Drowning, freak accidents, double suicides, murder. A dozen people from Dallas, Texas, died mysteriously. All of them had one person in common, a spiritual leader by the name of Terry Hoffmann.

That woman has always been a black cloud over our lives.

The more I learned, the more I began to wonder, is Terry Hoffmann women, the Charlie Manson you've never heard of? These shark eyes, those cold, dark eyes.

The most sophisticated sociopath I've ever observed.

Left behind a series of bizarre diaries and writings associated with Terry Hoffmann and a group she founded called the Conscious Development of Body, Mind, and Soul, Inc.

Bodies are piling up, and she's cashing in.

There is no doubt that she killed.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars, property, and land.

Really see how even she really was, like heartless.

The payoff was going to be in the other spiritual rounds, it was not going to be here.

And the deeper I get into this thing, the weirder it gets.

Are those items that are used to control and combat, shield against Black lords?

I'm about the Fifth Amendment.

Can nobody stop her? Why do you think it was so difficult to tie Thierry to these deaths?

Because there's no smoking gun.

From Sony Music Entertainment, this is Scary Thierry, coming December first to The Binch. Listen wherever you get your podcast.