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I was trying to read the news right before the show and it was basically that teleprompter. That's all there is to say.

I know Ben would rather just go home, but I thought, yeah, I'm sure there's something that we could gin up of interest in. The only thing that came to my mind is that it's Michael Knowles's birthday.

Yeah, it's my birthday. I know another company. You know, a lady never tells, but. Thirty one, the big three. One, a monumental birthday. Yeah.

I remember last year was your 30th birthday and we had all these plans of all the ways that we were going to celebrate you. And then covid happened two days before. Two days before. Days before. And that was it.

Remember having all those plans, you know, I was going to believe it was our excuse.

We sort of foisted it on us. You know, it happened. Sweet little Lisa said, you know, hey, we'll celebrate your birthday in a few months. I said, I wasn't born in a few months. I was born today. So that's over since she was like, no, we'll we'll celebrate it next year. So.

Thirty one, you, a grown man can't have thirty one. That's not at this age. You get birthdays once a decade.

Yeah, at most. I mean I think I need to basically be Drew's age before I get another actual birthday.

So here's the thing. Today marks two dark occasions. One is backstage and the second is the day that Michael Mills was popped out of his mother's womb.

And we all regret this day, some of us, it has cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, at least no more than others of us. It has cost nearly tens of thousands of dollars, I can assure you. Don't worry. Yeah. And so happy birthday to Michael Knowles and God help us all. Also, like, actually in real news, Ken is continues to be in a legal wrangle now with three days. That's simple. We have to we have to talk about that.

The only important news is happening because. That's right. So do we have any major legal breaking legal news? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's interesting because she's now deleted the tweets and she because there was nothing wrong with there was nothing wrong with that. She deleted them and she gave maybe the best excuse ever because I obviously called her averaging the tweets where it's like, oh, I wonder what happened. You wait for the news cycle to go away and then you try to quietly delete the tweets because you maybe have gotten some legal counsel and you realize we are seriously suing you and she gives the best excuse.

Just oh, no, I deleted the tweets because my Twitter is fun and friendly. It's actually actually right.

Because Hillary is I'm just thrilled right through those hard drives because this bathroom is supposed to be fun.

And I like Arie. Right, exactly. She's ruining all the decor.

So we had to we had to bleep us defense after I actually did that because it's fun and I just want to keep things fun. And finally, basically deleted tweets made pull out. Exactly. So I'm very afraid of her.

But Khateeb is I just say she's great for traffic.

Oh, really good for that.

So yeah, I, I genuinely texted Ben when this went down, I was like I think a certain point like we are going to have to cut her a check really wire I think.

And it was like in our culture there's very little that shocks anymore. But I remember I think I probably first heard your rendition then of of what is better rendition was a better rendition.

Let's bring that is the highlight of the show.

Did the Beatles better and you did Khateeb better. Right.

But but when I heard it and and John Belushi, did Joe Cocker do much better? Even better still.

Yeah. When I first heard WAP and I you know, I don't I've been around the block a little bit.

When I heard that song, I thought seriously for the first time that I didn't realize you could have audio pornography, that you actually could have that you could read porn or you could what? I didn't know you could listen to actual pornography, but that's what the song is.

Yeah, I actually I had the opposite in some ways. At first I was shocked and then I was shocked by. The fact that I wasn't shocked anymore because it's so it should be a lot more shocking than it is to hear. Yeah, right. A woman singing that graphically about her genitalia.

But they have to try so hard to be shocking at a certain point. We are trying that hard. It just doesn't work anymore. You watch the Grammys performance. The clip that I saw, I was surprised by how it just seemed kind of clumsy and desperate.

And it's like it's like Babylon. Babylon really wanted attention.

Reminded me of when Norm MacDonald was doing the Bob Saget roast. And all these roasts were just the most disgusting, vile, vulgar things you could say. And Norm got up and did a bunch of 70s Dean Martin roast jokes, you know, like, hey, Cloris, you'll never be over the hill in the car that you drive.

Right.

All these kind of innocent jokes. And he was asked about this and he said they told me to be shocking, that that was the only way to be shocking.

Right.

And it's kind of you think like if someone does a waltz at the Grammys, that would be the most shocking thing if a girl kept her clothes on Instagram.

Maybe like this is shocking. I just can't believe she's just going to keep her clothes on like that. And that's sad.

But that's the way they have constructed it, though, that you cannot point out that our culture is now almost universally trashed. But if you point that out, you're kind of cranky, you know, and it's like you're just supposed to, like, watch the decadence and think, wow, it's really brave that our culture is now garbage.

I would you know, I would believe your opinion if you didn't hate the Beatles, but you've actually been cranky since 1963.

Be fair. Be fair.

I agree that the Beatles were tremendously talented, but I looked at them and I thought, one day Khateeb is going to do it's a slippery slope line, a very slippery slope as hundreds is turning on incognito or private mode in chrome and safari is not enough.

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He's watching it. It's like insane. Yeah, it's insane. It really is. But there is no culture left.

I think the people that you've been talking about this and I think it's important that we don't have a counterculture anymore. We have an anti.

Right. What they what they used to be the counterculture. The idea was we know the rules and we're going to fight the rules, but we at least acknowledge that the rules exist. Now, it's we're not just going to fight the rules. There are no rules. And the problem is that art without rules is just crap. See, this is the dirty little secret about art. It's like getting rid of all the rules of grammar and then trying to write a book on the basis of that.

You can't do that because it doesn't make any sense. That's true about all art. There have to be some limitations to what it is that you can do because that defines pushing the boundaries, boundaries to push.

If you know scales and you take liberties, that's jazz. If you just play random notes. Right.

It's not exactly. And when you watch these performances now, it's not as though they are they are playing with the line or just pushing past the line. There's no line anymore. So in a way, it was shocking how unshocking it was. It was shocking that you saw this and you knew you were supposed to be kind of shocked.

But at the same time, it was like this is, as Matt was saying, perfectly not only predictable, but almost blasé. Like it wasn't even like this is so shockingly pornographic and sexy. It was like this almost. It felt like it's grotesquerie. Yeah. I mean, it's it's closer to it's closer to, you know, watching just either animals in a park or closer to being an anatomy lab like it.

There's nothing about it that was romantic or interesting in any way. Obviously, it's also sad.

I mean, this is the thing. You're not shocked anymore. Even when you were arguing with Khateeb, I was thinking, aside from your association with us, you're an elegant, well-spoken, intelligent young lady talking to this woman who's acting like an animal on stage.

And the press is going like she really gave it to you. Putting them together is sad, you know, I'm sure. There's one and the thing is that what you said is exactly right. She's acting animalistic, but she's not an animal. So she's degrading herself. And this is the part that sad is the people in our society are doing this, is that she's so much more than that. Right? She's a soul and she's a brain and she's a mind.

And she has all these things and beyond all the mockery and all the silliness, which she does bring on herself by seeking it out, because she wants the attention. She wants money. The there is something deeply sad about our society which is decided that to celebrate this sort of behavior and it does rip away the humanity of the people who are participating and the people who watch it, I think well, I don't say this just because you're my friend, but I mentioned it on the show today.

The left's argument, the left's art with webapp and then the left's argument through Web is that we're just meat puppets, right? We're just kind of our flesh. They actually make the opposite argument with transgenderism, but we can get to that later. But they just we're kind of meat puppets, right? If you're black, you got to vote for Biden. If you don't, you ain't black. If you're a woman, you've got to behave in a certain way.

And I think this is why you can't irritate her so much, is because you're a woman, you're black.

You if you just looked at the two of you purely physically, you'd say, oh, these are very similar people.

And yet you have made totally opposite decisions in your life and it just throws that whole ideology in the trash. It's such a challenge to it.

I think they they can't really take it. I think that was one of the more remarkable elements, is that obviously she did this performance and everybody reported on it because she won everybody on it because she was being disgusting. And yet it was specifically my 60 second response. Right. That really got it really got under her skin in a way that I thought was quite fascinating.

It's like she could have picked any person talking about it online, and yet she was just so focused on me. So it's like there's something about me that bothers you. And I think to be honest with you and just seeing the spiral of her tweets and how she was trying to pull anything about me. Right.

She's like, you make your husband a sandwich. And I was are we really doing this? Like, yes, I make my husband caught me and I think she's embarrassed. I think you're right. I agree with you. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, you can play pretend, but at night you have to go to sleep with you and your own thoughts. And that cannot feel good.

And those. Right. It's like she's looking in a mirror and the mirror is showing or something else.

She could have been I thought the the sandwich line was especially revealing because she's rejecting it's a very feminine thing to take care, to be a caretaker, to take care of your husband, your family. She's rejecting all that's feminine. And then it's interesting because we see in the culture just this week, really, we see two examples of what happens when prominent women reject their femininity. So you've got Cardi B rolling around on the stage and it is very just sad to watch.

That's maybe the primary emotion that I feel actually is, well, can we can we agree?

As for men on the on the show that there was actually nothing sexy about the performance.

Cut you off a there are five of us. I don't know what this is about. Oh, there's nothing remotely sexy about it.

That's why it's being sad is not for me. That's not a turn on to be said.

Some people are in a different things. So then you also have at the same time, you've also got Eliot Page now and yeah, this this picture on Time magazine. And I look at that and I think this is really.

