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New polling shows how successful disintegrations have become in American thinking. A prosecutor brings charges against a Missouri couple defending themselves from rioters in its corona virus starting to flatten. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Bench Pirro Show.


Today's Ben Shapiro show is sponsored by Express VPN, your online activity should not be public. Protect yourself and express VPN dot com slash bend. A little bit later on in the program, we're going to get to all of the corona virus related issues that are cropping up around the country. What is the proper strategy? Why is it that people keep claiming they have thus strategy to stop this thing and then they actually don't present a strategy to stop the thing?


We'll get to all of that. It's actually possible that we've actually seen the peak already in some places like Arizona and Texas, which would be great news. So we'll get to all of that. But first, got to remind you, today is the day. Finally, the long awaited book that I've been talking about for months at this point, How to destroy America in three easy steps. It's now available and go over to Amazon.com or anywhere else.


Books are sold and pick it up right now. I could not think of a time when it would be more relevant. It is extraordinarily relevant. The reason it is still relevant should be obvious from a brand new poll. It is out today from the Wall Street Journal. It is a devastating poll for the country, a devastating poll for the country, because what it really says is that Americans don't believe that we share much anymore. The only thing that we share, apparently, is a desire to virtue signal to pollsters.


But when it comes to what we actually share as a country, the answer is not much. So the premise of my book is I've talked about before is that there are essentially two visions of American society. One vision of American society is the unionist vision. This is a vision that suggests that in order for a nation to survive, you have to have a common philosophy, culture and history. The common American philosophy is expressed beautifully in the Declaration of Independence that we are endowed by nature and nature's God with certain inalienable rights.


That government is instituted to protect those rights. And that violation of those rights makes the government lose its reason for being. And that we are all endowed with reason. We are all equal before the law. These are the ideas of the Declaration of Independence, and we cherish them and we hold them dear, that our natural rights are what we call negative rights rights against other people. They are not positive rights, meaning entitlements from other people, entitlements from government.


These were the principles of the Declaration of Independence, and those principles are good. Those principles have brought about the flowering of American freedom. They've brought about the insane levels of prosperity that not only Americans enjoy, but the rest of the world enjoys as well. Those principles have brought about the end of Naziism and communism. Those principles, those principles were instrumental were the key principles in overthrowing the dominance of racism and white supremacy in American life. That is the common American philosophy.


Then there's the common American culture. American culture was built on a series of beliefs about the way the world works. And a series of attitudes toward the world. And those attitudes include things like a feeling of entrepreneurship and adventure. And the spirit of Americanism was the spirit of adventure. When you read de Tocqueville. He's constantly talking about where America can be found and what he says is America can essentially be found on the frontier. That when you look at the the nature of Americans, they are constantly striving, they're constantly building, they are constantly moving, and they're constantly seeking the spirit of adventure.


And entrepreneurship is what characterizes Americans as opposed to de Tocqueville's picture of Europeans, which is much more sedentary. Americans were constantly on the move, constantly on the go, embracing the journey, embracing the adventure, not asking for anything, but being granted the freedom to do with their lives, what they would do. It was the spirit of adventure. Also, there was a culture of tolerance for other people's rights and understanding that rights mean that other people may not use their rights in ways that you liked.


The right to free speech isn't just your right to speak as you see fit. It relies on a cultural underpinning that you understand that other people may not agree with you and they have a right to free speech to freedom of association means not only that you have a right to associate freely, but that others may choose not to associate with you based on their right to associate freely. You have to have tolerance for other people's rights. That is a culture of rights.


Also, the culture of the United States was built on the value of social institutions, that rights were going to be balanced by duties, that every right came with a constant duty that a free country relied. As John Adams suggesting on a moral and religious people, and that you required social institutions to undergird, that you required things like churches, you required things like schools, required social and communal institutions that were designed to inculcate virtues so that when people did exercise their right that we're not harming one another.


And finally, the culture of the United States relied on a militant defense of those rights, a belief that if others were to threaten those rights, that you would stand up for yourself is where the right to keep and bear arms comes from, this militant belief that your rights are worthy of defense. So that was the American philosophy and American culture. And then there was a picture of American history. And that picture of American history was that America struggles to live up to its founding ideals and is gradually moving toward the fulfillment of those founding ideals that the story of America is a nation founded nineteen sixty nineteen because slavery was a human universal is an evil human universal.


And to mention that does not alleviate in any way America's responsibility for the sin of American slavery. It is to put that sin into the context of all human sin and which is where all sin belongs. Right. All sin belongs in the context of all human sin, because you myopically focused on the sin of America at the expense of all of human history and all over the world is to miss the point, which is that human beings are innately sinful and do terrible things to one another, and that the goal of freedom and virtue is to move human beings beyond that.


And that's the story of America, is the fight against human nature by instituting checks and balances, by fighting for liberty. The the caching of the story of America on a racial level is the cashing of the promissory note that was written in 1776, not the story of the continuation of 16 19. And any attempt to link American life in twenty twenty to sixty nineteen is going to be very difficult on a practical level. It is much easier to link American life in 2020 to 1776 because frankly, America was not founded in 60 nineteen.


