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Leftists have canceled the past because people did bad things there, which weren't as good as the good things leftists are doing now because of the values learned from the past, which no longer exists. President and venal houseplant Joe Biden has declared March the end of History Month, which will replace Women's History Month, which is now Men's History Month, and so has become sexist and has been canceled. Speaking to a statue of Thomas Jefferson he mistook for his late Aunt Gladys, the soon to be former president, said, quote, We must renounce the history that has taught us to be virtuous in order to be as virtuous as the history taught us to be by expunging all memory of everything that happened before yesterday.

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We will go into a new tomorrow that won't even be tomorrow because there'll be no yesterday to compare it to. And so it'll just be today forever and think how happy we'll be then, unquote.

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Among the evil historical figures who will now be deemed nonexistent will be such racist former humans as Abraham Lincoln, the hysterical leader of a white leftist Twitter mob, white, leftist, snowy or white, declared Whiteley quote, When I think of how virtuous an anti-racist I am, Lincoln just can't compare. Sure, he freed the slaves and took a bullet to the head for his defense of liberty. But he never accomplished as much as white leftists like myself, who just today tweeted insults at conservatives and pretended to like rap music when, let's face it, we all know it's crap.

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My hope is that we can cleanse America of its evil history of slavery so that everyone will finally be as sinless as I pretend to be and think how much money will save on reparations, unquote. Professor Beauregarde, tea grifter who heads the School of Critical Race Jibberish in the Department of Nonsense at the university formerly named after slaveholder Eli Yale, but now just represented by a gigantic googly eyed clown face that may or may not be Alexandrea Accio Cortez says the theory behind canceling the past is that it allows useless nebbishy like himself to pretend to be superior to people who actually accomplish things.

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Professor Grifter's said, quote, Equality is a central tenet of Western culture, so we must destroy Western culture in order to achieve the equality we would not even know was a good thing if it weren't for something I no longer remember because the beginning of the sentence was cancelled for taking place in the past, unquote. The Democrat Party and other criminal organizations say they hope canceling the past will finally unite everyone in hating everyone else. Trigger warning.

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As this week developed I was faced with something that I have actually been wrestling with for I think it's about fifteen years. I was forty nine when I converted to Christianity, when I was baptized a Christian and I was a theist from about the time I was forty five. So I had a lot of time to think things over. I really did reason for thirty years, thirty, thirty five years over whether or not one could or should believe in God.

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By the time I was baptized, I was fully convinced that logically this was the only possible answer. A lot of people, I think Nietzsche said that faith is not wanting to know about what's true, but I find that to be exactly the opposite. My faith was the faith was the courage to believe in what I knew to be true, but couldn't see and couldn't prove like you prove something that is material. So I became a Christian with a great deal of confidence, which I still have is only deepened as as I've gone deeper into it is only my faith has only deepened.

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And that's not a problem. However, like just about everybody in the scientific age, I am a natural materialist. I'm a person who just thinks things happen naturally, right. We no longer go to a healer to get our diseases healed. We go to a doctor. He gives us a vaccine. We know that the vaccine causes antibodies is kind of part of the disease. It causes antibodies. The antibodies protect you. Things work materially. In the old days when there was a lightning storm, is it true they used to climb up in church towers and ring bells to chase away the lightning demons?

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And of course, they'll kill them because they were the highest place, which was the church steeple. So it was didn't really work all that well. When Benjamin Franklin invented the lightning rod, they still had churches, but they put lightning rods on them because the superstitions of the past were passing away. We became as we became less superstitious, we became more materialistic, leading to the foolish idea, the foolish corollary of that idea that everything is is material.

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So that's not true. So I have this natural materialistic streak like I think everyone does. I am a Christian. I believe in an immaterial God, an omniscient God, and all powerful, forgiving, loving God. But do I believe this is the question I started to ask myself, do I believe in all the other supernatural entities that do exist in in Bible stories like demons and more most importantly, like Satan? And I would just ignore this question.

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I could happily ignore this question. I try not to bother myself with things that are above my pay grade. My my question is, how do I live in such a way that I come closer to God? That's my that's the question I'm always asking myself. But it really does get to me, because life is very life is very much as if there were a Satan, that life is lived very much as if they were Satan. And I can't help finding that.

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When you have an active prayer life like I have, you come closer to God. And every time you come closer to God, every time you feel more powerfully, his love is forgiveness. His his grace. You have a reaction. Something starts whispering in your ear saying, you know, you really did some terrible, terrible things in your life. You really are an awful person. And not only are you awful, but that guy down the street is even worse.

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And if you point at that guy down the street, you will you can draw attention away from your awfulness and you won't even have to worry about the forgiveness of God. So it kind of it walks like Satan and it quacks like Saint Nick, quacks like the devil. And I started to think, well, you know, I have started to think at this point, well, there is, in fact a conscious entity that tries to do ill to humankind.

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And when you do not do what the Bible what what God wants you to. You find yourself with that voice whispering in your ear and the difference between the two things is one leads you to give up your judgments, to give up yourself and and it makes you free. And the other tells you that you're going to have power and it puts you in chains. And that's what I'm seeing today in this week in the news almost entirely. Almost everything I saw was people being told that they were going to get power by doing a certain thing.

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And in fact, they ended up in chains. And I kept thinking, gee, it kind of walks like the devil. It quacks like the devil. Maybe that's what it is. And I started to think this quote came into my mind from Voltaire, who said, one of the thinkers behind the French Revolution leading up to the French Revolution, he said it's it's difficult to liberate falls from the chains they revere. And that was the other part of this.

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I saw that when people find themselves that they are wrapping themselves in chains, they don't say, oh, I'm going to stop doing that. They say, no, these chains, these are all these are these are the chains. These are the good chains. These are not like other chains, like bad chains. These are these chains. The other day, The New York Times attacked that new audible social media site and they said it has unfettered conversations will fetters their change.

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They want your conversations in chains. And it's difficult, said Voltaire, to liberate fools from the chains they revere. So cancel culture is exactly the opposite of grace and forgiveness. Jesus says if you forgive, you will be forgiven. And we think about that as a heavenly thing. Like if I forgive you when I get to heaven, they'll be nice to me. But it's actually an immediate psychological result. If you forgive people, if you let things go, if you don't judge people, if you say, hey, we all have problems, you become freer.

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You don't judge yourself quite as much if you can forgive it. Look, if I can forgive a schmuck like you, I can obviously forgive a wonderful person like myself. Right. So it liberating. But but there's always this voice in your ear telling you that if you pass judgment, you will express virtue. If I say, boy, those guys who do such and such, they are the worst, then everybody is going to think, wow, he must be a really good guy.

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And in fact, what it does is it wraps you in chains. Cancel culture is a form of Fedder. It is a form of change because the more you cancel other people, the less access you have to other people's opinions, to oppositional opinions, to deepen and make yourself wiser. But you also have given power to the mob to cancel you. And eventually they'll get to you. They will get to what you will think. You can't think the things that you might think anymore.

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You can't change your mind. You can't leave the mob behind because you will be next. And you know it because you were just part of it. And one of the things of this week there was it was Dr. Seuss and the Dr. Seuss people, the people who are in control of Dr. Seuss's literary inheritance. They found six books of his books and they were not six of his most famous books. It wasn't the Cat in the Hat or anything like that.

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But there are six in his book where they found what they thought was racist imagery in it. And I was looking through some of the some of it was like a fish with an it was an Eskimo fish and he an Eskimo, one of those kind of seal suits that Eskimos wear. And I thought, like, you know, really what is going to happen when we cancel that when we cancel that book, will Eskimos be free? Is like I finally I don't have to eat those chocolate pies anymore.

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They were getting all over my sealskin suits me a fish in an Eskimo book. But however, it doesn't matter. This is the thing that I think conservatives get wrong. The things I think conservatives get wrong is we argue each case, we argue each case. Well, is that is there something racist about about Dr. Seuss is there. But no, you know, no, we shouldn't cancel anything. We shouldn't cancel anything in the past. Not Dr. Seuss happens to be a genius.

