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Do the trashy pulp novels of the world have anything to offer our best sellers, all their hyped up to be the Terrible Book Club, explores whether or not you really can judge a book by its cover or its ridiculous synopsis.
If you've ever seen a book and thought the reading this, we probably are.
Hello and welcome to Episode 88 of the Terrible Book Club, I am Chris and this is Paris. Hello. This time we read Emeralds of Yours by Peter Guzzardi.
This is another bookstore finds by me. I was in the self-help section of some bookstore and I found this little gem here. I'll read the summary later. Paris wants to tell him what we're doing here, huh? Huh. Chris, you found a gem.
Yeah, Gem. You found an emerald. Yes. That was a joke. You found the journey.
I thought you said it without meaning to. I'm sorry. So if this is your first time listening to her book club, what we do is we read books that we assume will be bad based on their cover title summary or some combination thereof. So we do the opposite of what most people do when they're browsing in a bookstore or somewhere online. We specifically choose books that we think we will not like just to see if we're right to expose ourselves to new things and to really force ourselves to to be critical.
Sometimes we actually end up loving the books or liking them or being OK with them. We don't always hate them. They're not always terrible. But they they are a lot. A lot of the time they're terrible.
But in any case, for today, for content warnings, we have our usual barnyard language. Chris and I speak pretty casually and there's a fair amount of swearing. So be prepared for that. And God, unfortunately, once again, because the world is terrible, we do have to briefly discuss sexual assault and sexual assault, eating disorders and abuse.
Fun, yeah, cool. Great, have I read the summary? Yeah, go ahead, Peter.
Who's already spent decades as an editor working with some of the wisest writers of our time from Stephen Hawking and Deepak Chopra to Carol Burnett and Douglas Adams. Yet he couldn't shake the sense that everything he learned from working with them felt oddly familiar.
One day he had an epiphany. All that wisdom had its roots in a film he'd watched as a child, The Wizard of Oz, an Emerald of Oz.
Guzzardi invites us to join him on a journey through the classic film, unearthing gems of wisdom, large and small, about longing, joy, compassion, fear, power and having faith in ourselves.
He also creates a practical, ause based tool that we can apply to obstacles to our own lives. Now, like Dorothy, we can activate the magical power we possessed all along.
Written with the grace and insight of all I really need to know, I learned in kindergarten and divorce is an instant classic and sure to inspire a fresh perspective on this legendary movie and our own lives.
Yes, this is a weird fuckin premise for a book.
OK, hey, you want to help yourself? What about The Wizard of Oz? Have you considered The Wizard of Oz?
Have you considered this movie? Have you considered basing your life on this movie? Yeah.
Have you considered, like, literally revolving your entire philosophy around a surrealist children's book?
Yeah, it's a little odd. But, you know, I guess if you're trying to relate to people use having this device something that's popular in the public consciousness, I guess I can see that. But it really just feels the whole thing.
What what is what is my note about how the whole thing feels?
Oh, man, I can't find it right now, there's too many notes, but I think I said something about how this whole thing feels like someone's final paper in a philosophy class that they put together an our oh, film analysis. Yeah. It's like the night before your film analysis is final is due and you're like, I know I've watched this movie a bunch.
I can analyze that. I'm going to try to make sense out of this.
Next up, an entire philosophy life philosophy based on the film. Analyze that with Robert DeNiro.
My first note is positive. It says, I love the green glittery pages at the beginning. Yeah.
You know, he's leaving the USA like a little bit.
He's got some flair. You know what? This book looks nice. If it's got it was like the the layout was really well thought out. The the font and kerning is great. It's, you know, clearly it did. Yeah.
Clearly, Ed, Ed very well are some things that could have been edited more but. Yeah. Yeah.
But like we're very easy to read, we. No, no. Like misspellings or weird grammar issues or anything. So that was mercifully that was lovely. I was very happy that this was just an easy thing to consume. I really like the Rough-hewn pages inside of it, the green glittery front and back on the inside covers. Yeah. So like as a physical object and also in terms of the elements of the English language. Good. But the content actually I take that back.
I just looked at the cover and realized that it's it's printed totally upset. Oh well I didn't notice that the whole time. Chris send you a picture of this right now because I can't believe it by the notice that I didn't I didn't notice. I mean, opening the book, not looking at the cover that much.
So, yeah, I guess that's I guess that's true. But holy fuck, I got.
Well, can we let's just start with the fact that this literally was a thing that Peter Guzzardi himself said, like, hey, I just kind of brainstormed this in front of my publisher coworker. He was like, yeah, why don't you do that? And that's how the book was born. Oh, yeah, that.
Yeah, yeah. OK, so like more on the right side than there is like close to the binding of the book.
Like it's closer to the binding than the right one.
Yep. And it's also too close to the top, it's just not centered anyway. So that's weird. But other, other than the centering of the cover, text and graphics. It is fine. It's fine. It's good. So yeah. Yeah. Like I said, it just kind of it seemed like it was just kind of a the side idea this guy had and yeah. His coworker was like yeah. Just people by that I guess. I don't know.
And it took him five years.
I hate to laugh so hard, but he says it took him five years to write this like hundred twenty ish page book that doesn't really contain any deep analysis.
Yeah, I really feel like this is something you could have fleshed out and published within a year if you have other commitments.
So even to if you've got like a busy schedule.
Yeah. So I don't know, maybe he just maybe it took five years because you just didn't work on it a lot. Like I get that.
I mean, yeah sure.
If it's like a really side project thing a fine but yeah I guess, I guess I would, I mean you know, think about how often bands put out albums like, you know, we put out our EP in 2019 and I don't think our full length is going to see the light of day until like twenty, twenty two. So Fairpoint I guess.
But I mean, you know but yeah. Yeah. I guess the idea is like from this, the idea that's true. And the idea is like if, if he was working on it earnestly and often for five years, it's kind of laughable. But I'm I'm guessing he wasn't you know, this guy is obviously an established editor, has a you know, a real job, you know, things family, etc..
So anyway, um, I don't know. Oh, the company we have assigned, I, we just can't get rid of the we can't escape from the psyche by the used books and they all have authors signatures on them for whatever reason.
Yeah. Which keep getting lucky I suppose.
To me that's just not a great sign. Yeah.
Something about it screams like I find all the physical copies. Yeah. Or I just write them out in the world. I thrust them onto my friends and they were too polite, not too polite to say no. So then they got rid of it afterward. Yeah. I don't know. I have a lot of notes. I'm thirsty.
There's like a quote at the beginning from Krishnamurti, who is I guess arguably an important philosopher. But it just I'm not really I think the other problem with me is I'm not really into this kind of philosophy. Dislike. So the quote reads from Krishnamurti, There is no path to truth, truth must be discovered, but there was no formula for its discovery. You must set out on the uncharted sea and the uncharted sea is yourself. And to me, it just sounds like some target mom wall hanging level shit.
And even though I know that Krishnamurti is like an important philosopher for people, I am just not into. Stuff like this, with this whole kind of the vague and by stuff like this, I mean vaguely positive, wishy washy aphorisms like the uncharted sea is yourself like, yeah, dude, I get it. Like, we all have to seek our own troops in life and we have to tackle our own shit before we try to find any, like, ultimate truth.
I get it.
But what if you did it with Dorothy and her pals? And here's the other thing is I feel like starting this book with this quote kind of demeans this quote and the work of Krishnamurti because, you know, he's you know, he's like, well, well enough regarded philosopher.
So, yeah, I kind of like juxtaposing that with this this analysis, this one on one film analysis of The Wizard of Oz. Kind of weird, but I don't know, man.
I guess whatever makes you know, what do you consume a piece of art, it impacts you positively. That's cool. I just think it's a little cheesy. And I think this book overall could have done with cutting a lot of the content because it's so repetitive. And that's, I think, the biggest thing that Chris and I have a problem with. You know, jokes aside, you know, I think that if you if you want to try to, you know, spear your positivity into the world, that's fine.
Just maybe don't be so fucking repetitive about it, especially if you're an editor, especially if you're an editor.
So if you're a professional job, is that you're an editor? Yeah, I was really surprised by that, given his pedigree. Yeah. So anyway, so just to kind of give you an explanation of the structure of the book and the kinds of things we're talking about, it's split up into I forget what he calls the main points. No, the emerald or the big points.
