
A Great Week 11, Burrow vs. Herbert, Allen vs. Mahomes, Rodgers vs. Father Time, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
The Bill Simmons Podcast- 157 views
- 18 Nov 2024
The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Chargers surviving an incredible Bengals comeback, the Bills snapping the Chiefs' win streak in what turned out to be the game of the day, and the Lions making history while becoming the Super Bowl favorite (1:50). Then, they discuss a super physical Ravens-Steelers game, Jets-Colts, Bears-Packers, Patriots-Rams, Falcons-Broncos, Saints-Browns, and more (23:44). Finally, it's Guess the Lines for NFL Week 12 (1:02:55), before discussing Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul, and closing the show with Parent Corner (1:21:48).
Host: Bill Simmons
Guest: Cousin Sal
Producer: Kyle Crichton
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Coming up, probably the best football day of the year. We're going to talk about it next. We're also brought to you by the Ringer podcast Network. New rewatch was coming on Monday night. We did the Replacements, the Keanu Reeves football movie that has grown on me a lot over the last two and a half decades. Van Lathen joined me. Then afterwards, we tape something for the Ringer Movies channel as well because The Rock had a movie coming out, Red One, that we knew was going to bomb, which it did. But we did a whole thing about The Rock's movie career and just what happened. How has this movie career not been better and why our expectations so low for every movie that The Rock is in. You can find that on the Ringer Movies channel as well. You can find all the videos and clips from this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel. You can check out theringer. Com as well. Great website. A lot of good stuff going on at The Ringer lately. I hope you're checking out Todd McShay's new podcast, too, which was going live on YouTube on Saturday nights last couple of weeks, during college football, as stuff was happening.
So great to have Todd aboard. Great to have Jacob and Goldsbury aboard as well. I hope you're listening to Mismatch because Jacob and Vernon have been Really, really funny together. So there you go. On this podcast, Cousin Sal is going to join us like he does every Sunday night. It was the best football day of the year. We broke it down live on YouTube. You're about to hear it. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. Mike.
Mike. Justin Herbert is throwing In such rockets. I thought Elon Musk was living inside his bicep. That really did.
Mike, I got no fluids left in my body. I got no fluids left, Mike.
If they show those commercials with someone making dirty tacos again, I don't know what I'm going to do outside so far.
I don't know what quarterback I like more, Mike. What a game. Chargers, bangles. I tweeted this with two minutes left. We've seen exact Chargers game before. We've seen that exact bangles game before. We're taping this at nine o'clock. The game just ended. It was just who's going to do what they do better? Are the bangles just going to blow a completely winnable game and kick themselves after? Or the chargers just going to have a massive choke in a game that seemed over at halftime? I really didn't know until McPherson lined up for 51. I was like, he's not making this. It's not going in. But then, Justin Herbert, much maligned, not a lot of clutch moments for Justin, made some big throws, won the game.
And he's lucky, too, because you texted, you're like, I'm going to torch this mother effort. He loses this game. Something like that.
I'm I was about to throw that. I was like, I'm going to fucking get it.
But no, I went through my Justin Herbert progression, too, as a fan. You know how quarterbacks go through their progression, tight-end, slant, curl? Okay, I'll throw the screen. I went through the whole thing like, Oh, my God, look how great he is in the first. How did anyone ever compare him to a two? He's the best. This is ridiculous. They're going to upset somebody in the play-ups, too. What the hell is he doing? How does he throw seven incomplete passes in a row? He's crushing us. He's overthrowing McConkey, and now he's back to being great, I guess.
Well, huge fumble. Yeah. He was really running around like he used to a couple of years ago and enjoying the studio space. And then he had that fumble. When he fumbled, for anyone who says that momentum doesn't matter in a football game, That fumble was like, Oh, no. Here we go. I mean, this game had five momentum swings as it was going. So we had that fumble and then just sailed it over Mokunki's head, who was wide open. But then he made up for it on that last drive with some big plays. Is that a better win for the Chargers or a worse loss for the Bengals? I'm actually leading toward worst loss, right?
They're all like this, though.
They're four and seven now, the Bengals.
I know. They're done.
But they're not done. The KFC, they're not done.
I know, but every game is like this, right? You know what? They're just a great sparring partner. That's basically what they are at this point.
Oh, I like this. They're like Razoretic.
Yeah, they are. They're going to give you their all, and they're going to come up short or they're going to win. But they can't put together three games in a row, I don't think, where they went. I haven't really scoured their schedule, but I guess I'll take a look here.
What is it going to be? I'll do it right now.
They're going to get tripped up somewhere.
The question is whether it's 10 wins or nine, because Right now, they're somehow four and seven, where they have terrible loss this week, tail end of the game. Baltimore, week 10, terrible. Baltimore, week 5, terrible. Washington, week 3, KC, week 2. They've had basically five either or games, and they lost their 0 for five in the either or games.
They have to sweep the Stealers as I look at it.
Five week next week, two with the Stealers left. They have at Dallas, at Tennessee, home Cleveland, and home Denver, week 17.
Well, that's it, probably, right?
They could get to nine. I don't see 10. Ten means they run the slate the rest of the way.
So the Broncos would be the seven, right? That's the one we're eyeing for the seven seed. So that might be for the seven seed. But I don't know, are they really going to beat the Cowboys?
Of course they are. Afc play picture. Yeah, they're four and seven. Miami is four and six. Indy is five and six. Denver is six and five. Chargers are now seven and three. It's going to be that Denver, Indy, Cincy, Miami. One of those four is going. And Cincy is the best team out of those four. It's not close.
It's crazy how good they are. How is this team not going to be in the top seven in that conference? And then I think I look at it from a fan's perspective, we got to get him in as a football fan. But I also look like, I want a shitty team in the seven-seed I could bet against. And this wouldn't be them. Denver might be at some point.
Hinch has already locked down Pittsburgh Two Seed, Denver Seventh Seed as the Shakeys Saturday first playoff game of round one game.
Oh, you think? Yeah.
Russell Wilson, Bo Nicks, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin. I don't know if they'll be able to top that for the Shakeys game.
Didn't the AFC South sign a 12-year deal with Shakeys? They're in till 2038 or something.
Like Notre Dame with FBC?
Yeah. Whoever wins the AFC South and hosts that four or five.
That would have to be Tampa, Washington or Tampa, Arizona.
I guess Tampa, Arizona would be tough to beat. No, AFC South. I was thinking AFC South. I was thinking Houston and...
Oh, I don't know.
Who would be the five? Houston, Baltimore, I guess.
Houston is going to be a three seed, probably, right?
Are they?
No, four seed? Oh, yeah, you're right. Buffalo, Pittsburgh, KC. Yeah, Houston's the four seed. It could be Houston Chargers or Pittsburgh, Denver for Shakeys. But we're getting ahead of ourselves.
That's fine.
This was the day we talked about the kicking was too good. What are we going to do? Should we move the uprights closer? And then today happened where it just kickers all over the place, just murdering teams, including McPherson in this game with two long ones where a couple of years ago, it looked like he was Justin Tucker and waiting. And then today, he missed a couple.
He still looks like Justin Tucker.
Yeah. Yeah. That's not why they...
Except the new version of Justin Tucker.
Now, he looks like Justin Tucker right now. But that's not why they lost. They lost because they fell behind 24 to 6 and dug too big of a hole for themselves. It's funny, though, when you watch them, when Higgins is playing and he's missed four and a half games, and they have Chase on one side and Higgins on the other side. It really is one. And Chase Brown, who I think has been really good this season. And you watch and you go, Man, how do you stop these guys? It just feels like it's eight yards to the side. Anytime they want, they can go deep. Even When they miss the deep throws, they just miss them. I don't know. They just seem like one of the best five offenses to me. I don't get it.
Then the chargers did, too, though, right? I don't know. Look, I'd suck as a coach, but you and I were like, Why aren't they running the ball? Run the ball a little bit. Herbert obviously doesn't have it for this 20 minutes segment of the game. Give it to Dobbins, who's the fastest guy in Southern California, and see what happens. And we saw.
Dobbins was 11 for 56, and Edwards was 6 for 27. Then Herbert ran five for 65. But yeah, both of those guys, Dobbins and Edwards, were four and a half a carry. Dobbins ripped off that last one for the winner. But I was thinking the same thing because I know the receivers have overachieved for the chargers, but it's still Will Disley. It's still Ruky McConkey. It's still Quentin Johnston. It's still Josh Palmer at a huge drop on the second last drive. One of the weird things, the chargers were dying to give this game away. They got the They gave the ball back with what? 145 left after the missed field goal. You have to run on first down to kill some clock, and they don't. They just threw it three straight times. They gave the ball back in 13 seconds to the bangles, and then the bangles couldn't do it anything either. But some of the clock management was bad. I usually think Harba is pretty good at this stuff. Zack Taylor is not. I usually have confidence he's going to do the wrong thing. Now we're going to lose middle seat Doug tomorrow. Zack Taylor is going to move up the what the fuck are you doing rankings, I think.
Interesting. He's got to keep middle seat Doug in a job there. Yeah, that's going to be fun. That's done, right? I don't know where you want to jump around to, but that game.
Yeah, I have a spot for them. We'll get to them later. So best Collinsworth He had that one where Burrow scramble out and did the Houdini thing and then hit somebody, and Tariko finished his whole play-by-play for another eight seconds. And Collinsworth can just hold the laugh now. It's almost like Richard... Who is the Tantric sex guy? Sting? Yeah, that's him. It's almost like how Tantric sex people can hold the orgasm. Collinsworth can just hold it. Tariko finishes and then it's like, Mike, Joe Burrow just made That's the greatest play I've ever seen.
That is the greatest play I've ever seen, Mike.
That's a spectacular play. Spectacular.
Yeah, he's good. I hate to brag on him because I really enjoy it.
No, I love Collins. We have to. This is all out of love. We love It's worth.
Yeah, we love you, Chris.
By the way, speaking of anunciors that we've had fun with, I've had more fun than you, but I thought Romo was really good today, too.
Excellent.
He had a couple of rocky ears there, but I thought he was excellent today. We had good anunciors today.
