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Civil rights hero John Lewis passes away. The media confidently explained that the United States has failed at fighting Corona virus. It's not quite that simple. And the media continue to ignore Chinese genocide. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

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They don't have to agree with all of John Lewis's priorities as a legislator recognized that he was indeed an American hero, that his role during the civil rights bill, his last living man who spoke at the Martin Luther King march on Washington, his role in the civil rights movement as an activist fighting for racial equality and for the rights of black Americans is unquestioned and good. Obviously, the late congressman's family announced his F with inconsolable grief and enduring sadness late Friday evening, according to a statement from NBC News.

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According to the statement, he was honored and respected as the conscience of the U.S. Congress and an icon of American history. But we knew him as a loving father and brother who's a stalwart champion in the ongoing struggle to demand respect for the dignity and worth of every human being. He dedicated his entire life to nonviolent activism and was an outspoken advocate in the struggle for equal justice in America. The son of sharecroppers, Lewis was drawn into the civil rights movement as a teenager participated in lunch counter sit ins in the early 1960s.

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By the way, those lunch counter sit ins were incredibly successful because essentially they helped shame corporations into opening up their lunch counters through actually nongovernmental means. He later became the youngest member of the Big Six. The colloquial name for the group of civil rights leader, including MLK, who organized the march on Washington. He received all sorts of bipartisan tribute. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell praised Lewis's civil rights work, talked about the humbling experience of joining hands with John as members and members of Congress and singing We Shall Overcome.

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At a 2008 ceremony honoring his friend, Dr. Martin Luther King, Junior President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump put out a statement. The Trump's Twitter account, obviously, he and Lud's were not on speaking terms. Lewis is certainly not a Trump fan, I believe boycotted the inauguration. But Trump put out a statement saying, saddened to hear the news of civil rights hero John Lewis passing. Malani and I send our prayers to him and his family. Vice President Pence considered Lewis a colleague and a friend, said he was unfailingly kind and that his, quote, selflessness and conviction rendered our nation into a more perfect union.

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His example will inspire generations of Americans. And President Obama said that he, quote, love this country so much he risked his life in his blood so it might live up to its promise. And through the decades, he not only gave all of himself to the cause of freedom of justice, but inspired generations that follow to try to live up to his example. He is part of the shared history that we all have as Americans, and the country is lesser for the loss of John Lewis.

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That does bring us to a Fox News poll. There's a Fox News poll out today. And this is not about President Trump. This is about our shared values. I have a book coming out tomorrow called How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps. Right now, it's ranked in the top three over at Amazon. I think the reason for that is because there are a lot of questions about whether we can hold together as a country in order for us to hold together as a country.

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We have to share some common values. Those values are the values of the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal regardless of race. We all have equal rights before the law that we have rights. The pre-exist government, that government was created in order to protect all of those rights. What you see from the civil rights movement heroes is that these are folks who are invoking the promises of the Declaration of Independence, who are invoking the promissory note is the language Martin Luther King Junior invoking the promissory note is the language of Frederick Douglass suggesting that those values were not only useful but eternal and universal, and that the failure of the United States was to live up to its own values.

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And the story of American history is the progress toward the fulfillment of the values expressed in the Declaration of Independence. Indeed, what makes the founders heroes rather than villains is the fact that they helped the world progress away from values that stood against those universal enlightenment values and those values that all men are created equal, that we have liberty. The pre-exist government, those values are good. The failure of our education system, the failure of our media, the failure of our elites to reincorporate this message means that the country is on the verge of falling apart.

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And that's what you are seeing in the streets today. What you're seeing is a whole group of. Young Americans, minority Americans who have been taught that the American dream is actually a lie. The 16 19 project, which is a pseudo history dedicated to the proposition that America is inherently evil and that pseudo history has become the mainstream history and so many of our institutions. And you can see the gaps in terms of age and race on these questions. I mean, listen, you can understand why if you're a black American, you looked at American history, which is replete with Jim Crow and and slavery.

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You would look at America's founders skeptically. But that's missing the story. The story is that the founding fathers moved America away from a system of slavery and toward a system of freedom that it was indeed the civil rights leaders who saw in the promises of the declaration the lever by which they could move the country forward away from the brutality of bigotry and toward tolerance. The story of America is the story of 1776. It is not the story of 60 19.

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But that's not the story that's been promulgated to America's young people. And it's not the story that's been promulgated to black Americans and Hispanic Americans, particularly about these poll numbers. Maybe that's it. And that's a problem, that's our problem. Black Americans or Hispanic Americans are young people. It's a problem with our system that has failed to teach people the truth about American history and about American values. Because conservatives abandoned the institutional fight and instead went toward the political because too many Americans have a traditionally unionist view, as I call it in my book, have attritional unionist view, meaning we want to hold together over our history and our philosophy and our culture.

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They abandoned the halls of education, they banned in the halls media, the halls of Hollywood, and instead they focused in on winning political victories as sort of a last gasp attempt to stop the march of the cultural left. And that's been a failure. You can look at these numbers. So here is the question. According to a Fox News poll that is out today in general, do you believe the founders of our country are better described as villains or heroes?