He has a bunch of the emeralds of wisdom.
He has a bunch of small points and they're numbered. So it's one through 50, 60 something. Look, get there one through. Sorry, there's a bunch of shit at the back of the book that isn't part of this. One through 50 to. Yeah, OK, one three fifty two, so there's 52 pieces of wisdom, and then there are eight eight nine nine nine emeralds of wisdom, some of his big points. So they're sort of let me just read some examples.
So number 13 is showing up is at least half the battle. Forty one. Yeah, that's right. Forty one. Being afraid of fear only makes it worse. So befriend it instead. You know, it's just like these little phrases, aphorisms, what have you.
At the beginning, though, before he gets into the pieces of wisdom and then the emeralds of wisdom, he there's a forward and I don't know why I have I have a note that says fear versus water fight. I don't really remember what that was about. So I probably should have done a better job of taking notes.
Yeah, this is the problem. We like read books way before. Like we do an episode, we end up forgetting like, what the fuck is this. Yeah. Specifically what they and why we're fear of water.
Fire fear is the thing that keeps coming up in this book as like, hey, don't be afraid of things, but also be a little bit afraid of things because that's smart ass over itself a lot that way.
Yeah. So I have a note that says I can very much relate to the author's feelings regarding books being an escape. When you're a child and everyone hates you. He talks about just being a kid and being picked on and like, you know, not having friends and things like that. Yeah, I totally get that. Like, books were also my refuge as a kid.
I mean, totally. And he also told the story about how he he ends up making this one friend who becomes, you know, his best friend, and they go out and play in the snow and his dad forgets to pick them up. Yeah. So it was in the in in the cold snow. And they're like, that's such a long walk. And they were so young that they're like, OK, we got this was the Hershey's. But this box of chocolates, we get to live off of this till we get kids.
Jesus Christ. I know. I felt so bad. I was like, wow, this dad just fucking abandoned these kids in the middle of winter.
What are you doing that just makes you forget, like, oh, shit, I left my kid in the snow with his friend.
Like, it's not even like it was one child, it was two children that you abandoned the winter. And then there's like so I don't know. I was just like a kind of a funny anecdote. And then he says, oh, he had a mind altering experience because he went hiking basically without proper foresight about how elevation changes affect your ability to breathe. And I was just like, how do you go hiking and not think about that when people don't, you know, until you face it, you don't think about it?
I don't know. It's just kind of weird because you really go to plan your hikes. People plan your hikes. It prevents injury and death, plan your hikes, please. And by plan your hikes. I mean, get a map, know how to read a map, check trail conditions from other people on the Internet. It's pretty easy to do. Read up on the terrain. You're facing an elevation change. Make sure you have a plan. Make sure people know where you're going when you're supposed to be back.
And if not, they know where to look for you and who to call. Sorry, just just my two cents we had actually, Chris, Chris and I recently had a friend who misjudged Hiken, almost got stuck. So, you know, it's important. Yeah, I don't know. It was just weird that he was like, oh, I could barely breathe on this hike and it changed my life. Yeah.
Like an anxiety attack. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. God, that's I'm sorry. That sounds really insensitive. I didn't remember. You're right. Again, this is the problem with reading books a little too ahead of schedule. Sorry about that. Yeah, you're right. He did have an anxiety attack. I'm an asshole. Sorry.
Anyway, I can see how having your first anxiety attack could really change your your view of the world. I know. Chris, you have any insight on that? Yeah.
You know, I think in his situation it was like the elevation and like not being prepared for the hike that triggered it in a way.
Yeah, but he I, I think the reason he puts us in this book is that like, hey, you know, it's a fear thing which he keeps bringing back around.
And he he sort of has this like just work through. It will be fine attitude, which is like, OK, yeah, you should work on it.
But like I thought the only thing that yeah, it's not really how anxiety attacks work. You can't just be like, I'm fine and they go away. I mean, there are steps you can take to mitigate the effects and get through them. But it does seem a little like, I don't know, not productive. Yeah.
No way to approach. Yeah.
Anyway he there's a quote that I actually was, I was like, oh wow. This excellently. This is actually really fucking poignant right now. He says that we must fight the tendency to sleepwalk through our lives and awaken. And while that's a really kind of fucking pompous way to say it, I. I agree with the general sentiment, I think it is very easy to become mired in the day to day and become complacent with just kind of surviving and, you know, not really thinking about anything beyond you.
So don't do that.
Think about things beyond you. I mean, obviously, unless if you're unless you're in a really shit spot and like, you literally can't because you're your day to day is so hard and I get that. But yeah.
Well, I mean, like, the reason he brought that up is like he's always he's going through the film chronologically pretty much. And he's always like tying an aphorism or an idea like this.
And this is around the beginning of the movie where I think he's referring to like Dorothy Dreaming or something even or like.
Yeah, I think so. And then. I remember I'm sorry, and I was I remember reading this sentence in the foreword where he was like, we're going to talk about like Plato, Socrates, Freud and Young and how they're present in The Wizard of Oz. And I was like, can we not can we not talk about how Freud is present?
Can we is really he just brings up Freud a couple of times in your life because you young wrote a lot about dreams.
I've read the whole thing is very surface level film analysis, like, I don't know, in bringing up Plato or Socrates to, you know, me either. So, yeah, me neither.
So like, it's just the thing where he's just it seems like he's just trying to squeeze. He watches the movies like 500 times over five years, I guess, and just squeezes out every last bit of surface level analysis that he could. And it's not like inherently bad to, you know, analyze even on the surface a little piece of media like that.
But it's like, yeah, I want to encourage people to engage with the media they like and try to find out why they like it. I mean, that's like what we do on this show, right? Yeah.
But like, it seems like publishing it in this way is stretching a lot, especially when a lot of the ideas that he or aphorisms that he brings up are kind of you.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Sometimes four or five. Yeah. It's just the same shit over and over again. I also was confused by his. He seemed to he brought up Freud a lot more than anything else. Like a lot more than any like I straight up do not remember him talking about Emmanuel or Plato or Socrates. He brought up young once or twice. And you're talking about dreams because, of course, like that's Young's thing. But he brought up for it a couple of times.
And I know that Freud obviously is important to psychology and psychoanalysis, but hasn't so much of his ship in kind of like. Maybe not, do you bonked, but times aside, he sure, yeah, I'm pretty sure like people consider it. I don't know, yeah, like people aren't still using Freudian tactics, are they? I mean, obviously I have no specialty in psychology or psychoanalysis, but like, I just always remember Freud kind of being referenced with disdain because he thought everything was about how you wanted to fuck a family member.
Like that was this whole thing. Everything was vaginal or or phallic. Right. Like that was his whole deal. I don't know, I could be not all of it, but like a good portion of it, I could be talking out of my ass like I know obviously that he did a lot in terms of in terms of how he treated people like the whole the whole like dialogue between, you know, I never kind I always use psychologists, psychiatrists and therapists in the wrong way.
I know that they are different. I apologise. But those professionals and a patient and I, I don't know, I think that obviously his stuff is influential, but I don't know. Yeah. I always thought that his a lot of his stuff was. Yeah.
Like if you're not in psychiatry or psychoanalysis you're not probably using Freud techniques in contemporary times but.
Well you can do on a surface level analysis of a film and trying to pull out some basic shit then yeah. You probably might reference Freud.
Well, no, I think I think his his methods were fine. I just think the conclusion I think his methods were highly influential and maybe still stick today. But his conclusions about sexuality and and stuff like that were the things that were problematic. But again, I don't I'm not an expert on this, so please don't crucify me too hard. I mean, obviously, let me know what I'm wrong about. But I am I don't know. And maybe I'm just remembering things incorrectly.
But I, I personally just don't think of I don't remember Freud fondly based on what I remember reading about him and in philosophy.
But anyway, some wisdom here. Some emeralds of. Oh, yeah, they're so yeah, let's talk about, like, number one, the first the first little baby gem, there are no mistakes, only lessons. And yeah, I actually very much identify with learning that there, with learning that there when you're young, kind of being brought up with the idea that there's only a right and a wrong answer and clinging to the perceived right ones and having to unlearn that whole system throughout your adolescence and adulthood.
