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Thank you for listening to this podcast, one production now available on our podcast podcast, one Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Charlie Kirk's run in the White House.
But I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here.
Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. It's great to be back in front of people. I want to I want to first thank Pastor Robb for America had a thousand Rob McCoy's.
We would be in a much better place, I'll tell you about. Pastor Rob is a dear friend and he stands for Truth. It was amazing watching on the livestream over the last couple of months. You know, Pastor Rob, give these updates, you know, like there they have the police out here or doing that. I was watching some of the news reports of the communion service you guys held on Palm Sunday, which very well might have been like the cleanest room in the history of the planet.
And they still found a way to attack Pastor Rob on that. And so Rob has been proven to be one of the few pastors who's willing to engage in the public square, who is willing to have. Very clear and respectful conversations around what truth actually means and is willing to fight and contest for that truth. And so, Rob, I'm honored to call you my pastor. He's absolutely terrific and tremendous. So I'm honored to be here.
It's it's quite a time in our country, if you like me, you probably feel as if we've gone through 30 years of change in three weeks and not all that change. In fact, most of it is awfully troubling. We have a new country in our country as of as of today.
It's a I like to welcome 156 country to the United Nations chairs the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. We have people that are losing their positions as commentators and in the public eye for saying things that should be agreeable, statements such as the Sacramento Kings broadcaster who was fired last week from two of his radio positions for simply saying All lives matter. Gone With the Wind is no longer allowed on HBO Mack's television, despite it being the first film ever that has awarded an Oscar to a black female actress first ever 1930s.
We have Legos no longer are going to be making police officers, which is very bizarre. So what we see right now and I hope today to be able to offer you some clarity on what's happening in the country, some very actionable ways you can do something about it, and then where this is headed, if we do nothing. And so I feel with you a sense of angst and unease, because I like you feel as if we've been on defense for the last couple of weeks, that those of us that believe in truth, we feel like we're outnumbered.
We feel as if there's not enough people that are standing with courage and contesting for that truth in the public arena. And there's reasons for this, and I'm going to go through the specific rules and the playbook of the people that wish to sow discord and disharmony and anarchy in our country because their rules are made public. And I think it's imperative that we understand where they're coming from. And I also want to take a more broad picture of root causes.
How do we get here and what can we do to actually fix it? So in the last couple of weeks, especially, I have been told by the intelligentsia and the media, by certain pastors and by certain members of the political elite, that I must stop talking at this moment in our history because of nothing that I did, but because of my immutable characteristics. I've been told by media members and other individuals that since I'm a white male, I must sit down and shut up.
So I've been speaking louder than ever before and.
We're in a place of God today, and one of the things that the Christian ethic teaches us, which is so fundamentally different than any other religion, is that.
You're made of the image of God, we're all in total need of redemption. And what's also very important is that you as a singular unit. Despite what your father or mother or grandfather or grandmother did, you need salvation. Your bloodline can't save you. For you, what preceded you is not your destiny. Where you came from is not necessarily your future, Christ disrupted this whole idea of tribalism at once. Galatians, 328, doesn't matter, slave nor Jew nor free person were all the same under Christ.
So this idea of the sovereignty of the individual, how God made you your immutable characteristics.
Must be recognized, must be understood, and also that you will not be judged. By something that happened many generations prior to you, that now if you do something wrong, if you sin against somebody, the sin of racism. Then go a tone to that person personally and look at them in the eyes, atone to God.
However, this idea that certain individuals, because of the melanin content in their skin, must atone for something that they did not do is Western society was built against that idea.
And what's very important to note is that if we study history carefully in the 20th century, there are a couple big takeaways. There's a couple of big lessons. The first lesson of the 20th century and by the way, we don't teach our students the proper history of the 20th century, we don't. The 20th century was a bloodbath. It was the most murderous century in human history, by far the most intentional depletion of human beings, and that was only 50 or 60 years ago.
In fact, some of those authoritarian regimes still exist to this day from the 20th century.
What am I talking about? Mao's China. Mussolini's Italy. Stalin's Russia. I mean, that ideology is still very, very well accepted and well spread.
So by no means is this history gone. It's actually today, as I'm giving the speech, but for whatever reason and I could talk about this separately, we've decided to not focus on this chapter in history and I believe learn from it correctly so that we can never go that way again. There's three big lessons from the 20th century. This is not an exhaustive list at all. But number one, the promise of utopia is a death sentence. That should be a very easy lesson, that when someone comes and tells you that they can create utopia, which actually means nowhere, they actually look at the root of the word.
It actually means it's never going to happen. They say they're going to create heaven on earth, run the other way. In fact, the founding fathers, what was the brilliance behind the founding fathers is for the first time they were given a blank sheet of paper, like what kind of country do you want to create? And instead of giving themselves ultimate authority and control, they could have created a Washingtonian or the Hamiltonian or Jeffersonian ruling class. They could have created themselves to be monarchs of this new place called America.
They were one of the first successful military revolutionaries that gave up power. Think about that. In order for Alexander the Great to give up power, he had to die. Napoleon was banished to an island.
But for someone to win a war and then give away power ferrey, it's transformational because they studied history and they understood the importance of where rights actually come from, that there is something sovereign and bigger than whatever government that they might create. And so the founders created.
