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President Trump's communications team can't set the record straight on the president's health. Trump takes an ill advised ride around the hospital and Democrats try to conceal their glee as they politically maneuver. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro Show at. The Ben Shapiro Show is sponsored by Express DPN, Stand up for your digital rights, visit Express VPN dot com segment. We'll get to all of the news in just a moment. But the news may have you thinking these days a little bit about your health.


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But the state of the race seems to be breaking very strongly in Joe Biden's direction. That is not a great shock. After President Trump's very bizarre debate performance last week and then after his covid diagnosis, you would expect that the polls would begin to open a fair amount. And as you see from the new Wall Street Journal NBC News poll, this is exactly what you see. Joe Biden now leads the president. Fifty three to thirty nine among registered voters in the new poll.


Now, registered voters isn't really what you're looking for, really. You're looking for likely voters. That is a large lead. However, for Biden, he has increased the lead from an eight point advantage last month to a 14 point lead today. That came just before Trump tested positive for covid, which, of course, was bad news for Trump. The survey actually found that the individual news when the debate was having a material effect on Trump's political standing, at least for the moment, one of the reasons, again, was because Trump sort of reinforced the fact that he was at the center of the race, as I have literally been saying for years, at this point, if this race is a referendum on Trump, he's going to lose.


If this race is a referendum on Biden and the radicalism of the Democrats and maybe the Democrats will lose. But there are certain areas where Trump is really starting to trail heavily. He was always trailing among women in this particular survey. He's trailing sixty to thirty three among women, more importantly, among elderly people. He's really dropping in terms of his level of support. And he won elderly voters last time. Right now, he's losing elderly voters pretty significantly.


And even in this poll, which is before Trump got covid, the poll showed that 52 percent of Americans believed that Biden would be better at handling covid. Fifty two to thirty five. So all of this is bad news for Republicans. Obviously, it's bad news for the Senate, the worse the president performs. It's a close election and he loses. Maybe the Republicans hold the Senate right now. Republicans, in order to hold the Senate, need to hold five of eight contested seats right now.


That looks pretty dicey. They would need to hold, among others, Colorado, Iowa, Montana, Arizona, Maine, North Carolina, a lot of very, very contested seats, a lot of hotly fraught seats right there. So we'll see how how all of this turns out. It is likely that the president's poll numbers are going to drop further in the immediate aftermath of the covid diagnosis, specifically because there is a poll from ABC News Ipsos that shows that nearly three in four people think that that Trump did not take the appropriate precautions regarding covid, which again, is not a shock considering the kind of rhetoric he puts out there.


As I pointed out last week after the COVA diagnosis, what the government has done is not the same thing as what Trump expresses when he is number one on the stump. And number two, in his sort of general attitude, whenever he talks about masks, for example, he'll say things like wear a mask if I have to. But, you know, people are wearing too many masks and they're concerned that there's a way to talk about masks that shows that you take them seriously and then there's a way to talk about them that shows that you don't take them particularly seriously.


Two things can be true at one's one. Trump can have handled his own rhetoric uncovered in a very bad way and to the media are completely insane. Both of these things are absolutely true. Which brings us to this weekend. So I had the wonderful experience of not being online during this weekend, which honestly, it was great. And one of the reasons it was great is because I missed all of the chaos and discombobulation. See, I came off my my Jewish holiday late last night.


And my first thing was, OK, is Trump OK? I checked he was OK and I thought, OK, well, that's the news.


No wrong I am because we live inside a reality TV show, and the only thing that matters is how the media cover what Trump is doing today and what Trump is doing today. And so what you got over the weekend is really in microcosm the last four years of the news cycle, which is Trump does a bunch of things, some of which are good and some of which are tremendously ill advised. And the media treat all of them individually as the end of the world.


And when you come away at the end, Trump is basically OK. The media is basically OK. Everything is basically OK right now was the story of the weekend. Nonetheless, two things can be true at once. There was a bakery in terms of exactly how this was handled from the White House, without a doubt. And also the media decided to turn everything, even stuff that was pre-approved with the health professionals that has decided to turn everything into some sort of crazy scandal.


OK, so let's begin with early on in the weekend. So so on Friday, President Trump cuts an 18 second video just showing that he's OK. Then he proceeds to get on Marine One and then he flies to the hospital. It is worth pointing out at this point that Jennifer Rubin of The Washington Post says why is he getting in a helicopter? Why doesn't he just take a car? Probably it's because he's super sick. So you should take a car.


The relevance of the car will become apparent in just a moment. OK, so then on Saturday, President Trump puts out another video and this one is a four minute video because there are questions about the 18 second video. Is that all he could do? Right. How sick was he? So on Saturday, he puts out a second video in which he speaks for four minutes and he talks about how he's going to beat this thing and he's learning about it the hard way.


And frankly, he looks a fair bit better than he did on Friday. It's been a very interesting journey. I learned a lot about covid. I learned it by really going to school. This is the real school. This isn't the let's read the book school and I get it and I understand it. And it's a very interesting thing. And I'm going to be letting you know about it. In the meantime, we love the USA and we love what's happening.


Thank you.


