quicker could I look like a fool than today.

It'll happen again. I actually cut it out of the podcast too though. If you guys talking about do so you guys look smart right now. Wow.

OK, thank you for your analysis. I thought no chance, but appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Thanks for the heads up.

And apparently like the double take or delete what I just said as well, guys, apparently the day before talks had broke off because they weren't anywhere close and there was a little bit of tension, but they ended up circling back. And obviously, Irvan knows the value that Gallagher brings. I mean, five on five, he's one of the most impressive players in the league. I think over the last little while he's like top five as far as as far as five on five productions concerned.

We know he's a heart and soul guy there. He's very well-liked by his teammates. You know, he's going to take his offseasons very seriously. His father trains him. He's going to keep in shape long into his career, I'd imagine. And to get six years at six and a half, I think that's a very fair value for what he brings to that lineup. And I couldn't be happier for the guy. He even said in that video that he released right after signees as he kind of pictured himself and any other jersey.

And now there's a strong chance he does finish his career in Montreal.

Yeah, it seemed like once those trade rumors came out, things got down to the nitty gritty and they ended up selling them quickly.

In Montreal, also extended goalie Jake Allen with the two year, five point seventy five million dollar deal, comes out to two eight seventy five million a year per hit. He's going to be making four point thirty five this upcoming season bizzle. That bunch is going to almost fifteen million dollars tied up in two goalies with just this season. And of course, Kaden Premo, he's the assumed heir apparent to price. So you get to look down the line a little.

Jake Allen is probably the perfect candidate for expansion exposure when it does roll around. He's still only thirty years old.

I don't know how much weed I'd smoked when I read this. I thought he got over five million a year. So I was trying to make sense of this for for about 90 minutes. I texted Elliott Freeman.

I'm like, oh, my five million. I like this is like what I'm like. It doesn't make any sense. Does this have to do with the expansion draft? And then I come to find out that they extended them for five point was a five point seventy five over two.

Yeah. And I think he was just being nice and he's just like he probably flashback to when we were with him at Starbucks like 8:00 in the morning on York Street, we like off from this joint. You say I'm all good guys. Yeah.

So so we might have officially been we'd be done being asked to be on SportsNet for any type of draft or they want us on the thoughts part.

No, now we're we're good. Even the best knockoff because that's what they want us back.

You brought up the point of of the protection for the upcoming expansion draft and the fact that they have premo in the pipeline. So this is probably a move in order to secure that they can't pick him up. Yeah, you would think, yeah, exactly. You can protect the price and premo and make Alan available. I think it's premo young enough though. You don't have to waste a protection on him. You know what? I'm not if they're selling their entry level draft, if they're selling their entry level contract, usually you can't take them for the expansion.

And I just don't know where that'll be by the time next year rolls around. But if that is not the case, you've got to remember, Jake, Alan is a very solid goaltender. He's he's kind of been on that one. B, is that a fair statement in St. Louis? I know he was at one point the starter, but they kept switching off and on and they were having goaltending issues. But this is a perfect backup plan for the Canadians.

And if you're not wanting to burn out carry price, at least in the regular season portion of the season when we don't know what's going to be going on with with how the scheduling is and how many back to backs and how condensed the schedule will be, you know, I like them locking them up for a little bit. I think he's got a lot of game left. I think he's being paid extremely handsomely for this season. But to have him for two more years at that avy, it's it's a good number.

Also, you said when the when the league starts back up, it reminded me, have we talked about the report that the NHL wants to have a game at Lake Louise?

We have not discussed that that is the sickest if they can, it's mystery, Alaska, they bizarre. I'm Steve Weeks and you're the guy, Schanke. Martin, I think, honestly, it would be the sickest moment of the NHL like past few years to see a game outdoors on the most beautiful lake in the world. Yeah, I said that I love Lake Louise. Oh, no. So no fans.

Obviously, they're not going to be able. I don't know. Yeah. So it would just be just be televised. I think it would be unbelievable.

Yeah, I would say it's very much in the preliminary stage, almost like, you know, like, hey, let's throw this out there, because if you can't sell tickets to it, well then again, who knows what they'll be able to do. But yeah, it'll be fantastic idea. I'll believe it when it happens though.

That's kind of my skepticism at this stage, I guess. What's up, G?

The NHL is also doing the reverse retro jerseys, apparently. What do you guys think of that? What does that mean? Like they're like the penguins released.

There's the flyers, early stairs. They're doing like throwback retro jerseys for next season.

But they reversed the colors. So the colors that used to go are pretty funky. Man. I like them, but, you know.

Oh, you can sell as long as the Bruins. Isn't the scared bear taking a shit fucking pull beer? Yeah, that's the worst.

What are the good ones? What was the penguins is awesome. I like going back to the red, black and and white one, that they lost the cup finals and those were sick.

I mean, they were terrible then, but like now I think they're sick, if that makes any sense. I think I lost the pamphlet I had.

So you have to cover an expansion team now because I'm not going to lie. I'm not up to date on the expansion rules. And yet, Kaiden Premo, he still got two years left on his entry level deal. So pretty much fucking nullifies what I just said. But I'm not up to speed on this.

I'm just curious how how they be able to pull that off with, like, the boards to make them solid enough for you. Like you drill them down into the ice. The ice is that thick at Lake Louise.

It's got to be. That's a good point, though, in that sense. Me, this is a bunch of me out there and just nobody can even move the glass.

Hey, they'll they'll set up the boards that we had our at our part hockey tournament, same quality ice to maybe we could even get chief chief in the game.

You said Oblates.

The overunder on chief falls with the bar stool sportsbook is seventy three and a half and he's getting three shifts.

The little mini nets I right.

We also had a bunch of restricted free agents who stayed put, didn't get off a sheet. It looks like guys who are happy where they were, they wanted to stay there. The Rangers, they signed an important pair of Rafa's defenseman Tony D'Angelo, two years, nine point six mil goalie Alexander Georgiev, two years, four point eight five mil bills and shot to their fire. No, I mean, before the season started, and you could probably chime in more on this is you know, I especially given the numbers that D'Angelo put up in the regular season, I thought he was going to get probably a longer ticket.

But, you know, clearly they just wanted to sign him to to that bridge deal. I don't know if that makes him easier to move. I know they there has been rumors that they are trying to move him. But, you know, I think he's a very solid player, a great puck moving defenseman. But you know what? What was your what do you think? They just couldn't land on a number as far as going long term?

I don't know if it was that they couldn't land on a number and agree how big of a deal he'd get. I'm sure he probably wanted like a seven year deal. Right. But it also could be maybe let's give him two more years, see if he for sure fits in here. I know. I know guys love him playing with them. I also think he's a little bit of a lunatic at times on the ice.

So I don't know whether he's barking at his coach or he's yelling at a referee. The guy is nothing short of a fucking game or dude like he's competing is Dick off every night. But I think there's times when he might. Kind of toe that line on the wrong side, wires cross, the wires crossed, and he's not listening to anyone. This is this is from watching him play and seeing how dynamite he can be offensively. And he just plays tons of minutes, but maybe they're not sure if they want him to a seven year deal yet and see if he can kind of repeat how sick he was this year again.

But still, he I mean, he deserves to be making big money and he's running the power play and they also that team is the Rangers are nasty, the foxes there, too. They're not sure what they're going have to pay him and maybe they want him longer. There's just different decisions to be made. So I think they're probably excited.

Two more years at not a crazy number right now for sure, because you can't I can't see his numbers going going down with the guys will be snapping the puck, too, on the powerplay in the lineup they have moving forward.

That's a nice price for Georgiev, too, and she's stuck and he still hasn't signed yet. So either way, they're going to have two nice goalies for a pretty nice price. In New York, however, it shakes out buyers in your neck of the woods. Christian Fisher, he raped two years, two million dollar, one million dollar hit.

Christian Fisher, Christian Fisher, big body, bottom six forward. You know, hopefully you can find his offensive touch at the NHL level, much like you found at the AFL level. And that's a great value for the Arizona Coyotes. Right, moving right along side, Grayslake in Boston took the words right out of my mouth, once again, defensive Mattie. He was restricted here in Boston, signed a four year, thirteen point seventy five dollars million deal, comes out to a three point six eight seventy five million dollar Kapit.

I think obviously with no crook in town any more, he's going to soak up some of those minutes. He's going to see significantly more time on the power play with the second unit or not, no doubt.

I think the Bruins fans are ecstatic seeing this contract because he has been so good since he got their skates so well. Is he able to break the puck out with such ease? And a lot of times it's just him carrying it out. So I think when the Bruins didn't resign, Krook, I don't think they plan on like being as great offensively for the sole reason. I think Droog shot's just a different level. I mean, this could could for sure improve that shot and he can turn into a real weapon.

He's awesome at getting the puck. He doesn't necessarily have the speed on certain one timers that crew could bring. But the way he sees the ice, I had the chance of skating with him when he was at B, we played four years there. He actually cheater's DCL, I think, his sophomore year. So that was a scary time. But you've seen what he's come back to become and how easily he skates and how good he is with the puck and how smart of a player he is playing undersized, playing defense.

I just love that. I love that. I'm so happy for him. Anyone who knows him knows one of the nicest, most genuine people you'll ever meet. He's always been the leader on every team he's been on, just like one of those kids, those like a pro when he was 16 years old. National team, also Ann Arbor. Thank you. Now, they're not even in Ann Arbor.

So I'm very happy for him, Buga, that that hopefully if he continues to improve at the level he has and how the Bruins probably see it, he could be making even more money at the end of this four years because he's got a lot of great hockey left, not just the big guy, Charlestown guy as well.

Great kid from a great family.

Charlotte, could you tell me, as his dad does, the ice at the Boston Gardens? Yeah. Yeah, he's been part of the ice crew for shit. Forty to fifty years, I think, over there. Mr. Sigrid's he's a great guy, great kid, great family.

Also true when he was a youngster, he said he's been like a pro since he was 16, when he was coached by Big Jim Veazey when they were kids. And this team like him, Brendan, you like little Jimmy, all these like future professionals, like basically they coached these guys like they were pros when they were like six, eight years old. Shit.

That probably Islander's they were loaded. Their team was the Fitzgeralds played on it. They were fucking loaded growing up.

You had like Paloma's guys like this to learn how to be pros from pros at a very young age. Yeah. Learning is the first thing they did was boot the parents out, like beat it.

And I can see later no one's going to mouth off to Big Jim Veazey, that's for sure.

Yeah. You don't need to drink shrinks around there. Well, another local lad, but on a different coast, I restricted free agent Adam Godet, Upwood Vancouver one year 950000, which we had about this. When I put his name in the text, it got auto corrected the hairdryer, Adam Godet, the hair dryer. I don't even know why, because I don't think you have to take a shot.

What a shot at Adam.

Got that right there it is calling on my hair because Brock best of that might be a compliment.

OK, well, one thing about Adam got out, boys, a good year this year. Unbelievable streamer or he's a big twitch streamer plays Call of Duty all the time.

You tweet with him all the time. He is unbelievable at video games.

He's one of those guys who's just so fucking good. So he could end his NHL career tomorrow and he could be a fucking twitch stream.

I don't know if he's making a million playing video games, do twitch streamers pulling a lot nowadays. So how many of them you think make a million, not as many as NHL guys, but still he could still make a living.

Now, stick with the puck.

A couple more assignments here before we move on to some other big news. No. One, Patrick, he was restricted in Philly, signed a one year deal worth eight hundred seventy four thousand. And Ilya McEvoy's restricted up in Toronto. He signed a two year deal worth three point two nine million. He had eight goals and fifteen assists in thirty nine games played last year. And yeah, No.

One, Patrick, because it's a crazy story right now because, you know, three years ago he's picked his pick second overall. And, you know, you see right away his rookie year had some big, big games.

He had plays when you could see the the reason why he's taken so high and like what he could what he could actually do with the pocket, how big he was. And then what's happened with injuries since is scary. And, you know, you see Haskin and McCahon, Patterson went after him, these unreal players. So it's probably hard for him to see his peers doing so well. And guys are talking about way bigger contracts. And he's stuck right now with an issue.