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Total 15 percent of Americans believe that the founders were villains. Sixty three percent believe that the founders were heroes. 15 percent said it depends. Seven percent said they don't know. That means fully almost four in 10 Americans don't know or disagree that the founders were heroes. Founders were heroes. Were they flawed? Absolutely. Did they commit acts of great evil that were commonplace at the time? By the way? Yes, absolutely. Does that mean that the evil is minimized?

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No. What does it mean? It means that when we look at the contributions of the founders, we are not looking at them as slaveholders. We're looking at the values they espoused that led to the rise of the greatest, most free, most tolerant, most prosperous nation in the history of the world. The story of the founding fathers is not truly the story of slavery or evil. The story of the founding fathers is the Declaration of Independence. Slavery and evil are part of that because that's a universal human sin.

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But to look at America and see just the bad, which is the purpose of so many of the disintegration is in our society, is to misread the history. Yes, we should obviously look at the sins, the evils of American history as a corrective to a completely whitewashed version of American history. But the evil does not overcome the good. The story of humanity the world over is human sin and human flaw and human evil. The story of the American Revolution is the story of putting in place a system that would gradually, over time vitiate those sins.

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That's the story that needs to be told. So, look, that poll number that shows 63 percent of Americans think the founders were heroes as opposed to 37 percent who either don't know or don't think that they were heroes. It's pretty devastating. Poll means that a very close majority actually believe in the foundations of the country. And when you look at the demographic breakdown, it's even worse. Thirty nine percent of black Americans believe that the founders were villains.

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Only 31 percent believe that the founders were heroes. Sixteen percent said it depends. Fourteen percent said they don't know if a plurality of black Americans believe that the founders were villains. That's gonna be a problem for the future of the country, because if the founders were villains, then the values that they espoused are villainous values. And this is the perspective of the Nicole Hannah Joneses of the world. This is the perspective of the Robin Angelos of the world that America's system is in, in and of itself cruel and racist and vicious.

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Twenty six percent of Hispanic Americans believe the founders were villains. Forty four percent believe they were heroes. Twenty one percent say it depends. Eight percent say they don't know. So blacks and Hispanics, a plurality. At least will actually appear majority refused to say that the founders were heroes. By the way, this holds true for young Americans as well. And there's not just a racial thing. This is a failure of our educational system. If you look at Americans who are under the age of 45, 50 percent say heroes.

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Twenty three percent say villains. But if you will get under the age of 30, it gets worse under the age of 30. Only 31 31 percent of Americans under the age of 30 believe that the founders were villains. Only thirty nine percent say the founders were heroes. Which means over six in 10 young Americans under the age of 30. Over six in 10 believe that the founders. We're not heroes, which is just devastating for the future of the country.

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Again, if you're going to have a country, any country, not just America, any country that holds together, has to share a common set of values. They have to share a common history. Share a common culture. Now, the values, the history and the culture of the United States are embedded respectively in the Declaration of Independence, in the Constitution and our cultural institutions, institutions like church. Our education system. Our media values of entrepreneurial ism.

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Values of virtue. And in common history. And when we look at our history again, we have to acknowledge all the sins, we have to acknowledge all evils. But we have to recognize that American history is a glorious thing. It is a glorious story of overcoming those sins of human nature. Our inability to teach young people this, our inability to teach that the promise has been extended to minorities and that the story of America is the flaws of human beings failing to understand the reality and the truth of the founding principle and then the gradual realization of that principle that failure has deep and abiding consequences.

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And you can see those consequences in the streets today as violence continues, as the country overwhelmingly feels like it is falling apart. And that that feels right and it feels like it's fine. But lumpy people to blame Trump for the falling apart of the country. That is not right. These are long term trends.

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They've been, say, catalyzed by President Trump's election because there is a feeling among members of the left that they'd captured the Democratic Party and that they could gradually move the Democratic Party toward their goal, which was the dissolution of the system over time, and they would never lose again. Then when President Trump won, it was like a shock to the system. They couldn't take it. And so that is catalyzed so much of the opposition and so much of the rage that we are seeing right now is what does that mean?

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It means that if Trump loses and presumably a lot of the rage in opposition will be integrated back into the Democratic Party is as opposed to being sort of outside the system more generally. But it doesn't mean that the overall threat to the American system is gone. It just means that it goes back underground into the halls of the Democratic Party, where the battle really rages. You saw this during the Obama administration when the sort of roots of the AOC squad versus the the Nancy Pelosi, quote unquote, traditionalists started to build or that broke out into the open after Trump's election.

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They could see that it was building a lot earlier than that mean the Ferguson riots were happening. Dühring, Barack Obama's presidency. So obviously, there was this this outraged belief by a huge number of Americans that America was endemically wrong and bad and evil. They may have used the Democratic Party as a vehicle for expressing those values in terms of politics, but they've been generally unsatisfied with that over time, which is why, again, there was so much, I think, resistance to Hillary Clinton's nominee, why Bernie Sanders is so successful despite the fact that he's an octogenarian communist or May because of the fact that he's an octogenarian communist.

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Bottom line is this. If we don't run cocaine, our values, America is going to fail. If we do not reinfiltrate the values of America's founding. America is going to fail. And it's there's no excuse for that. We are the freest, most prosperous, most tolerant country in the history of the world. The fact that now may not have been true historically, it is certainly true now. The idea that America ought to be living on razor's edge at this point in time is patently absurd, except for the fact that we've undermined all of the values that we share.

