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The Washington Post, where democracy dies in darkness, gagging on the lies of ignorant journalists and vomiting up the detritus of left wing insanity and finally convulsing on the floor in a pool of undeserved elite self-regard, has written a headline describing the government's so-called coronavirus relief bill. The Post's headline reads, Biden Stimulus Showers Money on Americans Sharply Cutting Poverty in defining move of presidency. Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Oh, Clavon you incorrigible purveyor of a veritable hilarity, hullabaloo, even your incomparable satirical genius sometimes goes too far.

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Even The Washington Post would not degrade itself with such transparent partisan toadying that a normal individual would hesitate to use its pages as the lining to a birdcage for fear its journalism would be indistinguishable from the crap that would drop on it. But no, I did not make this headline up. That was the actual Washington Post headline describing a bill dispersing one point nine dollars trillion make believe dollars to various progressive programs under the deceptive heading of coronavirus relief, which represents only about seven percent of the spending.

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So since American journalism has vanished up its own fundament, where democracy really does die in darkness, we at the Andrew Clavon show have decided to offer you this handy guide to what the bill actually supports. To make up for lost income during the lockdown's, the bill will disburse fourteen hundred dollars to each person who is now unemployed and has connections in the Biden administration to a maximum outlay of fourteen hundred dollars for Hunter Biden to bring unity to Americans. The bill provides 17 billion dollars to be stuffed into a big helium balloon and floated into the sky until the balloon pops and all Americans shout in unison Goodbye taxpayer money to ensure electoral fairness.

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The bill provides four hundred billion dollars, which will be arranged in the shape of Cuba, and then declared the fifty first state with 17 congressmen, all of them Democrats, to provide education for minority children. The bill includes thirty four billion dollars to give to teachers unions so they can weave the dollars into hammocks that they can then lie on. While they're not providing education for minority children, any money left over will go to beer to keep our lawmakers safe.

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The bill provides seventy two billion dollars for security to prevent anyone from entering the Capitol building who believes in representative government or has read the Constitution and to provide actual relief from the Chinese virus. Congressmen and women will drive down the streets of their districts, hurling dollar bills at the little people. The bills can then be used as Kleenex for people dying of the virus or as masks at a masquerade party where people will be allowed to dress up as Washington and Lincoln.

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As long as no one remembers who they were or what they stood for, any trillions remaining in the bill will be used for bribes. Trigger warning.

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I'm Andrew Klavan and this is the Andrew Clavon show on the HONKYTONK Just to Give. So we're also seeing you got to stop seeing these images in it's a wonderful day, makes me want to sing. Oh, brother. Oh, great. All right, we are back laughing our way through the fall of the republic, and since it is falling and there will be nothing but bloodshed and death and oppression from here on in, this would be an excellent time to subscribe to my YouTube channel, where you will get all this good content plus more.

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And something else I would really like you to do if you can afford it. I would love if you would go out and buy yourself a copy of The Emperor's Sword. It is the third book in the another Kingdom trilogy, which, unlike other fantasy trilogies, actually will only have three books. So it isn't the finale of The Emperor's Sword. You can get it on Kindle, you can get it as a real book, or you can get it on audio book where it's mangled by the lovable Michael Nulls.

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It's a this is the last stage in the story of Austen Lively, the screenwriter who is now being chased between two realities. His enemies are closing in on all sides. He has wild success in Hollywood suddenly, but he begins to realize that a recurring vision he's having is actually a nightmare. He's about to be caught in the coils of a terrible magic in both the real world and in another kingdom. This book really was delivered into my brain like the stork delivers babies.

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It was just dropped in there. I was trying to solve the problem of how I could continue writing novels after having come to faith. I mean, have after having discussed my faith in the great good thing, my memoir of my conversion. And I thought, what do I have to say that's new? How can I incorporate this? And I couldn't figure it out. And then suddenly because of faith, I think it was dropped into my head.

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And so this week I sent out a tweet and it to me, I just dashed it off. It seemed like a very simple thought but it's already had something like thirty eight thousand likes which is big for me. I'm not on Twitter all that much and the responses have been really interesting. So here's the tweet. I said, just remember during moral panics like the Salem witch trial where McCarthyism with the current weakness, the accusers think they're the heroes, then the panic passes and they're villains forever.

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That will happen this time, too. So there have been over 700 responses to this. And the reason I wanted to address this is I'm talking about a moral panic. And it was very clear from the responses from both the left and the right that either they didn't understand what a moral panic was or they were in denial about it. So. So let's let's talk about this, because I think it's important. That's what we're in. We're in a moral panic, just like the Salem witch trials, just like McCarthyism.

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That is exactly what's happening. This happens in America from time to time. It is happening right now on the right from the right. I got a lot of comments. McCarthy was right or as we say on Twitter, McCarthy was right, you idiot, because it's not like you're talking to an actual human being. Now, I'm going to talk about this more in a little while. But this is this is a mistake. This is simplistic thinking.

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I know Ann Coulter and I love Ann Coulter to death. But Ann Coulter is really is really not right about this. McCarthy, of course, was right about some things, but that is missing again, what a moral panic is. But never mind that we'll get to that in a little while. Other things that right wingers said was they said, you know, right wingers have to be pessimistic and they have to believe it's all over and there's nothing that can be done.

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And they said, well, yes, but the Chinese Cultural Revolution was a moral panic and so was Hitler's assault on the Jews. And think of the millions who were killed. I never said in my tweet that a moral panic was not destructive and dangerous. People were killed at the same time as was which trials? People's careers were ruined under McCarthyism. These this moral panic, too, will have its damage. But nobody thinks Mao's cultural revolutionaries who beat up and killed their teachers, mostly kids.

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Nobody thinks that they're the heroes anymore. Everybody knows that the villains, as the moral panic passed, even the people who slaughtered Jews and their millions thought that they were doing a great service to humanity, thought that there were heroes. And then, of course, when the panic passed and things calmed down, they were many of them hanged, but all of them were identified as the villains they were. And that's all I'm saying. When the moral panic passes, the people who think they're heroes today and the people who think that other people doing the accusing are heroes will be revealed for the villains that they, in fact, are now from the left.

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I got things that were much more what you expect, which was no, no. There really are witches in Salem. We really are the heroes when we canceled people, you know, and that's obviously what they're going to feel, that they are the people causing the moral panic. They are the people canceling people, destroying people's careers, destroying works of art, tearing down statues, tearing things down. And they're the people who are in the moral panic.

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They are the accusers. They are the villains. Now, one more subtle comment that I got was that comments from the left saying, well, McCarthy and the witch hunters were, in fact, conservative in some sense. McCarthy obviously was a conservative and the witch hunters were pure Puritans and trying to preserve their power. And that's true. And that is what is true of the left today. The left are the conservatives. They are trying to conserve their cultural dominance.

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They're trying to serve their governmental power. The progressives are the true progressive force in America. They represent elite and corporate power structures that are using activist as cover BLM Tomohiko coach Bernie Sanders AOC. They serve the power. They serve the powers that be, and that's why all the money goes to them, and that's why all the elite schools are following them and that's why all the corporations are following them. They are the conservative, regressive force in America.

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Conservatives are trying to keep alive and resurrect one of the greatest and most liberating revolutions in history, the American Revolution, where the revolutionaries we are, they are the reactionaries. We are the people trying to keep freedom alive. OK, now the other comment and I got this from the right and the left, and it just drives me nuts was no there.

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No one's being canceled there. These are private entities of Amazon doesn't want to cover carry a book on transgenderism if Dr Seuss people don't want to publish. But, you know, there's that's perfectly legal.

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This is not about legality. It has nothing to do with legality. I hope their legal methods that we can by which we can stop this from happening. I hope there are I hope there are legal ways to fight back. But even if they aren't, it is wicked. It is wrong. And there are plenty of things there are plenty of things that are legal that are wicked and wrong. And this is a wicked, wrong thing that they are doing.

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Artists like Dr. Seuss, who wasn't, in fact a great artist like Disney, because now they're making it harder to see Dumbo because of the Black Crows who sing a song. Although they're perfectly benevolent people, they they are now canceling things. And Disney, almost every Disney of the old Disney films has some kind of racial stereotype. And we are Siamese, if you please, and all this stuff. These artworks do what art does. They preserve the experience of being human in their time, OK?

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They preserve what's eternal about being human and what's ephemeral about the time. And that's how we understand and how we progressed through works of art. Just like a mathematics book preserves mathematical information, art preserves internal the internal experience of being human through time.

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We accept those works of art with all their flaws, just like we accept each other with all their flaws. These are works of art that communicate a soul through time.