Just a lot of little things that people don't appreciate. But when Mahomes went to the line of scrimage and was definitely not going to draw them off sides, and he's like, he's overacting. When a quarterback overacts, they're just letting the clock run out. They're not going to run. It's like, yeah, you're right. Why didn't we I got to check that up? Yeah.
It's a big picture with this chargers team because I think they needed one of these, feeling good about themselves. They're only giving up 13 points a game. How good is this team? They needed a nut crunch game, and they got That's for damn sure. But big picture, they're not going to catch the Chiefs. They're in the hunt for the five seed. And I think you want the five seed this year because you get to go to add Houston in round one, which is, I think, way more palatable than going to Buffalo or going to Pittsburgh/Baltember. So I think they can get to the five seed, right? Did you see anything today that made you worried about them other than the fact that they almost choked away an 18-point lead?
So you would say, well, they would get there. Wouldn't you think it's either Pittsburgh or Baltimore in the five?
I don't know. They have the same record as Baltimore now.
I guess they have the same record. They both have four. Baltimore is four. No.
Baltimore is eight and three. Chargers are seven and three. Yeah. Okay. And I think Baltimore is a harder schedule down the stretch.
Yeah, it's all a mess there. I agree. And yeah, they're going to go on the road. But the biggest takeaway here is they had fans.
They had fans there. We said last week we were like, well, here's the one game where they're not going to have fans. That was about as loud of a fan base as we've had in LA, right?
Yeah. I feel like there's no way to quantify it, right? But I feel like their approval rating goes up each week at home.
I was impressed. I was impressed by the Bengals that they had that many fans. I don't really fully understand it.
Yeah, that's true. That's true, too. But the chargers. They're coming there to see Harba.
But for the chargers, it's good to I almost feel like you're tested because it really did feel like the crowd was loud in the second half. I like this Chargers team. Khalil Mack didn't play today. I like that they can run the ball, and I think that's what they'll probably learn from Big Picture is maybe run the ball more. I found the bangles. I don't know how Zack Taylor survives the season. This could be another job that's open. I was thinking, it's a pretty interesting Belichick job. He's going to get one of these jobs, It's an interesting Belichick job. It's a really interesting Brable job. But, oh, Steelers are eight and two. The Ravens are seven and four. I fucked up. So the chart just have a better record. That's what I thought.
Yeah, well, he did Cleveland, right? He did Cleveland before. Belichick, right?
So he could do Cincinnati. He's not going back to Cleveland.
No, I'm just saying he could do... He loves Ohio, clearly. I think this is definitely the best spot for him, but it's not... I don't know. It's not the offense. It doesn't really matter. Get A bit of Luana Romo, who, I don't know, has been inconsistent for years now.
I don't know what that defense is. I'm just saying if you're going for wins, if you're Belichick, if one of the reasons you're coming back is to break the record.
No doubt.
Burrow is the best quarterback available because otherwise, you're looking at Trevor Lawrence. You're looking at whatever the Giants do. You're looking at whoever the hell the Raiders QB is going to be. So the big game of the day, this was an awesome football day. I would say this was the best start to finish day we had, right?
For sure. And it gets bad. It gets That gets a little lean next week. But yeah, I love this. They were like six good matchups, I thought.
What was great was no London game, no Germany game. So we just were able to start off hot with some really good games. But then Bills Chiefs became the best game of the day. And I was thinking because the Bills pulled it out and it was a really good win for them. I think beating KC, is it the most impressive thing you could do in a regular season in any sport right now where the fans are the most excited? Like, we beat Blank. They have to be the mountain, right?
I think so. I mean, it's so exciting. I read, I don't know if this is true, fans were jumping on through tables before the game, even before it even started. Outside, yes, in the parking lot, this was happening. Yeah, but the problem is they beat them in the regular season before, right? Last year or maybe even twice. And then they... Kansas City has just got that, Try it in January chip, but it's going to be a lot easier if they If they get the one seed, and this brings them closer.
I think it's a little more special because it was their first loss in its week 11. Sure. You hang that one on. But I did write down, and I was texting with a Chiefs fan who predicted this early in the first quarter. Not nick Wright, another Chiefs fan. Okay. Little Milton Burlish performance from the Chiefs today. Obviously, they want to win. They're trying to win. But I don't feel like they brought out the kitchen sink. Like, Kelsey was two catches, eight yards. They really were trying to get worthy involved to see what they have with him. They're trying to get Hopkins involved, trying to run the ball a little bit. But for the most part, there's another gear for these guys, and the gear is Kelsey. It's not like the Bills were like, We've taken out Travis Kelsey. There's games where they put him in the garage, and we've talked about it the last couple of years, where it's clearly Travis is in the garage game. This is a Travis is in the garage game. I think if this is in January, he has eight catches for yards and a bunch of first downs.
I was looking at the box going, you're probably right, because it really doesn't make sense. Because I look at it, aside from Allen, they had 49 yards rushing, right? And they still won time of possession by eight minutes. And the defense was very good. They allowed like 260 the whole game. So I don't know what to make of the Chiefs. I was waiting for a bad call towards the end there, but that was a ballsy call by McDermott. They likely lose the game if they go up five and kick a field goal on the fourth and two? They went for it or even more.
Fourth and two. They're up two. It's a little long for a field goal, and I don't think anyone watched it in the game or in the building thought Tyler Bass was making that field goal. No. So they go for it. And it turns out to be a signature awesome Josh Allen play. But we make fun of coaches all the time. I thought it was clearly you got to go for it. Romo thought the same thing. And then you just put... That's what Romo said, I think, before the play. You got to put this in Josh's hands. You have to let Josh decide the game, which is what they did. And he ends up coming up with a signature play. But it was a tough one for everyone who had the Chiefs in a tease.
I was going to say, he didn't have to beat him by nine.
It was just brutal. I had multiple teases in real life, million dollar pics. Shio Capadia, our guy, tweeted after the game, 124 Mahomes games. How many times has he lost by more than eight points?
I know it was 19 before the last No.
More than eight.
More than eight?
More than eight points. Fifteen. Five. Jesus. Wow. That made me feel worse about my two thesis. Not even early. I had them with Pittsburgh. I had them with Denver, Detroit minus two and a half. God.
We needed it. Of course, I had it, too. But 30, 24 will be all right. Kc needs two scores. It'll be a soft Buffalo defense. They'll come down, they'll kick a field goal. I don't know who was kicked. Butker sat out, which is such a girly thing to do. Good thing he's super secure. But I don't know what they... I thought we were going to cut it to six and we were going to be all right, but we didn't get there.
You know what happened? This is how you really know the game didn't matter for the Chiefs. Mahomes had that huge scramble to the 30 when they were down nine, where they could have either tried to go for a TD or kick field goal, called back, flag on the play, holding on the Chiefs. It was like, oh, my God.
Yeah. Wow.
They called a penalty in the Chiefs in a crunch time moment and pulled back a Mahomes play. We've made fucking history. And then Chiefs fans get mad when you bring this up, but it's just a fact. Those things never get called for them ever, but for some reason that one got called. And that was it for our team.
But both things could be true. They're a great, great team.
A great team that gets crazy calls.
A dynasty, potentially, and they get calls at the end. Yeah.
I mean, their whole dynasty started out with the D. Ford, where they lose to the Pats. That was against them. And since then, that was against them. And since then, they've had some good ones. But Buffalo, you mentioned earlier, 19 carries for 49 yards. I thought big picture. I said this last week to you, and it's a weird point to make. Good loss for the Chiefs, as weird as that sounds. Get that undefeated thing over with. Now you don't have to worry about it. Just get through it. You don't have the pressure of it. I still I feel like that 07 pats, which I wanted them to go undefeated. I'm not saying I would take that back. That was so much fun. I love that season. But they're better off if Baltimore beats them in that Monday night game. The whole season is different in a good way, and I think they probably win the Super Bowl if they lose that game. So for the Chiefs, it's fine. They're going to go 15 and 2, 14 and 3, whatever it is, they're going to win the AFC.
You just don't want to lose that one seat, right? Where do you think the one seed is more important? In the AFC or the NFC? I think the AFC.
I think in the NFC, it's almost a wrap at this point with the choice schedule. I think they'd have to have five more injuries. I don't think it matters much to the Chiefs because it feels like they could just go and win anywhere, right? I think it would matter more for Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh got it, when you think how crummy Russ was today, and they were still able to pull one out, I feel like homefield is mandatory. I'm not even positive. We'll talk about that game later. I'm not even positive what they do for the quarterback situation going forward because the rest was not great, but Fields comes in. Keeps winning. Fields comes in and slides a yard before the marker in a game that would end it. Additional thoughts out of this. Are the lines They're officially the best team now. I think they are, right?
Well, according to Fandle and the odds makers, this is not only the first time this year, the first time ever they're favorite to win the Super Bowl.
Is that true?
That is true. I wouldn't make something Was that one of our FanDuel people told us that? No, I'm just looking at... Oh, no, I saw it. I saw multiple people reported it on Twitter, but they're plus 420, KC plus 500, Ravens plus 650, Bill's seven and one. First time ever. They've been playing for 309 years.
We have not a small amount of lines futures.
No, right.
With the one seed, with the NFC North, with the conference, Super Bowl matchup, best record, So the better they do with that. Yeah, so Detroit's plus 420, KC is 5 to 1. Baltimore plus 950 on fan dual or 650.
No, 650.
650. Buffalo, 7 to 1. Eagles, 9 to 1. And then the Niners are the six team right now, 14 to one. I don't understand that at all.
They're not even favorite to win a division, but they're.
Yeah, I don't get that. Plus, when you watch them, they're not passing the eye test either. So who's the MVP favorite then? Because We'll get to Lamar after the break, but it wasn't like Lamar was lighting on fire. Josh Allen, now the MVP favorite, plus 150. Lamar's 2 to 1 because he sucked today. He didn't suck. He didn't suck. Tucker missed two field goals.
Lamar was fine.
He didn't suck. Stop it.
He didn't suck. We're talking about January. Lamar is back. I asked you, do you think at halftime, the players have wished him a Happy New Year because Because it's January all over again for that guy.
