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Hello and welcome to the official release of the one and only Ben Shapiro's new book. Now, the book is not the one, and only Ben has written many books, many bestsellers, all of them impressively with words. The latest book, How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps. What began as a prophecy has now become a news report. But for the moment, well, we still have some semblance of a country left. We are pleased to welcome you to this live signing premiere of How to Destroy America.


Three easy steps typically. You may recall on our shows, you have got to be a daily wire. Remember to ask the questions. But today, oh, today it is a special exception. Anyone who orders a signed copy of Ben's new book can submit a question to be answered right here live. While your book is being signed by this guy, the one and only if you want your question answered while Ben signed your book head on over the daily wire dot com slash Ben right now.


And while we wait for the questions to come in, Ben. How do you destroy America? Well, first of all, I have to say that this distance is like the best distance away. I feel too far from you. I know. But it is exactly the right thing. All right. It's like it's absolutely perfect. The basic thesis, the book, if you ever heard me talk about it on the show for the last couple of months is is essentially what ties America together is our philosophy, our culture and our history.


And without those three elements, any culture, any nation is going to fall apart. The philosophy of the United States is embedded in the Declaration of Independence. Certain fundamental principles that there are natural rights. They come from God or nature. And that they pre-exist government. That those rights are endowed inalienable in all of us. And that government is instituted in order to protect those rights. And that a limited government is created in order not to infringe upon those rights.


So the declaration is the ideological framework and then the Constitution is what really formalizes that into a workable system. That's the philosophy. And that philosophy has been consistent throughout the U.S. that the history of the United States. We get to the history in just one second. Second, you need a common culture. And what that means is you have to have a certain framework beyond mere government and that we share. And that framework used to be things like social institutions that inculcated virtue.


Right. Churches and schools and communities. You needed those things. You also needed a general spirit of tolerance for other people's rights, meaning that rights exist. But one of the big problems with rights is that you then have to tolerate the guy next to you completely using the right in a way you don't like. You like free speech, but don't like what I say. Well, there has to be a culture of tolerance for that guy using his rights in a way.


I don't think could could our common culture, the cancel culture, that seems like the only thing we do.


I think that that's exactly right. That's that's kind of where we're going is tearing down all of this in the name of a new faux unity. But the you have to have that. You have to have a culture of entrepreneurship and adventure. You have to cultivate a spirit that says that the only thing you promised in the United States is not a bunch of entitlements from the government. It is instead the adventure that comes along with freedom and the responsibility that comes along with freedom.


And finally, you have to have a culture that says that it is worth standing up for those rights, not merely tolerating other people's rights. It standing up militantly when rights were violated. And that has been a common thread throughout American history. Which brings us to the final element. You have to share a vision of American history. Well, that vision used to be pretty obvious. America was founded in 1776, was founded on the fundamental philosophical principles.


The history of the United States is about the attempt to fulfill those principles gradually step by step, stumbling, falling, sinning, dramatically, doing horrible things along the way. But eventually, the story of America is about the spread of prosperity and freedom to untold numbers of human beings at home and abroad is about the film and the founding principle. It's a glorious story. It is not, in fact, a downcast story about the vicious evil of the United States disintegration that have attacked all three of these elements.


They seek to level the United States by destroying all the ties that bind us. American philosophy has to be destroyed. American culture has to be destroyed. American history has to be rewritten as the story of exploitation of one group by another group that has never abated. There's never been any attempt to evade it. That 60 19 is the same as 20 20. Every article in The New York Times is this right? Here's a bad thing that happened in 1720 with slavery.


And now here's a story about Michael Brown, and they are exactly the same. Well, now you missed a few things, but that culture that the disintegration is view of America is taking real hold. I mean, there's a poll from The Wall Street Journal today that said that. Fifty nine percent of Americans, 58 percent of Americans said that the United States was a racist country.


There's a huge percentage of Americans now say a majority of Americans now say kneeling for the American flag is appropriate and this integration is our winning. Yeah, they're winning because we ceded the field of battle. We voted for the quote unquote, right people. But we forgot that we actually have to inculcate certain values in our kids.


Right. Well, a good reason to read the book to get out, which I have done, by the way. I really enjoyed reading it. Let's get some questions from people so they can get their signed books and read it as well. First question comes in from Aaron from Crestview, Florida. Hello, Ben. Not talking to Ben. You're talking to me. And then I'm asked, well, never. As a twenty nine year old, I am wanting some pointers to be able to be more involved in government, mainly at the local level, city, county or state.


So the best way to get involved in in government is to recognize that when you're talking about local government, you have to find an issue that generates a broad level of support and then you have to castra opponents is not being in that circle. There's something that Jonathan Hyde talks about. The big mistake that people talk that people make in politics is not trying to draw other people into the kind of sumo wrestling circle before you throw them out. You actually have to draw as many people into you in a unifying stand as you can, and then you throw out your opponent.


The Democrats are very good at this, right? Democrats will say we all believe in things like police brutality suck. Now you fund the police. No, I don't want to fund the police. It's too late. It's too late. You're outside the circle. You're enough to play that game. But there are a lot of issues that are very unifying on a local level that people have neglected. And when it comes to local government, there's a lot of knocking on doors.


There is a kind of broad philosophy doesn't really take too much of a hold at local levels. It's really broad philosophies made manifest in Hilliary hottest thing, right?


Yeah. Exactly. So making sure that you can actually get that stuff done is the key to getting involved on a local level. You know, I'm actually not the best person to ask this because I've never been involved on a local level, but I have been told by my friends who are involved. A local level that really being in touch with the community and really knocking on doors is the key. And I think our city is so unpopular here in L.A..


I mean, you could be better off. Yeah, that's exactly. Mayor Bill de Blah. You can be Mayor Bill de Blasio as long as you pledge not to murder, like, actively murder groundhogs and allow the complete destruction of your city.


We've got, like, lowering standards these days and local politics.


From Zack in White Oak, Pennsylvania. What is your favorite way to decompress after work? I just scream. I just go home. I just scream.


I'll be honest. It's like four hours. It's just one long continuous scream of rage and pain. Now, the actual answer is that I have three kids and so I play with my kids and I went and beat the living hell out of me. And then I go running from my children like I will. I've taken up running during the pandemic. It turns out you can't go to the gym. So if you go outside and you're not exercising all the rescue.


So that means that I basically have only a few choices right now. That choice has led me to go on these long runs where I listen to music or books on tape or other people's podcasts. It means that I've lost some weight. I thank you for noticing, but it also means that that that that is the best way to decompress. Also just reading a lot. So Sabbath is the great decompression time. And I'll knock out in a typical Sabbath.


I'll knock out like three books. Maybe I'll read maybe three books over the course of a Sabbath. So that's pretty good for this.


Judaism has something for this is really Jesus was into heaven every day. Alex from Santa Clarita, California, wants to know, in contrast to the title of this book. How can we save America in three years? I'm so glad you asked. The answer is embedded in this very book. OK. Because the way the book is structured is essentially here is the philosophy that holds America together. Here's the culture. Here's the history. And then here's how the left is trying to destroy all of these things.


Although I shouldn't really say the left, I should say the radical left, because I think there are some liberals who actually still believe in some of these general principles. You saw that maybe the Harper's Weekly letter, that the answer in the end is going to be education and it's going to be talking to your neighbors. And it's going to be recognizing commonality before difference. And that's that's a big thing. I think that we spend so much time clarifying difference in American politics that recognizing that at root, there are a lot of commonly held values that's worthwhile because when we don't speak them, they don't become commonly held.


They're very easily dissolved, he says, with free speech. And he used it.


We sort of took for granted that we're all kind of like, yeah, you can have your opinion. I can have my opinion will move along without articulating that that completely fell away and then it became. Well, you're not allowed to have your opinion so long as your opinion is a bad, unapproved opinion. And then points of agreement always establish where you agree with people before you try to establish where you disagree.


Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, because if we do share things, at least for now and, you know, hopefully we'll still share them before the whole country burns down. From Aldo in Blaenau, New Jersey, Where do you see America in the next five to 10 years? Where do you see yourself in the next five to 10 years? I believe Walda is interviewing you for a job. Yeah, that's right. Do you see yourself?


Well, where I see myself is a beautiful resorts off the coast of Italy. Just enjoying my time thinking about how America is just fantastic because the president of the United States is now Tommaso. And then just everything is going great. I mean, realistically speaking, five to 10 years from now, what my hope is that more and more people obviously engage with the show, read the books and and inculcate the values that I'm pushing. That's why I do what I do.


I mean, the money's great. But the real reason I do this, I did it with money among great for years and years and years. The real reason I do this is because I actually care about the stuff that I talk about and because I care about that stuff. You know, I want to ensure that more more people here that we have a lot of things that are gonna bring to daily where there's a lot of stuff that are going to build out here.


I don't want to talk about it yet cause it's a little bit early. And I also have a real bad habit of like pre selling stuff, like, for example, the Shapiro store, which I did two years in advance of the actual release of the Shapiro stuff. So I'm not going to talk about what we're gonna do specifically over the next five to 10 years. I can't say that we are in active talks about that right now. It's really exciting stuff.


And as far as where the country is in five or 10 years, you're screwed. I mean, like I tell you, it's realistically, I think what's going to happen is. If things do not change radically between now in November, Trump is going to lose and it's going to suck. It's going to be so bad because I think that if Trump loses, there's a high likelihood that he takes the Senate with him. I think that if Joe Biden and the Democratic Senate and a Democratic House are in charge, to me, it really ugly.


The one thing I will say that gives me some level of optimism is the Democrats always overstep. This is a habit. People tend to interpret a mandate against the other side as a mandate for the things they want to do. George W. Bush did this after 2004 when he started pushing Social Security privatization and immigration reform. And it was I know you don't get to do any of that then gave the Democrats power in 2006. And then after Barack Obama was elected, he interpreted that as people want nationalized health care and two years later, Congress was Republican again.


I think it's very likely the same thing could happen with Joe Biden. He goes for broke. Americans like this is too much. We're not doing this. And then power starts to swift swiftly shift back in the direction of Republicans. I think, you know, I guess the pessimistic view is that things can't get any worse. And then the optimistic view is, of course, they can get worse.


They can get there. That's exactly right. And they always say that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. But sometimes the darkest time is just before it gets completely black. That's beautiful. From Adrian from Arlington, Massachusetts. Ben, what free books other than your own would you recommend as fundamental readings for anyone interested in understanding conservative and classical liberal philosophy that are relatively easy to digest for the average person? You know, Ben, do any books come to mind?


Easy to digest. Really musing on these philosophical thoughts. So there's a book. Let me tell you about this book. This book is so replete with knowledge and thoroughness that it really can't be overstated. It's called The Reasons to Vote Democrat A Roll of Toilet Paper. And it is it is really excellent. I think you'll get a lot from it.


And also, it serves other purposes. So that's right. That's really exciting. I'll take that endorsement for that. Other things that you should probably read. I always recommend economics in one lesson by Henry has led to the sort of the classical liberal view of economics. It's 150 pages long. It's very easy to just it's easy to read. The Federalist Papers is not quite as easy to digest, but it is definitely a vital reading, frankly. Read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.


And you combine those and sort of one document and that would be definitely a solid one. I would also recommend that you read a conflict Divisions by Thomas Sowell, which is really good. He's kind of philosophical writing. I like him better than his economics writings. He has a bunch of philosophical writing is one called The Quest for Cosmic Justice. That's also excellent. And that's definitely worthy of the read as well. Yeah, that's a great.


That's a really terrific one. And by the way, if they read the Federalist Papers, they can listen to you explain the Federalist Papers on the Prager U. Book show, on your own podcast from years ago. That is a true story. A lot of great places.


If you were just joining us, we are taking your questions. You probably figured that part out, but you can only get your question answered if you go and order a signed copy of Ben's brand new book, How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps. Head on over to the daily wire dot coms like Ben. You can order your copy there. Next question is from Alan Handwrote in Las Vegas, Nevada. Ben, what is your go to meal when going out?


Oh. Hmm. Well, the easiest one, you know, will never fail is a burger, right? It's really difficult to scrub a burger in a serious way. So burgers for me if I'm. I will tell you, the secret is going to a nice restaurant. This is and it holds true for unkosher restaurants. I can only speak for the kosher restaurants. The secret is order 1000 appetizers and domain. OK. This is the actual secret, not because you're trying to save my money, but because you get to taste all of the good taste.


The main is always too large and it's usually not quite as good as the appetizers. Have you found this to be true?


I've never even considered this strategy. But it is in fact the case that when I go out and order a lot of appetizers, that is better than the entree. Correct.


Always, always. Always right. You get the chicken and waffles, get the poppers. You get like all that. You get to get the sliders. All of those things. Why are better than, like, the giant steak? Almost. The steak is magnificent. I think the appetizers. That is the key.


I thought I was only going to learn things about now and learn. I learned something incredible that I wasn't at this all the time. Well, and people don't feel bad because if you ordered thirty five appetizers, it's the same as ordering a Maine. So you're not gypping the waiter or something. Right. That's it. So that's, that's always been, that's been our strategy. And give big to order the appetizers.


That, that's the kind of advice you only get when you get the signed book and you come and ask these questions. This is from Aiden from Alexandria, Virginia. Hey, Ben, you speak a lot about the importance of the culture war. What can we as conservatives do to shift the culture while we are outnumbered in the media and after November, possibly in Congress and possibly even the White House?


So we got to start using our market power. It's something that I don't want to do when it comes to corporations like shoe companies or something like. I find that what we have here is a prisoner's dilemma. And the prisoner's dilemma frustrates me to no end. In fact, it frustrates me so much that we actually had an organization. Michael remembers this organization called Truth Revolt. Truth Revolt was indeed a it was indeed an organization that was designed to be sort of the anti media matters and set up a mutually assured destruction whereby everybody would leave each other alone and we could all go back to some semblance of normal.


That, of course, did not happen. But. If you are talking about what you can do in the culture right now, you've got to turn off the TV in some cases. I mean, you got it. You got to make Netflix feel it. You got it. You got to make it to that. And it's honestly not that hard. Like I found that I used to watch ESPN all the time. Then I became MSNBC, the footballs, and I just stopped watching ESPN just almost naturally.


And that hurts their bottom line. I stopped subscribing to Sports Illustrated for the same reason. I still love my sports. I just get it from ALCA. Instead of getting it from these other places, finding alternative methods of getting your information so as not to subsidize companies that you don't like. That's the best way to go. Now. I'm not going to recommend you boycott the advertisers on these things because I think that's idiocy. I think that only left us that.


I think they're garbage.




And, you know, now more than ever, there are these alternative media sources. So you actually are not beholden to like Sports Illustrated or something like that. You actually can flex your market power a little bit. You just have to go and click the button on the site. But it's very, very easy way to do it. From Aaron from Appleton, Wisconsin. Do you believe having a third party in this country would force politicians to have actual conversations?


So I think it would help. I mean, I I mean, I'm actually in favor of rank choice voting. I think rank choice voting is a good idea. So rank choice, voting for folks who don't understand it is instead of you just vote for one party or the other party. You actually rank how you would vote. So let's say that there's Republican Party, Libertarian Party, Democratic Party. And let's say you like the Libertarian Party. They don't want to waste your vote on the Libertarian Party.


Libertarian going to win. So you do instead is vote libertarian first and then Republican and then you leave the rest of your ballot blank is known to never vote Democrat. There are literally no reasons to vote Democrat. So as explicated in a fabulous book. Also, role is what are called Reasons to Vote Democrat by Michael Moore. So the. Yes, I think that having a viable third party would be a good thing in the country. Give people more choices, because right now, basically all the Democratic Party has to do is be just to the left of the Republican Party and pick up all those votes.