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Now, I don't mean for that to be a book pitch, but essentially it should go check out my book, How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps. It comes out tomorrow. It is available over at Amazon.com as well as everywhere else that you buy books. Go check it out right now. In just a second, when you get to your Cobbett at 19 updates. First, we're home more than usual these days, but it's still hard to keep a close eye on things.

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There's an uptick in Colorado now. There's an uptick in Puerto Rico. There's an uptick in Rhode Island. Right. You're seeing a rise in cases that is happening essentially across the country. You're also seeing a sort of flattening out in the death rate, at least at this point. What we have seen on a down day level is that we're hovering around a thousand deaths today, some from 800 to 1000 deaths today over the last few days, none of which is good.

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I mean, these are all bad numbers, obviously. But what it does suggest is maybe we're starting to see a flattening out. We're certainly starting to see a flattening out in terms of the hospitalization rate in places like Arizona and Texas. Unclear whether that is happening in Florida, although there are early indicators that may be happening in Florida. The real issue here, as I discussed last week, is there may not be any great answers here. Now, I know the media want to promulgate this notion that there are basically two answers to this and two answers.

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Only one is mandatory masking, masking. And the second is Lockdown's media loves lecterns. I mean, they really love Lockdown's. And the idea behind this is that if you want to prevent the spread of the disease, you have to keep people cooped up in their homes. Now, the problem is that that's not national solution. And we all know this. This is not something that can last interminably. The Europeans know this. Israelis know this. Everyone all over the world is trying to figure out how they can reopen and when they can reopen and how much spread they can allow when they do reopen.

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The lockdown's were never meant to crush the curve. And this is a new phrase. Remember, it was flat in the curve before. Right. You remember flattening curve, flatten the curve is all sorts of phoners, 15 days to stop the spread. And you had giant spike and then you had the lesser spike. And it was going to drop a quick chart for you right here. You can see this line here represented medical capacity and these other big, big wave over here.

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And this is when you wanted to avoid that, because everything that was in this shaded area was going to the excess death. The medical system was not going to be able to integrate these folks in. These people were going to die. That what we were looking for instead was a broader, longer curve. Right? The brighter, longer curve. That meant there were still to be a lot of cases. But it also meant that fewer people were going to die.

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Now, what's been weird about this is now we are talking about crushing the curve. So the idea about crushing the curve is that in order to prevent all transmission of the disease forever, we should just stay home forever. Now, that has never been a solution. That's never been a solution. The full lockdown policy has not been a solution to the real question is, are we threatening the system? And if we are threatening the system, then what you're going to have to have are sort of intermittent, letting people out and putting people back in.

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And this is what we. Again, this is nothing new. This is what the quote unquote experts were saying at the very beginning. They were saying they're gonna be alternating policies of sort of quasi lockdown and half lockdown and freedom. And we're going to have to vary it based on county is what the experts were saying. And then when that happens, the entire media suggest, oh, my God, we're all going to die. Oh, my God, we're doing it wrong.

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You know who's really doing it wrong? Those red states. And then you look at the numbers and what you see is the blue states are getting hit, too. Colorado is getting hit, too. California is getting smoked right now. Now, I live in L.A. County. L.A. County is looking at another lockdown right now, not just another lock. And they're looking at a staff full stay at home order that Eric Garcetti says the Corona virus is spreading in the city to the point where a new stay at home order might have to be issued.

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He said we're on the brink of that. He said this on CNN. He declined to be more specific. He said we have to be surgical rather than a cleaver that would just shut everything down. He said he agreed earlier restrictions had been relaxed too quickly. He said mayors often have no control over what reopens up and what doesn't. That's either at a state or a county level. But he added, it's not just about what's open and closed.

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It's also about what we do individually. Okay, let's be real about this. Ellen never opened again. I've been here. I did not open. And there was a mild, mild reopening and then it sort of clamped shut again. So the notion that lockdowns are the answer to this thing in the long term or even the midterm is just not right. Meanwhile, the sort of red, blue gap that supposedly exists, it doesn't really exist, you're seeing an uptick in cases in places like Colorado.

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You're not seeing it to the extent that you've seen it in places like Florida or Texas. But that's because it's not as hot in Colorado right now. But you are seeing an uptick in Colorado. That's because Colorado opened at the same time as Georgia. One of the reasons that you've seen an uptick across the south is because the hotter it gets. By the way, I expect that because there's been a heat wave in places like Washington, D.C., you'll see an uptick there, too, because of the heat.

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People are being driven inside two air conditioned closed areas. And this means that you're seeing a spike in cases. None of this should be surprising. It's not supremely surprising. But again, we moved from flat in the curve to avoid spiking over the health care capacity to crush the curve, which supposedly means they are just supposed to stay home forever. Well, that's not going to work. I know, like this notion that this was ever going to be a consistent policy, that as we reopen gradually, there would be no setbacks along the way.