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It's an amazing thing. It's a magical thing that art projects the soul of mankind through time. And to cancel them is an evil. It's a barbaric thing to do. It's a stupid thing to do. And believe me, believe me, if it isn't illegal, if it's not breaking the First Amendment and destroying our rights now, it will. People who start out burning books end up burning people every single time. So we cherish these works. We do not cancel them.

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We don't argue over each one. We don't argue over the worth of each one. We keep all of the voices alive because we're not afraid. We're Americans. We're courageous in accepting all opinions and believing that the truth will out. OK, so whatever you think about the legal aspect, something evil and destructive is happening in our country and it is a moral panic. OK, so what is a moral panic? You know, and I thought, like, I want to find like some expert talking on this or it's just not me.

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And I found a website called Thought Co and it has a very concise and I don't know what their politics are.

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They seem kind of liberal in maybe the better sense of that word, but I don't have no idea. I just knew that this was an excellent description by Ashley Crossman. Moral panic is a widespread fear, most often an irrational one, that someone or something is a threat to the values, safeties and interests of a community or society at large. So during the Salem witch trial, it was the devil. During the McCarthy era, it was communist, and now it's white supremacists and other forms of bigotry.

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OK, and obviously the devil's real communists were real and there were white supremacists. But the moral panic is is not treating those things in a sane, rational way. There was a writer named Stanley Cohen who wrote about this, a sociologist, and again, kind of a liberal guy. And here's what he says there. Five stages to a moral panic. And that's this. These are the five. First something or someone is perceived and defined as a threat to social norms.

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Remember the left, the preserving the social norms and the interests of the community or society at large. Second, the news media and community members depict the threat and simplistic, symbolic ways. Now, remember that simplistic, symbolic ways that quickly become recognizable to the greater public. Third, widespread public concern is aroused, by the way the news media portrays the symbolic representation of the threat for the authorities and policymakers respond to the threat, be it real or perceived, with new laws or policies.

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In the final stage, the moral panic and the subsequent actions of those in power lead to social change in the community. And again, what we said, increased social control. That's the aim. All right. So let's take a look at this just for a minute. The news media plays its role, they write, by breaking the news about the threat and continuing to report on it. So let's take a look. That George Floyd trial that's coming up, that Derek Chauvin, the the police officer, kneeled on the neck, knelt on the neck of George Floyd, is coming up for trial.

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Here's how CBS spoke about this, is that we're talking to a a black activist lawyer about another police shooting. Here's how CBS covered this.

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George floor was supposed to be the turning point where we saw these killings come down.

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According to records, since the day after George Floyds death back in May, more than one hundred black people have been killed by the police.

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So, again, you know, let's not be boneheaded about this and let's not be reactionary. There is a problem with high crime in black neighborhoods, right? That means the police are going to engage in black neighborhoods. The more white people, far more white people killed by the police than black people. And the police do not use deadly force against black people, even percentage wise, more than they do against white people. But there is a problem with crime in black communities.

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We have essentially seven percent of the people, black males, committing 50 percent of the murders. However, however, you can understand how the majority of black people who are innocent, people who are good citizens. Right. How it is for them that they become suspects because of these crimes. So you can understand that there is a motion there that we can identify with. I've seen black kids chased out of stores were doing absolutely nothing because the store owner had been robbed by other black kids and thought, well, these are the people who look suspicious to me.

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I'm going to chase out this innocent kid. You can understand where the store owner is coming from, but we can also understand what that means to that kid who just wants to go in and look at whatever is in the store. So so, you know, we understand that the emotion. Is there that emotion, is there what does a responsible politician or commentator do? He acknowledges the emotion, he acknowledges the problem. He doesn't he's not quick to point fingers.

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He's quick to say, well, how are we going to solve this problem of high crime in the black community? Because obviously not the police's fault, but the police become the enemy. Right? That's not what politicians do. OK, here's the way you start a moral panic. Here is AOC, Alexandrea, occasional cortex, right. Talking about police killings and police treatment of black people cut 50.

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Now, far too much of the discussion around the issue of white supremacist infiltration and policing focuses on whether this problem exists at all. And we have known for generations that it's not a question about whether this problem is an issue. It's a matter of of how we have allowed it to sustain for so long. Congress as well has been complicit in our silence, has been allowed, has allowed for more violence and continued generational trauma in our communities. The question was raised by the ranking member early earlier.

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Why do we keep talking about this? We keep talking about this because we have not solved this problem. And I want to make very clear that when we talk about systemic racism, we aren't litigating the individual attitudes of any one officer. We can all exist in racist systems and you do not have to be racist or consciously racist in order to participate in these systems. And I think it's quite evident when you look at the outcome of the war on drugs, a systemic racism is about the laws that are on the books.

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It is about the types of enforcement that happens. It's about how how many officers get designated to some communities more than others that yields race racial disparities in their outcomes. It doesn't have to do with litigating each and every one individual officer simplistic and symbolic, right.

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It is simplistic and symbolic. Doesn't matter whether you're innocent or not, you are in a racist system. It doesn't matter that there is high drug use. You know, it is true that the war on drugs cost black people terribly because there was a lot of problems with drugs in the black community and they were making their communities unlivable. But we can also understand that having so many of your males arrested is devastating to a community, too. We understand that there are problems.

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That's the whole thing. The problems were real. But what she is doing, what she is doing is irresponsible. What she is doing is causing this kind of massive problem with the country that can never be solved. You can never purge the devil from yourself because you don't even know it's there.

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You don't it's not even conscious racism. This is the way you cause a panic. Why race? Why is race the issue? Well, because it's socialism. Socialism is the transfer of power from individuals to the state under the theory that the state is a moral entity instead of what we know it to be, which is a bunch of power hungry ratbags. The founders knew the state is a bunch of power hungry ratbags. Karl Marx thought, Oh, it's the wonderful state is going to fix everything.

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It's the big flaw, the big lie embedded in socialism. OK, so why race? Because when socialism was invented, it was invented in Europe where class was the unequal, the disqualifying factor. You've all seen my pal Julian Fellowes, Downton Abbey, right. Know wonderful stories about how class locked people in. And they're still very bothered and bitter about this. But we didn't have that problem here. Here we don't look at Oprah Winfrey and think she came from nothing.

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We look at Oprah Winfrey. We went, wow, she came from nothing. Look what she accomplished.

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That's very different than what it was in Europe. So they couldn't use class. So they used race because we did have a problem with race and race and racism in this country. And so they use that to transfer power from the individual to the ratbags in the state. That is what they're trying to do. That's what this moral panic is all about. It's not like there are no problems. It's not like we have to react and say, oh, everything's fine.

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This is great. Everything's perfect. That's not the point. The point is they're using simplistic, symbolic language to make all of us terrified so they can transfer the power that belongs to you. To the ratbags who are supposed to be the perfect state. So just last night, I was discussing with a good friend the fact that I want to get a hearing aid and she said, actually, I don't know what you said because I couldn't hear a word she was saying.

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I actually do feel sorry for Megan Merkl. She is married to an emasculated, entitled prince. So I wasn't going to talk about this at all because my indifference to the British monarchy is almost total. I lived in England, as you know, for seven years. I never cared about the monarchy at all. I like the willowy one with the long black. I was a Kate because she's elegant and sweet and she reminds me of my wife. And now you have all my opinions about the British monarchy have been laid out.

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But I, I have to because it actually was a it was a cultural moment and it did point to something about this moral panic. It pointed to the fact that moral panic always makes the powerful more powerful, is always helpful. It always solidifies power. OK, because obviously, look, Meghan Markle is obviously, I think this spoiled, attention seeking actress. Everybody who knows better says the same thing. She's what one of her co-stars know. Her sister, I think it was said she had narcissistic personality disorder.

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Which what does that make her? It makes her an actress. Right. So it's really it's not a really strange thing, but she's latched on to this poor guy who lost his mom. He lost his crazy mom at an early age and was obviously looking for something that she gave him. And she, I guess, thought she was going to be Diana. She thought she was going to be beloved of the people and kind of a victim, but also beloved of the people.

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Instead, the press and the people turned on her. They thought she was an entitled American who wasn't going to fulfill the duties of the monarchy. Whatever gave them that idea, I couldn't know. But here's the important thing, OK? It's easy.

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You know, we do this on the right where we dismiss and they do it on the left to where we dismiss the problems of rich people.

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I don't dismiss the problems of rich people because there is no there is no amount of wealth that absence you from the pain of being a human being. OK, I'm watching this interview. It's Oprah and the Prince and Meghan Markle.