OK, so obviously he doesn't know about that, right? I mean, he looks like he's pretty high energy, kind of typical Trump. He looks like he's getting through this thing. The White House then released pictures of Trump signing papers and the media went crazy because, oh, my God, it looks like he's sending a blank paper. First of all, it's not clear. The paper is blank. No. To like he might be dying. Guys, as far as you know, at this point, he could be dying.


That seems like that is a last priority. They also went crazy because there are two pictures of him that were released. One of them, he's wearing a jacket. One of them, he is not wearing a jacket. They're like he took those two minutes apart and then he pretended that that was him doing work all day long. OK, seriously, it was amazing. Over the weekend, members of the media were like, you know, other people, other presidents have lied about their state of health in the past.


Woodrow Wilson, FDR, JFK. I've seen presidents lie about their health in the past, but they're good at it. Well, no, the difference is that back then the media were actually complicit in lying about the health of the president of the United States when they felt that it had national security implications here. They're obviously trying to pick apart the health state of President Trump based on whether he is signing a blank sheet of paper or not. So that was Saturday.


OK, then on Sundays, we'll see. President Trump decided, you know, Sunday. Let's go for a drive. We'll get to that in just a second. First, let's talk about the fact that right now it's kind of an uncertain business being a gun owner.


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So he released another video in which he said, guys, you know what, I'm missing all y'all. And sure, I have a window right here and I could just like go there and open it up and just wave to everybody like Ronald Reagan after he got shot in 1980. But instead, I need to drive around in a car. He's going riding in his automobile. OK, I say here is the video of President Trump riding around in his car.


Here's was right there. There he is waving he's wearing a mask inside the car and you have a bunch of Trump supporters outside cheering OK, everybody in the media went really crazy about this.


And you knew they would, right? You knew they would, which is why was this like a wonderful idea on his face? No, I mean, if you're sick, the way you are supposed to be sick with covid is you are supposed to quarantine. Quarantining means you're not supposed to do stuff like this right now. Again, Jennifer Rubin, who five minutes before was like, why didn't he take a car to the hospital? Now she's like, why is he even in a car at all?


He should get back on Marine One. The rest of the media, again, decided to go absolutely bananas over this thing. Now for the thousandth time, two things Himuro ones. Is it a good idea to get in a vehicle and drive around in the vehicle while you have covered? The general answer is no. It is not a good idea to do this right. We all made fun of Chris Cuomo when he had covid and then he decided to jet set out to his second property and check the place out while he had covered it.


But is it also true that the president is likely working with medical professionals when he decides to do this? Of course that's true, but it doesn't matter. Our our Twitter medical professionals decide to go absolutely nuts about this. So Dr. James Phillips, M.D., was the chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University University Emergency Medicine. And he is the Walter. He's an attending at Walter Reed, which doesn't mean he's trumps attending. It just means he is attending at Walter Reed.


Walter Reed, a very large hospital. There are many attending. So it wouldn't be too hard to find some doctor who presumably doesn't like Trump very much. He tweeted out every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary presidential drive by just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die for political theater commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity. OK, and then you had Dr.


Leeanna, when is the contributing columnist for The Washington Post and CNN medical analyst and former head of Planned Parenthood. Correct. So anyone who, again, has her own political priors, she tweeted out, if Donald Trump were my patient in unstable condition and contagious illness, and he suddenly left the hospital to go for a car ride that endangers himself and others I call security to restrain him, then perform a psychiatric evaluation to examine his Decision-Making capacity. Well, then you're probably not like a very good doctor because it turns out that the Walter Reed physicians cleared him to do this.


According to Catherine Herridge, over at CBS, doctors okayed the president's drive by supporters. Deputy press secretary tells Mark Knoller appropriate precautions were taken in the execution of this movement to protect the president and all those supporting it, including personal protective equipment cleared by the medical team. Safe to do so. Apparently, the Secret Service agents were not just wearing masks along with Trump. They were also in goggles. They were also wearing like full on gowns. Masalha, they were they're wearing whatever personal protective equipment they needed in order to be safe.


And for all of the members of the media who were fulminating, look at Secret Service, Secret Service being put at risk. It's so terrible. I guess it's a good idea by Trump. No, it is not, actually. But with that said, Secret Service, you guys are very, very worried about the Secret Service today. Let me just point out that over the weekend there are a bunch of Black Lives Matter protesters protesting and they're doing it at the White House, which means the Secret Service is right there.


And there are videos and photos of people shouting directly in their faces, people screaming directly in their faces. And you guys didn't have one word to say about the safety and security of the Secret Service agents, because apparently that's deeply necessary. It's very necessary to have people screened without masks directly in the face of Secret Service agents because at least they are screaming for racial justice or whatever cause of the day as in. So forgive me my skepticism about your motives, Nidia, when you talk about how how deeply you care about the protection of our Secret Service agents.


Then my favorite thing, the White House Correspondents Association, they couldn't even get the message straight, so was it bad for Trump to go on the drive or is it bad that he didn't invite the press to also go along with the drive? According to the Hill, the White House Correspondents Association on Sunday blasted President Trump's brief foray out of his hospital room to wave to supporters from an SUV calling it outrageous and criticizing the lack of transparency around the photo op, White House Correspondents Association President Zeke Miller said in a statement.


