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And you're going to have a lot of personal stories about this. Yeah, ok. OK, well, good. Well, I'm looking forward to that. Yes, I'm a producer. I was just about to say, Chuck, your books be are you E.R., which is a great word in print, at least in Bruxner.
Sorry. Out loud too I guess. But I really don't think we can start this episode any other way, aside from how this HowStuffWorks article kicked it off. OK, OK, good. So, Chuck, we're trying to figure out what bruxism is. No, it's not a strange new religion or the latest exercise craze to come out of L.A. It's the complicated medical term for the simple act of grinding your teeth in L.A., all those wacky exercise trends.
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Yeah, bruxism, teeth grinding a tooth grinder.
So you've had, like, serious dental work from that, right? Correct.
And did you grind? Because we should probably tell everybody there's really two big categories of grinding teeth. One is daytime grinding and the other is nighttime grinding in nighttime grinding is way more intense.
So were you in nighttime grinder and currently both?
Oh, you still are. Oh, yeah. OK, and then do you when you're in nighttime grinder doing your grinding thing, huh. Do you wake up. Uh, no.
She sleeps pretty soundly, OK, because from what I understand, it's, it's not hard to actually wake the person sleeping in bed with you up from grinding your teeth that loudly. Like that's how that's how loud it gets from how much pressure you're exerting on your poor teeth. That's what I've heard.
I've never recorded myself. I've thought about doing that. Yeah. You know, they have those abs.
I think that will trigger by sound or whatever to record. Sure.
Bucksey Yeah. I've got I need to get Prexy going. All right.
Uh, but I am one of possibly fifteen percent of Americans that are Bruckner's they say that's roughly 15. There's a lot of people.
It was a surprising amount to me. I did not think it was going to be that high. Yeah. And I don't really know if it's I only know my experience. And, you know, when I was reading through this, it was just triggering me all over the place because from grinding to gnashing to clenching to TMJ and TMB, like, I've got it all.
Do you really have to? Because that sounds really bad. Yeah, it's just I'm a mess. Yeah.
Have you ever heard of getting Botox for TMD now? It's so, you know, Botox. It's from Botulin Short and it paralyzes the nerves temporarily.
But for a really long time, like months, you get it in your jaw and it relaxes the jaw muscles actually. Interesting, I wonder if while they're in there, I can get this cocoon under my eyeball taken away. You have a cocoon under there.
It looks like a butterfly is about to sprout from his sleeping bag under my eye. I think it has a lot of character.
I don't think you should change anything like that. No, no, no.
I'm not worried about any cosmetic things. Good, good. You're looking good, man. Thank you. I can see you. And I know you're looking good. Yeah, well, you know, we'll chat about my experience throughout this, but I do have I had been fitted for a a mouth guard, which I do not wear and I should.
Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it's there's a it's supposed to be kind of helpful, but I also saw that it can actually make you Brocks.
I guess that be the verb. Right. It makes you Brooks more sometimes.
Yeah. I mean I think the deal with the mouth guard is, is it just provides a barrier between your teeth. So yeah. It doesn't stop you from grinding or clenching or anything like that, but it's no there's no tooth on tooth. The sexiest contact which is tooth on tooth. Right.
It's almost like giving condoms to teenagers. It's been demonstrably, irrefutably proven that it makes them have sex when they otherwise wouldn't do the same thing with the mouth guard. You probably wouldn't even grind your teeth, but you put a mouth guard out and you're going to grind. You know, we get an alarming amount of emails from people who don't understand your I don't even know what you call it. It's not sarcasm. Humor. Sure, we can throw it under the label.
Well, no, I mean, when you say something and you're totally kidding, but you're just being deadpan about it, people it by that.
Yeah. They catch on eventually I think. Or they don't. They think you're a monster.
So let's, let's get into this, OK, because I didn't know much about teeth grinding. I do grind teeth but not to a clinical degree. So I didn't know quite a lot of this. But I came across this article that was written by an NYU dental student named Jordan Moscovitch. No. Yeah, Moscovitch, I think I nailed it.
The park sounds like a dental student from NYU. If I've ever done it.
I just came across this paper. I don't I don't I don't remember what how I searched it. But anyway, it had some really interesting stuff in there and the way that possibly by now, Dr. Moscovitch put it, that as we understand bruxism, it occurs it's cyclical. So it starts out and it follows a distinct pattern and then it kind of crests intensifies and then it wanes, it goes away, and then the cycle eventually starts up again. And so that these these cycles can happen in clusters.