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I don't know where this came from. I seriously don't know where it came from. So the NIH director yesterday, he said, well, the big problem here is Dr. Francis Collins is that state's jumped over the CDC recommendations that they moved too fast here. Or alternatively, whenever you let people out of home confinement, there's going to be a spread in cases. I literally said this every day for months. That the only purpose here was to allow us some time to buy us some time to allow the medical system to get better at this.

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And good news, the medical system did get better at this. The rate of ice he used to hospitalizations is down. The rate of deaths to icy use is down. Younger people are getting this, which you don't want anybody getting this, but younger people getting it is a lot better than older people getting it. And even when people are getting it, we now have better treatments. We know things we didn't know at the very beginning. Simple things like flipping people on to their stomach can sometimes help prevent putting them on a ventilator.

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But here is the NIH director saying the big problem is that states jumped over CDC recommendations. Listen, when you're a government actor, I understand the incentive structure. The incentive structure is to always say people who weren't cautious enough. And that's why all this happened. Here's the reality. What happened here was, by all indicators, fairly inevitable. It has happened in every single state, every single one without regard to politics. The only states that have not seen a major uptick are states where there are no people.

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Hey, Alaska has not seen an uptick because there were no people. Maine has not seen a significant uptick because there are no people. Wyoming has not seen a significant uptick because there are no people where there are lots of people. There is lots of spread. And when you reopen, there's gonna be a lot more spread. And that was never the question. Again, the question was not. Are people going to get it? The question was, is going to swamp the health care system.

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So far, we've seen no indicators that the health care system has been completely swamped. In fact, as we've said, hospitalization rates are going down. ICU rates are going down. Death rates have been going down since their peak. When we talk about how Texas and Florida, there's a new New York. No, they're not even close to the new New York. New York was losing like a thousand people a day. Texas and Florida, as bad as they have been or losing like one hundred and thirty hundred forty people day.

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That's terrible. That is not New York rates. Anyway, here's the NIH director saying the big problem here is the people opened up too early, even though, by the way, many of these states opened up in early May. We didn't see a spike in terms of case rate until like mid-June, like approximately two weeks after those mass protest in the streets. You remember. Here's the CIA. Here is the the NIH director. We basically did a good job in New York and New Jersey and Connecticut with that terrible crisis that happened and took many lives.

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And if you look to see what's happening now in those areas, they came down very close to zero. But meanwhile, the rest of the country, perhaps imagining this was just a New York problem, kind of went about their business, didn't really pay that much attention to CDC, these recommendations about the phases necessary to open up safely and jumped over some of those hoops and people started congregating and not wearing masks and feeling like it's over and maybe summer it'll all go away.

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And now here we are.

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I, frankly, cannot believe that America's public officials are talking up New York. It is unbelievable to me. It's like talking of Italy. How in the world are you talking up the area, the country that got smoked? New Jersey and New York and Connecticut got brutalized. Approximately 37 percent of all deaths in the United States, including 19, happened in those three those three states alone, they represent six percent of the American population. That is nuts to talk up those states.

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Look at what they did. New York, New Jersey, Connecticut. They really handled that bleep. Did they, though, by the way, does the exact same thing that Anthony Foushee said? And then you asked me to trust the experts. Listen, I'm happy to listen to the experts when they say blatant bullshit. Let's he Blayton bullcrap. I'm having a tough time believing them. OK. Again, the death rates per million, the state with the worst death rates per million are in order.

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New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, followed by Massachusetts, Rhode Island and District of Columbia. All of those areas did exactly what the CDC and the NIH said they should and they got smoked. So the idea that they've now conquered this thing. No. What happened in New York, New Jersey, the reason they're not seeing an uptick right now is because everyone's dead. Anyway, here's Anthony Falchi again. I don't like what's going through his head that he is that he's praising New York's responses.

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I just don't get it. We have a problem, we need to admit it and own it, but we've got to do the things that are very clear that we need to do to turn this around. Remembering we can do it. We know that when you do it properly, you bring down those cases. We've done it. We've done it in New York. New York got hit worse than any place in the world. And they did it correctly.

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They did it correctly. How did they do it correctly? Everyone died. What? What? Okay, we will get to more of this in a second. You wonder why we can't have unity, why we can't have nice things. We can have nice things because our experts are telling us stupid stuff like. I'm sorry. That's dumb. That's just dumb. OK. I've been and I've been a Falchi defender. I've been saying he's doing he's doing the best he can.

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He's operating off the best info when you just spill blatant crap into the public. Like New York did it, right. I don't know what to tell you. OK, that's just obviously not true by every available metric. That's not true. Going to get to more of this in just one second. First, as we slowly adjust to the new normal, we still need to be smart about how we do business. One of those things means why are you wasting time and energy going to the post office instead head on over to Stamps.com Stamps.com?

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Shapiro. OK, so again, the media have come up with this narrative. This narrative is there are two basic strategies that can be used with regard to Corona virus. One is you lock everything down or we're gonna help you. And two is masking. Again, I am I am put off by the fact that people who are promoting Lockdown's right now are simultaneously saying and again, that is Anthony Valtteri, the head of the National Institute for Infectious and Allergic and Infectious Diseases, and the NIH director both touting New York as an example of what to do.