It is outrageous for the president to have left the hospital even briefly amid a health crisis without a protective pool present to ensure the American people know where their president is and how he is doing now. More than ever, the American public deserves independent coverage of the president so they can be reliably informed about his health. So it's terrible, terrible, terrible that Trump would go outside. Also, he was endangering everybody. Also, why didn't we have reporters in the car with him?


So that's solid stuff right there. That's right. OK, so what exactly is Trump's health condition as of right now? Apparently, he's OK. People are trying to blow it out of proportion that he's taking a steroid. OK, lots of people take steroids. I mean, seriously, like steroids are a very, very common, commonly used medication. They are safe for use in children as designated by the FDA, the use of a of a clinical steroid in order to presumably help tamp down covid or work on the immune system so as to tamp down covid.


That is not like the end of the world. However, there was confusion about his condition over the weekend, we'll get to that. We'll get to that confusion in just a moment. First, it now looks as though pretty much everybody around Trump has been infected with covid. So Trump's campaign manager, Bill Stepien, Bill Stepien, he tested positive for covid. Attorney General William Barr has not tested positive for covid, but he's going to self quarantine anyway, just in case for the next few days.


We also have Chris Christie being diagnosed, and Christie obviously is also in a high risk bracket, considering that he is obviously heavily overweight. We have a bunch of people who are at the Cleveland Clinic debate who apparently got tested and and came up positive. So this has turned into its own little super spreader core, which is why, again, should the president have been downplaying the way that he the way that he did, masking just in his attitude, not even in so far as what he says, but his attitude?


No. Should there have been at this White House Rose Garden ceremony, people who are hugging each other and all up on each other, even if they had already been tested? Probably not. Right. None of this was kind of CDC standard. I get it. I get the narrative. I do. And again, two things can be true. One, for the fifth time, do you think it can be for one's botched by the White House?


Media is bad at this. OK, so The New York Times is looking at the use of dexamethasone to treat Trump as suggesting that he had severe covid. According to The New York Times on Sunday, Trump's doctors offered rosy assessments of his condition on Sunday, but a few medical details they disclosed, including his fluctuating oxygen levels and a decision to begin treatment with a steroid drug suggesting suggested to many infectious disease experts that he is suffering a more severe case of covid-19 than the physicians acknowledge.


And this is where we get off into cuckoo land territory. So now we have The New York Times and many other publications running full scale speculation about the president's health while you have actual doctors out there speaking about the president's health. That seems irresponsible to me, it seems irresponsible to have Sanjay Gupta talking about the president's health condition when he couldn't even correctly diagnose Chris Cuomo on air, he said the Chris Cuomo had leakage into his lungs, which apparently is not even a thing.


But over the weekend, he was like, I don't trust the medical information being put out by the medical team. Now, as you'll see, there are some basis provided to this distrust by the White House communications team and the White House and the White House doctors. It everything is a mess. Everything is a mess. If this White House acted professionally, it would tamp down two thirds of the problems that have happened inside this administration easily. That's been the problem with this administration from the very beginning.


Lots of great policy, horrible communication strategy here. Sanjay Gupta on CNN. You got to be honest.


You've got to be transparent and all these details matter. I mean, he's out and he's coming out to brief the public about the president. That that's that's the briefing that's happening. If you're going to do that, then you have to be absolutely honest. And it wasn't just sort of conveying an upbeat attitude. He was it was purposely misleading yesterday about a very basic issue, which is whether or not the president had been on supplemental oxygen.


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So on on Friday, they said originally that he was asymptomatic. Then they said that he had mild condition. Then they said that he had a moderate condition, according to Mark Meadows. And then on Saturday, Dr. Sean Connelly, who's the White House physician, came out publicly and he did a presser in which he kind of refused to give answers on whether Trump had received the oxygen.


He has not received any supplemental.


He's not on oxygen right now. That's right. He has not received any at all. He's he's not needed anybody any this morning, today at all. Has he ever been on supplemental? He right now he is not. I know you keep saying now, but should we read into the fact that he had been freed yesterday and today he was not on oxygen, so he has not been on it during his current treatment? That is not on oxygen right now.


OK, so he kept saying over and over, he's not on oxygen right now. And then Saturday morning, Sarah Cooke of NBC reported that a source familiar with the president's health said, quote, The president's vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We're still not on a clear path to a full recovery and people on the right went nuts. How could Sarah Cook report this? It's not an anonymous source.


If you're going to say something like the president might be dying, then you probably need to source that. Well, as it turns out, the anonymous source was, in fact, Chief of staff. Mark Meadows is, according to Jonathan Swan over at Axios. Here was Mark Meadows on Saturday saying, oh, yeah, he did actually receive oxygen, as it turns out. Now, that doesn't mean that Connally was lying. Connally was not lying, and Connally was doing the Bill Clinton is is in present tense and was in pasteurise saying, well, you know, right now, like this very moment, he's not on oxygen.


Pardon me, you. And here's Mark Meadows getting rid of the narrative.