A system of laws and a system of restriction, first and foremost on government. The government will not take your rights away, very important. Nowhere in the Constitution does it grant you rights if you read it carefully and the way it was intended. It doesn't say you shall now speak.
It's like, no, no, no, no. Be more specific, it's the government can't prevent you from speaking, it's the presupposition that you could speak naturally. It's the recognition that the government is what we created. The government didn't create us very important that the government is not the sovereign, that we the people are actually the sovereign. It's such a fundamentally different philosophy than what we're starting to see happen in our country. And so because of this, what we've seen in the 20th century when people were promising utopia.
Which which would never, of course, happen, they've said we can create heaven on earth, the Bible teaches us this. You can create something actually pretty similar to how on earth. Can't create anything close to creating heaven on earth. Very important lesson that we can actually be so unbelievably brutal to each other that if you want to see what human beings are capable of, if they just decide moral restraints don't matter, go read The Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
Go read what? Stalin did to tens of millions of innocents, as he said, one murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic, is just a rounding error, right.
When they when people promise something like that, my goodness, it should be and that was the brilliance, the founders, they had the humility to say this is actually not perfect. That's why you can amend it. That's why you have elections.
That's why you can have discourse around it, because the founders never tried to convince people they were divinely inspired autocrats that were going to get it exactly right. They said this is going to be pretty good unless you screw it up. A republic, if you can keep it right. Lesson number two of the 20th century, mobilizing resentments is guaranteed conflict. So some resentments are legitimate. Others are not, but the mobilization of them towards the oppressor, oppressed conflict or paradigm is guaranteed to end poorly guaranteed.
For example, mobilizing the Bolsheviks versus the Mensheviks and the Russian Revolution, mobilizing Mao's conquest of China.
And I talked to so many students on universities and they can't tell me what the Cultural Revolution was, and Mao's China, one of the most murderous, disastrous moments in human history, just conveniently disappeared from our history books and that that regime still exists to this day.
And let's just say we've experienced the deceitfulness and the byproduct of what a godless regime can do here and the way they handled this recent outbreak. When you mobilize Resentment's, you immediately get into a competition of who is more. Who deserves the product of the award, more like, no, I'm actually the most oppressed human being, I deserve it. It's almost like this oppression Olympics that has created.
Western society was never built around that, in fact, it recognizes that every human being has a specific amount of struggle or has more struggle than others, but instead it is it is a release from that and the Christian ethic, you're redeemed, you're liberated through Christ, and then you're going to go forth and flourish the best you can and you're going to fail, and then you're going to need to come back and go through that cycle again. The third lesson of the 20th century, and this is boy, is this is this so applicable today, grouping people?
On their immutable characteristics is a gateway to disaster guaranteed? What do I mean by immutable characteristics? What you cannot change? I think that should be a pretty good lesson from the 20th century is that we should never say that someone's skin color. Gives them a certain amount of either advantage or makes them better or worse or any of that, or they have to atone because of that, that is so unbelievably dangerous and is guaranteed conflict.
And we see it happening right now. We see it where individuals based on them, they themselves are not doing anything incorrect for this specific thing that they're being criticized. They've have to apologize or do something to to, for example, this idea of white privilege, which is all throughout our schools and all throughout our country. And people have to say, well, you have to atone for that. Well, first of all, if I had to atone for anything, I definitely won't do it to you.
OK, so let's just be very clear. I got to God for that and a savior for that. So let's just be very clear. I don't know what construct you think I have to pay penance to, but I'm not kneeling to your man made idle or whatever just because you say I've done something wrong. So thank you very little for that. So. Secondly, secondly, it is the opposite of the Christian ethic, it is opposite of everything that we believe in as Christians.
Remember, we are made new through the blood of Jesus Christ, we are liberated from our sin. So even if you are guilty of that accusation, it sure as heck is in another human being's business to try to tell you what you have to try to atone for. Secondly, what an unbelievably dangerous, baseless accusation.
To try to turn people against each other, see, as Dennis Prager says, there's the American Triniti E Pluribus Unum out of many, one that's on every presidential seal as the president speaks around the world, as that presidential seal, that Latin phrase e pluribus unum, that is the American North Star. That means no matter your skin color, no matter your background, we are one people.
There is only one race, the human race, which, by the way, conveniently is considered to be hate speech in the University of California system. And you're not allowed to say that, saying that there's only one race, the human race. I kid you not. It's a real thing. So. Believing in E Pluribus Unum. The second part of the American trinity is in God, we trust that it's on all of our currency, it's in the halls of Congress that God is greater than government and that the rights that government is not supposed to take from you come from God.
It's a Lockean idea of natural rights. The third idea is liberty. But the one that's most applicable right now is E Pluribus Unum, the American ideal. And understandably, it was not completely fulfilled from our founding.
In fact, they laid this really ambitious goal in the preamble, the Constitution, that even the founders themselves were hypocrites in writing some of this. But that doesn't diminish the ideal. So you trying to say, well, the people that wrote that didn't even live up to it? Of course they didn't.