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I don't know how that's possible. I really don't know how that's possible. Anthony Quinn, Andrew Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo. He did not. The governor of New York. He did not shut down the subways until the beginning of May, Kate. And cleanse. He can clean them until the beginning of May. Take a look. Even overnight, you didn't clean them. He was shipping elders with Kovik back into nursing homes for months. Like, how how is that the example of what you are doing, right?

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OK, so the other angle that is being used here is that masking is the be all end all. Now, listen, I wear a mask. In fact, I insist that everybody in my immediate vicinity at the office wear a mask. And I take this stuff very seriously that the evidence on mask whirring is mixed. Let's be frank about this. Dr. Scott Allison Hoover Institute from Stanford University. He has said the evidence is mixed. The CDC says the evidence is mixed.

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W Cho says the evidence is mixed. Now, if there is the chance that is going to lower the the rates of transmission than out of an abundance of caution, I recommend masking. So I've never been an opponent of masking. I've never thought it was a grave infringement on my liberty to ask me to mask up when I go into a highly crowded area. I've always thought, OK. Seems like a cautious and well taken step. But the notion that masking is the be all end all and this is simply become the Bjelland all because Trump refused to mask.

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I mean, really is that if Trump had not said anything, Trump had come out early and hinted, you know, it's a good idea. I'm asking this would not be an issue. But the media were looking for points of political polarization. Now, here's the problem. The data do not back the idea that tons of Americans are wildly, wildly anti. I'm asking. There are some Americans who are wildly ontime asking. But by and large, in the areas where there are the most cases, people are overwhelmingly masking.

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I pointed this out on Twitter over the weekend. People went nuts. I pointed out that if you look at them, the areas of the country where the highest levels of infection, those are also the areas where there are the highest levels of masking. Now, people on the left immediately refuse to read my follow up tweets in the thread, which pointed out that I was not saying that masks don't stop the spread of disease. I was pointing out merely that where people are seeing infections, they are masking.

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So the idea that people are being overwhelmingly willy nilly stupid and just going out with their tons of infections like in Miami not wearing masks is really dumb. I was in Florida for a couple of weeks. People were masked up as things were happening in Miami. Everybody was wearing a mask in L.A. and rumors mask the the basic idea the media put out there, though, is that this is just a failure of masking out. There are a couple of flaws in this sort of thinking.

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And so here is a poll. It was put out by The New York Times, and it shows by percentage how often people from different places say they wear a mask when they leave the house. And here's what it shows. In the Philippines, 92 percent of people say that they always wear a mask when they leave the house, always in Mexico, which is just getting smoked right now. Mexico's numbers are awful. One of the reasons that we're seeing a spike in border counties and there is there's a massive spike in border counties.

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Even The New York Times have been forced to now pay attention to this vulnerable border. Counties are now being overwhelmed with new cases. The reason for this is because some people are crossing the border illegally and because if somebody crosses the border from highly hit Mexico into a border town, it spreads more easily. In the Rio Grande Valley. More than a third of families, according to the LA Times, live in poverty. Up to half the residents have no health insurance, including at least one hundred thousand undocumented people who often rely on under-resourced community clinics or emergency rooms for care.

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Places like the southernmost wedge of Texas are seeing a punishing surge in infections. OK, so Mexico is actually serious property seen in Arizona as well. That Texas and Arizona are getting hard hit, particularly in the border counties. But Mexico go back to the chart showing the masking rate, Mexico. Eighty five percent of people in Mexico say they always wear a mask when they leave the house. In Spain, which got devastated. Eighty four percent of people say they wear a mask when they leave the house.

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So there is this basic idea out there that masking equals really low rates of death. And then people look at Hong Kong, which, by the way, is experiencing another surge. Actually, the the Hong Kong government just announced that they are going to mandate mask. It's not just voluntarily more than the mandate masks and they're gonna go back into lockdown because Hong Kong has seen a surge in cases. Now, the surgeon case in Hong Kong is like 100 cases as opposed to, you know, 70000 in the United States.

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But for Hong Kong, which never experienced a major hit. That's a pretty major. Like they said, basically it's spreading out of control. We can't contact tracing anymore, is what they were saying over the weekend over in Hong Kong. But you can see the differential case of Spain, their death per million, right? The death per million rate in Spain. Four million population is six hundred and eight, which is significantly higher than that of the United States.

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I believe we're in the middle for hundreds death per million, right. Eighty four percent of population of Spain says they ask. Eighty three percent of the population of Hong Kong says they may ask. The Hong Kong death rate is two per one million, too. So there's a pretty wild differential there. So if you're looking at independent variables, masking doesn't seem to be the most obvious and append a variable. Italy, right where everybody got wiped out.

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Eighty three percent. The population says they mask Germany, where they really didn't get very hard hit. Sixty three percent of the population says that they ask the United States, by the way. Fifty nine percent of Americans say they ask every time they go out of the house. Now, this is all self reported. So who knows if it's true? Self reporting, social science data is usually the worst. But fifty nine percent of Americans say they always mask, as opposed to 14 percent who say they never mask.

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And now let's look at some of the other countries on this list. Four percent of people in Norway say they always mask zero percent, effectively zero percent in Denmark, Finland and Sweden say they ask when they go out of the house. Nine percent in the Netherlands, 10 percent in Australia, 19 percent in the UK, 35 percent in Canada. So keep her in Canada. Did this right? Canada's doing it right. OK. But Canada's not asking.

