
Jets Coaching Hilarity, Mets Magic, Watson’s Nadir, and Week 6 Picks With Peter Schrager and Sean Fennessey
The Bill Simmons Podcast- 201 views
- 11 Oct 2024
The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Sean Fennessey and Peter Schrager to discuss the Jets firing HC Robert Saleh five weeks into the season (1:09), then look back on the history of Jets head coaches and talk a little Mets postseason bliss (28:15). Then Bill asks Peter some burning NFL questions, like "Why won't the Browns bench Deshaun Watson?" and "Why didn't the Patriots start Drake Maye last week?" (58:21). Finally, they run through the weekend's slate of games (1:27:39) and make their Million Dollar Picks for NFL Week 6 (1:45:12).
Host: Bill Simmons
Guests: Peter Schrager and Sean Fennessey
Producer: Kyle Crichton
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Coming up, football live from New York with our old friend shrigs. Next, we're also brought to you by the Ringer podcast network. Hope you heard the new rewatchables we put up on Monday. Van Lathan and I did Poltergeist. You can watch that on the Ringer movies YouTube channel as well. I've been in New York all week. Sorry we didn't have a podcast on Tuesday. But the good news about being in New York is I am live in the studio. Peter Schrager is here with me. And then we're going to bring in Strom fantasy to talk about another jets coach fired the history of jets coaches and then positive the Mets and the playoffs. I mean, a roller coaster ride for everyone in New York. And then Schraig stayed. We talked about burning questions in the NFL and then he did million dollar picks with me. And it is an action packed podcast and I had a great time. It's all next four star friends from Pearl Jabez. All right, I'm taping this. It's 04:00 eastern time, New York City. I am in the World Trade Center Spotify studio with Peter Schrager. This is incredible. Good to see you.
And if this wasn't fancy enough, Sean fantasy is on Zoom. He's got a Mets hat and he's got a Starbucks and a big ass smile on his face. What a week for Sean Fennessy.
Let's go.
We'll go sad first and then we'll give him Mets time at the end. And then Sean's going to leave and shrags and I are going to talk a lot of football. The jets, they have gone through yet another coach. So what year were you born?
1980.
219. 82. All right. That was the last year of Walt Michaels.
Mm hmm.
Walt Michaels. Joe Walt and Bruce Koslet. We go all the, we're going to go through all the jets coaches, but Robert Sala gets fired after five games, which was something that probably should have happened in January or February would have been my guess. I know you were a little more of a pro salah side, but if you're going to do this, do this when Mike Brabel and Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll and all these other guys are available. Sean, I think you said this. You were the most pessimistic jets fan I knew, other than Larry David, who actually quit the jets. Doesn't have, doesn't root for them anymore. Why? Why now? Why not eight months ago? What's your take?
Well, let me just say, as always, I follow in Larry David's footsteps. Wherever he goes, I go. I've been tracing his career for four decades, and I'm proud to follow along with him. I just was not sold on the infrastructure of the team. My bigger concern was more that they had not replenished their defensive line and that Nathaniel Hackett was calling offensive plays for the team. Both of those things have been problematic at times. Um, I think Robert Sala got scapegoated here in a big way, to be honest with you.
I don't think he was scapegoat defense.
I don't think he was the greatest coach in team history. But he won seven games in two consecutive seasons with Zach Wilson as his primary quarterback. And Zach Wilson stinks. So I don't, you know, are we sure Robert Salah was the problem with this team? Are we sure?
Well, he was, by the metrics, the most successful jets coach of the last.
Ten years was he 20 and 46?
20 and 36.
20 and 36.
Shriggs has a lot of info.
I'll empty some empty bag. Is that what he said?
You don't have to give us like twelve minutes, but you can give us like a good three.
Okay. So it's always been an interesting dynamic between Robert Sala and Ambassador Woody Johnson. That was in the press release. Ambassador Woody Johnson forgot. It's always been an interesting dynamic because Christopher, who's the younger brother, by about 15 years, he's the one who hired Robert Sala. And he did so when Ambassador Johnson was over in London serving under President Trump. So he comes back.
But Salah was a hot hire, right? Oh, yeah.
No, look, Salah had.
Sean was like semi excited.
I saw Detroit in San Francisco. He seems very, very cool.
Detroit native. And they went with Dan Campbell instead. He interviewed with Philly, and they ended up hiring Nick Sirianni instead. It was that year where it was like, okay, is it Mike McDaniel? And they ended up hiring Robert Salt. And Jets fans were fine with it, but Woody comes back and it's this pressure of like, okay, we've got to perform now, Rogers, they all go out to Malibu last year. The whole crew, they all pitch Rogers. They get Rogers in the house, and then Rodgers goes down. So it's almost like a mulligan this year. There was so much optimism after the Thursday night win against. I was in the building, I'm on the sidelines for the game. Rodgers is in a great mood, Salah's in a great mood. And no less than two weeks later, one of them's out of a job completely. I will tell you there was so much frustration after the Denver loss and then to lose the way they did in London. And Rogers is, like, taking blame. And I understand that he threw three interceptions. But to fall in that hole early and to not be able to bring it in that first half and to again fall behind early, that was a great frustration of ownership.
So here's the timeline. Monday, they all get in there and, like, there's a tension after this flight that, like, something's going to go down. Like, they all know something's going down.
Oh, so it's like a grim. What is that? Six hour flight?
Yeah, it's about an eight hour flight.
But, like, an hour and a half to get to the airport.
Then you gotta get your pictures.
You're in to Linda. It's not easy. Yeah, yeah. And then everybody's pissed.
Monday morning, you walk in, and from what I gather, it was like, you could hear a pin drop. Like, what's gonna go down? What's gonna go down? They ended up like, all right, let's.
So people think it's gonna be Hackett.
Yes. Something.
Hackett will be the skateboard.
Something major's happening.
Free Saul's career is over. Everyone's Wilson, 22 targets for 80 yards.
Everyone's looking over their shoulders, and they start game planning. And it's like, okay, is nothing gonna happen? So then Salah decides, and I don't know if this is breaking news and we could put it on here, but, like, there was a conversation with Hackett that moving forward, Todd Downing is gonna be calling the plays.
So he tells Hackett that on Monday.
Hackett was made aware that this was gonna go down and that this is the conversation clock.
Dickens.
And Hackett says to him, dude, all good. Like, all good. I'm hurt. I'm hard. Like, it sucks that this went down this way, but, like, whatever it takes for the team to get out of this rut. Like, we're in this together. He's not losing his job. He's like, I'm all right. Like, let's do this. There were conversations Wednesday. They leave the building Wednesday night or Monday. I'm sorry, Monday night. Now, Roger said on McAfee he spoke to Johnson, but it was more about, like, his ankle and all that stuff. I'm sure they talked about the team, but I will tell you, there was no code red. And as juicy as that is that, like, Roger's, like, on the phone with the owner.
So he talked to the owner on Monday night after it was decided that his handpicked guy, Nathaniel Hackett, would no longer be calling the place.
Yes. Or at least for this week. Okay.
Nothing to see there.
Thank you for expressing some concern about, about that fact, Bill. I appreciate it. We are dubious in jets nation, Peter. I will say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, okay. Tuesday morning, Salah comes in. He's told, you know, just come and sit down. And Joe Douglas isn't the one calling him in. It's both Johnson brothers and maybe a couple other people on the highest of levels. And it literally took ten minutes, maybe even less. And it was, thanks for your service here. We need to spark. We don't like the way the team's playing. You're done. And there will be no contract extension, which was the hope that if they had won, he would get a contract extension going into this year. And you are no longer the head coach. And Jeff Ulbricht, who ironically, also is a defensive coach, is going to take over. And the reason that was given to Salah and the reason that's been said publicly, they just needed a spark. And that Ulbricht is one of these rally around the guys galvanized the whole thing. So Ulbricht talks to Hackett on Tuesday. He's like, look, this all just fell in my lap. Like, I didn't expect this to happen either. No one was manipulating this behind the scenes. I think we're going to go with Todd, as was the plan to call plays.
Hackett again, and it sounds like he's some noble. And I know the memes are hilarious of him as, like, the office space dude or whatever it is. Like, what does he do as the offensive coordinator who's not calling plays, but hack is just like, whatever you guys need, I'm here. I just. Let's, let's.
He's not like an offensive designer. Like, he designs the plays, he just doesn't call them. He's like, hey, I've designed a run sweep.
Suggestions welcome. Right?
So, hey, I was thinking about, I was thinking about wide receiver passes. I laid out a couple options.
That's it. So Hackett, who's been the ire of jets fans for multiple years, takes a backseat. Todd Downing is inserted. Now, downing was an OC in Tennessee. He made a major mistake, lost his job in Tennessee.
What was his major mistake?
He had a DUI after.
Oh, that kind of major mistake. You were going to say he, like, re in daredevil?
No, no, no. But he paid, you know, he paid for that. And he has been very open and apologetic about that situation. He's now the offensive coordinator. And what's it mean backwards?
Or do you have more.
I just really quickly, like, and I would love Shawn's thoughts. It went from after the Denver game. Everyone wanted hack it fired. They actually. I mean, I hack it. Yeah. Hackett and Salah. Salah actually gets fired. And fans are like, what a circus. The Mets suck. The jets suck. We're such a circus. And then now, like, 48 hours later, they talk to jets fans. They're like, all right, we made the changes. I like this old brick. He's kind of cool. Okay, new play caller. All right. And Roger's ankle is actually better than we thought. All right. And if we win on Monday, we're three and three, like, optimistic again. Like, it's totally tilted. Yeah, I think it's half full, and it's like there were, there were necessary changes made, whether or not we love Salah or we don't. But, like, the Rogers piece, I'm told he was as shocked as anyone I know. That's going to be red with rolled eyes, and maybe I'm carrying water. If you think from what I know from my reporting, everyone was knocked on their ass by this. And a lot of the players were actually very upset that Salah was let go.
You want the floor, Sean?
Well, I'll just say, I think, honestly, this just seemed like it happened one week earlier than expected. Most people who follow the team closely felt like if they lost against Buffalo with this opportunity to move into first place, to. Sad. Yeah. Experiences in another national game for the team. If Salah is on the sideline once again, crossing his arms, staring into the black abyss of nothingness, and got fired, no one would be surprised. It just felt one week early. Um, he's not been successful as a head coach. He seems like a wonderful guy. And you hear that all around you. Same is true for your boy Nat Hackett. He seems like a nice guy. I got nothing against him personally, but both he and his father have been terrible play callers for the New York jets in my lifetime, and it's been very painful to deal with that. I'm glad Hackett is not calling plays. I feel bad for Salah, but he had a long stretch of time here to turn it around, and he was not able to do it. I think what you said is right, peter, which is that, honestly, if they win and Ulbricht fires them up, and we've seen the new coach bump, Antonio Pierce is coaching on a new contract of the new coach bump.
Then that would be fantastic. They have a good enough roster to be a playoff team.
Everybody knows it, and that's going to crush salah, like, I know the guy. Like, he, he is fully convinced that this team is a playoff team and could still do it. And who cares about salah? I understand, like, we move on in this world, but like, it's. I think they're going to win Monday night against the bills. They're going to be three and three. They play the fourth easiest schedule from here on out. Ten of their games are on the eastern seaboard. Moving forward. In their first four games, the schedule was insane. He started off Monday night, then had a short week playing in Tennessee.
Three and eleven days, right? Yeah, that Denver game and then London, horrible weather game and then they went.
To London and you know, the offense.
Rogers, a big question for me is like, breeze hall and Wilson were considered two of the biggest fantasy assets heading into the season, especially Breech hall, who was just a complete zero. Like that alone. It's like somebody's got to pay. The backup was playing more than Breeze hall was. I say this as somebody who has breeze hall. I think on two of my three teams, it's painful. It hurt my feelings.
Well, it's. A lot of people thought that Braylon Allen should have gotten more touches two weeks ago and then he got more touches last week. And I wouldn't say it was significantly better than breeze. The issue is an offensive line issue. They haven't. I don't know what it is, but the mining in the run game is weak right now. Predictable, I thought. Dan Orlovsky did a really nice job identifying some of the issues on fourth down on Twitter this week. The play calling has been bad. It's been really bad. Will a new play caller just make briefs look better? I don't know. Maybe he will.
You get Morgan Moses back, who was really good those first few weeks and they were worried at the Patriots game. They lost him. And then he and Vera Tucker to the best at what they do. And the thought is maybe we can get the run game kick started again behind them. But all the jets fans are accurate in that this has been a great, disappointing, great disappointment. Through five games I had them as the number one seed in the AFC, Rogers, and Rogers is my mvp based on being there this summer and doing a preseason game.
And this goes back to our discussion before week one when we were like, is being there good or bad?