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What he did was a kind of genius. It's a weird use. When he died, I was a news writer and someone said to me, could you write an obit in the style of doctors? I said, no, that's not my genius. That's not the genius I have. I don't know anybody who can write in the style of Dr. Seuss. They can only kind of vaguely imitate him. He was a one off. He was an amazing writer.

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Nothing he wrote should be canceled. Obviously, it should be held in place. But all the arts, all the documents of the past should be readily available and all arguments should be readily available. And what should our attitude toward them be? Our attitude should be forgiveness, judge. Not lest we be judge. We should look at them. And there are things you see in the past. I mean, a good example is the great movie Gone With the Wind, one of the best movies ever.

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There are moments in that that you might cringe and think, oh, gee, you know, the way the slaves are treated is condescending and racist and all this. But but if you are a grown up Christian adult or an adult with Christian values, you look at that and say, OK, that was then. And they only see what they could see. And I can only see what I can see. And I can live with the greatness of this art and appreciate the greatness of this movie without passing judgment on them.

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Right. But there's always this voice whispering in your ear saying, oh, yeah, but.

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I pass judgment on them and look how good I am, and as the chains close in, as you're cut off from the works of art, because what works of art do right, they preserve the human experience as it's experienced in the time that the work of art is made. So reading a work of art, watching a movie, any kind of any kind of art is like experiencing if is great art. It's like experiencing talking to somebody in the past who is sharing his or her wisdom with you.

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Now, that's an amazing gift. When you allow judgment, condemnation to take that gift away from you, the chains are on you, Mozart. Mozart's not bother. Mozart is somewhere else. Mozart is having a final time. He's not bothered. It's you who are losing things. And this is the thing that really gets me because I go online and I see especially young people. I mean, there's the mob. The mob that gets them ginned up is probably not young people, but it's a lot of these young people who were, you know, marinaded, basically soaked in this anti forgiving.

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Philosophy who basically say, like, I'll go on and I'll say you're just depriving yourselves. No, no, no, I'm not racist. Racist, I'm not depriving myself of you're the racist, you know, the race.

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And then we have then we I mean, I think to myself and quacks like the devil, like the devil, you know, and they revere their chains because their chains are their virtue.

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They revere their chains, their chains of their virtue. And the lack of forgiveness is putting them in chains. It's not them. It's not really hurting the people who are being cancelled. The people who are being canceled can be hurt in the moment. But it's really putting the society in chains and the mob in chains. The people who are doing the cancelling are also the ones who are wrapped in chains, chains they're being taught to revere. So then you have you know, you have these guys who work for corporations who are all on board with this unforgiving, graceless unchristian anti Christian philosophy.

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No, don't not judge, judge, judge. And you shall be powerful judge, and you shall be deemed virtuous judge. And it won't be you in chains and you'll put those bad guys in chains teaching you to be ignorant, teaching you not to be able to hear anybody who disagrees with Stephen Colbert. This guy's a comedian, right? But he's not a comedian any more. He's been co-opted by corporations. The corporate idea, the he's become the corporate voice that is there to gin up the mob on behalf of the corporation.

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You're not working. Remember, there's only free speech and speech controlled by the powerful. When you control other people's speech, you are giving more power to the powerful. That's what you're doing. And Stephen Colbert is right on board. This is the knucklehead Stephen Colbert, who said that socialism was just like trick or treating. People don't have candy and they come to you and ask for candy and you give them candy. And that socialism. This is what this corporate buffoon said, right?

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That was almost right. It's just like trick or treating, except with guns. They come to your house and say, give us your candy, because the trick, if you don't give them the treat, is a bullet in the back of the head in the Lubyanka prison. So this is the same Stephen Colbert speaking about canceling get this now, Dr. Seuss.

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It's a responsible move on their part. There hadn't been an earth shattering outcry, but they recognize the impact that these images might have on readers, especially kids. And they're trying to fix it because Dr. Seuss books should be fun for all people. Black, white, straight, gay teaches both star belted and plain lower taxes, bar bailouts, all the whos down in Whoville and the strange, angry creature named fufu, the snoo.

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Oh, he's so cute as he tells you to give up your rights. He's so cute as he tells you that one of the geniuses of American pop culture should vanish from the stage, just disappear. You should not be able to get this. You should not be able to get it. See, I don't think you should actually be able to put a book out of print. I don't think you should be able to will a book out of print.

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I think a book should then be surrendered over to the public domain if you let it go out of print. When my books have gone out of print, I get to write a letter to the publisher and say, you have to return that book to me because you have let it go out of print. Right? You can't just put a book out of print. It becomes part of the public domain.

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Now, a real comedian, Bill Burr. Now, I really like Bill Burr and he probably doesn't share my politics at all. I don't know really what his politics are, but he probably doesn't share my politics at all. But Bill Burr is does what comedians do. He pushes the line. He doesn't push the corporate line. He pushes the line. And here is his reaction to cancel culture in the form of Gina Carano being fired. For nothing being fired, for nothing, but really for acting while conservative by the Disney Corporation, wholly owned and operated by the Chinese government, here's what Bill Burr said about this.

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But for now, she was an absolute sweetheart. Yeah, super nice person and, you know, whatever. Now it's becoming like, hey, you made an ignorant comparison that goes through. Right, right.

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I mean, I look at that as like who stands up to that?

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That that and I Bilborough I'm sure I Bilborough I know is from what he said is an atheist, but that's the Christian idea. He was formed by a Christian culture. Who stands up to that. No one. No one stands up to that. We judge not lest you be judge or judge and you will be judge, you will be put in chains and you'll revere your chains. Revered. No, I'm a good person. Oh, the children remember every single day all the children have to read Dr.

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Seuss and they might see a fish in an Eskimo suit. And what will happen then? There was this week somebody said children, babies have to be taught about racism because we're so convinced that we can be our own judges that we can fix our own virtue. But Burset is the crux of the of the matter.

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If we all we have to do to not have any cancellations, to have no cannulation, zero cancellations, all we have to do is forgive our friends in the past is forgive the people of the past and say, you know, you did your brilliant thing. There is no other person like Mozart. You did your genius work in a time when you thought different things than I think. Now somebody is going to say that to me one day, and especially these people who support abortion.

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It's not that the time is not far off. The time is not far off. When they're statues will come down, when people will say these were savages who murdered babies in the womb, the time is not far off. If you don't want that blame, then don't put cast blame on the people of the past. Somebody sent me I was commenting on this on Twitter and somebody sent a just remarkable moment between Mike Tyson, the famous boxer, and a giant's New York Giants running back named Cequent Barkley.

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And this really struck me, and I'll end with this about this, but it really struck me because Tyson was an animal. I mean, Tyson was a guy who would just rip you to pieces in the ring. He had problems in his personal life, but apparently he found God. And the moderator of the sports talk, you know, the moderator said to Tyson, you really let things go. Now, you when people offend you, you don't look for revenge.

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And second, Barkley said, oh, no, no, no, you got to look for revenge. I look for revenge. And here's what Tyson told them as cat sex.

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It's easier said than done to not take things personally, but it's heavy once you embrace it. Oh, yeah.

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Laugh is a joke, baby. It's a joke.

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It's one of the things that I've loved. One of the many things I've learned from Mike is how, you know, there have been people in his past that have taken advantage of him and he doesn't hold a grudge, lives in forgiveness. Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, I'm not. Oh, yeah. Listen, I'm not like you're not ready, but I'm not like you. You do me wrong.

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No, you cross the line like I cut ties like a devil with the devil when. So you're saying the devil wins because someone did me wrong and I cut ties with that person. I would I never met that person.

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So I got to be the bigger person because he changed you. Oh, OK. So he's your math because he controls your emotions. He's not your enemy. He's your master. He's not who you used to be. Now he stole that away from you. Hmm. Well, you allow them to. He can't do it. You know, that's hard, though, man. Once you do, you think you're giving them what they're going to be when you learn compassion and empathy.