And when you talk about head and migraines and concussions, it's just it's scary stuff. So I think that all of us are wishing him the best, because when you have a talent like that, who's going through something the way he is this young, this young in his career and life, I mean, you have to think of him and and send well wishes because that's that's a tough time right now for I'm sure. And I think that if you can kind of at least try to.

Like, if you try to think of being him, how hard would it be to remain positive? And that's like all he can do. So if they get him going through that and it's good he did get that contract to try to figure everything out.

Well said. Well said. And there was one other sign on to Andrew Mangay upon his return to Calgary, two years, four point eighty five million comes out to two point forty two and a half million per year. So he'll he'll be staying put there.

But a player, too. He was the one having contract issues at the beginning of last season. I thought he was he thought he was being undervalued. And then after the season, he had you know, I think he finally got to the number that he deserves. He's solid fucking player. No doubt he won't be going anywhere. I'm sure Calgary fans are happy for that. But the big news this week when the game is losing another huge name after 47 years of calling hockey games, Mike Emerick is hanging up his mike.

He's done more than thirty seven hundred and fifty pro and Olympic Games. 74 year old guy didn't look a day over 60 called twenty two Stanley Cup finals. Forty five game sevens. I mean, he's been the the voice of hockey here in the States for basically this whole century went. No, I mean when you think of hockey in America you'd think of no calling it.

No doubt he I remember the first time I ever met him was my rookie year. We were in town to play the Devils. And at that time, how long did he when did he stop doing the devils off? Full time. All right. You know what year that was? I'm not sure.

He stopped full time. He did them for close to twenty years, all together doing both.

True. Yeah, no, but I think he wasn't doing every game anymore. But but either way, I get the chance to meet him. He was so friendly and nice and I was having a pretty good a pretty good season. Ah. Start to my career and came over and said Oh you played it. B you asked me some questions about myself, totally not even hockey related. And I already knew who he was. I mean everyone kind of knew who Doc Emmerich was.

And so the chance to get to meet him and truly how friendly he was and that's all the stories you hear is what makes him so special is like he treated every single person with respect in class. It didn't matter who you were, what you did. He could be talking to Mario Lemieux. We could be talking to the guy that's helping him pack his bags into the car, leaving the hotel.

It was like he was just such a friendly person and always had time, time for a chat. And there's so many people who wanted to talk to him. He had so many stories. I was reading the article at all Chuck did for NHL dot com, just about how much he's going to miss him and that he called them and said, hey, you got a couple of seconds to talk. And Enzo said he knew right away because he's getting up there in years.

And I think he talked about just enjoying retirement and enjoying his life now without traveling as much as he did and having to prepare as much as he did. And that's what they said. They he he actually talked about a lot of guys are talking about how he he made it easier for a lot of announcers to pronounce guys names around the league. And there were certain ways that he'd write down their names so you could sound it out easier, along with just a notebook of never ending stories, notes and all of that and all of the office things.

Still the ability to call a game and like, bring you out of your seat. I always was so excited, like as a two on one was forming his his voice would just get like, more excited, more excited as the play developed.

And at the end he just his patented Scott doc just screaming and everyone going nuts. So I always loved him. And what's what's crazy is like in a in the world of play by play like everyone hates every play by play guy. Right. It's like Joe Buck sucks. Everyone rips on everyone. No one really disliked. I'm sure there were people out there who weren't big fans, but he's never received like the type of hate that other announcers have kind of gotten from, you know, a percentage of viewers, whether it's football, national basketball, things like that.

So the type of guy was the job he did. The league will miss him.

The whole sport, the sport. Well, I can't agree more. You know, a lot of positivity his way. And somebody ended up tweeting something out about his interactions at pregame skates. And I guess the word grateful comes up because he would always say, can you believe they let us in here for free? So, you know, he approached every game as if it was his last. Every big moment. You think of all these outdoor games that he's called.

You hit it on the head. He's been the voice of hockey in the United States, much like the likes of Bob Cole was in Canada. And he's going to go down as a hall of Famer and a legend. And we're really looking forward to getting on the show to get into some of those notes and crazy stories that he has in that notepad with. I think that he was just worn down, right? He's done about four hundred interviews since he retired the other day, so we'll give him a little time and we'll get him.

Who did we do that with? Somebody else.

We did that with somebody else retired or was doing them all. The emergency goalie for that beat the Leafs, did him, David? Yes, we did him later on. He went through he went through the gauntlet of the media. We let it all cool down. We tried to get him on on a chilly day.

Yeah. And I mean, he basically said he was in the game for 50 years. He thought he was a nice round number. I mean, like I said, seventy four years old. The guy looks like he could easily be in his 70s. He just had the perfect way, like with said, of matching his emotion to what was at stake, what you were watching, whether he was a November game, a playoff game. He was just a master at it.

And I don't know if Doc enjoys a nice cold one, but he's certainly earned a few. And speaking a nice ones is like those.

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A man in charge change changing the coyotes because I'm an analytics guy. I just needed Bill Armstrong to explain me a little bit about analytics. Now I'm full on the train.

Without further ado, General Manager Bill Armstrong. It's a pleasure to welcome my next guest to the show after a nine season pro career where you want to call the cop who went behind the bench as an assistant in a head coach before eventually making his way to the blues front office during his decade in St. Louis.

He served as director of amateur scouting and assistant general manager. And of course, you want a Stanley Cup in twenty nineteen.

Well, his stay in the Midwest ended in September when the Arizona Coyotes hired him to be the new general manager. So thanks for joining us on Spin Check. Bill Armstrong.

Thank you very much for having me, guys. It's a pleasure. You guys are well known in my family from two different avenues. My son goes to be you. He plays at BYU. So he's absolutely petrified that I'm on the show because not many guys actually get to go on screen. And on the other end, my daughter goes to Queen's University and she wanted me to hit you guys up with a sponsorship package for Pink Whitney because at my house drinks more than any on campus.

And I said, I'm a dad. I can't do that.

I was going to say, as long as dad swiping his credit card buy a box of Britney, I think we're going to be good. We're going to get along just fine.

I think I think children are our best recruiters. Everyone who comes in and says, oh, my kids want one of us to come on, they seem to be great recruiters. First off, congratulations. Go to about our school.

Children are our best recruiters. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. That's a good way to start the show off.

Yeah. Yeah. So congrats on the gig, by the way.

And I want to say, first off, you know, between the new ownership, the effects of the pandemic, the lease issues, the draft, the team and the captains of feel kind of like jumping on a rollercoaster midstream right now for you.

Yeah, it was it was a hectic three weeks, I think, for me to get my head around it. I kind of knew what I was going into. There was obviously some some surprises. I had a few Nettie's in the office. But for the most part, because of my knowledge with players and background of them, I was able to kind of, you know, sidestep a few things and and be able to get the job done and put together.

Our team were pretty much finished building it through free agency. So that part was pretty smooth. And I was able to hire a couple of guys, took care of the draft. So it took us a little while to get going. But once we did, we were able to put some good people in the good places.

I was actually curious how nerve racking is it going into a meeting, trying to become the general manager? Like, how long do you have to prepare for that? How long are you in the room? And and just how nervous were you in general?

Yeah, I always say, like, I'm a little bit better when I'm mad. You know, it's like when you're fighting somebody and you're mad just a little bit tougher. You know, Florida gave me a great opportunity to go in there. I was pretty upset, I think, at the fact that I didn't get that job. So when I came into the interview with Arizona, I wasn't nervous. I was I was prepared. I went back to back home after I didn't get the job in Florida.

And I locked myself in my my office for for two weeks and wrote out completely exactly what I would do. And halfway through that, Arizona called me. So I started writing and doing research. So when I landed here, I kind of knew exactly what I was getting into and where I was going, what I wanted to get accomplished. So when I went into those meetings for interviews, I was I was thrown. I was I was prepared.

Oh, looks like your playing career. Yeah.

How many times have you interviewed to become a GM? Was it was for the first time or had you done a prior.

Yeah, I know Florida is the first time. You know, it's, you know, it's something you always dream about then. Yeah. You know, you get going through the process and you know, it's your first time through. I think you're a little bit maybe naive to the fact, you know, the second time when I was mad and I was a little bit more prepared for it, I think I was a little more thorough. I think I was a little bit more planned and calculated, which helped me when I walked.

Walk through the door here.

When you say Thukral, are you talking that you're writing down how you would approach kind of rebuilding that team or changing that team like it's not best, basically, like your thought process on any NHL team. You're specifically looking at the Panthers with that interview in the Coyotes with Arizona.

Yeah, there's a lot of planning because it's pretty complex. Like you got to think about five years out where your team's going to look like and and how do you get them to look what like like you want them to look like in the identity. How how can you pull that off? And this was a really interesting situation because they had lost their draft picks. So you're walking into a situation for the next two years that you don't have a first round pick.

And that's that's something that's, you know, probably a little disheartening. But at the same point, there's no excuses. I knew what I was getting into. I built the staff accordingly and basically said to them before they before they we departed just now. It's like we got to find one guy for waivers. We got a steal a trade. We've got to get a guy from the American League that can play. We won college free agent. We've got to find a way to put players next year in here.

So there's no excuses. I knew what I was getting into and that's how I formulated the plan, was to basically hire the best hockey people I could find and put them in the right situations.

I remember when I was playing in Pittsburgh, Craig, Patrick, Jeff. Add me and then he was the guy there, and then Ray Sharrow took over, and as a player you start thinking like, oh, you know, this guy, he isn't the guy who drafted me. And you kind of wonder you basically every guy has to go prove himself again. Did you reach out to some core members of the team, give them a call like introduce yourself or are you just waiting till the season?

Like, how's that going to go?

I am. I didn't have a chance because I had to build the scouting staff for the draft and we had to build free agents. And there's so many things going on to try and keep your coaches in line with, you know, the players that you're bringing in. Are the coaches on board, because if they're not, they're not going to play them. So there's a whole bunch of things going on behind the scenes. You know, even your press conference, you do.

You got there's all these things that are going on. So my thought process was the next two weeks I'll reach out to the players. They need to know expectations of what what as an organization, we expect them to walk through the door. And and that's huge for me. I think any time that I've really had success in life, I've usually had expectations in front of me. There's been no gray areas.

This is probably Sheikhan and as butoh there, you might guess the fucking radio collar guy is already guaranteed a new culture on the radio while he's already sport spoken. We're in St. Louis. We're talking about that. Before the interview started, we both went there on a PTO and. And now you're deferring to Doug.

You know, I wanted to keep you I had a four year plan for you. I thought, OK, we can rebuild, Barry. I'm going.

I absolutely want. And Doug said, not a chance he's got.

I really I really soldiered on, getting body slammed the year before, bereave all through the house, et cetera. But what most guys got body slammed by rebel, you know.

Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

He got my four year plan, though. Just going back to that press conference, one of the things you mentioned is you're going to be using a type of hybrid between, you know, just like the old school mentality of testing and also analytics for a guy who's been very stubborn on analytics, still doesn't really somewhat understand them, is how are they used throughout an organization and how much weight do they have at the table for, let's say, a guy in your position?

Well, I'm kind of like you. You know, we're not like when you went to be you in those fancy schools, you know, so I would like.

Yeah, like my son. Yeah. But, you know, the analytics, you know, it was interesting because I heard so much about them and I wanted to get into them when they first came out, you know, and then I got my chance at understanding them and and really it's to me it's analytics are just, you know, it's like goals and it's just you can understand it. It's no different. It's just another column. And there's a lot of things that that are in analytics that don't make any sense and they don't have any value.

You have to know what to measure. But I think there's a good formula when you use analytics to ask questions like I'll give you an example. You write your midterm meetings and you get your analytical people in there and your scouts are all lined up. And you formulated this list from one to one hundred about about the players. And you're an analytical guy. So, no, this guy's not right. This guy's in the wrong or it asks a question to the scouts.

Now, they go back into the area and they look through the analytical eyes to see if there's any truth to it. The analytics are really good at asking questions. And if you use them in that way, they're really effective. But there's so many different sources of information about background research. You do see the trainers and the billets and all that stuff. That's you have to have that along with the analytics, along with the eye test and and then meeting the player and all those little things.