It was founded in 1776 in the Story of Americas, the gradual fulfillment of those promises. That's the unionist vision, the things that unify us. Our philosophy, their culture and our history. Those are things they have to unify. Any can any nation that hopes to be cohesive in any sense or fashion. And then there's the disintegration decision. The disintegration is vision wants to tear down the entire system. And so they castigate the system as racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic.


They don't castigate particular Americans. Is that because those Americans. That's perfectly obvious. There are Americans are racists and sexist and bigots and homophobes. They do exist. But the system itself, the system that was created by the Declaration of Independence and then preserved by the Constitution of the United States with its amendments over time, that system is not racist. That system is not sexist. That system is not homophobic. That system is not brutal and vicious. That system is a system of freedom but disintegration to suggest that that system is indeed an attempt to re-establish and reincorporate hierarchies of power.


So disintegration is, say, about American philosophy that is just dead wrong. There are no rights. The pre-exist government government is the source of your rights. Government is the source of your privileges. And government is the source of your entitlements. Rights themselves are not rights you have against other people. Rights instead are things that you get from the governments who have a right to Social Security, of right to housing, of right to health care. Now, the founders would have thought this was bizarre because obviously all of those quote unquote rights require something from other people as opposed to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or the right to life, liberty and property that doesn't require anything of anybody.


If I have a right to life, that just means you're not allowed to kill me. If I have a right to housing, that means you have an obligation to build me a house. That is a very different thing, that philosophers have turned this difference negative rights versus positive rights. So disintegrations say they're positive rights, which means essentially I can use the government to point a gun at you and steal your stuff. But that's the nature of positive rights.


Neatly, disintegration is believed that all men are not equal before the law. There's no such thing as equal rights before the law because equal rights are a lie, because if we were to just apply the law evenly between individuals. Well, that might end with group injustice, because what if one group commit more crimes than another group? Well, and that means the group is being treated unjustly. This is why you see the disintegration is left very often citing criminal justice disparities statistics in order to suggest that America's system is neatly broken without reference to the nature of the crimes that are being committed by individuals.


And so people on the right will say, you have to name the people who are innocent, who are in jail, who shouldn't be in jail, and I'm fine with it. People on left will say it doesn't matter if they're innocent. They could be guilty and in jail. The system created the disparity. Therefore, the system is guilty of the disparity. So the only rectification for that is that the law does not treat people equally. The law treats people differently based on race or victim status of the group to which they belong in the United States.


I think the disintegration ists have said that the American philosophy of limited government is wrong. The only path toward Utopia is a non limited government. No checks and balances, no federalism. Top-Down cram downs that will change human nature because the philosophy of the United States, the Unionist philosophy of the United States relies on a simple idea. Human beings are not angels. They're not devils. They're human beings. They're capable of sin. They're capable of great good.


This is why you need checks and balances. This is expressed best in James Madison, federalist number fifty one.


But disintegrations don't believe that. They believe the human beings. This is what John Dewey said, Woodrow Wilson. Many of the early 20th century progressives, they said that human beings are innately malleable. And the reason that human beings are flawed is because they live in a capitalist system shaped by things like the Declaration of Independence. Get rid of that system. Put in a more just and equitable economic system. And human beings will change. They will change. They'll become better.


This is the promise of Karl Marx, who was expressed by by progressives in the early 20th century. And that has never waned. This belief that all disparities in the system can be cured if you just get rid of the system. So American philosophy must be dissolved. American culture has to be fought according to the disintegration is a spirit of entrepreneurship is actually a spirit of exploitation. Entrepreneurs, adventurers, those who wander forth and Sally forth into the wilds of life and try to conquer and build.


Those people are exploiters. The best people are the people who rely on the government to give them things. The best people are the people who demand things from others because they create social justice. Your demand is your heroism. The fact that you want a thing is what grants you heroism because you are trying to establish a more equitable society. If you go when you build for yourself, that means that you are reliant on somebody else to build for you, which means you're an explorer.


If, however, you demand something from somebody else, you are just demanding that the system be more just and you are a hero. According to the disintegration is the spirit of tolerance. For others, rights is bad according to disintegration disintegrations, because according to disintegration is if you tolerate other people's rights. Well, what if they're bad? What if. What about the jerk who's not gonna let a black person God was business? We have to quash his rights because nobody should have a right to do something that's wrong.


Well, listen, I can think that guys just as much of a jerk as it is integrationist does, but right to exist and can be used by bad people in the wrong ways. Which is why you need social institutions that inculcate virtue. But disintegration is right, though, social institutions, because they believe that social institutions are a barrier against government dominance. So church is dangerous because a church might teach something that disintegrations don't like. The family structure is an enemy.


That's why Black Lives Matter. The organization to just family structure must be torn down because the family is the smallest minority other than the individual families might teach stuff that the majority doesn't like. Families might teach stuff the government doesn't want. And so family has to be broken down. And finally, a culture that understands not only tolerance for other people's rights, but also fights in on behalf of those rights, that something to this integrationists don't like either, because if you fight on behalf of those rights and you're standing up to dominate government and the only thing that can establish equity in our time is a dominant government.


And then finally, American history, disintegration of say, about American history that American history is 60 19. American history is the story of Columbus brutalizing the airlocks. It is not the story of Western civilization's growth in the Western Hemisphere and how that is better. The world and the story of Western society is a story of exploitation. It's the Howard Zinn story about how everything was Rousseau in beautiful, natural, savage wilderness out in the Western Hemisphere until the evil West got here with their exploitative ways.