So you're actual like attack of bruxism might only last somewhere in the neighborhood of like four to fifteen seconds. I think that's on the low end. But when you have a bunch of them, these different attacks, these cyclical attacks in a cluster, it can add up to quite a bit over the course of your sleepy time.
Yeah, I mean, if you're grinding for fifteen seconds and then taking off six or eight seconds and then grinding again, I don't know what the distinction is. You just take a little little a little break. Yeah.
Your brain's like this is too much even for me, because to me that's constantly grinding. Right. So no, apparently it does it like there's an increase in it and then it gets really, really bad and then it stops and then it starts to slowly to to build again. I think what makes it cyclical and building is that it's also associated with an increase in heart rate and brain waves. Um, in your so you're grinding your teeth, your heart is going faster and your your brain is working overtime.
And then I guess it all just kind of crests and goes away for a little while.
Yeah. And I don't think we said the I mean we'll talk about all the reasons is can be pretty bad but you're exerting a lot of force. Yeah. Up to two hundred pounds of pressure per square inch. And that is not like even when you're chewing something super tough for like Salt-Water taffy or something, it's like ten times the force that you used to chew food. Dude, saltwater taffy is so great.
You're a big fan. I really am a big fan. And it's one of those things where as I've gotten older, I've realized that some of the like old time candy like nugget, just plain old nugget nuggets. Great.
Like it was perfected, like we've perfected candy and a lot of ways a long time ago.
And you overlook it now just because it's been around for so long in favor of like, you know, or what you might call it or some kind of go go candy bar today.
Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with Whatchamacallits is probably my favorite modern candy bar, but Salt-Water, Taffy Nugget, stuff like that. It's, it really it's been around for this long for a reason I guess. Yeah.
You love the candies that you can get for a. By reaching your hand into it, well, you can't do that kind of thing anymore, but by reaching your hand into a big germ bucket right full of discarded candy from children.
Sure. But but they're individually wrapped, so I'm safe. You know, when little bit sweets used to love us, they used to send us that nugget. I know. As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, they're the people who introduced me to Nugget straight up Nugget. Yeah. It was one of those care packages of theirs. Yeah. They introduced us to Nugget and Honeycomb Candy. Yeah. Why don't they like us anymore?
I don't know. I have to get in touch with the lives and be like, what's up.
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Yeah. Oh we just did. Yeah. So you were saying 200 pounds of pressure. I saw and that's per square inch. I saw up to 250 pounds of pressure per square inch. That's about 10 to 40 times what you would exert normally when you're chewing. And as you can imagine, like your poor teeth can only take so much. Yeah, and it's not just the pressure, it's the pressure combined with the grinding motion. Right. That can really wear down the old enamel.
I saw something like ten times faster than somebody who doesn't grind their teeth while they sleep.
Yeah. So I mean, that introduces yet another problem. So not only will it make your teeth, you know, Wigler and and just they could crack. They can fracture. Yeah. You can wear them down to stumps. You get rid of that enamel like you said, and then you're, you know, just ready to get a cavity.
Plus your nerves can be exposed. Uh oh, God. Have you ever got a root canal? Shockingly, no.
I have three fake teeth, but I've never had a root canal. They are not fun. Yeah. And I still don't even quite know what it is, to be honest.
I got so they go in and they actually remove the nerve at the at the base of the tooth, like it's just the take the nerve out so you don't have any sensation right there anymore. Which is good because by the time you need a root canal, you don't want to ever feel anything ever of any kind. And I got one once by this guy over in Brookhaven, and he apparently is a master at root canals, because every dentist I've been to since then, and this is years ago, has commented on like, what an amazing really now that guy did.
So you can tell years later. I guess so. Yeah. Because I still get comments on it. Whenever I go to a new dentist and they take x rays, they're like, wow, that's a really great root canal.
It's not like the the guy in the grocery store parking lot that fixes your dental when you shop right now, he doesn't do that good of a job. I think the words root canal, just the combination of those two words is probably a top tenner for just most loathed combinations of words. That moist? Well, that's just one word. Oh, combination of words, moist, anything, yeah, moist, underline, moist thighs. How about that?