All the Republican Party has to do is just be yes to the right of the Democratic Party and pick up all those votes. Alternatively, what you end up seeing is both parties swinging wildly to their extremes because they don't actually have to gamble for the middle because the other party is nowhere near the middle. So you end up with either both parties out here or both parties right in here when actually what you want is both parties over here, right? Yeah.


And, you know, rather than having the kind of craziness of Europe where, you know, there are all these different hours in parties. Right. That that is one way to kind of consolidate that area where we all where we all might agree from.


Aaron, another air, their own name, Aaron. Aaron from Midwest City, Oklahoma. They were beer. OK. So I'm not a big beer Kamasutra, as you may imagine. I will say Sam Adams, but only because I have a history at Sam Adams. So here's an excellent Samuel Adams beer story. So eleven year old Ben Shapiro and where I'm playing in Little League and my dad is the coach of the Little League Baseball team. And on the team is my cousin Joel.


And my cousin John is an assistant coach on the team. And we have a big playoff game and they're playing a team. And this team has won the championship like every single year. And my dad says to us, as we're driving in our no air conditioned nineteen ninety one Toyota Corolla we're driving are fantastic. And we're in 100 degree weather. My father says to me, if we win today, I'm buying you guys beer. And we're like, seriously?


And he's like, Yeah. So we go, it's a long game. We win. We we're all dehydrated. He stops off at a grocery store and he he goes into the grocery store with us and he says, What kind of beer do you want? We're like, really sick. Yeah. And my cousin is like, wow, I like American history. So how about Sam Adams and go back in the car. We end up driving up into the Hollywood Hills.


My dad pops open some beers and one of my cousins takes, like, once it doesn't like it. I think maybe four sips and I am not super fond of it. And my cousin Joel downs the entire bottle of beer. He's like eleven, maybe twelve. And he downs the entire bottle of beer. We get back on the freeway. And my cousin is now drunk as a skunk. He's twelve years old and drunk as a skunk.


And he's got the bottle of beer out the window of the car. And my dad is screaming at him, get the beer back in the car. I'm going to be arrested for giving beer to a minor. And, um, and yeah, we did get caught by the cops. And to this day, we have been on America's Most Wanted.


I'm picturing brand new thug life, Meems, of like the the blunt comes down the Sam Adams into the car. It's a great story. It's a great American story from Alex from San Diego, California. Any advice for a Jewish conservative that is about to go to D.C. to study political science?


Be very, very careful, sir.


I mean, I don't know what university you are going to. Here's my advice. My advice is always think of the usefulness of a conversation. So I think people mistake true for useful. These are not the same thing. You having a conversation with your professor publicly where you're trying to convince some of the other students might not be a bad idea. You're writing on your final everything that you believe about the Constitution. It might not be a very good idea.


You alienating a professor where you don't have a blind final might not be a very good idea. Do not give people who are going to discriminate against you because of your politics, the means with which to do so. So be very careful in deciding when and where you are going to drop your truth bombs. I know I'm an argument for a long time with Dennis Prager about this. Dennis Prager is like just dropped the truth. Bombs everywhere. Just do it, man.


Like Dennis, you have been in college in 60 years. Yeah, it's been a long time since Dennis has been in college. So you don't understand, like you do that you're giving them the means to destroy your career. There's no reason to do that. That would be my main advice is if you have to keep your head down for a little while so they can get. Keep your head down for a little while to get the degree. The purpose of being in college is the credentialing.


It is not to convince your professor or the fellow students, at least at this moment.


And these days, we find out it's not even an education because you're still gonna pay 50 grand to Harvard for a Zoome quota.


I use that. I use the term credentialling, Larry.


It's just about a credential.


It's a Cracker Jack Cracker Jack Box stops. By the way, Shatta, ATF and all they do to help encourage free thought and discussion on college campuses. And actually pretty sad. I missed out on visiting Yale this past spring. I'm super hopeful we'll meet again in some capacity this fall. And as always, I just want to mention, I'm always really grateful to Fred Allen for his support in getting these really important ideas out to college students from Alex from Yoda.


I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly. Yota, Minnesota, if three steps didn't do it. What would be your fourth step to destroy America?


The fourth step to destroy America is to force everyone to go vegan because the amount of hunger in the universe would just increase so rapidly that we could not stand. I mean, honestly, I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not. The fourth step to destroy America is interminable. Lockdown's that never end without any standards. Yeah, that's that's serious stuff like that. Blocking the economy down until everyone has no job and is dependent on the government and simultaneously locking us in our homes.


So we do come out of our homes were super pissed and we go out in the streets in protest and loot things. That seems like a pretty good way to get people to lose their minds. And the government has successfully done that. That's not to say that all lockdowns are inevitably wrong or bad or stupid. It is to say that some of these lockdowns are bad and stupid and not based in political concerns as much as they are based in in the actual political interests of the players who are doing this.


Yeah, and could you imagine if everyone became a vegan and all the gyms were closed like we were just everyone. It atrophy and no one would be able to defend the country and we'd get invaded.


Yeah, it would look like one of those side cartoons where just a big buzz on the ground dragged ourselves around.


Yeah, it's a very sort of dystopian view from Adam, from Canon Dango. There's no way I'm pronouncing that correct. And it's just Canada from Canada, New York at age eight and from Canada, New York.


What odds would you give Donald Trump of winning this election?


If the election were held today, I would give. See, here's the problem. Last time I gave odds, I ended up this. A lot of money, not as much money as I would others, but I ended up nearly bankrupting myself. And then I was a jerk about giving them a check, which I eventually to give them. But what are his odds? So today, if the election were held today, he is like a an 80 20 shot to to lose the election.


It's a it's a it's a real. The numbers are really, really bad. Now in Trump time, there's there's like three months left, three and half months left in from time. That's at least forty seven years. We aren't we are at least 100 hundred new cycles away from the election. Does he have the time to turn it down, turn it around? He could. I'm going to say that he is the that that Biden at this point is probably about a 60 40 favorite to win.


My my tendency is to exaggerate that a little bit. He's even a sixty five thirty five favourite to win, because I don't think that Trump is capable of changing himself on a dime the way he sort of needs to. He needs to be laser focused. The problem is an unserious times when bad things are not happening that affect the entirety of the American public. Then you can be as silly as you want to be on Twitter. No one really cares.


Everybody is happy. When when the economy is booming, you can, like, tweet as much as one about bubble wars. And no one cares when the entire narrative is that America is in a state of collapse. We have the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. We don't know when we're coming back. And by the way, race riots and then the president is like, you know what I think? I think the bubble, Alice, is a very bad man.


Fake news. And you're like, send it that. You just don't just up. So could you turn it? I don't wanna be a downer here. Could you turn it around? Yes. Is it extraordinarily likely? He turns it around? Not extraordinarily likely. If I were giving money right now, where would I put it? I put in the Senate races because right now the Senate races are very close. They are very competitive, a lot more competitive than the presidential race.


And frankly, I trust a lot of these senators to retain their seat. More than I trust President Trump's right hand, the presidency again. I'm coming as someone who plans on voting for Trump. I plan on voting for him. I want him to win. But in order for him to win, he needs change and needs to stick and move. He reminds me of a baseball player who has a great fastball for six months of the season. He's blowing people way 100 mile an hour fastball.


Then batter starts ketchups. You better have a change up. So where's the change up? It needs to come. Yeah. And you think about the Senate races at least, that those are kind of straightforward presidential race. We don't know if they're going to be debates. We don't know yet.


I mean, listen, there are things that could turn it around, like if if Joe Biden were to pick Kamala Harris, that would help Trump immensely because then Trump can campaign against Cannella. The biggest problem that Trump has right now is it is nearly impossible to beat a dead horse. Joe Biden is a dead horse, and I beat a dead horse. I mean, like he's he's trying to say that Joe Biden is super threatening and Joe Biden is just sitting there like, yeah, he's comatose.


Right. It means he's not an alive human. And so from his point, like, isn't that corpse threatening? You're like, no. He's like, well, it's gonna come back to life in November. And he's actually. Right, right. If it's Biden is elected. He's the president then. So he's actually right. But the problem is a corpse kind of looks like a corpse.