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That's an amazing and amazing piece of tape that that is that's Christianity in a nutshell, is a philosophy. I mean, forget about the theology of it, but that's it in a nutshell. What he said was, if you let someone make you hate them, if you let someone make you judge them, if you let someone make you angry at them, they own you. They're your master. They're not your enemy anymore. They're your master because they changed you in a way that makes you smaller, really.

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And he says he says to him, You think you're great. Now, look how great you'll be once you let things go. We have an entire nation at this moment being taught, being taught and excited and moved and convinced to pass judgment on the past. And that that will give them power, but what Tyson is saying is exactly right. It gives power to the people you're passing judgment on. It gives power to the people who make you hate.

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And if it quacks like the devil, it may be the devil. This is a bad philosophy. And what conservatives should be doing is not talking about Dr. Seuss. It's not talking about who else did. They took Millard Fillmore, the conservative comic. They took that out of Gannett's papers, which is USA Today. Those were big papers. That is probably one of the biggest chains in the country. They took that out.

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They're going through movies and looking what needs a warning sign on it and all this stuff.

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Our attitude should be, no, no, no, no. You don't have to do any of that. You don't have to do any of that. All you got to do is forgive what's wrong and understand that somebody's going to have to forgive you. And then you're free and then you're free. Otherwise otherwise, the things you hate are your master.

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Benjamin Franklin.

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Seventeen fifty five even. I don't understand that, but I'm sure it meant nothing.

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If we're talking about the fact that people come to revere their chains. Voltaire's remark that is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere. And what happens is you rap, you put those chains on yourself, you know, like Jacob Marley in a Christmas Carol. I wear the chains I forged in life. You put them on yourself, and in order to break those chains, you have to let go of the behaviors that put them on you in the first place.

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But if you let go of those behaviors, that means looking in the mirror means facing your shame. And he's facing your mistake means begging God for forgiveness. And people do not want to do that. So they start to revere the change. They start to see the change are the good. These are good. These are the good change. I thought about this, again, not just the council culture, but watching the announcement in Texas that they were taking they were opening up all businesses.

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Open mask mandate is gone. This is Greg Abbott, governor of Texas. And this, by the way, I mean, I think it's South Dakota, Kristi Noem. They never had a lock down. They never had a mask mandate. There were plenty of states that are opening. But this is Texas. It's a big state and they're just taking all the stops off. And so this cut twenty for Greg Abbott making that announcement.

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I'm issuing a new executive order that sends most of the earlier executive orders effective next Wednesday. All businesses of any type are allowed to open one hundred percent, that includes any type of entity in Texas. Also, I am ending the statewide mask mandate. Personal vigilance to follow the safe standards is still needed to contain covid. It's just that now state mandates are no longer needed. Look, let's get it clear what the guy just said, right? State mandates are not needed.

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Use your use your head.

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Use your common sense. And of course, this includes businesses. Right? If you have a business and it's a business where people come in and talk to you to each other and they're close in close quarters, you're still going to put up a sign that says, please wear a mask when you're in our store because it's healthier and people are still going to do that.

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But the mandate will be gone. So, for instance, walking around, walking around outdoors with a mask really does nothing for you. You don't have to wear a mask. There's no reason to go hiking. I never wear a mask. I see people wearing masks out in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of nowhere. We're well over six feet apart now. I've been vaccinated. So you come close to me, you are healed. Your people are actually healed when they come close to me.

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At this point, I just radiate health now.

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But but I still see people wearing masks for no reason. Right? So he's taken all that away. So I go on Twitter and somebody so help me has tweeted a picture of a mask and the phrase come and take it Molen lobby that people talk about their weapons. If you want my gun, come and take it. Come and to you, he wasn't joking either. Come and take my eye. You can take my mask. Nobody's taking your mask.

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You can wear that anytime you want. You can wear Frankenstein mask if you want. You can wear like you can wear the mask of your favorite superhero. For all I care about, the state is no longer telling you, but it's the change. They revere the reactions to this. The reactions to this were so telling because it was Bill Kristol and David French who have now entered a kind of perfect realm where everything they say is untrue. They've entered this wonderful realm.

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We're like now, even if the words and and but aren't true yet, they've reached almost perfection. They put commas in their sentences. You know that comment. That's not right. So they started saying, well, you know, wearing a mask is an act of loving your neighbor. And this just shows you that Texas would reopen and take away the mandate, the mandate to love your neighbor, the Texas governor's mandate not. Oh. To say, oh, you should still wear a mask because it's the nice thing to do.

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That would be an opinion. That's an opinion. But to say that Texas is not exercising love of neighbor because it's taken away the chains, it's the chains they revere. And by the way, by the way, the shutdowns themselves have been tremendously harmful. And David French did acknowledge that. But to never let a child see somebody smile, you know, to never let me see somebody smile, to never let a beautiful woman walk down the street and show people her face.

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I mean, this is a genuine, genuine, crippling of human society and for no reason. I want you to hear some of the some of the reactions. Here is our old friend, Beto O'Rourke, reacting to this is cut 15.

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They literally want to sacrifice the lives of our fellow Texans or, I don't know, for for political gain to satisfy certain powerful interests within the state. And this isn't hyperbole. It's hard to escape the conclusion that it's also a cult of death. You have extraordinarily anti-democratic elements. I mean, look at the insurrection on January six four for any proof, you have anti-government elements literally running the government of the state of Texas. And it almost, I use the phrase failed state, because I think when you can't guarantee the electricity, the heat, the running water, the public welfare and safety, you are about there by any classic definition.

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It's that that is just it's a death cult. It's a death cult because they're no longer forcing you to wear a mask in every situation. And again, businesses are probably going to say, hey, and this business, this is a close quarter business. Whatever it is, it's a little store. Please wear a mask. This is a hair salon, please, where they're probably going to do that, but they're going to make people are going to make their own decisions.

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People are going to make their own decision. That's a death cult that I mean, really, if you follow the logic of what he's saying, it's a death cult to let people make their own decisions. Freedom, he is saying, is a death cult. And I think that's exactly what he believes. I actually think that that is a statement of his belief. And if you are not passing judgment, if you are not being told what to do, if you are not forced to be virtuous, you are in a death cult because the chase, the chains, they revere Michael Moore, who always looks to me like the least healthy person in the country.

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Right. I mean, he has this pasty face fat guy who looks like he's going to fall over any minute. He's going to lecture us about this. He sent out this tweet about Texas. Remember, this is Mr. Flynt. This is Mr. Flint, Michigan. This is not a guy who lives in Texas. He says Texas, we hear you. You didn't want to be part of our electrical grid and now you've removed your mask mandate and allowing large crowds together.

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We hear you covid is a hoax. So you don't need our precious vaccine. We'll send it to people who are saving lives by wearing masks. Texas got hit by a once in a century storm, and it was, in fact their renewable energy that froze up and that's why they lost. It wasn't because they weren't part of the grid. But he's saying, let's not give them vaccine. If they're not going to force people to do stuff, let's not give them back.

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If they are not going to wear those virtuous chains, if they're not going to. That's the change we revere. It's the change we revere. It's not because listen, here is the thing. States like Florida that lifted their lockdowns quickly and eased other restrictions early have far better covered 19 records than states of similar size, like New York that stayed locked down longer and were slow to ease other restrictions. Florida covid-19 death rate of one hundred and forty four per 100000 residents is lower than New York's two hundred and forty three per 100000 residents.

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Likewise, Georgia has a larger population than New Jersey. At its covid-19 death rate of one hundred and fifty nine per 100000 residents is lower than New Jersey's two hundred and sixty two per 100000 residents. This pattern repeats itself across the nation. Long lockdowns kill people. I mean, that is the thing. The lockdowns themselves have been deadly. The lockdowns themselves have been brutally cruel to children. I mean that millions, literally millions of children have vanished from the educational system.

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And, you know, it's not rich children. You know, it's not well-to-do elite children. They're not vanishing from any educational system. You know, it's the poor who are being left behind. So you've destroyed these lives, you've destroyed these life, and now you are going to parade your virtue back and forth. Having left this trail of blood and tears, you're going to parade your virtue back and forth because people aren't being forced to wear a mask because it's the change they revere.