100%. 100%. I can't watch the scheme in the rain and against Denver when it's August on a beautiful day, I see them.
Trying to stop Bo nicks. So Salah went 20 and 36. He was 22 and 34 against the spread, which I thought was incredible. Sean, I'm a results guy. I look at Adam. Adam driver's last six movies.
How dare you?
Last duel, Brooklyn guy.
Sean.
House of Gucci, white noise.
Yep.
65. Ferrari Megalopolis.
Say that again.
Megalopolis.
God, I like. I love the word. The trailer was great.
Sean, is he the Robert Sala of a list actors?
Does Sala have a girls?
I like four of those six movies, to be perfectly honest with you. Which genius? I think they're bold choices in his career. And I admire Adam Driver. Adam Driver is an artist. Robert Sala is a coach. He's a, he's a. He's a manager. And we need results as managers. I'm a manager, Bill. You know that. But Adam Driver, you know, he does something a little bit different. And I will not compare him. Yeah, Ferrari's good.
Is it is on the planes. Yeah. I was thinking that's a perfect plane movie. Like I'm a perfect plane movie.
If you want to sleep on a cross country flight. Peter, so slow.
Support the cinemas. You know, go to the theater.
I'm begging 100%. I will. I will. I want to see the. The Pharrell Williams Lego movie in the theater with my kid. I will see.
That's the.
Yeah, I will see that.
Peter, do you believe in the new coach theory?
I do. I think in the NFL there is a definite bump. The question is, can you sustain it over this length of time? What's interesting is no coach has been fired this early in the season since Matt rule was and Steve Wilkes in 2022 filled in and they went 500 the rest of the way. But I think if you hire a coach with four weeks left in the season, they can often go three in one and finish the season. They still have so much football left to play. And you had all summer of Robert sala installing things. Can ulbricht just come in and fire up the guys? Like, I've known Jeff for a while. Like, he is a fiery coach. He is everything you thought Salah was going to be when he was running up and down the sidelines at San Francisco. That's this guy in the building. Does that translate as the head coach over the course of three months? We'll have to see.
I had the data and I think I accidentally deleted it from my iPad. So that's just an old guy moment for me. Jeff, Saturday, that was the most famous one. New coach. I mean, that was his only good one. But last year we had Brandon Staley got fired. New guy came in for the chargers and they, I think were plus twelve against. Maybe it was the Bills and they end up losing.
They were down about 56 nothing against the Raiders.
Carolina, they covered the first week.
Yep.
So anyway, in my research it was the last four have all covered, spread, covered or won. Antonio Pierce was another one. The last one that didn't was it when Matt rule got fired after week five. So it's Wilkes, the week six game rams. But then they got better with yeah, they went 500 as the year went along. So there's some first, there's some new coach blood. I've always believed this, but I could see I the jets are getting two and a half against Buffalo. That spoiler alert is going to be a million dollar pick for me because that just seems like a classic. We've responded. Oh my God. Bruce hall had 20 carries for 138 yards and it's just because we fired the coach.
I'll go to this game. Yeah, I'll go to this game and I will tell you that, like, if they hadn't fired Salah or demoted Hackett and Sean, you know this. The second there was a three and out, it would be boo birds, all that. I think the vibe has changed. It's like, all right, they made the changes. Now let's root for the team. I think that's how jets fans feel going into this weekend.
But Sean, you were the most down on the team of anyone I knew. Well, even have a tweet that you happily reposted. You're a reposter if you're right about something.
I am.
You were, you were super skeptical. You didn't understand. I had the jets win in the division, he had Rogers MVP, and you were completely out. So what's changed? Well, the meters, the Mets have changed. Maybe optimism. The Mets spilling over.
I'm not optimistic about the season. I mean, I think they have the talent on the roster to be a playoff team. I think they've put themselves now in a very difficult position by being under 500 and losing. In particular. The Broncos game I think is going to come back to haunt them in a big way. That's not a game you want to lose and it's not a game that they should have lost. So that feels terrible.
You mean when they made history by losing a game where the other QB through for less yards in any win than Eli Manning in 2007? That was incredible.
Zirlein makes that field goal.
That's the thing. If Zurla makes a field goal, Salah probably has a job.
Here's the, the other thing about the firing Salah. That is interesting is the jets defense has given up two touchdowns total in the last three games, right? They're still doing what they always do. They bend sometimes, but they never broke under Sala. And that's why I say I think he was scapegoated here. Now, obviously Ulbricht is the person calling the plays for the defense. But man, they put together a good unit. They developed a lot of good players. Quincy Williams is like a top ten linebacker in the NFL now. He was a cast off at the beginning of their administration. He's a really good defensive coach. So we will see what happens. I'm skeptical because I think there are a couple choices that they had to make to bring in Hassan Reddick. That just totally backfired on them.
And I feel like Johnson made a plea on the conference call. He's like, please, hasan, the owner, come doors are open, let's talk. Let's just get here.
Hasan Reddick's like, yeah, pay me more if Reddick signs. It's a different thing to me if Reddick signs. I think they're actually a different team. I think they're a much scarier team.
A lot of jets fans are looking back in hindsight and saying we drafted a 6th offensive lineman in Olu at a Penn State when Brock Bowers was on the board. Where do you stand on that? Would you have wanted Bowers or the offensive line? Because everyone says, well, the offensive line sucks. They got an offensive lineman but kind of a swing tackle in his rookie year.
Yeah, I well, Tyrone Smith looks a little old right now, so I don't feel so bad about that pick. If Olu is going to be the long term left tackle, I feel okay with it. He's a rookie. What can you expect? He got thrown into this. I don't feel too bad about that. Brock Bowers does look nasty and I've got him on two fins.
Pretty good jets defense first and yards per play second against the pass 7th and first downs fifth scoring 6th red zone like they've been really good for years and that's kind of Sal is calling card was. The defense was always good and always over achieving, but nothing else seemed to work.
But he's not the defensive coordinator, he's the head coach. Someone needs, someone needed to take the fall. Unfortunately, he's the one whose blood is shedden.
But here's the thing. If that that stupid running into the kicker thing didn't get called when it was 17, nothing. Rogers is limping toward the blue tent. It looks like Rodgers was like, I think I'm out. I'll see you guys back in America. And then all of a sudden, they had a first down. It's like, I'm back in, and he's running back in. I'll say this about Rogers. I'm happy to go on the record. There's no way they didn't tell him what was happening with the coach.
There's a lot of few good men.
I so tired.
Parallels here.
Kyle, turn the camera on. That's Weinberg. When the star of the team always knows what's going on, period, end of story. I don't care if it's bat like Giannis. Oh, my God. I had no idea the drew holiday trade was happening. I just don't believe it ever. Because you'd have to be a fucking idiot if you own a sports team and you're paying somebody 50, 55 million. Or in Rogers case, you built this whole team around him and you're just not going to tell him you fired somebody. That's insane.
I disagree.
Nobody would do that.
I disagree. I think they honestly had a conversation. They slept on it overnight, and the owner's like, I'm not going to put this on Rogers. That's his, you know, he and Salah have a good relationship, all that stuff. There's so many interpersonal relationships. I think Woody Johnson is a 77 year old owner who's like, I don't want to watch this anymore. I need a spark.
I'm making a move counter. What's the upside? What else are you going to say? Like, yeah, we talked to Aaron. He knew, like, you can't. You're just going to fall on the sword every time for the start. That's what the NBA teams, this has been like. You think about people like LeBron. Like, you think for the last 15 years of his career, they weren't running every move by LeBron. It's like, yeah, we got to trade Russell Westbrook. Let's not tell LeBron like they're fucking telling him.
I mean, the irony of all of this, and Bill, I tend to lean more in your direction on this one, is that Aaron Rodgers wasn't good on Sunday. I don't know if he was exactly the reason that they lost, but he had never thrown two picks in the first quarter of a game in his entire career. One of the reasons why they fell behind so badly is because they were turning the ball over that in that in the fourth quarter, if he hits that throw to Garrett Wilson along the sideline, they're walking off and winning that.
Game or Mike Williams won the next time or he threw the pick. Yeah.
And he's not moving the same.
Either he hurt his ankles significantly, like he was banged up. And I think the jets fans are surprised he's, you know, actually, you know, as good as he is right now. But I hear you guys. I'm not dumb. Like, I know how any company works. And they all flew out to Malibu and sat in his house and begged him to come there and explain. I get it. I'm not dumb.
At some point you reach the consultancy stage of stardom with the team and I think he's there would be my guess. But, like, Mahomes is like, if the Chiefs did anything and Mahomes like, yeah, I had no idea. I'm sorry. I'm just never believing that there's no way they're not running stuff. Yeah, we traded Travis Kelsey.
You're putting me in a tussle because I sound idiotic saying that he did. I think there is a reality where they talked about, you know, just the game, whatever. And then Woody says on his own, you know what? Like, Rodgers doesn't seem thrilled. We're not thrilled watching this. I need make a change.
Asked him, like, whether he told him he was doing that.
He put on Rogers, I think. Yeah.
Like, Woody, how's the coach?
I don't think the owners, I don't think they would put that on him in that responsibility. I don't think they want.
You're putting anything past Woody Johnson as a maniac.
Do you think he's rational in sort of in Peter's defense for what he's saying? I think what is happening right now is obviously Johnson, when he was the ambassador of the UK, was away from the team for a few years and things really went downhill when he was away from the team and he's been.
He was. When he was really involved, it was going so great.
It wasn't. It wasn't. But there was a time when he was the owner in the Rex period where things looked good and it seemed like that was going to be a good ownership group.
Group.
And. And they are now mired in the longest playoff drought in 13 years.
They have not been to the playoffs.
Yes. So I think there's a case to be made that Woody is like, I got legacy stuff on the line here, like, aside from my family business, this is something I will be remembered for if I turn out to be a world class bad sports owner in New York. That's not something you want to be.
So he's James Dawn's like, hold my beer.
But look, that's another team that where a guy backed away and all of a sudden they're a very interesting proposition in the city. And also, honestly, the Mets and the Yankees and the Knicks all being exciting and the jets being a tire fire is terrible. And that's something you feel when you live in New York. So I wonder if some of that is contributing to him. He's never fired a coach this early into the season like this. This is something he's never done before.
So I'm sure he's feeling rare thing in general. It is like once a year maybe.
And I honestly think the fact that he did not hire Robert sala, it's like, this is not my handpick guy. This team is built to win right now with this quarterback right now. If this can salvage the season, this is my sign to the fans that I'm actually doubling down on this team and saying, I know we're not winning a Super bowl as it is right now. I know we're not winning Super bowl with salah as our head coach.
I am going to do this in January.
I'm going to do this and I will create this atmosphere that, okay, same old jets. We're idiots. But if that's what it takes to salvage this thing, I don't just want to watch the season go down the tubes with a guy that I didn't pick, that I don't think is going to win us a Super bowl.
So explain to me pro football, why they couldn't just get Mike Vrabel 10 hours after they fire salad.
You can. Vrabel's under contract because people are like.
Oh, it's so hard for a coach to come in. So I, during this, I'm like, is it?
Is it that hard? I actually had conversations about this because I didn't think varieble. I thought Belichick, like, is it possible now he hates the jack.
He hates the jack.
I don't think he'll ever do it. I was just thinking hypothetically, and the only situation that that's been done off the couch, not a coach, not with the team, mid season, was Saturday, and that was because that's RSA's guy and he did it. But Saturday was on ESPN. He's like midway through this season, having never coached before in the NFL.
And then I bet against him and they won.
They beat the Raiders. They beat the Raiders. It's still crazy that they did that. Then I was thinking, well, I'm watching Belichick, he's following the game as close as anybody. And the jets, he despises the jets and doesn't like the Johnson family and so he wouldn't go there. But hypothetically, if another coach was fired, mcSeason, could Abelacek come over now, Vrabels.
Just come in and have a great.
Another coach with a lot of jets history.
Yeah. Fired after a year.
They could. Technically legal. They could. It's just you don't know those coaches. You don't know that offense. You don't know the defense. It'd be more than anything, just a rah rah guy usually. And just, hey, I'm here to change.
I would have gotten brabo five minutes later. I think that guy's like a top set.
And he would have to, I mean, obviously figure it out. Tennessee's paying him a ton already. Cleveland has him on staff. I'm sure Cleveland would let him leave to go be.
I guess the tough thing would be taking over another coaching staff because I know doc doc even talked about that publicly. You're inheriting all these people and it turns into Game of Thrones with all the assistants. Quickly. Jets are plus 310 on Fanduel to win the division. Right now, the alt win total for the jets on Fanduel is over. Nine and a half is plus 235. And then eight and a half is the over.
Do you have.