Incredibly sad to look at that, this woman who was an attractive woman and now is is a, you know, this kind of frail looking man or something, a person trying to imitate a man but rejecting her femininity. And this is the two things that happen in this culture. When you reject femininity, you got Khateeb.

It is weird that you're getting these two opposing ideas by the left. Both ideas are aimed at destroying our old understanding, the old standards of what you want to call it.

But their opposite idea is the one is we're just meat puppets. We're just kind of bumping and grinding. It's all about the whap, right? That's the materialist idea. And then there's the Gnostic idea that that my my body has nothing to do with who I really am. If Ellen Page says, you know, my my biology is all woman, but I feel in my metaphysical deep, deep down that I'm a man, that I'm not even a combination.

I'm just a man. It's just my immaterial self.

You can't hold those two views simultaneously. You can say. I think the problem is that you you're assuming that this ideology is that you're assuming that the ideology actually has a framework, but it isn't. It's to your point about anti culture. It's an anti ideology. Yeah, it's actually this is it's whatever you think, whatever system you adhere to is wrong. Both systems must be torn down in favor of the individual in favor of of individual expression.

And the remarkable thing is that it makes them all miserable. Right. So it's Sfeir doing the opposite and they're miserable everything about their lives. And this is always in my challenge because I consider myself I always say I'm not a feminist, I'm a proud non feminist. Right. And I'm talking about obviously modern feminism, which is not about uplifting women, it's not about equality with men. And I say to these young girls that follow me, find me a feminist and let's examine whether they're happy.

Right. Chelsea Handler, do you think she's happy? Right, Khateeb, look at her life. Do you think she's happy? All these people that are telling you men are horrible, we got to do this. We got to look at them objectively and say, is that the life I want to have when I get older?

And who will make Elliot pay a sandwich?

And we have a question from the girl. OK, we have a question for Candice from the daily wire audience. The question, Candice, I love that you're on the front lines of the culture war, engaging with prominent industry figures like Khateeb. How did you develop the confidence to speak publicly while receiving so much backlash? Good question. Yeah, it's a very good question. And I'm going to say one thing and everyone seems like, oh, this is ridiculous.

But first and foremost, I always have a pretty formed person. I'm confident in who I am. I stand on my two feet. And a lot of that came from first because I took a very liberal route to conservatism. So having done so many things wrong that like when you're screaming, oh, yeah, feminism, it's like it's I say feminism, it's like, you know, trying drugs in college, like, you know what I mean, to come out the other side.

I'm an addict and ruin your whole life. Right.

And so, you know, experimentally, the things that made me like I was miserable. I was miserable when I was a liberal. I mean, that's really the best way to say it. And then so I was so sure when I became a conservative and everything just got better by, you know, just believing in discipline, believing that this all does mean something falling back into religion. Like, you know, I kind of abandoned Christianity for a while and kind of became an atheist in a way.

And just I realized that my grandparents got something right and and I was happy when I started living like that. Then the second thing and it's so, you know, people don't understand this Kanye West genuinely inspired me when I decided that I was going to jump into politics. I'll never forget I was listening to his song on Repeat when I was like, I'm going to do this, but I need to know that, like, you just have to stop.

You have to not care. Anybody else thinks. And that is written into the DNA of Kanye West's music for people that follow culture. He has always been a person who does not care what other people think. You can not care what other people think. You have to just kind of go into it and say, I'm jumping out of the window. And, you know, that's a line from one of the songs. And he's like, it's going to be a beautiful death.

And it's a great time to mention that Kanye West is now a six point six billion dollars as the richest black man that's ever, ever in the United in the United States.

Well, what's what's really both inspiring and tragic about what you just said is that music helped you find yourself. You helped you find the path to be who you are. And I think that that's a good coda to the conversation about Khateeb, which is there is a consequence for the fact that our culture is descending into this madness, which is music probably more than any other art form has such a power. I always say that if you want to if you want to judge the sort of theological integrity of a church, you shouldn't listen to the pastor.

Nobody else does. It's really songs. It's what people sing in their own voice. The power of hearing your voice lifted in song, singing along with radio.

That Chinese philosopher, if you want to, you know, determine the morals of a society, that its music will furnish the answers. And that's a question to ask of black America. If if the music determines the answer, what what are we producing right now? What is Khateeb producing? And that's what I say. It's not good because what you put into your ear, the thoughts become things. And so I don't listen to music anymore. Like, I just I mean, I listen to it when I was younger.

I just don't I'm like, you know, can I say we can't have someone here is going to pull. Confucius quotes, because I can't keep up with that because it makes us look bad, as Michael said, you know, but there's this there's this contrary strain, as you say this, right.

I don't listen to much pop music at all.

I don't think most of us listen to a ton of pop music. So I did a little touch every now and again. Candice's is the most in touch with the culture. Kanye releases a gospel album like what, a couple of years ago? I mean, it was it was pretty good album. I really liked it, actually. And I you know, so there is also that I mean, he's the biggest star basically in the world.

So what does that mean?

That you got WAP and you've got Jesus King both coming out around the same time?

It's interesting and I will say this, and because this news of Kanye becoming, you know, the most wealthiest black person that's ever live, I mean, ever lived in America, in the United States, I had a conversation with him a couple of months ago that was like, so inspiring. He was like two months ago. And we were on the phone and he said, I'm not his exact sentence, by the way. I'm not fit to be the poorest one of Ellen's friends.

And then I said to him, you know what?

I'm not going to be the one to Kanye. French know, like, you know. And I mean, this is like he's so inspiring to me for those reasons. People just never understood what was about Kanye West. If you follow his music in the DNA of his music, he cannot communicate his ideas. That's his problem. Right? He's he's a teacher's Thinley genius insanity. And like, he's got the ideas here. And then when he says it, you're like, whoa, what was that?

That did not you know, you did not communicate that correctly. But he is always, in a way, really ahead of his time. And I knew exactly what he meant me said about Elon Musk. And I was like, that's guys. Interesting way to look at yourself. I think I, of course, want to Ellen's friends. I might be the poorest one of Candace's friends.

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But you're not on the proper side of the political aisle.

And she has confessed to drugging and robbing men. When you talk about what the media will let her get away with. Can you imagine any any basically any human, any human being in prison?

She should right now be in prison until the year 2050 based on the crimes that you that you confessed to. And, you know, we're obviously not into cancer culture around here, but there's a big difference between if she said something offensive, like an offensive tweet ten years ago and confessing to violent crimes against others.

And that's what I had. I totally I say we should not cancel criminals, but let's start that hashtag.

But the broader point is that obviously, if you meet with the left's political approval, then you can get away with literally, literally anything up to and including the most vicious sort of racism, obviously. And this sort of brings me to the topic that that's been eating the news of late, which is the shooting in in Atlanta. And so this horrific act of evil by this white guy who shot a bunch of Asian women and the number of pieces so far, there's no evidence that it was racially based.

It may very well be racially says it wasn't right. He said he said it wasn't like racists always denying that they have racial animus. That's the other side. But this is sort of the point is that if you are of the proper political perspective, you can be as racist as you want to be and accuse every single other person on planet Earth of racism, the same exact people who are suggesting that this not only the shooting, but all anti Asian hate crimes in the United States are the result of white supremacy and whiteness.

Those are those same exact people are saying that Asian people should be barred from high schools and colleges based on their outstanding level of success. Academic.

So why is nobody asking the question these these women working in massage parlors, which were obviously sex partners. Right. Why is nobody asking the question, why are so many Korean women being sold into sex slavery? Right. That to me, is a really racial question that I haven't heard one person say. And it is true, by the way it is happening. I don't know why it's happening, but I'd like to know. I think that's you know, that's one of the truly degrading, awful experiences that is taking place in our culture.

Now, people talk about slavery that's been over for 100 years, but they don't talk about this is slavery. It is slavery.

When you come over and they tell you that and what are we talking about? Yes, right. The treatment of these women before they were, you know, murdered in the most egregious fashion.

That's right. I'm sure they didn't sign up. They didn't come here thinking, wow, I can be a sex slave.

I mean, there's so many issues here. The the evil of men who are who are living in a pornified culture, the the lengths to which those men will go to do acts of evil to women. You know, there's so many different topics that are really of interest, the one that seems the least of interest in a situation where we literally have no evidence that this was a racially based crime is the racist angle. But naturally, it turned into Donald Trump said, well, I'm serious.

Therefore, this guy went and shot up a bunch of guys.

You know, brothels will look like brothels.

It also, you know, right now to call someone a racist is the worst thing you can be called. Racism is the only sin, right? It's the only crime that in the culture that think boring it.

Now, it's like everybody is called a racist now, but that's why they change the language. Right, because they realize that the racist charge had stopped. It stopped having the same sort of impact that it had because they'd applied it to literally everyone. So everybody went, OK, well, if he's racist, then race didn't mean anything. So instead, what they did was they recognized that there was still a term that had a lot of currency, white supremacist racism.

When you think white supremacist, you think of the skinhead with the Nazi tattoo on his neck. Who's shooting up the west, Jake? Right. That's that's what you think of. And so what they did is then they laundered the term white supremacist into white supremacy. And white supremacy was no longer a philosophy whereby white people were superior to other people. It was a philosophy whereby all of America's institutions that end with inequality of outcome were infused with white supremacy and therefore to be anti-racist and anti white supremacy meant you had to oppose all of America's institutions.