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And you know what? If it quacks like the devil, that may be who you're talking to. Thousands of migrants. We now have a massive crisis at the border. And I love I just I mean, just as a fan of absurdity, as a man who is made to laugh by human absurdity, I love the administration saying what's not a crisis. It's an event. It's not a crisis. It's an incident. We don't have a crisis.

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I mean, this is something like 20 times the number of people pouring over the border than during the trumpet. Yeah, we're putting kids in boxes with bars, but they're not cages. They're not cages. The boxes, their facilities, the facilities in event they're not cages in a crisis, they're facilities in an incident. There are box like structures in a thing that's happening, but they're not cages in a crisis. Hundreds of these people are now known to be carrying the Chinese flu, but they're not being tested, being tested by the feds.

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Here is Jen Psaki, the spokeswoman for the White House, telling us how they're getting making sure that the people they are now allowing into the country in droves, in droves, mobs of people pouring into the country. But it's not a it's not a crisis. It's just a thing. It's a happening thing that is going on. This is how they're being. We're making sure that they're not bringing the Chinese flu into the country. Cut. Thirty four.

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When migrants are placed in alternatives to detention, they're covid-19 testing. Our policy is for covid-19 testing to be done at the state and local level and with the help of NGOs and local governments. And that certainly is something that our policy is, is to have that be done concluded before they are even moved to go stay with family members or others they may know. Well, their cases are being adjudicated. And of course, our guidance to anyone, regardless of status, is testing positive for covid-19 or experiencing covid like symptoms is to social distance to wear a mask and seek medical attention as needed.

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But, you know, in general, our approach and our policy is to work with local governments, work with NGOs to ensure to have testing to ensure these migrants are tested and that can take place and that steps for isolation, quarantining and medical care can be taken should that be needed.

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So nothing there doing nothing. In other words, they letting illegal people into the country as they get on the bus, they shout after him and maybe get a test where they get a test for the state and local level. But, you know, where are these people going to show up at the state and local level? That's not going to happen. They're not going to do that. They're disappearing into the country. So they don't care about the safety.

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The safety is not a big deal for this government. It really is not because they're letting these people flood the country untested, examined. We don't know where they're going. And it's like, yeah, the state of our policy is at the state and local level, our policies in the town of Poughkeepsie. They should test the illegal aliens that we let into the country in the at the Texas border. They you know, it has nothing to do with this.

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Children vanishing from the educational system, people dying in droves in the lockdown states illegal aliens coming in carrying the disease. But you have to be forced to wear a mask because it's the change they revere.

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You know, love is good, all these good ideas. But this really, in the end, only one bad idea, which is the idea that you are, can be that you can earn your own virtue, that you can become a virtuous person. And ultimately, it means that everybody is doing the same thing. You always end up hating the other guy because the only way to have any virtues, because none of us has any virtues, we don't have any virtue whatsoever.

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The only way to construct virtue is to blame other people. So we all wind up pointing the finger at other people and it doesn't matter which side you're on. There was a comedian, there is a comedian, Ryan Long. I think he's a Canadian, but he's still funny. And he did a while back a thing of a Wuk guy and a racist, discovering that they were really best buddies because they really believed in all the same things. Here's a clip of that.

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Let me and Brad first matter, didn't think we'd get along, but turns out we kind of agree on everything. Your racial identity is the most important thing. Everything should be looked at through the lens of race.

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Thinks you owe me a Coke.

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We both have a lot of opinions about people of color, even though we barely know I say colored people, but as long as we're classifying them, we both think minorities are a united group. I think the same and act the same and vote the same. You don't want to lose your black. Sorry, I don't know. I just think we should roll back discrimination laws so we can hire based on race again. Now, you owe me a Coke.

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Hey, tell them what you told me yesterday. White actors should only do voices for white cartoon character and saying that for years. Stick to your own us white people. We have so much privilege.

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I agree it is a privilege to be white asking about interracial dating. All I said is that black men who date white women have internalized racism and white men. To date, ethnic women are fetishizing our guys against interracial dating. Now, like, am I being pranked? What put you up to this talking place? Is white owned white people should be making white foods like crap, macaroni and cheese, no seasoning, not even salt. It's like he's a mind reader.

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I mean, I've been pushing for segregation forever and my man does what. I created an improv comedy show exclusively for ethnically segregated comedy on my birthday.

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So it's a good routine, but it's only funny because it is absolutely true. The WOAK people have become the biggest racists in America. They are the biggest races in America. There was a report, I believe it was out of Arizona. Yeah, the Arizona Department of Education. This is from Chris Rufo, who was on the show a while back. The Arizona Department of Education has created an equity toolkit which claims that baby show the first signs of racism at three months old and that white children remain strongly biased in favor of whiteness by age five.

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Now, that's not quite true, by the way. I just happened to know I happened to have read some of these studies, mostly out of Yale, I think. And they what they say is that babies attach to the people who take care of them and the kinds of people to take care of them are the kinds of people that they will have the most comfort with later on. So if a white baby is taking care of a black guy, a black lady, then that's going to be one of the people that he's comfortable with.

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And it's just a question. And you can't be taken care of by everybody. So it's just a question of who takes care of you. So it doesn't matter. But this is there this is what they say. You have to talk to your baby as young as three months old about race. And here's what they say. Silence about race reinforces racism by letting children draw their own conclusions based on what they see now. What could be worse than letting people draw their own conclusions, maybe letting them decide whether they can wear a mask.

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So I wanted to test it seems to me they're incredibly racist. And I will start to look around the. What these guys are saying, what the what people in the races are saying, and I was looking at Nic Fuentes now, I hate picking on Nick, actually, because he strikes me as kind of an unhappy guy and inwardly unhappy guy. And he always gets angry. He always sets his people on me on Twitter when I attack him.

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But I do attack them. And they always say, why won't you debate him? And the reason I won't debate him is because I don't respect his ideas. I don't really debate anybody. I discuss things with people I don't like. Conversation is a sport. I like conversation as a way of exploring ideas. His ideas don't actually rank his ideas when you go on and he has done this, I'm not making it up. When you go on and say the Jim Crow segregation was better for black people and it was better for what was better for all of us.

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When you go on and make fun of the Holocaust where men, women and children were slaughtered in their millions for the their their last name, basically because people didn't like their last name, when you make fun of that and then you attach that to Christianity, that's not an idea to me. There is no path. There is no path from the cross to racism. You cannot get there from here. It can't be done. OK, so when you do that, I dismiss that.

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I don't really have anything to say about that except that. No, we're all created in the image of God. Racism is an offense against the image of God. You can't get to that place. But he made a speech and I think it was just this week, you know, they had CPAC and he was at America First PAC, AF PAC, and he made this this speech, which I just found actually fascinating.

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So if America ceases to be this people, if America ceases to retain that English cultural framework and the influence of European civilization, if it loses its white demographic core and if it loses its faith in Jesus Christ, then this is not America anymore.

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So what's fascinating to me about that is there's a lot of truth mixed in with the falsehood. This is a British or European culture. We did get most of our ideas about freedom from the British. They come almost directly from the British. So thank you, Britain, for giving us this idea. It doesn't matter who comes up with the good ideas, right? It doesn't matter if the British were the people who discovered fire. What are you going to do?

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Say, Well, that's British fire. I'm going to live in the dark. I'm going to eat my food raw. I'm not going to touch that British. I know. But the British came up with great ideas and the Europeans also came up with great ideas that fed into the American founding. And yes, we are a British based, European based culture. Christian culture as well. Europe used to be Christendom, we are all our ideas are informed by Christianity.

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They would not have been what they were if we hadn't if they hadn't grown out of Christianity. And it is a perfectly fair question to ask. If we lose our faith in Christianity, will we lose those values? I was discussing that with Douglas Murray on the show. Right. He has lost his faith in Christianity, but he believes in the Christian values and he believes there may be some way to keep those values afloat without the rock they stand on.