Okay, do the jets go nine and eight?
I think that they can. I don't know if they will. I will say historically, this division is usually a bloodbath and the jets are typically at the bottom. So if we're in a year where the jets are like a 910.
But think the Pats are awful and Miami's awful.
Exactly. That's my point.
You haven't even played the Pats yet.
Yes, and the Bills have beat the Pats week three.
Oh, yeah. Have they played the Dolphins?
They have not played the Dolphins.
That's what it is. Yeah. They have three games left against those two.
Yeah.
They're plus 110 over eight and a.
Half, which is more of a reason I think, that there was an urgency to get this done.
We're going to take a break and then I want to go through the last 50 years of jets coaches and see if Sean tries to stab himself with that Starbucks cup.
You ready for some co type talk?
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And the jets were kind of parallel. They actually had a couple good moments too. And then we kind of both settled into just being the black sheeps of the AFC simultaneously. But I can start to really remember football around the mid seventies. Lou Holtz was the jets coach at 76, coached 13 games and then got fired or quit three and ten. But then they brought in Walt Michaels, and Walt Michaels presided over I think the 82 jets, which made the they lost to Miami 14 nothing. So I started researching this Walt Michaels, that was his last game. They lost the AFC title game 14 nothing. And this is in the research. The day after that game, Michaels did not show up for the jets final team meeting. 17 days later he retired, saying a break, saying he needed a break. The New York Times reported that during Michaels last meeting with Leon Hess, the Jets owner, he was told to resign, given a $400,000 financial package and encouraged to seek treatment for alcohol abuse. He accepted the terms and then coached in the USFL three years later and that was it. He was replaced by the one and only Joe Walton.
Joe Walton, I was going to say.
So my high school buddy Jim Grady, diehard Jets and we got to know each other in the mid eighties and Joe Walton was our favorite because the camera would always catch him picking his nose on the sidelines.
That's the insight you come for.
He would just be kind of like one knuckle deep every time they showed it. But we thought it was the funniest thing he there was some good jets years I mean, there was that Richard.
Todd year, the sack exchange, and then Kenny O'Brien had some years where they would actually win games.
They were favored in the Pats playoff game when the Pats won the Super bowl. Anyway, he lasted through the eighties. I looked up his New York Times obit and the headline of it was Joe Walton, Giant star, who found futility as jets coach dies at 85. That was the headline.
That's some dig. Headline.
Futility, guys. Dang.
Give him a little bit of flowers here.
So then next was the immortal Bruce Koslet. Is that the first coach you remember or. No, it is.
I was telling you earlier, Bill, that one of my first sports memories, probably my first football memory, because I was a baseball fan. And I remember the Mets being good in 88, but in 90 when Kozla came in, my father despised Bruce Koslitt.
Bruce Koslet, he coached full haircut and really starter Jack, starter jacket. I remember he looked like a SNL.
Character, that like orangey hair color. He was a very stoic figure. But he coached eight NFL seasons in full and never had a winning season. So he was kind of Robert Sala before Robert Sala. He was a wildly unsuccessful.
Was it Bengals first and then Jets.
Jets, then Bengals.
Jets, then Bengals. Yeah, I remember him at both. Yeah.
No winning seasons for the jets. Replaced by Pete Carroll.
Yep. One year.
One year and done. And then I forgot. Cause I was researching this. It was the fake Spike.
No, it was 94. It was the famous year.
They're like six and five. I watched that game when it happened. Marino does the fake.
I was there.
Oh, you went?
I was there. There with my friend Matt, nay, my friend Josh Levin. We all went and they were like six and four, maybe at the time.
Six and five.
Six and five. They were hot. Then they lost every game the rest of the season.
Yeah. And it was like, I guess he had to go.
And that was Mark Ingram's dad, Mark Ingram. Four touchdowns that game, or three touchdowns for the Dolphins.
So they bring in rich kotite from the Eagles, who was four and 28 in two years.
Unbelievable.
And then there's a whole, I didn't get fired. I quit. And he was like, well, we were about to fire you and you quit. But that was when they got Neil Donald. This is my favorite version of the jets. They signed Neil Donald from the Steelers. And he had the press conference. And I was living with my buddy Jeff gall at the time and Neil, Vikings, man.
Yeah, I'm a listener.
Neil came in. He's like, I was brought here to win games. He talked like, francesa, I'm a winner. The jets are winners. And we were like, this is amazing. The jets definitely aren't winners. And he was terrible. Replaced by Bill Parcells. That's fun.
Great little run.
That's the best jets coach you ever had, right?
By far.
Three years of Bill Parcels and Bella check on staff. Well, there's a Bella check on staff.
Yeah. Painful test of early injury that colors this period. Because otherwise this could have been a great team.
You know, I think I bet on them. In the AFC title game against the.
Broncos, they were up ten nothing in that game.
At halftime, it felt like they were going to win.
We're up. Keep fires.
Bunch of weird shit happened. All right, so. Replaced by Al Gro. Went nine and seven and then resigned and coached University of Virginia.
Went to college.
Really weird Al Gro during this season. Bear in mind, I'm a diehard jets fan. In college or in high school at this time. One of my close friends in high school starts dating Al Gros son the year he starts as the coach.
Wow.
And when I met his son, who was a really nice guy, I was like, brother, there's a lot riding on this hire. Your dad better not fuck this up. And he bailed in like twelve weeks. He did, and went to Uva.
You know, I knew his brother, Wayne Gro, who. He was working with a crew, and things went wrong. Getting shot in a hotel room. So then there was the belichick never actually hired crazy Herm Edwards.
Yeah, good years.
So I'm writing my column at that point. And people at Kerm Edwards just.
Are just gold mine.
One of the worst game management people who ever lived just seemed completely confused. He, like, if they had all the stuff they had now of the analytics, whether you should punt or gut, Herm Edwards would have, like, broken the nerds. He. He would like, punt from his. From the 34 yard line. So first year, though, of Herm, did.
They not go to the playoffs?
I think they might have. He jumped to Kansas City.
Well, he went like four and twelve.
Yeah.
And they were going to fire him.
He jumped to Kansas City. So he's gone. And you hire the man, genius. You hire Belichick's protege, whose really only legacy was he starts spygate, blows the whistle on Belichick, starts this Belichick blood feud that now is, is paying off against you. Because Belichick probably would have taken over the jets if that never happened. But Sean hates Belichick, so he's fine.
Belichick's like 300 years old. That's all right, man. Genie, I remember being really happy during that period, and I feel like he got kind of short shrift, and I.
Don'T fully understand what happened. And then, of course, the brush off of the handshake with Belichick is legendary. And then I know this sounds so ringer. And the soprano scene was a huge deal when Artie Bucco is like the main genius. He was like. It was like crossover event. Like, oh, my God. And everyone wasn't like, oh, we hate that coach. They're like, we love that guy. After one year, he was. He was awesome with the jets. And then as it goes.
So why. So he never worked again?
No, he went to Cleveland. He was the head coach with the brows.
That's right. I had him on the podcast and I was still kind of pissed about Spygate. We talked it out. I was about as I'm not never adversarial, whatever podcast guest. That one I was like, I had. Yeah.
And how do you handle it?
It was good.
He actually was talking about it openly because I know he's on fs one a bunch. I see him on the first things.
Ten years ago, but he still remember talk about it. I think we talked about it.
Yeah. Okay.
Bill Wade, I have a question for you. Have you reconciled the fact that your six Super bowl rings are built on a pile of lies and that you cheated? You know what?
They changed the rules in zero seven and Belichick forgot. And it was just one game of cheating and, you know, we paid the price. First round pick.
What about first round? Those balls? Was that an issue?
I seem to that was that all the evidence is that they were full shit on that one.
Okay, I have a question. Sean, I know you're the movie guy, but I'm sure you've seen the clips. And Bill, of course. Any thoughts on the clips that have gone viral from the Aaron Hernandez television show of some of these acting bits of real.
Ryan Murphy's just never seen a football game before.
It doesn't appear to be the case. He seems to be really comfortable with serial murderers and portraying them for whatever reason. Football players not working.
Wait, a couple more coaches. Rex Ryan, your second best. That worked out great.
Some great times.
Foot fetish scandal. And then just kind of went sideways.
And he saved his job with a win. The final game against Miami brought back one more year after the. And then that year was like done.
Went into Belichick's house and beat him and talked all kinds of shit. No doubt was a real thing.
Probably the greatest coach moment.
Coach Buffalo afterwards.
Oh, yeah, he went to Buffalo. Todd Bowles, when ten and six in.
2015 missed the playoffs with Ryan Fitzpatrick as quarterback. And they just missed the playoffs. Jets have been victims of this a few times. They were eleven and five, the castle year, where I think that was the pat.
Yeah, the Pats. They all went eleven and five and.
Then this year they went ten and six and it's like they couldn't do anything in the postseason.
So he was ten and six and 15, and then the wheels came off just for the jets in general. You're like 43 and 93, six. But he was nine and 23, I remember in jets nation, and we knew each other by then. People felt like the team, like, he wasn't that bad. It was just the quarterback situation was such a disaster.
The GM Mcagnan was like the great ire everyone had, I don't think, lost their jobs.
The jets fans weren't like, God, get this guy out of here, though, were they? I don't remember that.
I think by the end they were. But that first season was the year when it was a. Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker were on the outside as their members, and they were incredible. That was the most exciting offense.
They had an overtime win over the Patriots where Decker has a touchdown and Fitzpatrick hits him. And it was like, all right, like, this could work.
Then Adam Gase, who I don't even think is coaching anymore. Right.
Gase was high school and living down in Alabama for a while. I'm not sure what he's up to now.
He's on the 33rd team. He's like an advisor.
Is that consulting?
He's not even coaching high school.
He was making money from both the Dolphins and the jets for many, many years. I think those contracts have probably expired. But at one point, he was double dipping with both teams, having been fired by both teams with years left on both contracts.
And he, he's the worst of all of these coaches, right? Have you had a worst coach?
Adam Gase, he, I mean, he was wildly inept, but he also was at a time when those rosters were really bad, too, and that was the tail end of the Mcagnan era. It was right before Joe Douglas came in for his last season. You know, we haven't said the, have we even said the name Joe Douglas to this point? You know, he's been there for years.
Yeah.
Yeah. If you look at his record, his record was actually a lot worse than Robert Salas, though he did inherit an absolute disaster in that first gay season. But it just honestly, I don't. I'm not passing judgment. It just seemed like there was something wrong with Adam Gase. Like, it was impossible to tell what convinced Christopher Johnson to hire him in the first place because he was, you know, had that famous press conference where he just sounds loopy and he was a disaster from the very beginning.
And then Sal and then Ulbricht.
The Salah one is interesting because of that year and the way the coaches were all being interviewed. And I remember talking to you, and I believe it was house at the time, and you guys were all like, salah to Detroit. Right? And I remember saying, like, maybe he's a local guy there, but I know he's going to have other opportunities. And they hired Dan Campbell. Even before that. Everyone's like Dan Campbell. And the irony is, here's Dan Campbell of all that. I wish we had the whole list, but I think it was like. Like Mike McDaniel, Robert Sala, and then I remember Kingsbury interviewed with the jets, but Michael Bidwell had a plane waiting for him out there right afterwards. And it was like, if he gets on that plane, he's going to Arizona. And Cliff went and took the Arizona job and had to get out of USC. But, like, that was a crazy year of who's going where?
And Salah.
I think a lot of jets fans were happy with it. Here's a. All business, tough nose defensive coach, and I think, you know, four years later, it's Tober.
So top three. Top three jets coaches. Parcels? One.
Yes.
Although Rex Ryan's two.
Rex got farther, more consistently. I mean, Rex wins two consecutive AFC.
Championships and beat Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in playoff games.
Parcell's changed the culture of the team.
Parcell's went and got Curtis Martin from the Pats. Like he. The jets were a laughing stock and it felt like he fixed it.
Those parcels teams were awesome. Like Richie Anderson.
They were good.
Keith Byrd.
They definitely had identity. Yeah, a lot of old school. So who's the third best jets coach of your lifetime, then?
This is sad. Is it Al Gore for one year?
I mean, he's the only one with a winning record, right?
That day means nothing to any Jet fan. It's like one year.
Is he the only one with a winning record aside from Parcells and Rex?
Yeah.
So it's got to be Al Grohnde.
Can I ask you as a Jet fan? Because already fans, all my jet fans, fans are texting me and it's like, do you want to go brable Belichick style or would you want young hotshot Ben Johnson, Cliff Kingsbury, or Hotshot college coach? Like, where's your head now? Coming off the Sala era?
Ridiculous.
Well, this is complete wish casting, but I saw somebody pitch the idea of Mike Vrabel as head coach and Kevin Stefanski getting fired and coming in as the OC now, that two time coach of the year.