It all comes in, plays into factor. And I and I believe when you just use the analytics, you get vanilla. That's what you get. You get a vanilla team because they don't see there's more in hockey. It's the dressing room, it's the character. It's the one guy rubbing on the next guy in an irritating way that forces that guy to be better. I mean, there's stuff that analytics just they can't predict.

I think baseball for baseball makes so much more sense. You can go all the analytics you really can. I mean, you can talk about locker rooms, but it's one on one. It's different. Hockey is such a different game in a sense that like players heart and players attitude and locker room awareness just matters so much know it's a moving game.

It's just it's a different animal. But I do think that there's some interesting stuff coming in that you guys will be talking about the speed factor when they when they can really measure the speed factor, accuracy, you know, the sprints in the speed, the entire speed of the team. I think it's going to add a different element to hockey. You know, even when they record, you know, the release of the slapshot or the snapshot, all of that stuff, it's going to add more interest in the game.

It's going to give you more understanding of the game. So I'm all for it. I love that.

So we were ahead of the curve on our New Amsterdam commercial jet with our with our radar shot there, shot for our shot.

Yeah, I haven't seen that one yet, guys. Yeah, it's on every fucking and every day going, oh, I was just going to hop in there. Just you're known as a very good talent evaluator and going back to analytics. Can you carry the same weight, as you just mentioned, like based on Junior in college or is it kind of a bit of a lost shuffle at that point? And is it even valued less at those levels coming and considering who you're going to draft?

Well, it's getting to the point where, as a let's say, as a school, you're in an area like, say, you cover the Quebec leg and you went to one game. The analytics will slide across your phone and it'll tell you how much puck possession time, what effect he had on the game, you know, all the different things. So instead of just going to the scoreboard and say, no, he had to assists, you can really have a better understanding of how the player played in that game.

And it's it's just advanced statistics. But it's anybody can read them. They're not hard. It's getting people to buy into reading this. So in the junior, yes. It's it's becoming a factor in ask questions. It's it gives you, I think, a better way to be more accurate in the draft. So I think every team will be using them.

You know, to some degree, Bill, if you had to put a percentage on it, how much should in analytics factor in personnel decisions or does it depend a lot on the player?

Yeah, that's a good question. When you're doing a comparison of let's say, hey, who this free agent we want to add, you know, hey, what do you want? You want somebody to get a hundred bucks. So you put it up on the screen. Hey, do you want someone that's good when face offs or if you're third or fourth line these days in the NHL, are you going to be able to kill, penalty, kill?

So how good are you at how many shots you block? It's all good information. And then you go back to your scout and say, does this match the eye test? You know, then you go back to your scout. Does he have characters? Will he fit in our locker room? There's you're using it, as you know. But I, I don't know if there's a percentage, but you want to get a good feeling and you want to make sure you're right on your decision making.

And hopefully it shows up that that the analytics agree with you.

So before and Biz mentioned, you are known for being able to evaluate talent at a high level. And now as a GM, you really need to trust your director of scouting and amateur scouting because you can't go to every tournament. You can't be it all these things you were at before. So how does it like you basically have to really trust someone and then also know I'm not going be able to have my eyes on these guys as much as I was before?

Yeah. And and you don't want an overbearing GM. That's you know, she's a player once and says all this. This is our guy like, you know, it's you just know, enough to be dangerous as a GM and you can make a lot of mistakes. What you want is, is you want hockey people that are grinding it out. And and luckily for the coyotes, we were able to find two of the best that were sitting there, Darrell Plan.

Dyleski, who built the Tampa Bay lighting and the Stanley Cup team, has joined us. He's going to be our new head scout and then arrange and Koski is also going to join us. So we have two elite guys that are are basically driving the world together as a tag team looking for a player. So right away, those are the two first guys that we added into our organization. It was a huge find for us.

I know you already touched on it. The all recommend Larsen situation. That was one of the sticky ones you found yourself in as soon as you coming in. And it seemed like a case of where if we're not going to get a solid return for this guy, this is not just an asset. You get a give away.

Yeah, I mean, he's he plays twenty three minutes tonight. He's our captain. I mean, he's he's a great player. So I kind of inherited that situation. I think my first text was not congratulations. It was dramatic. Hey, can we talk like like not even. Hey, are you sure they like hey, are you getting a nice house, you know, did you get a good deal? It's like, hey, we need to talk.

And he didn't put his name down there. And I'm like, who, who is this like you know. So anyways, I mean, yeah, that's how I got welcomed into the business. But, you know, I had one conversation with OSL and we had a good conversation and he said, let this die down and let it play out. I'll reach back out to you and we'll go from there and try to form a relationship on, you know, kind of a maybe a new a new little platform for us where this is all kind of behind us.

Now, he had that imposed deadline to free agency, but that was on him.

I mean, if hypothetically he wanted to remove that deadline and open things back up, he could do that if he wanted to because of the no move clause, correct?

Yeah. That's like when your kids are you know, you say you got three seconds to put that back.

You know, I never works for me. Never work. I fuck. That's funny.

I want to go back to St. Louis for a sec. You had great success there. And you know, your work will impact the team for years. Going forward is a tough to sever those ties and not have any rooting interest in guys that you brought into a different organization.

It is not a great experience there. I was surrounded by you know, you think of St. Louis as right in the Midwest and it's so many great people that I had a fortune to work with from Larry Robinson and McGuinness to Keith A.R.T. brother, you know, to good GMs, GMs, Larry and Dave Taylor around me, and then Doug Armstrong, who I consider the best GM in hockey right now surrounding me. So I was a spoiled person to kind of grow up in that environment.

And just being in this, we used to have meetings like with the group there. And I mean, you got to bring your A game when you show up for that meeting. There's a lot of hockey. You can have an off day, you know, got you got to bring it. And I love that fact of our argument. Say. Arguments, but, you know, the conversation at hand, there's tremendous hockey knowledge in that room that was that was one of the greatest points.

But you fall in love with your players like David Braun and the Robert Thomases and, you know, the Jordan Boddingtons of the world. You know, they're all part of, you know, when I get into the business and we started drafting those guys and they're they're like family, too, because of the simple fact that, you know, they were able to produce a championship. And they're the only team in the history of St. Louis Blues to do it.

So they're they're special people.

Peron was a good example. You guys brought them back like 10 times during your tenure there.

Yeah, I love I mean, David's probably my favorite contract goes up there, too. But, you know, David is a special person because that's kind of how I got into the business, really, because I got challenged at the table and we're going to draft him. And they were just saying, are you sure you know that? Now, McGinnis came down, John Davidson came down, normal, calculating, thinking. Are you sure you know that this round and round and I'm like, I had seen him.

I was really into scouting at that time. And I said, I'm twenty, twenty seven times in one year. And I was so sure of it and I just stuck to my guns and that and we picked him. He turned out to be a heck of a player. Wow. That's how I kind of got moved up the ladder in St. Louis. But David's an incredible person because how hard he works at his game and there's players that age that don't age well, he ages well.

He's got more competitive. His skills get better, skating's got better. And he's a tremendous competitor. So, you know, he's he's he's probably my favorite that my favorite experience of drafting a player. And he's he's a good kid.

And you mentioned Peracha. Well, actually, even before I get into that, what you said just reminded me. I talked to a buddy of mine in scouting and it takes a lot of balls to stick to your guns. And in a situation like that, like it must be because you have to be confident what you believe. And you've got all these people. It's like I really have to trust myself in my thought process. Excuse me, but you mentioned Perico.

How does he end up going in the third round? Was he smaller? Was the undersized? I know he played in Alaska and it was like kind of a random. But to go in the third round, you see the guy play now. It's like, how did that even happen?

Yeah, he's he's a tremendous kid. You know, he's we had a kind of a little bit of a lead on him. And then Marshall Davidson and Danny Geneology and our scouts there did an unbelievable job at kind of going to games that were far away. We felt like he was a steal, so we never showed up. We went to the farthest places away, you know what I mean? To see him. And and then I went in in the last game, I think of the season he was playing in Edmonton.

And I got off the plane playing those four forehead scouts. And I never went to the game to the second period like a baseball cap on. I didn't even watch him. I just want to see who was in the stands. And I saw Toronto. There's Toronto. Minnesota was there and they didn't pick up after us in the third round. So I was like, OK. And the guys in Marshall Davidson's credit, he was all over me, like he was all over me.

And that made you take him. And I got to give him a lot of respect for that. He was pounding the table for that. But yeah, we didn't take him to the third. And I and after we had drafted him, we kind of had the success. I said Marshall Davidson attacks on me. Yeah, you are right. We should have taken him a lot earlier. Yeah, well, that that kind of gets into another question I had in which and how do you.

So you slaughtered him third round, like that's what you basically decided. So there's just no chance. Like, I always wonder when people trade draft picks because they know their guy, I'll still be there. Like, what makes you think he won't be there in the fourth round? You can get another guy. How does that work?

Well, you you really target at the teams that go into the games to watch them a lot. You're always looking over, hey, Ella's here or New York's here. And, you know, you go to the last game down the stretch and there's there's three scouts. So they're, you know, hey, listen, they get up to two third picks or whatever. You're like, hey, they're going to try and take them here. So you kind of get a feel after you've done it for a number of years, you know, teams will step right up in front of you like they know they know that you're hot on that player.

So like a science, it is a science. I think that was one of my strong points of doing the list of knowing where where the teams were to get. And then we'd interview guys, you know, and say, hey, like, who likes you the most? You know, you got to find out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's there's a little bit of a game that that you play. I mean, that's what the thing about scouting, it never gets old.

It's a different player you're trying to figure out in a different area and most times are different rinks that you're going to it.

It's it's a great job in that aspect to grow players like Stevi girls them. I've never been in the room. I've learned not to do that. You know, I think one time, you know, Doug Armstrong, obviously him and I have a great relationship, but he's somebody that, you know, he was a big part of me, you know, getting better at the business. And one thing he said to me after I had said something to someone, he said, hey, that guy's never going to sign here as a free agent.

You know, they're always going to remember how you treated him. And I always remembered that in the in the meetings. And I always would like make sure that, like, just kind of set the question up like it's my job. I've got to ask this tough question. I know you got caught in some bad place with on video doing this. I got to ask this question, you know, and and I think you find a good science at.

Presenting to them in a respectful way, I do think that there are teams that go hard at him and I think it works. It works, I guess almost opposite because the player ends up hating that team.

Are you a GM who will occasionally seek out input from veterans on the team to maybe get a better idea of what the team might need? Or is that something that you just stay away from?

No, absolutely. Do they have input? I'm always about people coming in, you know, and having input that you have to get them to get ownership of the team. That's their thing. This is their team, too. It's it's as much as it's I have input on on this being a little bit of my team. It's also their team. So they're the ones that have to have to get in there and take ownership of the dressing room and the culture.

So a lot of the stuff that we'll be talking about is stuff that they want to impose. You know, it's all about them. It's about their leadership. That's what's going to get them. Do you think about St. Louis and the leadership they had with the Ryan O'Reilly's and the Peter Angelos of the world? I mean, just great leaders. And you need that in your dressing room.

It's the only way you win in order to be successful as a GM now given with, like, you know, salary cap. There's an expansion draft coming. There's so many different areas that get the focus on how many hours a week are we talking here as far as what it takes? And is that something that you had to learn from Doug Armstrong as essentially you don't really have much of a social life, a big he's like twenty hours a week.

That's things easy. This is a goal.

I do it all well. Oliver traded down. I wasn't shut my phone off. Yeah.

So I try to get up really early in the morning here with my wife and go for a nice walk. Right. Because, you know, if you get up early, early. So I went down for a coffee and I saw the guys there all huddled around their computers, the staff. And I got into the meeting and I promised her I'd go for a walk. Even I was like ten minutes. And then I looked around the corner and she was gone and I was like, chugging after.

It's like there's no time, you know, like you if you she she she just had had enough of how much, you know, you're on the phone. So you definitely have to pay attention that there is a balance with all the stuff. I mean, the biggest thing nowadays, there's a lot of specialists that surround you, whether it's Cap Guy, Seeb guys, everybody is a draft guy. They're all specialists in what they do. So you're basically taking their knowledge using the what I call Hokie sense and putting it into your team.