They did a little survey with the Chicago Dental Society, which is a real swinging club, and they found 65 percent of those dentists said that they are hearing about jaw clenching being sort of an increasing thing. I don't know when this was written, but apparently it's bruxism is on the rise, as is stress.
Right. That's what they're saying, that they correlate it to stress in adults. And they think that it's basically as simple as that. There's a lot of other things that can cause bruxism, as we'll see. But stress seems to be the number one driver of teeth grinding in grown ups. And as stress increases in our modern whatchamacallit type world, bruxism is increasing as well, which is sad. But at the same time, it's also like, OK, well then there's real hope for this.
It's not like you have some biological short circuit in your brain that you'd have to go get like a surgery to to correct or cure.
Yeah, you're just riddled with anxiety, right? Exactly. And I don't think we've officially pointed out or maybe you did that grinding. Is that back and forth motion and clenching is just sort of just locking your teeth together and, you know, as if you're biting on a irresistable saltwater taffy.
So with clenching, too, that seems to be more associated with daytime bruxism than nighttime bruxism. True. And the other thing about daytime bruxism, so bruxism considered a pair of functional habit is what it's called, like chewing on a pen caps or biting your fingernails or something like that. It's like this doesn't serve a good purpose for like you're you're not breathing or eating or drinking. So you're doing other stuff with your mouth that makes it a pair of functional habit.
But the thing about it is during the daytime, it's unconscious, whether you're you're doing nighttime bruxism or daytime bruxism. But in the day you can stop and be like clenching my teeth and stop yourself from doing it. Yeah. So it's involuntary, but it's also unconscious. When you're asleep, you're probably not going to wake yourself up. So you're going full bore.
Yeah. And, you know, I try and catch myself during the day when I clench and I find it happens a lot. What I've started doing.
I don't know if it was a conscious effort or not, but I've started widening my tongue between my teeth, kind of not at all times, but a lot of the time. Yeah. If my mouth shut, I have my my tongue in between my teeth. I got to prevent that, like in the front from the side kind of all over, man, so you just kind of constantly moving it.
Now I just, you know, Fatin, that tongue out and it is, oh, what are you doing it. That's quite a talent. No, I can't do it. I'm impressed really with your tongue. Look. Yeah, I guess I can't. I can't.
And I should point out, too, that, you know, the history of my fake teeth are well chronicled on the show. And I've talked about why. But it's not just from grinding like I've always been in my fingernails. And that pressure for, you know, in the front of your teeth is no good. And I've got shallow roots and sort of a host of things that kind of led to those those teeth not working out for me.
Let me let me ask you this. Were either of your parents boxers?
I don't know. And and I just I don't know. I don't care to ask at this point.
They kind of want to bring it up, like, who cares? I mean, maybe I could, but it's not like that would satisfy me in any way.
Well, the thing is, is they think that it's an inherited trait. Yeah. Apparently your chances of boxing are way higher if your parents are boxers.
But like, do I need one more thing to blame on my parents? Forty nine years old. That's right.
So just just chalk it up to the fact that you're a young woman who smokes right where you got it from, because women are three times more likely to be drugs and smokers are five times more likely to Brooke's right.
Smokers, people who drink heavily and a lot of that they attribute to dehydration. Yeah, and here's the thing. This one is what reveals the weirdness of all this to me. So your body becomes dehydrated for whatever reason. And when you're dehydrated, a whole cascade of stressors just kind of take place in your body, right? Mm hmm. It can trigger allergies. It can trigger inflammation. It's just not a good jam for your body to be dehydrated.
The thing is, is what your body does in response is make you grind your teeth like they've shown, like you grind your teeth more when you're dehydrated. But like I was saying, that raises the the big basic question that I've never seen anybody answer.
Like, why why would you grind your teeth? What kind of a weird physiological response is that to things like stress, whether emotional stress or physical stress? It's a very bizarre thing for your body to be like, oh, cue the Q the teeth grinding, let's get rid of some of the stress.
Well, I don't know. I mean, I think you could file all of the things I'm about to say under that same weird category of why, but the same reason you might tap your foot when you're nervous or the same reason you might clinch your fist if you're anxiety. I think they're just your body's responses to anxiety. They come out in these little weird physical tics.
Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. But to me, they're still like you can still keep walking it back to, you know, why.
Teeth grinding Why? Why clenched fists like what do we get from it? The closest I've seen to an explanation is it's a stress reliever. Right. And I get that. But again, like maybe my question is where along the way in our evolutionary history did teeth grow?