Because that has been my experience. Yeah.
Especially is like a music educator when you have to convince people to like, hey, just try something, make the mistake and learn from that. And that is part of the experience here is the goal is to not play perfectly. The goal is to play and get information from that and do it.
I still struggle with this every day. Like, just I was yeah. When I was a kid, it was like you either perfect or you were nothing. That was it. There was no there was no room for error. If you made any mistake. It was a failure. It was a total and complete failure that you were to be ashamed of. And so my whole life I've spent. Yeah, I still I'm still unlearning that stuff now.
I definitely have a perfectionist streak and it's. Yeah, it's tough. So so yeah, I was I just remember being like, oh wow. Do I am I agreeing with things in this book already. That's exciting. Yes. There's a lot of stuff in here that's perfectly agreeable. Yeah. Good and good advice. Yeah. Some of it, the content of it is not necessarily that there's some things like the next two points you have. It's like it's important to speak your mind when a child keeps trying to tell you something, stop and listen to them.
Yeah. Yes, sure.
Generally good surface level advice that everyone has probably heard and tries to implement on some level.
Yeah, but then, you know, the first emerald we get is listen to your longing. And I was conflicted about this, I don't know, Chris, how you felt, but I said I'm not sure because I think longing like this, the like he talks about, can actually lead to some pretty bad choices and people desperate for connection. I think that sometimes a lot I'm sorry, I need to clearly reference the text, because it's been a while since I read this for me.
I mean, like, you know, you should be truthful to what you actually want. Don't let other people's ideas of what you should and shouldn't do guide your decision making. And I think the sort of the blanching you had at it is the idea of like don't follow it recklessly, which I don't think he's necessarily encouraging you to do it recklessly.
But, you know, the. As we have seen before in many episodes of Terrible Bookclub, if you don't follow that, along with at least some self-critical consideration, it could be somewhat disastrous.
Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah. Well, and I yeah. I just think that sometimes people. I don't know. Yeah, I think I think you said what needs to be said, I'm going to shut up now. I don't know some of you I just skipped. And because I didn't have much to say about it, I don't think we need to go through every single fifty to bits and nine emeralds. But number 11, we both had issues with it was let me just read the exact.
Avoid regrets, honor your caregivers so that those those are tied statements, avoid regrets, colon, honor your caregivers. Chris and I obviously had a pretty visceral reaction was he even says, like, you know, oh, you know, your parents can always be perfect.
Even if they did bad stuff. You should learn to forgive them in the long run.
And I'm like, no, no, the answer is no, maybe don't hold on to a grudge and like, you know, get that control you.
But like, at the same time, you know, sometimes things happen that you can't just because people need to have consequences for that action. Sometimes the consequences of that action is their child's, you know, not wanting to talk to them.
Yeah. I mean, I think we've I think we've both spoken here and there on the show in the past about how we both had troubling relationships with certain parents and how, you know, in my case, I've completely I've become completely estranged from my mother by choice. And that was a great decision. If I and, you know, there are some of you out there are going to balk at that. We're going to maybe think I'm a terrible person, but.
I just think that these kinds of relationships are a case by case basis situation and telling you that you always need to forgive someone and accept them for their failings is dangerous.
Yeah. And he like there's a lot of assumptions made in that area, too. Like he assumes like the reader is definitely going to have children of their own to say that's never going to happen, where it's like, well, who's going to take care of you? And you're older. Like, I don't if I can do it, I guess until, like, my legs get so creaky that I can't stand up anymore than, like, that's it for me.
Yeah. There's definitely there's definitely an assumption of, like, the people that are reading this are exactly like me, which is a heterosexual white man with a wife and children. And like, if you're not that, you're all you're going to be part of that.
Yeah, there's just kind of this I it's not it's not like overbearing or even that obvious. I really think that child comment was probably the only thing that made me well, that and it definitely feels like this guy is pretty wealthy and privileged, by the way, that he writes about certain things. Anyway, I think that respecting your guardians is. Great, if if they haven't done horrible things to you, right, like, yes, treat your parents well, but there are limits to that and you should please, please be aware that there are limits and you do not have to feel like you need to forgive everyone who is just turning into like Chris and Paris also give advice through the lens of emeralds, of emeralds and emeralds of Oz.
No, it's like it's like sapphires of Emerald. Yeah, sure. Rubies and emeralds was sapphires with diamonds.
I mean, like, we can do this all day with, like, certain things that like are fine. Like showing up is half the battle.
GI Joe that works I guess. Oh.
And I also made another note of not to go back to a frightened young, but I have a note that says his connections to Freud and Young are just movie has dream. These guys wrote about dream therefore Freud and Young.
Yeah, that's about all that goes. Go showing up is half the battle. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of, you know number I, I think like, like Chris, like you were saying, you know, just trying is an important step you know. And no I don't eat too. I said I mean yeah. Do your best to be objective.
They all seem I mean because emerald water chaos, emeralds, Sonic the Hedgehog, you have to get all the chaos, emeralds and so on.
Oh, OK. That's what I was thinking about this whole time.
I was like, this is robot and it's like back door plane. Like he could get the chaos. I mean, so finally he's like, fuck it, I'll get those oars emeralds and I'll finally be rid of Sonic. Oh, that's brilliant.
See, I never played Sonic, so I'm I'm pretty estranged from the law of that world. So sorry.
I have all the emeralds of yours. I couldn't find out wisdom. Sonic, his dastardly, annoying crew. I know I can come up with a robotic thing to say there. That's OK.
Hey, so the other second emerald of wisdom is see the world as if for the first time, which is kind of like cleansing yourself of assumptions, which is why I made the note of like, yeah, you know, do your best to be objective, except one being objective is a disservice to the truth, which is, I think, a problem in the media and a lot of people who you like anyway, context is important.
That's also just like anything else like.
But a lot of the stuff like there's I think we're not like dropping in like from what particular scenes in the movie he's pulling this from, like how important is that really.
Like in general it's like, hey, you know, be you know, make give yourself the chance to make new friends because she makes friends with the Scarecrow and the Tin Man and the Cowardly Lion have calm and clear boundaries because Dorothy stands up for herself when you know, yeah, whatever that lady's name was, tries to take Toto, ask for help when you need it, like from the her friends, the Scarecrow and the Tin Man.
Yeah. Like, so No.14 is don't be fooled by appearances and don't take anyone else's word for what they mean. And yeah, I, I agree that, you know, I kind of liked the author points out that he's kind of doing that and not to take his word as gospel, like he's kind of self-aware and sort of like, hey man, don't even follow all this shit in here.
Just kind of see if it works for you or not, whatever, which honestly, he got some points for me there for The Sopranos. You know, that was good because there's definitely nothing I hate more than self-help authors who are like I am the way.
And the truth is just like, well, he's definitely not doing that. He's just like which I super appreciate how casual. I really appreciate how casual the tone is in this. I will say I really appreciate that for a self-help book because they're usually so heavy handed.
And in a lot of ways, self-help books can be kind of, I don't know, almost conniving in the way that. Yeah. Things. So I really like how casual the tone is, how he has some self-awareness. He's just like, yeah, man, you know, this worked for me. Maybe it'll work for you, but if not, that's cool. Too nice.
I think we have to go through this like agreeing and disagreeing with every point that we made, like a note on.
So like, I think it's just maybe with some of the lessons that he gives so that Chris and I have already recorded the two hour and 20 minute episode today and he has fucking done it like, dude, I don't that's not what type of book club is good for is just like reviewing aphorisms.
That's not what this is.
So like we can't be aphorism review club.
No but but like. Yeah.
So like the other stuff here that we generally agree with, which is like, you know, Emerald for compassion, I just have that is a good thing of course.
Well I think Chris, like I made notes because I wanted to talk about these things, so I'm sorry, but you don't get to tell me we don't talk about. OK, well, I'm going to have my compassion for you in that.
You took the time to write this down. Thank you. I appreciate your compassion.
We've learned from Peter, who's already in his Emerald of Oz, or I suppose and I also reflect that compassion back to you and appreciate that you don't want to dwell on this stuff. So I'll try to go fast and skip anything that's not I'll try to stick to the sonic, the wisdom of here that's being told to us. And I'm triguero fast and skip anything that will go fast. Fast.