Is White Lotus starting? Yeah. Yeah. It was January. Lamar was in rare for... Mahomes is 12 to 1 to win the MVP at this point. Justin Herbert at 25 to 1. Not interesting. If they ran the slate. I'm just thinking for long-shot bets.
Got to be a top 2 seed, which is why I think like Jared Goff, he had that pitiful performance last week, but I think he went out and said, Hey, I got five interceptions last week. Can you get me 14 touch downs today?
Can we score in our first seven drives?
Can I climb back in this race? Everyone just be open. And they were.
We're taking a break for the podcast. Pittsburgh, Baltimore. You mentioned earlier, January Lamar is back. Chris Boswell, fantasy MVP today, six field goals. He had 25 points in our league, prompting Hinch, our buddy, to I have a connipption about field goal kickers and should we just eliminate them from league and all that stuff. I got to say, I actually like having field goal kickers.
Oh, you do?
Yeah, I do. I do. I like it.
I like not having to worry about it But Hinch, to be fair, when McBurrow has 46 points, he wants to eliminate quarterbacks, too. So he all over the place. But it's lucky. But we could have guessed that exact score, right? It was either going to be 18, 16, 18, 17 or 1918. Only three options, really.
So perfectly scripted. All the Stealers scores are scores that sound like they were a world war or an American war from the 1700s or 1800s. I wrote down 2024 Steelers, the most likely team in NFL history to win 18 to 16. It's the most Stealers-y score you can get. So Russ, through a red zone pick that was among the worst passes of the year, that felt like it was going to flip the game. It did not. He was two for nine in the red zone for seven yards.
When he escaped that sack, he had to escape a crazy sack to get there. I was like, Wow, that's 2014 Russ. And It's like, Oh, that's 2022 Russ right there with that interception.
That's post-COVID Russ. They're 8-2, and their defense was really good today, even though they got some help with the field goal kicking. But The Russ thing combined with only really having one receiver, I just worry about them in January. The fact that they're 8-2 with all the Pittsburgh, I have a bunch of futures for them. It seems like they have a really good chance to win the division now, but just big picture. It just feels like they're not going to be able to get to 20 points in a playoff game like this. It feels like 18, 19 is probably the limit for them, right?
Well, is there any scenario where he's not the worst as a quarterback in the AFC playoff?
Oh, now that Bo Nix is looking like he's coming out of a sports movie. This is a big one for you. You have a lot of Bo Nix stock.
I think he tightened that offensive rookie of the Year gap there. Yeah, I He definitely did. It was something interesting before we move on from Baltimore, Pittsburgh. Burrow nine touch downs against Baltimore combined in two games. Didn't walk away with a win. Steelers had no touch downs today. He definitely did.
I don't think so. No touch downs.
It's a fun league.
Russ was 23 for 36 for 205, but it's that second receiver thing. So Pickens was 8 for 89. Every week, he makes just an unbelievable catch that you just can't believe. Number 2 receiver was Washington, 2 for 42. Freyermouth was 2 for 14. Calvin Austin was 1 for minus 1. Skoronic was 1 for 4. And that's it for their receivers.
Yeah.
And at some point, that's going to come back to bite them. But their defense was great. That Queen got an awesome, awesome, awesome turnover for them that they really needed. And I hate to say phrases like this, but they have Lamar's number. He's one and four against them now, and it feels legit, right?
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. This is the team Lamar doesn't want to play in the playoffs. I think he's going to get his wish, too, and he's going to have to do on the road because they can't beat him. But Henry didn't go for 115 either. That was another thing. This defense is damn good when they need to be, but they really do have to figure out the quarterback thing. I feel bad for Tomlin. When fields is sliding, you mentioned it, the thick white 40 stripe is the first down, and he's sliding like two yards short. It was like a Johnny Knoxville fail video or something.
There are two running backs for 27 for 104. It felt worse watching it. It felt like they were having trouble getting unlocked, but they moved the chains enough, I guess. Justin Tucker. Defense is great. They didn't get defense, field goal kicking, good special teams, home field advantage for a couple of rounds. They're going to be heard from. I have a lot of questions about them winning on the road, though, with what we've seen from us the last two weeks. And Fields isn't going to be any better than that. All right, next one. Oh, Speaking of that game, RIP, Justin Tucker as the guy you were afraid of for big kicks. We already knew it was coming, but today, it cemented it. I'm afraid of him.
If I bet the Ravens, I'm afraid of him. But I guess last year, he was Maybe not just as bad, but really bad from 50 plus. So they can see the writing on the wall with this guy.
One other thing, the Christmas game, one of them on Netflix is Pittsburgh, Kansas City, which we were talking about last week, maybe not mattering if KC had this crazy record, but now it's probably going to matter. And that is suddenly an amazing Christmas game. If they're separated by one game, it's going to be the opposite of Mike Tyson against Jake Paul.
That was pretty good. I don't know. I don't know what you were watching.
We're saving that. Just for people listening, Sal and I will be talking about that fight. We watched together. Yes, we did. We did watch together.
Yeah, that's a good one. Our family is going to hate us on Christmas. We're going to be glued to that one. It'll be good.
Stealers. Yeah, I felt like my family already didn't like me that much on Christmas, but I feel like this could be a ticket to the next level. Another game that really jumped out that was awesome, San Francisco, Seattle.
This is the one I killed me. What?
You killed me. San Francisco?
Of course. On a money line parlay all over the place. What do you mean? Oh, no.
They had it. Green Bay was my money line parlay that felt like it should have lost and miraculously won, which we'll get to. But yeah, Gino, seventh game-winning drive in the fourth quarter OT since 2023.
How did they do that? I know Bosa went off and they were helpless, right? But how about contain Gino a little bit? He shouldn't be running around like 2006 Michael Vick, right?
He's wide open on the runs, too. Nobody's there.
They only blitzed him once today. I don't know if they're going to keep that up. If Shana had... Yeah, they kept it up, and he just went for whatever he wanted. Could have run through the end zone.
I really respect Gino, the confidence he has after it goes right for him, how he behaves after. Yeah, right. He's really, really a lot of charisma about it. And it's like, but what about those 10 terrible throws you made earlier in the game and that fumble or the internet? But all of it gets wiped away in the crunch time. It just does through.
And yet That division is crazy. Crazy.
So we have not only the year from hell for San Francisco, but we're now in a situation where Arizona is six and four, and the other three teams are five and five in the NFC West. And it feels I feel like that division is sending two teams. You think so? But the shocking. Yeah, I think so.
So who's out then? Washington or Green Bay?
Detroit, Philly, Minnesota, Green Bay, Washington, Arizona, Atlanta. Oh, shit. You're right. Come on. So somebody have to take Washington's spot. But I feel like somebody could take Washington's spot. I mean, they're seven and four and should be six and five, and their arrow pointing down. Yeah.
They do play the Cowboys.
Do Do you feel any difference between Washington, Seattle, San Francisco, and the Rams after watching football for the last four weeks?
San Francisco is going to be the team that's maybe not that good that I'm going to hold on to, and I'm going to keep bet. I'm going to figure out a way to bet them in the second round of the playoffs, even though they were eliminated two weeks before.
There's no more dangerous football team than the team that you keep waiting for them to figure it out because you know how much talent they have. And then it's week 19, and you're like, Oh, they're not in the playoffs. And they went five and twelve against the spread this year. I had them in nine of the twelve games they didn't cover.
You shake me in my sleep, and I'm like, McCafree's back. Macafree's back. Like, Yeah, it doesn't matter. I can't beat anybody. Arizona is favorite now, the one in the division, plus 100. Niners, 270. Seahawks, five to one, and the Rams, five to one.
When do you think Arizona was favored to win the division the last time? Oh, that's a good question. Carson Palmer, 2013-2014 range?
Yeah, so after Wanda. Earlier? Yeah. Yeah, right in there. That's a good question. San Francisco- You have the easiest schedule. San Francisco is like, what? You're about to read it, but six of the last seven are dog fights.
Yeah, well, the bigger problem is they're one and three in the NFC West. Yeah. The worst record, and they only have two games left. But they got at Green Bay, at Buffalo next to. Home Chicago, Home Rams on a Thursday. At Miami, home Detroit, at Arizona.
Those are all rough. I mean, I thought that last game would mean something, but it really might not... It might be wrapped by then for them.
So they'd have to go five and two with all those games? You go through all the West, the NFC West teams, and really the only team that seems to have a semi-easy schedule is Arizona.
Yeah.
And their next two are at Seattle, at Minnesota. Not exactly easy, but at least they have home Seattle, home Pats, at Carolina, at the Rams, home San Francisco. There's a path to go four and three for them and get to 10 wins.
Yeah, they're the only ones with Panthers on their schedule, I think, right?
I could see you texted me on Monday with some NFC West division bet that we'll probably do, and then a week later, we'll have a different team. It'll be done. We'll just keep betting that dumb division over and over again.
Well, here's the thing. So Seattle and the Rams are similar in that they're going to kick you in the gut if you sleep on them, right? But then if you bet them, they're going to lose. They're going to come back from the dead, and you're just going to lose your mind trying to catch up to which zag they're on or zigging or not.
I 90% agree with that. And yet when I watch Seattle sometimes, I'm like, Why aren't these guys better? I think Kenneth Walker is good. I think their receivers are excellent. I think Gino could move the ball. I feel like when they're down four with three minutes left, I feel like they can actually go down the field and score. I felt like that, too. Which how many things would you even say that about?
Holding a 49ers parlay slip. I felt the same way.
A couple more games that really stood out in a delightful day. Detroit, Jacksonville was beautiful because there were eight games early, and this one allowed Detroit to immediately come off a TV. I had the multi-view on the big TV. I had Green Bay, Chicago by itself, and then I had the other TV with the three games. Detroit, Jacksonville just got to up.
I left it on because I wasn't sure if they were going to escort Coach Middleseed out or not. I didn't want to miss that.
Getting fired at halftime?
Yeah, just pull up in like some... It's just like a hearse and just card them away. My goodness.