Human sin did not exist until the West arrived on these shores, that the Western civilization is a cruel, exploitative place unlike any other civilization. Right? Uniquely exploitative, uniquely evil. And that narrative has taken a foothold. So that is the battle. And the problem is, if the disintegration is win, what exactly holds us together? We don't share philosophy, right. Basically, the philosophy of this integrationists suggests that whoever holds the majority should be able to club the minority over the head.


The only reason, by the way, disintegration is believed this these days is because they believe they're in the ascendancy. And the thing that disintegration is when it comes to governmental structures is they have no consistent take on governmental structures. Whatever is convenient is what they will push. So sometimes that means that they are in favor of states standing up to the federal government. So their fear in favor of sanctuary cities because they don't want the federal government cramming down its view of immigration on the states.


And sometimes it means they want the federal government to completely run roughshod over states like the same sex marriage disintegration that have no consistent philosophy of government. The philosophy of unionism says that government is supposed to be both federalist. Meaning that power devolved to the lowest level. And also, there's supposed to be checks and balances at every level to prevent too much accretion of power and to prevent people's rights from being overridden. There's no consistent philosophy of government from the disintegration is the philosophy of government is just whatever gets the job done, whatever moves us closer to Utopia.


And that means ultimate government power. The goal is ultimate government power. So this all has very significant ramifications for the for the United States in the future of the United States, because disintegrations are basically claiming that their vision of America in which we share very little, we don't share a history. History is just a series of things over the head that we don't share our culture because we don't believe that you should have rights if you think the wrong things.


This war cancel culture comes in. If you think the wrong things, we should go after your livelihood, which got your family. We should expose the places where you live, which docks you. We should make sure that if we can, we'll use the power of government against you. Disintegration is believed. The checks and balances should go away. And you don't have any individual rights that all rights spring from the government. And you can be treated differentially based on whether you are part of a historically marginalized group or a chosen, historically marginalized group or not.


Right. That's the disintegration of philosophy. And it will end. It will end with tyranny, because that is the only way this can end when you get rid of all the checks and balances. What you end up is with tyranny of the tyranny of the mob, which is essentially what many people have called for, getting rid of the United States Senate, getting rid of the Electoral College, packing the courts, getting rid of the federal system, tyranny of the tyranny of the majority, tyranny of the mob, which is something that the founding fathers worry deeply about.


Or alternatively, just tyranny of a barock or see a tyranny of a cultural bureaucracy, of cultural elites who know better than you, which means we can't live together. Because here's the thing. If you want California and Texas to live together, they got to they got to leave each other alone. That is the only way this works. If you want me to share a country with Bernie, then we got to we got to understand that there are certain parts of our lives that are inviolate, inviolable.


We have certain rights that are inalienable. If you don't believe that we can't live in the same country, because then it's just a question of who's got the government gun, which is exactly what disintegration is one. So how does this matter? In second, I'm gonna get to a poll showing that disintegration is are winning, that their view of America as racist, as bigoted, as cruel. Their view of American systems as innately bigoted. It's taken an extraordinary foothold in American public life.


And if this continues, there will not be an American left to stand up for. It just will not exist. It will be a different thing. We're gonna get to that in just one second. First, let's talk about the fact that all of this may make you want to rip your own hair out and then you will be bald, which would be bad. You don't want to be bald. Instead, you want to retain the hair that you have got.


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OK, so this brings us to a Wall Street Journal poll that is out this morning now. Do I believe that every aspect of this poll is reflective of permanent changes in American thinking? I do not. I think that very often polling follows extraordinary amounts, media coverage. So in the aftermath of the George Foy protests, when pollsters were calling up Americans and saying, what do you think of these protests? You like them or do you not like them?


I think a lot of Americans were like, I like them. I do. I like them. And let's be real. The original protests, there weren't there wasn't a lot to dislike. Nobody is in favor of police brutality. I said this at the time. I don't oppose protest against police brutality. What I opposed was the attempts to conflate questions of police brutality with the idea that there's endemic American racism that can only be removed by a top down government or a bottom up movement.


I don't think that's the case. I don't think police officers are endemically racist. I don't think the American system is endemically racist. I don't think the vast majority of Americans are racist or tolerate racism. And most of all, I do not think that in order to be, quote unquote, anti-racist, I have to stand for tearing down the system, which is the case being made by Robin D'Angelo and Ibram Kendy, which is an ugly wrong. Neil Marks a stupid case.


It doesn't make sense. Not only does it make sense, it is innately racist in and of itself because it assumes that we have to treat each other as members of groups rather than individuals. I mean, Robin D'Angelo herself says that it is it is racist to treat people as individuals. She says this in white fragility. It's not OK. It's just absolutely crazy. But unfortunately, because of the way the media have treated this entire situation and because the media have have attempted, frankly, to polarize the conversation around President Trump and have attempted to make Trump the font head of America, the goal here is to make Americans feel bad about America and then say, if you wanna feel better about America, all you got to do is get rid of Trump, put Joe Biden in there and you'll feel better about America.