Don't don't throw out the truth in the preamble to the Constitution because of the sins of the founders. Instead, ask yourself, did we ever get to a place where we achieved that?
They won't teach you in history classes in your 1777, one year after the Declaration of Independence was signed. Vermont abolished slavery, sovereign state abolished slavery. So as an inspiration from the founding of our country, states were already starting to rise up to abolish slavery, rising up against an unspeakable evil. And so eventually we fought a civil conflict over it. There was years and decades of discussion, but guess who are the people that were on the side of abolishing this evil?
Where was the inspiration from? This was from the Bible. It was the churches. It was the Christians that said this is not biblical. We're all made in the image of God. We're all one under his dominion. And this idea of racial hierarchy is evil. Stop grouping people based on their immutable characteristics. And that was the that was the inspiration for the Civil Rights Act and for the idea of allowing people equal under the law, equal rights, not equal outcomes, completely different thing.
We could get to that in a second. However, we're now doing the opposite. We are now destroying Martin Luther King's vision, where he said, I care about the content of your character, not the color of your skin. Now, people who know nothing about me are telling me to stop talking because of the color of my skin. That is anti-American. That is anti Christian, and that will guarantee to lead us to a very, very, let's just say, conflicted place as a country.
So what do we do about it? First of all, more so than any other time. I think in American history, truth tellers are being ridiculed and attacked and silenced at a record rate. That's why Rob McCoy in this church is so special to me, because people that stand for truth and fight contest for truth is so unbelievably important in this country, because we have we have seen.
People that are in positions of leadership turned their back on the teachings of. The fundamental truths of American society and so I want to get to root causes, but I think it's really important to know what how the left operates. And I don't mean the left as this amorphous object. I'll say it. I should be more specific in my language how the people that wish to sow discord, disharmony against the teachings of the Bible. Let me be more specific that way, because I don't even want it.
This is not even about politics today. It's not this is about something much deeper and much more about like red versus blue. This is about reason versus unreason and right versus wrong. To be perfectly honest with you. And so we must understand that there are people in this country right now that wish to sow disharmony, but actually wish to have people hyperfocus on differences, not on similarities. I am told every single day now that we are as systemically racist country.
We are systemically nonracist country, we're actually systemically decent. We're actually a systemically polite, accepting, generous country, we bring in a million immigrants every single year into our country, one million, that's half of all the world's immigrants. We're such an awful place. Why do so many people want to come into this country? And why do we open that? Why do we welcome them with open arms every single year? If we are such an awful country, why is it that we have over 130 languages represented in our country and we're generally pretty civil to each other?
Show me any other country that's passed the stress test of this many different groups of people. However, we're told that we must atone for something and we must pay penance for something that you didn't even do. And so I always laugh at this because they tell me this and I say, wait a second, you're talking to the pretty much the wrong person about this for a variety of reasons. Let me tell you the main reason. So you're telling me I must pay apologize for something that my ancestors did or whatever, and they say, yes, OK, well.
My uncle, seven generations of my mother on my father's side, fought in the American Civil War on the union side, so my bloodline fought in the American Civil War to try to abolish slavery. A couple of generations later, my bloodline in the 1920s was fighting for women's suffrage and black equality in the inner cities a couple of generations later, my bloodline was in the 1960s for the Civil Rights Act. Why were they fighting for all these things? Because I come from a family of Republicans.
Therefore, we've always been fighting for equality and liberty and human flourishing my entire life.
But however so just that is dismissing that history is much more complicated than they make it seem that it's literally not black and white. It's not that even if they were trying to indict an entire race of people, it's actually that there were individuals that rose up and that did pay significant sacrifices for the rights and the progress that we enjoy in our country. However, the other side thrives on demagoguery, thrives on saying something that feels that feels somewhat symbiotic with deeply held emotion, but not rooted in truth or data or science or a deeper belief.
And so let's get into this. A lot of you have been made familiar in the last couple of years of a book that. It has been more instrumental to the American left than almost any other book, and it's their playbook. It's called Rules for Radicals. You've probably heard of this before. Now, Rules for Radicals is written by Saul Alinsky. Now, mind you, this is not a political book. This is first and foremost a spiritual book and a religious book.
How? The dedication to rules for radicals. It's to Lucifer. The dedication is to Lucifer, the first rebel, the first fallen angel that rebelled against the Almighty. This book was the book that Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis for at Wellesley College. This book is what Barack Obama learned from as a Chicago community organizer and mentor under Saul Alinsky. 13 rules for radicals, if I ask most members of Congress, they couldn't name two of them. We have the Ten Commandments and the teachings of Christ to teach us how to act and what to do in this world, this is their Ten Commandments.
There's 13 of them. Go figure why he chose the number 13. Right. So I'm going to go through them. Some, I think, are more applicable to today, but I think it's going to start to harmonize with some of the confusion, your feeling about what's happening. No. One, power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have, who this should give you comfort.
They're not as strong as they make themselves seem. This should give you a lot of confidence that their number one rule is to make them seem like they have more support than they really have. That's number one, is the appearance that everyone is with them at the appearance that you are alone. I mean. Well, if anyone felt alone in the last couple of days, a couple of weeks, a couple of months, I know, because you literally were like alone in your home.