The biggest thing that we see is that with with no fever now and with him doing really well with his saturation levels, we yesterday morning, we were we were real concerned with that. He had a fever and his blood oxygen level dropped rapidly. And and yet in typical style, this this president was was up and walking around.


OK, so there you have Mark Meadows undercutting the original narrative by Connally that Trump was not on oxygen. He says, no, actually, he did have oxygen, actually, a couple of times. So then on Sunday, Connally was asked about why he didn't actually just give real information. Now, it's pretty obvious, again, from that original clip that he was being studiously as he was studiously avoiding saying that Trump had been on oxygen. And then on Sunday, he comes out and he says, I was trying to convey an upbeat attitude.


I was trying to reflect the the the upbeat attitude that the team, the president, but, of course, of illness has had and didn't want to give any information that might steer the course of illness in another direction. And in doing so, you know, came off that we were trying to hide something which wasn't necessarily true. And so here he is. The the fact of the matter is, is that he's doing really well.


OK, so the last thing is the one that matters. But is this a good strategy? No. And as it turns out, it was a strategy that was designed at the top as per usual arrangement. When professionals actually do the CMS, things turn out OK? When President Trump does the CMS, things do not turn out OK, meaning the communications strategy. I mean, this puts now the White House doctor in a position of not really being able to be believed.


And Sunday, Connally was asked about this at the White House. He was asked, you know, how are we supposed to believe you when you basically would not give us information? Yesterday?


Yesterday, you told us that the president was in great shape, had been in good shape and fever free for the previous 24 hours. Minutes after your press conference, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told reporters that the president's vitals were very concerning over the past 24 hours. The simple question for the American people whose statements about the president's health should be clear.


So the chief and I worked side by side, and I think his statement was misconstrued. What he meant was that 24 hours ago when he and I were checking on the president, that there was that momentary episode of the high fever and that temporary drop in the saturation.


OK, so the way that they actually ended up clearing this up is by saying that originally the timeline had been conveyed wrong. It wasn't over the prior 24 hours or so. It wasn't in the prior 48 hours. Over the prior 24 hours, people on the left have been speculating that Trump tested positive as early as Wednesday. It turns out that that is not the case as far as we know. It turns out, actually, that Trump tested positive, I guess, as of Thursday.


And then after he tested positive in a rapid test on Thursday, he went on Sean Hannity's show. And while he was on Hannity show, he didn't then convey that he tested positive because he was waiting for the more certain PCR test to come back. Now, that's not lying, right? I mean, if you test preliminarily positive in a rapid COBIE testing, you're president of the United States and you are now waiting for another test to come back then.


And somebody asks you and you say, I don't know yet that's not lying. Or if you just don't volunteer the information that's not really lying either is not great. Like if you're Trump, probably just cancel the interview with Hannity. Like, why wouldn't you cancel? But again, come strategy run from the top. The great lie of the Trump White House for a long time is that Trump is a communications genius. He's a branding genius. He is not a communications genius.


These are two different things. A branding genius is somebody who knows how to put together a pithy slogan, somebody who knows how to put together a pithy pitch, a communications genius, somebody who knows how to actually message complex ideas into the simple and had to be transparent enough with the American public to gain their trust. And Trump is not a common strategy genius. He is a very, very good branding guy. That divide has never been greater than it is right now.


Now, that said, the media again have lost their ever loving minds over all of this. We've been told that him riding in a car, literally murdering people. We've been told that his doctors are openly lying to the American public. How can we trust them to the point where we even had people like Joy Reid suggesting Trump may not even have covered? Maybe this is just not a sympathy play. She said she was getting those sorts of texts from her friends.


That lady has a show on MSNBC. We'll get you more of this in just one second. But it does point to a shortcoming in the president's personality that's being reflected in the polls. And it is common between the debate and between the covid treatment handling. We'll get to that in one second. First, let's talk about the fact that when you think of the future, you think of your dreams, what you really should be thinking of is your goals, because the fact is that you can achieve those goals and many of those goals can be achieved.


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Alison Farah, who actually is very good at her job, she's the White House CMS advisor. She conceded Dr. Connelly had been speaking to an audience of one during a Saturday briefing, quote, When you're treating a patient, you want to project confidence, you want to lift their spirits. And that was the intent, OK, the intent of Connely even being, you know, one to pass it on to a presser. But we're going to have a presser.


Then you actually have to be transparent about the health condition. What's amazing about this is that Trump is now mimicking a lot of the same flaws as the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016 and 2016. There were serious questions about Hillary Clinton's health. You remember this, right? She was she kept coughing. She wasn't doing long interviews. And then you remember she kept saying, everything is fine, it's fine. It's totally fine. And then she collapsed into a van.


And then the answer was, well, she had dehydration, right? That was the original answer. She got dehydrated. And then it turns out she had walking pneumonia or something. And we had not been given that information and people started to have real doubts about her health. Well, the same thing has happened here with President Trump. Now, it looks like, apparently, according to Dr. Brian Garibaldi, another physician treating the president, that Trump could be discharged as early as today and head back to the White House, which, of course, would be good.