And it's not all that threatening until he comes back to life and haunts you and eat your brains.


That's if we're gonna get a Comilla chapter in here, maybe from also Adrian.


There is no way that these people all have the same names.


Adrian. From Carlsbad, California. What scares you most about a Joe Biden presidency? And there are a thousand things that scare me, a Joe Biden presidency. So on the foreign policy front, I think he to slash the military.


I think he's going to start making concessions to Iran. I think he's gonna go soft on China, all of which are disastrous for the United States on the domestic front. I'm deeply worried about the threat to religious liberty. I think he presents I think he has no interest in using the First Amendment to protect religious liberty in the face of full anti-discrimination law. I say faux, because you shouldn't have to have anti-discrimination laws when it comes to either religious freedom or when it comes to human action.


And discrimination laws were meant to protect against discrimination based on immutable characteristics, not on things like gender identity, which are not apparent to anyone unless you actually manifest that in a form of behavior. The the the Biden administration would not be friendly to religious liberty, would not be friendly to to homeschooling or charter schooling, which I think is the next on the on the list of things that the Democrats would love to go after. He'd be terrible on guns, obviously.


I think he would sink the economy because I think that absent what's going on right now, we'd have a booming economy. I think he has every intention of radically increasing taxes. I think he wants to set up a public option that would eventually lead to the dissolution of the private health care system that has brought about some of the greatest R&D changes in the history of the world. So there are a lot of reasons. He's got a Biden presidency, which is, again, why I'm planning on voting for Trump.


Yeah. Yeah. It's a litany of all sorts of terrors and and there are many others to able to get up to the world. I mean, the one thing everybody sort of thinking, OK, well, Joe Biden isn't well, right. I mean, he'll be a barrier against it. Just because he is not Wolke himself does not mean that he has any sort of a backbone to stand up to the pollsters at all.


Yeah, especially, you know, if you think he's kind of being walked around on strings and he certainly doesn't have the backbone.


I mean, somewhat someone else is pushing him along from a lean from West Savol, New York, regardless of the outcome of the 2020 election. Where do you think the Republican Party will be and what do you think it will look like? Post Trump. So I think that, you know, the battles that were taking place before Trump will continue after Trump.


I think that there is a really rich and interesting debate right now between the sort of nationalist conservative wing and the more libertarian wing of the of the Republican Party. The libertarian wing is not sort of the Rand Paul wing as much as it is sort of the classical liberal wing.


There is this group of people I mean, I do talk about it in this book a little bit, the sort of nationalist wing of the conservative movement that is much warmer toward using the power of government in order to shore up what they think of as fundamental institutions, increasing government power in order to benefit certain industries at the expense of other industries. I'm deeply uncomfortable with that. I think it's wrongheaded, but I think it's a conversation that is going to be had.


And I think it's a really interesting conversation. There's always been this rich debate inside the Republican Party about a more hawkish on foreign policy. Are you more isolationist on foreign policy? That will continue apace. I do think that the chief methodology of unity is going to be around resistance if Trump were to lose. This is this is really where the question lies.


It is much easier to unite around an opponent than it is to unite around a policy, which is what Democrats find out every time they gain office. The Republicans are about to find out the same thing. It's very difficult for them to do anything. So pass a tax cut and get some judges in place as the majority are in the minority. And all you're doing is yelling about Joe Biden all day. Then you can find an awful lot of places where you oppose Joe Biden.


You're on the same page, whether you're a libertarian or a nationalist conservative. Yeah, that's right. That is, by the way, a great section of the book. I really enjoyed that section. Thank you.


Yeah, it again. These are really fascinating debate. And there's a really good, interesting comment. You want a taste of it? Go listen to my conversation with Tucker Carlson from a few months back.


Yep, that's right. From Adam from Fort Smith, Arkansas. Do you think the country will separate eventually? Not through a war, but peacefully, because the extreme difference in opinions gets so great.


I think that if things keep going where they're going and that is high likelihood. Now, how that actually ends up in practicality is anybody's guess because it sort of depends on who initiates and who allows the separation to take place. Because one of the big problems that we've seen is that it's coming to the point where there almost is no way out. We don't like secession in this country. It's secession ism is is treason in the civil war in in this case.


If you have the federal government violating fundamental rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech and free economic rights and taking away your guns and all of this, and Texas says, listen, we're out, you know what? We're going to pay our share of the federal tax rates. But isn't that enough to leave us alone? We're not helping enforce any laws. We're starting to see this happen already. I think it exacerbates the problem is going to come when people say, OK, so I'm paying 40 percent of my money to the federal government and I'm getting zero things in return.


So why exactly are we doing this anymore? Now that that and I wonder whether the 51 percent who run the federal government and want to obliterate all checks and balances, whether they allow a sort of soft separation to occur. And the nice thing that the EU is that Brexit had the ability to Brexit. That doesn't exist under the United States Constitution.


The last time a couple states tried to break away, it was pretty bloody for everybody and also for terrible reasons and a terrible reason. Yeah, right. That's right. So, you know, if it were to happen this time, we're kind of in uncharted territory. We were not having a national debate on slavery, for instance. Were we just kind of don't like each other anymore?


Right. Then that's right. I mean, there's you could see a world in which you already see it with sanctuary cities where California, just like we're not enforcing federal law, we're not helping enforce federal law. And you're seeing it, I assume you will in Texas if pro-gun legislation gets passed and Texas is like, guess what, we're not effectuating that. We're not gonna be involved in that. Yeah. And, you know, there will come a point where the pedal does hit the metal and there's direct conflict.


I think it's likely to happen over freedom of religion and educating our children. Yeah, and you could easily see a world in which the Democrats try to pass a Bill C 16 like the bill in Canada that basically makes it so that you are prosecutable or arrestable if you not go along with the prevailing view of absurd gender politics. Right. If that happens and people start, you know, your kids said something to their teacher, that teacher reports it to Child Protective Services.


And now you've got people at your door with guns saying we're gonna take your kid away unless you acknowledge that your boy is a girl. Well, and then you could start to things get really ugly really quickly. I hope it never comes to that.


That's right. So we've got one from Dan Bierbaum. That's a great, great, real nice Dan Darebin. It's not nearly enough to dislike Michael Knowles. You need to be actively anti Michael by continuing to remain silent about his employment. You're engaging in a system of Michael Knowles. Thus, you are Michael. If you don't get it, I don't have time to explain it from Dan. Wow. Dan definitely deserves has his sign. But he gets.


That is it, that is excellent stuff right now. That's this whole system in there. I hadn't really thought of that. Yeah, it's it's Michael Fragility. That's Michael from Darren. Do you think that the perceived division in the country, which is fueled by the media, is simply due to the election cycle? Or is there a cultural divide that is arising? I feel like them. The vast majority of us are stuck somewhere in the middle between two extremist groups.


Thanks for your show. Keeps me sane there.


So I think there's a lot of truth to that. I mean, I think that what you've noticed is that studies show that's the more informed you are, the worse you are. What will you actually see is the people on Twitter are the worst. And if you're on Twitter, you know, this full fledged. Yepp, the most nasty, most garbage, least unifying people are all the checks on Twitter, which is why when there was that bizarre hack of Twitter, all the blue checks disappear.


People were like paradise. It was a tavern. This is fantastic. The that is a real problem during election year and obviously gets a lot worse. I think that's majority of Americans are in the middle and just want to be left alone. Americans are by nature, kind of moderate and mainly want to be left alone. But very few people are representing those interests. So that is the hope. It used to be that I thought that the hope for the country was an informed population.


Now, I think that the hope for the country, maybe an uninformed population, if the people who are actually informing them are lying to them. Right.


So if that's what you think, when the schools shut down and the colleges shut down, you say great people are never gonna be better educated than when they run. Exactly.


I mean, like they're saying, we're going to shut down all public schools. And I think to myself. So the 16 19 project won't get taught this year.


So homeschooling will come back. So how long schooling?


If you are just joining us, by the way, we are taking your questions. I assume you knew that because that's what you can see us doing that.