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I think he's wrong. But he's he as he says, it's a very complex question and something that could be asked. So as far as what this is saying, if we lose our British based values, which are the values that inform the declaration in the Constitution. Yeah, that would be terrible. We would no longer be America. If we lose our faith in Jesus Christ, it is possible we would lose those vows. And into that he slips in.

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And if we lose our white core, that's like if we lose our sneakers. I mean, do we? There are so many things that go into a culture, whether Lucke a million different things, history, all the things that go to these complex uncountable things beyond our comprehension, things we can't possibly trying to predict the climate in the future. And you just really can't do it. You can only pretend to do it. I think the amount of melanin in people's skins is probably one of the less important things that went on.

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But he's telling you that, yeah, if we lose these influence and if we lose the white people, he's mixing all together because he's a racist. He believes that this is an important thing when there's really is no evidence, as far as I can see, that actually your race is very important to what you accomplish in this world. So then I went to this guy. Tim Wise was one of these white guy, of course, who goes around talking about how racist America is.

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So he's on the left. This is this is the focused guy of all this is his this is what he does. And here's his speech.

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If I had to explain to you in one phrase, the history of this country. With regard to race and with regard to class, this would be the phrase the whole history of America is the history of rich white men telling not rich white people that their problems are caused by brown and black people.

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That is the whole history of America, all the rest, as they say, is commentary, right? It's all footnote from there.

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So all footnotes, all men are created equal. It's just a footnote to the abuse because there was never any abuse of the power of the weak by the powerful before America. And that never happened. That never happened before. So all the stuff that happened that changed that, that trained people, taught people, guided people away from abusing the weak, from the from saying that the weak were born to be weak, that the small were born to be small.

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All those ideas that change the world that didn't exist on the planet or at least were in gestation on the planet until America gave them a home and a being all that size. It's just a footnote because the only thing that matters is the color of people's skin. Tim Wise and Nick Fuentes are the same guy. And the reason is the bad idea is all all bad ideas are one bad idea is a great idea, which is let it go. Love your neighbor.

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Don't judge judge lest you be judged. If you let go of that idea, you are stuck with that one bad idea that somehow you are the master of your life, that somehow you are going to create your own virtue. And then it turns out that the only way you can create your own virtue is by pointing at the sins of others. And then it turns out when you point at the sins of others, you have wrapped yourself in chains and your chains are your virtue is all bad.

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If people are going to go around being censors, if they're going to cause race panic, if they're going to cause this virtue signalling, if they're going to be I mean, we're going through a period in this country that is very much like the McCarthy era is very much like the witch on. This is something that happens in this country from time to time when people go in to these moral panics and start pointing fingers, fingers at one another. What I like about Turner Classic movie, classic movies, if they said, oh, if it's Witch on time again, if it's McCarthy time again, if it's woak time, we'll make money off it.

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Well, we'll use it to bring in viewers. So I like that. I noticed on their list was a Psycho, a movie that I'm really fascinated by. And of course it is a really interesting movie and considering transgenderism and it is the star that came out in nineteen sixty. And it is the start of a trend among horror movies in which a woman's body, the natural things that happen to a woman's body is part of the horror. And I think it is the beginning of this trend.

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I talk about this a lot about the feminine, the war on the feminine. The feminine is a counterweight to male techno, whatever you want to call it, the male male techno materialism, that's what I call it, male techno materialism. Men like stuff, women like people that has been studied and proved again and again. Men relate through stuff. Women relate directly. Women connect with people, men connect with things. And things are what make you money and things, what build buildings and things, what built cities and connecting with people just gets in the way.

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When you have to care about people, you have to build safer cars. When you have to build and care about people, you have to do stuff with the environment. Women femininity gets in the way of male techno materialism. And so I believe that there is a war on femininity. A lot of people say there's war on men because they want men to be less masculine. But no, I don't think that's true. I think what they want is for women to be more masculine because they can't be as masculine as men being women.

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They want men to be less masculine so women can catch up. That's what they're trying to do, get rid of femininity, because as a counterweight to male techno materialism and as we became more technological, which really does the turning point is in the sixties, women's bodies become problem. And there's this murder that took place in the 50s in Wisconsin, again, was his name. And we talked a while back about the murder that came out of that was connected to Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment.

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This is another murder that inspired a lot of cultural material. And Geen killed a couple of people. I think he killed two women. He confessed to killing two women. And he dug up a lot of female bodies. And he took the women the skin of the women's bodies and tried to make a female suit that he could wear so he would feel closer to his dead mother. He missed his dead mother. And of course, that is the inspiration for Psycho, which began, I think is a novel by Robert Block and then was made into a classic Alfred Hitchcock story about Norman Bates, who is and this is a spoiler.

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If you've never seen Psycho have never heard the ending of Psycho, you don't want to hear this, that he plays Norman Bates, who is a psycho killer, and he commits murders, dressing up as his mother. And here's a famous scene is one of the great diversions where Bates is in the famous psycho house arguing with his mother. And we don't know it is the same person. While Marion Crane, played by Janet Leigh, is listening to this, he's listen, he's listening to what she thinks is a man arguing with his overbearing mother.

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And when you say yes by candlelight, I suppose that he Biraki, that young man with he like my mother and then my mother, she's just a stranger. She's hungry and it's raining out like yesterday. And yet this man is saying, you know, he was just deflecting things because they just can't make you understand by you go. You have to take with my. Oh, my God.

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So she's telling him, you know, the evil sex is going to the women are evil and they're sexual. And so is his connection with his mother is a connection against his own masculinity. Right. Is the mother is basically now inside him, deriding him and belittling him for his for his masculinity.

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I just make it look this incredibly easy. What's interesting to me about this is Etkin also inspired the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the original one of which was I think is nineteen seventy four is one of the is a terrific horror movie. The remake was not that good, but the original is a really terrific horror movie and also, of course, inspired Silence of the Lambs, which is also about Buffalo Bill. Remember, the secondary killer in that is collecting women in order to make himself a female suit because he's transgender and he wants to he has completely identified his gender, the feelings inside him with the body outline of a woman.

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And in the book, I don't think this is in the movie, but in the book, the last thing he says to Clarice Starling is, how does it feel to be so beautiful? I think that I think that's the line. But the thing is, he wants to be a woman. He wants to put this together. And it's interesting to me, it is interesting to me that between Psycho and and Silence of the Lambs, there are a number of movies in which a woman's body is the source of the horror you have carry, which is about a girl who gets her period.

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And when she gets her period, she acquires these amazing powers, which is, of course, a symbol for the power of womanhood and the power of being a fully sexualized young girl. And Carrie acquires these telekinetic powers when she has her period. The Exorcist, I believe, is also about a girl getting her period portrayed as being possessed by a demon. And we can all figure out the symbolism of that as well. But if you listen to what happens to Carrie when she talks to her mother, it's almost the same conversation that Norman Bates has with his pretend mother.

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This is the cut from Carrie.

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When you tell me more. And God made Eve from the river that I live, was weak, loosed the raven on the world and the Raven was called the Raven said No, the raven was called in Wisconsin and Ferguson was. And of course, Ferguson wasn't. Of course, he didn't say it.

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So it's really the same it's almost the same scene. And of course, I understand the Stephen King's mother was a little bit like that herself. And so there's a lot of this.

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Rosemary's Baby. Having a baby is a source of horror. The Omen is also your baby is replaced by the devil. Alien is a story about women's bodies. Right. Is the story of men being turned into women by these creatures that implant babies, their babies in men in the man explodes because he hasn't got the physical capability of delivering a baby.

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And it takes a woman, Ridley, to become the man she has to become a man because the men are being turned into women. She has to take the man's role of fighting the monster. And so this confusion has entered the culture. And and one of the things that I find interesting is not only is there this fear, I think, of a woman's body being expressed in a fear of the of the natural changes that go through a woman's body.

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But there's also an understanding and understanding that women and what happens to them when you have sex with them and women and their feelings and women of their experience of life is a force against the technology, the technical technical position, the technical materialisation of society, society. If society is going to become fully technical, if it's going to be fully a machine, then you have to get rid of the women. And where do we see this? We see it in Terminator.