In addition to steroids, Trump has received an experimental antibiotic cocktail and is in the midst of a five day course of severe, which is an antiviral. The White House does have a medical unit capable of responding to the president's health troubles. They don't have any sophisticated equipment available at Walter Reed, but more of that is for evaluation. Trump apparently wants out if his Twitter account is any indicator. The president is feeling a lot better. He was pretty silent on Twitter on Saturday, blessedly.


And then on Sunday night and Monday morning, he went wild on Twitter and started tweeting everything in. The world, apparently, President Trump was very frustrated with a lot of the media coverage, and so he had a conversation with Rudy Giuliani reported by The Daily Telegraph in which a Daily Telegraph columnist now has unveiled the comments. She I have a good update for you from Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor I spoke to in about an hour ago.


He just got off the phone from the president. Apparently, the president gave Giuliani the statement, quote, You can go and tell people I'm watching this coverage, which is basically saying he's taken a turn for the worse. I feel I could get out of here right now. But they're telling me there can always be a back step with this disease. I feel like I could go out and do a rally and president of the United States. I can't lock myself in the room.


Apparently, the president said I had to confront the virus so the American people stop being afraid of it so we could deal with it responsibly. Now, that could be the president's actual message coming out of this. There can be two dueling messages coming out of covid, assuming that Trump is fine, God willing. OK, message number one is going to be the one pushed by Democrats. He was irresponsible. His irresponsibility led him to be in rooms with people he should not have been in rooms with.


He did not protect himself and he did not protect others. And in fact, Chris Christie has said, for example, that during debate prep, Trump was not wearing a mask. He was within six feet of Chris Christie. And Chris Christie now has it. We now know that that Senator Thom Tillis has it. We know that Senator Mike Lee has it like a lot of people are in Trump's kind of immediate circle. Bill Stepien, the president's campaign manager, has it.


You know, that's going to be the narrative. His Trump was irresponsible. And so when Trump got it, it was just a sign of his irresponsibility, which, again, is completely at odds with the administration's actual activity uncovered. This is one of the great frustrations. It is a true frustration for me because here's the deal. Here's what Trump could have done back in March and April. What if President Trump said, you know what, lockdown's don't work.


Lockdown's are a bad idea? What prompted this? Like, total lockdowns are a bad idea because as we're going to see what's happening right now is the debate over Trump's health and his obtaining covid is now being telescoped, is being telescoped into the debate over broader lockdown's, which are going to reemerge as we enter the fall. What if Trump had said, listen, lockdown's are bad strategy, everybody should go back to work if they are healthy and they should wear masks and they should, socially decent people are capable of being responsible.


This is exactly the case I was making in April. Go back and listen to the show. I literally said Lockdown's are a bad idea and I trust people to be responsible and by and large, people are responsible. OK, but it's easier to make that case when you are not personally being kind of irresponsible. It became even more politically inept when he started doing these large rallies. I said at the time on the show over and over, as soon as the Democrats said that was morally admissible for free to go out and protest and shout in people's faces and spread covid as much as you want it.


So long as you were shouting about how the police were evil and America was racist. And George Floyd, as long as you were doing that, it was totally fine. Trump should have said, listen, I'm not doing rallies. I don't know why you guys are green lighting all this stuff. Whatever happens next is on you. I've said people should be responsible. You guys have engaged in pure irresponsibility, not only on a moral level by backing antipolice propaganda from the far left, but on a bet on a health level.


You're being irresponsible by saying it's totally fine to go out in the streets, millions of people doing it. Instead, Trump was like, well, you know, if they can do it, I can do it. Let's have some rallies. And then, of course, allow the media back in to say that Trump was being irresponsible. And because Trump is the anti lock down and then he got covid, the case is going to be made that Joe Biden, who is pro lockdown and has not had covid, has the right strategy here, even though, again, anecdotal evidence is not the basis of good policy, but that's how people are going to use it.


It was stupid. OK, I'm sorry, that was a stupid strategy, and that's not an argument for mass mandates. Again, my whole case is that people can be trusted responsibly to put on masks when the case loads are rising. You see this in L.A. where everybody is wearing a mask. You saw this, by the way, in Florida. And I was in Florida for three weeks during the uptick. And people were, in fact, wearing masks in widespread fashion in much maligned Florida, by the way, Florida, Texas, Georgia, all of them had a much, much lower second wave or first wave as the case maybe than New York had.


And New York is now having a bit of a second wave. It looks like they're uptaking into a second wave because when you lock down very harshly in constant fashion, you'll have a bump after the end of that lockdown. We'll get you more of the public policy ramifications of all this in just one second. Also, more kind of media craziness over all of this. First, let's talk about a truly meaningful gift that you can give to yourself or to your family.


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There are two ways in which Democrats are attempting to play this particular covid scenario into a broader political discussion when no one is there trying on a very practical level, to kill the bill for Amy CONI Barrett for the Supreme Court. Their goal is we have enough senators who've been infected. They need to stay home. If they're at home, they can't vote. OK, there's only one problem with this. The virus either runs its course or does not run its course.


Once it runs its course, that's usually like a 10 day period. The CDC says you're supposed to quarantine for 10 days. Once you are symptomatic, you typically are not transmitting the virus. Once are post symptomatic, might be doing some viral shedding, but it's not much. And there's not a lot of evidence that once you are symptomatic, you are really a grave threat to anybody else. Also, you're now immune. So, I mean, President Trump level, I think that there's a good shot that within three weeks you see president from bodysurfing the crowd.