They wanted the term racist into white supremacist, into white supremacy and now into whiteness.

Until they come in all the time, though, you know, they're liberals, they're lefties, the progressives, as people find out what they are, they change the word to keep ahead of it.

It's broadened out so much now that they are overtly being racist.

I mean, there there is talk about segregating colleges. I mean, there is literally today in the root segregating ceremonies, graduation ceremonies. I mean, segregation. I've been talking about this for years. There are there are certain black only dorms. OK, yes. You mean we're so black people that, like all they had to do was repackage it to us? I really like where we're actually going to take it ourselves. Thank you very much. It's so to it's implausibly stupid and black Americans.

Enough of them are not realizing this, like, you know what I mean? It's like, obviously me. I speak up and on my guys. Hello? No, that whole, like, period where we tried to desegregate you, just choosing it was empowering now because I'm choosing to.

So it's gone. But it's gone. It's gone. It's really frightening. Those what Jeremy said before is that when I think about what what the endgame is, there is no realistic end game that they can reach. And it's almost as if they're just locusts, just like there's just it's not it's like you said, it's an anti philosophy. It's not a philosophy is not a vision of what the world could be. You could kill America. That's right.

Because it doesn't work this way. It's a longer meritocracy.

But anybody think over a different sort of California, they're no longer allowed to flunk black students on the basis of not showing up. Right. Think about this. So like they saw too many black kids were flunking because they just weren't coming to school. And they said we know why they got rid of the concept of a teacher just got cancelled. I'm sure you saw this. They do that when I was at Georgetown. Yeah. Georgetown law professor.

Yeah. Because she told the truth. She said the bottom. Every time I check at the bottom of my class, the majority of the students are black for saying that on, you know.

Yeah. Session saying acknowledging the truth about people. They said, well, go away because that's only what could be happening to something that I'm saying. What do we do to my best? Students are black, but disproportionately a lot of my work students are black. How can I make this different? Right. And they can get in trouble.

But you must be racist. That's not me.

And Institute said a year ago that the nuclear family and work ethic, the Protestant objective, truth and objective truth are tools of white supremacy being on time of white supremacy.

But what I want to know is this, especially with regard to this, the shooting in Atlanta at the the massage parlor, the guy who perpetrated it says, I am a sex addict.

And I basically gave in to lust. And that was the sin that drove me to this. And everyone said, well, no, you're a racist. That's what racism is, whether it's wrath and pride. Basically, those are the two deadly sins that lead you to racism. Can it also be other sins? Couldn't it be lust? Couldn't it be like why is it that as a culture, we've completely lost a sense of all the other sins, all the other vices?

And it's just this one very particular sin of racism.

It's still malleable. Also, right. There is an entire article today in The New York Times about how this guy had claimed that it was because he had a sex addiction and because he was addicted to sex. This is what drove him to this piece of crap. And, you know, his views are of no consequence. But if we're talking about societal trends that are a problem, you know, when when you talk about sex addiction and porn, pornography addiction, pornography, addiction is a very real thing in our society for sure.

But what the piece said, and this is the part that's Larry said experts doubt that sex addiction leads to this. I'm old and I'm old enough. So here's the thing. I'm old enough to remember when Bill Clinton claimed that he was a sex addict. Yeah, right. And the entire media went, oh, well, you know, that's the thing.

That's first of all, if you wanna talk about a sex addict that's just called a man to man, the best thing the best thing about sex addiction is that the one 800 number to get help starts off with for a good time call.

Yeah. Yeah.

I think one of the dangers here, it's Drew's point that, well, there's a question about why all these women ending up sex trafficking. Michael, you point out, well, sex addiction. Why did that drive into it? So we're because we're so focused on racism, we're neglecting every other societal problem. And there are a lot of really interesting and important questions that we should be asking and dealing with the point. And it's just just like there was the awful case a week ago of the black teenagers breaking into a guy's house, a white man, a mentally disabled, setting him on fire.

These kids are 16 and 14 years old and they break in and we still don't know why. And this is hardly being reported by the media. And, of course, the race is if it is reported, the races are taking out the story completely. But 16 and 14 year old black kids go into a white man's house, set them on fire, watch him burn for a little bit, and then just leave and he dies. And we should be asking the question, what is going on in this country that would lead a 14 year old kid to a black or white or still matters race?

What is going on that would lead a 14 year old kid to do that? And that's a question. We're just not talking about it because we can't talk about the the issue. All right.

But the point it's intentional. They want us to focus on race because they're destroying America. Right. The easiest way to destroy America. Right. So you're you're saying, look over here, look over here. We don't have but we're burning down all of these things. They don't want you to address the actual ill.

But that I have and I have a theory about this that we have never talked about before, I think, which is I think the culpability of the church and the reason that the church is in such trouble in America. You know, David, French often talks about how, you know, the evangelical church has lost its way, as is evidenced by its support of Donald Trump. And he'll say, you know, if you go back to the late 90s during Clinton impeachment, mid 90s, you have you know, I don't know what it's called, but all the pastors got together and signed, you know, the the French and Accords where they said that it's very bad and character is destiny.

And now we've forsaken that and the church has lost its way. And now it's just an instrument of politics. And I've been thinking about that. Now, for the last two years, and I believe that the church actually did lose its way, David's correct, but it lost its way in the 90s, not now in the 90s, that the late 80s, in the 90s, the church made a decision which culminated in the impeachment saga, which was that the church was going to go all in as a political instrument in the country.

They did it in the name of being the Moral Majority, and they carried they carried freight for the Republican Party, who was having a hard time explaining the simple concept of because we're so bad at media Republicans, they couldn't explain the simple concept of perjury to the American people and make them care. And so the church said, well, don't worry, we've got it. We're going to say that it's about something that it actually isn't about, which is a man laid down with a woman and a cigar.

And we definitely need to kick him out of I think they would love. Is that right? Right.

But that whole idea of the church as a moral instrument as opposed to the church as a community of of people seeking righteousness from God, righteousness is a distinct concept from morality. And when the church went all in on morality, which does have a massive cultural component, I think that they were selling their faith because in the late 80s, the morals that the church cared the most about were like, don't say bad words, don't have sex before your marriage, before you're married and don't smoke.

And the morals of our country have changed. And the majority morals within the church now are don't be racist, don't apologize for your whiteness. And I guess where A, I don't offend anybody else.

I take issue with part of this because I think, first of all, the original sin was was in the Reagan era when they became the moral, that's when they became the moral majority and was a reaction to abortion. It was the idea that, oh, these these people in Washington, you know, just Supreme Court judges, not elected officials, can suddenly say, you can't make a law about abortion. And I think that woke a lot of evangelicals up to the fact that the culture was going south.

The problem to me is not about morality or righteousness. The problem is about the world. The church was never there to make the world a better place. There's no place in the Gospels where Jesus says go out and make the world a better place. What he says to you is the world in this world, you will have your problem and you are going to be crucified and then proved it.

You know that that's what's going to happen to you. And they want us to be relevant. I mean, I think John MacArthur talks about this all the time. They want they want to have an effect on the world instead of having an effect on people's souls. Now, yes, if people's souls are saved, I think that's going to make for a better world. But that is an actual secondary point. Once the church decided that it was going to be a an engine for world change, for world betterment, they were lost because the world is actually saying, I don't think what we're saying is radically, radically different.

What I'm saying about morality ultimately, is that righteousness can't be judged with humanized. This is why Christ says if you have lust in your heart, you are an adulterer or if you have hate for your brother, you are a murderer. He doesn't he's not Yoda. He doesn't say if you have hate for your brother on the path to murderer, you are. You are one because God sees the heart of a man.

Right, right. And his judgment isn't limited like ours is to just the things that we can measure and observe with our senses. Morality is the things that we can measure and observe with our senses. And so when the church goes in for morality, it's it's I think it's the same thing. We're basically saying that the church was only interested in what it could measure and not in the actual substance that undergirds the things.

There's something I mean I mean, there is you know, when Jesus is asked, how will I be saved? He does reference six of the of the Ten Commandments. I mean, there is there is a moral law. I think there was a natural moral law that we live by and basic things that you can't do and be moral.

You don't smoke, don't say before marriage and don't be right isn't where you can't. And we're a mess.

Don't forget about the law of the gospel of saying about you say that the problem is more.

I know you don't like this term, but it seems to me the problem is more the church gave up on objective morality. You're talking about the church adopting the morality of the age and how it changes over time, which, of course, that's exactly the problem. And it's absurd that the people are going and sitting down in pews and listening to listening to sermons about the dangers of racism. Like every single person agrees. You don't need you don't need to say there's no reason to give a sermon on it.

What what they've gotten rid of is the is the fundamental universal morality. And we're not talking about that as much. But I know you you don't like the objective morality.

You know, I don't like the term objective morality, but I don't fundamentally disagree with what you're saying. I disagree with the language around what you're saying. God's standard is himself. God's standard is righteousness. And my understanding of the gospel is that he says that the only way that you that you attain that righteousness is as a gift. Christ as Corinthians, as one Corinthians, not two Corinthians, Jesus Christ has become for us wisdom from God. That is, he has become righteousness, or as Roman says now, righteousness made manifest apart from the moral law, apart from the law, the righteousness that's found through the faith of Jesus or in the faith of Jesus Christ.