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So what's the deal?

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France, 54 percent say they ask as opposed to fifty nine percent in the United States. And yet what we keep hearing is masking, masking, masking. Again, this is mostly because President Trump has not been so active on the masking front, which, again, I think out of an abundance of caution, you may ask, but the the very weird notion that America is not masking like there's not a lot of data to demonstrate this. I'm looking at the map right now from The New York Times.

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That shows how often do you wear a mask in public when you expect to be within six feet of another person in all of the hotspots. The numbers are in excess of 80 percent of people. Well, it's certainly in excess. Seventy five percent of people say that they always wear a mask when they are with other people and nearly everyone else has frequently. Very few people say rarely or never came. But the myriad of the media is that there are only two things that can shut this down, lock down, which is never gonna be a long term solution, and masking which most people in America are adopting.

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And yet the thing is still spreading. Why? Well, there are a few reasons. There are a few reasons. One, community spread never stopped. America's a very big country because America is a very big, very populous country. It looks a lot more in urban areas like Italy or New York than it does like Vermont. That's number one. Or like Maine. Number two, the strain that hit the United States is the European strain, not the Asian strain.

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So comparing what's happening in Vietnam or Hong Kong or Taiwan to what's happening in the United States, not actually accurate. It's a different strain. The Chinese virus went to Europe there. It mutated. It became about 10 times as transmissible. And that's what's been hitting the United States. Now, the good news is it seems like it was a lot less deadly than the version that was hitting Asia. The bad news is that it's it's less deadly and more transmissible.

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You can still end up with a higher number of absolute deaths. But the way the media are pitching is that the United States is blowing this, there's a long article in The Washington Post today about how the United States is blowing this. And apparently they say we came out too early and we didn't wear masks. Again, we are masking better than most European countries. European countries that are asking better than we are have a higher death rate in many cases.

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And when it comes, I mean, these are just pure statistical fact. We are testing more than any other country by a huge margin, an enormous margin. So we talk about the number of share cases being detected. President Trump would be wrong if he suggests that the tests themselves are are basically the reason why we see skyrocketing cases. We see skyrocketing cases because they are skyrocketing cases. But. He is right when he says that we are seeing numbers like actual confirm numbers because we're doing more testing, that is true, obviously.

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Again, that doesn't mean that the spread is false. It just means that we are seeing the spread more clearly than a lot of other countries. We're doing more testing. We opened up at the same time as a lot of European countries. We are handling this pretty well in the hospitals and MASC scoring is generally being adopted. But the media's narrative is that we are uniquely defenseless. We blew this in a way nobody else blew this. Here was Chuck Todd yesterday suggesting the United States is uniquely defenseless against the virus.

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Again, I'm looking at the death rates per million, OK? This is from World Ominous. I'm looking at death rates per million. And the death rates per million across the world, the United States is not number one. The United States currently ranks number 10 after Belgium. San Marino, Andorra, U.K., Spain, Italy, Sweden, France and Chile. So the United States ranks number 10. Brazil is close on our heels in number twelve.

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The Netherlands is at number 13. Mexico is close on our heels in number 16. The United States is not, in fact, uniquely defenseless against the spread. The United States is struggling with it, just like pretty much everywhere else that had community spread without heavy testing and tracing the very beginning. I think we should actually distinguish between nations that never got hit hard. I didn't have a key number of early cases and got on it early. And nations where it already spread so widely, there was communities spread before you could even do testing and tracing.

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Anyway, here is Chuck Todd pushing this notion that America has handled this uniquely badly. And again, the evidence does not suggest that this is true.

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How did this happen? We are the richest country in human history with an unmatched medical infrastructure and a literate, educated populace. Yet today we stand uniquely helpless among industrialized countries in the fight against Koven, 19, a world that once looked up to us to do the impossible. Now averts his eyes over our failure to do the possible OK again.

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I'm just wondering what he thinks the possible looks like when we have locked down virtually every part of the country for long periods of time. And most people are asking the national now ask mandate from the Congress. I'd like to see Nancy Pelosi promote it, do it. Let's see if we can get away with this constitutionally. It's. Most people are adopting smart behaviors just that, by the way, before lockdown, people lockdown it, people are generally acting in self-interested fashion.

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The lockdowns help slow the spread, which is what they supposed to do. They were never full on answer. But this is the narrative, the narrative is that the United States has blown in every way except for the Democratic areas, which have done incredibly well, like New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, which is just a joke. And that is that is not correct. How this thing got political as opposed to everybody is struggling with the right answers in an unprecedented time.

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I it it's pretty obvious that all we are seeing right now with Calvet is just sort of the final iteration of a country's dissolution. It seems like that is that is really what is happening here. Hopefully with the help of God, it is not, you know, the final period of the American epic. I don't think it is, but it certainly feels that way when it can't even get our bleep together on recognizing decent intent for most people when it comes to trying to handle a global pandemic, which, by the way, is again rising in many areas that are not the United States.