Here lies Coach Middl's seat. He beat Belchick and braided in a Super Bowl with nick Foles and then became one of the worst coaches in the last 10 years. There's no reason to it. Then It's reported yesterday that this is probably his last game. So he's dead man walking. And Jackson responds by giving up touch downs on their first seven drives against them. And lose 52 to 6. I'm going to say he's going to get fired tomorrow.
The GM needs to see you. Bring your boarding pass, please.
You're in row 27B on Greyhound, by the way.
You have the middle seat on the bus back. But you know what they should do? Because he has that statue outside of Philly, right? Outside the stadium. They should have to punish him. They should have the guy who did Dwyane Wade statue redo his statue. That should be the FU for this miserable, miserable Jacksonville team.
My God. Well, this could be Bellachex next team.
Yeah.
We've talked about a new stadium coming. I guess it depends how excited you are about Trevor Lawrence. We have learned that Mac Jones, maybe it wasn't just New England's situation. He just might not be a starting quarterback. What was the tweet we saw about all the big spread lines bets that hit?
Oh, the escalator thing? I could find it.
Sometimes I wonder if that's the thing that we're fucking up the most out of every year on football and just identifying who the best team in the league is. And they always win at least three games by 30 points. And why aren't we just playing that? Because Because you could have taken lines over Jags plus 30 and a half, whatever, and all of a sudden that's 12 to one. And all you need to do is take one of those and it covers 12 weeks of bets.
So, yeah, minus 27 and a half plus 520 minus 32 and a half, 10 to one, minus 38 and a half, 20 to one. If you bet the team total adjusted over 44 and a half, that was 850. Yeah, we missed out on a lot of free money. They're damn good.
Colts Jets. You know, Rogers has a Netflix special coming out in December? It's like the last year with Aaron Rogers.
I'm waiting for the joke.
Go ahead. That is the joke.
Really?
You think they were thinking, Oh, this will be good. The Jets will be good. And then we'll drop this Rogers thing. Does anyone want to hear one minute of Rogers at this point? Do you think McAfee wants to talk to him for an hour? Who wants to hear from him?
If you're You're ever going to have buffering issues, that's the time, Netflix. Go get it.
Try to get the same buffer guy from the Jake Paul Tyson fight. Use it for your... He just looks like he doesn't want to get hit anymore. And it's the final stage of Q We've seen it a lot of times with other guys who used to be good. And that last stage where they're just getting rid of the ball before somebody dings them, that's it. It doesn't come back. I know you're like a pig in shit right now.
I won't do this every week, but just let me... Or you can cut it out of the pocket. I don't care.
No, we're not cutting it out. And plus we're live on YouTube. Go do your thing.
They have eight losses. They're not going to go over their win total, which is nine and a half, which I thought was preposterous anyway. I mean, my team sucks, but I knew the Jets weren't going over nine and a half. They can't make the playoffs. So a couple of numbers for you. Winning percentage is Jets starter. Zack Wilson, 364, Sam Darnal, 342, Aaron Rodgers, 273. Sit down, you phony. You let New York to believe you could lead them to the playoffs and the fraud of all frauds. You brought all your friends in who couldn't catch a pass. You got the coach fired. Somehow the best defense in football isn't excited to play for you. Now they're middle of the pack or worse. There's got to be some accountability. There's got to be. Of course, there's a personal stuff where he alluded to the idea that my cousin was on the Epstein Island flight log, and the list comes out, and he, of course, wasn't. But the guy Roger's likely voted for was. So classic, classic douchebag. And now we're going to see a phantom injury in the next couple of weeks. So how's that for a conspiracy theory?
You like that? Wow.
What a rare. Sorry.
Take it. Take it smart guy. He's so damn smart, so well-read. He's got to tell us all about it all the time. What's he going to do now?
I'd be surprised if he played next year.
Next year, he's going to find something to sit out next week, I think.
Oh, you think it'll be the calf strain? Yeah. They're worried it could be a come a torn Achilles if he steps on it wrong again. I don't even know who their backup is.
They could blame the bad field there at MetLife, whatever's next.
Well, didn't they give up a third-round pick for Adams?
No. Was it third? Was it three?
I think it was. That might be one of the top six picks of the third-round.
Yeah, good.
I love it. As I've said many times, I have a kinship with the Jets fans because the Pats and the Jets were the two sad sacs of the entire AFC for most of the 30 years of my life. I think we were wired the same way DNA in a lot of ways. Then the Pats fans life changed, the Jets fans did not. But this was like, honestly, this two years of Rodgers, it was almost cruel starting with him blown out as a He always immediately, and then all the other stuff. I just can't think of... It's one of the worst free agent, I guess it was a trade. It's one of the worst veteran acquisitions in the history of the NFL.
And they fell for it again.
And The F. They're trading assets to help them, and they're firing people and everything.
He had everything laid out for him. And Shane Stei can try to blow that game today.
How many times? Can we talk about that? Let's do it. I asked Lombardi. Lombardi is the master of the nicknames. He came up with the Clapper. He came up with this jockey, Mike McCarthy. I was like, What's the Shane Steigen nickname? And he texted us back. He coaches like he's playing somebody online in Thailand. So we were calling him Thailand Shane. The guy I'm playing on Twitch stream went out in Thailand. So anyway, Thailand Shane. I think The key thing for him is that there seems to be... I was thinking like he's in a dark room just shouting at plays and doesn't know the score, the downs, or the situation. He's just like, E-ride, 45. He has no idea what's going on. The best of all of them was the two-point conversion with Richardson. They go up by one, they need the two points. Touch pass. Yeah. It's like, I wonder if Richardson can wait for a guy to cross the middle and then loft a beautiful touch pass. I'm like, I am positive Richardson can't do There's no way.
It never happened in practice.
There's no way this is whatever. But at the same time, Richardson, which is what makes him so interesting, he can't throw a four-yard screen pass. He has no touch on a pass like that. And yet, he'll rifle a 25-yarder perfectly or He'll nail somebody down the sidelines or he'll run around and he looks like giant Cam Newton. And you're like, this guy is clearly something. He's not a bust.
Yeah. But how about you recognize that Shane Steaken, right? You're with them all week. You don't just inherit them at 1:00 PM Eastern on a Sunday, right? You see the limitations and everything else. And it's like, fit them in where it's... I don't know. I don't love golf, but you wouldn't use a sand wedge to hit a ball that was 10 feet from the hole, right? Just figure out where he works best. And they eventually did. It took a minute, but they won.
Yeah, it went ultimately. Lombardi's podcast is the GM Shuffling. I'm sure he's going to talk about this tomorrow. But one thing he said, then I'm going to steal, but I'm giving him credit. He calls the game exactly the same, whether it's Flacko or Steiken. That's what Flacko or Richardson. That's what Lombardi said. I was like, That's such a great point. You have Richardson, you have this massive guy that you would think you could run You could be draws with. You could roll him out almost like a giant fullback like he's Bronco Nagrski, and yet they're running these goofy plays. I don't get it. I support the benching from a couple of weeks ago because I really thought Richardson looked terrible, but obviously, they worked his confidence back.
What's their record now? Because they're yes to make the play-off.
I thought they were five and six.
They're only plus 148 to make the play-offs. They don't really scare me.
They're five and six. Basically, the case for them would be- They must have an easy schedule, but I don't even know what that would look like. Well, there's two pieces. One is they're a game beyond Denver. Do you trust Denver? The other is they're only two games in the last combine, Houston, who keeps losing guys and just seems like they can never get all their guys healthy at the same time and haven't been that impressive to begin with. Houston's six and four. They've scored 224 points. They've given up 226. So maybe the odds factor into that. Frustrating game.
I guess they have a couple of easy ones. They play at Denver. That's another one. Denver is going to have an interesting way of controlling their own destiny here. They have the Colts and they have Cincinnati.
Let's take one more break for the podcast. A couple more quick games, bears, packers. So, Caleb was good today.
Yeah.
And they changed a lot about him. He was getting rid of the ball a lot faster. I thought he was way more involved, just as a quarterback and a leader, and he just seemed like he had more energy. I thought they outplayed the packers. I would be alarmed if I was a packers fan because you should have lost. You didn't lose because the bears drove down inside what? The 30. Iber Fluss just decides to... I want to be careful here. I'm going to try to play for the outdoor 46-yard field goal. The bears fans all hate Iber Fluss, and this is why, because he does shit like this. He's just not a terrible game management coach. But I thought they should have won. I'll go further, Sal. Chicago, they lost that Tennessee game in week one that I think you bet on.
Yes, they did.
Right? Oh, no, they won that game.
No, they won. They won. I won against Caleb Williams in his first game.
Yeah. So they lost that Hale Mary game. They lost someone today, so they could at least be six and five. Sure. Maybe it evens out with that they shouldn't have won the Tennessee game. I don't know. But whatever it is, their record should be at least one run better.
Yes. And I really think... I mean, that Hale Mary really spoked a lot of... I don't know. What do we call? The Haunted The Curse of Caleb, The Windy City Whisperer. Really, I don't know, The Ghost of Shane Waldron. That really... And now nobody blocks on field goals, field goal attempts.
I would say The Elmari was almost like the whole team had a car accident. It was like a dramatic event.
It's like, Hey, get over it, guys. It was three weeks ago. But there's also the part of it where, what did they lost? Eleven in a row to Green Bay. Eventually, they had to be like, All right, we got to get By the way, they shoved this rivalry down our throats, the league does. The greatest in football, even though you and I can't remember a good competitive game that we cared about between these two in the last quarter century.
But I think the reason it's special is just because the teams have been around since the 19th house or whatever the fuck. That's it.
I'm not saying I agree. We can't remember any good game from that.
We had a great Matt Lafleur moment in this game, too. I wouldn't have called this a chess match today. They have first down and goal from the eight. They're trying to score to take the lead late in the game. Somehow it ends up being fourth and six. There's still, I don't know, 10, 11 minutes left. Kick the field goal, cut it to two, try to get a stop. No. He goes for it on fourth and six, doesn't get it, and traps the bears at the one-yard line. But unless there's two minutes left in the game, it's just idiotic. There's no other way to say it. That's just idiotic. It's so hard to get a fourth and two, much less a fourth and six. You're basically hoping for a pass interference or a defensive breakdown or some gimmick play that the play broke down, your quarterback rolled out and created something. I just didn't think Green Bay deserved to win that game.