If Stefanski was available, I would put him on the Vrabeau level.
Yeah, fancy. Great.
By the way, the Stefanski thing, we're going to talk about it after Sean leaves, but it's a little similar to Salah with Zach Wilson last year, where.
You'Re playing the guy.
You're playing the guy that they told you to play. Yeah, like, he clearly didn't have a choice. He didn't want to keep playing Zach Wilson.
I'm a big Kevin Stefanski fan. As far as knowing how he operates in that building and how the players respond and what he did in Minnesota, and he's a two time coach of the year. I'd be shocked if they fired him at the end of this season.
All right, we'll talk Mets quick, and then we'll let Shawn go.
So 40 minutes on the jets being horrible and quick talk about one of the most exciting sports things that's ever happened to me.
Yeah, I think. I think Winker could play for the jets.
That guy.
He's got that, you know, they could.
Use him right now so it could be met. We're taping this before the game five. Could be Mets Dodgers. Could be Mets Padres. If it's Mets Dodgers and the Yankees make it awesome. And the two scenarios for the World Series are Yankees Mets or Yankees Dodgers Fox.
Hello.
Fucking amazing.
It's amazing.
And I don't even know we had Yankees Mets already. I would assume Yankees Ohtani is the all time.
Although I know obviously, ratings wise, Dodgers like the Padres, like they peacock and they're loud and those fans are nuts. Like that's even a good scenario. That's fun, too.
When did you, did you see any sign that this Mets team was going to make it to the Final Four ever?
I don't, I would never would have guessed they would have gotten to the NLCS, but I did say on the record to Chris Ryan in July when they were in the midst of turning the season around. You know what this reminds me of, Chris, is this reminds me of the 2022 Phillies. And this is the team you don't want to see in the playoffs because something happened where the switch flipped in June and they started to play incredibly competent baseball, where it was like every part of their game was rock solid, their rotation tightened up, their defense was great, and Lindor started hitting. And as soon as that started happening, I was like, oh, shit. This is like the d backs last year. This is like the Phillies in 22. This is a. This is the common thing now that happens with this new format in MLB where it's like, you run into this team that is hot for a couple of months and you're in trouble. Look at the Tigers right now. Whatever's happening is crazy. So I I did sense that there was something special. And then if you've watched the team at all in the last 50 or 60 days, they got juice, man.
Like, they just. They believe. They are fearless. They have a guy who now is like, lindor is now very quietly climbing and the metal ladder, an all century ladder.
Like, was that reaction to the grand slam? Like, doesn't even flint. Like, it's like, no big deal.
Just the running around him. That's what I'm calling it.
It was so crazy. Yeah, there was no. No fist pump. Just like, like, whatever.
Yeah. Cause it seems the baseball reactions now, which I've really enjoyed, flip into the past. Cause they either are now, like all time crazy aggro, where SNL could do a sketch of a guy hits a homer and then just starts taking off all his clothes and whipping him down and doing, like, the Chris Farley Chippendale sketch, basically. Or it's like the Lindor reaction. It's just I'm too cool to, like.
I'm trying to pick a compare. Cause I've lived in this market, obviously, and all my friends are Mets fans. The ownership change feels like it matters, too. And I cover the NFL, and it's like, in Washington. You feel that as a Mets fan, what's the wife's name? Cause she's involved, too. It's Steve Cohen and Alex Cohen. They're in the locker room celebrating and they're fun and they're young, and he's like, how about this Lindor? I feel like that matters, too, that it's like this veil of ownership changed, and now there's this fresh blood, and it's like, we like this guy. We're rooting for our owner.
So I'll tell you this. This is a very sad admission, but I will make it here publicly on the biggest sports podcast in the universe. In the 9th inning of game three of the wild Card series, before Pete Alonso came to bat, I had a tweet prepared. A tweet fired up.
Oh, you had a tweet draft?
I had a tweet draft. Here's the tweet draft.
It was right above your tweet of don't give up on Adam Driver yet. The 8th movie is going to be the charm.
This was sort of the inverse of my belief in Adam Driver. The tweet was going to say something along the lines of, in four years of ownership and over $1.1 billion spent on player salary, Steve Cohen has two playoff wins to show. And then Pete Alonso stepped up and hit an incredible three run home run months of being terrible and just changed and turned everything around for, like, the 10th time this season for the Mets. And so, Peter, deep down, I really want Steve Cohen to be are George Steinbrenner, you know, the guy who comes in and money and just bring speaker three. Yes. But the truth is, I think what happened is, is that four years ago, when he bought the team, everybody knew David Stearns wanted to be the general manager of the Mets. Steve Cohen wanted him to be the general manager, and they had to wait out his brewers contract, and they did, and they brought him in. And almost everything that David Stearns did for this team worked. And all of it in the offseason looked like it wasn't going to work. I was like, what is this offseason? This is like a reset year.
No one has high expectations. But now I'm like, wow, we have a baseball wizard, the richest owner in the sport, and we're built around Lindor like this. We're in an amazing spot right now.
Yeah, well, it's a good example of, like, the Celtics. That wholesale process is going to happen in the next six weeks. Right? And if you're. I've talked about this before, but if you're, like, a super duper rich guy, you're just a super duper rich guy, and you hang out with other super duper rich guys, and. And, you know, nobody knows who you are. But now, Steve Cohen, who, I know he was a name, but I didn't know who he was. I didn't know what he looked like. And now this guy is going to New York. People are congratulating him. People are thanking him. Every restaurant he's in, people like little eight year old kids like, this is my son, Johnny. All he's wanted was a good.
I assure you, Steve and Alex Cohen have been going to the Hamptons for 30 years in the summers, and no one pays two cent to him. And then next summer, they're going to be the toast of the ten.
Yeah. And this is why these. This is why the Celtics are worth, like, high fours. And we'll probably go for six, no doubt. Cause if you own that team and that start, like, who knew who wick Rosbeck was? Who knew Joe Lacope was totally. And then on the flip side, who knew who Woody Johnson was? But now we know who he is, unfortunately. But it's. That's the seesaw. So you got Woody Johnson over here, and you got Steve Cohen over here, who's now, like, if. If they beat the Yankees in the World Series. Oh, that guy is like. He might as well have cured cancer.
Yeah, forget it. His great great great great grandchildren will be legends in New York.
Right?
This is also, like, deep cut baseball. But the 05:00 eastern start for all these Mets playoff games. All my friends got to go. They went after work. They are home at a normal hour. They brought their kids. There was a really cool piece to this.
Yeah.
Those games at Citi Field have all been daytime games for the most part. And it's like. Like, generationally acceptable. And, you know, for us who cover the NFL and cover basketball, you don't get a 05:00 start anymore. And that was really cool to watch this in the fall in New York.
The flip side is it's not eternal. Like, John Henry could have sold the Red Sox in 2019, not traded Mookie bets. And he would have been beloved. You know, he would have been Paul Revere. And now people are like, get this fucking guy out of here. Don't bid on the Celtics, motherfucker.
But I would take those titles in a minute, bill. I know those World Series that you got, man. I would.
Yeah, no, that's how I should be thinking about it. But then I watched Mookie in a playoff game, and I'm just like, motherfucker.
Where were you when Kenny Rogers walked Andrew Jones? Where were you for that one?
Oh, Jesus.
I don't even remember. I mean, I'm sure I was in my living room at the time.
Okay. I have memories of all the Mets losses, you know, Adam Wainwright getting Beltran. I mean, all of these games.
It's so hard for way.
No.
To be calling that this Met series, too. It's just, like, sticking in my chest.
Tell your Alonzo home run story.
Let me hear it.
Where were you?
I was in New York because we were doing a live rewatchables, and I was at the New York film festival, and I was thrilled to be in New York, and I am too afraid to watch a game like that. In public. And so I sat alone in my hotel room, and I screamed so loud that I had someone next door knock on my door after the home run and say, please pipe down. And I was honestly, I cried. I'm not afraid to say it. I had cruised in my eyes. I was like, this is so fucking special, man. This is so. This is exactly. My wife is like, why do you watch sports? Cause my life is so miserable as a sports fan. And as soon as that happened, I texted her, this is why I watch sports. Cause it can make you feel that way. It was amazing.
You know, it's funny.
So beautiful.
I love that the Mets are responsible for the worst loss I ever had. Game 619 86. Like, the darkest moment I've ever had in sports, basically. And. And now it's been so many years. I actually kind of, like. I have a lot of Mets fans in my life, too, but I've actually found myself rooting for them. Like, it's. And plus, we won four World Series, but it just seems like a kajillion years ago. The Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley and Mookie, all that shit.
That's the last time it felt like they had magic, too. I mean, that is really the last time you could point to. And it's almost 40 years ago now. And so that, you know, I don't know if it's going to continue.
It was the mic. It was before your time, but the Mike. The Dodgers playoff game in 88.
Yeah.
Mike Sochi hit the home run.
Yeah, I.
And from that point on, it was really only that one time, right at. Right around when Grantland got canned. They made the World Series that year.
Yeah. Against the Royals, which was a great.
Year, but is a very painful memory because they were ahead, I think, in three out of those five games after the 7th inning. And so it's. It's a very painful memory thing about. But that playoff run was really great. I was. I went to Dodgers Mets games that year, and they were fantastic. But something is different this year.
I think we're the same age, Sean, I think. Did you tell me you had this? I had a vhs tape about the 86 Mets, and they would show Davy Johnson with the rabbit and the magic number. And the soundtrack was amazing. And it was like, wow, boys. Wow, boys. And it was like Wally Backman and Lenny Dykstra. And that's my memories of, like, the Mets Wally backman, the guy coming in with fan man coming down into the stand. And that was the team that beat Urs. And that's been. I mean, that's a long, long time ago.
This Mets team does have. When you look at Jesse winker, when you look at Jose Iglesias, when you look at Alonzo, there's a lot of dudes on this team who have a lot of personality, who have a lot of bits. This is a team full of gimmicks, all the grimace stuff, the OMG.
OMG.
There's just, like, a lot of lore that is building historically in baseball. If there's a lot of lore, it tends to carry on. I have no idea if they run into the Padres. I'm pretty nervous. The Padres are loaded. But if it's the dodger, all of a sudden you start fantasizing, you know.
We had it happen in 2013 with that team. Yeah.
Everyone thinks of the 304 team. Yeah.
That was the team that came out of nowhere. Shane Victorino. Poppy was, like, larger than life. I think the difference. The difference with this Mets team, and I'm only saying this from afar, versus that 2015 team, is the Lindor piece. Cause you. You need that guy on offense that you feel like is a superhero. And you didn't have that guy in 2015, but, like, in 13, it was like, we just got to get Ortiz up. He's going to. He'll do something. And you just, like, you have so much superhero trust.
I mean, I'm watching. I'm watching these games, and I'm a Fox employee, and I respect, you know, a rod and Jeter and those guys. I'm putting on sny afterwards just to get the local flavor and to get, like, the Snyder guy, and that's kind of how the Red Sox, you put on nesting. Like, you want to see what's going on and what they're saying like that.
But did the Yankees have that in the same way with this team?
I don't know. The yes crew is different. Like, the Mets thing is, like, does.
Judge have that superhero factor?
Yeah.
He hasn't performed in the regular season.
Yeah.
Yes.
And I think it's almost like Stanton becomes the superhero.
He has been.
Yeah, he has been. And that's the thing. I was like, the Mets are this, like, feel good amazing. Like, the Yankees. It's almost, like, in this city, at least that's the stand.
But the Mets are going through a gauntlet, and the Yankees are like, this fucking ridiculous Tigers team, the Guardians, and then they're playing the Royals. I'm in an AL keeper league. Like, those guys are being passed around on the auction wire. There's closers materializing with six weeks left in the season, it just feels like it's just set up for the Yankees cruise in. Yeah, you're kind of.
Yeah, there's love for New York. It's great.
Well, I don't like.
You would hate the Yankees winning this one.
I like the Yankees only winning one World Series in the centuries. So if it's Yankees Dodgers, Yankees Mets, Yankees pie, you know, whoever it is, you know where Bill Simmons will be standing on the opposite side.
For baseball purposes, Judge Ohtani is pretty amazing box office, but for my purposes, Lindor Judge would be. Well, honestly, what I want is Lindor versus, I don't know, the Guardians. Like, that would probably be the title.
What about MJ Melendez versus Tatis? Not the same.
Coming up next.
All right, Sean, fantasy. What a run for you. What was the best movie you saw at the New York Film Festival?
Probably the shrouds, which is David Cronenberg's sad movie about what happens when your wife dies and then you get super horny. So check that out in a theater near you in 2025.
Wow.
Did you go to Toronto? Were you at the Toronto Film Festival?