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There's a piece in The New York Times today called I Won't Return to the Classroom and you shouldn't ask me to buy Rebecca Martinsen. I looked at Miss Martinsen. She appears to be. It's hard to judge people's appearance as she appears to be in her 40s. Probably she does not look like she is in her 60s or 70s, which means that she's at higher risk of covered. But she's not a severe risk of death from carbon. She says that she doesn't want to go back to work.

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She's a public school teacher. She says, every day when I walk into work as a public school teacher, I'm prepared to take a bullet to save a child in the age of school shootings. That's what the job requires. But asking me to return to the classroom amid a pandemic and expose myself and my family to cover 19 is like asking me to take that bullet home to my own family. I won't do it. And you shouldn't want me to.

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She became an educator after a career as a nurse, I teach medical science and introduction to nursing to 11th and 12th graders at a regional skill center that serves students from 22 different high schools in 13 different school districts. She says that her school district and school haven't ruled out asking us to return to in-person teaching in the fall. Nothing I've heard reassures me. I can safely teach in person. So a couple of things. One, we have a central workers and I mean people who are like grocery stores, who've been working for months and never stopped working.

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Our public school teachers less essential than the workers who are staffing the grocery stores. I haven't told the public education is the number one most essential business in America, which is why we should be spending Udalls and Udalls of cash on it. So which is it? Is it essential or is it not essential? We know the risk to kids is essentially minimal from Coalbed 19. Why is it that we can't try the solution proposed by my friend John Podhoretz, a Commentary magazine?

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Bring the kids back to school. Have the teacher Skype in if you're so worried. Or when I have younger teachers. But this this notion that you are essentially protected from disease when you go to school as a teacher. Listen, life is filled with risks. That does not mean that we shouldn't take measures to try and protect our teachers. And a lot of private schools looking to open. They want to protect their teachers, too. And you know what they're doing?

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They're taking measures to do exactly that. I assume that they would do the same thing in the school district that this woman teaches at. But it's hard to declare itself an essential worker while saying you're less essential than the people who work at the grocery stores. Who, by the way, I've been asked to go into work and who are disproportionately young. This is not about the kids. Right, it's not. It's just not about them. And, you know, it's going to happen here.

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There's gonna be a vast increase in home schooling, as there has been over the last year or so. She suggests distance learning, distance learning has been a giant fail for public schools. I believe the statistic was an LAUSD. 40 percent of students never opened a computer when they got home. The gaps that are going to emerge, the class gaps here are going to be incredible. People like me, I can afford to be to spend time at home.

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My wife can spend time at home, my kids' grandparents, my parents can spend time with my kids at home. My daughter has has thrived in this homeschooling period. She went from being a kindergartener, reading at first grade level to a kindergartner, reading at third grade level during this period. How many people is that true of who are already struggling with the finances? You know, exacerbate class conflict. You want to exacerbate income inequality, make sure that people can't go to school.

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And so this narrative has some fairly significant consequences, also, it happens to be anti scientific. Europe has reopened its schools. The schools have not been the main vector of spread, particularly for younger kids. There's some evidence that junior high kids are spreading this thing. But that evidence is is still not as rich as you would like. Certainly for young kids, the idea that young kids are supposed to stay out of school is kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy.

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And meanwhile, President Trump did an interview on Fox News with Chris Wallace. The media were all over it because Chris Wallace basically fact check Trump in real time. There's only one problem. Half the facts ex Chris Wallace actually said were not quite correct. Trump called him on them. He called Trump on some of them. And he was particularly horrible showing by Trump. But it did show that that Trump's fluency with the fact is not all that high.

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It also shows him the difficulties he's going to have with Joe Biden, mainly because he's trying to draw a troop. A two prong narrative against Joe Biden. Pro number one is that Joe Biden is senile and old and doesn't have it together. And and then prong number two is that Joe Biden is a true threat to the country. Now, the way that you could do this is you could say Joe Biden is associate out and so crazy that his vice president's actually going to be president.

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You can have to wait until he selects a V.P. If Joe Biden were to select a Comilla Harris. Then you just attack Kamala Harris, right? Hey, Joe Biden is not the president. Kamala Harris is the president. That would be the line of attack. I think that that maybe Trump is waiting for here. But in the meantime, you have this bizarre dual message where Joe Biden is simultaneously deeply unthreatening because he's not alive and simultaneously super duper threatening because he's a socialist secretly.

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So here's President Trump to Chris Wallace talking about Biden doing an interview like this one. You know, again, this is. I don't know, there's gonna be a particularly successful tack by the president here. Let him come out of his basement, go around. I'll make four or five speeches a day. I'll be interviewed by you. I'll be interviewed by the worst killers that hate my my guts. They hate my guts. There's nothing they can ask me that I won't give them a proper answer.

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To some people will like it. Some people won't like. I agree with that. But look, you answer the last five and sit through an interview like this. He'll be on the ground crying for mommy. He'll say, Mommy, Mommy, please take me home. But we've asked him for an interview, sir. He can't do an interview. He's incompetent.

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I think that there's truth to this. There is truth to this. But simultaneously, that's actually not the biggest problem for Trump. Meaning it for Biden. Mean it mean that Biden being an out alive person, as I've been saying for months, is actually one of his great assets. Trump is what the is really hampered Trump's ability to campaign just on a political level. Put aside his reaction to covet Trump's ability to campaign has really been stifled here. Trump's main pitch in 2016, one of them was he's a high energy dude.