But everybody mostly that surrounds you are pretty much specialists. So it is consuming, but you do have to rely on a lot of people's expertise.

I mentioned the call the cup in your introduction. You actually did the Reg Dunlop thing. Yep. The play a coach. Then when Peter LaViolette was the coach, how did that all play out way back in Providence?

Well, I finished up my last year. I was captain in the American League. I actually drove down ninety five and I was crying. I was about to go sell cars for my my my father in law. And I came up with this scientific plan that my paycheck didn't run out till I think it was September 1st. So I said, I'm not going to work in another business until this happened. So a newspaper reporter called me and said, I you.

That's good. We come to a head job. I was I love you. We're good friends. He hasn't called me. I know. So I left a voicemail and I said, Peter. Terms of here, I said, I'm your new assistant coach, and I hung up and then he called me back like two weeks later and he's like, that's that works perfect, man. Sounds good. But is it one technical difficulty is we don't have, like, technical money for you to be an assistant coach.

So you have to be like player assistant coach Mike. OK, so I went up to Boston and and I went as a coach and I had to run practice. Never been to the board before my first time ever explaining, OK, you go over here like a simple horseshoe drill. It was terrible. It was the most frightening thing I've ever done. I actually if you think about it, I never really explained it to Ray Bourque. I was actually explaining the drill to myself when I was a ward, you know.

Yeah. But anyways, a good story about that year was, you know, I said to Peter, I said, I'm done skating practice. I just it's it's over for me. Goes, Yeah, don't worry about it. Just put the coaches stuff on. So it was a huge relief rally. Like I didn't have to go in and skate anymore and I could really do what I wanted to do at that time, which was eat and, you know, and so I remember going to Worcester and he ran this great meeting.

Peter runs great meetings. There were like five, ten minutes. He gets in there and gets everybody excited and then we fly out. And in Worcester at the time, had the greatest buffet you've ever seen in the world. Scouts actually like Ace Bailey.

If he was scouting Springfield, he would stop in Worcester, even though I don't know, I actually is that used to actually eat twice. I went through it. It was so good. I went back again and I got back to the coaches room and it was like I swallowed like like that big snake. It's like a cow. You know, when I get back to the coaches room and he says, I need and bad news for my OK, what's what's the good news?

He goes, well, the trainers are able to go back and get your equipment and equipment and like, what's the bad news you wish you going to play tonight and like play? I haven't skated backwards in twenty nine days. I go I garden. So so I missed the warm up and and then I go into the game was frightening. So I had this guy Matteus Demander. I said, hey listen, don't pass me the puck like you cannot pass me the puck.

And he's like no problem. So I just picked back in the day you could pick and hold and that's what I did. But I played so well in the first that I actually benched the first and second rounder in the second gave myself more ice and and like I controlled everything from the back side. So I kept just playing myself till I ran out of juice. And I remember going into the scrum and this kid, I think his name was Matt Smith, came in there and I jackhammered him in the head.

And then the refs came in. And in the Kidlington, he goes, Aren't you the coach?

You know? So anyways, I benched myself in the third, but the best part of the story is just this fan wrote a nasty letter about my play in and Peter LaViolette read it in front of the front of the group. And he had it. And that was my last time that I ever played played hockey professionally. But it was a frightening experience to miss warm up, not skating twenty nine days and then have to go in and play. It was absolutely frightening.

The first and second rounder centered and yeah.

The whole, the whole fucking game to get your get your minutes and you some other career achievements as a player. You want a memorial cup with the Ozil generals in nineteen ninety.

Yeah. Yeah. That's going way back. But it was interesting going through that people go to Yale, they go to the Marines. That was kind of my awakening to become a man. You know what I was playing for that team. We had great people. Lindros, Freddy Brathwaite, Brent Greeves is on that team and there's a lot of great human beings on that team. And that was kind of my moment where I kind of grew up. Coach said to me, hey, I don't want to fight, but somebody's got to fight.

So you're the guy, you know. So that's, you know, and he put a lot of pressure on me. The coaches, Rick, Ronak at the time, great coach. And he pretty much gave it to me every time and forced me to play hard. And we went on to win a World Cup. And to me, it's when I even when I scouter, I build teams from conducting with the stuff with the coyotes. That team stays in the back of my mind just about the people that played their roles, the type of people you need to win a championship.

I'm wondering, Eric Lindros, you know, you've heard so much about them, but like at that time was it is under age. Yeah, that's when it was like this guy is the next Wayne Gretzky or the next great player in the NHL. Must have been just a freak show to see a six year old dominate like that.

We used to we used to coach used to make a stretch, but we actually wrestled and I was the heavyweight champion. Right. And so Ian Frazer, our captain, was revving up. Lindros He's like, I think you can take him. And I think this guy's kind of timely and I think you can take him. So I didn't really take him serious. He body slammed me like he was sixteen. I was pretty much twenty years old. He picked me up off the ground by some as a ho ho ho ho ho ho.

So but his work ethic was incredible, like back in the day. I mean, he made us go as a team. If you didn't show up in practice, you know, he'd run, he'd Abuja. He really made our team go. And even at six, he was just a man and a great competitor. A great person, and he's somebody that made our team go. You've got the game one attacking the Memorial Cup to know, yeah, that was yeah, it wasn't.

Don't be shy. I raised all the YouTube so I can tell it the way I think it happened. My mind member, the Bobbio, where he rubbed it up twice behind the net. And then that was pretty much what it looked like. Nice, if you can envision that. Yeah, that game you also there was it all due to I think you killed a whole penalty, just you held on to the block like awarded it.

Was that that one that's now that you say that. I think you're right. Yeah.

You're unbelievable. I should. So Bill, your head coach in an assist in the NHL in the East Coast for a little bit before over the front office, did you just get sick of coaching and realized you want to build a team more than coach a team? I did get sick of coaching.

I look at coaching like it was it was going to law school. You know, I went there to, you know, did my time, understood it. But that's not that's not what I love to do. But I think it gives me an advantage when I sit in this in the chair that I'm in now for the simple fact that I can go into the coach's room and talk and understand what they're going through. I think that's a big plus for me.

And after that, I know it's like, you know, researching for the interview, you kind of fold up shop with the coach in 04, then you came back with the blues in 2010 where you just kind of in the minor leagues USA sort of building your resume in those intervening years, yarmulke.

And who's the GM in Columbus? He actually hired me at the blues as a part time guy. So I was still into running hockey camps and back in the day, actually, right when they actually came in the lockout one year, I think I was more pool or something. And and I was running all the camps in that. But that kind of helped me a little bit. You wonder at times when you're going through these things and you're you're building three on three leagues for kids wondering, like, what the heck am I doing?

You know, and and but it's all organization. It's all managing people. It's all getting people excited about doing their job better. And if you can do it at that level, it's even easier when you're in the NHL. But it's kind of all you connect the dots and, you know, I had to do those things to kind of be where I am right now. But I spent a lot of time in the youth rinks teaching and coaching.

And my son going through is probably some of the greatest moments in my life in hockey, just him yelling at me at the bench telling me I was a bad coach.

Where did your son play? Like a minor hockey before you and everything. Where were you guys that mostly were a little the H.F. he jumped, you know, he was unstable and ended up at Hendrika and then up to Avon and then he decided to play in every league in North America. He went up to the Penticton, to the USA twice back to Boston, you know. So, yeah, I've got enough to write a book on him about youth hockey.

But yeah, it was a great experience as a dad, you know, him playing and it being part. I mean, I couldn't really appreciate that being part of what you can really understand the importance of that. It's the best.

But I didn't I didn't play hockey till I was twenty.

I wanted to do when I was 16, when I was becoming a man. Kind of like Lindros.

Yeah. You have a lot of similarities there. Yeah. Yeah. I think I just want to ask you about the cup win and just like getting that group together and just, you know, all that hard work behind the seeds finally paying off, especially for for you guys behind the scenes where there are some times you guys, you know, switch some personnel around and you guys are criticized heavily for it.

Yeah, well, I knew we went out in the summer and got Ryan O'Reilly and got Bozak. And, you know, it looks like we were to take off.

And the next thing you know, we're at the world and we're at last place where we're picking the first overall. And it's just there was a frightening experience. But our group was so good. I think that's what made them they just got to the point where they're like, OK, we're going to win now. And they just took off and they couldn't be beat. But we had to go through a lot of changes to to get to that point.

And Biddington came in the net. He just wouldn't give it up. So it was a it's a remarkable year to kind of go through. The scariest part was game seven. Obvious to you. You get there and you walk in the rink and you're like, I could never be I might never be back here. I can walk in here and be a champion or a chump, you know? And, you know, it's just a frightening experience.

You have no control. You absolutely have no control over it. So it's it was a remarkable season. It happened so quick. It's just like, boom, you know, it was on us, but the team was just resilient. And you got to give credit to the leadership and everybody that stepped in to play. And Coach Parubiy was amazing to. What did you do with your day with the cup, anything special? We had the NHL called me at seven forty one the night before and we had two massive parties playing one of my hometown and one downtown Toronto and said, sorry about this, but you're not getting the cup.

And I was like, OK, so get back in Russia.

So so anyways, they call me all in the middle of the night, all the way in the morning. And finally they tracked it down and they got it to us for three thirty. And we went to my hometown, had a big celebration. I got to be there for the day. And it was just, you know, it's it's I'm not a big trophy guy, but that thing is incredible. I mean, just it's like having your funeral almost because people you haven't seen since grade two, they all come out, your teachers and your coaches.

It's just like everybody's on board with it. And it's just an amazing day. But I think the funnest part for us was we had like one of those old Greyhound buses converted and is big, like a disco in there. And it was just amazing to have all your family and friends on that that bus. Well, I got nothing else here. Thank you so much for stopping by, this has been great. Very excited for you to be Kairys GM and lead us to the Promised Land so I can dunk on these boys every single pod.

Moving forward, I'm looking forward to working with you, and I really am.

So if you need any advice, just let me know.

I'll be in the backup radio room getting people bagels and coffee and nursing a hangover. Thanks so much, Bill. I'm really, really happy for you.

Getting a chance, finally. Well deserved. And I appreciate all the stuff you've done, especially helping business. I that year we did not make in the squad, but we thank you. Yeah, that's great.

Well, listen, thank you for having me on and not asking me any tough questions to get me fired. That's awesome, guys.

And everyone will that for round two right after I think about it. Thanks so much. Thank you. Take care.

Well, big thanks to Bill Armstrong for join us, because another guy who can beat the absolute chiaradia by the way, have you seen the burger van lately? Holy shit, he is Jack City right now.

He it I think he's always been pretty cut up. So I don't know I don't know when the last pictures of him to come out were, but like he's looking extra diesel diesel right now. I never used those words.

I mean, I didn't know how to respond.

Yeah, you made fun of yourself before, like anyone could say anything, I was Punch Diesel is going to be cranking it off on the Zoome call like Toubon for fucks to the to hold on if you have images. All right.

Scott Berger Vann's biceps synchronises got Krugel new St. Louis Quad's.

Speaking of Jack, Jack plays the Kraken. They announced, they added. Gary Roberts is sports science and performance consultant. He will ensure the crack and training center in team infrastructure will have the proper equipment and systems in place for a team release. I think people listen to Gary Roberts say it's a great signing.

Everyone is going to be on the regime. Everyone's going to train like McDavid. And who else is he got? Stamkos. So look out the crankin or the Krank make a huge signing there can with the Seattle team.

I'm calling them the Krank.

And from now on, I'm my friends.

I can just talk. Emerich should have been around to announce a crankin cup. The Seattle Cubans are Tobins.

What the fuck that guy's name is shit. Oh, we didn't.

Gary Roberts will be perfect. I mean, I doubt he's moving out there. I don't I shouldn't say that I didn't read anywhere that he wasn't.

But I think he's got that's something where he adds on to what is his gym and like, the way he makes a living at home. He adds on and just joined Seattle because he's able to give so much in terms of what he's done with his career and how to stay healthy off the ice.

Yeah, I think the key where there's consultant, so he's probably not going to find in Toronto, he can fly in every once in a while. I'll check in.