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And I'm thinking, wow, those are the three richest people I've ever seen together at one time. But Oprah was born poor. She was apparently molested. You know, again, we admire her for her wealth and it doesn't take away the pain of being Oprah Winfrey. She's still going to be a human being with pain. And Harry, the Prince Harry lost his mom and was absolutely devoted to his mother. You know, no money. You know, to think about that as a little boy lost his mother, nothing.

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You can't buy that pain away.

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And even Meghan Markle, her parents were divorced when she was a little girl. That's, as I say, that's blowing up your planet. These are people suffering, people in suffering. My problem is my problem is that that they have no sense of context and know what they call noblesse oblige. OK, you know, when I hear her say something like this, here's here's what Meghan Markle said about her experience being in the royal family has cut thirteen.

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Look, I was really ashamed to say it at the time and a shame to have to admit it to Harry especially. Because I know how much loss he suffered. But I knew that if I didn't say it, that I would do it and I just didn't I just didn't want to be alive anymore.

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That's what she's talking about, suicide. I don't know whether that's true or not, obviously, but, you know, I can believe it. I can't believe people people have problems, you know, that no amount of money buys you out of the problems and pain of being a human being. But Noblesse Noblesville Blige, which the dictionary defines as the moral obligation of those of high birth power, powerful social position, et cetera, to act with honor, kindness, generosity.

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Here's where I get lost with Meghan.

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Markle's cut 14 in those months when I was pregnant all around this same time. So we have in tandem the conversation of you won't be given security, it's not going to be given a title. And also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born. What OK. The answer to that is not what, but who said that, of course, if this is journalism, if we're supposed to believe this, you've got to find out who said it because and we don't even know how it was said.

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It may have been Harry sitting around with his brother and his brother said, you know, cool, might you know, that baby comes out, dog. It'll drive the old lady crackers. What it's like we don't know what people were saying and we don't know anything about it. We don't know whether she's making it up. We don't know whether the butler did it. We don't know anything about it. So it's just. In terms of passing judgment on it, the only thing I can think of is, is that you are not a societal victim.

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You are you have won the societal prize. You were born and you have married into one of these rich families. You're going to be rich forever. You're going to be famous forever. You're not a societal victim. You're nothing because misery out of the pain of being human. But you there are people in this in this country and in that country who have been complete, who have completely fallen through the cracks of life, who are completely lost and completely, you know, right this minute I'm trying to sell my house, you know, and it's it's stressful.

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And I've got a lot of projects going on. It's stressful. All blessings is all blessings, but it's stressful.

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The other day I was talking to a friend of mine, a guy I really like and admire, and he's got illness in his family. He's got illness. And what would you think of me? What would God think of me? What would I think of me if I said, Oh, you think that's a problem? But I think you got problems or there's a sickness, a sickness, illness, death. You know, I got I got problems.

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I got so many projects. I don't know what it's like. It's a little bit of context. Right. A little bit of understanding of who you are. But they don't have it because they're in the know they're in a moral panic. They know where the power is situated, the situated the power is situated with the panic. And they want to be part of that. They want to include themselves.

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And there were people in the left screaming, oh, you're racist.

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If you don't take the series, come on. You know, get stuff that's like that's that is ridiculous. Again, I don't dismiss their lives. I don't dismiss their pain, but that the moral panic is always serving the powerful. And that's why the powerful and the elite are jumping on board. There's this tech reporter, Taylor Llorens for The New York Times. She has it's International Women's Day and she tweets for International Women's Day. Please consider supporting women enduring online harassment because people are criticizing her for the things she writes.

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Well, you know, I mean, Ben Shapiro gets hit with more anti-Semitic remarks than anybody I know. But he didn't come in and say, oh, you know, like for national Yom Kippur, let's like poor Ben Shapiro alone, Glenn Greenwald, the last leftist with integrity. I think he went nuts. He said with all the suffering and deprivation and real persecution in the world, it is utterly astonishing how often coddled, well-paid, highly privileged, quaffed, insulated, protected US elites posture as the world's most oppressed class.

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It is quite sickening and offensive, right? That's right. But it is. But they are buying in to the power flow, right? The power is flowing in this direction because of the moral panic they are getting on the moral panic train and they're saying, I want to be part of that power. And it always ends up serving the powerful because the weak aren't going to get on that train. They can't get on the train. I just have to quote this one tweet from Iowa.

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Hawk was just he's great. He is one of the funniest people on the Internet. And he was David Berg. His name is. He says, I'm no good at being noble from Casablanca. I'm no good at being noble. But it doesn't take much to see that the problems of seven billion little people don't amount to a hill of beans compared to the troubles of the New York Times social media tattletale, wealthy white girl from a ninety thousand dollar Swiss boarding school.

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Right. And again, it's a question of context. As many as three million children in the US haven't received any education since their schools shuttered in March. Three million children. Who do you think those are? You think those are the children of the Meghan Markle's of the world? You think those are the children of the Taylor Lorenz's of the world?

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No, of course they're not. You know, and when.

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And watch this. Watch this. One of the most powerful unions in the country is the Los Angeles Teachers Union. Right here is the president of the Los Angeles Teachers Union on the idea of going back to school.

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Nine, If you condition funding on the reopening of schools, that money will only go to white and wealthier schools that do not have the transmission rates that low income black and brown communities do.

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This is a recipe for propagating structural racism, and it is deeply unfair to the students.

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We serve three million poor children. What she's talking about is the money she's going to get from this coronavirus thing. It sends money to teachers without demanding they go back to work. And she wants that dough. She wants that cash. And those three million kids who have fallen through the class, through the cracks, who are probably so many of the minority kids, all of them certainly poor kids, they're gone. It doesn't matter because it's racist. It's racist.

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She is on that power moral panic train. It always serves the powerful and the purpose of it. You want to see the purpose of it writ large. Here is Gavin Newsom, this quaffed son of a gun who is goes out and dies while he tells everybody else they got to stay at home. He's dining out without a mask and a thing and then making sure that all the little businesses close.

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Here he is playing his hand. It's an amazing thing. He's sitting in. He's standing in Dodgers Stadium to say, oh, look how many Californians have died. All these empty seats represent people who have died. And here's what he tells you about these lockdowns. This is cut twenty to. You know, when this pandemic ends and it will end soon, we're not going to go back to normal because I think we all agree that normal is never good enough in a normal accepts inequity.

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That's why Latinos are dying from Kovik at a higher rate than any other racial or ethnic group. And while essential workers wages aren't enough for them to afford the essentials and why mothers, mothers have been leaving the workforce in staggering numbers, look, our eyes are wide open to what's wrong. And so our journey back must also be a path to close those inequities.

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Never let a crisis go to waste, right? We can't go back to normal. There's inequalities in our system. The normal three, there's inequality. He's telling you what they're doing. He is telling you all the panic is about transferring your power to the power to the state on the theory that the state is a moral entity that can do things better than you can and make better moral decision because you're deplorable, you're irredeemable. You're not going to make the great decisions that the state is going to make.

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The power hungry ratbags are the saints of our culture, you know. I mean, that's just revealing what the whole thing is, is why the powerful are on this train, why is always is always the powerful. They use the people. You know, if you can have a poor guy yelling into a camera, if you can find a poor guy yelling into the camera, you know, about about structural racism, you know, you'll use them, you'll use them.

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But they're not the people talking about this. It is the powerful. It is the elite. We're talking about this because they know what it's doing. It is causing this flow of energy that is pushing power from the individual to the state. That's what a moral panic is. And again, again, right wingers make this dumb mistake. Right wingers make this dumb mistake. They say there's no black people haven't got a problem. You know, black.

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Everybody's free, everybody's equal, everything's fine, you know? No, no. When you have a high crime in your community that is going to affect the innocent, it affects the innocent. When you have drugs coming in into your community and we crack down on drugs and all the males get arrested, that's a problem in the black community. Even the feeling, you know, I know we say facts don't care about your feelings, but if you have this widespread feeling that you are being persecuted, that you were being picked upon, it is a problem.

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These are our fellow Americans. We want them to thrive. We want them to be happy. What we don't want what we don't want is the powerful using their pain to cause a moral panic in order to transfer power from the individual to the state. That's what we're protesting. We are not protesting that there isn't a history of racism here. We're not saying that that has nothing to do with anything. We are protesting the way they are using the truth.

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There is a devil, but those people who are hanged for witchcraft were unfairly treated. There were communists. But those people who are chased out of Hollywood and lost their jobs because of their associations and their beliefs were unfairly treated. Those are two separate things. Right? So we're not denying certain realities. We are denying their use of them, their misuse of them, their abuse of them to do what they are trying to do. And, you know, it's really interesting.

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You know, I've now I've got my my vaccines. I'm done. I'm done with this thing, you know? I mean, look, I could catch anything at my age. I could go like that folks in the middle of this. And I may not get to the end of the sentence. I might my time may just run out as I'm talking, but I'm not going to live afraid, you know, I'm not going to live locked down and I'm not going to.