I'm sorry. We're going to read this book real quick. And will the Big Three celebrate yourself and others for showing up, my note on that is, yeah, encouraging other people is cool and good and you should do it, but I don't love when that goes too far and people get celebrated for barely fucking doing anything or doing something very lazily. Yeah.
You know, like, again, anything here has limits. That's part of his like No.14 thing. He was like, hey, see what works for you. Right.
So we'll see how it works for us here at number 15 was just about calm and clear boundaries. And I was like, yeah, my man, fuck, yes. Calm and clear boundaries all about it. Love it. 16 is just filler. And I said, yeah, sorry dude.
The earlier points are crude. He's been indicted. Yeah. Can you read number 16 then, because this is the other major.
Major like the actual thing. This is the watch that annoyed me. Watch out for houses falling from the sky, especially if you're being wicked and the only entry for 16 is no explanation needed here. This good advice comes from comes a little late for the Wicked Witch of the East, but it's clearly having an impact on her sister. Huh? Huh. So I get like, ha ha.
Funny joke. Watch out for houses. But like, clearly you're just padding shit, dude, as an editor.
This is the thing you should be removing. Yeah, I know. And then the other main point here about editing and cutting stuff is there's just a ton of ideas repeated in different ways, like speak your mind pops up like four or three or four times and it just could have been caught, like you just could have cut all these extra ones. You just only had to say it once.
Yeah. Why wasn't that necessarily an emerald? I don't just, like, cut. Maybe you should just cut it down to the Emerald and had like larger chapters about that.
Yeah. That honestly would have also made more sense. I don't know. You made a note that there are a number 17 was about like not taking shortcuts or something. And I was like, yeah, I agree.
It was like the one thing actually that I really liked was like kind of more than a surface level analysis where when Dorothy is told to take the yellow brick road at first in the movie, there's like a spiraling out word of it before it goes down the main road. And she bothers to like kind of skip around the whole spiral before going down the road. And Peer's like, hey, there's a lesson in there, like don't take shortcuts, you know, do the whole process.
And I was like, all right, dude. Yeah, cool. I agree with that. Absolutely. Start at the beginning and take one step at a time, too. And this is a great like a lot of people try to take shortcuts with like fitness and health stuff. And I think that's a really useful piece of advice for handling those things. I mean, but handling anything really number 18 was just a repetition that could have been cut. 19 was asked for help.
And I was like, yeah, dude, I'm still learning to do this. Like, that's another thing that stems from. My whole yeah, sorry, this is turning into a, you know, Freudian episode of Tourbook Club where I'm just like, yeah, these are all my problems, guys, terrible psychoanalysis, psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud. I've got it all wrong. I don't think Sigmund Freud was an Italian pasta.
Hucker But okay. I don't know. You just sounded like a guy trying to sell inside of the fucking road.
I missed it all up these terrible nuki for this.
Right. Anyway, Mr.. Or Austrian, sorry for Austrian, right? Yeah, Austrian. OK. OK, sorry, said German. That was a wow.
Yeah. Like asking for help is really important and it's something I still struggle with, like in all aspects of my life. Ask Chris. He'll tell you once in a while. I'm like, Chris, I need a really huge favor. I hope it's OK. And if it's not, you can totally tell me to fuck off. And Chris is like, yeah, what is it? And I'm like, can you like, make an episode document?
It's like, yeah, Ferrus. I can, I can pull pull if I can I can do something for our shared hobby. That's fine. Yeah. So asking for help is good. You should do it. No. Twenty seems to contradict the speak your mind points from earlier when he was talking about how politeness can end in cowardice, which is something that I really. That's a point. That's the point I find really valuable. But he seems to kind of walk that back a few times.
So I don't know that that was kind of frustrating.
You know, him doing the thing mean he's just sort of like say like, hey, you know, maybe some of this works for you. Some of it does it. I'm just going to kind of spew what I think out here.
Yeah. Again, could have used a bit of a tighter edit in that regard. EFORE is Emerald the emerald for the you know, the big point is compassion, which is honestly something that is hugely important and something that took me way too long to learn. I don't know about you, Chris, but I feel like I feel like I have how fucking liberal and left I am. I wasn't always that way. Yeah, I was a shitty teenager too.
And it takes it unfortunately took a long time for me to kind of grow out of all that and and be more compassionate both both towards others and to myself, which is probably the one especially yourself most. Yeah. So yeah.
But like the number twenty one and twenty two are just compassion and then compassion gets repeated multiple times like even more than.
Can you read the headlines for 21 or 22. Just. Yeah sure. There was an idea of helping others. Gives you a boost too. And as you see the world so it shall be and just the text of those is just compassion like. Yes, obvious. Sixty three to sixty four. I have a note that clearly I need to read something from that's pages sixty three to sixty four not.
Yeah I have, I have a note that says that's right.
The Wizard of Oz was telling us to tear down capitalism too. And I don't, I'm just going to have to find that passage. Yeah.
Once you read that bit aloud just to clarify. Oh. Expand those ripples of compassion ever more widely to include everyone in your region, your state, your country and the world. Farther and farther out they go into your loving kindness, encompasses the entire universe. Sorry, I'm just skipping ahead over and over, compassion transmutes the raw materials of Oz in ways that makes Dorothy's journey such a golden success. The Land of Oz, you'll notice, is not transactional in the film.
Dorothy never pays for anything, not for that cab ride or that visit to the Beautician in Bombs book. She's offered food and drink and lodging along the Yellow Brick Road. Yeah, money never changes hands orses utopian in a way that the world we're living in is not. And one message Dorothy's dream conveys is that deep within us, we aspire to such generosity. What in what way small is a smile or big as a squirt of oil and a rusty stranger?
Oh, well, that's something I forgot about that can in what way can you and I hope, bring this aspect of us to life?
He's telling you to cross your KARVELAS oppressiveness, get rid of all the money. We don't need it.
The perfect utopian society is not transactional. No money is exchanged. Yep. Sorry, I just had to point that out. I'm 23 and 24 are just they just seem like the same thing and he could have put them together, which are we're not the best judges of ourselves.
And when it comes to assessing ourselves, we may be getting it completely, but backwards. Yes. So same thing. Yeah. I don't know why you separated those. E5 is you already possess what you desire most. And I said I don't totally agree because I think having confidence is good and not letting hurtful shit get you down. But ignoring everyone's criticisms of you is probably not healthy either. Plus, I said plenty of people lack wisdom, heart or courage.
You know, trying to say that everyone just I think I think maybe everyone has the ability to learn those qualities if they don't already have them. And some people sherd kind of, through their lived experience, acquire those early and just kind of have them. But I don't think it's fair to just say that, like, everybody's got wisdom and whatever heart is really develop them over time.
And that comes from within yourself. Sure.
But like, you know yourself to work at things.
And yeah, again, having confidence is good. Like I said. But I do think it's a tough balance, right, to listen to criticisms, criticisms of yourself and to try to recognize whether they're valid. But you need to do that work.
You can't just ignore everything everybody says about you. That's negative.
I don't think you should let it be. Obviously, like there's a fucking line. Like some fucking Internet troll is like you're a fat, dumb idiot. Like, I don't give a shit about that.
But if a friend of mine is like, hey, Paris, I think sometimes you can be fucked up, that dumb idiot, I'd be like, oh, man. Chris, you want to explain to me why I'm a fat, dumb idea? And if Chris is like, well, here's my short thesis on why you're dumb idea. I'm like, well, Chris, you know me pretty well.
I guess I need to decide if, you know, I would never even say, no, I don't either, so.
Oh, but idiot. Totally.
I mean, first, you are in valid criticisms, but idiot obviously like we're just having a laugh, but. Yeah, but no, I like poor Chris has been my friend for so long and he's to put up with me being a stubborn fucking piece of shit. I can be really stubborn. So I appreciate that. Chris has told me a few times how I am stubborn and it is frustrating. And so that has helped me be less stubborn over time.
Anyway, that's just think you're welcome.
They should be humble. You fuck they have to have confidence. That's what Pete said. Yes, in me all along to criticize you, you had the courage and hard to beat me down to me.