But you can only get your question answered if you go and order a signed copy of Ben's brand new book, Out to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps. Head on over to daily wired dot com slash Ben. And you can order your copy there. Alexander from Fort Worth, Texas, wants to know, what would it take for you to put your full support behind the Libertarian Party? OK. Check Curser.


Should I not curse you? You can go blue. It's OK. You ready? You ready? They need to stop being a damned show. That is the answer. OK. The Libertarian Party is a show. I'm sorry to break it to you. And your Libertarian Party convention features a man dancing around in nude. A fat guy with an iron like an iron cross or like they or like that. Well, I. You know what that was?


That's not good. That's not good. It seems to me that last time around get the two most unpopular candidates in American history. And you ran Gary Johnson, who then proceeded to earn a grand total of like six percent of the vote. How does your libertarian candidate not win 15 percent of the vote when Hillary Clinton is running against Donald Trump? So the answer is you need to nominate somebody who's not obviously crazy. You need to stop running a party is a scam because it seems like a scam.


Frankly, it seems like everybody who's donating money to the Libertarian Party is donating just enough to the Libertarian Party, never gets audited, but not enough to deliver and party ever actually does anything in elections. And then you need to have an actual platform that doesn't alienate the vast majority of Americans by focusing in on mandatory pornography and such like just stop it, stop it.


But they should hire you as a consultant because those are simple fixes, you know, but it would it would help the party quite a lot.


Jhana from Rensselaer, New York, wants to know what are three words conservatives should live by.


That's a very specific quote. That is that is onomatopoeia. Pandemonium. In order now, the actual the actual the actual answers. Number one, gratitude. Because you start every all of us stand on the shoulders of others. I too, would be humility, which is connected to gratitude. You have to have humility with regard to both your own greatness in the history of the world. And three would be, I think, courage. You have to have moral courage to stand up for your rights in the face of an overwhelming sometimes.


Fight to to invade those two great point people.


Forget courage is the prerequisite of all the virtues. You've got to have that one if you're gonna do any of the other ones. Next question comes from Tim then. A lot has been made in the media concerning the number of police officers signing up for retirement at record numbers. I'm sure the numbers are up, but are more telling. Statistic would be how many people are signing up to become police officers. I was recently told by a member of the Indianapolis Fire Department their current application process had over twenty one hundred people sign up while the Indianapolis Metro Police Department had only 200.


I would bet the application numbers are down across the country.


Why would anyone want to take on what has become a completely thankless job?


I don't know that there's much of a question in there as much as a realist isn't. That's right. I mean, we had a caller to our show. Maybe we can a half ago called in who was in the latest class of NYPD and his father and his uncle. I think maybe his grandfather beat NYPD members, Hispanic guy, and who had apparently internalized as white privilege because you won't be a cop. And he and he said that he was slated to be part of that NYPD class and cancelled the class and they just got rid of the entire entering class for the NYPD.


I mean, I'm talking to cops all over the country. They're all looking to retire. I'm talking to people all over the country who thought about being a cop and are thinking, why would I possibly do that if they do want to be a cop? They're looking at moving to sort of small town America where people actually still like the cops and treat them decently. It's it's a thankless job. You're about to see this prime rate. You're already seeing it.


I predicted it the minute it started. You'd see the crime rates skyrocket. They have skyrocketed. They will continue to skyrocket because the dumbest thing you could possibly do is remove cops from high crime areas. It is the stupidest thing you could possibly, possibly do if you actually care about black lives. This is why when Terry Crews said to Don Lemon, when Don Lemon is like Black Lives Matter and Eric was like all black lives matter and dominant down there was like, what do you mean?


Jerry is like, well, if you remove all the cops, a lot of black people get trans element. Like we're only talking about police brutality. That's why Don Lemon's an idiot. You're right. He said it's in the name. That's right.


That's the name. Rick lives all black. All right. Yeah.


It's really, really tough gig these days. And unfortunately, we're all going to suffer as the numbers go down. Next question from Sandy, Ben. I have a few questions. I hope that you bought a few books. I hope so. Like multiple.


I have three kids, but their schools or maybe not. I don't open rent to pay myself to homeschool. What do you think about Lacy Johnson, who is running against Illinois? Or should Republicans and conservatives send support to more moderate Democrats to help oust radicals like Illan? And if so, would you throw your weight behind an effort like that? Sure.


Anything to stop El-Hai Ngoma from being in Congress would be it would be a positive effort. Ohio MA is a terrible person generally, and she is horrible for the country. Her perspective is bad for the country. And so anything that helps get her out of Congress, I'm very much into it. Listen, I know there are a lot of Republicans like we love Illinois, our being in there and AOC. And it's great because they give us something to do.


A foil doesn't they? Give me something to talk about. Like, that's that's true. But it turns out that I'd rather have fewer things to talk about and a less insane Congress filled with crazy people. Yeah. So, yeah, absolutely. If you can support ousting Omar from within. Go for. I think that's a good thing. It's a worthwhile cause.


That's the thing is, you know, we're playing a kind of a dangerous game by pushing up these people like Yohann Omar or so we want to keep her there because eventually, you know, she might be the majority. That's the problem. Or something like this, isn't this. And she's moving in that direction. I mean. Yeah. She's moving in that direction. She will eventually be a high ranking member of the House and then she'll be Wolke scolded by the new woak.


Right. I went AOSIS 50. Then she'll be treated like Nancy Pelosi is treated by AOC.


Right. I guess that's something to live for. Yeah, I think so.


A question from Aaron. Another Aaron man from Fort Worth. His. It's strange that all of these people are named Aaron. No, I. My question, if not earth, is it strange that all of these riots and protests or the lack of control in these states and the lack of control in the states is making a conservative like myself want big government step in?


No, because this is a key point when we say we are in favor of small government. We are in favor of government not invading our rights. But the precondition to rights actually being effectuated is law and order. The whole reason we have a government in the first place is to effectuate your life, liberty and property that cannot exist absent a system of civilization. That system of civilization has to be guaranteed by force because you can't have people invading your life, liberty and your property willy nilly.


That's not the goal of small government. The goal of small government. It's not really about the size so much as it is about the function. Right. Limited government is a different thing than small government. Small government is the idea that the government should be just small in size. Government is the idea that government is limited to certain functions and within those functions, government needs to do its job. So absolutely should want the government to step in and stop rioting.


That's absolutely a thing that you should want.


This is an amazing meme that I've seen come up in recent days from the left is they'll say, oh, you want the police to arrest criminals. I thought you were a small government conservative, roasted conservative.




People dropped on their head as children from Sandy. No, not Sandy. She has to bellow from Matthew. I them with all the discussion of schools not opening in the fall. Why are conservatives raising their voice to the government to open up schools over using this as an opportunity to take back academia? Wouldn't this be a good opportunity for conservatives to take back education? Thanks.


Love the show. Keep up the good. Yes, this is it. Is it? And it's happening. So I think that both. The answer is both. And so we're we're we're all paying taxes for the good schools to be open. It's kind of absurd that we pay taxes. Should schools be other than the schools aren't open, then we pay more taxes like that. That's a ridiculous thing. But conservatives are using this as an opportunity to grow educational opportunities.


I think the big problem right now is that there are certain that the system is not built to hold enough people yet. And even more incredibly, in places like California, they're trying to shut down the ability of private schools to open. So. So Gavin Newsom has basically given order that if the public schools don't open either can the private schools, which is him basically saying that even if the private schools have the resources to open, which many of them do.


Right, they actually have people for teachers and they have methods of separating out the kids far enough. And all of this, which, again, schools are not going to be cheap vectors of transmission. That's just not what the data show.


But the governor here basically said, well, we well, we don't want is the is the private school students jumping way ahead of the public school students. So basically, everyone can continue to be ignorant. That's that's a great idea. I mean, there was an article in The Washington Post by a teacher today suggesting, you know, maybe we just have to change our standards when people can read because after out, after all this delay, maybe you just let him.


OK. So the New Age when you read is nine, and that seems like not great for the kids. And I was under the impression the school was for the kids, not for the teachers. But apparently I'm wrong.