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Right. Why does the Terminator come back into the past to defend the machine universe? What does he do? He comes back to get rid of the mother. And it really is interesting. The Sarah Connor in the in the Terminator in the first Terminator is not ripply. She's not this rippling male type hero, which he becomes later on. She's just a girl. She's just an ordinary girl. And the Terminator has to kill her because she's a girl.

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He has to kill her because she's a mom. It doesn't really make sense. Why don't they just hunt down her son? Right. A lot easier, but they hunt down her because the feminine is the enemy of the machines. And the it's amazing to me and symbolic that the ultimate expression of the takeover of machines, of the takeover of society by machines is the Matrix. And The Matrix is made by transgender brothers, right. By two guys who ultimately I think they both became women.

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Well, I am really happy to have this guest on this is a woman who has had a large effect on me. Her writing has had a large effect on me, probably on a lot of people. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is the best selling author of Infidel and Heretic, the founder of the A Foundation which supports Liberty and one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world. Her latest book is Pray Why Pray Immigration, Islam and the Erosion of Women's Rights.

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And it is out now.

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And thank you for coming on. Andrew, thank you very much for having me on.

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The opening of your book talks about the colossal failure of the European political establishment. What is the colossal failure of the European political establishment? The colossal failure of the European establishment is the failure to integrate immigrant communities from Muslim majority countries and then to open up their borders for more immigrants from Muslim majority countries. So you specifically concentrate on the effect on women, on women's rights, and we I mean, there's there's a lot of statistics about the increases in rapes and things like that.

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But you have an image in this book pretty early on of of women being unable in European capitals to go out to cafes, to be on the street alone, which is almost kind of famous landmark of of Europe, the freedom of women, women sitting in cafes, women being able to move about freely. How, how, why? I haven't been in Europe for a couple of years now. How widespread is that where women actually can't go to a restaurant by themselves?

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You can go to neighborhoods where Europe is just what you think of it as where everybody is absolutely free to go wherever they want, men and women or homosexuals, heterosexuals, it doesn't matter. And then you go to other neighborhoods, mainly working class neighborhoods, where the situation is completely different. There are, in fact, neighborhoods where you won't see women at all, not just in cafes, but you won't see them on the sidewalk, you won't see them in public transport.

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You just won't see women. And these are some neighborhoods in places like Sweden, France, Germany, the U.K. And I would say it's it's these neighborhoods where women have decided and it's not just immigrant women, but white native women have decided that it's safer for them to stay away from these places if they can. So that that suggests to me that they don't feel that there's any one they can go to, there are no officials they can appeal to and say, look what's happened to our neighborhoods.

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Is that true? Is there no official response? That these women did actually appeal to the people who represent them. They appeal to members of the media, they appeal to all sorts of references, whatever they could do. They tried to draw attention to the developments that are taking place in some of these neighborhoods that they were bearing unfairly the burden of the unintended consequences of immigration. But no one listened to them or if people listened to them, not much happened.

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And so at some point, they, you know, they drew their own conclusions and the women who could afford to move away did move away. But there's still a larger number of women who just can't they don't have the means to afford an apartment, a flat, a house in the so-called safer neighborhoods. There's even a question on how long those particular neighborhoods will remain safe. So I mean, at the at the highest levels, never mind the police or the people, you can actually get on the phone and call at the highest levels.

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Is anybody addressing this? I mean, I heard McCrann in France is is taking measures or at least making speeches about against Islamic separatism. Is that happening throughout Europe or is that just something McCrone is doing to head off the right in his own country?

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Well, I think, first of all, things in some places have gotten so bad that there's just no looking away from it. And yes, France is one of those places in the book I zoom in only on women, but it isn't just about women. It's freedom of speech.

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It's about the norms and the values and the customs of Europe as they understand it. And then having to face off with a minority population led by radical Islamists who are calling for and Michael is absolutely right in this calling for a separation from the wider society. So President Merkel is taking this on and he is doing so because things are at a very bad place, number one. And number two in the previous election for National was or came very close to winning the presidency and in the elections next year that they are going to hold in France again from National, as you know, the runner up, we might actually get the presidency.

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And if you listen to the average French average French woman, this is what's on their minds, the unintended consequences of immigration from Muslim major party countries and these communities that are trying to separate themselves from the rest of society, the terrorist attacks, the impact on women, the impact on Jewish minorities, the impact on the Arab community. And I think what McCain is doing is absolutely right. But he's now not only facing off with foreign national, but he's also facing off with members of the left who are saying that any kind of, you know, even discussing these issues is drawing up this bill.

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Trying to stop this separatism from happening is a form of bigotry, a form of racism, a form of colonialism or neo colonialism. So he does have to face off with the right in the face of the left in order to carry this through. The bill is now in the French Senate. And we'll see. I think we'll have an answer next week as to whether it passes or not.

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You know, one of the I've been a follower of yours and an admirer of yours for many years. And I remember after reading, I think it was Infidel, which I think was your first book. One of the things that I found amazingly frustrating, you had been in the Netherlands. And check me if I get any of these facts right. I'm speaking from memory. But you'd been in the Netherlands. Your artistic, collaborative partner had been murdered by Islamists.

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You were under threat. And a lot of people were saying, oh, if this Ayaan Hirsi Ali would just stop making trouble, everything would be better, as if it was your fault that people were threatening your life. And finally you had to leave and come to the states. As I recall, that was the story. Is that is that still the attitude throughout Europe that it's the fault of the victims, that somehow if we can ignore this and it will go away?

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Or has the tide turned a little bit? In some countries, the tide has turned in countries like Denmark and Austria, and again, as you can see in France, the tide is turning because there's just nowhere left to hide. The problems are getting bigger. So it's the scale the scope of the severity of the problem is becoming so dramatic that right now, particularly heads of states of 20 to they don't have the same get out of jail card that leaders had in 10 years ago, 15 years ago.

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Now, you said I thought you said Theo van Gogh was autistic. He actually wasn't. He was the opposite of autistic, artistic and artist. He was an artist. Yeah, lots of artists and very much a member of the establishment on the left side, and he was prescience in the sense that he saw these things coming up and people like him who sounded the alarm. Well, I unfortunately, just like you killed or silenced in some other way, sometimes by the Islamists, sometimes by the leftists, sometimes by the establishment leadership, because no one seems to be ready to confront this problem until it gets out of hand.

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You know, let's talk about Islam, the idea of Islamophobia, which is kind of a strange idea, but since you're constantly accused of it, I think I think we should just confront it. Violence toward women is epidemic. I mean, every society women face violence is kind of built into the human system. Unfortunately, it is Islam worse. Is are Islamic people worse about this than other cultures? It's different if you want to say so, the assertion, the proposition that all cultures have misogynist characteristics to them, that's true.

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Even beyond that, I'd say it's a truism. It's a truism to say know in every culture, in every household, you will find some sort of hostility towards women. But the way worse than women are treated and the relationship between men and women in the West is radically different from the relationship between men and women in Muslim societies.

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And to conflate the two is either to be dumb and, you know, by saying that I'm actually trying to be as nice as I possibly can or you have a hidden agenda, and when you use the term Islamophobia, what it does is it's obfuscates the hidden agenda that you have, which is the term Islamophobia was invented by people who wanted to spread radical Islam or the radical Islamic doctrine. And anybody who gets in the way and is described as anti-Islamic, hostile to Islam.

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And at some point, I think people started to tap into the moral relativism and the philosophy of multiculturalism and what we call work today, a critical race theory. And it is in this realm, again, totally within Western society to start debating society into various groups and then to claim that people who oppose that developments are somehow phobic racists or bigoted in some way. And I think the Islamists saw this and seize that opportunity came up with the Islamophobia where Islam is conflated with race.

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Islam is not a race. It's a set of eye to religion. And as we criticize Judaism, criticized Christianity, we criticize Hinduism, Buddhism. So do we criticize Islam. There are some things I think, that are appealing to people about Islam, but there are various things that are very unappealing about Islam. And for you to point that out, you will be accused of bigotry. And I think the radical Islamists have seized onto this. And have they came up with the word Islamophobia and that's what they are trying to pin on, people who say, you know, we stand for freedom of speech, we stand for equal rights between men and women.