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Here's the CDC director, Michelle Wollensky, telling people how they should behave. I just I have to play this just for the humor of it, really telling people how they should behave once they get a vaccine.

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If you and a friend or you and a family member are both vaccinated, you can have dinner together wearing masks without distancing. You can visit your grandparents if you have been vaccinated and they have been to. CDC recommends that fully vaccinated people can visit with unvaccinated people from one other household indoors without wearing masks or physical distancing as long as the unvaccinated people and any unvaccinated members of their household are not at high risk for severe covid-19 disease. I hope you got that.

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I'm taking notes.

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Oh, no, I'm just writing screw you on this piece of paper, because let's face it, you know, we are going back to normal because if the old people get vaccinated, everybody else is going to get the flu. Everybody else will get a flu.

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So what you know, that's not the problem is the old people get vaccinated. The deaths are going to go down. They are going down. They're dropping as we speak. And, you know, it's funny, you know, I have this great doctor who is a really, really knowledgeable guy.

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I said to him, am I going to spread this disease any more? No, you're not. You know, he and he has no dog in the fight. He doesn't care, you know, and he's my doctor so far to the left. I tell him I go to him to have my heart rate raised, my blood pressure raised. So, you know, these these are the things that I just want to emphasize because I want us to be fighting the right fight.

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And there was going to say McCarthyism was very bad, but woak justice is very good and totally not the same thing in any way.

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Yeah. Yeah. I really want to address this kind of right wing meme that says that McCarthy was right. And the reason I want to address it is because it is way, way too simplistic. And it I think it puts conservatism in bad odor. It makes us look bad when we kind of bloviate like that and sort of throw those things out there. And I realize it's a problem because the entire history of this period has been a lie perpetrated by the left.

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The entire history has been a lie perpetrated by the left, and most people don't know anything about it. So I want to just talk a little bit about what McCarthyism, what McCarthy and McCarthyism were. And remember, in my tweet, in my original tweet, I didn't say anything about McCarthy. I talked about McCarthyism, which is a term that was framed by a communist to make McCarthy look bad. But it now has a meaning, right? It now means basically causing a moral panic.

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And a lot of people just say this from the beginning. A lot of people confuse McCarthy with the House un-American Activities Committee that hounded people in Hollywood and even sent some artists to jail and questioned them. But remember, McCarthy was a senator and he was the House un-American activities. So they were actually quite different. McCarthy had nothing to do with the Hollywood blacklist except to be part of that red scare that they got caught up in. Now, what would the right wingers mean when they say McCarthy was right?

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Well. There was during the Roosevelt and Truman eras, there was a lot of suspiciously lax security over the government that allowed communist spies to infiltrate the government at various levels, including the State Department, at very high levels. Right. And these were remember, these are like Stalinist, right. These were guys who were supporting Stalin's Soviet Union. If you've never read Witness, I highly recommend that it is a spectacular, even life changing book by a guy named Whittaker Chambers who started out as a Soviet spy and then found God and changed his ways.

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And he accused the guy in the State Department, Alger Hiss, and the press loves him. She was an upper class guy. He was an elegant guy in the State Department. They demonize Whittaker Chambers. They demonized Richard Nixon, who helped bring this down, and they were wrong. Alger Hiss was a Russian spy high up in the State Department and he deserved everything he got. And so this is the kind of thing that like for years afterwards, it was like, oh, that Richard that red baiting Richard Nixon.

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Richard Nixon was right and they were wrong. And they reason they were so eager to destroy Richard Nixon is because they never forgave him for being right. Just like with Trump. Sometimes they just never forgave Richard Nixon for being right. They loved Alger Hiss and Alger Hiss was a spy. The Rosenbergs, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for selling for giving nuclear secrets to the Soviets, and they became a cause celeb on the left. You never if you've ever read the book, The Book of Daniel by E.L. Doctorow that raised Doctorow to literary stardom with its sympathetic portrayal of this.

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Here's here's The Guardian writing about this. The Guardian, obviously the left wing newspaper in England. The Rosenbergs has been accused of handing over materials to the Soviets that helped them develop a nuclear bomb. The trial judge said in his summation that as a result, they had helped bring about the Korean War. His judgment paved the way for McCarthyism, for more inquests into un-American activities and for the persecution and humiliation of many innocent people. It was a catastrophe for the American left and for decency and justice and decency.

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Well, after the fall of the Soviet Union, many what they called the Venona cables came out. There were communications in the Soviet Union that revealed that they were Soviet spies, that they were, in fact, executed properly for treason. So all of this history has been rewritten and been pumped in to the culture as this horrible, horrible thing that happened. And and it just it's just not true, and so when you get to MacCarthy, we immediately have this thing where we say McCarthy was right.

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It's not that simple. You know, there's an article about this in the Claremont Review of Books by Arthur Hermann, who's very sympathetic to McCarthy, by the way, Arthur Hermann. And I know it's a great article because it was edited by my son, Spencer Clavon No Relation, who works over at the Claremont Review of Books. If you get a chance to look at Arthur Hermann on McCarthyism, he says, he says many positive things about McCarthy.

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Here's the thing. The New Deal Democrats had looked away and some two hundred Soviet Union Soviet agents had infiltrated the government. That was true, and probably the worst of them was Alger Hiss. But by the time McCarthy was operational, right at the time, he took up the cause. Eisenhower was in office and Truman and Eisenhower, they had exposed and expelled almost all of the Soviet spies who were already gone. Right. OK, what McCarthy wanted to do was he wanted to get at the Democrats for letting that happen.

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He wanted to get at the Democrats by letting it happen. McCarthy was a drunk. He was a hyper ambitious guy. And he went about this in. How can I put it as simplistic and symbolic way that destroyed people's lives, destroyed people's trust, spread a moral terror? He did not do it as a responsible politician, might have done it by by getting out good information. He did it by waiting lists in the air. He did it by accusing the military.

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There was in the military, even the military, there was security that let some communists get in there. But most of these people had already been purged. And so when he was interviewing people and accusing people, even if they were guilty, he was destroying people's lives for their opinion. And that's the thing and for their political points of view. And that's the thing that we are basically complaining about now. And so that he was using Adam in tactics, that's how bad he was.

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He was as bad as Adam Schiff going after Trump for Russian collusion. That never happened. And it was one thing of accuse it for. It's one thing to accuse the Democrats of having been soft on communism. They were. But then he went after the Eisenhower and the Republicans and the Army and people were had just had it with him. And that was what brought him down, you know, so so the fact that he did this stuff cause this helped cause this moral terror, which is what he meant to do to solidify his power, he was protecting his power and causing this moral terror and the fact that it was based on truth, just like this, some racism in the country.

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But the race, the systemic race thing is a moral panic. It's a moral panic, just like there some truth to it. That's what McCarthyism was doing. So McCarthy was doing it.

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So McCarthyism is a fair phrase in a lot of ways for using things that are rightly to be feared, rightly to be hated, but by for using those to cause a moral panic. And that's why I don't think the McCarthy is right meme is really the right one. And when McCarthy's name got attached to this, I was talking about McCarthy ism, you know, really bad things happened in Hollywood.

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And what's so infuriating now is the people who have been whining and complaining about the Hollywood blacklist, which was wrong. The people who've been complaining about that are now blacklisting people like me. They're blacklisted conservatives and truly blacklisting Gina Carano is fired for acting while conservative. She didn't say anything wrong. She was fired for being a conservative, just like during the blacklist. People went to prison. Dashiell Hammett, I think Dashiell Hammett served some time in jail. Dalton Trumbo, a horrible human being and a total Stalinist sympathizer, but also a terrific writer who wrote the movie Spartacus under a pseudonym.

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He was blacklisted. He shouldn't have been blacklisted. Zero Mostel, a leftist, probably a communist, a great, great actor. I saw Zero Mostel create the role of TVU in Fiddler on the Roof on Broadway. He was a brilliant, brilliant performer. You don't destroy a guy for his politics. This is America, right? You have a right to have stupid politics. You're almost all artists are nuts. Artists are really crazy. They believe stupid stuff, just like they believe it today.

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But just like it was wrong what they did to Gina Carano, just like it was wrong. What they did to Kevin Hart, it was this is why I don't want to argue about each issue, about each instance of council culture. I want it to stop. It is McCarthyism. It is moral panic. It is there to solidify power with the powerful. It is there to take your power away and to move it into the hands and to preserve it in the hands of a league of elites.