Right, that he actually just goes to rallies and he's like, hey, yeah, just jumping out in the crowd, waving to people and being carried around on their shoulders. Eight of them. And it's. That's a possibility, but one of the things the Democrats are trying to do is kill the American vote, saying there are not enough Republicans available to vote because right now there have been several Republicans who've been affected. Mike Lee has that. Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin hasn't, and Senator Thom Tillis has it.


Well, recall you this Republicans right now have 53 votes in the Senate. Susan Collins of Maine has already said that she may or may not vote this way. And Murkowski says she's not going to vote this way. So you actually need all those people present in order to get Amy Makone there on the court. Democrats are praying that Republicans actually don't have the Skoda's votes. According to the Atlantic, suddenly Amy CONI Bear, it might not have the votes for the moment, covid-19 diagnoses have jeopardized three votes that Republicans can't afford to lose.


This, according to Russell Berman.


September 26 was a festive day for Republicans in Washington under overcast skies. President Donald Trump strode to a podium in the White House Rose Garden to introduce Judge Amy there as his nominee to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. A military band played Hail to the Chief and about 150 guests, including senior members of the Republican Party, the president's cabinet and the Senate, sat shoulder to shoulder and mostly without masks as they cheered for the nomination of a forty eight year old conservative to a lifetime seat.


The mood is upbeat, in part because Barrett appeared to have the votes for confirmation before the president even uttered her name just over a week later from the Rose Garden event suddenly seems far more ominous. The idea of a pre-election confirmation is in doubt. Would have been a celebration now appears in retrospect to have been a super spreading catastrophe. The president is hospitalized with covid-19 several infections of high ranking government and Republican Party officials have been plausibly linked to the event among those who have taken ill.


And the chair of the RNC, Ronna McDaniel, the president's campaign manager, Bill Stepien, the current and former Trump advisers, Hope Hicks and Kellyanne Conway and the president of the University of Notre Dame, John Jenkins. The coronavirus cases that could be the most problematic are likely. Thom Tillis and Ron Johnson Lelantos both serve on the Judiciary Committee. They could, of course, have Zoome sessions and they probably will. Republicans have a 53 47 majority. Two of the members have said they oppose holding a vote to confirm a SCOTUS justice before the election.


The Senate isn't expected to hold a final vote until the end of the month. But if these three senators can show up, Republicans would not have the votes. It's also possible that more Republican senators will come down with the virus in the next few days. Apparently, everybody is basically going to quarantine for the next week or so. This is exactly what Democrats are desperately, desperately hoping for. They've been looking for some sort of miracle to happen. And and like Hans Gruber, they may get the miracle that they want.


Chuck Schumer could barely conceal his glee a little bit earlier over the weekend. As he says, the President Trump put a lot of people at risk. And also, by the way, maybe we shouldn't vote on Amy Koni Barrett.


We need full transparency. We all know the president's cavalier attitude towards covid, towards mask's, towards social distancing has endangered many people, including himself, as again, this picture shows. But it happened over and over and over again. So now, at the very minimum, we need full transparency. We need to know exactly the level of the president's health.


OK, but is it really about that or is it really about the political gain? Well, color me skeptical that it's about the actual human problems of covid-19 here, especially when the Atlantic on the same day they're running pieces talking about how the vote for any candidate could be in doubt, ran another piece by CUENTA Wreckage, a contributing writer at The Atlantic and managing editor of Lawfare, and Susan Hennessey, an executive editor of Lawfare, called the Reckless Race to confirm Amy CONI Barack justifies court packing.


They say we used to reject court packing as a dangerous game. Now we believe it may be the best way to restore the court's legitimacy. Shocker. They've now flipped and they say that it is now time to just toss justices willy nilly onto the Supreme Court. Very exciting stuff. So it feels as though they have a pre-existing narrative here and now they're just looking for an excuse to fulfill it. OK, so negative. No one from the Democrats is there aren't going to be enough votes in the Senate or even if there are, people are going to be sick.


And so we shouldn't hold hearings. And so just conveniently, Amy Barrett shouldn't make it on the court. Mitch McConnell is not going to listen to that. Amy Barrett will end up on the court. Then there is the second narrative that is being promulgated, and that narrative is more damaging to Trump. That narrative is, again, he was not particularly careful. Republicans have not been particularly careful. And so when they say that you can be trusted, they can't even be trusted.


So why should you be trusted? Therefore, lockdown's and if there are continued lockdown's from now until the end of the election or from now until January or from now until February, the economy is just going to sked. It is just going to go off the rails. Had an economic report last week. It showed that there are some six hundred and forty four thousand jobs added nationwide. That's not bad, but it's great. It's not like the recovery is just doing amazing.


It turns out that we are seeing the recovery stall out for a wide variety of industries, including the airline industry and the and the theater industry. Regal Cinemas is now suspending operations at all US locations. According to The Wall Street Journal, they are the second largest cinema chain in the United States. They're closing every one of its locations nationwide after reopening in August. That followed a cascade of postponements for big budget Hollywood films, most recently the new James Bond movie, the studio behind the film, the MGM Holdings, said Friday it was delaying the film for the second time to next April from this November.