And, boy, did they did they choose a time to strike in our country.
We weren't having moral religious gatherings strike. When we were in a constant state of fear, everyone's wearing masks like this dehumanization campaign happens, right?
What a perfect time to strike because you're already feeling lonely and uneasy. You might have lost your job and you're just upset.
Perfect, right. Number two, never go outside the expertise of your people. They're violating their own rule a lot of ways here. And I'll get to that in a second. Number three, wherever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.
So they're trying to get us in terrain we're not used to playing in, they're trying to go outside of our collective expertise.
Very good at this. Republicans and conservatives are woefully unequipped to discuss the history of America. It's true. They are not equipped to talk about first principles are natural rights, so they have taken us off our terrain and we have these Bluhm, these fumbling members of Congress that are trying to say, well, we're not really a racist country, and they can't give three reasons why. And by the way, the even presupposition of trying to defend a negative should be rejected.
I'll say I'm not even going to tell you why we're not racist. I'm going to tell you why we're decent. I'm going to tell you why we're generous. I'm going to tell you why were the most benevolent, most forward thinking. Not perfect, but excellent, totally off our terrain, perfect at that, right? Number four. Boy, are they good at this one, make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. This is how they've taken over the church.
That's how they taken over the church. They go to pastors and they say they put their arm around him, they say you care about the disadvantaged. Of course I do. You care about the least of these, absolutely. You care about injustice. Yes, and all those things are true, by the way, then you must therefore care about this must be your own book of rules. So they go and apply. People that have a book of rules are rules.
And they say, well, therefore, you must agree with this. Number five boy, ridicule is man's most potent weapon.
That's a rule. That's one of their guiding principles, like our guiding principle is turn the other cheek, be to be decent, forgive other people. They're teaching ridicule as one of their rules.
A good tactic is one your people enjoy, like stealing flat screen TVs from Long Beach or something, I don't know. I mean, that's you can are burning down American cities. I guess people find some fulfillment in that. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag on the purpose.
Number eight. This is a good one. Keep the pressure up. Keep the pressure on pressure campaign against every single individual they can find on the Sacramento Kings. Announcer on the statues, keep the pressure as if it's unrelenting. Now, there's a philosophy to all this. And one of the reasons why they've done more in the last three weeks than in the last 30 years on some of these issues is for the first time we because of things outside of our own power and within our own power, we as moral believing people that just want a good a decent country and civil government.
We have been on defense. You see, when we play offense, all these rules go out the window. When they have to defend their terrain, all of a sudden they're disorganized, there's disunity and they're not able to keep the pressure on. Number nine, who the threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself that should give you. That should give you comfort.
You're going to lose your job. You're going to lose all your friends. You're going to be hated.
Well, they're admitting to their own people that the threat that you're putting forth is usually actually more terrifying, what you're actually going be able to do to them. Number 10, it's a little bit of a complicated one, but the major premise for creating tactics is the development of operations that will allow you to maintain constant pressure. So everything that they try to do is to make sure that you feel pressured all the time. Corporate boycotts, constant protests in the streets.
This is their rule. If you push a negative hard enough, it will break through as a counter side to a positive for yourself. So, for example. Abolish the police, abolish the police, seems like a negative, it's breaking through on the counter side to now 68 percent of Americans that believe the police are in significant need of reform and 70 percent that think that conservatives are woefully unprepared for this because we're off our Terang.
They're playing we're playing on their turf right now, number 12, the price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. It's a more complicated one, but it's not as applicable today. The 13th is unbelievably applicable. Pick the target. Freeze it. Personalize it and polarize it. The police are the target have been for the last 50 years of these people because they are the enforcement of the law, and it's not that they don't like law enforcement if they don't like the law, which are standards given to us from the almighty.
So they've always been after the police. They've been since the 1960s. They've been after the police since the 12 hundreds. If the idea of a civil governance is something they've targeted for a while, so they pick the target, they freeze it and they found a way to personalize it.
A human being that did something evil, that did something that no one supports became the reason why all police should be abolished.
Couple that with keeping the pressure on and ridiculing anyone that comes after them, that's their rule. So how do you how do you combat this? Well, we know this. First of all, the number one thing and this is what makes the Christian spirit, the Christian religion, the Christian following, the Christian experience, the Christian ethic you can fill in the so different is that at the absolute ultimate thing that matters most to us is truth. Now, it's not that.
The most important.
Being Christ, God and human flesh, it's not that he said true things where most religions will say, you know, we have someone that says, no, no, no, no.
He was truth completely different. That's why he's literally called logos in the Book of John.
He was the embodiment of all things that are true. And so when you look at the hierarchy of what matters, a commitment to that truth and Rob said it whatsoever is true, but the inverse must be equally true. That you should stand up against whatever is not true. Very important that it is not enough to contest for the positive, you must stand up and call out what is being spread. That is not true. And so, for example.
There is a massive movement happening in this community and other communities pushing forth the most radical elements of society, one of the groups, Black Lives Matter Dotcom. I encourage you to go to their website. I'm quoting, We seek to disrupt the nuclear prescribed Western family. We seek to abolish prisons and abolish the police. Wow, well, that's some it's a little different than I think most people even recognize that they're fighting through so that we don't destroy the family.