But he does. But he does say that the law will be written on your heart, you know.

So but that's again now. We're talking about the unmeasurable thing, we're talking about the heart of a man, which is where God lives, which is where righteousness lives, and there is a sense to, I think, on this distinction between objective morality in this kind of like culturally relativistic thing where it's always changing. And we didn't smoke cigarettes in the 80s and now it's whatever wear a mask is the traditional understanding of conscience, of your moral conscience is what is that?

It is a judgment of reason where you can distinguish between good and evil. It's not just like my thiele's man, and it's not like what Dr. Foushee tells me. It is one day. It's like you can rely on your faculties, have reason to it very imperfectly, but still with some reliability, measure the difference between good and bad.

And we've completely lost I mean, even even Aquinas talks about know when we rely on reason, it's reason in coordination with revelation. Yes. We all we all have like we all have to acknowledge at the basis that we are using our reason upon his revelation, because reason unmoored ends with the catastrophes of the 19th and 20th century. No, you're right. And so what we're watching right now is, is that happen in and when churches, synagogues, when they refuse to speak in religious terminology, when they refuse to talk about the inerrant word of God, and instead when they start talking about kind of broad moral terminology without that underpinning, this is why you end with this bizarre situation where the pope reaffirms two thousand years of teaching about same sex marriage and the entire breaking news, the pope cave to modern standards and same sex marriage and.

Why would you expect him to do so? And the only reason that society expects him to do so is because they believe the church is so engaged with the world that it's up to the world to change, change the church, not the other way.

Well, I love this point because in a sane culture, the shocking breaking news would be if the pontiff presiding over the most enduring institution in the entire civilization, just changed his views overnight. That would be the shocking thing.

But in this world where we're so absolutely imbibing progressivism all the time, we're so intoxicated on it, the shock is that he doesn't do it all right.

But this is one of the reasons why on a deeper level. Our politics is fundamentally broken because we don't share the same framework, we're not even speaking within the same frame. That's why it's funny, because I would then add that I actually think one of the biggest issues and obviously this is I think what underpins everything we're discussing, though, it goes back to the reason is that people just don't think critically because we are actually producing people not to think.

I mean, how many do you think that go to church ever even actually read the Bible? Oh, very few.

I walk around D.C., my husband, I live in D.C. and literally I see LGBT flags on the churches. OK, Black Lives Matter flags on the churches like this is actually they have become political institutions, like when you fly a pride flag of any kind.

Yeah, that's right. Page three. Yeah. Yeah. Open up your Bible. It's fascinating and it's like, you know, trying to find a church for when we were trying to find a good church in D.C. It was incredible. I mean, it's just I'm really going it's we've just gotten so far. And then you couple that with the education system where they're actually teaching kids to suspend critical thinking. Just remember what we're telling you. Right. So they wouldn't even be able to read.

And the kids can't reason at all. Well, you know, this kind of this takes us all the way back to the Greeks. Right. And Socrates and running around and saying, take care of yourself. Right. Immanuel Kant, the Enlightenment. Like there's so many. I just feel like society is just it's almost cyclical at this point, right. Where it's like people don't think they just do. And we're at the part where, you know, you get a little nervous about the state of things today and what's going to happen with America, because if you speak to the average child, they're just they don't think adults.

What's new? I think right now and I've been referring to this because I really think it's fabulous. There's a book by Karl Tramon called The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. And I think it's tremendously explanatory of just where we are as a society, and that is that we over the past couple of hundred years have redefined what happiness means, what happiness used to mean, and for most civilizations meant is that you as a child were barbarian. Kids are barbarians.

Anyone who has kids knows that small children are barbarians. As the father of three young children, they are wonderful barbarians, right? That's what they are. They're innocent, wonderful, tremendous barbarians. And your job to make them happy is to teach them about the nature of the world and the realities of the world and how they can adapt to living within that world. Right. That's that is the job of parent, right. You don't want your kids to run the streets.

They'll get hit by a car. And you don't want them to violate the laws of nature because then they will be cutting against their own nature and the reality that surrounds them. Well, in the in the early and 18th century, what mid 18th century, there's this move away from individuals are defined by reference to their institutions and how they adapt to those institutions, to individuals are defined by what they are inside is very Rousso move where your individual happiness is now reliant on your ability to define yourself however you see fit.

Now, he didn't feel that was super dangerous because he was still living inside a set of rules and boundaries that he took for granted. But then those rules and boundaries went away. I mean, this is Nietzsche's point, right? Once you get rid of the rules and boundaries, then without God, with God being dead, who's who's defined any of these rules and boundaries. And the only thing left that matters in this world is how you define yourself on the inside.

Right. Because all of the rules and boundaries, those are actually impediments to how you define yourself. So the point that Karl Schuman makes and he brings this forward to transgenderism is that religious people, traditionally conservative people, they look at this and they go, this makes no sense. How can you say that? I identify as something that I obviously am not. And how can it be that when I say you're obviously not, that this makes me a bigot?

And also if I say biology says you are not this, how does that make me a bigot? How is that even possible?

That's why I mean, you can't because you can't you can't define yourself unless you can think. Right. And I'm saying there is no thinking. There is no reasonable you know, how are they going to define that? But what really the point that Truman is making is that self because self definition has now been defined as happiness as opposed to adapting to the circumstances around you in accordance with reason which used to be called virtue, because we got rid virtue.

The basic idea of happiness is whatever floats my boat. But the rest of the world has to adapt to the flotation of my boat. Right? I mean, if the rest of the world puts a hole in my boat, the rest of the world has imposed on me. If biology puts a hole in my boat and biology has imposed on me because I am sitting on the inside, that defines itself and all of nature, all of humanity has to adapt itself to my whim.

Otherwise it's an actual harm. And that's why when people say you're harming me because you're denying my existence, I'm not saying I see right there you're a person. I just disagree with you. You're denying their existence because as soon as you deny their ability to express themselves and to identify as they see fit, it's the only thing in the entire world that matters. And so it is not enough to say, do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home or you're an adult, will get whatever surgeries you want.

That's not enough. They require people require approval. People require that you cheer for them. And if you don't cheer for them, it is it's an active violation of who they are.

Well, what I know for an absolute fact is that the definition of happiness is having lots and lots of stuff.

Yeah, of course. You know, people living today there, they don't know how to think. They don't know how. But they also I'm so grateful that I didn't grow up in the age of social media where, like, every single thing you ever did as a child has been chronicled, all of your bad decisions exist. Like if you want to see a photograph of my grandpa, you've got to go to my grandma's house, dig around in our attic, find that.

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Yeah, just jumping on that book which I only just started reading it so. But my, what I found attractive about it is that he's, he's taking Truman is taking transgenderism as the starting point as this obviously incredibly significant fact about our civilization. Maybe the most significant fact is right now is transgender because it speaks to our idea of the self. Right. And this goes to another problem we have is that conservatives often are very slow to understand and react to what's happening in the culture.

So I can remember five years ago talking about transgenderism and the response that I would always get from conservatives even now, sometimes, but certainly five years ago is why are you talking about this, people?

Yes, it's a sideshow. It's a fad.

It'll go away. And my point then and now is no, no, no, no, no. This is the fact that this makes sense to so many people that speaks to they have an idea of of fundamental reality, which is absolutely divorced from me. And it's an almost unbridgeable divide. And if we get to a point where half of the country, 80 percent of the country has that idea of the self as a as a self, that you can simply make yourself based on your own emotions and your own whims, then we just we don't we're finished because we're finished as one as one as one country.

Its ultimate subjectivism. Right. Because the only thing that matters is how you identify interior in your interior life, which no one has access to. Right. And every single other objective claim about the universe is a threat to that. So if you bring data, you're now a bigot, right? We've all felt this right. You burn data, you bring biology. If you make objective claims about the world, if you ask for data, all of this is a sign that you are intolerant and a bigot, but also believe the science.

But this is this grows out of I was talking to about this before the show started. This grows out of one of Roussos children who is Fuyuko? And I read Falko and Verio when they first started coming out. But then I decided to go back and I'm rereading one of Fusco's major, major books called The Nature of Things The Order of Things.

And he's a grifter, which we know, which didn't occur to me the first time I read it, because I thought this is kind of interesting philosophy. But he's he makes the point that natural science is a complete invention because all of biology is one thing and it's only us imposing this order on it. And my first thought was, that's interesting. Until a turkey tries to mate with a coyote and then you realize, no, there actually is an order of things.

And this idea, his idea is basically the power constructs all identities.

So if that's true, everything you are is created by me, is created by the powerful people around you who impose that on you. And so we have that power to change you. And so if you say you're a woman and I say, no, you're not, I'm doing an act of violence, do I'm actually because my power is a threat to you, the fact that none of this is true, it doesn't seem to bother these French with the French Jews.

They say they say false things beautifully. Think what a great sentence, but totally untrue.

You know, the Germans say true things incomprehensively, but the French and I think that because the power dynamics of the society were perceived to have shifted over the past ten years, that's why all this stuff is coming to the fore right now.