And you become the response rather than like, you know, blinking in an alternating sequence really fast, you know, like why teeth grinding? Because ultimately grinding your teeth produces more tension and more stress concentrated in your jaw. It doesn't get rid of it. It just basically concentrates it into one painful area.
Yeah. I mean, one might say that one reason is because it's a silent form of releasing that anxiety. It's something you can do in a business meeting. It's something you can do in church or wherever you might feel really stressed out. Sure, you can't do primal scream therapy in the middle of a tense meeting, but I know what you mean. You're a man of science. You want to know the pathways of satisfaction that are that are happening there.
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Yes. OK, so we were talking about some of the the things that cause bruxism that they've definitely shown. And again, no one has ever explained why bruxism just how bruxism I guess.
Yeah. Like any kind of sleep disturbance can do it. I mean, there's you know, we already talked about anxiety and stress. It's sort of that seems to be the go to for doctors. But any kind of sleep disturbance, if you are on some weird bed in a hotel that is uncomfortable to you, that might cause you to to clinch up during your sleep.
Weird things like that. Yeah. If your bite doesn't form symmetrically, I guess is the word that's me to you. You actually. So that's called mal occlusion. Yeah. And there's all sorts of stuff.
I didn't realize this, but there's all sorts of stuff to correct it, including shortening your jaw, which I'm like, OK, we don't have hover cars but we have surgery that can shorten somebody's jaw.
I'm impressed. Right. Did you get that done?
No, I considered having surgery at one point where they break your jaw and realign it and then wire it shut. OK, um, but there was never a great time to do it because I have a job where I run my mouth for a living. Right. Uh, and it just I don't know. It got to the point where I got to a certain age. I was like, you know, I just don't think I want that surgery.
I live with my misalign jaw in my TMJ and my TMD.
Man, I hope you get the last part worked out. Thanks.
So maybe it'll just magically clear up when we're not podcasting any longer.
Well, you never know.
So I remember you talking about getting a surgery and that kind of jogged my memory. I didn't I didn't know you ever got it, but yeah, you probably couldn't wire your jaw shut. I was just thinking just then I'd see you go to work.
Yeah, it would be kind of weird. Now, people don't wanna hear that for like six to eight weeks or whatever is right.
Me and the soup though.
Yeah. I dropped a good weight drink. It was straw. Yeah. But I mean there's, there's some good soup out there trying to be a cheeseburger. Yeah. You could in the soup. God.
So I saw another thing thanks to presumably Dr. Moscovitch, his article that they have connected teeth grinding to parasitic worm infections.
Oh really. Yeah. And I was like that. That doesn't sound right at all. I went and looked and yeah, there's there's a definite like like a bunch of papers dating back to the 70s where they're like, yeah, seems like if you have pinworms or hookworms they directly cause teeth grinding.
Weird. I know that uh certain psychiatric medicines can and antidepressants and stuff could cause it. Uh this is one of the side effects sometimes could be comorbid with sleep apnea. Yeah. Which have had people write in and say, hey, check, check about sleep apnea because you have dreams about breathing water and stuff.
No, I don't think I have sleep apnea though. Um. And maybe I'll get tested for that one day, too. Yeah, one other thing, though, about parasitic worms is actually correlates to something else that's mentioned in this article, which is allergies can kick it off. And remember, they think that parasitic worms has to do with either an increase in allergies or decrease in allergies or something, but they think that it's tied with allergies. So that would explain why it kicks off teeth grinding.
Yeah, and I don't think we said that. You may not even realize that your books are right. I do because of my my history. But I think a lot of people don't even realize they're gnashing their teeth in their night. You may wake up with a sore jaw and wonder what was going on. Think you might have slept on your face? Funny or something. Right. But a dentist can help diagnose that for sure. If you go in and say, hey, something's going on here.
Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Moscovitz. Yeah. If you live alone or you're not grinding your teeth enough to wake up your partner. Yeah, there's there's going to be like little signs or whatever. But if you don't start paying attention to it, you might not notice it unless it's a bad case. If it's a bad case, you're going to notice because your teeth are starting to crack and chip and wear down. And even if you don't notice, your dentist is going to be like, I think you grind your teeth and that might be the first person to tip you off.
Yes. Swollen gums. That could also be a little tip. Mm hmm. You know, mine sort of happened all at once with the job.