It had originally been scheduled for release in April of this year. So they said that they don't have enough movies. Meanwhile, you saw Disney Disneyland cut like twenty eight thousand jobs. You saw that the airline industry was cutting tens of thousands of jobs, according to the National Association of Theater Owners, if status quo continues, 69 percent of small and midsize movie theater companies will be forced to file for bankruptcy or to close permanently. So these lockdowns do have severe consequences, not just for obvious industries like the theater industry, where you are packed tightly into small areas in confined spaces with air conditioning and ventilation.


But. The airline industry, which has similar conditions, the restaurant industry where you're going to see huge numbers of small businesses go under. So as we hit the supposin second wave season, right. As we hit the cold season, the flu season at the end of the year, as people begin to go indoors because it's too cold outside in the northeast, there's going to be widespread debate over what is the proper policy to take. And with Republic, with Trump having gotten covered with Ron Johnson, for example, having gotten covid and then apparently Senator Johnson, who you know, I know Senator Johnson a little bit personally, very, very nice guy.


But apparently he went to an October party while he was waiting his covid-19 test results. Not kidding. Apparently, according to The Daily Beast, he didn't reveal his diagnosis until Saturday. He apparently chose to attend this bash on Friday evening, evening, even though he knew that Trump and many of his inner circle had tested positive for covid-19. There's also talk about when Trump knew that he was sick. He knew that Topix apparently was sick on Wednesday and then he went to a fundraiser.


Anyway, Johnson said that he only took his mask off when it was time to address the crowd. He also insisted he was at least 12 feet from anybody during his speech at the event, which was sponsored by the Ozaukee County Republican Party. He said, I feel fine, I feel completely normal, he said he didn't stick around to mingle at the dinner. OK, so these sorts of stories don't look good for the anti lockdown advocates. OK, they don't because, again, the case for a.


lockdown is we can all act in responsible fashion and we can go back to work. These things are not only mutually not exclusive, they're mutually necessary responsibility and ending lockdown. Both of these things should happen in tandem. That is the case. But the Democrats are fully invested, in many cases in full scale lockdown, including in places like New York. So New York is now seeing a little bit of an uptick. New York City over the over the past several days has seen an uptick in a number of diagnosed covid cases.


So maybe a couple of weeks ago in all of New York City, they were seeing something like 500 cases, 800 cases. If you go back to mid-September, they were seeing at the at their peaks something like 900 cases, 860 cases, 880 cases. Well, over the weekend, they jumped to seventeen one hundred and thirty one cases. So this has led to talk of New York City adopting restrictions in harder hit areas. According to The New York Times, for many weeks, public health officials had expressed concern that a second wave of the coronavirus would hit New York City, which until recently had achieved striking success and beating back the outbreak after a devastating spread that left more than twenty thousand residents dead on Sunday with those fears growing.


Mayor Bill de Blasio announced an emergency crackdown, saying he intended to impose new restrictions in 20 hotspots in Brooklyn and Queens that have been experiencing rising positivity rates. The plan is a major setback for New York City, amounting to the first significant reversal in the reopening and offering further evidence of the challenges in curbing the pandemic. The city over the last month had taken several strides forward, allowing indoor dining for the first time, becoming the first major school district in the country to bring back children into its public schools.


But under the new restrictions, de Blasio would close every school, public and private, in nine of the city's one hundred and forty six zip codes, as well as all non-essential businesses. Indoor and outdoor dining in restaurants in those areas will not be allowed, even outdoor dining. Right now, we are back to full scale lockdown under Bill de Blasio. Now, even as a person, I happen to be pretty covid cautious right now. Parents who are sixty four, you know this when I was sheltering, I literally shelter in place for several months there with my parents because I did not want to I didn't want them to risk their health.


Even today, when my parents are over with us, we tend to be outdoors. When we are indoors, my parents wear masks, they wear masks around my kids. I tend to be much more covid cautious than some of the people who are on the right. But even I believe that it is nuts to ban, for example, outdoor dining. Outdoor dining is not a chief vector of transmission schools, particularly for people who are under the age of 10.


Right. For small children, these are not a cheap factor of transmission. It's one thing to talk about closing middle schools or high schools. Once kids have a more mature immune system, apparently they can now pass it to people because their bodies act like adult bodies. But if you're doing about five year olds, they are not apparently passing this in anywhere near the same numbers. And if they do get it, they're not really getting supremely sick according to these statistics.


OK, I can quote you all of the CDC statistics doesn't mean the risk is zero. It does mean that the risk is relatively lower. And the schools have been open in Europe for a long time without them becoming a vector of transmission. De Blasio said today, unfortunately, is not a day for celebration, today is a more difficult day. The nine areas have large populations of Orthodox Jews, communities where the virus have been spreading rapidly and where public health officials have struggled to persuade many residents to adhere to guidelines on mass clearing and social distancing.