All right, boys, we did see we had two interviews. We do have the rink drinks, plural. We're going to bring them on a second. First, we do want to let you know that this interview is brought to you by CrossCountry Moggach, America's crazy good mortgage company, who make it easier to get the financing you need fast go to second lens and be ready to learn more about your future home buying or refinancing experience and MLS three zero two nine equal housing opportunity.

But wait, if you talk to Yandle, since they drop the rent shrinks plural. Yet how's the podcast life been for him?

He likes it. He said it's, it's, it's a blast. It's a lot of these guys they've chatted with so far, they enjoy talking about how they they began playing hockey and what, what type of like leadership they had, whether it was from coaches or other teammates in terms of what helped get them to the highest level. So I think everyone will really enjoy it. I think if you got kids in the car, that's what kind of O'Brien's talking about.

You know, something you can listen to with your son.

I think at times this might get a little not for like eleven year olds where the rink shrinks are only going to be out there teaching you what it takes to become a better player and a better teammate because they'll get better coach both those guys and a better parent. Mike Modlin, Brian Yandle, salt of the Earth type people. They're called foxhole buddies because, you know, if you're stuck in a foxhole, you're out of them with you.

They'll help you bury the bodies, that's for sure. But not other podcasts because it's PG.

I without further ado here, the rank shrinks. What a pleasure it is to be joined by two spit Chiclets veterans, Mike Morell and Brian Yandle, two legends, good friends of mine.

And interestingly enough, before we get into what these guys are doing now, Mott's played in the NHL for quite a while because he came in and said, did you play hockey?

It's very interesting. And then hit the brakes on that. I said, did you play in the NHL is my bad. But to my defense, listen, first of all, you're a type of guy.

You knew everybody's curve on what tape they use.

And like, I just was I was a bit of a fucking space cadet, so no offense.

And you weren't on the part when Max came on? That's correct. It was that long ago and Mott's came on we a time I think we ended up having a nice dinner that night. It was a great day. Yeah. We took it pretty deep.

And I think it's safe to say a lot of guys in New Jersey had very similar builds and kind of looked exactly the same, like Lou was making them a fucking factory. We listed off like five guys who kind of were like the same height, same build and have, you know, not that same kind of chin on. Yeah. Kind of like Jason Verla or Justin Verlander a little bit.

Or I'll take that. He's with Kate Upton. Rocket launcher. He's a handsome devil. Yeah, he is. But he's taking selfies in the mirror.

His shirt off now on your tires. So, you know, but so everyone knows Priyanto is the rank shrink. And actually Mike model is a shrink shrink himself.

They've joined forces on all places you can get podcast. New England Hockey Journal presents the rink shrink. So these two guys have a podcast here to talk about that. And they're also here to just kind of shoot the shit as we as we tend to do. How are you guys, man?

Everything's great. How did this happen? How did this all come about?

It was like Alan, when it was like first there was, you know, first there was one, Wolf, and now there's two. You know what I mean?

We just loaded up. You know, Wolf, it wasn't.

It wasn't. It was. It wasn't. You know, we couldn't just have one ring shrink. We knew chance we needed to do was, you know.

So how many episodes so far? We got two episodes down, getting another one next week, so I just kind of popping the cherry, I guess. Yeah, exactly.

So what are you getting into? You're getting into emails similar to what we did and stuff, Brian, like just answering questions, maybe not in a in a different way that we do it.

You're a little more official. Yeah.

I mean, you guys are pretty official, like a referee with a whistle. But the I mean, you guys obviously have what you have here, an unbelievable podcast and a great following and everything. And we're trying to be more educational towards the hockey parent and also the player, something that maybe you can turn on in the car as you go into the game on Saturday morning with your kids and, you know, try to, you know, tell some different stories.

Obviously, you can get some good interviews like you guys do, but also, you know, really try to dive into like what guys were doing when they were younger. And did they play multiple sports? Did they play, you know, hockey year round with, you know, when did they start getting good? Will they the stud when they were 10, 11 years old or did they develop when they were 14, 15, 16 years old? You know what I mean?

So all those type of things trying to keep it pretty PG 13. But, you know, we're having a lot of fun as moms.

And I, you know, no wife swap stories like on the other side. Yeah. We're going to hold the lives of hours ago. That was probably one of the best rink shrink stories that you were told in this part, Mort. So, like, what would be a story that you would bring to the podcast? Or you guys going to do a very similar thing in the fact that you get these crazy stories and you bring them up? Yeah.

So, I mean, Bryar has a couple from the parent side of things, but I really like it goes back to the education of, you know, hey, what to do and what not to do, kind of checklist for for parents and players. You know, it's it's an educational thing. You know, we have we have some kids that we kind of keep it between the lines. And my son started to listen to, you know, he listens to you guys all the time.

So it's it's pretty good. But, you know, get get some gas.

But my stories are pretty vanilla now, you know, former Hobey Baker, where people who don't know and I think Mott's you there's got to be listeners who who who didn't hear the first time. When was that? When we first came on. Had to be three years ago.

It feels like probably three years ago.

You know, they'll look it up if it was in Iraq. I mean, they're all sitting on stools now and in in this beautiful spot and town.

You know, I would imagine Buddy had good etiquette as a hockey player. Did you like I mean, growing up, did you have a father who, you know, had good etiquette and knew what the fuck to do and didn't make you look silly? Yeah. So he didn't play hockey. And my mother's from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Scotia. So she said that I can play hockey because I'm half Canadian.

So so it was her idea to even get you into it. Well, yeah.

Your brother I don't even know my brother, who's five years old. Rob had been playing. So I just like any other younger brother. You want to hop on the ice. But my dad was great. He just he never applied any pressure or he would show up when he could after work. And there was never that awkward car ride home. So we you know, I was just a great environment to kind of just play and have fun.

And so not having a father who didn't play, like, where would you where would you learn more about it? Would you be consuming it by watching? And did you hang around maybe with another buddy on the team whose father did? That's a great you know, my my older brother was five years old. He was a really good player. So I watched him really closely. And then I would watch every Bruins game, and that's what I told the kids.

Now, they're not really being students of the game. They're just watching the highlights and the cool, cool shit that, you know, is super high and skill. But how do you get the puck out on the wall consistently? How do you you know, like, you know, the little things?

Yeah. And that's from watching. You can learn that stuff. So even watching your teammates, like I learned a lot while I was playing, you know, so you just try to pick up and, you know, like you're saying, like he was very observant of certain things and kind of follow players and like Rainman, you know, a little bit and picked up on some.

I am a little on the spectrum. Maybe that's all right.

But we grew up, you know, with Fred Kuzak and Derrick Sanderson, at least us announcing the Bruins game. And you watch like we were taught by our fathers.

And, you know, obviously I can speak for Ryan and myself that, you know, our fathers kind of talk to us through the game and saw the plays develop and all that type of stuff.

And now, I mean, fortunately for us, it's you know, you're sitting around having pancakes in the morning and you can throw in the NHL network. And it's unbelievable to be able to watch, but you don't actually watch the entire game. And that's kind of part of what we're trying to get to here, you know what I mean? And teach these kids, you know, and also educate parents and coaches about, you know, it's not just about, you know, the highlight real goal, not just a total drag.

And what makes the play? What how did that play develop? You know what I mean? Obviously, yeah. Was a goal. But what you know, what were the five plays leading up to it before it?

You know, I think that it's interesting to go through that, because when you hear somebody like Monts and there's so many players out there who made it to the highest level in the world without parents or even siblings, you had a brother that never played.

And that always kind of amazed me because my father, who learned a lot from Buddy Buddy Pretty, my buddy Yandle, who was a great player and he knew so much. My dad was a fan, but he still taught me so much about.

The game, so I'm always interested to hear when a parent's able to at least be hands off enough to be like, I'll let somebody else try to do this, because there's so many parents out there who don't know the game, never played and still think they're experts. It's like, dude, what do you know about this? You know, but they just want to be involved. And I think the best parents who never played, if their son or daughter is in a sport, whether talking or anything else that they know nothing about, just kind of sit back, hope they have fun.

I think that's probably what you guys are.

Again, there's so many different things out there right now that, you know, kids are being basically told, like, if you're not skating year round, if you're not going to these tournaments in the summer, if you don't make this team, if you don't make that team, if you're not on elite team versus playing for your regular town, you know, you're not going to make it. And it's not true. You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of different variables, obviously, that that go into it.

And a lot of it might just be, you know, shit luck and, you know, some of it's genetics and things like that. But it you know, there's a lot of different avenues. And our second guest was a kid, Ryan, Ryan Shay, who just graduated from Northeastern. And, you know, he went the Catholic school route in Boston here, which a lot of kids like with myself, we played I played in both both prep and in Catholic school.

But Ryan played in the Catholic Conference, which a lot of people were basically frowned upon. You got to go somewhere else. You got to go somewhere else. You got to go. And, you know, his explanation was, you know, I talked to my coaches. My coaches said, like, when it's time for me to move on and go to the USA, Jeil, you know, they're going to let me go. But at this point, I'm going to play, you know, in all situations I'm going to get as much ice time as possible.

And, you know, that's what you want. Right. And that was, you know, his freshman, sophomore junior year. And then he ended up going to the USA, Jeil, and now just signed a contract with the Dallas Star and four years in college and four years in college.

So in your opinion, were the games going? Lot of skill development. Now it's a lot of hands stuff. Do you think it's excessive? Do you think that the kids aren't learning enough about the intangibles early on? Because there has been the other argument is like try to develop their skills as much as possible and that other little stuff is maybe a little easier to teach later on.

Yeah, so that's a great point, because the game from the top down is like super skilled super fast.

But those guys are so elite with that stuff they can get away with not thinking the game. Not everyone is that gifted physically. Right. So that's a good explanation.

So we just try to you know, we try to like tell them that there's better there's more ways than one to be a good hockey player. Right. So if you can, I think someone for me, I was in the biggest, strongest, fastest guy. So I had to process the game quickly and, you know, anticipate and that gave me that extra step or whatever. But, you know, Bri and I are on the same page with, you know, kind of just bringing down certain things and allowing the kids to try to become better hockey players in other ways and just going around Hakone until Dragon and flip it up, knocking it down in one of the things just to add to it is all these kids.

Now, if you go to a practice like this, if you went to a youth hockey practice, I think you'd be blown away and even wet because you're not there either an area yourself, but you'd be blown away with the skating ability and the skills that these kids have. But one of the things that you don't see a lot of in one of the things like there's there's not a lot of guys teaching like hockey IQ, there's not the skill. You look at a guy like Ryan O'Reilly.

Right. Like, is he the fastest skater in the league?

Is he the best? Does he have the best shot or does he have the best know? His brain is what his brain is, what makes him and the guys the consummate winner last year, you know what I mean? Like, it's guys you know, there's a lot of people that that they look sexy out there. But when it comes time to play the game, they can.

And as the game gets faster and more skilled, you see like, oh, well, that's all I need to do, like you said.

So it is interesting to see that you have so many coaches that love, you know, basically helping kids become better players, but they're just they're not getting the right things across.

So I love knowing that you guys coach and what's you coach you coach your daughter. Oh, yeah. The girls are way more coachable.

Oh, yeah, they listen. And like a couple of years ago I did the Duxbury High, the high school Delux Berry. We live in Duplex Duxbury Mouthwash.

Yeah, I think we're on the other side of it.

So six o'clock in the morning all the girls are all ready to go. They come out on the ice, they dump the pucks out and they just skate around and no one touches a pocket like what's going on here.

Like everyone was like sharks with minnows around when we got on the ice. Unbelievable. But yeah. So it's pretty cool to have a different perspective. I'm coaching my son as well, which, you know, to your point, just trying to get them to start thinking the game. It's a blend between using your head and the skill work that they do. You get mad at them. Oh, yeah.

Just a once in a while. Right. What the fuck are you doing?

Oh, I just tell them I'm like, I don't really care if you're the best player, but I mean, I just need you to listen and focus on on being a leader and doing the drill correctly when I draw it up, because if you are the one fucking it up, I look real bad.

I'm doing my job. Okay, well, have you guys go ahead. Well, I was just going to say with the women's hockey and trying to get it going professionally now that you have a daughter and one that plays, is that something that you're. Going to try to get behind in order to create a league where they're able to sustain salaries and these women are able to do it professionally, where they're being compensated for their time.