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If you think it's wrong what they did to Gina Carano, then we have to say that it's wrong what they did to Zero Mostel, right? I mean, we don't like communism. I don't think communism. They don't like conservatism. They don't like Republicans. They don't like freedom. You know, I understand. But people are supposed to be able to speak and have different opinions and fight it out. We are Americans. We are not going to be afraid of speech.

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We are not going to be afraid of speech. We're not going to let them make us afraid of speech. We're not going to let them we're not going to play this game that conservatives fall into all the time of reacting to what they say by saying the polar opposite just because it's it gets under their skin. Right. We I am I will tell you I am for freedom of speech. Are there limits on speech? Of course. I can't threaten your life.

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I can't libel you against slander you. There are all kinds of limits on speech, but your opinions, your political opinions are not among them. You are allowed to have whatever political opinions you have as long as you keep from stirring up violence. As long as you keep from hurting other people over them, you are allowed to have those opinions. We have to stay with that principle, even when it's or even when it serves the left. They want to make it stop because they know they know they've lost the argument.

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They know they have nothing to say. But gimme, gimme, gimme. They that's why they want to shut us up. They know they're not dealing with reality anymore, and that's why they want to silence us. You do not silence people when your right you silence people when they're right. And that is what's happening right now.

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He says it happened four children in the most inconspicuous of ways. It was relayed through toys and dolls, cartoons and children's shows, fairy tales and children's books. What's interesting to me about this is I experienced the same thing when I was growing up. I wrote about this in The Great Good Thing, my memoir that the literature that I loved was filled with anti-Semitism there. Shylock and Shakespeare. That was Robert Cohn in The Sun Also Rises by Hemingway, one of my favorite writers when I was a kid, Fagin, the Jew, the Evil Jew, and Charles Dickens.

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And so I was I was completely informed that this culture that I loved, that I felt completely a part of it was a totally American kid had in it this this anti-Semitism. And I didn't want those things silenced. I wanted to understand them and know them and fight against them and understand where they came from and what they said about the society I was in. I loved my culture. I loved the culture I was in. And I didn't find myself diminished by their opinions.

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I just thought, like, wow, you know, how could these guys who I like so much, how could they have had those feelings? And I and I started to learn things about it. It was really interesting. I write about the whole thing. But but now.

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Now, because the left is conceived, this idea where everything is, is there's nothing inside you to fight back or to answer these things. You're only the creation of a power structure now. Words of violence and everything that happens is shaping you. So he went on to attack the Warner Brothers cartoon, Pepe Lupu, the the French seducer of cats, because he would mistake. He was a skunk and he would mistake cats for skunks, I guess. And they were hilarious.

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And he wrote that Pepe Lupu is added to rape culture. He grabs kisses a girl, the stranger you repeatedly without consent and against her will. She struggles to get away from him, but he won't release three locks of door to prevent her from escaping. His rape is rape culture. Now, we should actually play a bit of this. I think a guy is complaining about a Warner Brothers cartoon. Really, really has to get a life. I really think it's embarrassing for The New York Times that we know why he's doing it now.

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We know it's to cause to ride the wave of this moral panic. That's why they're doing it. That's why these rich, privileged guys like Charles Blow are doing this stuff. But Pepe Lupu was great. Mel Blanc, who did all the voices, every single voice, and Warner Brothers was probably the greatest voice talent of all time. He was one of the true he was one of those true quirky American geniuses. Here's a scene of Pepe Leffew trying to seduce this cat, which I just find absolutely hilarious.

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Cut eighteen don't let the lips of Hey. A lady feminine female Girlschool. In this plane, a young man's love lightly turns to thoughts of fancy. Keep your guard up, Sherry. No young lover, whoever you are, I am papilla you everyone should have a hobby, don't you think? Mine is making love?

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You are a girl.

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I am a boy. We have all that in common, darling. Makalu, darling. You may call me Streetcar because of my desire for a. If you're not if you're not just listening, not watching. She kicks him in the head and takes off and she's a cat who's made a mistake to begin with. It is absolutely hilarious. Let's talk about seduction for a while. Let's talk about what seduction means and why they're mistaking seduction for rape culture.

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You know, a while back, I was writing a story about a private school and I went to a friend of mine who was running a private school and to interview him because it was about, you know, young people. And I didn't know what was going on. And he said, one thing you have to know is that and he was much the guy who was talking to my friend was much younger than me. But he said it's much different even than when I went to school.

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When I went to school, it was conceived that women had something you wanted and you had to convince them to give it to you. That was the job. That was the game that you were in today. The women don't feel that way, that sex is like buying a pack of cigarettes. It's nothing. They they just hop into bed together and there's no interplay between them.

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Well, this that dynamic, that dynamic of of men trying to seduce women and women resisting seduction was built into evolution because women have a much higher stake in the outcome. Here's here's the way scientists put. But what's it? Women incur a substantially larger, minimal cost in reproduction. I egg nine month gestation lactation compared with men, e.g. single instance of sperm provision which necessitates employment of stringent mate selection criteria to offset these costs. Right. That means that women have a lot more at stake.

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And so they have evolved to have more emotional sense of of, you know, modesty, of protecting themselves, of keeping men out. But at the same time, of course, they also want to have children. So they want to be in that that argument. But ultimately, they want to lose that argument with the right man. Right now, it's the opinion of this show of the CLAVON show that femininity and masculinity are an alignment of the spirit with the spiritual truths that our bodies tell.

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Right. We perform those truths to some degree. We act out those truths even when we don't always feel them, because the truths enrich our lives. The truths are eternal. They're part of another level of meaning. And we act them out because they connect our bodies to the truth that our bodies are conveying. On the left is all just, you know, if you have birth control, what's the problem? Now you can throw away your modesty.

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Now you can throw away all the things that you were evolved to feel. We believe those things are not just physical. We I believe those things are not just physical. They are actually indications of higher truths. Now, you know, they say like women have a larger cost in reproduction. But I say the truth is that that truth tells them about a feminine principle of modesty, restraint, and basically demanding, demanding that lust come along with some kind of commitment, with some kind of love, with some kind of of affection for the person that you are making love to.

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So they have an interest in modesty, but they also have an interest in surrendering. And that's why we enjoy watching the game. We enjoy watching the game of surrender. That's why, you know, that song that they're now trying to demonize is rape culture, baby. It's cold outside. This came from a movie called I Can't Remember. It's called Neptune's Neptune's Daughter. Something like that. Anyway, started Ricardo Montalban and Esther Williams. And people don't remember Ricardo Montalban.

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But for those of you who remember Billy Crystal used to have this joke, darling, you look marvelous. That was an imitation of Ricardo Montalban because he was what they then called a Latin lover. So here is where the movie scene in which this seduction song was introduced is a brief clip.

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You know, what an evening that started out so badly. It has definite possibilities. No, no, no.

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Before you drink, you must always say, you know, are you.

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You know, on second thought, yes, I really can't say it's cold outside, I've got to go away. It's cold outside. This evening has been hoping that you drop me and every night I'll hold your hands.

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They're just like my mother will start to watch your. My father will be pacing the floor. Listen to the fireplace. So, really, I'd better scurry. Please. Well, maybe just a half a drink. More. Some records on while I fall.

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So you know what's funny about it in the movie? A comedic comic actor of this. I'm named Red Skelton does the song later where he's being seduced by the woman and the woman is the aggressor and he's the resistor. And that's comical because it goes against the now, he'd have to have an operation to do that scene, but then it just it was comical because it goes against the standard ideas. But it also admits that there are variations in people.

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And it's you know, it's funny because those variations make us laugh.

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So the left sees rape culture and we see this kind of dance, this beautiful dance of male and female. That's what I see. I see the beautiful dance of male and female, one of them insisting on the life that the life force be served and the other insisting that the life of force serve something higher than itself. It's a really interesting dance. It's a really interesting and civilising dance. It is why we have come as far as we have, and it's why the left is reducing us to animalistic behavior that degrades everybody because they've taken out one.

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I always tell you they hate the feminine. They hate the feminine because it keeps them from being free, utterly free to just redefine reality any way they want, because it has demands, because it has suffered consequences. Right. And is still suffering those consequences emotionally, by the way. It is still suffering those consequences emotionally, even if they don't even if a woman doesn't get pregnant. So this leads me to one of the greatest poems in the English language.

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And probably offhand, I'm thinking that's probably the greatest seduction poem ever written. It was by Andrew Marvel. I was called to his coy mistress. I'm going to read the entire thing to you because it's not that long and it is one of the most beautiful poems ever. And I suggest that after I read it, you go and look it up. Andrew Marvel was a friend of John Milton's We Remember who wrote Paradise Lost. And he was a Christian man.