And I will say that Joe Biden is playing a smart hand here, because what Joe Biden is doing is he's basically playing dead in the basement and he's avoiding the big mistakes when he's asked about statues, for example. He'll say, yeah, we should probably move the Confederate statues back. We should leave up Columbus in Washington and Jefferson, his radical left flank is screaming at him. No, no, no. You gotta get rid of all of those things.


And frankly, I don't think that Joe Biden would be a bulwark against his radical left flank once in office. He himself has said he would be a transitional figure, but he's playing it smart. So the implicit promise of the media is we are going to militate against American unity from now until the election if you elect Joe Biden. Then we'll shut up for like five seconds. Then, of course, it'll restart again. Remember, the Ferguson riots happened under Barack Obama.


But what this polling data shows that Americans are more and more warm to a lot of the disintegration is viewpoints, which is really dangerous, because once you have a majority of Americans who don't believe in fundamental American notions of rights, don't believe in that philosophy, don't believe in that culture, don't believe in that history. What exactly is supposed to hold us together? Other than rage at the system and what happens after the rage of the system is vented?


Because it turns out that they're pretty wildly different points of view on what should happen once you tear down the house. Once you turn on the house, then it's just a question of who's in charge. And revolutionaries very rarely have an idea as to what to do after the revolution is over. The French revolutionaries were pretty sure what they wanted to tear down. Some of what they want to tear down was good. Some of them want to tear down was bad.


It took an awful lot of blood. They tore it down. And in its place, they established a tyrannical directorate, which was eventually replaced by an actual dictator, which was event which which which was eventually replaced by a restoration of the monarchy. So that worked out poorly. The Russian Revolution was pretty much sure what it wanted to tear down. Right. There were whites in red and they both wanted to tear down that sourest system and then what?


Replace it a significantly worse communist tyranny that lasted for nearly all of the 20th century and resulted in the slaughter of literally tens of millions of people, maybe up to a hundred million people in the USSR alone. Depends on your calculation. So revolutionaries very rarely know what they want to do after the revolution. This is what makes the American Revolution different, is that after the American Revolution, because it was based on English common law and notions of philosophy and enlightenment ideas from John Locke and such.


There was a credal attempts to build something in the aftermath of breaking away from Great Britain. The revolution was really a separation. I mean, the declaration talks about this is less a revolution than a separation impelled by a gap in thinking. I don't think that's what's going to happen in the United States if if our unity dissolves in the face of disintegration ism. It's not like people know what's coming after. It's just perpetual revolution from here on it. Because that's essentially what what progressives have wanted forever is this perpetual revolution, which is why you see the WOAK eating their own right.


You see the woak going after the more WOAK or less woak. So what does this poll actually show? The numbers are pretty devastating. According to The Wall Street Journal, voters and growing numbers believe that black and Hispanic Americans are discriminated against. A majority of 56 percent holds the view that American society is racist. A new Wall Street Journal NBC News poll finds. So that is an incredibly vague question. Is American society racist? What do you mean by that you mean are there racist in American society?


Of course, you'd be a fool not to say they're racist in American society. Of course. What percentage of American society is racist? An extraordinary low percentage by every available metric, by actual data. Very, very low percentage. There've been studies had been done on where America stands in the world in terms of racial treatment. But it finds Americans want at least racist countries on Earth like America, Canada and the UK. Those are the least racist countries on Earth.


And by by polling data, as reported by The Washington Post back in 2013, America is not a racist society. It is not. And I know it's become a cliche to say this, but racist societies do not elect a black president twice in overwhelming fashion. That is not what racist societies do. You know how I know that? Because America was a deeply racist society. Can you imagine America electing a black president in 1960? Of course you cannot.


Of course you cannot. Not only electing a black president, electing him with an extraordinary margin over a over a historic war hero, the first time in over a popular Republican Massachusetts governor the second time. And this is is an extraordinary country. It's an extraordinary country and it's an extraordinary society. And I don't know how many Americans can really look at their neighbors and say, my neighbors are racist. This society is racist. So if you believe it, if a majority of Americans believe the society is racist, how much of that is really believing the society is racist and how much of that is just wishing to disassociate from the society so you can claim moral superiority in the in the modeling of Shelby Steele?


I think a lot of the latter. But then no matter, because that number is devastating, if a majority of Americans believe American society is racist. The question becomes, OK, what's the corrective? Because when people like me say, OK, show me the racist incidents or the person who's doing a racist thing and I'll fight it with you, then people say, well, no, you can't ask me for specifics because the society is racist. The very vagary of the statement terrorist, the system, which, of course, is the goal.


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Go check them out right now. OK, so the poll finds that Americans of all races and age groups share significant concerns about discrimination. Nearly two months after George Floyd, a black man, was killed in police custody in Minneapolis is The Wall Street Journal reporting nearly three quarters of Americans, 71 percent, believe that race relations are either very or fairly bad. A sixteen point increase in February. That's not a great shock, considering we've had actual race riots across the United States, egged on by the white Wolke left.


And when you see entire major American cities shut down for a week while people riot in the streets. You might think, oh, yeah, race relations are getting worse anyway. One of the things that is important to note, race relations in every poll have been getting consistently worse since Barack Obama was elected. Why? Well, because there was an optimism when Obama was elected that we were going to move into the post-racial era that MLK had once dreamed of, when people would judge each other on the basis of their individuality rather than the color of their skin.