Those areas all have had positivity rates in recent days more than three percent, some as high as eight percent, in contrast to the city's overall rate of one point five percent. The reason for that, presumably, is because in a lot of these Orthodox areas, it is the time of the year where you go to school a lot, right? You end up going for Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur. These are the big communal days, Sukkot, the high holidays and the high holy days holidays, that this is the time of year when people tend to get together in close quarters.


It's a big problem in Israel. This is why they've had military lockdown, particularly in religious areas. I think it is worth noting. I do. I think it is worth noting right here that the media's treatment of Orthodox Jews and other racial groups is quite disparate. Have you noticed that whenever there's a spiking rate and it happens among black communities where it happens in Hispanic communities, the answer is sheer American racism, brutal American racism, not not spiking deaths right now, spiking deaths where you could theoretically talk about differentials in medical care, although even there you're seeing those spiking rates of death, very bi racial group, ethnic group in Europe as well.


You're seeing it in Canada. It's very doubtful that America's racist medical system is really the problem here.


OK, but even when there is a spike in cases in the black community or in the Hispanic community, the media will chalk it up to endemic American discrimination and racism and evil. When there is a spike in rates in the Orthodox Jewish community in New York, it is because they are refusing to obey mass guidelines and they are going in enclosed areas and then spitting on each other. So, by the way, I tend to think that the second one is true, meaning that when you have a heavy spread in a particular community, you might want to look at the activity of the particular community as opposed to differentiating the communities based one on the behavior of the community, and two, based on the evils of the American system.


Just going to note the media bias there, right? If there's a heavy uptick in urban Chicago in a heavily black urban Chicago, then it must be because America is a racist place. If there's a heavy uptick in Borough Park in New York, then it must be because of those terrible Jews are out there spitting on each other and just notice noticing the disparate treatment right here. Apparently, reactions to the restrictions began to emerge from Jewish leaders on Sunday evening after celebrations of Sukkot ended at least the first couple of days.


David Greenfield, who represented Borough Park on the city council until 2017, he said, I think it's unfortunate New York City continues to single out a couple of Hasidic Jewish neighborhoods where there are now 20 neighborhoods with serious spikes. Many of the 20 zip codes the cities focusing on do have sizable numbers of residents who are not Jewish. The new restrictions could increase tensions between them and the Orthodox Jews. Most of the schools set to close our non-public schools largely showboat that have been open for weeks.


About 200 private schools will close, as well as 100 public schools as well. So as New York looks to close down again as more and more blue areas look to close down again, they're going to look at President Trump. They're going to look at Ron Johnson. They're going to look at the Republicans and they're going to say, you guys said that people would be responsible and you couldn't even keep yourself from getting this thing. And you're inside the White House bubble.


So Trump could theoretically come out and say, right now, listen, I should have been more careful. I shouldn't I should have socially distanced. I you know, I'm in the upper age bracket. But he should also say, listen. If you are careful, no one, you'll lower your chance of getting it and having been through this, the vast, vast, vast majority of people who get it do live according to the CBC's best current estimates, if you are between the ages of zero and 19 years old, your chances of dying from this thing are extraordinarily remote, like the infection fatality ratio is point zero zero zero zero three.


If you are twenty to forty nine point zero zero zero two, if you are fifty to sixty nine, it is zero point zero zero five. Right, which means not five percent, nine point five percent put point five of a percent. Right, and if you're over the age of 70, then it's like five point four percent is your infection fatality ratio, which is still, you know, means that the ninety four percent of the people who get it above the age of 70 are going to live.


Now, once you get above the age of 80, then it starts to climb pretty precipitously. Trump could say all of that. He could say Lockdown's are ill advised, we can all be responsible. And I myself am now promoting that. We should all be responsible. We'll see if he does that. I have my doubts, but this has some pretty significant ramifications for the future of lockdown specifically over the next few months. Hey, it's not.


It's not wonderful and the media played right into it because the media are all in favor of lockdown, the media wish to foster a sense of chaos, and it is irresponsible for the administration to give that sort of fuel to people who are looking for that fuel to burn down a lot of elements of the free market system. Meanwhile, final note here. So I just have to point this out because the hypocrisy is so grand. So over the over the weekend, 60 Minutes covered territory, of course, is the woman who accuses Joe Biden of having sexually assaulted her back in the Senate in the early 1990s.


60 Minutes covered it in Australia, which makes sense because we have tons of American voters in Australia. So it really, really well done.


60 Minutes long before Joe Biden was a household name across America. And here is my desk. Tara Reid worked in his Senate office in the early 90s. In March this year, Reid came forward with what she said was the full story. By then, many in politics and the media were already questioning her version of events. It's an allegation that has received little coverage this election. And unlike Trump's accusers, Tara has received a barrage of scrutiny. Do you feel as though if Joe Biden wasn't Joe Biden, your allegations would be taken more seriously?




OK, so I'm glad that 60 Minutes saw fit to cover Tara Reid in Australia. Do you think that would be covering Donald Trump's accusers in Australia, but not domestically here in the United States? I didn't think so. OK, well, we'll be back here tomorrow with much, much more to make sure that you stay tuned for that. Also, make sure that you go subscribe of our daily Wired.com and use promo code at debate for 20 percent off, because we have all sorts of good stuff coming for you in the next few weeks.


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