Meaning that when if you said power, power decides the fate of societies back when the left felt it was not in control. Right, then that's a dangerous thing to say. Right. Because then the right says, oh, OK, you're saying. Decides the fate of society. Well, we have some ideas about what we can do with that power. It was only during, I think, probably Barack Obama's second term when the left thought they were never going to lose another election, is why Trump came as such a shock to them, because they thought literally they had created the unbreakable coalition.

It was they were never going to lose an election. They were a coalition of the ascendant. I mean, there are so many articles about the browning of America having to fight because demographics was destiny and unshakably. Democrats were going to continue to win for all time. And all of that was false. And all of that was nonsense. But it was at that point they started to say, you know what, everything in life is defined by power.

But now we wield the power. And because we wield the power, we can reshape all of these institutions. And that has never let up the desire to reshape all the institutions. And Biden, now with his victory, feels that he gets to reshape all the institutions. I mean, the notions of Abraham Kennedy have now entered. I mean, talk about a grifter. The notions of Abraham Kennedy have entered every aspect of American government from top to bottom.

It's insanity. I mean, the State Department declared today that they were going to redo how they staffed the State Department on the basis of equity and they were going to achieve racial balance in the State Department. And I just thought I said I was going to hire all white people and I got like 20 lost.

Does anybody does anybody else feel, though, that we're living in an illusion in the sense that we're actually at the end of something? We're not at the beginning of something. They think they're at the beginning of leftist paradise. But I can't help noticing that. Even what even though Biden is doing some things that are radical, that really all he's doing is he's stealing your grandchildren's money to prop up things that have already failed, like pensions and Obamacare and all these socialist ideas that have just failed.

I can't help feeling that we're at the end of an epic.

And that's why, of course, we are. That's why our presidents keep getting an older, older and older and older. We've had three presidents who are born in nineteen forty six and now we have one who is born in forty five.

Yeah, it's a it's a very bad sign for society when you can't make generational change in your own, your chief executive.

You know there is to this like just it's pure will.

Right. It's this imposition of will. To Ben's point, once you have unfettered self definition, it's all just whatever I want, I'm going to get. And it gets to your point, Candice, which is you can't think and they won't let you think. I know that references to George Orwell, like references to Hitler and the fall of Rome are usually tedious and overdone. But here's one that I think really matters.

In nineteen eighty four, Orwell says they control to the public through the newspeak, through this kind of PC jargon and through surveillance and all these things.

But most of all, through doublethink, through getting you to think mutually contradictory ideas at the same time, like materialism and gnostic transgenderism or whatever, use whatever example it is, because they can't allow you to think in this idea that these boomers are just holding on to power and the presidents are getting older and they're going to steal from the young and the unborn and they're going to give it to me. It's such a gross act of will. All of the censorship is based on this, right, that they will not have any reasonable debate.

It's it would seem to me that this can't last forever. It might that might last for a little while. I think the clash is yet to come, though, meaning that I think Biden is a mask for for the clash that's about to happen. Yeah, this is the reason the Democrats need president houseplant. They need him there because he's hiding that that stain on the rug. Right. And then right now, if something were to happen to him, God forbid, because you don't want anything to happen anyway.

But something happens to Biden, God forbid, and Kamala Harris becomes president. Then you see this break out in the open because Biden is just a moderate face, an extraordinarily radical ideas and policy. And he's been able to avoid every question from the media because they are in league with all of these ideas. And most Americans don't find him threatening because he finds this old coot shuffling around, can't string together a sentence threatening. There's nothing threatening every right.

Everyone's a little embarrassed by him. And you don't feel bad about him. You don't feel like it's hard. You don't like elder abuse.

I mean, I actually feel I actually genuinely like I have declined to make fun of him because there's something really wrong about the fact that every single person in the world knows that this is a man in decline. Every single person understands that he's senile.

Come on in. But you're right about this. The thing about national security was it was making jokes. We're seen as a joke right now on the world stage.

And, you know, I have to say that vice president is getting the morning the presidential brief because the president is today he did he called a press conference on his campaign. Yeah. I mean, he was he was saying, you know, under this campaign, I mean, he just wasn't there. And they kept saying, oh, it's because of covid, we're hiding it. And it's like it was so obvious. You're fooling no one, least of all everybody else in the world.

America looks weakened. But I have to say that I feel more optimistic about it, because when you see this increase in censorship, it's not because they're winning, right? That's right. When Barack Obama won, they didn't have to add to the deficit because people actually voted for it. Like, you know, people really loved, loved Barack Obama. It was like kinetic on the ground. You could feel that energy, you know, about Barack Obama.

They don't you don't feel that about Joe Biden. Right. So the Democrats, like you said, were very surprised by Trump when they know that so many people in this country don't like them and are passionately hate them as what we should say. Right. At least seventy five, 80 million Americans passionately hate the Democrats. So I think they're actually feeling apprehensive right now in this moment, which is why they're rushing through these policies of censorship and safety.

Safety? Yeah, exactly. And and doing all this up is because they don't feel comfortable.

Now, whether it's I mean, I think we talk about this last night they won, you know what I mean? Winners feel a little bit more confident. They're not acting confident right now.

And they know they don't have the answers, especially on something like the gender topic. They know that they don't have any responses to the arguments that we present because what they're saying is incoherent. That's why it's so instructive that Amazon, like the one book that they're censoring, is Rinty Anderson's book on transgenderism with the great title.

Well, when Harry became such a great guy and there are so many other conservative books out there, many of them way more aggressive and objectionable from the left standards than this. But but I think they're starting here because they know that no one is. This is a crucial fundamental issue. And also they simply have no response to that at all and they know it. So all they could do is shut it down. The problem is they have the power to shut down everything, any argument, because they own all the institutions.

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It blows my mind, says a Luhya subscriber, that the left has changed its stance on the kids in cages story. How bad is the crisis at the border and why can the Biden administration just get away with all of this? Why?

Why wouldn't they be able to get. Way with oil, what are you talking about? As Trump famously said, it was one of the best lines of, unfortunately, an unsuccessful campaign. He said, who built the cages, Joe? Who built the cages?

Joe because they had this problem under Obama, the Obama Biden administration. And by the way, the policies that were being criticized went back even further. They went back to the Clinton administration.

And so it was always a disingenuous attack against Trump.

Jen Psaki, I thought, had a great line the other day when liberal journalists finally started asking or saying, hold on, you're separating kids from their parents or whatever the adult was that was bringing them, you're putting them in cages at way higher numbers than Trump ever did. You're doing it during a pandemic that doesn't seem so hot. What's up with that? Why are you doing that? And what is Jen Psaki saying as they were cutting off all media access to the cages?

She says there's not a lot of options, right. There weren't a lot of options during the Trump administration to end. The problem here is that you've got horrible incentives being pushed by the Biden administration where he says on the campaign trail, come, surge the border, get on over here. You're still hearing this from the secretary of DHS. He's saying don't come now. But like, you know, two months come and then it'll be fine. So you're creating all these and then who the hell is going to listen to that?

Right. You're right.

Now that you surged forces that you're literally telling me when you're going to put the officers at the border to catch me, why would, you know, Rob the bank right now will have the security there later.

Guys like that don't try to take over Afghanistan. We're leaving in two months.

Here's a question for Candice from Drew.

Hey, why doesn't Jeremy call on me more often now if he wants to know? Because the left's vision of identity politics, whatever happened to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream of judging someone not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character, seems like such a famous quote from such a well-known civil rights activist has been forgotten or ignored today.

Yeah, his dream became a nightmare. They literally want you to only judge on the basis of skin. It's the exact opposite. And like you said, it's all of these competing points where they say, oh, yes, we should prop him up. We need to extend February and I must call the Black Lives Matter month.

I can't even think about it. Black History Month, Black History Month, Black Lives Matter about Black History Month that they actually know nothing about black history. It's incredible. You know, the people that they that they celebrate during black history would be so against everything the left is doing. It's so counter to everything that they fought for. Know Frederick Douglass we like. What do you know about Frederick Douglass? Like, what do you know about Booker T. Washington?

What do you have you read up from slavery? They know absolutely nothing, because if they did know if they were actually educated about these people and they weren't just, you know, one liners upon your Twitter, they'd all be conservative and they all be Republican and and they'd be on our side. So, you know, what happened NEWSROOM is it became a nightmare and became a nightmare because of Democrats who were always the racists in this country, who have always seen, you know, the power that they can gain from race.

And right now, that's all it is. When I whenever you hear of the term racism, to me, it's always a power play. And the irony, of course, being is that the people that suffer the most because of these policies are black people. You think black people are going to get ahead when you're teaching them. You don't have to be punctual, you don't have to get A's, you don't have to even try. We're going to put you in these schools, OK?

Now you're out of school. What happens to you in life? We think you're going to get a job at Goldman Sachs knowing nothing that you know what you did. Absolutely nothing. But here's here's here's a big check for you. It doesn't work that way. You're actually training them up to be failures, to be noncompetitive so that you can keep propagating this problem of black people, having them as the victims and saying, oh, look at you.

It's been a lot of years and you're still living like this because we know nothing but outrage. And I will say this because I'm so passionate about this. I'm over answering this question. What they're really doing is they're transforming black Americans into toddlers. You talked about how toddlers act, right? The idea is to make them emotional, know nothing, and you're emotional. That is literally what a toddler is, right? Why is a toddler scream when you say they can't have candy?