For the most part, you got to take points in these rivalry games, right? In the division games. Again, the rivalry, whatever. But in division games, we saw the Steelers do it against Baltimore. And you don't have to be super careful, but it would have helped the 49ers, a lot of these teams.
I thought the packers had a chance to be better than maybe they're going to be. Yeah. Kind of given up on them a little bit. But we have seen around Thanksgiving, somebody comes out of nowhere in a sense heading in the playoffs. Can't rule them out because of their talent. But I think it's been... It's a disappointing... I thought they had a chance to be the second best team in the NFC, and from what I'm watching, I don't see it.
Well, it's two, right? It's like, Oh, they It should be better. But also, if you live predicted their fate after Love went down in Brazil. True. They're like, How are they going to be? They can't be seven and three, and here they are.
I texted Kyle Brandt in the first half because Caleb really did look good. I was like, Caleb, exclamation point. And he's like, Don't worry, we're going to lose late. He's a bear's fan. There's no question we're losing late. And that's what happened. Amazing. Speaking of coaching scared, Gerard Mayo, the Pats yet again lost the game that they probably could have won. The play calling was... You're upset by this? I thought we were doing better. No, because Drake Bay is really special. I feel like if you had just switched quarterbacks, we would have the same result. Maybe he would have done better. But there's a thing on ESPN about all the coaching mistakes, not going for a fourth and goal, doing a P-A-T instead of a two-point when it was 28-19, et cetera, et cetera. Then this is what the article says, Such decisions are always easy to second guess, but none worked out for the Patriots. Mayo has said he's taking notes throughout his first season and plans to learn from his experience. This game presented multiple decisions from which he can learn.
Wow.
It's week 11.
Yeah. This sounds like something if you get an F on your report card, you come home and tell your parents, I'm taking notes, though. I'm going to kill the amateur next semester.
I think my son said this last year when he was struggling in the 10th grade. Hey, I know my grades are bad, but I'm learning some good stuff.
He may have over here, Ben Simmons. Yeah, I think that's what happened.
It's so fun. Kyle and I were going nuts because they just don't... Here's my advice for the Patriots, if anyone for the Patriots is listening. No, I'm sure they aren't. Go and watch the 50 most successful Josh Allen plays and the 50 most successful John Elway plays. Just study what those plays were. Then run some of them for Jake May. Because every time he rolls out to his right, he can throw it across his body in the middle of the field. He can zing it down the sideline. He can throw it deep. He can take off and run. Any QB draw with him, he's dangerous. The teams are so terrified he's going to take off. They hand off on every first down. It's like we have to start out, so it's second and nine or second 11. That's a must. The Receivers. At one point, he was 10 for 13 with three drops. All of his receivers suck. They spent a second-round pick on a guy who all he does is get a false start whenever he's on the field. Meanwhile, McConkey went nuts again today. But it's just like they have this incredible asset.
It's like watching a team that has a diamond and they're fucking playing Thanksgiving catch with it outside.
Yeah. Wow. This is more biting than my Aaron Rodgers' eulogy.
That's frustrating. I think Jake May is really good.
He really is. This is going to make feel better, but at some point, talent matters. And not his, but the supporting cast. And that's why the Rams were so good. Puka Nkula almost broke both of his elbows making that crazy catch, that first countdown. And also, I don't really care because that was my best bet, the Rams minus four and a half.
And you somehow fucking covered your son of a bitch.
Yeah, baby. Somehow, we have two touch downs, nine and two on the year. Best Handicapper on TV, radio, podcast, YouTube.
Mcvay said, he looks like a stud. Blah, blah, blah. You can just see the impact that he has on his teammates, the way people talk about him here. He looks like he's going to be a special player for a long time, and he gave us fits today. Thanks, Sean McVay.
You're in a good spot.
Why do you want to go- We're in a great spot.
You want to go seven and 10? You want to go eight, nine? No, it's the perfect...
My dad said that today. It's a perfect outcome. Jake did enough good stuff to make you feel great. The team did enough terrible stuff to end up losing the game. Perfect. There you go. Bronco's Falcons, Bo Nicks since the beginning of October. Only two picks, 13 passing, touch downs, over 60 energy yards passing. He was awesome in that game today.
Well, didn't it seem like Some of these teams, they wear these uniforms and it's like, Oh, man, they look so fast. Denver was getting... He was hitting these guys in stride. There was no doubt that they were open. Is Atlanta that bad? We know that's a junk division.
Atlanta might be bad. But my God,. That was my favorite pick of the week.
That was good. I just think the Falcons, whatever their record is, it could easily have been three wins, worse.
I think the Broncos, I've said this for weeks, I think they're the good, bad team. If you put another mediocre or worse team in front of them, they're probably going to win. That's a really nice bounce back for them after what happened last week. But here's my takeaway after watching that game. Can you guess what Atlanta His odds are to win the NFC South? I think I might have seen them by accident. Is it minus 400 or something like that? They're minus 550 to win the NFC South. Yeah. Look at Tampa schedule. Tampa's five to one. Their schedule is super easy down the stretch, right? Yeah, I saw that. By the way, New Orleans somehow is four wins, too, with the clogger. The clogger is two and out. He's the best.
He's unclogging Cleveland all over the place. So Tampa is at the Giants, at Carolina, home Vegas, next three. Look at those three. Wow. So that could be... They could have seven wins in three weeks. Keep going.
At Chargers, at US, home Carolina, home Saints. They give us six and one. We're betting this. Let's do it. We're betting on Tampa five to one. I said I wouldn't bet the NFC South. I said I wouldn't do it, but I guess 12 weeks is long enough to hold out there.
This is like Seinfeld, the contest. How long can you last without betting the NFC South? Panics came in and it was super exciting because Cousins looked like he was 130 years old. I thought that was the dumbest line of the week.
So two weeks in a row as we've done guess the lines, and there was a line, and I was like, That's absolutely the addict. So I wonder if that happens again this week.
I'm going to bid even more money.
I think you're right because two weeks ago, they had gotten blown out by the Ravens.
It could have been easy for them to pack it in, and then they lose on that dumb field goal to the Chiefs, and then they just light it up today. But yeah, they went over their win total of five and a half already. Two weeks ago, Cardinal's Jets was the dumbest line.
So we'll see if we have a dumb line this week. St. Brown's. So Jamis is 21 and 33 in his last 54 starts. Did you think that would be better or worse?
I might have been wrong about him. I thought he would turn this franchise around. 21 and 33?
He might not be a winning QB. Yeah, I got really excited about this as a revenge game, and the Saint should have started him nine weeks last year over Derek Carr, but no, that didn't really matter.
You can't screw with the Klogger.
Klogger is 55-31, outscored his opponents. He's the only undefeated coach in the league this Take that in a great- Clogger's got great energy on the bench, too. Yeah. Definitely better than... What did Lombardi call him? Thailand Shane? Thailand Shane, yeah. He's beating a 14-year-old in Madden tonight. The Klauger is mad. He wants to be called Plunger, but no, we're sticking with the Clogger. Sorry.
This Tate Some Hill fantasy conundrum thing is weird.
What's a conundrum? How many times he gets picked up in a year?
He's eligible for a tight-end and suiting up as quarterback. We've never really figured this out. Runs the ball. Yeah. Random stuff really quick. Why don't teams QB sneak anymore? What happened? The chargers, Herbert's 6'6, and they want QB sneak with them on first and goal from the one. He's 6.
What did he not convert two QB sneaks out of 1,500 in his career?
Yeah. You're 6'6.
It should be automatic. You should be able to get a yard. I'm with you. What happened?
Is it because Mahomes got hurt that time?
Everyone's afraid Well, we know why he does it or doesn't do it.
We know why Hertz does it because it's an automatic. He's going to launch six yards. But yeah, you would think it'd be a hardball thing.
Like, Hey, we're going to get our offensive line to be disciplined enough to get this giant forward half an inch.
Tennessee, Minnesota, I watched zero plays of. I was thinking, what's the opposite of a multi-view game? Interesting. It's like a multi-view blackout.
I didn't know what it is. A radio game. I had it on a small screen, like a big post-it, like that size screen. That's basically what I had this time. I'm good with not watching Tennessee again this season. Well, even the Vikings are boring. I don't know. We see Detroit kill these garbage, teal, AFC South teams like Jacksonville and Tennessee. Vikings don't feel like they're eight and two. Miami Dolphins, four and six. We talked about this scenario two weeks ago, or one week ago, because we did it for the Rams game on Monday night. They won two games in six to They play the Patriots this week, and they could be five and six.
They're at Greenban on Thursday, home Jets at Houston, home San Francisco, a game that suddenly seems a lot easier than it was on the schedule.
Then at Cleveland at the Jets last two weeks. Could get to nine wins from four and six.
The fights for the seven seeds are going to be good in both conferences, right? I don't know that they have a chance against the two seeds, but it's going to be good. Well, I mean, that really could be five.
Good, but also not good because then we have to watch them when we're all together for round one, and then it's a lot less good when we're watching the Dolphins in a playoff game. Right. I'm just thinking now the NFC West division where everybody's five and five. I could see all three of those other teams going three and three the rest of the way. Then it's all going to come down to the next week. Well, I hope the Dolphins at least get a little more exciting because I think our friend John Jastrowski, who Host the Ringer Sunday pregame show, The King of the Underdog. He did it today. I think you're number one. I've known you a long time. I did an Instagram thing. I'm 22 years in LA now, so we've known each other 22 years. Your number one thing you hate over really anything else, including cancer and pestilence, like name all the worst things in the world, is when people claim an underdog pick, and either they're not an underdog, which the Fox The guys used to do.
They're like, I like the Browns. Meanwhile, the Browns would be minus one and a half, and Bradshaw is taking them as an underdog.
Or somebody who takes an underdog that's like a plus 105 or a plus 108, which is what JJ did today in the show. The Fox guys. The Fox guys are 80 years old, so you're teaching them how to...