Well, I think that game is a great product. And, you know, I don't know really the ins and outs. I heard a few rumblings, but, you know, that they want to partner up. And I you know, I just for right now, I just think that there's such a like a a growth and a boom with youth hockey for the girls. And it's just going to continue to grow because there's a market for it and it'll play itself out, I think.

I think so, too, because it's so popular right now, because back in the day, there was just one girl that I played against and she ended up being on the 98 Olympic team, but she had to play with the boys all the way through now. So you're basically optimistic by the time, you know, your daughters of that age are probably be a sustainable professional set up where they're, you know, they're being compensated more because that seems to be the issue that keeps coming up.

Yeah, I would think your daddy might remember when he ran over his girlfriend, when she was still playing with the boys.

That's what happened there, Ty. Oh, boy, boy. Is that I was like, yeah. Oh, Joy. Integrase interview. His girlfriend was like, good at hockey. She's out skating. And she had the pocket come across the middle.

You ran out over and say, hey, pick that up. You want to come on the tracks?

And the train is coming through Scott Stevens immensely through the shoulder.

But they were like legitimately dating at the time. It was Paulina Korea. He got them.

What do you got? All right. I want to talk to him about the actual podcast then. I mean, it's brand new to you guys. What's been the biggest challenge so far for where you first be?

I would say that the hardest thing is I mean, obviously coming up with content, right?

Walking down, you guys know how it is trying to get interviews with guys and stuff like that. So trying to make sure the guys are coming through and and then, you know, just just making sure like like for us it's it's and I so we're kind of the ones stare on the bus here, you know what I mean?

So it's a it's definitely not easy and there's a lot of eyes and you know, and, you know, and and that type of stuff that fortunately because it's it's not on the radio. Right. I can kind of get pot, get cut out of it, which is nice. Yeah.

So Eric Seamans at the New England Hockey Journal is doing a good job of kind of putting us in a good spot, you know, with the platform and everything. So, you know, we get in there, we have our bullet points to kind of hit on. And then, you know, like I said, we're on the same page when we go back and forth about certain topics and then have the the guest in. And, you know, fortunately, we've known the guys pretty closely.

So it's a pretty comfortable situation so far.

So what have you thought about the playoffs so far? I mean, who who's your squad?

This is this is now with Dallas up. No, Dallas has moved on and Tampa is up three to Motss all over Vegas.

I was kind of a shocker. I did all the money. I was like the.

Yeah, that guy Anaheim getting rid of that guy's crazy looking at it now, you know, you could just shovel your shit over to him and watch him dance like that's you know, that's why they might have a partner.

How do you think you would have handled the bubble?

Mott's, uh, you know, I you know, I can find my my fun anyway. Right. But I think bonding with the guys, I was I was an intangible guy because as well. So, yeah. You know, male stripper dances organize a good master's pool, you mean. Well, like before the game started, you come out with your jockstrap on, get the boys laughing and giggling loosened up. You were that guy. Yeah.

So I would be more like if someone was in a slump, I'd really keen on them, you know, I had a whole routine. Get them going.

Yeah. So let's hear the what would you let's say let's say besides a score and fucking through seasons and I really feel like I just realistic. Yeah.

Come out of the curtain, around the pole, around the pole signature move and I climb up on the right you know, maybe back straddle. Yeah. But back my ass and you expect tips maybe at the bar, you know, like free round here and there.

But the floor routine if necessary gets heels clicking. Yeah exactly.

So you know it's more of a slump buster, you know. Yeah.

You probably got the biggest beef curtains through the heels. Clacking Tribal tattoo tramp's. Yeah.

Slightly more of like he's an Avon guy at heart. Oh yeah. I was just more of a I don't know, I would call myself Daniel Boone, like a real pioneer with bringing the bush back.

Hello. Oh God. You look so good.

Do you ever get the Mangena going? Well, I got a good one. He's you know, when you tuck it in when you get in for the boys, would you would you give them. Oh yeah. Yeah. That would be a Barnes of the bulldog, you know, all the all the staples.

OK, so you were doing this well in New Jersey. What if you would have been doing this when Lou walked in the room?

Got a good little story, I just I he's got to go with it, you got it. I think he appreciates when people come on and tell stories about them. Oh, I might have to, you know, keep that one for you.

What is this about this, like, fear that he's put into place? Oh, I just respect him. And what he gave me my opportunity was he doing the Mangena saw you.

He was kind of the guy that gave me my opportunity after I was in the minors for six years. And also, like, I just.

You don't want to I wasn't asking you to tell me where he buried the bodies and shit. I was just saying, let's bury the body times that catch you late for curfew. I'm making you sign the sick at the front door. Yeah, that's you know, I was always good like that. But we we did have those one story there we were going around was pretty serious.

We're leading into the playoffs and, you know, everyone had to come back with you know, we got pumped by my Pittsburgh. It was like seven three. And anyway, we had a day off, I had to come back with two things we could do well going into the playoffs.

And then, you know, I was the last one to go and, you know, everyone was like on edge. And I was just like, you know, I was playing a bunch of situations, blah, blah, blah, like hockey stuff. And I go, hey, and I'll let any middleweight know that I'm tied down and, you know, not to be fucking around run around on air. And it was just dead silent. Lu like everyone's like looking at me instead of stars dying.

Laughing I figure I will let you throw your pillows. Let's go get a lot of bags. Thanks. Thanks for taking care of business.

We always joke around with the looting. We have, you know the utmost respect for him. You know, we don't take hockey maybe as seriously as he does, but describe what the environment that he puts in place in New Jersey. He's like, at least from your perspective when you spend time there. Well, I think, you know, and it goes to any organization. I was kind of a suitcase, so I was able to see what worked and what didn't work in different organizations.

And it's the accountability. Right. So it started with Lou and it just goes right through the organization, you know, so he helped guys accountable. There are no gray areas. So the New Year doing the right thing or the wrong thing, you know, so when you left, guys left it up to players to kind of decide on what was right and wrong. There was a lot of gray area in the, you know, results kind of proved itself, you know, on the ice and, you know, its sustainability.

So with Boston was the accountability came from the room, you know, and that's like probably the most the healthiest.

But Lou definitely had his finger on the pulse.

You know, some people might call it micromanaging our attention to detail, but it was definitely everyone was on the same page.

Do you think that that wears on certain players? It's kind of like Bill Belichick in the Patriots way, right? It's he's got the finger on the pulse, as you said, so much to where maybe it's a little stuffy. It's like, holy shit, he's coming down. He's coming down. I think they they used to pull up the LS everyone used to put that on their forehead. When Lou is coming down, he's comedies. His comments like that.

Yeah that's.

Yeah. I mean it's you know, once you from the outside looking in it looks like it might be kind of a task to be there. But when you're in it and everyone's kind of, you know, you still had, you know, some knuckleheads in there and doing their thing. But ultimately, the main goal is to win and not a lot of surprises either, which is probably nice.

Exactly. Yeah. No one's going off the deep end. No, I said maybe Cam Jansen. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Calling them up or no Disney text Lou one time. Yeah.

Texas, I think the number is. But but now seeing how strict he is, I feel like he's got a soft spot for the knuckleheads. No. And he keeps them around.

He'll always have a tough guy on his team if not to. Yeah. He's a very you know, let's just say generous person at his core. Right. And he's helped out so many players, you know, from, you know, my buddy Collin White. He has unbelievable stories about how Lou has helped him along. And, you know, you know, the good times and the bad times, but kind of believed like believability and like even when you're just kind of on the fringe.

That's why I like I respect him a lot. I was that's why he say not bad for a great night.

No, he every time he opened his jacket on or was it not bad for grade nine?

Nobody who I think he has done with school that who are the guys that were were popping off on your New Jersey like who were the muscle prissy?

Zach was kind of coming into his own there, and he was the constant bertoia was obviously the IRS races should be in the Hall of Fame.

I could I looked at his numbers.

I mean, it's no joke. I don't know if Hall of Fame, but he was sick, so. Yeah. And he had some GM to him to like he would Yodle sandpapered do a little Koocher average. Yes. NAPCO.

Yeah. But you also had great guys like Gomer and JP and also and know like those type of guys that were, you know, the consummate pros around. Right. Yeah. And then Johnny Odilia was my. How do you. I do them gomers crush in the content game now in Alaska, and I don't take it over. Well, you just mentioned Gomaa. Did you ever get to see Bruce Springsteen when you were working? Ferlo he told that story of how all them up in Albany made him come all the way back down to Jersey to go watch Bruce Springsteen perform, to see his work ethic.

Yeah, I heard that.

And I was I wasn't there then. But, you know, Gomer has some great stories as well with regarding Lou and, you know, just growing up and being candid and, you know, just being Gomer so bright.

Looks like you do have a couple wrinkles, shrink emails, old school for us.

Yeah, I got a couple couple for the boys. I love to read one of them.

At least we can get through one faster than the last time you came on like this doing an ad or today.

I know we'll read. It's not my strong point. We all know that.

So I call this one Papa Rambo goes nuts at R.F. This is from a cannon. He didn't say his town. So we're just going to go with real vehemence.

Severe, severe. I know this sounds great, Hall and I have a hard time keeping track of all these little towns this place has.

So, Keenan, I was referencing a gold medal game at the Banten minor hockey team with two pretty solid teams. About two minutes into the second period, I had a parent screaming about I was going to kill me. I look over and he's climbing the glass with a knife in his hand. Guy is full on screaming about how he's going to stab me and kill me and run me over the parking lot. I had kicked out his kid from the game for spitting at another player on when he was celebrating after scoring a goal.

So clearly it stems from the trough, the trickle down effect.

It's a trickle down. Yeah. Oh, my God.

It's like he got score on either he score I the goal and spits on the guy and, you know, and then, you know, obviously police were called and all that type of stuff. But I mean, talk about a guy that needs to be listening to the rink shrinks on the way to the game in the morning.

Are you kidding me?

Well, I think he needs some meditation tapes or something. He needs to he needs some breathing. I you know what?

He needs to put the knife away now. He needs a skipping rope in the corner. He needs to get that's maybe that's what they do. They get out there and channel your energy elsewhere. That was one of the stories you told last time.

Oh, that was a good one. That was a good one.

Uh, yeah. So what what do you think about him?

He would need to lay down on the couch. Do they know the original story? Yeah, I saw a buddy of mine like the rink shrinks that it kind of came about because a buddy of mine who, you know, he was calling me all the time last year about his team and he was having issues with his coach and all that type of stuff. And and I'm like, dude, I coach three teams and I'll talk to you more this year about your team and your son than anybody else.

I'm like, I'm I'm like I'm busy. Yeah, I'm busy. Like, I'm working. I'm coach and I get a million different things. I've slept for a half hour this week, you know, like what's going on is like this is what we're going to do.

He's like, you're my shrink shrink. He's like, I'm going to set up, you know, a couch in my garage. You're going to come over. We're going to invite these other hockey parents and we're going to say to them, you know, like, you can tell your story and then you'll diagnose. I'm like, all right.

You need like fourteen Bud Light Budweisers because I know you're a Budweiser podcast, you know, seven shots of Pink Whitney and, you know, and no weapons and. Yeah.

And you, you, you have to forfeit your license to carry, you know, so that was kind of how the whole thing started.

I like the occupants of sickos. You guys have a hard time straddling that line. Obviously, we got probably a little different audience than you. You mentioned kids. Listen, do you have to, like, catch yourself frequently from maybe talking like you're not getting canceled? Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's definitely something.

I mean, we're locker room guys, right? And we usually like to let things fly and kind of talk nonsense, talk nonsense. But I mean, we can talk ragtime with the best of them, obviously. And yeah. So we it's definitely hard to try to toe the line and, you know, think about your thirteen, fourteen year old son listening at home. You know, you also don't want to give him divorce papers either. Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey so we got, we got the big number I guess it was this weekend and Ross doctoring shrink Ross is playing with Keith.

What's it like playing with Keith in this thing. Oh man, it's an adventure.

I mean, it's it's going to be a little toned down this year because of coal. But obviously, in the end, it's not as many of the parties and all that.