I didn't. I went to Telluride this year.
Okay. Cause apparently this Paul Rudd Tim Robinson movie is just batshit crazy, and I cannot wait for this.
So a friend of mine produced it, and he told me one year ago, this is going to be the funniest movie of the last ten years.
Wow.
So, Bill, mark that.
Not high stakes, because I was there for the last ten years, but that still sounds great.
They did say they're trying to get back to where we were earlier in this century with comedies Tim Robinson and Paul Rudd. It's called Friendship.
It's basically Paul Rudd plays a local Weatherman, and Tim Robinson just thinks he's really fucking cool and wants to get to know him and just, like, hangs with round him and follows him to his local remote hits. I'm in.
That sounds great. Well, we, Sean and I, are on silence of the Lambs live rewatchables next Monday, which included. I'm not going to apologize for a lot of James gum content, just a lot too much. Was it too much jame gum content?
I thought it was a lot of fun and a great show. And, Bill, as I said to people at the bar afterwards, I was like, b's still the best in the business. Knows how to set people up, no doubt. How to bring on the heat. You were great. I loved. I had so much fun.
Well, and we're going to be doing a hereditary later this month.
Very exciting.
Yeah. Which is for some reason a super popular film in the Simmons family.
They love it. I mean, it's horrifying.
My star, my son and my wife, they'll just crank it on. I'm like, want to watch hereditary? I'm like, you guys are insane. I only want to see this movie twice anyway. All right, fantasy. Good luck with the Madden.
Thanks, guys. See you later, shrikes.
Welcome to who's delivering? Presented by Uber Eats, where we break down the NFL players who have delivered so far this season from household names to out of nowhere surprises. Peter Schrager is with me. Who's your favorite out of nowhere surprise?
Tyrone Tracy of the New York Giants.
Wow.
Saturday night gets to call up. Devon Singletary is not going to go. We're going to give Tyrone Tracy a day three pick. The rock. And in his first game, with everyone picking him up on waiver, delivers for everyone. 129 yards and a tug in his first big NFL game.
I would have to go with Kareem Hunt, who I thought his career was over.
29 carries.
I thought it was done. And he was on the waiver wire in fantasy, and people were like, oh, it's Kareem Hunt. Forgot he was still in the lead. And then Carson Steele fumbles, and that's it. All of a sudden, cream hunt. Is cream hunt back again? Here's another one, though. Who? We got this packers tight end Tucker Kraft.
Do you know his story?
What's the story?
He's from a town of 500 people called Timberlake, South Dakota, and he played at this tiny, tiny school. And they took Musgrave early as a tight end. They took him later in the draft as a tight end last year, started picking it up, and now is like, the most beloved guy in the locker room. Awesome player. Two touchdowns, angry, stiff arms, the whole.
I have him on all three teams. Like, is he, like, one of the top? Like, I have him and Laporte on a team. I'm like, I don't know who to start with.
Tucker Krabs.
I don't know what to do. Poor Luke Musgrave, who I thought was going to be this. Yeah. Tucker Kraft. That's a. That's another good one. All right. That was. Who's delivering? Presented by Uber Eats. You know, who's that? Who's that wide receiver who might get the Raiders number one job of Devontae Trey Turner. I'm going to put him on Uber eats. Watch.
Okay.
On watch, like two, three weeks from now. That's something I like about him.
I like the packers safety Evan Williams. You watch them at all, Evan. Ten tackles last week. Everyone loves Xavier McKinney. Big name Evan Williams, rookie.
That's my other guy that was who's delivering. Presented by Uber Eats, where you can get the best deals on game day food all season long. Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order now. All right, we're going to do some burning questions on the NFL season that don't have to do with the New York jets. First one Sal and I talked about this Sunday, still don't have an answer on Thursday. Why won't the Browns bench DeShawn Watson there? 18.2% on third down this year, which I didn't even think was possible. Like one out of every five third downs, converting. They can't even do that. Think about third down. You have like third and one. Yeah, third and two. Third and 418.2%. It's like impossible.
They don't think they're at that point yet. They don't think it's Deshaun Watson's fault. And they think that. That if the couple balls bounced differently the first few weeks, they'd be three and one going into last week. Last week was the first game where they just got absolutely blown out. And you look at that game, there's no juice. There's no signs of the dynamic. You know, play with his feet that he used to have.
And it doesn't seem like he has the same zip in his arm either. He honestly doesn't. If you go back on YouTube and you watch, like, 2019, Houstone, it looks like a different point.
He was amazing.
Yeah, he kind of looks like. Like Jaden Daniels ish now.
Like just moving around the third week of his rookie season, they had Tom Savage the first two weeks. They put him in at halftime against the Bengals, and he was outstanding. And then he almost beat the Patriots the next week in New England. Like, he had an incredible start to his pro career playoff games, the whole thing. Even last year when he gets back, he had one really good game. They played the Ravens in Baltimore. Yeah, he was outstanding, but he got hurt, and that's when Flaco came in and it was like, all right, that's what we're getting when we get him back. He just hasn't been that this year. But they haven't gone to Jamis. And the thought there, and I've spoken, you know, when we discussed the Browns, I heard you in Sal diamond. Thought is Chubb's coming back. We still have some, you know, players that we're still getting used to this.
I have Chubb on every fan.
He's gonna be all right, dude, Chubb's a beast.
I've been watching the. They have videos like, watch Chubb dance side by side by side.
Chubb. Forget about Chubby. He's been out for a long time. And the hope is that, like, instead of pulling the plug, it's the opposite of the jets. Instead of pulling the plug and, you know, throwing the grenade and saying, all right, we're just going to go to Jameis Winston, that we could still win with Deshaun Watson. What we see in practice is that he's the best way we can win.
And you honestly believe.
No, I don't. I'm here for pull the plug and put in Jamis. If the same, I could see a spark, something. Jamis at least can rally the team and get them energized.
Like, I don't know, is like Derrick Henry, where you just kind of forget, and then you watch him just. Just bowling over, like, oh, yeah, there's.
Nobody, like, coming off serious injury, but the hope is that when he gets back and maybe Deshaun Watson can come to life again. I don't know.
Is he this week? No.
No, I don't, actually, we're doing this on Thursday. He's practicing.
There's, like, yet the yellow news update, and the red flag is next time, so. I don't know.
Not on pup. It's. Yeah.
Here's the thing with Deshawn that I don't. I thought was a really good case Mike Lombardi made about lottery winners. Sometimes when people just make a lot of money, it changes their perspective on stuff. They lose incentive. And I was like, that's interesting, because when I watch him, I don't see a guy who's competitive like the guy in Houston. Other people have made the case that all the off the field shit that happened to him and being villainized, and, you know, rightly so with some of the charges, um, that that kind of changed something in him, and he lost, like, the joy. But this is. I think Shannon Sharpe was the one who mentioned the Ben Simmons analogy. I thought that was an injury, and that was like, he's in his own head with the free throw shooting, and it kind of, like, broke his brain. But it feels like there's this new era of a player can just have their brain broken by some sort of outside force. You don't know what it is. I watch him in these games, and he just doesn't seem competitive.
Yeah. And it doesn't seem like they're going to win when he takes the field.
And obviously, I don't think they're like his teammates think.
I don't know. And that's the thing. I don't know. They're publicly, they're all behind him and publicly Stefanski is behind him and the Haslams are behind him. And that they have shown that by giving him this opportunity. But if you really want to look at it, he hasn't been himself over a course of a stretcher game since.
20, 2017, Cleveland starts, hasn't thrown for 300 yards yet.
No. And Stefanski is a great coach.
Right. That's.
And they've got Judy and Cooper, two stud wide receivers, guys that can do it. And Joku, when he's healthy, is a good tight end.
So if you're making the case against them, it's no chub. Lot of offensive line injuries. They haven't been able to run the ball at all. I think they're 32nd running the ball and it's like, well, they can't run the ball. Everybody knows they're going to throw. Still nothing. Just making a case.
And if you look at the different games, they've had opportunities late in four of them and couldn't put it away. But I'm not making the case for them. I didn't pick them to go to the playoffs. I didn't. I didn't. I mean, I'm. I've nothing to cape for him on this one. I don't see it.
Well, that leads to my next question, which is, are they one of the four worst NFL teams right now?
Yes.
Because I think you could say, I think Carolina has to be in there.
Oh, absolutely.
I think the Patriots have to be in there.
Yeah.
And then the next two spots are Cleveland, Miami, Tennessee and Las Vegas.
I would say Las Vegas.
So I had Las Vegas third worst, and then that last spot was Cleveland, Miami or Tennessee. And I think I would have Cleveland there.
Yeah, I think that's fair.
But I think if they were healthy, probably not.
Well, let's see.
Tennessee, at least there's some good defensive metrics with them in Tennessee.
Tennessee looked good the last time we saw them. They blew out the Dolphins on the road.
And I think Miami is actually awful.
Oh, I think they're, they're, they're in real trouble.
Yeah.
And they lost Jalen Phillips, who might be their best defensive player. They're in trouble.
Well, that leads, leads to my next question. And I vented about this on a walk and talk on the streets of New York City.
I didn't see it.
No, I did. I did a walk about why didn't the Patriots start Drake band last week. I know what the. This is the stupidest fucking franchise.
I know.
I know the spot was last week. I think they were afraid because of the offensive line, but in my opinion, if you don't start them last week, then he's got to sit for the first three months of the season. But it really seems like Brissette was bad in that game. It was another winnable game, and they were like, you know what? We just need better quarterback play. Let's throw in Drake May. So now they're throwing them in against the Texans, who have really good edge brushers, who have a better coach, the whole thing. And I just, I think the Pats are just rudderless.
Oh, I think. I think there's hope. I think this coach is still. We've got times and things to figure out, but I do think there's no.
I'm talking about ownership. Front office coach.
Interesting. It's you.
The alliance of those three things dating back to when they decided to take Drake May, which they knew they had the third pick the whole time, right?
Yeah. I think drake may still the right pick.
I think so, too.
Yeah.
Did they beef up the offensive line like Washington did or like Carolina did? They did not. So they tried out. This is the, I mean, they have 50 million in cap space still that I guess they're just going to roll over to next year. They know. They have this guy coming in. They bring a Brissette. They know how limited Brissett is, right. The guy can't fucking move. But then they watch Brissette for three games. They would have beaten Niners with the decent quarter.
They were in that game.
They were in that game. I know what the final score was. And people are saying like, well, Brissette's under siege. That's going to be Drake Maine. I'm like, actually, I don't know if that's true because the defenses are so far moved up because Brissette can't throw the ball over the top. They're just like, going in every play, and once you have Drake and he can run around and throw deep, it's going to open up. But last week was the week, and the fact that they didn't do it just makes me think they're fucking stupid.
Well, you watch the same games that I have and you're saying, well, Bursett's the veteran and he's going to let him take the licks was making the same mistakes that a young quarterback would make in the last few years.
Terrible.
I don't think anyone's watching. Dolphins, Patriots.
I was, Kyle and I were watching all those pats.
It was one of the single worst games played by a quarterback. But he was also bad the week before. So even on performance alone, you're like, who's this at number two? I don't care if it's a rookie or not.
He hasn't thrown for 150 yards. He played, what, five games?
And here's the thing. I talked to folks who are, and there's been like, just wait. Drake May is like because he's been getting better and better. Like lighting it up on scout team and then really good this week in practice to the point where they're like, all right, he's ready, but to your point, why not roll him out last week? What's the difference of seven days?
Perfect game.
It would have been perfect.
Miami team that's about to roll over for the season, it looks like.
No doubt they could have been moves.
Lost a bunch of dudes on defense. It's the spot to put him so that he can be ready for this Houston game. I think this, and now we're going to London the week after. I just, it just makes me think they don't know what they're doing.
His whole. Cause I asked folks in New England, like, tell me about Drake May. They're like, all right, not the loudest guy, but like one of those. Just the dudes that everyone loves. Yeah, everyone loves comes from a sports family. When he signed his contract with the Patriots, he flew in all three of his brothers. They all were there.
And his girlfriend from 7th grade.
From 7th grade was there, which is cool.
Like, and he's like, this is my team.
This is my.
All of us.
He's 21 years old. I love him like they love him. I think they didn't want to rush it, but then in the same breath. All right, so bo, Nick's lost a couple of games early on. Phonex is set. He's good. All right, so Caleb looked a little rusty the first two weeks. Caleb looks great.
Well, what are the rookie quarterbacks are like eight and one?