Like, I've always had a bad bite and two rounds of braces did not cure it. Oh, man.
So I've got sort of a it's not quite an underbite, but, you know, my my top my bottom teeth, my top teeth are aligned instead of having an overbite.
And I remember distinctly when I started having these problems like 10 or 12 years ago, and I would tell Emily, I said, it feels like my lower jaw is from someone else's body all of a sudden, huh?
Like it just doesn't fit anymore. And that's the easiest way I could describe it. And it just kind of happened like suddenly or you noticed it like in a short time, started noticing it over a short span, 10 or 12 years ago. I remember one time I was singing in the band for band night one time, and I had my mouth open singing like, you know, if I might say so pretty powerfully, you know, and something popped like I felt something almost like come unhinged and it got worse after that.
So I don't know what that was all about.
Was I during your famous cover of Ave Maria?
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So another sign that you might have bruxism is if you wake up and you like the inside of your cheeks hurt because they've been rubbed raw from the getting caught up in the boxing.
Yeah. If you're a side sleeper for sure. Uh huh. Yeah, that's that's what it'll be particularly bad. You might also wake up with bite marks from it, you know, not like you can see it, but you can definitely feel those. I went through a little period where I was biting, like where my canines are, you know, I have like vampyre canines and I don't know, it was almost like what you were just describing, like all of a sudden my my bite or my jaw or something just changed.
And for like a month or two, I was biting this one part of my lip, you know, lower right corner. And it was happening a lot. And then finally it went away. No idea what happened, but I'm just glad it it cleared up.
Yeah. I'm a side sleeper sort of side just sleeper. And I will tuck a pillow up under my arm and face as well as the one I'm laying on with my head. And I think that has contributed to sort of mis aligning my jaw. And I looked online and sure enough, there are TMJ pillows, I think, to help thwart that.
Have you seen, like, some of the like the I think Casper makes one. There's one by avocado there. They're basically like a..
Snoring pillows. Mm.
I don't know, it lifts your head up so that your head's not going downward, which helps you helps keeps your your airway from being obstructed and hence snoring less. I can actually works really well. I'm a bit of a snore and they, they've cured it.
I don't know it.
They were like the Three Stooges uh in on center on the pillow front to the other thing I do is I sleep with my arm kind of under my head, you know, and under my pillow, like I don't I never know what to do with my arms as a side sleeper. And that is, you know, sometimes I wake up in my arm will be numb from just being in a weird position. Yeah, but they have these pillows now that that lift you up a little bit and have a little a little hatch there where your arm fits through.
What I haven't gotten one of those yet, but I'm looking into it, wow, it's amazing.
The sleep product industry and I'm not talking about mattresses is just ridiculously dense. Sure, you know, it's like memory foam. Yeah, I love a good memory foam, so. So talking about you're talking about TMJ and TMD. From what I saw, TMJ is the name of the joint in TMD is the name of the disorder of the stuff hanging around that joint. Is that correct?
Well, I've always heard it called a TMNT disorder. They may have just shortened that to TMD, OK. Yeah. I've always heard TMJ too. I haven't even heard it called TMJ disorder, just TMJ. But from what I can tell, everybody's been getting it wrong all these years that TMJ is the joint, not the disorder.
Yeah, like if you say I have to say like yeah. Everyone's got a temporary mandibular joint Gerke big one. But yeah, TMJ disorder. I think it's just become one of those things that's shorthand. But yeah, I think TMD is inflammation of that joint and you know that that can affect kind of your whole face. It can spread around to the other muscle and tissue, pain, swelling. We talk about swelling a lot, inflammation, swelling.
That's sort of the key to good health is keeping that down.
That seems to be like what science is starting to figure out, for example, about inflammation.
And it seems like it seems like there's also clicking and popping that comes along with it, too, which is not fun either. Not necessarily because it hurts. It's just distressing psychologically. Like, you get worried, like, oh, man, is this next time, you know, know, my job is going to stay open. Yeah, because isn't lockjaw like a potential outcome of TMD? I don't know.
I don't know anything about lockjaw is that maybe it's like a flea circus is just one of those things that was made up.
But everybody started to think it was I thought lockjaw came around because.
Tetanus or whatever. Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, it's like an infection. I forgot about that. And I think it's just it's not your jaw locking up. It's just a weird name for it.