They don't even understand gambling.
The text and their brains are spinning out of their heads. Jj does 17 podcasts a week on gambling, and he's very proud of his bangles plus 108. By the way, good. I'm glad he lost. Now I'm thinking, I didn't care about the game.
Now I'm great. Yeah. Houses Stealers plus 158. People are doing real underdog pips. I have the Raiders. Here's mine. Yeah, you're the Raiders.
Yeah, exactly. You want to take Jake Paul, too?
Jj, I don't know. Is that an underdog?
Come on. Then he gets defensive about it. He got upset. Jesus, JJ. Plus 108. Here's my courageous underdog pick. I was sending him cowardly lion pictures.
He wasn't responding towards the M..
Bro, that plus symbol? That plus symbol is all you need to see, bro. If it's a plus symbol, it counts as an underdog, bro. Good for you. I'm going to pick them. Just, Hell hath no fury if I get Juan Soto on the Red Sox, the amount of text somebody was sending JJ. That'll bring me right back with the Red Sox. The sabbatical will be over.
They won't get them.
There you go. So play off picture Here, K-C, Detroit is the one seeds.
Buffalo, Denver is one match up, two, seven.
Pittsburgh, Chargers. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Pittsburgh, Baltimore would be the 3-6. Then Houston Chargers would be the 4-5 if it ended today. That's probably the Shaker's game, Houston Chargers. Houston Chargers, yeah. Afc South is locked in. The other one, we would have, let's see. I'm too confused by the NFC. I get it.
I guess the most important one is right now, it'd be Arizona hosting Minnesota in round one.
Another possible shakey's game. Then all the other ones.
That's the four or five? That would be the four or five? That would be the four or five.
Because it looks like Minnesota has got the inside track on the five seat unless Green Bay or Washington. Well, but Atlanta is a worst division winner, right? At six and five.
Wouldn't that be the four? Yeah, you're right, because those teams are going to go backwards.
Oh, yeah. So it could be Atlanta, Minnesota. That's a tough game to bet. This is the one of the NFC. I knew it was going to pop it up. I know. That's a tough on the bet, though. I don't like that. One more break for the podcast, and then we'll do Guest Alliance. Today's Guest Alliance is brought to you by Workday. Get the whole band together with Workday and pair finance and HR on one platform for an epic performance. With Workday AI at the core, you'll make confident decisions faster than ever, and you'll drive flawless business and finance operations with an agile platform that constantly evolves to future proof your organization.
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What's our record for the year? What do we got?
I won last week. Congrats.
You're 6, 4, 1 through 11 weeks. So you're like a plus 107 underdog? Could JJ bet you? Jj is all over it. Then Rahim, who's also on the show, who's been doing well lately and just can't resist telling everybody about how well he's doing. He's in the dugout being like, Hey, we're thrown to no hitter through five innings.
No hits by the other team. I love it. We just bragged. We had a bunch of characters. Joe House. Joe House, that pregame show is an hour and a half, and he holds the microphone for an hour. It's a heavy ass. You're not holding a calendar here. It's a pretty He has to have the microphone.
He has to get right in there. Rahim is a confidence player. Yeah, House did Million Dollar Picks with me after the Washington game on Thursday night. And he's like, I might have a few drinks. I'm like, great. People love Drunk House. He was actually pretty subdued. And as we're I'm like, This actually might be Drunk House because he's not loud and fun Drunk House. He actually seems like he's had a few.
So then today, he's like, Yeah, the Browns. I was probably a little drunk on Thursday night. I probably should have suggested that one because he gave me the Browns.
You're blaming him, but you're betting a million dollars on these pics. They really should come from you. I don't know why you're so trusting. Thursday night, Stealers, speaking of the Browns, Stealers in Cleveland. It's really rough for the Browns. Maybe we should have seen it coming when they traded one of their past rushers right before the trade deadline. And then they traded Mark Cooper, their best receiver. That should have been a red flag.
Stealers at Cleveland on a Thursday night. And to me, this has to be Stealers by three and a half. Really? You're still going to get it. I said six and a half. It's four and a half.
Why is that even that low? Eight and two against two and eight. I just think the Thursday night, you got to dock it for the road team coming off an emotional... I mean, that Baltimore-Pittsborough game, we didn't talk about how physical- I guess so. How much shit-talking there was in that game. That game was awesome. These games are awesome today. Pittsburgh, Baltimore.
The Buffalo game was great.
This Chargers game was great, and this Stewards-Browns game would not be great. Yeah. Sunday Marquee game.
I think it's Packers' Niners, right?
Yeah, I think so.
It's in Green Bay. That's some interesting ones, but that's it.
I had a lot of trouble with this one because the Niners seem like they're getting a lot of respect based on past performance It's the potential of what the performance is. I really think this line should be at least packers by one and a half, so I'm going to do that.
Packers by one and a half. But you said at least. You want to go a little higher? You can go a little higher if you want, motherfucker.
I said two. It's one and a half. You think that flips?
Is that Niners minus one and a half? George Kittle's back. Oh, yeah. They love flipping the one and a half. Boze is healthy. The one and a half is so dangerous. Yes.
Now we're going to add six and make a nice teaser, and it's not going to make any sense. Did you see there was a thing going around today about... And I don't know if it accounts for today's games or not. Somebody sent to me. Active NFL coach records in one-score games. The worst coach is Ibra Fluss at five and 17 in one-score games. Zack Taylor is 21 and 32. Peterson is 32 and 43, and Kyle Shanahan is 29 and 33 in one-score games. It feels that way, right?
Yeah, Shanahan feels that way because I think we examined this stat a couple, like a year ago with Shanahan. You're telling me Zack Taylor's 121 one-score games? Yeah. No way. Where were they? No. College?
What is that? College? No.
Tomlin's 107 and 68 in one-score games. He's the man. Ads up.
Yeah. Lafleur is 33 and 21.
And then your guy McCarthy is 73 and '65.
But he had Rogers before Rogers was washed. That's not fair. But yeah, the Iberfluss thing jumped out to me and then Shana and 29 and 33 with all the talent they've had. I thought that was notable. Yeah. You think when you go for an extension, they show you that tweet or whatever you saw? It's not good. You know what else is a good, Sal?
I only have two watchable games for the marquee game. And one of them is the Lions, just because I think Lions Colts will be fun because I really enjoy watching Richardson.
You just don't know what's going to happen in Richardson. Every past This is exciting. He might sail it over somebody's head. He might bounce it. It might be one of the best 20-yard in passes you've seen.
Just don't know.
I have the Lions favorite by six and a half in Indianapolis. All right, finally, I get this. I had seven, and it's seven and a half. They're just crushing teams, though. They have to put it north of seven.
It just can't go lower. It feels like a tease, right?
Yeah.
They're not ready to lose yet, Detroit. There'll be a time. That's not yet. Campbell's definitely got the Drago's trainer face going during these games.
He just wants to pour it on. Seahawks Cardinals in Seattle.
I was going to go one and a half, and I'm going to say Seahawks minus two after the day.
You get it. It's one and a half. I said four. Why are... I don't know, man. Cardinals have had a really good month.
I know.
They're getting a little too much credit here. Little too much. Two fairly watchables. Vikings at Chicago is the first one. Something is not watchable about the Vikings, then I can't put my finger on it.
But I'm never like, Oh, cool. The Vikings are on offense. They have guys I like watching.
Just something's missing. We don't like when you have a big play guy, a top three fantasy guy, Justin Jefferson. Who never seems to hit the bar. And you're struggling to score. I think they average 30 over their first four games. In the last two or three, they've averaged 15 or something. I'm going to say Vikings by three in Chicago. You're going to get this. I said four and a half, it's three and a half.
I think that ends at three. Did they play yet? No, they play Week 15. You think that goes down? Yeah, I think that gets to three. Dolphins Home for the Pats is the other one. I swear the Pats aren't bad. You swear. You wouldn't lie to me.
I swear they're not bad.
You can't tell me you weren't fucking sweating out that Rams game. No, I was. I'm glad they kicked.
Pats lose to Seattle 23 to 20 in a game that they coach scared and they had Berset instead of They lose week five to Miami when they should have started May. I think they would have won that. They lost that one 15 to 10. They lost that stupid Tennessee game in week nine by three, and they lost this Rams game today.
It's a three and eight team.
They really could be six and seven a couple of plays. They're not bad. Whatever you say.
I don't know how the three and eight gets to six and seven.
They really could have played two more games in 11 weeks. I wasn't asked to do math. The question is, how many blowouts do they have? I look at the Cowboys, I'm like, Oh, we have at least three or four. You have none. You have no blowout. Receiving end of a blowout, I'm saying. Oh, yeah, we got blood out a couple of times. Houston got us. No, but coming up, are you going to have two or three?
Or you have what? Seven games, right? Miami, Indy, Arizona, Buffalo, Chargers, Buffalo again. Six games left. Yeah. Well, I have that.
Pat's over under four and a half, and they have three wins.
You're fighting that out end of December for sure. But think about it. At Miami, Home Indy, at Arizona, at Buffalo, Chargers, Buffalo. Probably only one win left with this coaching stuff. You got to hit this exact. I got this exactly. You did? I'm going to say Miami by six and a half. Oh, you should have said seven.
Very close. I would advise people not to tease that.
I just don't...
That seems like a classic Miami looking ahead game. Who does Miami play the week after this? They play- Well, that's Thanksgiving week, right?
Yeah, they're at Green Bay on Thursday, that next week.
So this is a classic, Hey, it's the Pats. We'll get by this. We got Green Bay on Thursday, and then all of a sudden we're up 10-0.
You played tough with them last time, right?
Was it like 15-10? Is that what you said?
Yeah, I think we can play with that team.
Now, the reason these games are so shitty is because six teams are off, We forgot to mention that Buffalo, Cincinnati. It's a huge fantasy implications. There's some teams with fantasy guys. The poop facta is loaded.
We might need the clogger to un clog it.
Really some doosies. There's five Bucks Giants in Jersey. Bucks minus four. Yeah, you get it. I said five, it's three and a half. That's stupid. That's dumb.