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He was a he was, I think, an Anglican basically in that time. And the thing to remember about him is that because he believes in another plane of meaning and he believes in an afterlife, he's speaking in the voice of the seducer. But he doesn't necessarily the the voice of the woman is silent, but it's assumed he's assuming the voice of the woman and her virtue. Right. He's making the argument that she should sleep with him. But because we know something about him, we know there's a kind of irony in what he's saying and almost making fun of the seducer at the same time.

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So you don't have to take it. You don't have to take it entirely seriously. This is what they call a carpe diem poem, Seize the Day. And it's the expression of the life force in male desire, but also a suggestion of the reticence and the higher force in female reticence. And what is saying just to because poetry, sometimes it's hard to understand. What is saying is if there were no death, we could play the seduction game forever.

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But since time will strip away our flesh, we should go at it right now. OK, let me read this poem to you. It's it's a great one. Had we but world enough and time this coyness lady were no crime. We would sit down and think which way to walk and pass. Our Long Love's Day vow by the Indian Ganges side shouldst rubies find by the tide of Humber would complain. I would love you ten years before the flood.

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And you should, if you please refuse till the conversion of the Jews. My vegetable love should grow faster than empires and more slow. Hundred years should go to pre praise thine eyes and on my forehead gaze two hundred to adore each breast but thirty thousand to the rest and age, at least to every part. And the last age should show your heart for lady. You deserve the state nor what I love at lower rate. But. At my back, I always hear times we had chariot hurry near and yonder all before us.

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Lord Desert's a vast eternity by beauty shall no more be found nor in thy marble vault shall sound my echoing song. Then worms shall try that long preserved virginity and your quaint honor turn to dust and into ashes. All my lust, the graves of fine and private place. But none, I think, do their embrace now. Therefore, while the youthful Hugh sits on my skin like morning do, and while thy willing soul transpires that every pore with instant fires now let us support us while we may.

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And now like amorous birds of prey rather at once our time devour then languish in his slow, chapped power. Let us roll all our strength and all our sweetness up into one ball and tear our pleasures with rough strife through the iron gates of life. Thus the the the. We cannot make our sun stand still yet we will make him run that I love that tear our pleasures through the iron gates of life. The play of masculinity and femininity reveals the most essential conflicts and joys of life, the life force in time against the spiritual values of eternity.

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We don't want to sacrifice one to the other. We don't want to sacrifice the life force to eternity. But we don't want to sacrifice eternity to the life force. We want to bring them into balance, which occurs in the dance between male and female people who are horrified by any mention of sex because of religion are missing the point. We want to bring them into balance in the dance of male and female. If we do not represent that dance, if we do not represent the dance, we are meat and nothingness and everything is in play because there are no values to be found.

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We are the language of God. Our flesh is the language of God, and each of us is a day of creation, creating extent, extending the creation in the creation of our lives, our inner experience of life. That's what poetry does. That's what art does. It records that creation and records the creation of being a human being, of being alive. Only we do it. Animals don't do it. No one else does it. We are we are the eighth day of creation every day, every experience you have.

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And if you play that out in tandem with God, in tandem with the heavenly reality, you are going to have a much richer, much deeper life. And just by coincidence, we will also have a much richer, deeper society that is not the society we're living in now. And the left is doing everything to make sure it never becomes that society again.

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But as you know, we always like to bring eloquent and elegant intellectuals on to in a desperate attempt to raise the tone of the show, but this this week we hit the jackpot. Charles Cussler is one of the finest writers on the conservative side and one of the wisest. He's a senior fellow of the Claremont Institute, editor of the Claremont Review of Books, host of Claremont's The American Mind Video Series, and the Dengler Dykeman, distinguished professor of government at Claremont McKenna College.

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Also, he is the the employer of my son, Spencer Clavon. No relation, and the only way we get them on was by holding Spencer hostage. We can now release him. Charles, are you there?

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Yes, I am. Thank you. And let me say also, you managed to pronounce the the distinguished name of my distinguished professorship correctly. So that's quite a mouthful. Oh, there you go. That's good. It was a random hit. But, you know, I want to talk to you. You have a new book out called Crisis of the Two Constitutions The Rise, Decline and Recovery of American Greatness. I've been reading in it, and it's just really incisive, very broad minded.

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Look at what's going on. Let's let's begin. It's called the crisis of the two constitutions. So let's start there. What are the two constitutions?

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The two constitutions are first, but what I call the founders constitution, which was the original written one of 1787 as amended and the principles of that constitution that came before it, like the Declaration of Independence contains, but also the kind of American character that the Constitution and the principles produced. Because I think if you look at American politics too narrowly, you don't really see the Ambitiousness of the American Revolution. It was really about producing a new kind of human being, an American citizen with certain virtues and and certain energy and adventurousness and so forth.

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And and the founding is not just about founding institutions. It's also really about founding American and American citizenship. And that's the first constitution in the fullest sense. The second the competing constitution is the liberal constitution, which really comes from the progressives a hundred years ago. And so I call that one the progressive constitution. They call it the living constitution. And my point, the point of the book really is that American politics is in such a perilous state because we really are in a kind of pretty revolutionary situation torn between two constitutions by the same country.

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You know, it's not a you're not in a good position. You're not in a good place. If you're if you have one nation and two constitutions competing for its loyalty, competing to constitute what that nation ought to be. But I'm afraid increasingly that's where American politics is going. It's moving from what political scientists sometimes call normal politics to what they call regime politics, where the point of the latter is that you're really fighting about what is the regime, who who rules and what are the purposes for that rule.

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So that's a that's a as I say, a an unfortunate, unhappy and perilous place to be.

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And when you talk about the living constitution, I mean, whenever I'm talking to a left winger and they talk about the they say the Constitution is a living document, I always say yes. But it's not a blank document, is there? There's a living constitution mean anything besides anything the left wants it to mean. That's a very astute question. I think the answer is yes, but practically speaking, it means the living constitution is what the liberals say it is at any given point, because the point of the living constitution is to be Darwinian.

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And, you know, the guy who sort of invented it, Woodrow Wilson, talked that way. He said this was a Darwinian idea, meaning that whatever the Constitution needs to be to survive, whatever the Constitution needs to be to prevail, whatever liberalism needs to prevail in our current politics, that's legal, that's constitutional. That's the ethical standard that they're applying. And so that is open to almost anything because, you know, politics may may challenge liberalism in many ways, and then they're open to almost every possible response.

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But it means substantively one thing, which is the principle of change. The only principle they really regard as timeless, as enduring, is the principle of change itself. Everything else in the Constitution, they think of primarily as a first century inheritance. And their attitude is, you know, the Constitution was a great document for the 18th century, but now, you know, the first in the 20th. Now in the 21st century, we really need to have a much more modern but more with a much more open to grow through experimentation and who be making the citizen's body itself in the image of liberalism.

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So so how do we get to the point where the Constitution, as presented by the founders and this living constitution, how historically did we get to the point where they are actually in such tension that we don't know which is going to triumph over the other? And the in the beginning, a hundred years ago, when they when Woodrow Wilson and other progressives began to talk about the living constitution, they did present it as a kind of evolutionary extension of the old constitution.

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And so for about 50 years or more, liberals took that line. They took that line, which was that the two are actually not opposed to each other. They're going to converge just like they used to talk about the Soviet Union, you know, socialism and communism, on the one hand converging with capitalism. That was the way they regarded the constitution for, you know, three generations, let's say. But beginning in the 1960s, that's the historical period where it became obvious both to conservatives and liberals that they weren't really talking about how to interpret the same constitution.

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They were talking about which constitution they ought to interpret the living constitution, the one that was open to a constant parade of new rights and new programs designed to achieve those rights, and that no permanent limits on government power really were conceivable. Is that that constitution we're interpreting for is that the constitution of the founders with the same the human nature is more or less fair. And the human rights are not constantly evolving and changing thing, but pertain to what is permanent in human nature and that a constitution that attempts to protect a permanent right has to be relatively unchanging and not completely unchanging.

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I mean, we have had, you know, 27 amendments and we may have more than that. But the provision for amendment was built right into the Constitution to begin with. But when we amend the Constitution, we are, in a way, following its rules. And so still acknowledging its authority. And what their living constitution does is it doesn't really need the formal mode of amendment anymore. It amends things through Supreme Court opinions or more often through simple regulatory, you know, creation of rules.

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And most of our laws, as you know, these days, don't come from our elected representatives in Congress, but from the unelected, you know, a deep state or administrative state, which is a creation of a living constitution that grows out of the living constitution.

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So you have these two constitutions, these two visions, really, of America struggling with one another. And you talk about the different ways this could work itself out. And one thing you mentioned is federalism. And I think we're sort of we sort of noticing this real struggle going on between the states and D.C. that has a different tone than it's had before in this bill that they did Joe Biden just signed into law. It basically says the states can't use the money to lower taxes faster.