Oh, I thought, like, your jaw, like, stayed open. Well, I think it can cause it can cause muscle contractions in your jaw. Mm hmm. So maybe that is where the name comes from. But I think it's from like and I'm speaking out of my butt right now. Okay. I think it's from like a bacterial infection. And this is why you get tetanus shots. Yes, but that's weird that it would focus on your jaw muscles, you know, hey, man, he's pretty specific.
It's a mystery.
It is a mystery. You want to take a second break and then come back and talk about kids and getting rid of this stuff, too. Yes. OK, everyone, we'll be right back with.
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OK, so everybody knows adults are super angry not to be looked squarely in the eye, easily set off that kind of stuff, and that that explains teeth grinding in adults, mostly that MDMA with kids.
It's a totally different story depending on the age. And actually, kids tend to grind their teeth almost as a matter of course, they found that 50 percent of babies grind their teeth, but they do it typically when they're teething, which makes a lot more sense.
Although grinding like your gums as the teeth are just breaking through as well, is that it gets like the nails on a chalkboard to me like this that really since thinking about it. Yeah, yeah. Like moist.
I mean, I got to say there is something very creepy about a baby locking down on your pinky before the teeth are in, but those teeth are right behind that, that gum skin. Right. It's very weird. Yeah, it's very creepy. Yeah. It's nothing cute about it. If you're a baby you might also grind your teeth because your top and bottoms aren't aligned as of yet or like allergies like you were talking about if they're congested.
The same with. Adults, it could be a sign of allergies or something. Yeah, again, allergies produce inflammation, which produces teeth grinding, which is the key to the existence of life in the universe.
I think if you're little older and you're not like a toddler, then it may be stress, it may be just that kid anxiety, which is super sad.
Yeah. You might you might have like trouble at school or if your family just moved or something like that, it might produce teeth grinding. It might also make you eat entire ten packs of Twix in one sitting after school. One of the two outcomes. Yeah.
Not speaking from experience or anything. I'm just speaking in generalities.
By the time I think they say not to worry about it too much if your kid is grinding their teeth before they're seven or eight years old. Yeah.
After between seven and eight and 12 is usually when it'll go away, once they get those big weird looking adult teeth that are still in that kid's head. Yeah. And a big old attitude company. Yeah, no kidding.
But if your kid is like over seven or eight years old and they're still grinding their teeth, you might want to go see a dentist and they might say go see a therapist.
Yeah, why not, Frank? I mean, or whatever their name might be.
That's right. Frank, the chair therapist. Sure.
So the because it's so prevalent and because it clears up on its own, you're not going to treat your kids bruxism like you were saying. If it is pretty bad, though, your doctor might be like, let's get a mouth guard in the mouth. Guard might help. Probably will help. It won't keep him from doing it. But one of the other things that I saw, like if your baby does grind his or her teeth, one of the problems it can have, which is probably why you would want to treat it, is that it can keep them awake at night, which makes them cranky during the day.
Right. So I could see wanting to treat teeth grinding, especially if it starts to become even remotely an issue, although you're not you don't have to.
I could see treating it if it starts affecting my quality of daytime life. Exactly. But this article is so adorable. It says, you know, there are some things you can do if you're young. You're your young child is grinding his or her teeth. You can draw him a warm bath before bed, read them a story that is just like that's the most heartwarming treatment for any condition I've ever heard. Yeah.
Try reading a story to your kid before bed. That's novel, right?
Don't try to read them a novel. So, uh, let me see.
I think they also recommend, if you're an adult, something topical, like an analgesic like Tiger Balm. Yeah. Below the ears. Like sort of right there outside the jaw. I don't know about that.
I could give that a try, but I don't know if that'll keep me from grinding. Might just provide some relief.
Have you tried warm baths for yourself before bed? Uh, get those thighs moist.
Uh, it says here to keep the your tongue and the roof of your mouth.
Uh. So that's sort of a version of what I'm doing, but I don't see how the roof of your mouth helps so much, I think it cuts down on, like, the chance you might bite your tongue. But it's also keeping your mind focused on what your mouth is doing at any given time. That's what I would guess. And, of course, like there's a lot that you could do as far as like just relaxing is concerned. Like your meditation helps with absolutely everything, not drinking as much, cutting down on caffeine, not smoking.