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We stand for equal rights between the LGBT community and everyone else. We're not anti-Semitic. We condemn all sorts of anti Jewish anti-Semitic expression. But to say any of that is to be found guilty of Islamophobia.

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I mean, the West used to be called Christendom. It is what they now say, the Judeo Christian founded society. Is there something in Islam that is simply antithetical to the West, the way it's depicted in the novels of Michel Weilbach? Is there something that just cannot blend with Western society, or do you think there is hope that it can be assimilated into Western society?

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I think that Muslim societies and Western societies have a lot in common and they've had many encounters. But there are also some practical differences and Western society has evolved and modernized, and Christians, Jews and other religious groups within Western society have either found a way forward with modernity and modernising or they've been forced to do that. And in Islamic societies, there is this dance with modernity where a lot of Muslims actually want to be modern. They want to be free Arab women in Saudi Arabia.

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They want to drive. They want to have the opportunity to work. They want to be seen as equal before the law. They want to shed the demand that they have male guardians. And this is all about modernity. But at the same time, they're being forced to say that they accept and embrace Sharia law. And you find that some of these things can't be reconciled if you want to be free and equal as a woman to men. But she wants to abide by Sharia law.

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You can't have both of those things. It's one or the other. And this is not something it's not a choice that only women have to make it such that everyone has to make. And as we see large, you know, people by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions coming to Europe or Western societies from Muslim societies, we're seeing this encounter of conflict and confrontation. There are values that simply can not be reconciled. Islam demands that someone who leaves the religion, who blasphemes against their religion, be beheaded.

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And in Western society, we think that's brutal and cruel and barbaric and backward. And we have laws that say, no, you can't do that. These are two points of value that you just simply can't reconcile. You have to make a choice. Western leaders have been trying to hide from that, at least since 9/11. That's when I started to participate in this discussion. Western leaders have been trying to hide from the attack by declaring that Islam is a religion of peace.

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And along came people like NBSK Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. And he thinks that a journalist is writing things about him, saying things about him that defy his sense of honor and defy his sense of authority. And he handles that in exactly the same way as if you were in Saudi Arabia. That causes a diplomatic fix. It causes all sorts of problems. And even to this day, and even on that particular point, I still see members of the Western leadership was saying, yes, but there is no yes.

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But in the West, we don't chop up journalists who up in Saudi Arabia. I saw that message that said we stand with MB's. That's people in Saudi Arabia who are fans of subjects who like him, who are saying we stand with him. Of course they do. That's how they solve problems in Saudi Arabia. So what are you going to do? I'm going to pretend that we are all the same, or are you going to get your head out of the sand and say, this is not how we do things?

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And beyond that, we actually are going to fight for the way we do things. I only have a minute left, I just want to ask you, are you hopeful or do you think that there is a way to assimilate this massive influx of people or is there going to have to be some kind of reckoning? That's some more unpleasant reckoning than that. I think both I'm optimistic in the sense that the values, Western values of Western civilization are more appealing, more attractive to humanity in general, whether they are in Islamic societies or whether they are in China or whether they're in India, whether in Latin America, the Declaration of Human Rights and the principles that I set out there, that's just simply more appealing.

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And so that makes me optimistic. But are we going to have more confrontations? Yes, we are, because the people in power and who see as their source of power, whether it's religious or not, are going to cling to that and they're going to fight for it. And I think in the next few decades, we're going to see how that confrontation plays itself out in places like Europe. Europeans have declared over and over again that they are going to stand for the rights and freedoms of women.

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They are women because they ignored what was happening to immigrant women, but now their own women. And let's see if actually that is true and valid.

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The name of the book is pray p r e y Immigration, Islam and the erosion of women's rights has been coming under attack. The New York Times wrote a tremendously unfair and dishonest article about it. But I I'm I've just started reading it. It's really interesting. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a brave lady, the author of Infidel and Heretic and the founder of the Foundation in Support of Liberty Island. Thank you so much for coming on. I hope you will come back.

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Andrew, thank you very much for having me. And thank you for doing all of this. Wonderful. All right. If you've stayed with us this long, there can only be two reasons. One, my personal beauty. And two, because you were waiting for. And here it is, the mailbag.

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I was great from Matt. You have pointed out that losing a job to cancel culture is a much smaller sacrifice than what our forebears endured to defend our freedom. I understand your point on a moral level, but on a practical level, is it a good strategy to ask people to take on council culture at their own expense? It's a tragedy of the Commons problem. Getting canceled is a huge blow to an individual, while fighting back is only a dispersed collective benefit.

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I wonder if we need a more coordinated response, but I suppose asking conservatives to collectively bargain against council culture is also an impractical non-starter. I don't really have the answer and I would love to hear your thoughts. Well, yes, and I want to be very clear about this. I've said this before, and the reason I wanted to answer this is because I want to make sure it's very clear. I am not telling you to lose your job.

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I'm telling you that this is the war you have been chosen to fight. That's what I'm telling you. I'm telling you this is the fight that we're in. So if I said to you, oh, we're at war with France, you wouldn't go and stick your head in a French cannon, say, blow my head off. That'll teach you. No. No, you don't. What was it that said you don't win a war by dying for your country?

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You make it you win it by making the other guy die for his country. And in this case, too, we want to make sure that we fight smart. But this is the battle and it is going to entail risks. And one of those risks is losing what you have. And the bravest will risk the most and and the most. The people who can endure the most loss will risk the most. And that's the way to go. And other people who are in smaller positions will risk less.

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And you you're very correct that we should act together even though we're conservatives, because this is why this is my point about not judging whether Dr. Seuss should be canceled or Malad film. Nothing should be canceled. No one should be canceled. And even if you make a, you know, a racial slur. Right, you should have your finger wag that you. But it could happen to anybody. We all have untoward thoughts and also untoward things from time to time.

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We should be supporting forgiveness culture. We should be supporting compassion culture. You know, we should not be supporting this racial panic at a time when people are freer than they've ever been. It is all about the leftism and we should not give them any quarter. So that's the fight. The fight is not. Oh, he said a racial slur. Well, that was bad. So maybe he should be fired, but not this got no no canceling nothing.

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You have the right to your opinions and you have the right to your flaws. You have the right to be to make mistakes. Somebody was shouting on Twitter, Oh, these conservatives are arguing for the right to be racist. Well, guess what? Being racist is a shocking thing to be. And as I say, I think it's an offense to God. But you do have the right to be racist. It is something you have the right to be.

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You have the right to be a bad guy. That's not that's not something that people can take away from you.

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You can't make that illegal because who decides? So when what I was saying was merely this, this is the fight that we're in. There's no I'm going to hide. I'm going to duck. I'm going to get around. I'm going to go under the radar. None of that. And we have to understand that this is it. And we have to say it has to be said. But, yeah, we should take collective action when they want you to go to H.R. and train about your whiteness.

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You know, you should make sure if you were going to fight against that, you should make sure that there are a lot of people who fight against that, who a lot of people who come in and say, we won't do it. Maybe you should have a lawyer before you go in and fight about it. You know, you should take care of the things you have. You don't want to I don't want you to lose anything that you have, but you might have to risk some of the things you have and that might entail loss in the long run.

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And my point was only that this is the fight for America. We are in what they are doing. Although, like I said, this is a moment like the witch hunts, like the McCarthy era. The WOAK era is one of these moral panics that America tends to fall in from time to time. But it has to be stopped. It has to be fought against. And who when we look back at the McCarthy era and when we look back at the witch hunts, who do we admire?

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We admire the people who stood up and said, no, that's that's who we admire. And so if you want to be part of that, yeah. Do it in the smartest way you can do it in the safest way you can. But don't think you can let it go and it's just going to be over and somebody else is going to deal with the problem because that might not happen for one thing. And secondly. You know, who do you want to be, who do you want to be in your life?