That's that's a lot that's a lot deeper and bigger than reforms around law enforcement. That's a much different type of agenda.
So now truth. And all things that are true from physics to science to mathematics to history. Requires us to stand up against these widespread falsehoods now. This is where it gets hard. The Bible tells us that there is a guarantee of persecution if you stand for truth and it's not like a maybe. Right, it's not as if you can pass idly by, kind of like one of those drivethrough graduation's that you guys have been having, like stand for truth.
Thank you. I roll up the window and just keep going. Nope. It's not outworks. And I understand every person's in a different walk of life, every person has a different price to pay. It's all on a different scale. And for for me, the most liberating thing that for me is that I have been attacked mercilessly for six straight years. That I've been had death threats against me, followed through the streets, kicked out of restaurants, showing up at the office, whatever, you know, at some point it says it's almost like, what are you going to call me?
Bad names in all capital letters now. I mean, it's as if.
What else you got, right, and of course, they got more and they're going to try to do more, but. When you surrender to Christ, which all of us do, what you're also doing is surrendering to truth.
And when you surrender, it's not ultimate surrender is very it's a very deep psychological understanding. It's not like the I believe it got it. Belief in surrender, there's a dis, there's sometimes a disconnect there, but the ultimate surrender is my job, my house, everything I love might disappear for the pursuit of the truth that I care most about. Now, that is that's hard, it's a hard thing, especially for those of us in Western societies to embrace.
It's easier for countries like in Syria, for example, where they have such third world dissolute poverty. And they say, what else do we have to lose? We will. That's actually I don't want to say it's easier. That's not the correct way to word it, but it's different for us in a Western society. It's like we have a pretty comfortable way of life. We actually have a lot to lose. We have decades of career advancement, decades of relationships, friends, family.
You know, capital expenditures, all of it, that very well could evaporate and disappear in a moment's notice. And so for me, I do my best to do this every single day, which is they could take it all away from me. Turning point USA, the off everything that we have, right, podcast advertisers, but if they take me down and I'll be on my feet, not on my knees, I'll tell you that much. That and.
That because for me, nothing could possibly be more important to me than to tell the truth, live the truth and fight for the truth, nothing and all things that are true. So, for example, when people say that we are systemically racist country, I have a moral obligation to stand up against what I do.
Because whatever whatsoever be true, and if we think that we can be quiet on one truth and loud on another truth, I doubt that totally and categorically that somehow you can call balls and strikes. And when you're going to be courageous on what truth and not. That somehow you're going to stand when it gets really, really hard for Christ, but you didn't stand for truth 10 years earlier. Maybe maybe you're able to turn the truth, switch on and off.
I can't do that. That's not how I'm wired. And I think it's also really important. I want to talk about this for a second. My biggest form of opposition. For the last couple of weeks, speaking out the way I have, and there's been a couple of us out there and this is not an exhaustive list, of course, Rob McCoy, Candice Owens has been unbelievable. She's been terrific.
Absolutely terrific. And she, of course, was with us a turning point USA for a couple of years and we've had some wild times and it's one of the most proud things of my short career to be able to see her flourish and grow into the thermonuclear weapon against the left that she is.
Let me put it that way. Right. Incredible. And so Tucker Carlson has been fighting and they're trying to take his show off now. There, there, there, there, there's not zero, there's a few. It's not zero, however. The group of people that have been the most hostile towards me. That have been the most cowardly. Our Christian pastors by far. And when I say that, I subtract the left, forget that, like that's the I expect that from them.
I'm talking about social pastors who approached me at physical events, actual events when we used to have those things and. Said, I love your content, I love what you do, you know, we exchanged phone numbers, we text back and forth, they end up sharing and liking my social media posts, and then the country moves in the Overton Window. Chaos happens, right? And someone finds out that this individual, like the couple of my social media posts.
And so instead of correcting the record and saying that I'm not a horrible, awful, dangerous person or whatever, goes on stage and apologizes and cries and throws me completely under the bus. Right. Says that I'm racially insensitive and all this garbage right lies of the left repeated. Now, it really came full circle when that individual still has not appeased the mob and they're still calling for his firing. That's how it works, right? When you're dealing with a mob, it's not as if persuasion is not exactly the best way to use an angry mob.
The only way to go up against the mob is to stand firm for truth.
And to not give them an inch, not an inch, not an inch towards the truth, not an inch towards your livelihood, because if you think the old expression, give an inch, I'll take a mile. It's so unbelievably beyond true right now. And so I'm not going to say any names. That's not why I'm here today. And I know we're on the live stream and everyone can look up these stories. However, I've been disappointed and let down.
But boy, has it been, as Rob calls it, the refiner's fire. And somewhat Jack asked me earlier, he said, Charlie, what's one positive that's come out of this? He asked me this backstage. I said, all we find out who's really going to fight when this thing comes to the full hat. Are you kidding me? Like, we're finding out who to support and who to say, like, you go do your thing where you care about re-election more than the country.
Like, go do that. Good luck. You know, have fun cutting corporate taxes or whatever you do. Right. Whatever. We're going to go fight for the soul of our country.