All those things are linked to it, not chewing gum. So basically, you know, I think I've said recently where if you have like a sleep disorder that you like your bed, who is I telling this to? Do you remember? Mm hmm.
I don't remember either, but that your bed should be just for sleeping in your bed to sleep like no TV, no reading, no nothing. And then, you know, over the course of time you'll train yourself to associate bed with sleep and you'll just be able to sleep better. The same thing goes with these other para functional habits, like chewing on pen caps, chewing gum, chewing your fingernails, like you have to make sure you're not doing those because your mouth is just for eating and drinking and talking and breathing.
And that's it. Not for chewing or grinding your teeth and you can kind of train yourself. And that really kind of gets to the heart of this whole thing, that it's an unconscious habit that you're that your body has said this is what we're going with for stress relief. So you're clearly stressed out, but you've developed a habit and you need to break the habit. And there's some other techniques that seem to work fairly well that are aimed at breaking this habit of grinding your teeth.
Yeah, I mean, I chewed I've always bit my nails and I used to massacre pens and pencils in school when I was like elementary school in high school. Yeah, I don't do that anymore because I literally stop myself from doing it because I know how bad that is for my teeth. But, you know, that's when I was a kid. I didn't have the, you know, the smoothest childhood and home life. So maybe that was that stuff coming out.
I don't know.
I wasn't stressed about like work and adult relationships and stuff. I guess, you know, maybe I was just had anxiety. I never dealt with in a in a healthy way.
I tend to think puberty is a pretty stressful event, too. So you're going through that will make you go through a few pain caps, you know. Yeah. What's happening down there, Doc?
Stressing me out. My thighs are all moist.
Oh, no. So Grine care. This thing I thought was amazing. I looked it up and I'm like, oh, here you go. This is what cure's teeth grinding.
Yeah, I went to buy one today, but I don't live in Germany, Denmark or Sweden.
That's the only place you can get them still. That's what it said on the website. Huh. So grindcore is a it's a headband they describe as a headband, but really it's these little modules that you put on either side of your temple, basically.
And it's a monitor that sensors, whether you are about to clench your jaw or not, grind your teeth and it shoots out a little pulse of electricity, says, no, I don't think so. And it relaxes your jaw.
I mean, as soon as I saw this, I was like, that's it.
That's the answer, man. Well, hey, like listeners in Denmark, Germany or elsewhere, give me one of these things.
Sweden. Yeah. Hook check up. Yeah, it's amazing that it's not available outside those three countries.
It really is, because it sounds like it works, they say that it reduces grinding by 50 percent. In the first three weeks, 80 percent between week six and eight, yeah, I mean, I was sold.
Maybe I can get my hands on one through the dark web. We found out. So we had this this portrait made of Momoh.
And the artist was featured in Harper's Bazaar Netherland's, and she had the portrait of Momoh in the magazine.
Oh, that's fun.
So, yeah, but try to get your hands on a Harper's Bazaar Netherlands edition. You can't do it.
I bet you could get one you me through. Like, you know what? I'll bet the stuff you should know AMI could help. So she went on to the Aspies Facebook Army pages like you just asked for help and got a bunch of people to offer, which is very nice that I am happy to report. I believe we're getting a few copies. That is fantastic. Yeah, I thought it was either that or flying to the Netherlands in the middle of a pandemic.
Well, in any other time that might be a fun little adventure. It could be, but it was cool because everybody was just so happy to help too, you know.
Yeah, we have the best listeners on the plane.
I drove to Vegas one time with my friend, you know, Johnny Pindel to get a t shirt and drove back.
Wow. What was the T-shirt? If I remember correctly, Johnny wanted a I heart New York.
No, I think it was a was it a Krispy Kreme Vegas or. Some sort of larger brand with the Vegas specificity, Hard Rock Cafe. I don't think it was and this was, you know, pre like you could buy anything on the Internet at all times. Right. So he's like, hey, you want to drive to Vegas? I want to get the shirt. And I was like, sure, let's do it now.
How long did it take you? I mean, it's from L.A. It's not far. Oh, I was thinking from L.A..
Good Lord. Now it's like, wow. Must have been one hell of a shirt even from L.A.. That's pretty, pretty impressive. Yeah, it's a common route. Did you guys engage in a huge drug collection spree first? Oh, sure.
And start seeing bats and then blew it all on amyl nitrate and blackjack.