Then we were told that we can't do that, that if you say that I judge you as an individual and not based on the color of your skin, that is in and of itself racist because you are failing to recognize the most important factor about someone, which is their race. Race relations have getting steadily worse. It didn't start with Trump. The media has said it's about Trump. Wrong. Go back and look at the polling. The question of positivity or negativity about race relations.


It's been getting worse every year since Barack Obama was elected. The height of optimism was literally the week Obama was elected and then been going down ever since. In other signs of substantial shifts in views on race, more voters see racial bias as a feature of American society and support protests aimed at addressing it. Nearly 60 percent in the survey said that black people face discrimination. Just over half said so if Hispanics about double the shares from 2008. Now, the thing about poll questions is you have to kind of determine what exactly are people perceiving when the question is asked?


Example. So if the question was, do black people face discrimination? The answer is obviously yes, because there are races in American society. So. Sure. And of course, if the question is, does America's does American society discriminate against black people? Broadly speaking, the answer is no. If the question is do America's legal institutions discriminate against black people? The answer is pretty. Obviously No. In favor. In fact, the only legal programs based on race are created to benefit people who are black.


Right? Questions like affirmative action. Support has also grown for two of the public responses to concerns about inequality. The Black Lives Matter movement and professional athletes practice of kneeling during the national anthem. So in terms of views on racism, percentage who agree that American society is racist. According to this poll, 46 percent of men agree. Sixty six percent of women agree. These are the women who have been cajoled into thinking so by The Washington Post. They can write puff pieces about how you're confronting your own racism.


Fifty one percent of white Americans say that American society is racist, which, by the way, is pretty incredible. Right? Half of white Americans say American society is racist. So who are the other like? So who are the racists? The people who don't say that American society is racist. Seventy eight percent of black Americans say American society is racist. Sixty percent of Hispanics say American society is racist. Now, here is the really interesting step here, right?


Eighty two percent of Democrats. Eighty two percent say American society is racist. Forty five percent of independents say it's racist. 30 percent of Republicans say it's racist. So, in other words, the disproportion here is not between Democrats and Republicans, is between Democrats and everybody else. Democrats are up at 82 percent say American society is racist. Independents, Republicans below 50. If you are aged 18 to 34. Sixty five percent believe American society is racist.


If you're above the age of 65, only 53 percent believe that American society is racist. So in other words, we have inculcated in young people the least discriminated against people in the history of the world. In America, if you're 18 years old in America, you don't remember Jim Crow. Your parents may not remember Jim Crow. If you're 18 years old, that means that you were born after the year 2000. The idea that you have experienced vast discrimination in America between the years 2000 and 2020 is generally absurd.


That doesn't mean you haven't experienced racism. I'm a Jew. I've experienced anti-Semitism. In fact, I've experienced a fair bit of it in the last few years. You know what? That doesn't mean that American society is endemically anti-Semitic. It isn't. Americans noting that there are anti-Semite does not mean that American society is anti-Semitic because it is not noting that black people experience racism in their lives is not the same as noting that American society is generally racist. Not the same thing.


The conflation of those two things is incredibly dangerous because what do you mean when you say American society is racist? You mean its structures and its institutions, namely, you mean its philosophy and its culture and its history. All the things that tie the nation together, if you call those racist, you're disintegrating them. In a CBS look at race in America in two decades, the journal NBC News poll shows members of the two parties hold sharply different opinions about the extent of racial discrimination.


An overwhelming majority of Democrats, 90 percent say black people are discriminated against, whereas 26 percent of Americans agree. Again, these questions are vaguely worded and they allow a lot of wiggle room. If you say, does American do it? Do Americans legal system discriminate against black Americans? There'd be a much more specific question. Eighty two percent of Democrats believe American society is racist. Only 30 percent of Republicans do. Fifty seven percent of voters said they support the protest sparked by Floyds going.


Fifty eight percent said they are more concerned with racial inequality as a result of the demonstrations. Because everybody understands that you are sort of supposed to say this. If you aren't, I don't understand why you weren't concerned with racial problems before this. But apparently people got more concerned. And just in just a few short period. A few short weeks. Unspecific questions like Mehling. In July and in August of 2018, 54 percent of Americans thought that kneeling during the national anthem to protest racial inequality was inappropriate.


Only 43 percent of Americans thought it was appropriate. By the way, the numbers were even more on behalf of not appropriate before Trump was elected. Trump jumped into that culture war. Lot of people took the other side just as they don't like Trump. So used to be like a 60 40 proposition, maybe a 65, 35 percent proposition. People didn't like kneeling for the national anthem because they felt like, OK, police brutality does not represent the flag and a flag doesn't represent police brutality.


That's absurd. The flag represents the fact that people get to play athletics for millions of dollars regardless of race. Right. That's more representative of the American flag than incidents of police brutality. And so most Americans thought this is a bad idea now. Fifty two percent of Americans say it is appropriate for athletes and football players to kneel during the national anthem. Forty five percent say it is not appropriate. Again, if you believe that the American flag represents police brutality, you're doing it wrong.


You're doing it wrong. There are only two groups of people who actually believe the American flag, in its essence, represents police brutality or defends police brutality. White supremacists and the Wolke, everybody else recognizes that. Police brutality is acting outside the scope of agency and scope of agency is legal concept. If I deploy you to go get me a pizza. As my agent and then you veer off the road and decide to strike a child with your car, you have acted outside the scope of agency.