Like that's what we're going to go do. That's a positive because we thought we had this big, vast group of people and all of a sudden it's it's like, OK, that should be that should be reaffirming for all of you, because now you can concentrate on the people and the organizations and the individuals that are really going to fight when it when it matters, which is now like now.
And so. The Christian pastors that have that I have been going back and forth with the ones that even here in Southern California and certain churches, and I'll privately tell you which ones, not my place to do it publicly. It's not my style, but that I've been going to the Black Lives Matter protests that have been making the signs and bringing their kids there. Despite where I say on their website, our goal is to disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family on their website.
Don't understand how that is consistent with Christianity, must have missed the verse where it says, let's destroy families. I mean, that must have been in some sort of extended teaching that I'm not familiar with.
The point is this, is that you have a group of people in the Christian community that and it puzzles me to no doubt, because they're they say they don't want to offend and they want to build big bridges.
And I know some of these guys and I've been to their sermons and they go on for like 40 minutes about hell is a real place and eternal damnation.
And and I'm like, that's probably the most offensive thing you could talk about. Like definitional like you're going to burn forever. How could you think of something more offensive than that? And it said they're cool with that. At least some of them are cool with that and but they don't want to talk about.
Something that's happening in real time and taking a stand against it, and there's a lot of reasons for that, and that's not my place. That's Rob's place to more talk about it, to talk about it. But what I think we do have here, though, is the biblical equivalent of Gideon's army. And Rob made me aware of this and Gideon's army as he starts with this huge army and God winnows it down and winnows it down. And you remember they go to the river and he says only the people that drink out of the river with their their hands instead of going down will fight and get down to 300 people, 300 people against this massive army.
And Gideon's army is delivered a victory. Now, why did God do that? Archetypical? Typically, he did that because he wanted to make sure there was no question that it was God's victory, not their victory.
Unquestionably. So the church is a new battleground, it always has been, but more so than anything else, the founders anticipated that the church would be the fireguard for liberty and freedom. And so and what's really interesting is that I actually find so many Christians that are coming to my podcast, coming to what we're doing, we talk about Christianity, how intersects with the world and organized thinking and civil society. And there's so many Christians that are reaffirming their faith because of what we're doing that are coming to Christ for the first time and or that they're stronger than ever.
And the reason is that when you're only focused on conversion and not discipleship.
It actually creates Christians that walk away from the church, they start to be tempted by Eastern religions that the hyper focus on spirituality and more Eastern focus and all of a sudden there's no application beyond the one and a half hour of when they're actually physically in the church.
So they're in the church. They do the conversion, which is essential and important. But then by Tuesday, they're being told by their co-workers that if you dare not take any, you're the worst person ever. They're being told by their family and friends that if you don't subscribe to 950, 7000 different genders, you're hateful. And then they go to the same pastor that brought them to Christ. They say, what am I supposed to say about all this?
I'm kind of confused. I'm looking for clarity because, you know, when the gospel intersects with the real world, that's where the discipleship really comes into play. And most pastors either stay away from it or they give some sort of very, let's just say questionable answer.
Let's just put it. But, Rob, and what if you're like, no, I'm going to tell you exactly how the Bible instructs every way of life how to marry, how to speak, how to form a government, how to potentially vote. I mean, that's what the gospel is supposed to transcend into every portion of human action and human existence, not just the very specific part of human conversion of a specific person's conversion. And I think it's important.
There's a good expression. If you have a Y, you can figure out the how. And our why is the most important, why ever is that were created by a merciful, omnipotent, ancient God that is ubiquitous, that loves us, that brought his son, and we know we're guaranteed hardship and challenges and persecution. And that's actually really comforting. I know that sounds counterintuitive. But a lot of human anxiety and nervousness and stress is this story we tell ourselves that we can avoid all persecution.
And when you admit that it's going to be pretty, there's going to be a price of admission here that will beat you up and all that, it's actually sets you free. It actually and then you have comforting Christ and comfort in the word, and then you're battle ready and ready to fight for that. So the final thing is this and I want to get four questions on or rob one. But and I know I have to be very specific on time.
So I call this woak Christianity on the other side. By the way, if you don't know what WOAK is, ask a teenager.
So, yeah, that's what I want.
OK, so I examine root causes. That's what I do. So I think far too often the church and conservatives are always treating after effects, not root causes.
And a root cause for all of this is how we as Christians and decent minded, reasonable people have completely abdicated our responsibility and involvement in the education of our children.
Most specifically, the college's. If you really look just objectively and strip yourself of all preconceived notions and restraints and look at how we have interact with higher education for 40 years, it's incredibly illogical. So we tell students. That go through high school and worked their tail off and they're under parental and moral observation almost continually, that you must go borrow a bunch of money, that you don't have to go study things that don't matter to go find jobs that don't exist.
And it's even worse than that because it would be OK if they just studied a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter, it actually they study things that make them so bitter resentment for the very country that they're about to enter into. It's even worse than that challenge is the idea that there's a God where students are the most moldable, where they're the most easily to be converted. They're being taught by persuasive atheists, more so than any of the charismatic Christians could possibly imagine that.