Yeah, it's the last two weeks. Last three weeks. And it's all right. Take your bruises. You're not winning the Super bowl. So there's this argument and I would go back and find everyone on all the morning shows, ours first, take whatever else and all the pods. After two weeks, like, you know, why why do we. These quarterbacks need time to develop and they need time like they shouldn't be thrown in. That's why Caleb's struggling. And it's like two weeks later, like, no, they're good, they're fine. Like they figured it out. Like, it's okay. That's what the, that's what the standard is now. Yes, it's ideal to have Patrick Mahomes behind Alex Smith, but no one's thinking, wow, if only Jaden Daniels could have backed up Marcus Mariota a few games, you know, how much better would he be? Throw him into the fire.
Well, he's also, what, two and a half, three years old? Yes.
And he played 55 games in college, right? Yeah.
Caleb. So that's a situation thing. Which brings me back to how stupid it was not to play Drake against Miami, which I was calling for all week. Caleb's going against the Rams, who were super banged up, totally at home, and then Carolina the week after, who probably has, if they're. If it's not the worst defense in.
The league, and then Jacksonville in London.
Right.
That's three possible wins. Let's pick those up.
But Carolina, I think, had the worst pass rush pressure, all the stats were the worst in the.
He threw for 300 yards first time a Bears quarterback.
He watched Caleb the first two weeks. He was under siege, no doubt run, rolling out, making mistakes, but now he has a sea legs. And I just feel like Drake would have had that last week. I didn't think Miami was good in that game, but. But it was just because it's Brissette's so limited. So that's it. I mean, Brissette's been bad for years.
And now Drake May's in and week late and guess what? If they, you know, but here's what I would also argue, and this is no offense to you, name the program. Okay, so fine, if he doesn't play against the Texans because we're so scared of, you know, well, they've got Daniel Hunter and they've got this great pass rush and how are we going to put him out there to get eaten alive by that D'Amico Ryan's defense the next week, whoever it is, they've got this guy and they've got Jeffrey Simmons on Tennessee. There's no cupcakes in the NFL like he's going to get fed to the Wolves no matter what. You think so?
I do.
Okay.
I think they're really bad. It was the perfect time to play them. Mayo has been bad as a game management. Like he's going to take. He's been not good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like you look back, they easily could have won the Seattle game.
Yeah.
And part of it, strategy stuff in fourth quarter and overtime, the Niners game was sitting there. The Niners are dying to give away every game to anybody, especially in the.
Late in the fourth quarter.
And then the Miami game was ridiculous. Even going for it on fourth and 15 was under two minutes. But they weren't going to make a fourth and 15 with Brissette, there's zero chance. Take a field goal. You've got touchdown is called.
A touchdown in the guy's feet.
Are you know why it wasn't touchdown? Because he, he threw it too high.
That's great.
I do think poke is the guy that I think is going to be unleashed.
He's pretty good, man.
He's, I, you know, the other team now all he can do is just run outs with Brissette, like little nine yard outs or little slants. Now he can, look, May's going to.
Throw a couple interceptions that are going to be like, whoa, where was he even thinking? But that guy has a cannon and.
Well, he's going to run around, too. They're going to. Now they're going to be able to move on. To watch your quarterback can't move. It's the fucking worst. And he, Brady could have moved, but he could move.
Brady was great in the pocket.
He could step around as well. Six yards he could. All right, last question. Oh, you want to do a Washington thing?
Yeah.
Is Washington for real?
For you?
So you're in?
Yes. The vibes, there are so much the opposite of what you would consider in San Francisco before the season or in New England before seasonal. It was positive. It was like these guys, like Cliff.
You know, I love the vibes report.
This is a vibe. I took it from you.
I love the teammate. Quotes are my all time favorite.
Terry McLaurin was raving about this guy in May when he was on with Scott Van Pelt like this. That guy's unbelievable. That was in May. Look, Cliff and I talk all the time and he can pump up his guy if he wants. He doesn't have to. He had Caleb last year. He liked Caleb. They don't even think Jaden Daniels has scratched the service, that he is that much of a leader and has an arm like no one expected and can move in the pocket. And I remember I talked to Andy Reid and this is a tough comparison for anyone to go, but it was when Alex Smith was starting and I asked Andy Reid in a production meeting for Fox and I was like, well, what about Mahomes? He's like, well, Mahomes, you know, I've had Vic, I've had Alex Smith, I've had McNabb. You lay it all out. He's like, I think Mahomes might have a photographic memory. He sees things and it just, I don't need to drill it into him. He just sees the board and he gets it. And so I'm excited. I think there's an opportunity that he's gonna absolutely run with this thing when the torch has passed.
That's with Jaden Daniels cerebrally, like, it mentally gets it. So the IQ is there, the ability is there. And then you've got the building that they built with Dan Quinn, who is the ultimate. And that might burn to fat. Like some guys might wear with that stuff. The Pete Carroll Dan Quinn always be competing, bringing in the Navy Seals. We're going to shoot foul shots. And the winner is going to get a celebration like Dan Quinn. Every other word is a curse word. Everything is like, let's go. You know, beat the shit out of the other team.
They had that one video in the locker room. He had like nine f. They just had to basically bleep everything he said.
And it's great. And like, that stuff is working. So you've got the right head coach. Cliff is in like a great place right now. So what I loved about Cliff was.
Well, Cliff's your guy's my guy. I mean, this is like the perfect quarterback for him.
Unbelievable for him. But also last year he was in this year of. Could have been a year of oblivion, as I reported when it happened on Fox and it was legit, he took a one way ticket to Thailand when he got fired by the Cardinals. And he's like, I'm going to take some time. So last year, Lincoln Riley and him have a relationship. Lincoln Riley's like, will you come and work for us? You have an opportunity to work for USC. He says yes on the premise that I don't want to make a big salary from you. Cause I want the Cardinals to keep on paying me. I want to make them feel that great. And also because I don't want to do a single recruiting trip. I don't want to deal with Nil, I don't want to have to talk to any of the parents. I just want to be in the lab and work with this kid, Caleb Williams and drop the ball. So he spent the year, it was almost like a year of sabbatical. But also coaching Caleb, drawing up plays, watching film and to not have the responsibilities of. All right, I got to convince this kid to.
So he got his QB coach Mojo back, no doubt.
He gets this kid Jaden, and it's like, originally their plan and Adam Peters is the man who's their new GM, came from San Francisco but was with Denver, New England. Their plan was, let's get one of the rookie quarterbacks. Ideally it's. It's going to be Jaden. If it's not, maybe Drake may beats him out in the draft process. Fine. Jaden was the guy. And let's surround him with, like, really good veteran dudes. So Zach Ertz.
Yeah.
Austin Ecklereghen, Bobby Wagner, Frankie Luvo. And then they wanted Darnold at first. I know they entertained Darnold to be. Then Darnold got paid a ton of money to come to the Vikings. So it's like, all right, Mario's a great dude and he was a number two overall pick and he was a Heisman winner and he's been through everything. Let's have him in the building. So, like, it's this amazing quarterback, this young guy, but surrounding him with the right veteran leaders and the right voices and the right coaching staff, everything has clicked. And I think they're not even, they haven't even unleashed Jaden to do what he can do athletically.
But nobody doubted the talent. It was a durability thing with him. That was what I was worried.
Speaker zero.
And that's, I threw myself into that draft and it was like, he clearly has talent. He's older, no doubt, and I'm really worried he's going to get hurt. And when I watch him even now lighting it up, I'm still worried he was going against, you know, some shit.
Defenses like this is the first big test.
Yeah, they, they put up 114 points against Cincy, Arizona and Cleveland, who I don't think Miles Garrett was in that game. Right. Or if he was, he was hurt.
I think he was there, or he.
Was like limping around maybe.
I don't know. I think he played.
But they, their offense, their third down.
His first four gigs of percentage is first.
Insane first downs, their second. Like, the ball doesn't really touch the field.
No. And they throw it with, you know, it's the snapped count and then they go snap, and then it's 2 seconds out of his hands and it's all just this fast stuff. Now here's the crazy thing. His first four games as a pro completion percentage were better than any four game span that drew Brees, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning had in their entire careers. But first four games out of the game.
But it's not like he's dinking duck. No, no. He takes shots down. He'll go downfield. Yeah, he's just accurate.
He's had moments. That Cincinnati game, it's a big victory.
Lap for Van Lathan. He's been calling this for you.
He's been on Brian Thomas.
Fucking amazing. Yeah, he was like, both these guys are going to be amazing. They're playing Baltimore.
Amazing game.
Playing Baltimore. And Baltimore is 29th against the pass and it just feels like a nice spot for him. They're not going to be able to run the ball in Baltimore anyway.
Probably Burrow just through for 392 and five. Touchdown.
Those guys were open the whole game and they were just. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. All right, we'll get back to that. Cause I'm keeping you for million dollar picks. Last question. The five best teams in the league right now, power rankings. We know it's Casey is one one. They have to be even with fucking judicious. Schuster who the, the Pats waved on like August 9.
They're like, funny. This guy's in catches on eight targets.
Casey has to be one. I think Detroit has to be two because of how good their offense is.
Well, we just saw the offense for the first time last week. Like, that's the offense we wanted to see. But the thing is, they hadn't done anything the first four weeks. Their last game was when they exploded and it was like, all right, that's the team.
But they were kind of showing us the, I mean, they ran like 155 plays. No doubt in the two. They just. Something wasn't true. And then finally they figured it out.
Yeah.
And they, but I always believed in the infrastructure, so they have to be two. Is Minnesota three?
Vikings fans are very sensitive getting their flowers. They still think, well, they have.
They've had two games in a row where they built up a lead and then held on. And Darnold, too. I don't know if he got hurt in the first quarter, but he was genuinely bad for the last 2 hours.
I think he got hurt.
Jets game. Yeah. Yeah.
Even so, like, you have.
Bring it up.
You have thoughts of Sam Darnold and his previous stops. And it's like hard for you as a mentally capable fan watching football to be like, yep, Sam Darnold is great again. Like, you've seen Sam Darnold do the dip. So everyone's just kind of waiting and.
Seeing they get the guy's rolling around and being helped off and then comes back in and his sailing passes, my instinct is he might be here. Hurt did not come up during the broadcast. I have them three out of respect to the five, the defense and the fact that they built big leads. And I think every game they've been up double digits in every game they played. Baltimore, I don't feel awesome about it, but I think they have to be four, even though I think you can throw on them and it's going to be a real problem for them at some point.
The Baltimore we saw against, against Buffalo is the best team in all of football right now. Both sides of the ball. Unfortunately, they haven't put that together in any of these games.
Right.
The offense wasn't clicking that game, so.
That game they played was probably the best game anyone played this 100%.
Yeah, I agree with that on prime time and it was unstoppable with Derek Henry from an 87 yard run to the start to the rest. And then last week the offense didn't stop. But all of a sudden, Zach or 32 year old defensive coordinator, there's questions. And now they're bringing in Dean Pease, who's been with the Patriots and with their like a little help here because it can't be our achilles heel. This is the Ravens. We can't be giving up that many yards on offense.
Well, my question is, maybe if you have two good receivers, they're just not going to be able to cover them.
So do you go and get Devontae Adams? If you're who, if you're the Baltimore Ravens, if you think you're good and your offense is going to score your.
Defense, I would get a d back. I don't think they need receiver because that's the take.
It's like they, they're playing great offense.
I don't know if I've given my Devontae Adams take. I'll go with that camera.
Let's go.
He's washed a take. He's washed.
I think he's also.
I don't think he could open anymore. Where are the plays of him? Wide open?
He hasn't played.
He's got the hamstring injury, but he wasn't. There was like two plays last year where he was open and the Netflix thing was like, I'm so tired of this.
They had this amazing win two weeks ago and everyone in the building is feeling good. They're two and two. He comes in on Monday and he sits down with Antonio Pearson is like, I want to be traded to a contender.
And it's like, yeah, we're two and two. We're paying you a ton of money.
So I think in his head and maybe his agents head and all the media that covers it, like, there was going to be a line 40 deep for his services. Well, then the reports were 24 to 48 hours into this week, he'll be traded to the jets. Well, that hasn't happened. We're now on Thursday.
It's like a fourth round pick for him. Right? Cause you gotta take the money.
Well, I think they want a second round if you're gonna even get it. There's no way no one's trading a second round pick for a 32 year old receiver who have to pay $13 million the rest of the way.
It's weird. We don't think of football. Like in basketball, we're always using the history as a track record.
Yeah.
And in football, it's like once a receiver is about to hit that 33 to 36 range, I'm out.
It's really tough.
Prove to me you can still be good at that point. It's like point guards in the NBA when they hit, like, 35. It's like I'm year to year with you from this point on out. We have no track record.
No doubt. You look at, like, Julio Jones is bouncing around the last four years of his career, still one of the greatest ever.
Julio Jones is a good example, but.
Like, I don't think Adams is at that point yet. I think he still has a couple years of great football and would be a top ten wide receiver, but that number, no.