Because they don't know anything else but emotion. They scream. So you remove knowledge from someone and teach them that their every emotion they have is justified and you create a society of toddlers and that's so conscious. Do you think do you think they're doing that on purpose?

One thousand percent intentionally, one thousand percent intentionally. And so it's so, you know, it's just it's so important right now because I think they're going to be able to stop this right now. In my opinion, our black Americans, as soon as a victim say no thank you. Right. As soon as you say like me, which is why they hate me so much, because if I just say, actually, I'm actually not a victim, actually, when you say to me, Candace, that, you know, you're a victim, you're actually you're you are the races.

You're telling me when you say white privilege, you're telling me that you're more privileged to me. It's literally you literally that I'm under you.

And to get offended when I say no thanks, I'm also saying I'm also saying you can't unless I. Yeah, that's right.

It doesn't look like a toddler. This goes beyond I mean, this is what you're talking about, turning people into toddlers and they're emotionally driven. That's not just they're not doing that just to black Americans. They're doing that to all Americans. And also on MLK, if I'm to just on that note of MLK, if I was to prophesy a little bit like. Five years in the future, maybe earlier than that, I'd say for certain he's getting canceled and those monuments are going to come down and it seems shocking now, but that will happen because, number one, his message they don't like.

And number two, he was he was a flawed man.

He was a deeply flawed, imperfect man as all great mental all people are deeply flawed. Great people tend to have great flaws. And he did, too. So that's that's going to happen even to MLK, even the the great historical heroes that still survive.

Now, eventually the left to eat its own because no one can live up to their ever evolving.

My theory is that in the future, it's not that there will be monuments for the monuments will be monuments to brutality, meaning that they won't actually be able to build a monument to anyone because everyone is flawed. And that means all the monuments have to come down. Instead, it'll just be a statue of George Washington with his life. And really that will be that there will be the statues, the future, the statues of the future will be all of America's sins encapsulated in marble.

My my predictions of cancellation is George Orwell. They're going to say they're going to find something on him and say this entire book is now canceled because that's exactly what they're doing.

It's almost like what they're doing to Orwell is actually much more, I think, insidious, which is that they just reinterpret him to say the opposite of what he was actually saying.

They do. They don't read. That's the point. Everyone I know believes everyone I went to school with.

We didn't read nineteen eighty four, but we knew the reference and it was a reference to American right wing fascists. Yes, of course, you know, and you see now they're making this Animal Farm is Netflix is thing. So it's consistent with Christian Bale. You know that that's going to be an anti.

You know why though is because George Orwell, this is the line they always trot out is George Orwell was a democratic socialist. He actually was. And you have to read what he writes about democratic socialism to understand what that means. But he says, every all of my writing that I've ever undertaken is to promote democratic socialism. As I understand it, as I understand it, is doing a lot of work there because he was part of this movement of intellectuals at the time that we're turning against Stalin.

And, you know, everyone likes to overstate the distinction between Stalin and Trotsky and all that.

You know, it's sort of the right wing does this, too. We all, like, hate each other. But, you know, it's really we broadly agree fundamentally.

The distinction between these socialist communist thinkers is one guy one and killed the other guy.

You can say that the ice the ice pick was.

So here's a question for me from MGM, which is one of the better studios. I am a subscriber from Switzerland. And due to cultural due to the cultural reach of the US, many habits and norms often tend to gain a foothold in Europe after they have sprung up in the states. What advice would you give to our continent or a single inhabitant, assuming that we are probably six months to one year behind you in these matters? Well, there's nowhere else to go.

I would have said one hundred years ago, go to America, make haste, get get to the land of the free. But but those days are gone. I actually think one of the great tragedies in the world right now is that there are no frontiers. And I think freedom is a frontier mentality. One of the things that made America unique is that people from all over Europe who were seeking freedom left, they left comfort. We don't think about it, but they left the first world.

I mean, it's amazing.

Drew and I actually toured the Ranching Heritage Center in Lubbock, Texas, together one time. And I remember one of your observations when we were looking at these old wagons and farm implements and ranch implements from the late eighteen hundreds. And just in these grainy photographs of what the landscape looked like and what people were enduring at that time, you said, for God sakes, Europe had Dickins at this time. And it's true. They had hospitals and roads and lights and public works and people were leaving that behind to go to a barren wilderness and carve life out of almost certain death because they wanted freedom.

I think it's one of the reasons that Elon Musk is kind of an inspiring figure. Whether or not you think that man can thrive on Mars, I'm skeptical we can't even thrive in Antarctica. But what he's doing is inspiring because what he's saying is, what if there is still another frontier? What if there is still a place where free spirits can go? But if there's still a place where we can start anew and build, because that's what what conservatives fundamentally do when we're not conserving, what we fundamentally do is create.

We go, we create, we carve out of the wilderness, we build civilizations, and we do the very hard risk, heavy work. And then over time, after we've done that, if we've cleared the path, then the leeches can show up and they can just slowly pull all the things that we've built down and sort of reappropriate themselves.

But the very same logic says your body and to some degree defines you, says that freedom is a space, is an actual physical space. Yeah. You know, I mean, we are we live in an incarnate world, and you have to find a place to be free. And I think that that is a problem.

A quick note on Europe. Just to get back to the question about what Europe should do, they should say no and they're starting to say no. That's actually you're starting to see actual European leaders who are more conservative and. People in the United States now, that's right, which is usually followed by France, France came out in France, is like we don't want any of this critical race theory nonsense. That's not how Frenchmen think of each other.

By the way, you're too radical and will win, by the way.

No, it's the most of the word no is the most important word for conservatives today, no matter what corner of the globe you happen to think, it's generally been the most important word ever. That's all right.

And for Ben to go back to Japan, which I think you guys all know, I have a weird fascination with Japan, but like, look at Japan. I mean, do you I mean, the rules in Japan in terms of trying to get to this country, which also fascinates me. I told you my my sister in law lives in Japan so that for 10 years, all of her children were born in Japan. She's a missionary there. Their kids are about to be citizens of Japan because they're just not Japanese.

Like I mean, it's just incredible the idea that America is a racist.

If you actually look at the immigration bill, it's every other country and America is just a mess. I mean, it's just it's unbelievable. But, you know, there's they're getting something right in terms of the the remarkable strides that you have to go through because they really believe in their culture and the unite in this idea of what their culture is, whether you agree with their culture or not, doesn't really matter. Right. But to say in order you're not just going to have one club by say you're going to join this club, like this is a culture and we believe in it and they have a culture.

The problem with America is that we have a bunch of that don't believe in American culture. Right. And we have the doors open or saying, everybody come in and we're saying culture is wrong and everything needs to coexist. And we know that it fundamentally cannot.

And not just people who don't know what it is, people who are funded by zillions of dollars from the biggest institutions saying that we hate this culture and you should hate it to that tribe.

Here's a question for Matt from a subscriber also named Matt. So you have to answer it. How did it feel to have the embassy of the Embassy of Ireland respond to your sarcastic tweet about internalized Irish phobia? Can you break down what started that on Twitter?

That was my greatest career moment. There's a lot about my career, I suppose.

But the actual Irish embassy responded to a trolling tweet from me where I was where I was saying that if you're not part if you're not a person of Irish descent, pide, pide, which is what I am.

And if you're honest with the marginalized groups, we are pidd by LGBTQ, i.e. all that together.

I always suspected Busse. Sorry. Anyway, if you're not party, you're not a person of Irish descent then then to participate in St. Patrick's Day as cultural appropriation. You know, my culture is not a breakfast cereal.

It's not. It's not. And so I made that point and the Irish embassy could not pass up the opportunity to Vertue signal.

So they responded saying, well, it's not true and anyone is welcome. It's it's an appreciation, not appropriation.

And cultural appreciation is not culture. Right.

Which the thing is, I actually agree with them that cultural appropriation is a nonsense concept. I'm sure we all we all know that. But the point is that if they had said that appreciation is not appropriation about, say, a white person wearing dreadlocks, they'd be condemned as racist.

But they could say in this case, and that's so, so tragic that they only make your own people, my own people turn on internalized Irish phobia is what I would like, because I totally see this point on appreciation appropriation.

But if if you're not allowed to appropriate any other culture, let's say you're a white guy and you're not allowed to appropriate any other culture, but also you have to abolish your own culture. What what culture are you permitted to have and other things?

One of the thing about this appropriation thing, because, of course, one of the ironies with St. Patrick's Day is that it's not even a St. Patrick wasn't even Irish. He was kidnapped by Irish pirates.

And which is great. I mean, he was appropriated himself.

But so many of the things that we say are appropriate don't even originate with the supposed culture that's been stolen from AIDS. Yeah, dreadlocks did not originate with Kendall Jenner was accused of appropriating tequila. Well, tequila was not invented by native Mexicans. It was invented by a by a Spanish aristocrat. So that's one of the ironies. And it's so often the culture that supposedly owns this thing, like the Viking didn't have no answer for that.

You're not allowed to wear your hair, embrace your culture, reappropriating from Africans. I guarantee you the Vikings had no access to the continent of Africa. They weren't just like, oh, look at this braid down here. Let's bring that back up. I mean, it's like it's incredible. But nobody they don't know history. They don't know they don't know anything. They just know we decided this is ours. And you now you're not allowed to wear your hair in braids.