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What do you want when people say, what did you do to stop council culture? What did you do to stop McCarthyism? What did you do to stop the witch hunts? It's going to be the same question about WOAK is an them is the same thing. It is a moral panic. It is a witch hunt. It is destructive of American values. And to let it just go by and not understand that that's the fight you're in is to misunderstand your own history.

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But no, don't be stupid. Don't risk things that you can't afford to lose. Don't act on your own. I mean, that's those are all dumb things to do. But join together and fight. From Anonymous, my relationship with God is a complicated one, I'm going to have to edit this is as long I think it's a woman, I'm not sure, but says she's been through a childhood abuse, sexual assault, a hate crime committed to me.

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I struggle with depression. Anxiety and PTSD have been to lots countless counselors and therapists. I'm thinking about turning to the bottle to alcohol because I'm desperate for help. I've never been medicated and I don't want to do that. My question to you is, from one Christian to another, if we are God's loving children, why does he make me or us go through these traumatic events? I don't feel God's unconditional love. These events are reasons why I turn further and further away from God.

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OK, I think you'd get the sense of that that letter. Well, first of all, let me not do this to you. Let me not give you some simplistic answer about God's motivations in allowing evil. I mean, I think I've always thought it has something to do with freedom that you can't have people who are free without allowing them to commit evil, that you can't have a clockwork world and still have people who can freely choose to love God.

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And God has made you to freely choose to love him. But you can't do that unless you can freely choose to not love them. And when you freely choose to not love them, you commit evil deeds. It's not God who has done these things for you. He didn't pick you for this. He didn't put you in this life to say, oh, here is this person and these terrible things are going to happen. He left people free to do these things to you.

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And the depths of his reason for doing that, no one can possibly understand. We can only know that because he's God, it is a good that we will one day understand. But that is not much help to you when you're in the kind of pain you're in. And I have, you know, as a child, I think I can say that I suffered a kind of abuse. There was nothing like what you are suffering. I can only understand it by extrapolating from my own experience.

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And I know that it leaves scars. I know that God doesn't take those scars away. They are part of you and they're part of your life. I know that he will give you joy in spite of those wounds. I know he will, because I know this from my own life. He will give you more sanity than you could ever have hoped to have. He can do all kinds of things that are amazing, but it's not it's not him who even though I can't give you a complete and full answer for why he allows these things to happen except for for allowing freedom and holding freedom as a high value, I, I can't I can't say why they happen to you.

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You know, no one can say why they happen to you. Bad luck. It really is. It's just something terrible that happened to you. And but when I can tell you is this and this is something I know from my experience that that God will use those things and he will use even your pain to lead him to you if you choose to go in that direction. So what should you do? Because the thing is there all kinds of levels of spiritual development, and one of them is mental health.

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And before I could find God, I had to solve my mental health problem. I had a genuinely bad mental health problem when I was a kid. It was really ugly and I had to solve that. It was like a wall. Now, God was there through all that. When I go back and look at my life, I'm so moved and amazed by the fact that God was there, even though I couldn't, I was too ill to see him.

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He was there and led me to the place where I could solve that problem. But I had to solve that problem before I could fully and consciously know God. Now, there are lots of different kinds of therapy. And obviously, when you've been through what you've been through, because people did this to you, people have to help you. And there are lots of different kinds of therapy. And it's possible you haven't found the right therapy yet or a good therapy.

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There's lots of therapy specifically trained on trauma. And consider this in terms of logic, OK, you're talking about alcoholism. You're talking about I'm thinking of hitting the bottle, but you don't want to use medication. That doesn't make a lot of sense. OK, I mean, seriously, if you were reaching the point where you're ready to drink yourself into oblivion, trying to. So psychotropic drug is a healthier alternative. There may be other ways of doing it.

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You may want to try a few more alternatives that are specifically geared to the treatment of trauma before you use psychotropic drugs. But drugs should medicate psychiatrically, prescribe medication should come before alcoholism. All right. I mean, that just makes sense, right? I mean, you remind me of somebody once called me on a hotline and said, I'm going to cut my throat. And after talking to some to this person for a while, I finally said, you know, have you ever considered therapy?

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And he said, isn't wouldn't that be painful? It'll be as painful as cutting your throat, you know? So taking psychiatric prescribed psychotropic drugs is going to be better for you than alcohol, alcoholism. Meanwhile, what I would say to you about God is, look, I can't tell you not to be angry at God and I can't tell you not to turn away from God, but I can tell you that if you don't do that, I can tell you that if you hook your wagon to God's star, if you let go of yourself and give yourself to him, he will get you where you need to go.

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He will take you where you need to go. And you're still going to be in pain, is still going to be pain in your life. There's still pain in my life. Pain in everybody's life. The things that happen to you that formed, you are still going to be there and the scars are still going to be there. But but you will be shocked. I mean shocked. I am shocked. I have been in the last two weeks.

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I have been bowled over by the places I have reached in my heart from where I started, because I'm not supposed to be here. I am not supposed to be this guy, except that God said it would be so. And and I believe that can happen to you. I do. I really have faith in that. Use your wits, use your wits. Don't use your anger. Don't use your pain, use your wits. Don't turn to alcohol before you turn to psychotropic drugs and before you turn to psychotropic drugs, really do some research and find out is there something geared to specifically your problem?

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Your problem is trauma. You have been traumatized. You have been abused and traumatized. Your problem is trauma. There are many treatments that are geared specifically toward trauma I'm not an expert in on. So I'm not going to start reeling things off. But but do some research and find out. Help yourself. Help yourself to open the way to God, because he's still there. He's waiting. You know, it's worth it. From Daniel. Here's a writing question.

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Those are easier there. Yeah. Since most bad storytelling in movies and TV is blamed on the writers, both when it's bad because of in-your-face weakness and just bad for say, it would be interesting to hear their perspective on. I'm assuming they don't become writers on popular shows because they're guilty of lazy storytelling. Have you talked to any of these writers were criticized because their work turned badly here?

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Well, you know, it really depends what you're working in and what your working situation is in movies. Writers have no power. They have zero power. Movies are a director's medium. OK, and I have written good stuff that has been made bad by directors. I have I wrote one thing that the director wanted to make bad and I managed to stop him by walking off, you know, I mean, you have to fight for it. But still, even so, it wasn't as good as it would have been with another director.

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The writer ultimately really has no power and only people like me. And this is very, very rare. I was always willing to quit before writing something bad. That's the only power you have is to quit because you have no other power and no writers do that. I'm the only writer who does that, and that's because I never really cared much about the movie business. And because I'm the way you see me, but but only people who really do that have any kind of leverage at all.

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So writers are not to blame for movies because directors just have too much power in TV.

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It's different, but there's really only one writer who has the power as the head writer, the creator writer, the guy who was running the show and running the writers room. He has the power in TV. And so but he is also under the gun by all these sponsors and executives who are coming in and say, no, we don't want that. We want this will cancel you if you don't do that. So he doesn't have complete power, but he has more power than his more power than the director was just a hireling hireling in TV.

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The director just comes in for the show and you send him on his way, bringing another director. He doesn't matter to the writer who creates the show. The writer is king. So when you're looking for people to blame, you know, it's like sometimes it's the writer who didn't do the job. Sometimes it's the writer who got mauled by the studio execs and had to do it to keep his show on the air and keep his paycheck coming. Oftentimes it's the director, you know, and sometimes writers just don't have a lot of talent and there's bad.

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So there's all kinds of different ways that a story can go bad. But the most important thing is anything you were watching, anything you're not reading is a collaboration. And there are a lot of places where things can go wrong. I did a movie. I always joke about this movie, one miscall, because it has a zero percent Rotten Tomatoes rating, but it's not like anybody did anything wrong. It's that everybody did something different. I wrote one kind of script.

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The director wanted to make a different kind of movie. The producers and the executives wanted a third kind of movie and it just didn't fit together. But nobody did anything wrong as it was kind of a sad situation because everybody wanted it to be good, but it didn't turn out as well as it should have. All right. I'm going to stop there. It has been great, as always, talking to you. If you're an all access member and you should be I will be back during the week to do an all access show and back again next Friday for another event incident.

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