Yeah, I don't see that at all.
He's been good. I mean, he had 113 yards or something against the.
He was like, he was never totally open, but always just enough and could catch anything.
Well, the excuse was Jimmy G. Couldn't hit him. And then Aidan Connell. Aiden O'Connell's on the guy. So he still hasn't had that, you know, opportunity with whoever the quarterback is.
No, but you compare him, somebody like Nico Collinse, like, that dude's fucking wide open four times.
No doubt.
Although now he's hurt. All right, so Baltimore, four. I think they need to get a corner back. I don't know. What's the trade deadline like? Week eight, week nine.
Yeah, a couple of weeks. Yeah, after Halloween.
So for the fifth spot, the nominees are. I'll go. I'll scatter it around. You could talk me into Washington. Yeah, you could talk me into Buffalo. I wouldn't be happy about it. You could talk me into the two and three niners talking to Green Bay or Houston.
Okay.
And I have a team that I have in the five spot, but that.
That'S how I would say Houston.
So I have Houston as my number five.
Complete all three facets. They had one bad loss to a Vikings team that came in and just, it was red hot, whatever.
But when you say complete, they can't block.
No, but they've beat mixing.
Right. And mixing is not going to say they're not the Houston team that made. They're going to be in week eleven.
And I was skeptical on the Texans this year. I thought that they would take a step back. The book was out on them and a little bit of it was, all right, you bring in Diggs and hunter and the whole deal, we're going to do flips. And they have proven me wrong. I think they're very good.
So I was not skeptical and I'm over, I'm over committed on Texan's futures. Strad's been amazing.
He's unbelievable.
Strad was so good last week, and I don't, I don't even think, like, they can't block. Collins got hurt with like 2 hours left in that game the other day. But Stroud has over and over again been able to make a play when they need to.
Fourth quarter and he's like, I think he's been the, doesn't even celebrate.
He's been the best quarterback in the league.
Right. So this is a good debate.
I mean, Daniels, you could say, but I want to see him against a really good.
As an avid listener, no one loves doing MVP talk in October.
I don't want to do the MVP talk. I'm just saying, like, quarterback.
Lamar has been unbelievable.
Mahomes has been very, Lamar has been really good. You're right. Right.
Daniels and stroud, those are your four. Daniels has been so good.
Yeah, it's probably lamar. One a, stroud one b. I just feel like stroud's doing more with less. He's had no running game at all. He got what he didn't have, collins for the last 2 hours of the last game.
And then dig stepped up last week. Six catches, 80 yards. Everyone's like, what's he going to be?
Dangerous spot with the Pats this week.
Let down game.
They're seven point favorites, right? That's been the seven and up has been the death number for every favorite this year. Drake, may 1 game. The Pats fans who were, like, completely out on this team now there's like drake may buzz that beyond nothing to lose. Yeah. Like, if I tell kyle you're not invited for drake may's first game, I honestly think that would be it. I don't know if he'd ever talk to me again.
Okay.
But instead, I'm going to tell him Joe house is going to be there, and I'm making my mom cook.
Kyle, you'll be back.
Yeah. My mom's cooking for drake may's first game, so we have Houston fifth, but I don't feel great about it. I think green bay.
I was at that game last week. That was a gritty win for them. Rams, Packers.
I could see them stealing a spot at some point, but at the same time, I don't know why that game was so hard to win.
It was a hard fought tough. They threw the game away with the pick six and someone was like, well, actually a good play by love. I don't know. That was a bad loss. If they had lost that, they found a way to win. I think that's important. Like, find a way to win that's good. And the Rams might be done. They're one in four. I don't know that, that, that goose might be cooked.
They should be on five.
That was a crazy win against San Francisco.
That fake punt doesn't work. They're on five.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's not your year. You know, when you, when you have a team built around two star receivers and neither of them play.
I know.
Might not be your year.
I know.
You don't think there's. Oh, you're. Every time you get aggregated, every time you have a Rams opinion. I think there's no Stafford trade possibilities.
I don't think so. No, I. Bye week. Let's see. They come out of this thing, but.
When is the bye week?
Right now. This week.
Oh, yeah, you're right.
Stafford and cup are two names that you keep coming up and seeing. I think McVeigh is committed to both of those guys for this season. We'll see if the, the winds of change occur, if there's more losses on the docket they want.
They won a Super bowl.
They did it.
So when you win a Super bowl that makes all these decisions.
I look at the cup thing because I said it on somewhere. I said, you know, when the Chiefs were looking for zero, Mike, you should call about cups. Everyone thought I was like, McVeigh's voice box saying, someone asked about cup. I'm just looking at the money that Cooper cup is making. The guy can still play and if there's so many teams that are wide receiver hungry, whether it be the Kansas City Chiefs who are relying on Juju and Justin Watson right now, or the Buffalo Bills, who look at themselves as a Super bowl contender, but have Keon Coleman and Mac Holland like Keon Coleman. I do too, but he's a rookie.
It falls apart when it's Mack Collins running 40 yard.
No doubt. And it's like, if you're Washington and you're like, wait, we're better than we thought, but it's Terry McLaurin and Diamond Brown. Cooper cup fills a lot of holes.
I was thinking about Washington for Cooper cup.
It would be great.
Yeah.
So Cooper cup, he's not on the trade block by any means. Like, I'm just thinking as a, you.
Can'T rule out Dallas as a, wait, what did Dallas do?
No doubt. No doubt. You know, would you rather Devontae Adams or Cooper cup right now?
100% Cooper cup. It's not even close. Yeah.
If you're the Steelers and you wanted Brandon Ayuk, but you couldn't land Brandon Ayuk at the end of the day. Like, is Cooper cup midseason for a second round pick? Not a great offer.
I'm glad you brought them up. Cause that's the team that needs a receiver.
No doubt.
You watch that offense Pickens took last week off. And by the way, I picked them every week. A billion dollar picks. Not picking them this weekend. Cause I was horrified by Pickens.
And his locker room stuff is like, well, that's the game plan. He's not like a thrilled guy.
No, that's your number one. Yeah, but as Craig Horbeck said, tomlin just doesn't like nice things. He can't even feel until he's near 500.
And that's gotta get back to the mean.
Yeah, he's gotta get back to the mean.
Too many games above 500. Yeah.
All right, we're gonna take one more break and then do million dollar picks. Let's do it. All right, we're gonna do million dollar picks for week six. We actually got kind of worked last week. We lost $595,000. And I still feel good about all the picks. I gotta be honest, even after down 398 for the season. That's not why house isn't on this week. I'm in New York City. It's just easier to do this all at once. But, yeah, we, like, we had the packers over 26 and a half. I wanted to take the packers just to win. They somehow only scored 24 against the Rams, but they won. We had the Steelers. All they have to do is just stop Dallas on the last drive of the game. Somehow Dallas goes 15. So I kind of like the picks.
But by the way, I want to give you credit, you and Sal, that was amazing that you guys stayed up to the last.
Oh, my God. I had to get up early next year. How are you doing? I'm like, how? I was like, how am I doing this? I'm old. So million dollar picks. I actually kind of like this week, I want to go through some of the games, and I'll give you veto power if something horrifies you. The first one is the Bears in London. And this would violate a don't bet on the London game.
You've always said that.
We did win.
Your manifesto.
We won the Vikes last week, though, against the jets. Had to sweat it out. But the Bears are only one and a half in London against the Jags favorite.
I'll give you a little wrinkle here.
Well, the things that worry me about the Jags, they might have found something with Bigsby. Oh, tank is good, and it. And Etienne's hurt, and I don't know if he's playing or not, but Bigsby's like, I know he's a big Kyle brand, angry runs guy, but I. So the fear of going against them is that he's given them an identity. Lawrence is three and one in London. I'm willing to just punt on this, but what do you think about this game?
Little stuff that may play into a point spread change or whatever. The Bears got out there yesterday. They're settled. They're ready to go. They're going to play. They've got all their fans there. Peanut Tillman's there doing a fan rally, the whole thing. Jaguars were supposed to fly out today, flight delayed several hours because of the hurricane, all sorts of travel issues. And they've got to be there for two straight weeks. So I don't know how that plays into it. But all they do is talk about body rhythm, and everything needs to be set hour to hour on these London trips been, you know, sleep science experts. And they had a nice little curveball to start their two week Saunder to London. So I don't know if that helps Jaguars at all.
Well, the question for me is the Jags have the Pats next week. Could the Jags be three and four leaving London and we're all back in on the.
Absolutely.
It's possible. Could the Jags be one in six leaving London? It's like and guess who's not getting on the plane with the Jags?
Doug Peterson catching a ride.
I just don't know what to expect. Here's the thing with the Bears. Defense has been like shockingly good.
They've got good players on defense.
There's. Have you heard about this thing called havoc rate?
No. What is havoc rate?
Havoc rate.
I shouldn't laugh at it. I know it's probably being used by the teams and I know it's good. So as you know, whose thing is it?
As you know, there's some. I'm not a win probability guy. There's some stupid ones. This is Warren Sharpad. This actually shout out to Warren.
Did he create it or he takes it?
I just saw it on his twitter feed. But rate of plays for sacks, forced fumbles, interceptions, tfls and pbus.
So it's opportunistic to just capitalize on the opportunities.
Yeah. Good defensive things. Additive defensive things. Our top five is the Giants, the Browns, which shocked me. Vikings 49 ers, Bears. Okay, number five. And that kind of backs up what I'm watching with the eye test. Like they're better in the second half than the first half. I think they're like plus 31 in the second half and it feels like they're getting a little bit better each week. I don't know if that's competition or not, but one of the things I love about this for them is the Jags defense 32nd against the pass.
Yeah, I mean, they just.
31St yards per play, 24 straight, 31st turnovers. They're 30th on third down. It's like another nice Caleb spot. So I wonder if this is like one more awesome Caleb week followed by.
The NFC north schedule coming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you like bears minus one?
Let's do it.
Okay.
Jaguars are historically good in London with Trevor Lawrence, though. That's the only thing. But I don't know, man, it'd be.
Fun to root for.
Let's go, Bears.
So there's one other one that I kind of like for this. The Jaguars first half, Chicago for the game is plus 750.
Oh, wow. So Jaguars are leading little jags and.
Then the Bears come back. I'm not going to do it, but that jumped out to me. All right, next one. Lions minus three in Dallas.
Okay. Lions have been in Dallas since 2011. Seven straight Cowboys win.
The Lions are a little bit public. No? Lawrence Parsons, maybe. Even if they have him, he's Dallas. This is a weird one. Dallas's second passing, 31st running, Detroit's 27th against the pass, fourth against the run. So you could say that's good for Dallas or that's terrible for Dallas. I just think they're going to throw the whole time. That guy, Jalen Tolbert, I picked up in every. By the way, that touchdown catch you made was a great cat. 4th, 4th down, Detroit. 6th running. And Dallas's defense is 24th against the run. Here. Here's where I've landed on this one. So Dallas gave up 72 to New Orleans and Baltimore.
Nuts.
And then they gave up 49. And Cleveland. New Orleans or Cleveland, Pittsburgh and the Giants.
Yeah, those are bad offenses.
I think if you have a good offense, you could move the ball up and down all day on Dallas.
Yeah. Mike Zimmer, after like four weeks, we're like, what the hell is this? And then they put the clamps on the Giant.
It's like Steelers. Yeah.
In their buildings. I like the fact they did it in the road. But you're right, there's so many injuries. You're banking on guys that we're not familiar with.
And even Sal was like, I don't know who half these dudes are. So they go against the Steelers, who, Najee Harris? And that's it. They have the fourth, 4th string guy is getting reps for them. Pickens. And that's it. Friarmuth over the middle. That's it. There's a two hour lightning delay or it was a fluky game. And I think. I think this line should be higher.
I think the Lions played an awesome game the last time we saw them.
Yeah.
And it's like this is what they were expected to be. Their offense was pouring it on and they got the buy. They got healthy. I like the Lions.
They can probably top three or four offensive line, no doubt. Top three or four weapons indoors. I really like the Lions. I just think this line should be like Lions by four and a half. The only thing that scares me is it's too obvious. Maybe Dak keeps the Cowboys around.
Sure.
Maybe he's just flinging the ball. He was great on Sunday was when it mattered.
He did have turnovers in the fumble and the whole thing.
True. Good point. Washington is plus six and a half.
Is this the game of the week or do you go Dallas Detroit? What game are you more excited for? Baltimore Washington?
I'm more excited for Washington Ravens because I think it could be, and it's funny. The over is over 50, which is always a red flag. That means everyone's assuming it's going to be 37 34 and it probably won't be.