It's just like, ah, it was fantastic, though.

I mean, when the embassy responded that way, it was you are legitimately hilarious.

There are moments where like you're just like, why is Matt, why? Why is he trending? And then like you look and you're like it's never, it's never for anything significant.

It's always like the dumbest issue dog Saint Patrick's Day, never been in and now it isn't.

That really sums up Twitter.

Here's a question for Andrew Klavan from someone named Lauren, who is a subscriber daily Wired.com. You should be to head over there. Daily work, dot com tips. I'd love an honest opinion from Clavon on how disheartening I can socky, I'd love an honest answer.

What do you think about it? How is she doing and how does she compare to previous press?

Well, it is the worst job on Earth because you probably take it think you're going to communicate the wonderful vision of the president you believe in and you wind up lying like a dog and that is what she's doing.

And it's sad to watch her dog, but like a dog. No, I'm going to circle back on this.

No, I just I just think that it's sad to watch somebody devolve into a just a conflict or the the smallness. You know, I saw this during the Trump administration with Melania like a lovely, lovely woman who did a good job as first lady, couldn't get on a magazine cover an actual model, couldn't get on a magazine cover, and was so small and petty.

And I find that now with the Biden administration refusing to give any credit to Trump and his operation warp speed, which really did help these these vaccines get out there and and basically this pretense that the board today were yet today or yesterday, she actually said she actually said, oh, the border thing. We were stuck with Trump's border policies. I mean, the border policies were like keeping people out and stopping them on the other side of the border. So they didn't come over.

You let them all come in. And now we've got this crisis. So she's in this impossible position. This is a this this presidency is a crap fest. This presidency is going really badly. And she's her job is to defend it. And in order to defend that, she has to lie and lie and lie. And I think it's degrading to her. But that's what she's doing. Is she doing it? Well, no, she's doing it's openly, except she doesn't have the press, you know, climbing down her throat like I will I will say in her defense, I'm only saying anything in defense because we're both from Stamford, Connecticut.

But I will say her defense, it also is hard because like because I was very chummy with the past administration, like, you know, the amount of time that Sarah Sanders and Katie McInerney spent with the president every day right there, having conversations, strategizing, doing these things. She doesn't just do that with Joe Biden right in the dark. I mean, like she's like half the time she's learning things from them because he's obviously not doesn't have his mental faculties about him.

So he's not sitting down with her, you know, love him or hate him. Trump's got his mental faculties about him. Right. He's fighting. He's a he's a fighter. He's a bully. Whatever it is, he's going to tell you what he thinks and what he wants to go out there and say. Biden is just a puppet. So it makes your job even harder. And at the end of the day, you're correct. It is her.

It's her job.

And you know why I keep saying the face up in the face of dishonesty, but the dishonesty is really it's a good administrator.

Rotten job, Ronja. Far too much empathy happening right now. It's freaking out. Yes. We should asked me when we are you going to say I haven't spoken to the boss in sixty two.

Know you are. I mean, you're right. The empathy is a little bit of place because again, when you crap all over the last administration and you act like it was the peak of dishonesty and then you're going out there and you're lying every single day, 63 days without a Prescott, could you imagine if Trump did not speak to the press?

No apparent present.

What they would have said while the headlines have been my favorite, is when they when they say, can we have the statistics? And she'll be like, well, the Department of Homeland Security has those, right? You're the executive branch. Do you have like you can go ask the DHS, like, well, can we ask the DHS?

She's like, no, no.

Then this question is for you from James Watt. This most recent spending bill and the grand possibility of higher interest rates, do you think that it will cause a depression? And if so, how bad will it be?

So I don't think it's going to cause a depression in the immediate term. I think that what what Biden has the benefit of, economically speaking, is a natural recovery. That was certainly going to happen. This is the most artificial depression in the history of the United States. It was the covid lockdown's that caused the depression. And when covid was relieved, then the depression was going to end and it was going to come back in a massive, massive way.

So he has the benefit of being able to lower the GDP growth rate from eight percent to seven percent with crappy taxes and bad spending policy. And nobody notices because it's still seven percent, which is this extraordinary growth rate where you are going to see is an inflation of the currency because it has to happen. The amount of debt that we are now servicing is extraordinary. I mean, we're we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year just to service the current debt that we have.

Forget about the debt that we just took on. And that money can only come from three places. It can come from inflating the currency, i.e., printing more dollars to raise more money with bonds and three higher taxation. And if you do either of the first two to much, then one of them kicks in. Right. If you end up if you end up selling too many bonds, then inflation ends up kicking in. If inflation kicks in, then you are going to it kills the bond market.

And if you raise the interest rates, which means that all of the loans become more expensive, which thinks the economy well, they actually did something that people aren't talking about this last week, which is that Fannie and Freddie decided that they were going to cut dramatically how many second mortgages they would buy. Fannie and Freddie buy up like almost 70 percent of all the mortgages in the country. So it doesn't matter.

You may have gotten your mortgage through our our buddy who I got my. Mortgage recently from an old high school pal of Michael Knowles's says it doesn't matter if you get it through one of the major banks, Wells Fargo, Citi, it doesn't matter if you get it from a local mortgage bank.

Probably the most likely scenario, Fannie or Freddie, are going to buy those up in the secondary market and then service them over time. And what that does, because the government essentially is buying almost all of the mortgages, if it really helps drive those interest rates down because the secondary market is so secondary market, so robust. But what the left hates right now, the AOC left in particular, they hate landlords. They hate owners who who they see as exploiting renters as this very class thing.

And so it's a very subtle thing. But by Fannie and Freddie saying they're not going to purchase nearly as many, dramatically fewer second, third, fourth mortgages, it instantly drove up the interest rate for second homes by two, two and a quarter, two and a half percent like all left wing plans. Of course, this means renters will have to pay more because it's much more expensive for people to buy homes, for people to buy homes. But that every this is the thing about the left.

Every trick that they use to interfere with the economy actually has a compounding effect on. So the other thing about the left is the left believes that gravity doesn't always apply, that you can violate every rule. And then if you violate every rule, then sooner or later you'll violate a rule and there will be no consequences to having violated the rule. And so they just keep violating rules. But you're talking about the rules of marriage, where they talk about the rules of biology.

If you talk about the rules of economics, the same thing applies, right? They believe deeply in modern monetary theory, which is the idea that we can just continue to blow out the spending. And because other economies are not as robust as the American economy, people will continue to buy our bonds endlessly. Well, that's only true so long as the American economy is growing robustly. The big problem here for Republicans on the economy is because the natural recovery is going to be so unbelievably strong over the course of this year and next year.

By the time things start to cool off, it's already going to be twenty, twenty four basically. And there is a delayed effect to a lot of the policies that are getting kicked in right now. So you're going to see the economy start to slow. Pretty much everybody agrees with this like twenty, twenty four by twenty twenty five, you could start to see the economy really started to enter into some dark territory and will have no ability to take on more debt to actually prop up the stimulus.

I would say that it's going to take five to six years to feel the impact of what we're seeing right now. And and like anything else in the economy, everything is good until at and it's not like it just gradually.

These predictions are very encouraging because I've reached the point where people say long term effects and I go, yeah, yeah, they can.

The Keynesian in the world coming for you. They're very immediate.

Gentlemen, Candice, Michael, we're we've been here damn near forever. He feels that way. Yeah.

It's been a long, long, long, long show. I want to wrap up with a rapid fire question session from our daily where subscribers, you know the rules. I'm going to try to get through as many questions as we can in the remaining time that we have, if possible, be pithy with your answers. And if possible, let's just let the person being addressed answer. It's almost never possible. We're going to we're going to try.

Here we go from our daily Wired.com subscribers. Candace from Nina, have you lost family members or friends because of your beliefs?

Yes, cousin to cousins, most pithy. That's good.

That's actually what a painful reality, though. You have to be so PYTHIAN.

Yeah, well, it's one of those things. Gosh. Now, see, it's going longer, but this is one of those things where the weird thing is that I think Trump made everybody really crazy and like the idea you just kind of went really far in. But the thing is, is like now they've kind of cracked and want to have like a relationship. And I'm sort of like I don't think it works like that. I don't think it works for like, you get to just say horrible things about me.

And then now I have to just pretend it didn't happen. And we've seen this a lot with even friends like now that Trump's gone the kind of like like, you know, and it's sort of like, OK, I don't think it works like that. Like, you can't just say, I'm going to pretend God exists. You're a horrible human being. And then because you got what you wanted, this guy bradie about that, right? I was always here.

I've been solid and I've been the same person. So, yeah, it sucks. It really sucks. When it happened, time has passed. And so I've sort of been like, OK, well, you know, it is what it is. I lost obviously friends, which is very easy, but the cousin stuff was really hard cause I'm a really, really close to my family. But you can't really go back as is the weird thing.

That's tough. Yeah. Noel's from Alexander. I remember you mentioned in a show once that there were good book burnings in history. Yeah. I admit I'm not well versed in history, but I'd like to know about those events. I'll give you an I'll give you an example.

I mean, obviously, all the good ones were in the Catholics burned all those books. So that's like this.

I'll give you I'll give you a that's a good work, but I'll give you I'll give you an example right now, because the the issue that I see is book burnings are just the most ridiculous example of this.