Yeah, perfect example of how these things can backfire.
Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Twenty five is something said from an extreme place of our place of extreme privilege. Number twenty five is the best things in life are free. And I was like, yeah, if you have all your free basic needs met, I think it's important to value human connection. But yeah, it's not that easy for everyone. My dude, not everybody wakes up, you know, able to pay all their bills in a safe community where they're not threatened.
I just think it's kind of it's kind of insensitive to be like the best things in life are free.
Who after a certain point.
Sure, but you still need food and food is good and it costs money for like food is one of my favorite things in the world and it costs money.
Also, I just like to point out that my favorite mean meme where I feel very sene, there's this meme of a really chubby cat curled up in bed and the text reads How I sleep knowing food is good and I get to eat more of it tomorrow. And that is one that's saved up. My vote is. Yeah, that is just how I feel all the time.
Yeah. That's honestly it's a lot of my reason to like wake up tomorrow. But hey, who is there tomorrow.
I'm not even kidding. Like sometimes I'm like, oh I just eat dinner and I have a little dessert so, you know, I really shouldn't eat but I'm like, oh, but if I go to sleep, I get to wake up and eat again.
Like I'm putting down the time before, I'm cutting down the time between me and my next snack and.
All right, let's keep on going down the yellow brick road of wisdom.
Oh, twenty six. I said heart agree. Except don't get too caught up in that or you'll find yourself in indecision. Yeah. You have to like read these.
No comparison. You have context. Twenty six is keep an eye out for the law of unintended consequences. And that just means, you know, consider the consequences of your actions which is reasonable. But like I said, you know, I think someone like me, I can get really too caught up in all the possible permutations, you know, you know, like red string on a on a board full of newspaper cutouts, kind of like. Yeah.
You know, a little too crazy about desperately trying to make the exact right choice every time. And I that can definitely paralyze you.
So what paralyzes me most of the time when I'm just making music, which is like the blade, like now what's the best thing to do?
You need to just do number twenty seven is you can face anything when your arm in arm with friends. And I was like, yeah, friends are cool. Why does this need to be said, please cut this.
That's I guess maybe you could have rolled that into like the ask for help thing too. Like you could. This could all be condensed.
Number twenty eight though, which is basically skipping is always a quick pick me up.
And Chris said, I know I've never skipped once in my life. It seems like it would hurt my knees and it doesn't really seem like that efficient or I don't know, maybe like I would just rather jog.
Yeah. I was also like this could have been I know he was just trying to make a joke, but it's just the jokes are so corny, though. Yeah. It's just like such comedy tonight.
You can't laugh or be afraid at the same time. I know is fucking try me. I laugh when I'm uncomfortable in front of sametime. I'm full of laughter and fear simultaneously. Huh.
That's my imitation. Sounded kind of. Oh, wow, OK, that's the thing that happened. Oh, speaking of fear, laughing Now looking back, confront those fears, the example, which is what number 30 want you to do.
Fear is nothing to be ashamed of. But I was just like confronting your fears. Absolutely. Very healthy and necessary.
But he makes it seem like it's so easy when it's really not it's not easy. You afraid of them?
It's not easy. Number thirty one is don't be seduced by pretty poppies. And hilariously, he doesn't make the direct connection between poppies and opium. He talks about he's like, oh, just be afraid of them because they're like too pretty to be good, like too good to be true. And I was like, you know, you could have just went straight for the opium connotation, but he didn't. And that whole passage just makes addiction seem like something that's kind of easy to conquer.
And it's not.
Yeah, he's got a little bit of that, like just kill yourself out of it. I mean I mean, he talks about doing group therapy for, I guess, an eating disorder.
Yeah. He's a he's struggled with food and it was like an addiction for him. And, you know, he did group therapy. And I guess it really helped him get to a healthier place, which is great. But there's just a little bit of it like, yeah, you know, just take action and it'll be fine, I guess. I guess for me, I'm thinking of like drug addictions and how difficult those are.
I know food is you know, we just talked about how much we love food, but yeah, I don't know, I guess it just comes across as a little too simplified for a topic that is. Really nuanced and complex, so No. 30 to just be cut, because it's a repetition of speak up, ask for help, three, call it a higher power. Well, if you've ever listened to TV, see, you know why we have no problem with that.
Nope, nope, nope. Just generally just a toxic idea to me. Like, I understand that admitting you need help is a huge step in it. And maybe the thought of a higher power can bring you to help yourself, you know, through thinking that or having faith in something that's guiding you.
But too often, prayer and higher power stuff is really used as a way to think you did something when you didn't do anything because you prayed and that's it. And that's all you did.
You got to do the action. Part two guys.
Yeah, I also feel similarly. Yeah, I feel similarly, I think that I think that people, you know, I have no problem if people have a faith that's healthy for them that they engage in, hopefully. Yeah. Just going to repeat myself like this fucking book, you know. But like you said, prayer and faith can often be a reason for inaction and not really doing anything to help yourself because you're just like, oh, God will take care of it or the goddess will take care of it or nature will take care of it or whatever, whatever form your deity or deities take.
So you need to take the action yourself. Yeah. And I said my note my note to your note was hardest degree of all time flex arm emoji. So please, please pray responsibly. That's our note for number 23. Somehow there's no one here that angels are vampires. And I was like, oh my God, vampire Viking Angels confirms. Yeah.
You know, that's the Wizard of Oz that he finally found them all a callback to episode, I don't know, 40. I think something the angel had fangs or something.
Yeah. Yeah. I also don't even know.
I'm looking to see where the fuck that even came from because it was like this is the point where like they're getting in the movie where they're getting to the witches wicked witches castle. Because I had a note about like that.
I'm thinking about it like if the Wicked Witch was like weak to water, why does she have a bucket of water hanging around in her castle that Dorothy could splash on her accidentally when she don't want water anywhere near you?
I don't know, man. I just want to wash the floors. Right. Well, yeah. Also, you know, you got to keep this evil palace clean.
Also, I was informed by Rebecca that in Wicked, if you know what that is, it's like the musical book about like the true story of the Wicked Witch of the. Oh yeah.
I've never read it or seen it. I don't fucking know anything at the end of that book. It's like, oh, the water didn't really kill her. It was just her excuse to like fade away and not have to deal with anything.
So retcon that. I mean, that's fine I guess. Sure. I mean, she was a witch so she could have made it seem like she was melting it.
Weird wicked cast. The Wicked Witch is more of like she's going against like the almost like tyrannical nature of like the other good witches. And she's just trying to define herself.
Oh, OK. I see. OK, well I don't know. That's interesting. Maybe I just I remember when I was in high school, it was really popular and I never liked any of the songs the other theater kids would sing.
So I never checked it out. I thought I thought they were really lame and I wasn't into it.
I just know that one line from that one song, so I don't even know something. I could defy gravity that did it. Yeah, it's wicked lame. It's not good. It's not good. Why do people like this. Why do you like this. Sorry listeners. I'm just.
Yeah I'm just doing drive by wicked roasts.
I'm really particular with musical theater that I like because I spent a lot of time working on musicals and plays and yeah. Just a just a pain in the ass about it.
So sorry all if you enjoy that, that's great. I'm not trying to take away from that, just not for me. It's not for me to continue on.
So I can't find the note where he says the angels are vampires. I don't know where I got what the fuck what the fuck were they talking about. We'll never know. Paris. Oh, I found it. I found it. My friend Jerry is a big believer in angels, but he tells me that they have an unusual limitation. They can't work their magic in your life without an invitation. They need your permission to cross the threshold. Angels are vampires confirmed?
Yeah, that's it. Confirmed number thirty four is the same as thirty one. Please cut one of them. Thirty five is just be courageous when it's safe and convenient. Yeah that was way too easy guys. Yeah. Yeah. Don't yeah. Don't, don't worry about being courageous when it's actually hard. That kind of sucked because he's like oh you know it's not, it's not a lot of the next ones are just rehashes.
Yeah. No thirty six. Thirty six is actually not trying. Can be helpful. Sure. Yeah. Great.
You can throw in there. You could have thrown crying can be cathartic in like a bunch of the other other chapters. You know. Humility is cool and good. Number thirty seven. Yep. Agree. Face what you fear.