Except that we're going to bet Tampa to win the division, so they're definitely going to lose the Giants. Yeah, so we need to do that because I need to be interested in week 12.
So maybe that's the first way to do it. Let's do it. Bet the Bucks. Washington is home for the Cowboys. Watch out. God only knows how bad you're going to look tomorrow. Watch out. I have Washington by eight. Man, you're edging me out here. I had seven and a half. It's nine and a half. That's too bad. Washington hasn't looked good in a month.
Well, Cowboys haven't looked good six years in a month. Fair. It should be interesting. Oh, you don't think the schedule can get worse? Can I offer you Chiefs Panthers in Carolina? Yeah.
You could offer me a three-team teaser. Well, that's why I'm jacking this up because they're going to have... This will be in the tease range. I'm going to say Chiefs by eleven and a half in Carolina. I can't get one of these. I had twelve. It's ten and a half. They can't lose that. Put that on any teaser from now, whenever, however long you think you're going to be betting, 15, 20 more years, 40.
Just try to get them on whatever FanDuel allow.
I had another 14 or 13 pointer, by the way.
Oh, I saw that. Wait. Chargers plus 11, Chiefs, Lions, and then the Eagles on Thursday night.
Oh, you sent me something else with the- I sent. I think that was it. The UFC.
No, I hit that, too. No, I hit that, too. Green Bay.
Look at you. Hitting everything. Bow Nickel with Jon Jones, who could not have been more amazing in that fight. Too many records. Then the Lions and the Packers was basically even odds.
Jon Jones figured out how to do a punch as a spinning back kick.
Right. Yeah.
I've never seen a UFC move that looked like it hurt more than that move. Yeah. If they did that to us, what would happen to us? No, I would say I'd still be in the ring, but I think they would carry me to my grave.
So I don't think I would still be in the ring. Yeah. That break five ribs, right? It looked like it really like he was going to have trouble getting his foot out of that sternum, right?
I thought he was so good. Steve Steepay was terrible. Steepay looked like he was washed. But Jon Jones was like, he played all the hits. Like, he did the ground and pound in the first round.
He's just like, he has this ways of just like, it's like 20 elbows and 19 of them land. He was so good. Someone gave Steepay a round, which was insane. Jesus. It's one of the judges there. Two more terrible games, Texans, Titans. This is in Houston. I thought about getting this to nine because I I know they're going to think everyone's going to tease it, but the Texans just haven't been good enough.
So I'm going to say Texan's eight and a half. I hate when you're explaining it, and I know you have me dead to rights, but I still have to listen to the whole thing. And keep a poker face.
Yeah, it's I had nine, and it is eight and a half. This is disgraceful. That's a slightly dangerous game for Houston because Tennessee's defense isn't bad. Short week for Houston. Short week for Houston. Battle. That's going to be a battle against the Cowboys.
Very physical. You know, this one might not be a poopfecta game with the way Bo Nicks is playing, but Bronco is in Vegas playing the Raiders and Bobby Bacala, Antonio pierce.
I was saying to you in Lombardi that Bobby Bacala was Uncle Junior's driver for two years, and then somehow a couple of people died, and he became a captain. It was like, How is this guy captain?
He was getting Uncle June and Baba Ghul. What do they call that? What's that saying? Gabbadool. What did he call him? Gabbadool. What did he call him? Babbaghul? That was Karen's last lasagna, Junior.
I've never heard of Babagool before. You're not saying it right. It's okay. Gabbadool?
God, I'm a dual.
It's like your daughter's first words.
I don't even know what it is. I'm a dual.
That's a Jersey thing. That was not in the Connecticut, Massachusetts, area. But yeah, it's like Antonio Pears, they just cut to him on the sidelines and he just says, This look like, I wonder if I'm going to be able to do TV next year. I wonder if there's going to be a college job. Broncos, I'm going to say minus four in Vegas. All right. You get it either way. But I said three. It was three and a half. It went to four and a half. What injury could there be on Vegas for them to move this a line?
I know their running backs both got hurt, but it was like Amir Abdul or whatever.
But why did this move within an hour?
Did you see any of the Vegas game? Oh, I know. They're terrible. Yeah. Michu had a play where in the fourth quarter, he rolled out and he threw a pass.
I think it was Jalen Ramsey. He fell down. So he was on the ground. The guy was open, and Minchu somehow threw it to Jalen Ramsey, who caught it when he was lying on the ground for an interception. I had never seen that before. That's good. Tough times for Minchu. Jesus.
I love I just want so badly to bet that team, but they got to be a stay away for the rest of the year. Sunday night, Eagles, Ramsey in LA. Not a bad game. I have a crowd prediction for this. There's a lot of Philly fans that live here. Oh, yeah. You put a lot of Philly fans together, and if the game becomes frustrating or disappointing in the first or second quarter, the vibe/energy in that arena or stadium completely changes gets super weird.
I feel like that's going to happen in this game. You put 50,000 Eagle fans who are furious because Seriani went for it on fourth and 3, and Jalen Hertz got sacked. You can hear the grumbling all around the stadium. I'll never forget the Super Bowl, Eagles Pats. It was the weirdest energy I've ever felt in a game.
The Eagles fans were so mad. It was like in the second quarter, they're furious. But those are Eagles fans.
These are going to be LA Eagles fans, right? You Do you think they're going to be more mellow because we have good weather? No, probably not. I don't think so either.
That'll be bad.
But this means more to the Rams for sure. I do not have the Rams' favorite, Sal. I have Eagles minus one and a half. Yeah, I said two, and it's three. Eagles are a full field goal. Wow. They're rarely seen three. I think they're counting on what you're talking about. A lot of Eagles fans showing up there. There's a lot of Bangos fans. We're going to be a lot of Eagles fans. Did I clinch yet or is this still up in the air? Why? You want to quit? No. Yeah, it's like nine to three. I pulled my starters. Yeah, pull them all. Nine to three, you're up. Last game, Monday night.
We get to watch the Chargers again. Oh, Mike. Ravens at Chargers.
Ravens in LA. I wonder if Mally Rubin will be in the house. I bet she will.
She doesn't leave her own house, but she might be in this house.
I'm going to say Baltimore by one and a half.
Are they checking on an injury? Because it's not on fan.
I pulled it up before, and now it's not on.
You looked there, but what are you saying?
We both said one and a half anyway. It's three. It's the last I saw. But It's Herbert.
Herbert Herc or somebody?
Herbert might be.
Maybe he got hurt when they ran that play when he just got that option play, when he just got violated.
And Collins was like, Please don't ever run that play again. His right arm is… He could throw left-handed if he wants. He's still handsome either way. Of course. All right, you won. 7, 4, 1 after 12. Thanks again to Workday for sponsoring this segment. Be a finance and HR rock star with Workday. To learn more, visit workday. Com.
We watched Tyson Paul together at our cousin Jimmy's. Yeah. One of the most depressing sporting events I can remember. You felt by the second round It felt like it was over. I went back because I had remembered writing a column about some fight that felt like the end of Tyson's career. It was the Lennox-Lewis fight, which was in 2002. Wow.
That was when I wrote a whole long column about it was so sad to watch it's over. It was literally 2002. It was Jake May was born in 2002.
I don't know why we were surprised.
Well, I got to see his ass, and that's all I really want.
I told you before the night. I was I just want to see his ass.
I don't care who wins the fight. But it bums me out because you were smart. You were the only one in the room who didn't have money on Tyson. And yet the way we broke it down on against all, I almost called the exact one. He's going to show... He'll have a flurry in the first couple of rounds, and then these gloves are too big. And Paul is going to realize that Tyson can't hurt him. And so he's just going to jab him to death. It wasn't even that much. And I didn't even count on the knee brace. When your fighter goes in there looking like Bill Walton, at 46 years old? The knee brace is just an automatic, I wish I had in bed on this guy thing.
So how many years was I off by? I know you wrote that column, but does he beat him at 48? Does he beat him at 44? I don't know. As we're watching the Chargers game today, I put on ESPN on the smaller TV because I thought SportsCenter was coming on, and they were running Mike Tyson's Greatest Hits, Volume 2. It was just him destroying. The best one is the Donnie Long I think, is my favorite. He's fucking half-a-a-half. I think he might have killed Donnie Long. Oh, yeah. Top of that. But it's just over and over. Did you just see how fast and crazy good he was back then?
Then there's been this revisionist history since. I don't know.
At the moment, Douglas hit him. Anyone could have... No. My answer to that is no. Him, really, through the Spinks fight was the most unstable heavyweight I've ever seen.
He was ferocious. Nobody's getting in his way. I just don't know how anybody beats that guy. He's a fucking maniac. He's throwing uppercuts, he's ducking, he's round both hands. He had 17 different punches. Yeah, for sure. He could hit you. In the Jake Paul fight, he really only had this weird, lazy left hook. He never threw his right, never threw uppercuts, and had no legs. It was awful. In the Jake Paul fight, he had 17 different punches, too, but those were over eight rounds. So total, he had 17 punches. But I feel like betting on I'm an asshole. It's dumb. Going into it, I knew. But we don't want to admit we're old. This bet was basically getting a facelift. It's a risk.
I know it's going to happen here, and the surgeon got paid either way, but I can't admit that I'm old.
Mike, you just killed us. You just killed.
It was so sad.
Couldn't move forward. In the training video, he has 30-second spurts. It's nice, right? I know. Well, he planted the seed after about he got hurt or whatever happened to him in June, and he had that blood transfusion, and he lost weight.
I feel like they're paving the way for one more. Oh, one more. We need one less. One more fight? Really? I don't know. He made like 20 million for this. I know. He got 20 million. That's when you really feel like a turd. See, like fight George Foreman. We're not going to all get together if it's him versus George Foreman, him versus Evander, Holyfield Tyson III. Yeah. Jimmy Carter could get sanctioned. I think they could do this. It's all about the walk up. It's the anticipation of it. And then the actual fight is a bonus. Yeah. I had buzzed Adam Carola in my ear saying, He's 58.