But it usually, you know, the first day is is an absolute you know, it's a grind because we got to qualify, which is, you know, we'll be qualifying tomorrow. And then it usually involves quite a few drinks afterwards and a little bit of a party.

And then, you know, we all know how Keith is with the responsibility of, like the curfew.

He'll show off that like a minute before the tee time, minutes before like last year, I think we were like three holes in. And the guys like these these guys like, oh, like I heard you a hockey player. I'm like, nah, that's that's not me. That's my brother. And, you know, he's he's rolling and, you know, after the third hole and.

Last year was a funny story, he he came in, he was a couple of holes, so so we played Friday Match and we're down like three at the turn and I'm like, that's it. I'm like, I'm like, let's go. So it's probably noon. I grab him a white Russian. I grab myself a pink Whitney. And and it was just it was game on. We ended up like closing the guys out on 17 jizya.

They couldn't handle the handles. They couldn't handle us. It was so it was awesome. But yeah, it's a blast. We have a good time. A lot of jokes. Obviously, all of our buddies are up there. And, you know, we at the time, which usually a later time because he's the better golfer. So when we get down, we usually jump in a couple of shots and bomb around with the cooler and watch him play and some of our other friends that are pretty good.

So it's it's it's a blast. It's pretty wild watching them hit a golf ball.

And just like how consistent some would say it's wild seeing you hit a golf ball. Oh, yeah. Four different fucking reasons. He sees three ball, so he's got to rip the middle. Not always easy.

I need a shot clock out there too. I stand over the side and I'm going.

And what else what else you guys want to chat about? Anything else on your mind? Hockey related.

I think camp is winning this year. Yeah, me too much. I got to the island as. Oh, now you're going to have Dallas fans sending anthrax to your house for the Dow Jones.

Fans are everywhere not picking up any listeners in the Dallas area, I guess.

Oh, goodness, no. I picked against them and they're like, yeah, they're going to beat you down.

You just don't try to jump on the bandwagon. No, it's like, well, fucking Colorado lost 10 guys right off the roster.

Only one team can win two. Oh, yeah. Considering the circumstances, what's everything in the pandemic, the bubble, all that. Have you been impressed with the play that you've seen?

Yeah, it was early on of obviously a little sloppy, but yeah. Yeah, I was kind of cool to see. I was interested to see how much intensity would be there and it was like a big hit early in that New York Carolina series and then a fight. I was like, oh yeah, the boys are getting going here. And Brady crushed.

Yes. Pretty fast. Yeah. First game it was at noon. Yeah. Yeah.

Everyone was like, whoa.

Yeah, I was awesome. I mean, I, you know, to see elite athletes, you know, kind of internally, like self-motivated and then the product obviously got better and better as the guys got kind of their legs and their timing back. But that's it's been great. It was it was a little less productive at work when those games on it, like twelve, three and five.

And, you know, just watching this, I think you got we hung out for one of those, so. Yeah. Right. You got anything else.

I think you got another one for the Rangers. Yeah.

That's a good read. As many as you got. Man, fans love this stuff because they're all sicko's.

So I got I got another one hit and I call this one. The coach gets Milbrett in the stands. This is from Ontario and came from a summer hockey tournament. So this is from a rest ref's perspective.

Again, so coach acting like an idiot, knew knew shit about hockey after the second we had enough of him and tossed him the game. And he opens the door, yells, you know, hey, go.

You know, some yourself very, very explicit talking about the referee's mother, which which is a huge like Jackie Owen Jane lost it when that half lost his mind.

So this is the the referee. I snapped off my bucket, jumped into the stands and started smashing him. Other parents just jumped in. My partners joined me in the stands. One bad got one. Dad got body slammed and had to Vertebras broke in his back. The guy went after a pretty short eight from a straw for a few weeks. To top it off, the arena attendant trying to break up the fight was my dad.

Hey, the ref sounds like a complete lunatic. Yeah, he's a psycho. He's he's like the bar bouncer guy who got taken away from me in the bar bouncer because he was too much of a snob show and he was like just waiting for one of these fucking customers jaws at an alarming rate.

These stop.

But I mean, it's hilarious because all these guys, like I mean, know who you're messing with, first of all.

But it's like you're in a rink, like enjoy the game with your kids. Right. Like it's these people are out of control. And hopefully they you know, they can start to run into the rink, shrinks and learn like, hey, it's only a game like this is a summer tournament game. Like guys, they're in shorts and a t shirt. They probably got a cookout going outside afterwards. Like, just chill out, like enjoy it.

Dudes plan the march and set a target for having to wear a mask on exactly what kind of schedule you guys have weekly show, biweekly, what's what's the plan there.

So we started out we're going bi weekly, like, you know what I said before, it can be heard on all on Apple, Spotify at the New England Hockey Journal, dot com. And we're going, you know, like you said every other week, just for starters, and kind of ease into things here and see. But so far, it's been great, you know, a lot of a lot of New England area listeners, but hopefully we get the.

It's bizarre.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, everyone knows where. Check it out. The ranks shrink. Thank you guys so much for coming in. And I look forward to listening.

And can I be on 100 percent? How many games of diplomats? Three hundred and twenty one, I think.

So you got a guy to play to or to try to treat a guy to play more than almost like a peasant.

So I'm sorry for that on the hop. I should have done my research, but I owe you a beer. Yeah. One last thing.

Biweekly means twice a week, right? Not not every other week.

Just talk yes or no. And over bottle.

You could think of one next episode already on fire with Don. Aaargh! Got me.

We were both right. We know weeks it biweekly occurring every two weeks or occurring twice a week. Because I know that because if it guys at work, some people get paid weekly and some people get paid by week because that's not twice a week.

Right. Right. Yeah, no.

Well it's funny because it actually means both. It's weird and not even dictionary dot com, which Merriam Webster definition absolutely occurring every two weeks or occurring twice a week while it's something new every day and every other week up. I stand corrected buddy.

Thank you. Take next to that dynamic duo, Mike Model, Brian Namgyal The New Renk Shrinks. Good luck to them in their success with the new podcast. Always a pleasure having those two on model. He's definitely a piece of work, though. He's not. He's got his own little level there somewhere.

Yeah, exactly. Mike Mike Morto. I like those calls. A motto.

I like that the French, the French, the French way you could see the fear in his eyes when I asked him about love stories, like if he said one that he would like do with some guys that kidnap them and like fuckin waterboarded and ship. All right, gang.

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Now hockeys over. You know what season it is for me besides watching season. Got to catch up on all these movies.

There's never it's never not washing watching season for you. Right? Well, it's just I watch a lot more hockey during Triplette season.

All season you've been tweeting about movies and documentaries like Crazy lately. I can't keep up. I don't know how you do it.

Yeah, well, you know, I mean, I'm a night owl. I like to write at night. So sometimes I watch during the day. Sometimes I mix it up. But I'll tell you that you've seen that show the boys, right. What you watched season one?

I have. I've actually I'm caught up. I've watched both seasons. I never in a million years thought I would like this show like superheroes. I'm not into that stuff. But it's not it's not like about superheroes, you know what I mean? And what is a dark comedy comedy?

Yeah, it's based on a graphic novel, which is basically a comic book in book form. And yeah, totally. It's it's like the whole like comic book superhero genre, basically. Like you're not supposed to treat them as heroes. They're basically a bunch of assholes who are all corporate sellouts. And that's what the show is about.

But it's brilliant and it's funny. There's like no sacred cows on the show. They make fun of everything. They just drop season two on Amazon, which actually they tease that out. They only did like a couple like one episode at a time, I think. And then they dropped like the last few. But if you haven't seen it, by all means, check it out. It's it's definitely a unique show.

I mean, it's not a homeland or is you just I don't I don't know if I love him or despise him. It's like that, guys. I've never seen him in anything. He looks like Bradley Cooper.

Now, the guy I forget, I forget the guy's name, but he was on that show, Banshee. I think it was on Cinemax. People love that show. I've never seen it. But the guys from New Zealand. So any time you see someone from a foreign land who's able to master an American accent. Yeah. Plus the kind of take this sort of evil Superman role on. It's definitely a good ship, as you should certainly check it out.

And you think an American accent would be the easiest to disguise if you're from a different country as opposed to like someone English trying to knock off a French accent? Because I feel like so many people are able to America, I'd say so many people are able to do it. I know we're actually talking about it before we we hop back on. But Borat, the girl, the girl he's married to, she's, I believe, British or maybe even Australian.

And when she was in wedding, mind you, I will say.

But Anthony Star Homeland, his name.

Sorry about Zuckoff going back to the boys, any any other famous actors in it. No, oh, no namers well, Giancarlo Esposito, Breaking Bad, yes, yes, he's on it. I mean, if you watch the show, you're the worst jackass. She starred in that show. There's definitely faces you've seen from other shows and guest stars or whatever.

But actually, what's his name? Not Randy Quaid. Dennis Quaid son is the star Jack Quaid. It's actually his father's job. Dennis Quaid, his mother's Meg Ryan. He's the star of the show. But there's some familiar faces. But you could jump in either way. And another thing, too, I caught that Craig Cotton documentary on HBO. You know, Craig Cotton, for those of you not familiar, he was the star of one of the number one fucking radio shows in New York City.

Him it was booming cotton. They were number one.

And then he got afternoon or Mourning's pretty sure there were mornings.

I'm not I never actually listened to them not being down to York, but I'm 90 percent sure there were mornings. But they were the number one show in the land, basically. And then he got arrested, you know, for some sort of ticket scheme, some embezzlement thing. And basically he was supposedly such an excellent blackjack player that people would give him like hundreds of thousands of dollars to play blackjack with their money and he would guarantee winnings. Now, I don't know anyone who would do that.

That's fucking bananas to me because, you know, there's a reason that casinos in Vegas worth six billion dollars. It's because of blackjack. But anyways, this guy was like getting people's money and not doing what he was supposed to do it. He ended up doing a year in jail. And HBO hits the dock a couple of months ago and it come out the last week or so. I didn't think it was good, man, and I don't know, credit card and I have no issue with him one way or the other.

I don't care what he did or didn't do. I just thought HBO Docs, they've been slipping for a while now on this one. It wasn't good. It felt like somebody was trying to clean up this guy's PR image or almost like a favor to somebody. It was like, oh, this guy did a bad thing and he's sorry. And it's like and lo and behold, this week it comes out he's getting rehired at the company. He used to work for WFA.

And so I don't know if you saw it. I wasn't too crazy about it.

I know you haven't seen it yet, but no, I'm not a big fan of documentaries when it's not completely unbiased. I don't know if that's possible now, but by maybe a company who has no end with any side, you know, and they they really give you the story. I haven't seen it, but it sounded like the guy was kind of a scumbag. I'll say that. I mean, how many people did he scam money out of?

Well, that's that's the thing that the documentary never interviewed any of his alleged victims. That's what I'm like. When are we going to talk to somebody here?

So I won't even get the story of what he actually did from the documentary.

Let's get Chief to interview him. We'll get the we'll get the real truth. And I have to change the channel because I'm just so awkward. I rarely chime in on the shows.

Guys, I watch the so-called zero zero zero and it was recommended to me by a friend. I've watched two or three episodes. Now it's about the Italian mob, the Mexican cartel, and then also a family who is in the shipping industry. So they're the ones shipping the drug and they intertwine it all and it's all involved in one show. So I thought it was cool. I mean, I know there are a lot of shows about the mob and the Mexican cartel.

You got narco as the list goes on and on and on. But I thought this one was really well done. The acting seems very good off the hop. And it's it's very, very violent, as I'm sure it would be if you're in the Mexican cartel or and or the Italian mob.

Yeah, it's a tough business, I hear.

Oh, so there's like gutting pigs and like drinking blood and it's not samaris. These people are nuts.

Well, we get some golf talk.

We weren't done with just the sandbag. A wet dog. You just came back.

Quickly, quickly, quickly discuss my trip to Piner, stall my buddy. So we had a blast every year. It's six of us for six guys who went to Trinity Trinity College is right outside Hartford.

Bunch of losers, the Bantams. I think their nickname is so because of this year. We had three guys drop out prior to the trip, which was supposed to be in April. And then when all that shit hit the fan, we moved it to October. So still later on October, three guys couldn't go, so we replaced them. And one of the guys that that replaced a dude from Trinity was was Yance. So, yeah. Is on this trip.