Right. There was one other thing we should mention, though. There is a apparently something you can put in your mouth that's got a nasty tasting liquid. I guess it's like a gel pack or something. Yeah. That you put between your teeth. And when you bite into it, when you're asleep, that thing is punctured in that you get that nastiness in your mouth. But. Right. I don't know that that would work on me because I used to paint my fingernails with detergent that was in elementary school.
My mom didn't taste like it was just super bitter, like the most bitter thing you could ever imagine. And I just chewed right through it. That's great.
He didn't stop me. This was so from from what I could tell, it was just a patent somebody has OK, it looks like a a retainer. But then in the back where the molars are, there's packets and they suggested seawater or hot sauce. And I was like, jeez, it seems like it would wake you up. Apparently that's the point. I guess you just enjoy yourself and not grinding your teeth any longer because you just want to get some sleep.
Mm. So what do you think, Chuck, did this cure, you know, what's it going to take? I don't know. I'm not having that surgery and I don't like we're in the mouthguard I've worn. I wear the mouthguard sometimes when I know that, I know for sure I'm going through a particularly stressful period.
But it's just it's not comfortable.
You know, no one wants to wear those things or not.
Yeah, well, if you are listening to us and Germany, Denmark or Sweden, you hit Chuck up so he can get a crying care from you. That's right. And in the meantime, if you want to know more about teeth grinding, go check out the article written by Jordan Moscovitch called I can't remember what it's called. But anyway, just look at Jordan Moscovitch. I don't think there's more than one of them running around. And there's other stuff all over the Internet, too.
And since I said that, it's time for listener mail, by the way, I bet you there are at least ten dentists in New York City named Dr. Jordan Moscovitch.
You think so? Sure. Okay. Sounds like a dental name. You know, my first Dennis name was Dr. Tuttle.
Uh, that is a really great name in general. Yeah. Dr. Tuggle. That's a great name for, like, a cat, too.
Yeah. Dr. Tuggle. Dr. Tuggle.
One time I was in the airport, uh, this is when we had our dog, Buckley, and we called him Buckle's a lot.
And I was brought in. Delta was paging someone at the the little where you check in there and they said, paging Mr. Buckle's Mr. Buckles, can you come to me?
It just killed me. I immediately called him. I was like, they're paging Mr. Buckles. All right. I'm going to call this, uh, something that we got wrong. Sort of you get wrong on that. The heroin podcast's. And we heard from enough people about this that I thought it bore an email or a read.
Hey, guys, is a former opiate addict now almost ten years clean with lots of education and experience in this area.
I'd like to gently suggest that it should be noted on your recent very good episode on heroin in discussing the withdrawal detox period, Josh stated that if an addict were to get through that miserable week of suffering, then he or she would be essentially over the addiction. While it's true the acute phase of heroin withdrawal lasts about a week, addiction is a disorder far more complex and insidious and long term than physical dependency, which is only one aspect that a week's worth of detox can cure.
A secondary kind of withdrawal can occur known as post acute withdrawal syndrome pause in which the brain has to sort of recalibrate and heal from protracted dopamine imbalances. Pause can trigger episodes of anxiety and profound depression, which can even lead a recovering addict right back into active addiction. Moreover, addiction rarely happens in a vacuum. Most addicts need long term support, therapy and coaching. You weren't suggesting that's not the case, by the way.
Right to redevelop or develop coping skills that will enable him or her to live a drug free life. But recovery from addiction is absolutely achievable. It's not short or simple is a few days of nausea, aches and diarrhea. Thanks for all you do. That is from Jason in San Antonio.
Nice. Thanks a lot, Jason. Absolutely. Chuck, thank you for bailing me out on that. It's not what I meant, but I definitely should have been a lot clearer than I was.
Well, we should have talked about pause because that's a big deal. We heard from a bunch of people talking about pause.
But, boy, we heard from a lot of people that were current and former addicts. It was more so than our other drug podcast. It was really pretty enlightening and heartening and disheartening all at once. Yeah.
I mean, it really kind of got across, like just how widespread the opioid crisis is, you know, for sure.
Well, thanks to everybody who wrote in and hang in there to everybody who's still struggling with addiction of any kind. And thanks a lot, Jason. From Santa Fe or San Antonio. San Antonio. If you want to get in touch with us like Jason did, you can send us an email. Wrap it up. Spank it on the bottom and send it off to Stuff podcast and I heart radio dot com.
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