That's just the same as thirty and again. Thirty eight is also a rehash of courage. Fear is especially egregious.
Let me read that for you in terms of villainous.
Again when the sky blackens with winged monkeys run and the only text under that heading is just a smiley face emoji. Yeah. That's the worst one.
That's the one that pissed me off the most. I was like, you're charging people money for this. Do you have some respect?
Yeah, that's not cool. Number forty was a good leader. Keeps a light hand on the reins of power. And I was like, this is another balance thing. No, it's like yeah. Being a despot isn't great, but like you need to recognize when you have to be the one to make an executive decision to not delegate everything, you know, actually you should read the note as you wrote it passed, which is.
Yeah. Being a depo.
Well, at least I read it on my own typo in my mind. Yes. I appreciate people would be that great either because you got a hold shit all the time and people are shipping stuff in and out of.
Chris, I reached the I reached the fifth dimension of being a literary critic. Yeah, there you go. A number 41 is just fear. Courage again and I know is please stop repeating shit. Number 42, compassion, manners again. Please stop. Good Lord, no. 43 is also compassionate. 44, compassionate again. Oh, God.
How would you just read the titles of like forty two three for sure. Which is all compassion for to killing with kindness actually works. 43. Consider the possibility that inside every winky guard brandishing his wicked spear resides a fearful person waiting for someone courageous enough to set him free. Number 44. Even winged monkeys have a back story that makes them less frightening. It's the same number. Forty five.
Whether or not we keep our promises says a lot about who we are. I mean, I feel like that's tied to compassion. Two 46 is just speak up for yourself again. It's just the same ideas repeated over and over again when, like Chris said, he really could have condensed them into like, you know, five or five or six or ten, I don't know, tightly edited seven chaos emeralds.
Just put them have those be the chapter titles and put all your different points because he's trying to present it like chronologically like you're watching the movie along with him and reading the book. Yeah. Which I think just ruins the flow of everything when you could have had just like the compassion chapter and all the parts in the book or in the movie that represent that.
Actually the next one is like one of my favorite parts of this Emerald seven, which is pull back the curtain and see things as they really are. I really like this because he posits that adults and authority figures don't always have your best interest in mind. And it's good to question that. And I was like sick. That's a great piece of advice. But then he then he takes a turn that I don't like, which is kind of where he's like, replace them with God or something.
Yeah, God damn it. I don't know that he outright says that, but it's kind of like that.
Hey, your faith is the most important thing to follow. Exactly.
But I really like the point he makes in this section of Fuck the Wizard who represents the patriarchy and embrace your role as a powerful woman in this fucked up fantasy society. Fuck. Yeah. So yeah, down he does me. He makes a point a couple of times about how everyone in The Wizard of Oz who has most people who have a lot of power are women and they're kind of the driving forces helping Dorothy along and stuff. And I was like, oh, that's kind of a funny thing I never noticed.
So that's cool. I'm forty eight. Forgive and forget isn't quite that simple and it's not always appropriate. We've already talked about that when we talked about the whole parent thing. I'm forty nine. Just compassion again. Fifty just kind of boils down to like if you can afford it travel more. Yeah. It'll, you'll get a little bit of a privilege thing but yeah it helps, it definitely helps expose.
It's also part of the compassion thing too. Yeah. You know. Forty seven you said it's like. Yeah.
One of my favorite ones because the header there is experience plus validation equals confidence and yeah that's a totally valid way to look at where like you need to get the confidence, you have to have the experience of working on something and then a little bit of validation from your outside peers. It shouldn't all be validation. It should be a combination of both a little bit. And that's how you get that inner fire to keep doing what you're doing, man. Right.
And so that's another part I really like. Yeah, of course. You want to talk about your next your last couple notes there.
Because it's like the final two things like number fifty one is just get a dog, which is weird because it's like yeah, yeah, dogs are cool but like not everyone can do that. Like also don't just get a dog just for like some because a book about wisdom in Wizard of Oz told you to.
Yeah. There's so many reasons that I don't like that. It's like I love dogs but I don't own one because I don't feel like I have the time or capacity to really give one the love and care it deserves. So I don't own one. And I don't think we need to convince people to adopt animals they can't take care of because that happens at a frightening rate already. So, you know, I'm also like some people are allergic. Some people are scared of dogs.
Some people don't like them. I don't know. It's kind of a weird thing to just throw in there. And then your other note, which is also a weird thing to just throw in there.
The last piece, number fifty two. Can you read the header for number 52?
It's all about the shoes. It's just get some nice shoes that give you more confidence I think is the point. I don't know. I mean, like. Having the right footwear is important, but it does seem a little thrown in there.
There's something to be said for that and everything, but it just seems like filler jokes, not even dressing well, dressing appropriately like and what I mean is like, hey, if you're going to start running, go and get fitted for running shoes. I know that isn't always possible for everyone, but if you can get fitted for them because the people, the running experts will put you in a shoe, it's going to keep you comfortable and prevent injury.
They put your whole body in the shoe and instead of running, you just roll down the street a shoe or, you know, if you're if you're doing any sort of activity, you just put some time into the kind of shoes you have, I guess. But this seems like a really weird time to be giving you advice. OK.
The last emerald. You've got the power and you've had it all along is just E5 again, which was, of course, any Post-it notes I ran out. Oh my God. I need Post-it notes for our next book. Actually, number five is just you. Are you. Because that's what you desire most, which is the same as you've got the power and you've had it all along. Yeah. So two of the emeralds are the same.
We can already knock this down and just make it to seven chaos. Emeralds like Sonic's truly needs.
Yeah. And then the last quote from Dorothy and Glenda. The last quotes from Dorothy and Glenda kind of go back on everything and they're best summarized as like don't go too far from home and just appreciate what you have and definitely don't grow as a person, which is why it's so obvious.
So, again, I don't know what he was like throwing whatever at the wall and being like, here's some ideas. TriZetto Blah, blah, blah.
Yeah. And yeah, like I said in my some of my some of my final notes are, you know, I kind of I'm not really down with this message of settling for what you have, what's good enough, you know, don't become a slave to perfection, but don't just settle like I don't know, page 119.
I said it's like we're reading being in time. Can we don't know what that. No.
Here's the point where we bring up the fact that this man worked with Stephen Hawking. Yeah.
On his, like, very famous books that he put out and like, oh, I'm sorry, I found a passage where I felt like I was reading Being and time again. Dorothy has discovered a conduit to the vast realm of the collective unconscious, the home to which she's referring is less a physical place than it is a feeling, unless a feeling that it is a state of being.
In fact, it is the ground state of all being. This is the spiritual infinitude from which each of us rises up briefly in this lifetime like a wave on the ocean individual yet wholly connected before falling back to merge with the endless depths from which we came. Dorothy's true home and yours and mine is the boundless wellspring of creation, the divine force that animates every religion and imbues every aspect of the universe with energy. Home say it slowly.
Oh, and this just sounds like so true, man.
You need another hit song.
Yeah, it just sounds like when I was reading being in time and trying to understand the definition of the sign and like anyway, sorry, if you're a philosophy nerd, that might make some sense to you. It just kind of just makes this movie seem way more.
It's pretentious, I guess, saying it's pretentious. He's kind of going off the rails when he starts talking about the explanation of the English word home being sacred home, say it slowly. The letter H contributes what's known as a voice voiceless sound. Let that go. And what's left vibrates from your vocal chords.
In the ancient Hindu wisdom tradition, all of creation sprang from this word sound ohm. It's the original sound within which everything is contained. As one of the great Vedic texts puts it, whoever knows this one syllable contains all that he desires. Oh is the primordial mother. Ohmes is the home we all carry within us. I can't pronounce. Yeah, it's wo Pete. He yeah he. So he starts talking about home and really going off the rails there which I don't appreciate.
I think that's just trying. Wait that's just pushing it. It's taken away too far. Yeah.
I just casual tone got ruined because all of a sudden the mushrooms kicked in. Yeah. Oh I said the end is like a very Keran fucking ending and the whole thing feels really silly because at the end he's trying to market like a to remember the summer mentioned a tool. He's trying to kind of say this manual is going to help you fix things in your life. And you're supposed to ask yourself, like, what would Dorothy do? Like WW Deepti?