You were very wrong about that. It's all about unions. I mean, that's that hasn't been about the kids and oil.


From Chris Darebin, gun rights question for you. I can see the way the Biden campaign is going. I'm not a gun owner yet. I like that yet. But I'm working on educating myself on what my legal rights are to become a legal gun owner. Regarding the Second Amendment, if Joe Biden becomes president, what changes do you think would happen related to the Second Amendment? I'm unsure if his actual position, given that he just caved to the radical left on climate change, among other things, can cirilli, Chris?


Yeah, I mean, certainly the Gulf at the federal is all up and down again, which is the most useless piece of legislation ever devised by man. It had zero impact on mass shootings so far as most studies show the and overall violence and also had zero impact. The E. I assume that he would go for some sort of limitation on magazine size. He's talked about this fairly openly. I assume that he would try for a national gun registry.


Want to close the so-called gun show loophole, which is not a gun show loophole. It doesn't. There is no gun show loophole. If you buy from a third of the licensed firearms dealer, you have to go through the federal process for buying a firearm. If you buy from a friend or family, it's a different thing. That in order to monitor those sales, you'd have to have a national registry that is updated upon every single sale, which means the government knows who has guns, what kind of guns they have and where all the guns are.


Which seems kind of dangerous. But Biden would push for that. Those would be the chief things that he tries to push for. And then if you really wanted to go for broke and he'd wait for the first mass shootings that he could use, that mass shooting is an opportunity to get things done because unfortunately, let no good crisis go to waste. It'll be a tragedy. And he would use the tragedy is what unfortunately too many Democrats do. Then the move would be OK.


We want mandatory gun buybacks and that would be the sort of final straw. People would challenge it in court. And then you are now reliant on Justice Roberts to stand up for the Second Amendment. So I'm a good luck to you there. Yeah. And we'll see how that goes for you.


And I think that's pretty why gun sales are spiking through the roof right now. People see down the line from Steven in Reno, Nevada. I'm an aspiring writer, but I struggle to find motivation. What keeps you going? I'll do this. A really hard question. So in the last few weeks, because everything has been going on, I already finished my book. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna write some fiction. I've started like five different fiction projects and I can't get further than about five pages in.


But when I wrote. Look, knock this thing out like seven weeks left. So if you find something that you're passionate enough about, then the writing will come. But you actually have to be passionate about it. I realize that. I'm just not true. Right. Andrew Klavan can sit and he can write fiction and it's workman like for him. And he enjoys the process. I enjoy writing, but it turns out I just don't enjoy writing that.


So you have to find the thing that you're hot on enough that you can actually last long enough to actually do the whole thing. But then you have to treat it like a job the way that Drew does or the way that I did with this book gift actually slide out time in the day. You're going to write for two hours. Doesn't matter if what you write ends up being crap. You have to make it a regular part of your day.


You can't wait for the artistic inspiration is right.


Yeah, that's it. Is funny how Drew does it. He will like like any nine to five. He will go and he will lock himself in a room and whether some characters come out or not. You know, that's that is sort of the job. Less inspiration and more more technique probably from Bobby, your Ben. What is the difference between mob rule and democracy?


So the only difference between mob rule and democracy are the checks and balances the founders thought about. Right. So the founders were very clear. They didn't like their democracy. This is obvious from the Federalist Papers.


They worry deeply that democracy and mob rule end up being the exact same thing as Aristotle essentially says that democracy ends up very often being mob rule, which might be no better than the tyranny of one monarchy, might actually be better, in Aristotle's view, than democracy, because mob rule is ruled by the passions, whereas at least occasionally you might have a tyrant who actually is sort of a philosopher king in all of us.


But the founders weren't happy. This is why they like checks and balances. People who talk about pure democracy, we live in a democracy. Why? We have the Electoral College and the Senate of the United States. Why do we have federalist systems of subsidiarity? Why do we do any of these things? The answer is because pure democracy is scary. I'm frankly amazed at the left now coming down in favor of pure democracy when when pure democracy was applied without checks and balances in the Jim Crow South.


It was applied specifically to keep down a minority. The problem with a pure democracy it is, is mob rule. Mob majorities overruling minorities is extraordinarily dangerous.


That's right. You see the left. Now, today, they'll be chanting. This is what democracy looks like while they burn down buildings. I think it's a good advertisement for democracy. Next question from Khara from New York. Dear Ben, statistically speaking, what percentage of Americans do you believe represent the silent majority? If you believe in the silent majority in favor of President Trump or the term Senate majority, meaning a group of people who can't speak their minds in fear of being persecuted by the WOAK mob.


So I think that there are people who are not islands and that's like thirty percent of the population. And then I think that there are the Wolke liberals and their allies and I think it's probably thirty five percent of the population. And then I think there's all the rest. And I think those are people who just want to get through the day. And if that if by that you mean silent majority, then I agree. And this is why it is almost a political sin that the president has not made it easier for them to vote for him.


Yeah, because they're there. I mean, they're they're begging for somebody to champion the cause of leave us the hell alone. The problem is you have to be non-toxic in order to do that. If we non offensive, because right now what we're watching is people are going along to get along. They each want to live their lives. And if there's nobody who's standing up and not only standing up, but standing up in a way that doesn't alienate them and make them feel dirty, then they're going to cave to the Wolke mob.


And that's kind of what you're watching right now. You know, it's funny because I think some of us, we always like you know, when President Trump's in the throes of battle, we would like the tweets. But I do. I talked to my grandmother and she will often say, like, why is he got that scowl on his face? He's got a smile. He's got to be a nice guy, you know? And I think she probably represents that matters in a lot of women, particularly suburban women, really do not like him.


And again, I, I like the fight when the fight is proper. Trump is a great fighter, but, you know, wildly throwing punches is not quite the same thing as a strategic jab and right.


Cross from. Oh, no.


That's what he's saying. Howdy Doody from Colin, also known as Audi. I have noticed that many sports teams have started to cave to cancel culture. However, as far as I know, the NHL has not caved in regard to mealing and changing the name and logo of the Chicago Blackhawks. Why do you think this is? Do you think it's because of the majority of hockey fans being in Canada from column?


A lot of no. I mean, first of all, the majority of NHL fans and on Canada. But but I mean, there is an idea that the market really dictates what a lot of these teams are doing. So if you're the NBA and you have a disproportionately black constituency and you believe that your black constituency really likes the Black Lives Matter movement, which by polling data they do, then virtue signalling at at those vans and making them Uber fans Uber consume and then figuring that you might lose a few people, that most people are still going to stick around.


It's actually not a bad marketing strategy. It's actually fairly smart. Right? You see the same thing with the NFL. NFL is making a riskier bet because more of their fans are white than the NBA is fans, probably by percentage. The NHL is an overwhelmingly white fan league. It doesn't have a lot of people of color who are fans of the NHL. And so for them, it would be kind of a foolish move to alienate people who buy poll data, tend to be less friendly to particular causes.


So I think a lot of this is just pure market dynamics at work. You know what I think it is? It's hard to Kneeland skates. So I think that's the real people don't talk about the physics of this whole thing.


That's a that is a. An interesting point, too, on just how the market is working here, and so, you know, sometimes it doesn't give us the things that we want. But that's that is what is with corporations kind of caving to the Wolk's.


And you ask, why are they doing that? And the answer is because nobody else is is fighting back on the other end. You know, inevitably what that means, that people will fight back on the other end and things will get real ugly real quickly. Right.


Right. From Joseph in Helena, Montana. What is that photo hanging on the wall behind Michael? Oh, I get one.


Yes. Oh, it's pretty. Yes. Okay, so I have two of these. So the artist's name is Heuser. OK. I saw this first when Mike Lee did a did a speech on the floor of the United States Senate and he describe this exact photo, but he didn't actually give Arafat credit, the guy. So I looked it up online and I contacted the artist and he sent me a print of this of Ronald Reagan writing a velociraptor carrying the American flag.