So real seeds of doubt, which we know is that weapon of the enemy. We know that. And so if you're asking where these protests and where this is all going to go, it's going to go to college campuses in September, my job. We will have students that unfortunately and tragically and I hope I'm wrong, that will be hospitalized because of their activism.
A turning point, USA. We've seen it before, we've had kids that have been punched in the face, we've had bear spray at high school gatherings, we've had all sorts of firebombing of dormitories. So if you think your price is high, go to make America great again hat and go walk through UCLA for an hour. That's what our students have to go through every single day. That's the price of admission for the turning point. USA kids. And so.
And by the way, they embrace it, it's the most amazing thing, they're not victims, they actually aren't parading around asking for special grievances and all that. They know that they will be kicked out of any social clubs. They know the professors will view them differently. They know all that. And that's that should be the most optimistic thing you take away from it, that there's a rising generation of thousands and thousands and thousands of freedom fighters that are willing, excited, able and ready to go into the front lines this September and go put all of Western society on their back and they might get a fist in the chin because of it.
It's pretty amazing.
And so. One sentence of truth can dispel 40 years of life, never forget that we had an individual who came to our office recently and many others and one in particular, which I don't want to say his name on the list. I want his permission before I say this publicly.
But I'll use the story, which is he confided in me that I said one sentence. That made him go from a liberal atheist to a Christian conservative, I said, what one sentence? I say I talk like 100 hours a week. It's like, come on, you got to give me more credit than that. He's like, Charlie, you don't understand.
And I've had these moments listening to some of the great thinkers and lecturers and pastors where you're following them. And all of a sudden there's like a breakthrough moment like that one organized thought. You're like, that's it. I got it. And is a black individual. And I said the following. And it wasn't even, I think, one of the most insightful things I've ever said. But I said, if America is such an awful place, why does everyone want to come here again?
It's OK. It's a pretty good take. Right. But for him, it all of a sudden crushed everything he's ever been told negatively about America.
It's like you're right. It's like this. If this is such an awful place, should not be grateful. I'm here and all these people are waiting. And it brought him down this hole of finding the Bible and reading the Bible and recommitting his life to Christ and all this incredible thing, just that one sentence. And he's an activist like you wouldn't believe a black individual. And again, I don't want to say his name publicly and I'll get his permission before we do.
But this specific thing he said was so incredible that.
I know for certain that they have these ridiculous 13 rules, right, they have all this billions of dollars from all these different places, they need all of that. They need all the trappings, let them have all that, because they have the one thing that we don't have. That's what's so cool. Let them have the greatest standing army of mob activists. Let them have every university on the planet. And that's not a reason not to fight on it.
But basically it's like, yep, you got all this stuff. The one thing that they'll never find is truth.
It's the one thing and no, no, and if you said, Charlie, would you rather have the truth? And 300 of the best freedom fighters you can imagine are all that nonsense, are you kidding me? Because that's all it takes, is that one word of truth can spread like a wildfire. And it has. And it will. And if you think you are alone, they want you to think that if you have felt like you've been in isolation, that is a tactic, not a reality.
That is a hypnotic technique that they use. Semi hypnotic, I should say, if you look into actual social psychology where they make you feel the way that they program the news of all these big groups of people, of every corporation, this drumbeat, it's a minuscule of the American population. Because we as civil minded people, we're not likely to go pick up a sign and protest, we're actually anti outrage, we're definitely anti boycott because we're into building and flourishing there, into destroying and disrupting.
And so it just feels weird to like for us to do that. Right. Like, I have a family have a job of responsibility.
Those people have any responsibility. How many people do you think that are doing that?
Go home and have dinner afterwards? What do you do today? I threw Molotov cocktail at a law enforcement officer and I got a really good deal on that big screen TV at Best Buy.
The best deal ever?
Of course not, because when you have no responsibility, there's no there is no assumed honesty in your interactions.
There's no assumed moral code. It's just you. It's you against the world. Go join a mob. It's their place of connection. It's their place of being able to utilize whatever resentment they have. Remember the mobilization of resentments? Final thing. I'll say this and we'll we'll do questions is.
It's not enough to know the truth, superimportant fact, it's critical to the second part, you can't do the second part, but knowing the truth and operating in the Crips and not advancing truth, I think actually does a disservice to what you're carrying. I actually think it does a disservice to what you believe and why you believe it. And so that's the second part is the standing and fighting for truth. As Christ is the embodiment of that truth. Everyone should ask themselves privately, am I willing to lose every earthly thing that has been granted me from God because not your stuff, it's God stuff.
To fight for truth. And if so, what level of exposure am I willing to have now? Mind you, there's three types of people, and Dennis Prager talks about this quite often. There's the enemy of the people that do nothing. There's the fighters and the people that help the fighters, so maybe you're not the type of person which is OK to go do what I do and get thrown out and all that crazy stuff, but then help the fighters find the fighters by the supply lines, be the medics and the military analogy.
Right. Be the prayer warriors, all that stuff. Because we have we've been.
Convinced that somehow there's a disconnect between the spectator sport, like you go Candy Sahlins, you go get them like no note, you could be just as much on the team in on the court wearing a jersey as much as the person that's doing the absolute most public thing imaginable. And so a specific thing I always say, it's very simple.