I had an interesting conversation with Scott Van Pelt of ESPN because he's like this DC, man. I said, is this a rivalry game or not? And I'd love to hear House's thoughts. Yeah, no, it's not at all a rivalry.
It's a, should be a rivalry. Not at all a rivalry. Yeah, it's not a rivalry.
Two franchises have only played seven times.
They've never really been good at the same time.
Never been good at the same time. And like, Colts fans from the Baltimore years of the Colts, like, maybe had issues with the Reds that's from the eighties and seventies. So, like, this is this whole battle of the Beltway. Yeah, sure. But it's not like this, like, rich rivalry between the two franchises.
Right. Well, Baltimore's defense gave up 90 against Mahomes, Dak and Burrow. I know, but then you could say, well, they only give up ten to Josh Allen. That was a weird game. And I'm not sure that the Bills are meant to play from behind like that with the receivers they have.
Yeah, that again. That's the best I've seen any team play on Sunday night. They just blew them out. Do they bring that version or are they the version that Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase are going for 200.
Ravens defense woeful 31st against the pass. They've given up 25.2 points a game. Bottom eight in the red zone. Good against the run. I'm not sure that matters with Washington. So the question for me is, could Washington win the game? I think they could, yes. If Washington's down double figures in the second half, could they get a garbage line touchdown? Yes. I don't know why this line is six and a half.
Is it six and a half? I think it's just the experience and the lack of competition against Washington. No one's seen the commanders haven't played a powerhouse team yet.
So the flip side is it's like the KC New Orleans game on Monday night where like, that's too many points. I'm taking New Orleans and then Casey's like, we're just going to casey the shit out of this thing.
Lamar's playing amazing, right?
Yeah. So could they be up ten, they have the ball and they have an eight minute drive to close the game? Sure. But I think Washington can win the game and I think it's too many.
I think it's going to be a fun game. I think it's going to be close.
Feels like a three point game.
I think it's going to be close.
Next one is Chargers, Broncos. This is in Denver. We should mention you love champagne.
I said it before the season on this podcast. I said, I don't know how, I don't know where it's coming from. Their playoff team, I got mocked after they were owing to they look horrible against the jets on offense. I didn't realize that Vance Joseph's defense was going to be like the 76 Steelers. They're the best defense in football right now and certain. And this Riley Moss might be the best cornerback duo. They're unbelievable and however they make it work, they figure it out.
Denver, they're legit opponents, third yards per play. That's how good Denver's been.
Yeah.
Their offense scored 15 points against Pittsburgh and the jets combined.
I know, but it's getting, I mean, any rookie quarterback getting better?
Harbaugh off a by.
Okay.
Chargers team that in week four just had a shitload of injuries, missing both tackles. James was suspended, Herbert was hurt and had a shot.
I was at that game too.
And they hung around.
4Th, fourth quarter, they go for the fourth down, which it was 1010. They didn't need to. And then the Chiefs snuck one out of there.
So the Chargers are favored by two and a half in this game and the instinct would be like Denver's I got to take the home dog. I really like the Chargers.
Do you?
I do. Here's why. Herbert, best player in the field. It's going to be ugly. Ten to 1010, 713 ten. But I'm willing to be talked out of it.
Yeah. I just think that defense is outstanding right now and Knicks is getting better every week and I feel like there's a good vibe and good juice with the Broncos and they're playing at home, right? Yeah.
So you would stay away?
I would stay away. But what do I know for my analysis?
No, but you know, it's interesting.
Defense is so, and like lad McConkie had one of the great touchdown catches of the year against the Chiefs in the back of the and they totally forgot to go to him. And it's like, I don't know if they're utilizing Herbert even in a way that's beneficial because he hasn't had this. I thought with Harbaugh I was going to Palmer.
Washington hurt Palmer. Now Palmer's back.
Sure. Yeah. I don't know. I'm waiting to see this Greg Roman hardball offense that everyone's marveling about.
Down on down on that, down on the Chargers. Can I give you the LA defensive stats?
Yes.
They've allowed 50 points total this season. They're very good against Vegas, Carolina, Pittsburgh and KC. So why is Denver going to move the ball on them at all?
They might not. They might not. I think the defense is very opportunistic and they'll do what they've done all.
Season and I like it at minus two and a half. I don't like it at minus three. And I think this Denver team, if we're just going to go backwards, the jets game was absolutely stupid. The weather was awful and they played like shit. And if the jets just make a field goal, they lose.
And last week they're down ten, nothing to the Raiders early. And then certain gets the minshew throws.
Just a horrible pat running to his left, just wings it, loses his job. So now I have to be excited about Denver. Maybe this is the week they come back to the. Yeah, sure, I might do it. I might not listen to you.
Sean Payton, I trust.
I know you trust.
Vance Joseph, I trust.
I have the Broncos over. I'm also in Unshamp, but they were, they were over. Uniforms look great.
Love those old school unis.
It was funny when everyone misidentified the seventies Broncos thing as a John Elway.
It's like, come on guys.
I know I'm old, but come on guys.
Right? It was 77 team they were on.
Everyone's like, come on.
See that water, guys?
Let's do better. Just quickly. Colts, titans, Colts favored still one and a half in Tennessee.
Stay away.
It's a stay away and I think.
Tennessee south, I have no idea.
How about both souths are stay away.
So stay away. All of them.
I don't, this line, it didn't add up to me.
What's the Saints, what's a rattler? What do we got with that one?
Well, that's coming. But Pittman's. Yeah, Flacco.
No, they came back. They did what they do. They come all the way back. But they, you know, they, they won that game and then they, you know, they didn't, that didn't make sense.
Here's why.
We're almost going to win that game. But they couldn't put it away.
You're not going to believe I like this one, but here. Giants plus three and a half against Cincy Bengals. Yeah, the Giants start out, they lose 26 to Minnesota. They lose by three to Washington, a game that they probably win with a field goal kicker. And you look back like, pretty good game.
Graham Gnaul gets hurt on a kickoff.
They beat the Browns 20 115, but it was really 28 to 15. Singletary was going in for a touchdown and fell down. So that was a blowout.
How's the neighbors game? He went nuts.
They lose to Dallas 2015 on a Thursday night in a game they usually could have won. Neighbors gets concussed right at the end. And they played fucking awesome.
They were so good against the Seahawks. So good.
And now they're playing the Cincy team that remember the havoc rate from before.
Tell me what 32nd they suck at havoc.
Terrible havoc rate.
Terrible at havoc.
And then, you know, Giants defense.
Yeah, the Thibodeaux stuff is concerning neighbors. We're not sure what he's gonna do like those are, but Dexter Lawrence is playing as good as any defensive player in football.
They're in the top half of the league. Shane Bowen scoring third down, first down, passing yards.
He's not getting buzzed yet as a head coach. Shane Bowen. The defense for the Giants has been outstanding this year.
The Bengals defense, literally at everything, is bought, confounding.
It's a lot of the same guys. Luanna, rumors, a great defensive coach. Like, it doesn't make sense and they cannot stop.
How about they have nothing, they have no players. So 30th rushing, 30th against rush. I feel like the Giants. I don't know, Tyrone, Tracy. This line feels a point too high to me, and I like the Giants.
It's funny. It's like we freak out. They lost 28 six at home. They got booed in their home opener because they were winning.
Turned out Minnesota. We had them number three in our list.
Minnesota's five and, oh, and like, a very good team. And Van Ginkle is doing pick sixes against the jets also. And if the Giants come out of this thing and they're three wins and four losses, it's all right. They're good team. They're fine.
And dimes look good the last two weeks.
Pretty consistent.
Dimes is back. I'm buying dimes.
Happy for dimes.
I have one more that I like, but we're staying away from. Steelers, Raiders, Texans, Pats, the NFC south, the two Falcons, Panthers, Buck Saints. I'm out.
Yeah.
Did you see Carter Rattler swung the line by six points?
Yeah.
Seemed aggressive.
It seemed like a lot.
Are we sure he car is worth six points to a spread?
No doubt. Yeah, I was surprised.
Also, Bucks minus three and a half in New Orleans. That's a fucking stay away.
The Bucks have been there since Monday. Bucks flew out cause of the hurricane. Like, you know, I talked to my friend who works for the Bucks. I'm like, is your house all right in Tampa? He's like, I think so. He's like I'm currently at Dave and Buster's for the third straight day with my kids in New Orleans. Like, that's like a full camping trip.
On Eagles minus eight and a half. For now it's up to nine and a half against Cleveland. I'm staying away. Philly should not be favored by that many.
They rally. I don't know.
And Packers, Cardinals.
That's a fun game.
It's in the Vegas zone. It's five and a half. I'm out. Yeah, I don't, I don't trust either team. So then the last game we, we started the podcast with Bill's Jets. Jets plus two and a half.
Are you around Monday? Come with me to that. Let's go to that.
I'm long. You won't see me. The only thing that scares me about this is, well, really nothing new coach theory. But the Buffaloes defense, they suck against the run. And the jets are last against the running backs. The jets, this is the week they get the run game.
Downings coming in. He's going to make a statement. It's going to be we're going to show you that we still have a great running game. And like, I have these two running backs. We're going to use them.
So would you go plus two and a half or would you just do jets money line plus 120?
I'll do the latter. That's just gonna win.
Okay.
I might add again, narrative guy. I really like the not my money.
Plus two and a half, though. I'm getting two extra points.
Go for it.
Last thing before we do million dollar picks, just gonna throw this at you. They have a little 30% profit boost. Token for.
Okay.
For a touchdown anytime. Touchdown in a game. Terry McLaurin plus 170. What are your thoughts? I like it. Who would you go for a touchdown if not him?
Anyone in the league?
Yeah.
Tucker Kraft. Tucker Kraft against the Cardinals. Let's look Jordan Love's guy.
Let's look up our guy, Tucker Kraft.
Jordan Love went to him in every big moment last week.
Tucker Kraft, only two to one.
Action.
All right, McLaurin, so we'll throw a little him plus 170. All right. Filling in for Joe house this week because we're in New York City. Our guy, Peter Schrager.
Let's go.
So much success over the years. Week $6 million picks. We are down $398,000 for the season. We're about to change. Let's go. We're putting 200,000 on the following Bears minus one and a half in London against the Jags. You're believing in Caleb Williams.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it.
You like the Bears?
I'm also like jags. Weird travel stuff. I don't like that.
Okay, the c words. Getting six and a half against Baltimore. We think this is a three point game. They might win it outright. And even if it goes badly, cheap touchdown time.
No doubt.
Washington plus six and a half. This is the only one you didn't like. So we'll see if you were right or wrong. Chargers minus two and a half. And Denver. Here's my case. I just think Denver's offense will not be able to move the ball at all against the Chargers. Harbaugh Payton. Coaches cancel out. And I got Bo Nicks against Justin Herbert. And I think the Chargers need the game fair also. Broncos beat the jets by one and they win last. That stupid game last week.
Their defense is amazing.
Gardner Minshew whipping it to the other. Your team. Lions. Cowboys. Lions minus three in Dallas.
Sorry, Sal.
I think this line's gonna be four and a half by game time. We're grabbing it now.
Lions off a buy.
And then we're taking both New York teams. Cause it's the week in New York sports.
This is. No, it's also your week in New York.
It's my week in New York. The Mets. The Yankees.
The Liberty.
The Liberty. Liberty. Game one. The Knicks. Just great stuff happening. Giants plus three and a half against ascension defense. That is potentially historically bad.
Yeah. Which is shocking.
And then jets. We'll just take the points. The plus two and a half Monday night against Buffalo.
How does it feel to have a perfect slate?
It feels incredible. Let's win 200,000 on all of those. And then last but not least, little fanduel profit boost. Token 30%. Terry McLaurin plus 170 to score in that crazy Baltimore Washington game that we feel like if it doesn't have a lot of points, we'll have fireworks.
Fun.
Yeah.
Not a rivalry game.
Those are the million dollar picks for week six. Peter Schrager.
Man, that was fun, man.
We just did. We just did. Almost 2 hours.
It was great.
You did tv in the morning, didn't you?
Yeah.
How tired are you?
Great. I love this. I'm energized. Do you, do you feel the energy in New York, though? Like, am I being. It's pretty.
I know the energy in New York, but the energy when we're face to face, I love so much fun in person. I feel like I'm. I feel like I'm on the good morning football, which you've never invited me on.
You want to? Come on.
Was here all week. Yeah, could have.
Come on.
Come on on. I would have worn a tank top for Kyle.
Exactly. Done a quick couple push ups and got it in there.
It's good. I don't know if you heard over the top, but some people were saying it for me and Kyle is probably our best bad movie that we've done.
A lot of positive, a lot of bull Hurley love.
A lot of bull Hurley love fair. All right, Shrig's great, man.
Thank you for having me. It was great.
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