Reagan is carrying a rocket launcher on his back while firing what appears to be a submachine gun. Well, I have another one. If the camera actually were able to move, you'd be able to see it. It is George Washington holding an eagle behind him. It is the American flag. And he is holding a mini gun in his other hand with the chain across his shoulders, standing atop what appear to be the bodies of Terminator's and or zombies.


Well, because Muraoka Maarika I met my decorations in this office are pretty spectacular. I have a bunch of flags I've gotten from various battalions I've won from the state of Texas. I've, I've a lot of good stuff in this office. There are no out advisers work. It's, it's really, it's hilarious and good and you'll enjoy it. Those photographs are really amazing.


Well the tattoo ended up Lincoln is also pretty good, right? Yeah, that's also that's also Heuser.


Another another great photo from Laura. Ben, you have spoken many times about the positive nature of gridlock in the government and also recently mentioned the possibility of having Biden as president and Democratic majority in the Senate and House. Got me thinking about how the presidency and V.P. used to be determined by first and then runner up votes rather than running with a running mate. Can you explain why this changed in the early 19th century and if it would be good to reinstate for the sake of that gridlock?


Thank you for your insight, Laura.


So I'm trying them when they exactly change that. So it was obviously a hotly fraught thing because you ended up in one election with Thomas Jefferson as president of the United States in what Aaron Burr is the vice president and they really didn't like each other. And you ended up with John Adams as president and and Jefferson ended up being the vice president. Correct. So so everybody was like, this sucks. If I die, my worst enemy is taking over.


And so they amended the Constitution. They changed it so that the V.P. was not elected from the same party, but that from the from the opposition. It's a good move. I mean, you don't actually want. You want a recipe for assassination. Imagine that Donald Trump was president right now and Hillary Clinton was his vice president. Just a minute. First of all, it would be hilarious. Right. It would be so much more fun. But presidencies of Donald Trump being Epstein would be extraordinarily high.


That's the thing. If you if you really believe the rumors, you know, or really anybody. Right. If you if you were one heartbeat away from the presidency and that the person who's president is your mortal enemy, then he will be your mother.


I will say I think the same dynamic applies if Joe Biden picks Elizabeth Warren. Right. Like they're walking around Biden's dasha and they're just walking down some steps and suddenly the cane is gone. And I think, you know where to look them up.


That's not too far from Reggie in Kansas City. In your opinion, Ben, who are the greatest American artists, including musicians and writers and painters and everybody?


OK. Greatest American artists. So greatest American writer Twain Hawthorne, Melville, probably be the top three. Not necessarily in that order. Greatest American painters. I will admit, I'm not as familiar with painting as as I should be, so I will I will kick that one to it. Maybe else has some ideas on that one. Yeah, I've got.


I consider myself Thomas reincarnated painter. Yeah. You know. You know, Thomas Kincaid always said he was the most controversial artist in the world. Every one of those little chimney's having smoke coming out of it. Really beautiful. Yeah.


Bob Ross, as played by Steven Crowder, but the greatest American musicians. So there is two categories right there. Composers. And there's musicians. Greatest American composers. Gershwin Copeland. As songwriters, you have, say, Irving Berlin would have to be up there. Rodgers and Hammerstein Hammerstein did the lyrics about Richard Rodgers would have to be up there. Stephen Sondheim would probably be Leonard Bernstein would be up there. And then, you know, people who like rock and give me an answer on the rock bands that then in my purview.


Yeah. That's I guess you throw Elvis in there maybe for the rock guys or something. Yeah. Although, again, he didn't really write a lot of zone stuff. He he really sang other people's stuff. So if you're going to do great songwriters trying to think he'd be the great songwriters, great American artists, great kind of. Great. You know, there's a bunch in in sort of different fields like Fred Astaire obviously comes to mind, is a great American artist, and he really falls neatly into any of the categories that you just said.


Right. But Louis Armstrong, great American musician. Latin jazz. Latin jazz. Art Tatum. Great American musician. Oscar Oscar Peterson, great America musician. What a lot of great jazz artists and jazz creators.


There's a lot we could be here all day talking about liquidator con artist Terra in Atlanta, Georgia. Why is it that the speaker of the House is so high in the line of presidential succession? It doesn't make sense to me that a legislator should succeed if the executive branch goes the way of the dodo.


I'm tried. Just look this up the other night. I'm trying to remember when they're so there are several. There've been several different succession acts. The latest one, I believe, was in the 40s. And the goal was that you didn't want the president essentially picking every single person who would be in the line of succession. Didn't want him picking people based on who he thought would make a good president. You wanted him picking them based on whether they gave a good opinion or not in the field they were in.


And so you made it so that the speaker of the House was third in the line of succession. But it's controversial that time remains kind of controversial. Now, obviously, if something bad were to happen, God forbid, to Trump and Pence, Nancy Pelosi as president of the United States and good luck with that gang. You know, it's not great. I'm all for pushing the postmaster general up a few notches. That guy gets no respect. I think it'd just be like we should have, like, a set address.


Yeah, I guess there's a Senate race in Idaho or something. Just living there becomes that person. That sounds great. I'd vote for it. Probably work out better than a lot of our elected officials. Absolutely.


Slightly from Mason in Texas. I feel like Make America Great Again was in some ways a slogan that could be seen as offensive and off putting for millions of Americans that have not had it great at times in our country. If you were running for president, what would your slogan be?


Who? So I thought about this. I actually have. So one would be noble, right? That would be that would be one slogan, because all politics is bullshit, right? It's it's it's pithy. And I think it gets to the heart of things. And the other one be solve your own damn problems, which which I kind of like because first of all, all cursing is good. But beyond that self, your own damn problems kind of sums up my philosophy, because the truth is that I feel like that's kind of an inspiring message, meaning that most of the problems in your life are problems you are capable of solving.


You don't need me to solve your problems if you need me to solve your problems. You've effed up your life worse than I probably have the capacity to fix. Solving your own damn problems basically says you live in a free country. And you know what? Like together we'll clear the ways that you can solve your own problems. Like that's my pledge is to make sure that you have the opportunity to solve your own problems, that nobody stands in your way through any sort of legal violation.


But in the end, the greatness of the country is that you're supposed to be able to solve all your own damn problems. That's harsh, but it's empowering.


That is, say, some classics like Jordan Rocks and Over. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I mean, your room lobsters from. Good day, Ben. I am a 21 year old living in Oklahoma due to the recent SCOTUS ruling half of the state. If I read, if I read correctly, will eliminate the ability of U.S. officials to properly exercise their criminal justice activities, including chasing criminals or investigating crimes in what is now half of Oklahoma, including Tulsa.


Yep, including Tulsa, including the big, big place in Oklahoma. I'm wondering how concerned I should be for my safety in the state now after this decision.


Apparently, the native tribes are going to cut some sort of deal with the state government and they will make it so that the state can continue to police. Because the last thing that I think a lot of those Native American tribes want is control over Tulsa for policing. I think they really don't want that to probably it'll end up being like, OK, we'll lie to police and you kick us the money. We'll probably build that deal. Looks like. But I wouldn't worry too much about it.


I don't think you're going to find yourself under tribal sovereignty in Tulsa. In the end here. Yeah, but, you know, it's a bad ruling and the bad ruling.


And Justice Gorsuch has some weird ideas, man. Yeah, that guy. It is amazing. I felt after all the decisions, you know, there was the transgender one and the doctor wanted. People didn't pay enough attention to Gorsuch giving away half of Oklahoma.


Yeah, I'm kinda just like. And by the way, it's a bad decision because no one for basically one hundred years argued that this was not part of Oklahoma. Yeah, right. You said that there was a conflict between the original kind of treaty and then practice for 100 years. But the notion that you can sort of go back and reinterpret the treaty, they have been accepted for 100 years and then be like, yeah, Tulsa now belongs to this tribe because of the treaty that happened a hundred years ago.


It's pretty major upheaval, it seems like.


Yeah. Can you imagine all the work? It's an action I have since it you know, in essence, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the position, but I can, Kaney. I hear that one better than me, than the stupid civil rights active, right? Yeah, I know. It is impossible. That was just bizarre. Right.