But there is always some sort of censorship. And we don't like censorship because in the American canon. That means a very particular thing that we don't like, but there are always broad swaths of speech that are illegal and they always have been in America, sedition fraud, threats, obscenity for a long time. But now it's like a little bit less so. But it is still being enforced during the George W. Bush era. Yet you had pornographers going to prison for just gross stuff.

Right. And so this would seem to me I'm not saying this is prescriptive. I'm saying it's a descriptive. All regimes say that certain things are off limits and certain things are on limits. And in America, we've protected a huge swath of speech. And I think all the important speech and what's going on right now is that we're shifting those standards.

So in in the 50s, for instance, if you were a member of a communist group, you'd lose your career in Hollywood. You couldn't work for the federal government. Alger Hiss paid a big price and no one believed there was that he was really guilty of it. The guy helped start the UN, right. He was really subverting US policy. He got cancelled. I guess that's perfectly fine thing. Bill Buckley wrote a lot of books about how great that was and wrote books and went on television, all this sort of thing.

Now you get canceled. If you say that that men are not women. Ryan Anderson gets his book burned digitally. Great phrase that you used on on Amazon. That's really bad. You get you get canceled. If you wave the American flag, you get your career promoted.

If you wave the communist flag, but you get your career canceled, if you wave the American flag. And so I actually I'm being somewhat provocative when I say there are good book burnings. What I'm really I felt provoked or provoked. But what what I really mean by that is the reason that we keep losing on this issue on political correctness ism cancel culture is because I think we're not acknowledging the reality of the situation with the left knows is some things were always off limits, some things were always accepted, and they are shifting what is off limits and what is accepted.

And because we're not going to engage in the reality of that that history from 1776 all the way to the present and even further back than that, I think that's why every time we try to fight this thing, time we lose more from pithy Michael Pitt, from William.

Where does your hate for dogs derive from? Did you have a traumatic childhood experience or something?

No, I find that to be totally useless, just these smelly, hairy beasts that don't belong in the home. Now, dogs have dogs existed, you know, for for at least go back there. What's the common ancestor for dogs, wolves and existence in the wild for millions of years? And they did just fine without being inside a home with a wall and four walls and a roof. I just don't believe that animals we we have evolved as human beings.

We have earned the home.

I don't think that dogs dogs have not earned that. And we what we've earned it.

Now, can I just say what really annoys me? What really, really pisses me off is when people say things like it's because it's anti human. When people say things like, well, we don't deserve dogs, like they see a they see a video of a dog, like bringing a slipper to his to his owner. And I say, we don't deserve dogs. No, they don't deserve us.

We do everything for them. They don't do a damn thing. But we feed them, we pick up their crap, we give them a house, we do everything.

And then you sit there and say, we don't deserve them. What? It's exactly the opposite. What have they done to deserve this? We don't bring pigs into the home. We don't bring squirrels into the home. Even a dog. Yes, even a dog can eat the scraps from his master's take.

What is. Yes, exactly. And we give them those scraps. They're not. They're not they're not bringing home food.

So before we're in favor of book burning and heat dogs.

But by the way, Jeremy quoted the Bible I vote, Jeremy quoted the Bible.

There's a book burning in the Bible in the Book of Acts, the Christians burn their sorcery books. That's a great book.

Burning your own book is not a book Burning Bin. I love your impersonations. Which do you think are your best and which do you think are your worst? My personal favorite is Bado. Let's hear it, Elizabeta. There doesn't sound anything like that is not really an impersonation so much as sort of a generalized mockery, more like better dirt. That's that's that's the bato.

My my berney is pretty good. My Obama is very good actually. I always think my Obama is underrated. My carry is good, my trump is not good. My Trump. I was never able to get Trump. You have to be kind of from New York I think all the best Trump's.

But the, the Oge best impersonation is Chris Matthews. Oh yeah. Yeah. Good Macit as I say in the morning. Come on the show. Come on, roll in here. Look now Robert De Niro is talking about rap. They said jabbering. All right, they say no good you.

And this from Sam, Congratulations on becoming a mother. How is becoming a mother changed or impacted your political views? Would love to get everyone's take on this as well. But you ain't gonna because we're going too fast for that. We're just going to get from Candice.

Just feels like. Political discussions we're having are much more severe because they're going to have implications in the society that my kids are going to come up in. So we didn't have this when I was growing up, like it was like, hey, you're a girl in your boy. Cool. I'm going to go to the girls bath. I'm going to go to the boys bathroom. You know, it's so bad. Stuff is really scary, I think, for me now because I'm just going I don't want my kid to be around.

I don't want like my kids go to somebody's house and have a playdate or like, is that mom going to be like, you can pick your genders year. So I think that that I feel like the the urgency of the political conversations that we're having today. So everything feels a bit heavier. Can I talk about being a mother as well as self identify as a woman? I could go ahead now. A feel that was it. Yeah, that was good.

It pithy. You are getting this, this last question is for everyone. What is something that actually deserves to be canceled, Drew?

Well, actually I'm actually now I've changed my mind about this. I'm not in favor of leftists cancelling other leftists for not being leftist enough, because I think the more that happens, the more they'll be fewer leftists and we can continue to welcome people in and it will basically be reduced to a few leftists and Americans. And that's a perfect situation. Backstage and that I would not be a soft pitch.

That's exactly right, that I want to go home and in reality, the entire antiracist movement needs to be canceled. This is awful for the country. It's evil, it's garbage. And people who pervert language, freedom and decency that way should not be accepted into the home of anyone who considers himself to be a decent human being.

Yeah, I have a long list, but the one that's bothering me the most this week is I want to cancel anyone who tries to cancel someone for something that they did as a teenager. Absolutely. Yeah. That's a it's the most disgusting. The whole what you're supposed to do is a child being idiot is an idiot unless they go up and then people help grow you into an adult. I received an enormous piece of grace once from someone who I had made a mistake with, and I apologized to them years later.

They were all they were an adult at the time. I was a teenager when I apologized as a young adult, they said a man should never apologize for the sins of a boy. And it was a great piece of wisdom and a great piece of grace. And we live in such a graceless culture is the reason you can't apologize. Never show him your belly. Never, ever apologize, because the whole idea of an apology is premised on a on a culture of grace.

We had this Christian culture, maybe not a Christian nation in a literal sense, but a a nation of Christians. And in a nation of Christians, an apology is a is a great virtue. It's an acknowledgement that you've done something wrong. And we respond to that act of of of virtue with another act of virtue called grace. And in a post Christian America, you only get the you acknowledged that you were wrong. You so if I call you a racist, you apologize for being a racist, say even you admit that you are racist or whatever.

But to do that to as happened at Teen Vogue, Tellefson McCalman today. That's today. Did you did you follow the story. So you actually resigned. I know that was led by the right. There's something I like about that story because what they started doing on the right is say, OK, you guys want to do the culture, we're going to lead it. And I think these these tweets were dug up by conservatives saying play by your own rules.

And she had to resign. And I kind of that kind of goes back to your point about like what I was thinking about until these people realize these rules are just not fair because they've been doing it to conservatives, the left created these rules. I don't mind.

That has to die. Don't mind mutually assured destruction.

Yeah, but I will say that I think it is the fact that there is such a rule that could apply to what people did in their youth is one of the most despicable aspects horrible of our culture.

Absolutely. Absolutely agree.

To your point, Jeremy, the late philosopher Roger Scruton said civilization thrives on forgiveness and on confession first and then forgiveness. Right? You confess, you sacrifice, your pride, you forgive, you sacrifice your resentment. Both people have something that means a lot to them and they give it up. You have society and you can't do that anymore. So kind of what we're all saying, Chesterton had a good line. He said there was a thought that stops thought and that thought ought to be stopped.

And then you had a great tweet, I hate to say you and Chesterton in the same breath, but you had a great tweet where you said there's a culture that cancels culture. And coincidentally, this is sort of the thesis of my book that's coming out that needs to be canceled. And we cannot pretend that there's some reconciliation, some middle ground between the two. There isn't. You've just got to stop that, Candice.

I would cancel easily the transgendered agenda movement, everything about it right now. I think it's it's a cancer like we've never seen before in society.

Matt, the thing that our daily wire subscribers want to see canceled the most are those tight jeans you're wearing. It's actually trending hashtag cancel mat's jeans, hashtag, hashtag, bring back loose jeans.

This is the second time I've been accused. The interview I did with Candace that I was accused of wearing skinny jeans. I just I go to the store, I say, where are your pants? And they point me to them and I just pick up a pair of pants. You shop, you call yourself a man.

You said, My wife my wife goes to the store.

I assume that's take this year from for what I'm cancelling now, which, by the way, you said giving people a pass of teen age when they're teenagers. I really think it should be like twenty five and under. I actually think if you're in your 20s or 30s, everything you said and did up to about like ten years and further, it's because you grow so much in that age frame that anyway. As far as what I would cancel any everything that preys upon kids.

So especially you go into Barnes and Noble and you see all these kids books, you know, indoctrinating ours.

Do you go in this madness? This was one day. This is one day of shopping.

All of these things that prey on kids, a drag queen story, all of that. There's one thing we need to cancel. It's the way the kids are being brought up.

Indoctrinated. Yeah.

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