When a policeman acts brutally, that is outside the scope of agency. Nobody said to the policeman, go act brutally. The the kneeling question has shifted pretty dramatically. Furthermore, a majority of black voters in the survey, 65 percent, this is the key question, said that people of color experience racial discrimination because it is built into American society, including U.S. policies and institutions. That's the devastating question. So two in three black Americans believe that racial discrimination is not endemic to human nature.


And it's not just a matter of individual sin. It is built into the systems, which inherently means you got to tear down the entire system in order to fight racial discrimination. That's a disintegration. His world view and that is being promulgated by our media is being promulgated by folks who are attempting to foster racial conflict. It is a perspective on American society that is generally oriented at destroying anything that could possibly bind us. A plurality of white voters, 48 percent, attribute racial discrimination to individuals who hold racist views as opposed to institutions and society as a whole.


Which, by the way, is much more accurate, because if you're gonna point to it, I've been saying this for years. If you're gonna say institutional racism, you have to point to the institution and you have to explain how it is racist. And it is not enough to say, well, you know, policing when it first started was about slave catching. Fast forward 200 years. And it's exactly this. None of this fastforward crap because fast forwarding means you skipped the entire plot, just like if you're watching a movie and you don't know the plot.


You started the first five minutes. You fast forward to the end. You don't get the plot if you go 60, 19, 20, 20. No difference. You just skip 400 years. Somewhere in there. There's been a few developments in that time. Views of the Black Lives Movement, Black Lives Matter movement also differ by race. Seventy six percent of black voters, while the positive view these are evenly divided among white voters. Forty two percent hold a positive view.


Thirty nine percent a negative one. Again, one of the issues here is that when it comes to these issues, there is so much semantic overload. When people say black lives matter, do they mean that we want black people to live full and prosperous lives? If so, there should be 100 percent agreement. I agree with that. If we if what we mean is Black Lives Matter. Organization is good. No, the Black Lives Matter organization is horrible.


Neo Marxist garbage. Black Lives Matter organization. Again, not the protesters. Not the not the phrase. The actual organization. Black Lives Matter, which can find on the web at is Black Lives Matter dot org or something. It's a neo Marxist garbage organization is openly anti-Semitic. It is. It is. It is a terrible organization. So the problem is poll questions like this is it's unclear what exactly people are asked to side behind. So you get an unclear result.


Three quarters of voters said they were encouraged. The country is addressing longstanding issues of racism in society. So I think this is this is the hopeful step here. Right. That suggest that maybe the disintegration is or are not going to win. Is that it really suggests this step might be the most telling. One of all, the three quarters of voters say they are encouraged the country is addressing these issues, meaning just by us responding to this poll or hoping that we can take the country back together again.


We've shown we don't like racism. So can we please go back to normal? I think that's really what that poll stat is saying. At the same time, half said they were concerned at the protests over racial issues are creating social unrest and bringing too much change to the country, including a racing America's history and significant figures in it, which, of course, that should again be a seventy five percent proposition, not a 50 percent proposition. With these stats show is that we're living on knife's edge when it comes to the preservation of the factors that allow society to continue forward in positive fashion.


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So all of this plays out in real life as violence takes place in the streets. It is very obvious to see how that is. Integrationists really damage the country. When you when you see what is happening in Portland right now. So in Portland, you basically have rolling riots. They've been occurring for nigh on two months at this point. And the local authorities have basically said that because the system, a system in which they are part, by the way, because the system is endemically racist and cruel and brutal, they're going to stand aside and just let this stuff happen.


So according to CNN, it's classic entrenchment with no end in sight. Neither side is backing down as protesters and federal agents continue to periodically clash in downtown Portland following an infusion of federal resources in the area. And the Trump administration persists in seeking political gain from ongoing tensions. Gotta love CNN's coverage. Very objective journalism thing happening right there. The Trump administration persists in seeking political gain from ongoing tensions. How about Portland has completely refused to enact any semblance of law and order for years at this point.


And the federal government is saying, no, mass, we are done here no more. According to Aaron, a Portland resident who withheld his full name. We want to get them the F out of our city. According to acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf, he said, I offered DHS support, help locally address the situation going on in Portland. Their only response was, please pack up and go home. That's not going to happen on my watch.


What constitutes the situation, Wolf describes, is not one mutually accepted by those on different sides of the issue. The Trump administration says they are fighting anarchist protesters here on the ground in Portland tell CNN the president and his team are broad brush, an entire movement overwhelmingly peaceful, despite some periods of violence for purely political reasons. I love that when you shut down rioting and looting, that's political when you write and loot. That's not political. Also overwhelmingly peaceful.


And this phrase is being stretched beyond all boundaries of linguistic accuracy. Overwhelmingly peaceful does not include you attacking a federal courthouse. Overwhelmingly peaceful. And honestly, I can't wait for the phrase mostly peaceful to start being applied in America's criminal courtrooms. I'm really looking forward to it. Should he use it at the O.J. trial? You know, that night, O.J., it was mostly peaceful. Really? Like for most of the night, like there were 12 hours of the night between sunset and sunrise.