Yeah, it was. It was been a tough few weeks on the court. Elaine from New York says, Wants to know if you were to have a Thanos. They know what A.S.A. is, kenosis that you can tell the Marvel Universe. I'm a real hip guy.


As you as you guys know, if you were to have a Fano style retirement away from politics, writing and all public appearances, what modest occupation and or hobby would you pursue the murder of half of humanity? Literally, Dennis is saying that literally what Dennis does. No, but they are being killed on my farm by the in the first five minutes of the sequel. But spoiler alert.


But the. Well, I don't think you could do a spoiler alert after you have retroactive spoiler alert.


So I. I get to do a lot of the stuff I love right now. I mean, I love writing. I love writing. I probably pick up a couple. I pick up a chalice at a P.A. and maybe play some string, some string trios. Our panel trials. I would take up cooking. I would take a painting back Winston Churchill. I just sit around and get fat and be Debbie. Pretty exciting stuff. I would travelling's if nobody can ever travel again.


So that's which which is sad. Like I was planning on travelling with my wife and in our old age and now it'll basically be let's just rotate among the rooms in our house because it's never going away.


But, you know, getting fat and painting, that's pretty. That's not a bad life. That's pretty good life. A good life. Joseph from Staten Island wants to know, I understand why the left is so intent on keeping Lockdown's in effect and businesses closed. However, I'm unsure about what is to be gained by keeping schools closed. Any insight would be helpful. This is a New York City nurse over here. Huge fan. Thank you for your voice and explanations.


So, first of all, thanks what you do, because being a nurse is a really rough job, especially this time of year.


So, you know, as far as the school is, I mean, the answer is they want to please the teachers unions. It's really the only answer because the the schools being open, there are a lot of reasons why as left as well, the schools open. You want to make sure that there is not some grave inequality that exists between private schools and public schools. You want to make sure that parents can actually drop their kids off at school and then go to work.


You want to make sure that social services can make sure that no abuse is going on. Like, there are a lot of reasons why even if you're on the left, you want the schools open, it really has to do a lot more with pleasing the teachers unions than anything having to do with the children. A frame from Florida when approaching a new topic or issue. How do you sift through the multitude of sources which are available on the Internet?


Which sources do you prioritize? I'm asking because many times I'm at a loss as to how I can inform myself on issues which I have had no previous exposure to.


So what I'll tend to do is try and find two people who are in conflict. That's usually not too hard. Usually if there is, this happens allowing foreign policy. So in American policy, there not a lot of issues that sort of come up that I haven't thought about because. No, honest, I have been I've been doing this for literally half my life at this point, more than half my life. I'm now thirty six years old and I started doing this and I'm 17.


So it's been a long time. But when it comes to foreign policy, every so often I'll be like, what's happening in Saskatchewan? And I have no clue what's happening in Saskatchewan. And so what I'll try and do is I'll try to find like somebody who really hate somebody and I'll read both of them. They'll be like, OK, you know, what's policy on Ukraine? Here's a person who is really pro Russia. Here's a person who's really pro Ukraine.


I read both of them and I see which one I find more convincing. And then I'll take a look at their reading list. I'll see if maybe there's a writer on their reading list who in the past I've agreed with, because maybe that's indicative of underlying values. I'll read that and I'll read the opposite. So I try to get both sides, but it's usually not hard to find two people who really don't like each other writing on a particular topic because they'll they'll name check each other and then you can at least get a well-rounded view before you make a call.


This is great advice. It's so much it will stand you in so much better stead than just trying to find some guy exactly in the middle because that you see that guy doesn't exist, you know. Yeah. It's very good advice. Look at the opposite opposite point of view. Chad from L.A. says, How do I respond to my friend who claims that the phrase law and order is racist? You stop talking to them because that's stupid. I mean, seriously, there is no comeback to law and order is racist.


If an order is racist, then what is anarchy? Non racist. But then it's not racism. What what absolute utter stupidity. The idea that a phrase has been used by racists in the past, but also by non racist in the past, does not make the phrase inherently racist because it turns out most phrases in human language have been used by bad people at some point or other. The idea that you are in favor of law and order while people are looting the local CBS doesn't make you a racist, makes you a rational human being.


Right. When when you think of the like discussions in our whole civilization of law and order for all of history, racism is not the first thing that comes into your mind. Pretty crazy stuff from T.J.. Hey, Ben, what is the best thing that average people can do to effectively stop people from destroying cities who are, you know, or just who are being generally unreasonable if it's to ignore them? How will that help stop the destruction of property or violence?


Well, I mean, the best way is not to ignore them. The best way is to elect people who empower the cops. And then the second best ways to empower the federal government to step in. I mean, ignoring ignoring people who are committing actual crimes is not a good way to stop crime. It turns out that ignoring your kids when they're being little jerks is kind of an effective way because they're looking for attention. But some of these people are not looking for attention.


They're looking to steal things. Yeah. So. So ignoring them, stealing things. Just incentivize them to steal things that, you know, in the end, if people refuse to defend your property, you end up having to defend your property yourself.


Just hope they live in a jurisdiction where they not prosecuted for it.


Apparently not Missouri.


Yeah. You got to pick carefully these days because things are things are in motion. Heath from Mississippi wants to know who are some figures on the left that you truly admire? I think this could be the topic of our next blank book. The figures I really admire.


So I will say that there are some liberals who I think are at least interesting. Some of them appear on on that Harper's Weekly ones. So John McWhorter is of the left. I think he's a liberal and he writes on racial issues. I find his writing really interesting. I think that that Yasha Monk is probably a little bit liberal leaning. I find his stuff pretty interesting. Barry Weiss is at the center. She really is not a right winger.


Or they castigate her as a right winger because that makes their narrative easy. But but she's not on the right, really. And she's interesting. Jonathan Height is probably probably identify as a Democrat. And Jonathan Height is is fascinating. There's some old school kind of liberals who just disagree with me about taxation. But like data analysis, Jesse Single is one of them. Jesse Single is right for New York magazine, but actually cares about data. So he's kind of fascinating that there there's some that are out there that I admire.


If they're willing to stand up to the left out, admire it more, if they would publicly actually have conversations with me instead of doing the what I call the Happy Birthday text thing. Right. I'll text you happy birthday when it's your birthday. But then publicly they'll be like, no, happy birthday. Why? Because they would acknowledge that I'm a human. Yeah, I get that. I don't appreciate too much. Yeah, there is. It's amazing.


Sometimes I get so many of those do it I can't even tell you.


Yeah. I have so many folks on the left and in Hollywood and in real positions of power are like Happy birthday man. I'm like, don't say it publicly. Don't do it. Don't do it.


It's really nice when when people like like you enough to be nice to you off camera, you know.


But and then as soon as you get a jet lag, they're nowhere to be found. Yeah, it's really wonderful.


Yeah, it's really great. Last question. Can you imagine a last or last question from Talia in Maine. What do you hope that this book will accomplish?


So I'm really hoping that this leads off the re education of the American population about our foundations. I think that we have been absolutely neglectful in discussing the complexities of American history, but maintaining that America was founded in 1776, not 60, 19. I think that we've been neglectful in inculcating certain cultural values, not just, you know, a belief in social institutions, but that attitude of adventure. I think we've been remiss in doing that. I think we've cultivated instead generations of people who believe they're owed things.


And I think that when it comes to American philosophy, we haven't really explained why the declaration is good. We just assumed that it was in the air and that just by breathing the American air, all this would sort of adhere to us. That's that's not the way that this works. And so what I'm really hoping is that people read this and they come away with renewed understanding of exactly what people who wish to destroy the country are doing and also why the country is worth defending in the first place.


Go get the book. Unfortunately, we are out of time. But if you got here late or you weren't able to catch us alive, you can still get an autographed copy of How to Destroy America in three easy steps. You got a daily wire dot com slash, Ben, that is daily wire dot com slash. Ben, thank you. Always to everybody for joining us. Thank you. Everyone who ordered their signed copy. And if you didn't.


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