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You know, kind of an interesting constitutional question, why they where they got the power to say that. And meanwhile, you've got states both on the left and the right saying we're going to be a sanctuary city for immigrants and we're going to be a sanctuary city for guns. Do you see a new birth of federalism coming or do you think that that's just too problematical to continue? Well, I think you're right. I mean, one way we could work ourselves out of this pickle we find ourselves in might be to to know a renaissance of federalism.

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But that's very unlikely. I mean, liberalism has spent, you know, a hundred years basically creating a national political community with a national government of almost limitless powers at the top of it. And it has created a whole series of rights, welfare rights and now identity rights, you know, and sort of sexual identity and gender identity rights and so forth. The point of which is these rights cannot be vindicated except from the top down, except from the federal government down.

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And so federalizing and a political community nationalizing it more and more. So now, you know, it beggars belief that the left would agree that the way out of this is to agree to disagree. And let's just let's return them to the say, you know, so that you can have this kind of abortion law and New York can have a very different kind of abortion law and live and let live. That's you know, I don't see how liberalism can do that with a straight face.

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And and conservatism would be interested in it, I think. But I because it's so improbable, I'm afraid it's not really a viable solution, then we're going to have to fight this out.

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Well, you mentioned the other ways forward that you can see actual secession, possibly instead of a cold civil war that we're having now, a hot civil war. Those those both seem unlikely to me. Am I wrong about that? No, I think they are unlikely and I hope they remain unlikely, but at the same time, you know, this is a different kind of I spoke in the beginning about this thing, that sort of pre revolutionary situation.

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It doesn't, in a way, doesn't seem like so dire a condition, because when we think of revolution, we think of a huge social uprising like the French Revolution, you know, an eruption of mass violence. And with it, you know, enormous amounts of carnage and social change coming quickly. But this is a different kind of revolution. This is a rolling revolution that really has been going on for 100 years. And it's you know, it advances.

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And then there's a kind of generational watermark that it reaches. But 10 or 20 years later, it resumes the advance again. It rolls forward to the next one. So I think there have been like three major ways of the liberal revolution already in the 20th century. And we're now on the verge. It looks like it's a fourth one. However, the result is no less revolutionary, even though it arrives peacefully or relatively peacefully and in stages. And so this is the this is the problem getting into our head, just how much change there has been to American politics and to the American political order in the last hundred years already, so that America is in many ways a very different country than it was, you know, even 30 years ago, much less 50 or 100 years ago.

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And I think the Trump phenomenon, in a way, is there's a kind of recognition by vast numbers of people, you know, at least at least the 74 million people voted for. But I think many more beyond that, probably that the country is changing right in front of our eyes. And normal conservative politics has been unable to either certainly to arrest that change, but even to admit it and to discern the the the dimensions of it, to be honest with the American people about what has actually happened to their country over the past, you know, especially the past 20 years, but really going back for a long time, even before that.

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So the book is called The Crisis of the Two Constitutions by Charles Kessler. We talked about the two constitutions. What do you see as the crisis? I mean, if there's not going to be a hot civil war, if there's going to be this rolling revolution and the rebellion that was kind of symbolized by the Trump voters, what kind of crisis do you foresee resolving this this problem? I think it's hard to foresee. I mean, if not, nothing is have my my view is that nothing really is inevitable in politics and we could find ourselves in a very different political situation if something happens, you know, if events do matter and if we suddenly find ourselves in a major war, I mean, a major war, if if the Chinese think a US carriers in the course of invading a force of the Chinese invaded Taiwan, they'll say, OK, all bets are off and the nature of American politics might change very quickly.

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But covid-19 looks like this might be such an extraneous shock to the system, you know, an event and an anticipated event that could rewrite or redraw the lines politics. But it did. It turns out that, you know, covid was almost, you know, in a month or two assimilated into the existing crisis, assimilated into the existing diverse between the two constitutions. Only now we had more time to argue about we could argue about that. And I'm asking about the vaccine and about, you know, shutdowns and and and reopen it.

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And we've done that. So I don't know I can't predict exactly what the crisis is going to be. But it could easily be it may not be one single thing, but a series of things. One can see a close election, a disputed election could trigger it. A Supreme Court decision that a large part of the country refuses to accept that that many states, in effect, nullify and refuse to have enforced in their own domain could be the precipitating part for a crisis.

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You know, I don't think a civil war as a shooting civil war is immediately likely after such a precipitating event just because America is a very messy country now. And, you know, red states and blue states span the country. It's not like there's, you know, a southern confederacy that is sort of territorial as distinct. And they could secede easily from dramatically from the country. It's messier than that now. So it's hard to see. But I you know, the truth.

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What happened in both of the election 2016 and 2020 in which Trump was involved gives you some idea of how easily, you know, there could be a turn to drastic political action, including a last, perhaps even violence.

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I've I've only got a couple of minutes left, but I just want to point out the book, Crisis of the Two Constitutions in the subtitle is The Rise, Decline and Recovery of American Greatness. That sounds kind of hopeful. Do you foresee a recovery of American greatness? Well, the recovery part is really the book has three parts, the first part is on the founders constitution, the second on the list on the liberals or the progressive constitution, and the third is about the conservative response to this impending crisis.

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So there's growing disaffection between the two constitutions, this distancing and the divide between the two constitution. And I talk mostly about Reagan and Trump because Reagan is the most successful conservative statesman. Trump was might have been, you know, with things that work out differently. A very successful he remains, of course, a very important example of right wing political activity and possibilities. But the right has has not succeeded in restoring the founders constitution. That's in a way, what they've been trying to do since Reagan, at least, and even before Reagan.

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And and and the odd thing is that by the end of his term, Reagan realized that and by the end of his term, Trump also realized that they're sort of connected by the fact that in Reagan's farewell address, this would have been 1989. He said, you know, that that he took credit for what he called the Reagan revolution. If not was in his term. He said modestly accepted the term, but others had used it. But you there been the Cold War was about to be won.

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The economy was had been revived and would continue for two more decades. An amazing upward ascent. But he said he had failed at the most important thing, which had been to institutionalize a new American patriotism, what he called an unambivalent American patriotism. And in the most poignant paragraph in the in his farewell address, he said, you know, America is this is a different country than it was when I was a child. When I grew up, Reagan said when I grew up, you could learn your patriotism on the streets.

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You would get you would get it in the schools from your from your teachers. You'd get it on television or in radio, in popular media and the newspapers from, you know, your parents and everyone around you. But now, in the 1980s, even he says, you know, the media, the Hollywood, the television networks don't teach patriotism in the way that they used to do. And young American parents just aren't sure what they're supposed to teach their kids anymore.

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Is America a good a force for good in the world or is it not? And that's unambivalent papacies. And he said was the federal law, he you know, he he had tried to bring it back to succeeded a little bit from bringing back a patriotic revivalism. But but it wasn't institutionalized. And at the end of his term, as one term, Trump created the 1776 commission with precisely the thing to figure out how to institutionalize that patriotic culture again in America, beginning with the schools k through 12 school.

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I was a member of exhibition, which was, I like to say, the most efficient government, the most in the history of government policing, because it did its work in about three weeks and produced its report. But the report was a Lambin in a way for the damage that had been done, but also a call for action. And I think there is some hope that the reasonable people on the left and there still are some will join reasonable people on the right in believing that we really do have to fill up the empty centre of our politics with a new kind of patriotism, and that there are some signs that it's possible that that that's not a crazy project.

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I mean, I'll leave you with this. I guess in California, you know, the same very Democratic, very liberal electorate that voted for by by more than 70 percent in California also at the same time voted to refuse the left's invitation to repeal Prop 209. In effect, the left was saying, let's bring back overt racial quotas and racial discrimination in college admissions and then state. And so forth, and that was voted down by more than 11 percent by a very large margin, by the same voters who voted for by so maybe even liberal voters now are beginning to think there are they need to draw some lines and that they're not prepared to go all the way with identity politics and with the far left of the party.

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And if that's true, then I think, again, there may be some possibility of a of a sort of rapprochement between left and right in this country.

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Well, let's I have to stop you there. But that at least some some hope, and I appreciate it. The book is called The Crisis of the Two Constitutions The Rise, Decline and Recovery of American Greatness by Charles R. Kessler. Charles, thanks so much for coming on. I hope you come back again. That was really incisive and I appreciate it. Thanks, Drew, I appreciate the invitation. Well, I know all this time you've been listening, but you've really been saying, where is the mailbag?

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Here it is, the mailbag.