It was like a 12 hour period. And for at least 10 hours and forty five minutes, O.J. was peaceful, overwhelmingly peaceful that evening. It just kind of, what, absolute mush mouth garbage from the media. It really is incredible. OK, so President Trump is now threatening a crackdown on violent Iraqis, as he should, because it turns out that when a city refuses to protect its law abiding citizenry, they fail in their duty to protect the life, liberty and property of their citizenry.


Here was President Trump yesterday correctly stating that he was not going to allow law and order to completely collapse in a major American city.


I'm going to do something that I can tell you because we're not going to at New York and Chicago and Philadelphia, Detroit and Baltimore and all of these. Oakland is a mess. We're not going to let this happen in our country. All run by liberal Democrats, federal law enforcement to some of these cities. More federal law enforcement that I can tell you in Portland. They've done a fantastic job. They've been there three days and they really have done a fantastic job in a very short period of time.


No problem. They grab him. A lot of people in jail. Their leaders are anarchists. These are not protesters.


And he is correct about this. The media naturally conflate the anarchists and the protesters. It's amazing. Rioters in Portland overwhelmed police and torched the police union headquarters over the last couple of days. But apparently this is all just like normal protesting. According to the media. And you can tell which side the media are on, right? So long as they're opposing Trump, they don't care if they are forwarding the goals of so many members of Antifa. They they don't care if they're helping the anarchists.


In fact, they kind of like it because the system deserves to fall. The system deserves to go down. The media coverage of this stuff is absolutely astonishing. I mean, truly, truly crazy. My my my favorite piece on this was by Richard Reid at the L.A. Times is amazing. So in Portland, there's a naked, crazy lady who showed up and started doing yoga poses in front the cops. Richard Reid apparently took out the Vaseline and had himself an old time while writing this piece.


She emerged as an apparition from clouds of tear gas as federal agents fired pepper balls and angry protesters in the early Saturday darkness. A woman wearing nothing but a black face mask and a stocking cap strode toward a dozen heavily armed agents attired in camouflage fatigues lined up across a downtown Portland street. The agents, dispatched by the Trump administration over vociferous objections of state and city officials, are part of a force that has fired projectiles hard and detained activists protesting nightly since the killing of George Floyd.


Numerous photos and videos posted on Twitter show The Unidentified Woman as she halted in the middle of the street at about forty five a.m.. She stood calmly. A surreal image of human vulnerability in the face of an overwhelming force that has been criticized nationally by civil rights advocates. The agents in gas masks and helmets continued firing pepper balls. Mr. Choteau pop pop up, heard on video aiming low at the asphalt or puffs of smoke mingled with clouds of gas at one wall.


At one point, a fellow protester, clothed, carried a homemade shield, darted in front of the woman, angling to protect her. But the woman sidestepped him. He jumped out of the way, perhaps realizing he made them both a target before it was over. She struck ballet poses and reclined on the street. She also sat on the asphalt in a yoga like position facing officers before they left. The woman making her statement Saturday was altogether uninhibited.


At one point standing on one leg, raising her arms in an archetype motion as she struck ballet pose as a patrol car arrived. And it doesn't. Officers in blue uniforms replace the line of agents whom officials described as having been targeted by protesters throwing rocks, bottles and pieces of metal. Oh, well, that's kind of whether or not the naked lady, she sat and she sat in the street facing them legs spread in the headlights glare. Calm down there, dude.


Calm down. Richard Reid of the L.A. Times. Later, she rolled on her back in a graceful pose, then stood again. Images of her on social media harked back to a previous iconic but clothed images juxtaposing force and vulnerability. Nudity has served as a form of protest since at least the 11th century. When legend holds that Lady Godiva rode naked, veiled only by her long hair on a horse through Coventry, England, to protest oppressive taxation on Twitter.


Sympathetic commentators were quick to conclude that naked Athena, as they dubbed the Portland protester, caused the officer to turn tail. Others on Twitter said the performance by a white woman distracted from protests of injustices faced by black people, which is hilarious. Okay, I do love that the Wolke are even like this naked lady needs to go because she's white. Get out. Get her out of here. She's protesting for us. No more naked lady, but the media.


The media's willingness to just just basically bow at the altar of insanity just because they are in favor of the house. They like to cast the castle is good. According to many members of the media. It's ugly and has an underlying agenda. Guess what? Bad crap's happening in the country right now. NYPD commissioner said yesterday that he was losing count of how many cops have been attacked in New York. Which is correct. Cops all over the United States are being attacked.


Violent crime rates are going up. Know those paying the most. It ain't cops. It is black citizens of state of places like Chicago and New York where violence has been skyrocketing. Here is the NYPD commissioner.


I mean, we've had attack after attack on police officers. I'm losing count of the officers that I'm calling at home. You having surgery?


This is just in the last week. So this all has prompted Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina to compare federal law enforcement to the Gestapo. Seriously, a thing? OK, so federal law enforcement comes in because these cities are refusing to enforce law. And he is now calling federal law enforcement the Gestapo. This is this is the new thing, by the way. There's an entire column by the idiot Michelle Goldberg at The New York Times suggesting, quote, Trump's occupation of American cities has begun.