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Hillary Clinton was stumbling into vans and Donald Trump, same age, was running around the country, taking jets to seven different places, doing these rallies, demonstrating high levels of energy. He's boxed in. He can't do rallies right now. And that's really hurting him in a fairly major way. It doesn't help when the president starts talking about his own cognitive facility or faculty. He says that, Chris, while he tells Chris Wallace he passed a cognitive test easily.

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And Chris Wallace is like, right. But that cognitive test is, can you identify an elephant? That's not the hardest task now with the last picture.

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And it's a flat out and that's an L.A. Naida, I guess. You see, that's all misrepresentation. That's what it was on the Web. So a misrepresentation because, yes, the first two questions are easy, but I'll bet you couldn't even answer the last five questions. I'll bet you couldn't take it very hard. The last five.

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Well, one of them was coming back from one hundred by seven.

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And let me tell you that you couldn't answer that. You couldn't answer. All right. What's across many of the questions? I get you the test. I'd like to give it, but I guarantee you that Joe Biden could not answer those questions. OK. And I answered all thirty five questions correctly.

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OK, I'm sorry. That's not gone anywhere. I'm sorry. That's just not going anywhere. This is not a cognitive test, guys. Cognitive tests are not the same thing as like the S.A.T. is wasn't the al-Saad he was taking here. He wasn't in the medical board. And cognitive tests is basically does your brain function? It is not enough. I mean, Chris Wallace is not wrong, is what Chris Wallace is wrong. Is there a certain times here where Wallace just repeated stuff that wasn't true?

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So, for example, Wallace was confronting Trump on Colbert mortality rates and Wallace was suggesting the United States is one of the worst in the world dealing with this. And Trump was like, no, we're not. And Trump is actually right here.

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We have the seventh highest mortality rate in the world. Our mortality rate is higher than Brazil. It's higher than Russia. And the European Union has us on a travel ban. I think what we'll do well, we have them on a travel ban, too, Chris. I close them off. If you remember, I was the one that did the European Union very early. But when you talk about mortality rates, I think it's the opposite. I think we have one of the lowest mortality rates in the world week.

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Well, we went to Mexico. We had 900 deaths on a single day.

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We will take this, number one, low mortality.

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I hope you show the scenario because it shows what factors is okay.

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And Trump is right about this. Again, I read you the stats a little bit earlier. So Wallace actually had it wrong here. The media were treating it as though Trump got everything wrong here. That is not correct. Well, it's got a bunch of things wrong here. Another example of this. Wallace C. Wallace and Trump weren't added about whether Trump about whether Biden has threatened to defund the police. And this really rests and it hinges on the question of what do you mean by defund the police?

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So the left has played a game with defund the police. On the one hand, you have some people who are like defund the police means completely defund the police. No more police. It's true, Biden said, I'm not defunding the police. Then there's defund the police as in shift funding away from the cops and toward social workers. And Biden basically embraced that because it just as a predicate. Here's a flashback. Joe Biden saying he supports redirecting money from police and then suggested that the police have in some cases become the enemy instead of sending two police officers with deadly weapons to that Wendy's drive thru in Atlanta.

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We could have sent a wellness counselor and a tow truck and then raise hard. Brooks would still be alive today and his three daughters would still have their daddy. Are you open to that kind of reform?

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Yes, I'd propose that kind of reform surplus military equipment for law enforcement. They don't need that. The last thing you need is an up armored Humvee coming into a neighborhood. It's like the military's invading. They don't know anybody can become the enemy. They're supposed to protecting these people. So my generic point is we agree that we can redirect some of the funding.

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Yes, absolutely. We were told that that's exactly what you fund the police means by the experts. Read their full articles in The Washington Post, New York Times suggesting that defund the police means shifting the funding, which Joe Biden embraced. Here is Chris Wallace telling Trump full scale that Joe Biden does not want to defund the police.

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Liberal Democrats have been running cities in this country for decades. Poorly. Why is it so bad right now? Are they running poorly? It was always bad. But now it's gotten totally out of control. And it's really because they want to defund the police. And Biden wants to fund to make sure he does not look. He signed a charter with Bernie Sanders.

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I will get that one just like it goes right in the mortality rate. Did you read the charter? He said nothing about defunding O'Reilly. It says abolish it says fuck. Let's go. All right. Well, you give me the charter plane. All right. You've got to start studying for this.

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OK. He's not right about the platform. He is right, though, that Joe Biden has suggested before that he wants to shift funding away from police. Right. To the media plainness is. Look at Chris Wallace really grilling Trump. Trump did OK during the interview. He really did. This wasn't a bad interview for Trump. The big problem for Trump is that until Joe Biden appoints AVP, it's gonna be difficult for Joe Biden to be attacked as sort of a threat to the republic.

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And the other attack that Joe Biden is kind of seems like we all know, man, that's that's not really much of an attack already. So we'll be back here a little bit later today with two additional hours and content. In the meantime, Glanton purchase a copy of my book, How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps, surging up the bestseller charts. Right now, it is out tomorrow. Preorder it now and be one of the first to read it.

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