What do you expect? I think I heard that about 25 times. Yeah, that seemed to be his go-to point. He's right. It was brutal. The woman's fight was great, though.
That should have been the main event. That was tremendous.
I, of course, lost money on that. I was the most exciting moment for me, though, was Baby Doll. Jimmy had this big fire pit with the fire going. Baby Doll sees it, and it's just like a Cheetah seeing its prey.
He just has to sit next to it and have at least two Marlborough Reds in a row while flicking it into the fire and then eventually throwing a cigarette in there.
Even though it's not a fire, it's like one of those glass things shoot up.
Now there's cigarette butts in there, which I'm sure they didn't want it. Yeah, you're not supposed to put trash in there. But he makes it like it's a carnival game.
Yeah, but he was had a good time.
Listen, I know what I'm doing, baby. I got to get through these three packs before I open the other one.
What do you got for Parent Corner? All right, I got a good one. So on Tuesday, this past Tuesday, my son Jack has a wrestling match, right? And it's a dual meet against another school. So he's on JV. And when you're on JV, if you're on varsity, you pretty much feel the full lineup. And the opposing team is going to have probably one guy at every weight class, so it'll match up. But if you're on JV, you never know.
If the other team only has five extras and you have 20, you're not going to get a match. So I have to go and I have to wait, whatever.
So we get there. He comes in, he's like, I don't have a match.
And my wife is working the concession stand, and she's like, Oh, well, then you should eat then. I'm like, Well, don't we want to wait? He's like, No, I don't have a match. So she's giving him Costco pizza and peanut M&Ms. I'm like, all right, well, I guess that's it. We'll stay and watch anyway. Fifteen minutes later, he comes out. He's like, I have a match. I'm wrestling Varsity. The regular Varsity kid, he's out with Ringworm. I was like, You got to be kidding me. Ringworm, the only thing you can get from wrestling. There's no other way to get Ringworm unless you're wrestling for somebody. Yeah, guess what? He's also his partner, so he probably has it, too. But anyway, officially, he doesn't have it. You probably have it. Yes, we all have it now. So I have I'm going to talk to him now. So I'm like, All right, shit, this is crazy. You're wrestling varsity. So if you're losing, you're probably going to be losing because you're a 10th grader on Varsity and you're not much experienced.
You got to save your team points. So if you're losing by five, don't give up.
Don't go to your back because if you lose by 10, it costs the team more points than if you lose by six. So anyway, all right, whatever. So he goes out there and it's a wild first period. It's like 10 to 8. There's a takedown or reversal every 15 seconds. The gym is pumped. It's sloppy. The other school, probably not their regular varsity kid, too. Maybe their guy had scurvy. I don't know what it is. But anyway, this is a sloppy match. I have no idea. So it's actually nine to eight right before the end of the first period. Jack on bottom, and he throws up the Domino's Pizza. He throws up on the mat. On the mat? Yes, because he over did it because he didn't know he was going to have a mat. And then they come out and they clean it and they have to spray it. And it's like a five-minute intermission There's a fish in there, and that's supposed to be it. They probably figure you're sick, right? And then you have to leave the match, right? Not that you had too much Costco pizza. Doesn't get the boom, by the way.
Is there video of him puking or no? I'll send it to you. Is it better than when you puked or now it's three or no? No, the kid's got some ways to go.
But it was interesting nonetheless, but I'll send it to you. He convinces him to let it keep going.
And so he goes, and he actually escapes to make it 10 to 8. So now the second period, same thing, back and forth. They're exhausted. Jack's about to get thrown, but leg trips the kid right onto his back and the kid's exhausted. He pins the kid and the gym goes bananas. And the team eventually wins by six points. So he made a difference. Wow. That was it. That was it. And it was pretty freaking great, I have to say. I could lose a lot of bets, and this would make up for it for sure. I like it. Yeah. So when they make a movie, it'll be called Vision Puke? Yes. Vomit Quest? Vision Crust, brought to you by Domino's. God.
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My Parent Corner, my daughter's boyfriend, Tommy, who's a great kid.
She's been dating him for a year.
And he was playing a touch football game, and some kid fell into his leg and he hurt his leg. He broke the top of his tibias. He was in a cast for four weeks. He ends up moving in because my dad is 12 minutes from where Zoe goes to school. He moves in with my dad and my stepmom because it's too hard for him. He has an apartment in Austin. It's too hard for him to go back and forth. Then my dad's excited because he is a live body to watch sports with. Tommy has been there for a month hanging with my dad, watching games and stuff, which, of course, led to... I insisted that he mailed me videos whenever my dad fell asleep during sporting events, which was every single night. I'll just be home and I'll just get this video from Tom, and it's just some exciting fourth quarter of Lakers warriors, and then the phone will cut to my dad and my dad's He's dead next to him. That's why we wanted in the morning, fourth quarter, right? That'll stay up for all this stuff, though. Really? Okay. Then I'd put all these apps on my dad's TV, including NBA League Pass, which, of course, he has no idea.
It's like, all you do is you press the Apple TV. The League Pass will come up quick on that. The games will be there. It's too much for him.
All he wants to do is turn on the TV and go to cable.
Then the smart TV part as Netflix, and that's all he's capable of. Now, Tommy's in there, and he's telling me how they're watching NBA games. He's like, Yeah, Tommy knows how to get to these NBA games. I'm like, You mean the NBA games that I put on your TV and was telling you you could click on this? He made it seem like Tommy's like red and Shawshank. Tommy's a man who knows how to get things. It's like, you mean Tommy just knows how to press the Apple TV menu, the things comes up, and he presses the thing. Why can't our parents, why don't they understand how to use remote controls? I don't know. Do your parents have trouble with this? Getting to... The worst. My father's fingers are big, so he's breaking the shit out of whether it's a phone or a little Apple remote or something. So it's just not for him. But yeah, it seems like it should click. They couldn't make it easier. They can't get it. Every time my mom goes to see her mom lives here and every time she's over, the first 20 minutes are her fixing Smart TV or something that happened.
I was thinking, I said to Fentacy, I actually think the Ringer, we might have to launch a podcast where every episode is somebody telling stories about interactions with their parents and technology if you have parents over 75.
It's just like, All right, here's my story of when I went over to help fix my mom's internet. It just goes, My mom couldn't get on Spectrum for two weeks and called the guys And the guys came. She thought there was a serious problem. And all the guy did was just turn the box off and on and the Spectrum worked. The guy was like a house call, came in, and that was the solution was, Have you tried turning the box on and off? My mom was like, what do you mean? And did it, and all of a sudden it worked. It scares the shit out of them.
Because it makes me think, what are we going to be like 30 years from now?
Like AI, are we going to be just as idiotic? Oh, we're going to be fine. We're going to be fine.
We could navigate Fandle. We're good. But no, these people...
My father, I had to take them to DMV, and you have to fill out all the shit on the tablet.
You don't write anything. I'm like, If I wasn't there, he would be there. There wouldn't be cars. There'd be flying cars by the time he got out of there. He wouldn't be. Yeah, it's tough. But the bigger point is you're jealous of Tommy, aren't you? I am a little jealous. You're a little bit jealous. It did make me think of when I lived in Boston, and I could just hang out and watch games with my dad, and then he would fall asleep in the fourth quarter or whatever we're watching.
Now, Now, Tommy gets it.
With his grandfather-in-law. This is terrific.
But here's the other thing. Tom is a huge heat fan because my dad watches every Celtic game if he doesn't go. So he feels like he has to join the Celtics thing a little bit, but he's also a heat fan. So what he does is he bets on the Celtic every game. Oh, interesting. All right. See, this is why this guy could be the one for my daughter.
That's outside the box thinking. This is a crazy relationship It's set up here, isn't it?
It's only one more week. He'll be able to start moving around in a week. Yeah. All right. My dad's like, I'm bummed out.
We love having him here. What's going on? He's paying for the wedding.
That's great. Anyway, that's parent quarter. Sal, what do you got to plug?
Well, I just came off the ring of pregame show where I'm nine and two on my best bets.
You've had a long day. Yeah, nine and two on your best bets.
Come on. You were plus 108 to be nine and two on your best It was an upset. Who knew I could do it? Threw the Ringer with Tate against all odds. We had a nice same game parley with the fellows Thursday night. And because of Sal's winning weekend with the great Jim Nance on Friday.
What should I ask him? Hello, my friends. Yeah. I love friends. I think you have to make him rank his top three things he's ever called from three to one. All right. You got to get the Bronze medal, Silver, Merrill, Gold medal, greatest things he's called.
I have to. You know he has his top three. Yeah.
I also want the top three most annoying things about Tony Romo. I'm going to get it out of him. What he finds annoying. Definitely say like, Hey, three years ago, were you mad at Romo when he just wasn't memorizing the numbers of the guys on the thing. Did you give him a pep talk? Right.
To yell at them? What happened? I love it. It's very exciting. Those are good guests. Yeah, we do all right. Ringer Sunday pregame show, too.
We have a great... Sorry. Let me Shout out Allison Turner, the terrific booker for the Ringer. Oh, we love Allison.
Great job by her.
She's great.
I almost don't like that you chatted her out.
Now I'm worried she's going to try to hire away from us.
What do you mean? She's one of our favorite employees.
No, her name is actually really bad. Yeah, she's not good. I had to yell at her a few times last few weeks. Yeah. Joe House is the one you want to book your guests. Ringer Sunday pregame, we came up with this new idea, the What do we call it? The Hot Fudge Sunday with a Y, where everybody has to do a parlay or a pick of plus 200 higher, put them all together.
And today's was 42 to one. How many legs did we hit? I think we hit two. No, one or two. I had the under 31 to half with Tennessee, Minnesota.
I thought you were going to hit one of those. Yeah. Jj freaks out. Jj breaks out in hives because he doesn't like anything over plus 200.
He's like, What? Where can I even find this?
I don't know. He wanted to do it. It has to be plus 110 or higher for this Sunday. All right, Sal, we'll see you next week. Good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. On the wayside, I don't have a few years with them. On the wayside, on the wayside, I, Sal, we'll see you next week. Good job by you. Good job by you, buddy.