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The Little Mermaid came on. She falls in love with the prince. And because of that, she has to lose her voice.

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A lot of people like the drug use and the establishment is just getting out of hand. All right. From Morti. Hi, Andrew Omnipotent, master of the follicle challenged. I have been thinking of ways that I can help you get your audience down to the desired number of four to five listeners. So I figured I would ask you the following question, which is guaranteed to turn off all of your Jewish listeners. I think more of you may be my Jewish.

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Listen, I am an Orthodox Jew, and I wonder in your quest for truth, what made you choose Christianity over Judaism? That is a good question. I could I could try and alienate some people with that. You know, I think ultimately it was the relationship with Jesus Christ. I think ultimately that's what it boils down to. You know, Judaism is a beautiful religion in many, many ways, but it's a religion. And the entire premise of a religion is that you can do certain things to please God, you can do certain rituals, you can wear your hat, you can eat certain things.

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You know, you can pray in a certain way and that will make you more righteous. Now, Judaism's ethical tradition and ethical thought is unbelievably deep and rich. If you meet somebody who really has studied the Talmud, like Dennis Prager, for instance, and you talk to him on ethical issues, they're his his wisdom is just very deep. And I think that Judaism has perfected in many ways the Edmund Burkean idea of developing through tradition, like keeping your tradition, but still moving forward through discussion and debate.

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And there's so much in Jewish law and in the Jewish Bible that I love. I love the kind of wrestling with God aspect of it. They kind of arguing with God. I always joke about the scene where Abraham is trying to save, I think, I guess a Sodom and Gomorrah. And he says to God, Well, what if I can find, you know, fifty good people will save the city if I can find twenty five. If I can.

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If I had ten, I always want God to say I only made you a Jew two pages ago and already you're bargaining with me. But I love that that intimacy and that interplay. But ultimately, ultimately, I came to God from an entirely different direction, which was not through religion, but with through an first reasoning to the point where I realized there was a God where I realized that I could not maintain the things that I believed to be the case without believing in God developing a relationship with that God.

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That was utterly personal. That was just prayer. It was experimenting with prayer. I mean, I do talk about this at length in the great good thing. But it was experimenting with prayer. It was in this dialogue and then finding that this relationship had, you know, talk about change my life for the better. It had transformed my life for the better. And one day I went to God and I said, look, you know, this is five years I've been talking to you and you have completely transformed every aspect of my life and made it in calcu will be more beautiful and more joyful.

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What can I do for you? And I basically immediately had the certainty that I should become a Christian. And my my reaction to that was what? You know, why? Why why would I do that? Why would I become a Christian? I don't have no interest in that whatsoever. But then I went back and started to read the book, because when God tells you to do something, you've got to listen, because the guy I can turn you off like that and you don't want to mess around with them.

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So, you know, I went back to this, to the Gospels and I thought, yes, this is who I'm having a relationship with. And I could only have a relationship with him through the vehicle of a person. Only a person can speak that God, a God that I can understand. And this obviously is the person that I'm talking to. So I came from a an entirely different direction. As I always say, my my conversion to Christianity was actually not a rejection of Judaism because I've never been a Jew.

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I'd never been a practicing Jew. And I grew up in a family that taught us about Judaism without basically any belief in God, which made the whole thing empty and ridiculous. And obviously, if you grow up in a family that teaches you about Judaism with God is going to be a very different experience still. However, still, it's going to be a religion. And I believe that one of the things that the Gospels teach us is that any religion would kill Christ if they saw on anyone would kill him because he is a liberating force and he liberates you from virtually everything by not making you afraid, because you know that the world is enemy territory and you know that the world is going to react before they before the world even reacts before or tries to cancel you.

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You know, they're coming you know, they're coming. Every time you build a country, you know, the country will fall. Every time you build a beautiful institution, you know, it'll be taken over by bad people. You always know that. Because of of what happened to Jesus, because that he was he was crucified, I don't believe this stuff. Oh, he was killed by the Jews, I believe was killed by everybody. And he would be killed by everybody again tomorrow if he arrived, except those people possibly who have a true real personal relationship with him.

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Who would recognize him? Oh, yeah. I've been talking to for a while. I know who you are. And so it was really that personal relationship that that. Cemented for me the reality of God and the reality of what was happening in my life, so really it was it was part reason and part experiential, but it has been confirmed dramatically in my increase in joy, joy and serenity. And I was like two weeks after I was baptized, my wife, who knows me better than anybody, turned to me and she said, wow, you have totally changed.

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You have become a totally different person. And she meant I was more peaceful, more joyful. I was I was done, you know, trying to engage the world on its terms and was engaging the world and what I could understand of God's terms. So it's been a beautiful thing for me. And I recommend you don't tell your parents. All right. From Peter, dear. Doctorate of shiny baldness and even shine your wisdom, glavan, I must first extend my deepest thanks for your words of wisdom in troubled times, Methy, yet continues where we can keep on laughing.

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Crying. I suspect my sister had an abortion in college. We were speaking on the topic. She became very upset and asked if I would hold it against her. I didn't respond fast enough and she hung up on me.

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Later, in a later phone call, I said, There's nothing you could do in your good conscience that I or God couldn't forgive you for it. And we've since made up. But I haven't broached the topic since. My question is this. How do I have a conversation on the evil that is the abortion industry, while simultaneously making it clear that I don't judge or disdain anybody for doing what they thought at the time was right, albeit misguided. And I have said many, many times that we are all in the intellectual atmosphere of our time.

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We are all it takes so much energy, so much it's so difficult to break through. I frequently reference Washington, a man of true virtue, a man who believed in liberty and how it took him his whole life to understand just how wrong slavery was, even Lincoln had to develop the idea that of the evil of slavery. When you are in your time, it is very hard to see past your time and out of your time. And that's why we have to not judge people, because they're going to judge us the same way, you know, you judge, judge, not lest you be judged when you're talking about this.

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Maybe it's good to lead with that. It's really good to lead with the difficulty that some women experience in pregnancy, that if you're pregnant out of wedlock, if you're pregnant, you don't have money. If you're pregnant and you already have two kids or three or four kids and you can't don't know what you're going to do if you know you're pregnant and it makes you depressed, all these things or, you know, the one they always bring up, although there's very few of the cases.

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But if, like, you've been attacked by somebody and gotten pregnant, these are these are can be tragic things. It can be really, really tough, difficult things to deal with. And we should understand that to begin with. But but you can't solve your problems by killing somebody, right? In every other case, we understand that you can't solve your problems by killing somebody.

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So maybe, you know, maybe there is some throat clearing that needs to be done. It's kind of like when you talk about divorce, this has happened to me. I've been going off about divorce, which I think is a grave evil in many, many, many cases. And I was rattling on about that. And of course, the woman sitting next to me was divorced. And then I felt like an idiot and I felt like I'd been cruel, even though I felt that everything I said had been true.

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So, you know, it's good to think about the way you talk about things. It's not what the left does is they use manners. I wrote about this in a city journal piece called the The Great White Lie. The Big White Lie, I think was called and they use our manners to try and silence us. What a terrible thing to say that a man in a skirt is not a woman. Oh, my goodness, what a rude thing to say.

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But that always is always the left takes a kernel of truth and turns it into a lie. And the lie there and that kernel of truth there is that we should be kind to one another. We should watch the way we speak. We shouldn't stop us from speaking the truth. But you can speak, you know. What is it, Paul? I think it's a Paul Simon song. You know, you don't have to lie to me, but give me some tenderness with your honesty, you know?

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And I think that that's something we should all be thinking about. And I think that the that what happens again with conservatives is they react to the left's manipulation of our manners and become Manala's. And, you know, when I when I would say of Donald Trump, he has bad manners and people say, well, he's right, you know. Yeah, but give me some tenderness with your honesty. You know, that's that's the thing. And I don't think it's wrong to think about that.

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And I think this is what's happening with your sister. And I am good for you for knowing it. Good for you for recognizing it. You know, that like, yeah, you said the right thing. But, yeah, you also hurt her feelings and made a difficult thing more difficult for her to grasp, because you don't want her to say, well, I don't want to feel that pain. I don't want to feel that shame. So I'm never going to face the reality of what I did.

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That's not what you want. You know, you want her to come to the reality of what she did in the knowledge of God's forgiveness and his vast forgiveness and and your forgiveness and your understanding.

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You know, this is this is a big thing. Conservatives need to learn. You know, we need to be able to speak the truth with kindness. We need to be able to speak it politely, because when we don't when we don't, we give the truth a bad name. All right. I got to stop there. Which means you are plunged, plummeting desperately like Satan out of heaven. You were plummeting into the Clavon this week. If you are an.

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