So I sent to my team or our team, I should say. I think we were calling each other team trash. I really don't know. I guess we're trash we're trash buckets.

But we all had Checketts shirts and my buddy Mike Shaw, who owns Lacco and Fat Baby in South Boston, he he made us hats the double s for the southern swing. That's what we call the trip, the southern twang.

And then we made a he made a sick white hat that said Southern swing in cursive in pink, because on one day we wore the white with the pink logo, pink Whitney shirts. Peter showed up. So like I mentioned before and myself, we drove down to Philly. We met our buddy Gary. We played Philly cricket. I played like shit. I hit it awful shot. Seventy seven. I want to play that place again, though. I had nothing.

I was like, oh, I got to find something before we get to opiners. So we go to Pinehurst now. It's Ryder Cup style now. We had beat Trinity, I think in three years. I don't really ever be the most pathetic. Every year we're losing to these guys and I think everyone throws up whatever. Five, 500 bucks, and then this side action, but, you know, it's more about the bragging rights of winning, so we have to win this year.

We have to win, they added Keith. And then this other kid, Chris Powers, who's nasty player, good dude. So he actually went to Trinity. So, Keith, by the way, I didn't finish story. So he he wants to get gear for his new team. So he got shirts and courtships made with the Trinity logo, the bantam. It's like a rooster. But to add Keith's touch, because he didn't go to Trinity or any college, he threw some Jordans and a red handkerchief on the rooster.

So that was just dynamite. Dynamite. What is the word uniform for this for this squad they're playing against?

So we start off at number four on three under through five holes on number four. Absolutely striping. And I end up shooting two over on the final thirteen holes, shooting one under. We actually lost two to one and points me and false we lost of powers and Keith Yandle. So they, they had a sick comeback and made a bunch of Barnat birdies power sprinkled in some birdies. We lost two points to one. We come in. I think we were, I think we were down.

There was nine total points available for each match. I think at that point we're down six, nine, five, five, four or five and a half, three and a half, whatever it was. So I shit. Well, we got to get going well the next morning then we just got buckled and everyone's we had this villa at Pinehurst, Pinehurst, the best place in the world.

I'm telling you, this place is so fun. There's 19 different golf courses.

They set it up, there's a par three course. Everyone check up on that place is fantastic. So we're in a villa where four of us I was one of them had our own rooms in the Carolina.

But then there's a villa with this huge common room sic big screen TVs. They got a card table, outdoor, they got a sick patio set up. They got a, you know, kitchen, all that that you need. And then there's four bedrooms with two bedrooms each. So eight of the guys are staying in this bill. And then there's one huge Conrow. So that's what we're hanging out at night. So naturally, after the first that we go there, you're up to two in the morning.

It's just like, am I going to sleep on one of these trips? No, I'll just wake up 36 holes the next day. So in the morning we played number three, which is like five thousand yards past sixty eight. So fun this course. It takes like a mini no to. It's just beautiful layout. They just redid it. Such a blast because you don't need it, you're not getting pounded. If you don't hit the ball that far, everyone can score.

So we come in from that team trash. We come in and it's we're down five at that point.

So there's been eighteen, there's been eighteen points available.

And, you know, we're down, we're getting smashed, dude. Like it was so, so annoying. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I played against fans at number three two. He made seven Barnett birdies. He was unstoppable so him and Jay Driscoll gave myself and who was with me that morning a beating. I don't remember who my partner was. That's a slap in the face to whoever it was. But I'm sure it'll come back and there's a lot of golf.

So we're down, teams down. We're we're now going to number two. So we get over to number two. You got caddies now at number two at the championship course and to my partner.

Got waffled. So we are starting the round off and the caddie's come over in, the caddie's like he seemed very the two guys seem very grumpy right away. And one of the kids in my group powers, he's on the other team with Maharis there on the other team plants, and he's carrying up a couple of shirts you just bought. The guy's like a.. And not a Caribous. So just a tough start. Turns out these guys were unreal, Gary and Erik.

I think so.

We get a couple of drinks into this match, right. And we see the drinka girl after two. We get a couple of drinks. We buy these guys some weight.

Whitecross right to the car. He's gonna have some. Whitecross Well, we get to the 60, which is this monster past three years. That's seven years. Six. So two hundred twenty yards. And this guy gets the cash, he gets on the phone and he says, Yeah, hey, what's up? They talk and to a girl, yeah, we're awful. Back up on sex. You go you want to bring us out some drinks is like just to bring lemonade vodkas.

Marsyas he was like whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa too. What about those white cars we got a couple of minutes ago. Is ok esx bring out these players need one too.

So we finish the six time we're walking across the road to seventy and also in a car pulls up.

This girl's got six. Unreal. Fully loaded. The triple vodka. Pink lemonade. Pink Whitney. Next thing you know, my partner has crushed his and we all did, and he can't even stand up. He can't even swing. He's whiffing. So finally, after the ninth hole, we had to give him the boot. Let's go go take a nice go take a nap. And even he knew he couldn't talk, couldn't walk. Just an absolute mess.

So would that leaves with talk to you one on two. I had to play one on to our squad. I don't know what's going on with the other two for the two foursomes, but I got to go one on two and I grind it out. I shot seventy six on number two. I grind it out a point and a half for my squad. Point and a half point and half I come inside. And all of a sudden, I realized that we've really help with this deficit isn't as bad as what we thought, right.

So we're in the hunt going into the next day. We tee off dude at eight in the morning, down three points in pouring rain. It's 55 degrees biz. I'm telling you, it's raining sideways. One guy had on shorts and a t shirt do it.

I looked at him on the eight polies like a frozen icicle and he also shit himself. He had to take the towel and chuck it in the woods. Just a disaster. You're up all night boozing. Keith Yandle, the night before gave the most incredible. What song is it?

Some big sounds like Survivor. Biggie it is. When you go with the trash and the Trinity crew, the Biggie and Eminem have some song together. I don't know what it's called. Keith Yandle went word for word, the sickest rap performance cover I've ever seen in my life. Just crush it. That was about two thirty.

Finally shut it down after that. Dead wrong. Oh, dead wrong.

We need Keith to do this. Jesus, this guy can't perform. So the next day, fast forward, we finish the rain round the last nine holes. Oh, by the way, we're getting like cigarettes and drinks from the car girl. Like after the pouring rain stop ten minutes later, she's like, did you guys get hit by the rain?

You see my shoes right now.

There's water coming out of my foot. Joyce So it was it was just The Gong Show. But finally, the last nine, we go in and we're tied. We're all tied. Right. So we go out there and the last thing we got, we got to go. Seven hole match seven, front seven overall seven front seven back fourteen holes overall. Still three points available. Nine points for the three foursomes because we're running out of daylight.

What happens? Long story short, my group, I Berdy, the first hole, right, we go one up, we then tie the next 12 holes, an unreal match.

We got one point for the front after seven, but then we tie eight. We tie nine. We tie ten. We tie 11. We tie 12. We tie 13. We get to 14. We're the last group and the cards come flying back. What do we at?

Boys, boys, we're down. If you don't get if you don't get more points than the team you're playing against, we lose.

Because when you when you've lost the Ryder Cup, you have to get more points. A tie. The Ryder Cup stays with the team who won the prior one. If you tie the current one, if you know. Right.

OK, so I say, well, listen, we got one point in the bag and this holds for two points because we're tied on the back or tied in the overall. We got to win this point, or at least we have to talk.

We have to tie this whole to win the Ryder Cup. My partner hits a little bit rity, chips it on to 10 feet, guy I'm playing against, he hits a beautiful bunker shot to five feet. So he's going to make that. I know he's going to make it four four four. I got a 40 footer for birdie.

I'm stalking this thing. I have to to putt to win the Ryder Cup. What did I do? I fucking rolled this seven foot breaking, 35 foot pile, last rotation, dead center drops off, now all three points, team trash takes, the celebration begins.

We stayed up to four thirty in the morning that night with Chinese food and rap. We actually went out that night and we went to get beers at like 10 o'clock because we ran out of beers.

We get out the corner in the store.

How many beers you got to go? As many as we can carry. There was four of us. We got about one hundred beers.

We got back to the room at 10, 30 yards goes, you know, we're leaving in the morning.

We drank we drank one eighth the beers we had, but we finally got a win. It was a fantastic weekend. I saw my buddy Occy at the dry cleaners yesterday and he's Molton and we were both. I go, do do you feel normal yet? He's like, not at all. He had no voice squeaks You know, I got to do it. I got to pick up my clothes.

He goes, I'm here to see if they'll dry clean my lungs.

So there was oh, I'm forgetting some things you just said. Oh, that's a long oh, I felt like I was there.

That was at number eight two on the fourteenth hole that I just can there's forty thirty footer just to win the Ryder Cup.

So an awesome trip. Our squad got it done.

Shout out to everyone and yeah I mean I'm forgetting a lot of funny lines which is frustrating.

O'Connor also had a separate machine.

I don't think I heard large from bar stools say only for old or fat people and he's not that old. Oh.

Sleep apnea, right. Yeah. He said it's like he stops breathing. So we just we were taking like hits. Oh I do that. We were taking his CPR.

Yeah. This lady is trying to claim I have it, but I don't believe her.

So I was thinking of having someone come over to do that, to test me for for how many times I wake up to the other night because I stopped breathing because I can I can barely breathe and do a sleep test where they go in like he was like completely stopping.

Yeah. And they call you wake up. That's brutal.

Happens all the time. That's the that's the consequence of eating punches your whole life.

But with that you nailing that pot like I could just see it now a seven foot break is a monster out to the left to right monster pot that like honest to God, I was like this is like not the easiest to spot in the world and I can do it.

By the way, net, I just remembered another line that had was net is so positive.

Yeah, he's been on the show. He's just always such an optimist. He could be down for four to go.

We're going to win this match. He was in a fairway bunker. Three hundred and ten yards, ten yards from the hole.

There's a lip over somebody like Netty hit the hybrid.

You got to hit the high and he goes, even Golf Digest wouldn't let me do that. So just non-stop, like, guys, just and I do want to shout out my drunk body. I had to walk off number two.

I was going to ask about him the next day.

He locked up five and a half out of a possible six points. Wow. In his two matches. So the dude came to play, showed up.

That's what it's all about. Whether that's a foxhole guy. That's a foxhole guy. He for sure is he for sure is what I had.

When you go down to one person, though, does it make you dial it and even more? Yeah, I was dialed. I was dialed. I was dialed that day like I was for over what? The course is hard. And I was giving out shots, like I think one guy got one and one and the other guy got two and two. So it wasn't a lot.

But still I was I was grinding and we actually said on the thirteenth tee of number two, like we had had a guy really buckled in the group and he was gone. So we actually finally came to grips with like we're we were pretty buckled as well.

It's like you wake up, you're a number three at eight, ten in the morning with the John Daly So it's like, you know, the next thing you know, you're on your you're on you're like twenty seventh hole the day it's five o'clock.

And the other thing is the guy didn't eat lunch after the first round. He was upset with how he played. So we went to the range and putted to get ready for number two. Didn't eat. You got to eat in between these things if you're getting after it. Oh for sure.

Like a Bugsy Malone move. But it wouldn't affect him.

Or you could just have the car girls bring over some cigarettes and stuff. You know that. You know, you're getting fucked up when the cigarettes come out like, oh, once, once.

That's like if there's cigarettes in twelve guys telling stories for fourteen hours a day, like, you know, it's one of those weekends that you need three days to recover.

Well we went long here. That was an unreal story. Fuck.

I need to get on one of these trips one time but that's it that you can't play thirty six a day.

Oh I don't think you'd be able you know I'll come for, I'll come for that little short course the five thousand five thousand and create the par three course you'd love to perfect for.

All right guys, I enjoyed catching up and I look forward to chat with you guys next week. Check out the sandbagger on our YouTube channel, see how she how how it all went down with. Wagner and yep, and thank you so much for listening. We love your piece. Have a great week, everybody. Before we close up here, I just wanted to send my condolences to the family and friends of Robby McIntosh from my hometown of Charlestown.

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