Yeah, there's there's a little Jesus. You're supposed to, like, go through the emeralds in a like not even certain passages, like just think about all eight of those emeralds and see if they apply to your situation. Yes. Later. Thanks for the five books. Yeah. I think well, I'm sure this temporary charge way more than five bucks for this. But anyway, I think that I hope that the humility he had earlier about how, you know, this wasn't the way the truth and the life or whatever, I hope that that I hope it's obvious and that people don't I don't know.
I guess people can do whatever the fuck they want, but I just really don't like people trying to tell you what to think.
Yeah, I don't know. And you had some notes. I really didn't know that about it, man.
Well, because at the end, after it's over, he gives you the tool for like just think about all the emeralds when you're having a problem. And then he does a little bit of talking about the production of The Wizard of Oz of the film. There's like some facts in there which we got into because so Chris had some notes about how because there are some mentions in the back.
This is this is where we're going to talk about some eating disorder and sexual assault stuff. There's some notes at the back where MGM said MGM thought Judy Garland was overweight as a child actress and Chris was really surprised. Yeah, I also didn't know about this. And then there's like a know about the director slapping Judy to get her to do a scene properly. And I was also so coincidentally, maybe two weeks before we were a week or two before we read this, my boyfriend was actually like made some casual some joke about the Wizard of Oz production.
I was like, oh, that was kind of tasteless. And he was like, no, no, that really happened. I was like, what? And he went on to explain to me that even though Judy Garland never made these claims, her husband and several other people that worked in the production said that she was like forced to take drugs to try to keep her weight down. She was put on this, like, really intense exercise program.
She's basically just constantly told she wasn't attractive enough. They tried to make her wear like a wig and stuff.
And she was a child actress at this time. She wasn't an adult.
And there are also claims that she was physically abused, like, you know, the director smacking her and things like that. And also she may have been sexually abused or raped by cast members, particularly the folks who played the Munchkins. But, you know, I don't know how much I don't know what the you know, because she never made the claims while she was alive. I've I'm not you know, I'm not like a fucking film historian. I'm not going to go into the details.
But just finding that out and seeing that, I mean, at least he touched upon it. I was I was he does he just like, take bad shit happens? Yeah.
I kind of wish later. Yeah. I kind of just wish that he was he had spent more time talking about all this problematic shit. He just kind of states things and continues on without engaging with how fucked up this stuff is.
So that was a little unfortunate. I think that if you're going to try to say like, hey, this movie is a is a positive force for good and also spend the whole book being like, hey, don't take things at face value, look behind the curtain like you're probably going to use a little more curtain. Peacon is all I'm saying.
You know, the major issue with the with the whole text here is that it's extremely shallow, it's shallow and it should have been more closely edited for repetition in the content.
Oh yeah. And there's also like a note in here about he. It was necessary to say that Margaret Hamilton was comfortable with her, that she wasn't physically attractive. I was like, why do we need to talk about this? Why do we need to say that? Oh, hey, one of the actresses wasn't hot. She was totally cool with it. And like, I don't know, I was just it just annoyed me because it didn't seem like a detail that needed to be discussed.
And I'm just. And after you spend all this time explaining how Julie, Judy Garland was, like, persecuted for her appearance, like what? We got to keep talking about this now. Like, we got to keep talking about how women in the film looked. Anyway, it was it's a very minor note that I have. It was like one sentence, but I was like when I read it, I am me.
And my immediate reaction was I yield my time. Fuck you. What a hero of a generation that you don't know what that is. Just look up. I yield my time, fuck you.
And I'm sure it will because I think I had, like, just watch that or recently anyway. Yeah. And so I guess we're done talking about the book. Oh wait. Do we want to say how we can fix it? Because I have a story for after we're done with the book. I mean, you know, my thing is like this again, it's just a shallow take on it. I'm sure there are more in-depth analysis of The Wizard of Oz as a film out there, maybe not in the sort of like self-help sort of oriented thing.
But like a lot of the things in here are just like, you know, the same shit we see in other self-help books.
Stand up for yourself. Fear is the mind killer. Be compassionate to yourself and to others.
Like, sure. Great saying that shit. I've heard that before a bunch of times.
Could you at least maybe tie it into the into the movie a little bit deeper or even give me better strategies and just think about the emeralds.
I'm look, I can't just maybe if I want a better film analysis, that's a different thing. But like a lot of this just rubbed me is like a side project that got pooped out on the side.
And I it kind of all right, I guess, because it doesn't give you straight up terrible advice all the time. But why do I need it to be in a Wizard of Oz format?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's it's a little silly, I guess, to fix besides edits I guess, and stuff. Yeah. Like, like I said, my, my two concerns were not really engaging with how problematic the film production was. And secondly, not having the content cut for repetition and and just being more streamlined, which, you know, you would hope that as a famous and successful editor you would have done. But he didn't.
So I know those things where, like, I just don't see the value if you're not going to put more work into it. Yeah, I mean, I guess.
But in terms of self-help books, I mean, I think this one is definitely a lot better than any of the other ones who've Treuhand. You know, I'll give it that short.
If I had to give someone a self-help book, this one wouldn't be the worst.
Yeah, for sure. Like, I think that I think that there's plenty of good to be taken from it. But you do have to kind of read it with a critical eye like any self-help book. And I always worry that people don't do that when because typically when people are reading self-help books, it's because they're desperate for a fix and they're more inclined to believe and trust in what they're reading. But anyway, I don't think there's anything too dangerous in this.
I think it was written. From a good place with good intentions, right? Yeah, and though Austin can be cute, I guess I just wish that there was a deeper connection than like, hey, they talked about dreams.
So Freud, right? Yeah. I'm just not I'm not into cutesy, overly positive shit like this. That's the other problem for me.
It's a little impractical is how I feel. And I just you know, when there is like a veneer of of white male privilege all over it, you know, which is hard to ignore, especially in the times in which we live. So there's that. But I don't think again, I don't think this guy is like to I don't think he's too off the mark. I think that he was just trying to you know, he was just trying to do something with his focal point right off his totem for his.
Yeah. You know what?
You know, it's fine that this is out there, I guess. But just a little bit more effort next time maybe.
And center the cover, please. I just. I know I know it's not your fault, but your talk to your publisher, because that really is frustrating. Yeah. Sorry. So my other story doesn't that is only tangentially related is when I was a stage manager as a teenager, I worked on a production of The Wizard of Oz and it was the craziest show I've ever worked on. I don't know where to begin. It was a huge show.
And even even though I did theater stuff in high school, I know that sounds kind of like, you know, not a big deal, but we had a full sized proper theater with like a a large audience base, full catwalk. You know, we had like a we had lighting and audio booths at the back where you could call the show. There were full wings. We had a whole prop basement like it was for some reason, despite the fact that I grew up in, like, kind of a shitty area.
I guess when the high school was built, the the you know, the city must have been more prosperous and they put a lot of money into that theater. And so, like, we had a fucking proper theater on shows. And so, you know, when I was running productions, it was like it was, you know, a real production. And The Wizard of Oz one was just man, it was a great it was a great production.
It was it was really good. But good Lord, just crazy shit happened. Like we had 60 children as extras to play the munchkins in addition to the regular high school cast, which is an absurd amount of people in a production. Wow. Yeah, too many children.
It's too many children. It's too many people. We had these huge elaborate sets because we finally had hired a real technical director because for a while they were like trying to expect me to be the stage manager and the technical director. And those two things are very different, like technical directors build scenery. I did not know how to fucking build scenery and props. So thank God they hired this guy who was a he was like a dad to somebody and he was fucking awesome.
And he and the crew, like, we built these, you know, we all worked together to build stuff. But, you know, obviously, like designing and directing that building was not my forte as a teenager. So we built these fucking beautiful, huge assets, but they were unwieldy and dangerous. And one night during Somewhere Over the Rainbow, my crew fucked up. They were they were late on a cue, like I called the queue.