You know, as opposed to the occupation by unlawful forces that have completely shut down major American cities for weeks on end, sending in the federal law enforcement to arrest people. That's an occupation, she says. Can we call it fascism yet? My favorite part is that she literally does not understand the law. So she's like people are being arrested without warrants. OK. You know what that is called? Very often that's just called an arrest. Felony arrest in public places do not require a warrant, according to Supreme Court law.


And they do not. Felony arrest in place is not open to the public require a law. But if you're walking around the park and you're committing a felony or there's suspicion you're committing a felony, you can be arrested. They don't need a warrant to the restaurant site. Apparently, this is very bad. Anyway, here's James Clyburn suggesting that Americans, American soldiers and federal law enforcement members of the DHS are the Gestapo. I find this rather insulting to people who actually survived the Gestapo.


Here's James Clyburn.


For all of a sudden, these people go in there. Nothing from the governor, nothing from local law enforcement. Just show up with their faces covered. And Omar calls. That is the beginning of the ending of this democracy. That kind of activity is the activity of a police state. And this president and this is Joe seem saying they're doing everything they possibly can to impose Gestapo activities in local communities.


Jim, Jim Clyburn should know better than anybody alive. What actual Gestapo tactics look like. He's a man old enough to have lived through Jim Crow and experience it. That was Gestapo stuff when the police were actively an arm of segregation. That was Gestapo stuff. Not when the police are acting, when the federal law enforcement are acting to stop it from burning federal buildings. But the goal, of course, is to conflate all of this is to conflate all if you stand up against the burning of federal buildings.


If you stand up against the lawlessness running rampant through America's cities, you're just defending the system. And if people have to pay. Innocent people have to pay because the system collapses. That them's the breaks. Them's the breaks. Disintegration ism does not care about the costs. It doesn't care about the costs, which is why, of course, the media will go after it. It'll be very, very upset about the the vandalism committed by an anti Black Lives Matter protesters of a black woman who went to the the giant painting mural, Black Lives Matter in front of Fifth Avenue.


Couple days ago. And she started pouring black paint on there and shouting that black lives do matter, which is why we need to refund the police. But that's vandalism. That's something that's worth prosecuting. Obviously throwing paint on George Washington. We leave that alone for this integrationist. This lady is obviously doing something deeply wrong by defacing me. The holy yellow painting outside of the Fifth Avenue, Trump Tower. Even though it has done nothing to save black lives, that mural has done nothing.


Zero things, as Lady correctly notes. Again, vandalism. Not a great thing. Her generalized point is correct. The virtue signalling the disintegration is it has costs. It does have cost. Especially we're talking about removing police. Meanwhile, a Democratic prosecutor is now charging a Missouri couple for defending their private property. A Democratic prosecutor who is up for re-election, her name is Kim Gardner, announced on Monday she's charging a St. Louis couple who defended their private property using firearms last month.


And they they're ripped up and down on social media. So terrible what happened. They lived in a private gated community. Protesters who become rioters the moment break the law. They ripped doors off the hinges of the private gated community because they wanted to yell at the mayor. And they walked through and apparently were threatening this guy and his wife and their property. The guy and his wife walked out carrying guns. Now they are being charged with fourth degree misdemeanor assault as well as felony unlawful use of weapon, according to the St.


Louis Post-Dispatch. Mark and Patricia McCloskey each are now facing a single felony count of unlawful use of a weapon exhibiting charging documents say that Mark pointed an AR 15 rifle at protesters and she wielded a semiautomatic handgun, placing those protesters in fear of injury. There's only one problem there, a castle doctrine in Missouri. There's a castle doctrine in Missouri and that castle doctrine in Missouri means you've got to defend your private property. Mark McClosky appeared on Tucker Carlson's show last night.


Here's what he had to say for himself.


The people that broke into my neighborhood, they're all trespassing. The big guy that recruited it planned this event, said the next day that he intended to break the law, that it was his he needed to break laws in order to send his message. None of those people were arrested. None of those people are charged. The prosecutor, the circuit attorney has apparently decided that her job as a prosecutor isn't to keep us safe from criminals, but to keep the criminals safe from us.


It's a bizarre upside down world. I've been a little irritated by this process until today. Now I'm just flat out pissed off. I mean, this is this has gotten to be outrageous.


McCloskey pointed out that one person pulled out loaded pistol magazines, clipped them together and said, your next. He said, we are threatened with our lives, threatened with the house being burned down, my office building being burned down, our dog's life being threatened. It was about as bad as it can get. I really thought it was the storming of the Bastille. We'd be dead. The house would be burned. There was nothing we could do about it.


There's a large and frightening crowd. They've broken the gate and they were coming at us. Well, the good news is that Matari in Missouri has filed to dismiss the charges. He says, I won't stand by while Missouri law is being ignored. So at least at least there is that. But the lawlessness, the attempt to tear down the system from within, that is the grave threat to the republic. We should all all be able to stand with the idea that will being law abiding matters, that the system is built around freedom.


It is not built around oppression, because if we believe the opposite, that the system will indeed collapse and what replaces it is going to be something not quite as nice as the most powerful, free and prosperous nation in the history of the world. OK, well, we'll be back later today with a couple of additional hours of content. Otherwise, we'll see you here tomorrow. In the meantime, go pick up a copy of my book, How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps and go to Daily, where dot com slash Ben, pick up a signed copy and watch our livestream today.


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