I don't again, I don't know how much sense any of this makes to people listening. I'm sure a lot of you were fucking reform theater, the theater theater nerds out there. I called the queue. They responded a little late for some reason, and they rolled over Dorothy's foot while she was starting right before she was about to start somewhere over the rainbow. Really going to help her that octave, though, do it. So she was like full tears singing the song and the audience went wild.
They were like, oh, my God, that's the most emotional, real version.
But oh, and I hate to laugh, but poor Sam. Oh, my God, Sam. The woman who played Dorothy. I only mention this because her name's Samantha Johnson and she is an amazing vocalist to this day. She has done a lot of stuff. And if you're interested in hearing somebody with a fucking fabulous voice, like check her shit out, she's great with a crushed foot who can sing with a crush for at night.
God, I felt so awful. I mean, she got fucking mangled like she was injured. I felt horrible injured.
And then, I mean, a bunch of little things happened that I can't even remember. I mean, it was just a shit show. Like I was working so much I don't even know. I was basically just made of black coffee at that for those few months of my life. There was another night where. There's a part in the in the musical where I think it was actually intermission, where the second act starts with the Wicked Witch of the West giving a monologue, kind of unlike a sort of darkened stage where she's just spotlit and the rest of the stage is dark in the orchestra pit is below her.
And so, you know, it's intermission and we're coming we're about to come back and, you know, the Wicked Witch gets up, gets on the stage, and she's waiting for the spotlight to hit her because that's her cue to start a monologue. And, you know, I'm like, you know, spot, spot three, you know, stand by, spot three, go. Because you always stand by your cue and then tell them to go.
So get them prepped or whatever, and it doesn't happen. And I'm like, yo, what's going on? You missed your cue. Like, Hello, someone someone someone get to get that happening. And they're like, I don't know, the lights just aren't turning on. And I was like, what? And all we could see is the orchestra pit lights on. And, you know, those are like really faint. They're just so the musicians can see their music down there and we're just like, what the fuck?
And all of a sudden, so. So in order to operate a stage show like I'm calling as the stage manager, I'm calling the show from the back of the house. So I'm up in the the the booth that's like above the audience all the way at the back of the theater. And I have to assistant stage managers on either wing to run things on the ground. And I hear one of the crew get on the headset and they're like. My friend, my friend, Ashley, she goes Paris, it smells like dead people fucking down here, like, whoa, what?
And she's like, Oh my God, it smells awful. It's kind of smells like wires burning. I was like, oh, fuck. I look at the the the lighting guy lighting and sound guy. And I'm like, hey dude, I think there's an electrical fire in the bathroom and he fucking rips it just runs through the dark audience right through. And I was like, damn it, why did he run. People are going to panic, but luckily no one really noticed.
So he runs to the party room, which is like off of the off of one of the wings. And sure enough, the patch board was on fire. Oh, so we're like, OK. And before we know that there is actually a fire, I'm like, OK, here's the plan. Like, Hey, can someone crawl to the orchestra pit? I have someone to crawl to the orchestra pit in the dark to tell them to point there, to point their lights up towards the Wicked Witch so she can give her monologue so we can at least stall for some time.
And I and and like because I don't know, the orchestra lights are working because they must have been on some other circuit, you know, or like plugged into some extension cord that ran to something else. And somehow we were able to run the rest of the show, like the dude, like put the fire out and was able to and like some of the patchwork was still working. So we just, like, swapped the cables around and we ran the show anyway.
And I know as an adult, I'm like, well, that was really dangerous. Yeah. Hundreds of people could have died, you know. But yeah, it went on. It was fine. It was good.
And I yeah, I was just longing Paris, get the show done. Do it. I fucking love I love being electrical fires. I love being a stage manager. But it's, it's extremely stressful and you don't get paid for it. Or if you do it's very little and you constantly have to like move around to follow productions. And I just I just decided it wasn't for me like that. An audio engineering. I kind of decided early, early on that I was just like, that's kind of too crazy for the non compensation you get.
But anyway, I worked in a production of The Wizard of Oz. It was fucking rad. It was the first time the theater group had been profitable in as far as anyone could remember. It went off really well, but it was just a fucking crazy experience. So, yeah, I don't know. I just felt like that at no time to tell the story.
I guess that's show business for you. Honestly, though, was like if a show goes completely smoothly, that is a rare gem. A rare, rare gem indeed.
An emerald. Chris. Yes, that's my emerald for you, Paris.
Oh, boy. All right. Well, if I don't know, unless we have anything further to say, I think we're going to wrap up this little gem and some tissue paper and. Yeah, that's OK. All right. Thank you.
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All right. Well, having said all that, this was a shorter read because we were sandwiched between one giant fantasy book and another giant fantasy book.
So we were recording this way early while we complete that other giant fantasy book parrots. Do you think it's okay to let everyone know where we're returning to?
Well well, listeners, you may remember that we've read a lot of fantasy books on the show and we'd like to take breaks from those. But sometimes we have to go back. Sometimes we have to go back. So. We're going to go back to the Midlands and Tahara and whatever the other part of that continent's call. We're going to go back to sexy dominatrixes and leather outfits.
We're going to go back to school. Yeah, we're going back there. We're going to read The Blood of the Fold, which is the third book in these sort of truth series by Terry Goodkind. That is our next episode. We will have probably have a special guest. I think T.J. is joining us again. He was with us on episode two on the he was with us for Joan of Tears. Sorceries, thank you for a second go at the series.
So you may remember the sort of two series as being something that we think has really good writing and some good elements, but overall troubling in a lot. Yes. Yeah. And also just kind of Sanae Hero's Journey stuff. So, yeah, it's one of those. It's one of those. It's a little a little more challenging to critique because it's got some really good stuff, but it's got some real bad stuff too. Oh boy. Oh boy.
I really are. I already read it and you are just starting it and boy oh boy.
Paris, it's it's not as wacky a story of tears was, but it feels a little bit circuitous in a way. Let me say.
Yeah, I think your commentary was that it didn't feel like like we really needed the whole book. Yeah. So yeah, we'll see how it goes. It's 600 plus pages. So that's why we were trying to get some shorter episodes and, you know, real page. It's not like Macedonia where it's 400 pages, but it's really like one hundred, you know.
Yeah. Or 200 or whatever.
But yeah, after that I guess I don't I don't mind telling people a little bit about the schedule if we've already settled on some stuff. I think we've got let me just on let me just pull up the pulling up the TV see master file. Really exciting. I have a multi tabd guess what guys. A multi TABD spreadsheet for everything. For everything is a data manager.
That's what she does. I'm over here just making funny noises. No, no I'm not, I'm, I'm not a manager but I like I say, manage data. That's what I meant. I'm a data scientist. Yes. Scientist, which is a really self aggrandise title for what I do. Yeah. Let me say that.
Spreadsheets, my spreadsheets. Oh right. I forgot. So our next episode, Apso Blood of the Fold is next. After that, you will have an episode that is a live read crossover with the antiques freaks. We if you have been paying attention to us on Twitch in the last couple of months, you probably already saw that we recorded this quite a bit ago, but it'll actually be a full fledged episode after one of the fold after that. I have some stuff in the schedule, but I'm not quite sure where we're all going to land.
So I guess I'll just leave it there for now. Don't make any promises yet. No, no, no. I mean, for for October, we're still going to do like two spooky books for the month of October or something. That's kind of horror. We are, you know, two things that are sort of horror. We have some plans for that. We have some ideas for September and for the other August episode, but we're not totally sure.
Again, if you are a patron and you have not requested a book this year, please get your question because we have a few more episodes to fill out before the end of the season. So, you know, if you would like us to get your book in the mix for this season, so four in 2020, please send us a message. I mean, conversely, even if you're if you're not a patron, please send us recommendations anyway, because we do collect those and we do go through them.
We do read things that non patrons request. It's just that if you're a patron at rockets to the top of the list and we do it like as immediately as possible and we have to do it even if we don't want to use it.
That's the other thing about that. Whereas if you're not a patron, we still may end up reading your suggestion, a suggestion. It just may take like a year or two or never, you know, if it doesn't work for us or doesn't fit into the schedule.
So, you know, I think it's worth taking a shot and and letting us know that you'd like us to read something. So please reach out. But until next time, please have a have a lovely week. Take care of yourself and we'll see you in two weeks. See you later, Paris. Goodbye, Chris.