Spend more on cultural truth or politics than you spend on coffee every single year. That should be a rule, I think, for every civil and decent minded, reasonable person, average American spends on average ten dollars a day on coffee, more or less. You look at Starbucks and insane. It's probably been more than that. Right? So it's more or less 3000 dollars a year on coffee. OK, so in your hierarchy of beliefs, what matters?
More coffee or a country? No, seriously, this is if coffee matters more, I hope you have lots of energy while they burn everything. However, I'm not saying spend nothing on coffee, just spend more. And whatever that budget is for you, I say that in somewhat jest and silliness, but what I'm saying is this is not just financial, but time and treasure and prayer. Prioritize the cultural fight is really what I'm saying, obviously, right?
Because those of us that are fighting need the help, it is the worst I've ever gone through, but I love it. It's guaranteed we're going to be fine, we'll be OK. It's going be tough. There's gonna be a high price of admission for that. But we need the help in a variety of ways. That's why when you give to this church, as of, you know, I I'm a member of the church. And so I try the best I can to this church is only a church that stands for anything anymore that actually fights.
Is is this. Is that everyone's called to do their part, and I believe it's what optimistic opportunity for all of us to be in a moment when the republic is in crisis.
It's a great gift. And we can win and we will because we have the one thing they don't have. So let's do some questions.
So thanks. That was very good, Charlie. So we have some Magga Doctrine books that are signed by Charlie for the people who ask a question that contains less than 20 words.
It's like Twitter. Yeah, if you bloviate, I'm moving on. So, yes. I'll bring the microphone to you. Hi, Charlie. Hi. Oh, do we have to count that? OK.
There was a very righteous, secular Jew by the name of Andrew Breitbart, and his credo was walk into the fire. And every time I watch you your speeches, I think of that comment. My quick question is, any thoughts, remembrances of him or what would you like to say about Andrew? Did you did you know him?
OK, so it's very interesting. Just to repeat it for those that you talk about Andrew Breitbart, right. Andrew Breitbart indirectly got me my start in American politics. He passed away and died right there in Brentwood.
I can tell you the spot that he died in April 1st of 2012. I was a senior in high school. And interestingly enough, a month later, I wrote my first ever political article on Breitbart Dotcom. A month after Andrew Breitbart died, if you do not know Andrew Breitbart, he was a magnanimous American patriot who's one of the most self-deprecating, funny, happy warriors in the history of our country. And his legacy lives on to this day. He was an absolute American hero.
You write as you read his book, Righteous Indignation. He was so correct about everything that's happening now. He predicted it a decade ago. I'll tell you one Andrew Breitbart story, if that's OK. OK, so I can make a clear and convincing argument that Andrew Breitbart is the first person to win a presidential election from the grave. So here we go. Andrew Breitbart was flipping through his computer and that year of 2011, at three o'clock in the morning.
Interestingly enough, on a Twitter feed, a picture of Anthony Weiner came public that he didn't want to be tweeted Andrew Breitbart screenshots and archives because he just happened to be on Twitter at three a.m.. Anthony Weiner quickly deletes the tweet, but Andrew Breitbart had it saved and archived, Anthony Weiner denies this. For. Hours and almost days and eventually relents, and we all know how that one is, however, the story doesn't end there. So Anthony Weiner resigns.
However, an entire scandal unfolds because more people said yes. Anthony Weiner is doing some very inappropriate things to me. Now, interestingly enough, Anthony Weiner was formally married to Huma Abedin. Now, Huma Abedin is the best friend of Hillary Clinton and a top adviser of the Clinton family. Fast forward a couple of years past Andrew's death in 2016. The Federal Bureau of Investigation was doing a huge inquiry into Anthony Weiner because of originally that screenshot a tweet and did, let's just say, some not good things that he did.
However, when they confiscated his hard drive, they found a lot more than just that. They found e-mails that Huma Abedin was having with an unclassified, unrestricted I'm not a UN, let's just say unregulated server with Hillary Clinton.
That prompted James Comey, of all people, eight days before the election 2016 to issue that letter that says she's actually still under investigation, that the Democrats say totally change the polls and change the direction. And maybe Donald Trump won as a contributing factor that only Andrew Breitbart could win an election five years after he screenshot something on Twitter at three a.m.. God bless Andrew Breitbart.
So the next question was, there's a lot of cities like Thousand Oaks around the country, what are three things that you would tell a community, tell a community that they need to do in order to be active?
Yeah, I mean, I think, again, prioritize the your time, your treasure, everything starts locally. And so it starts in your local community through that sort of communication and all that keep attending church.
Moral guidance is critical.
And so my urging to the secular conservatives, it's so funny, I play both sides. My urging a secular conservatives sort to go to church. My urging to churchgoers is go do conservative stuff.
It's like I tell them both to do the other thing. And that's the second thing. Definitely the third thing. The most, I should say, the most important thing. That's not correct.
One of the most important things. Is. Run for school board, get people elected, a school board, the disconnect from everyone that says, yes, our schools are awful, they're all this. And then I'm like, well, who are your school board members? Are you praying for them? Are you communicating with them or are you running for school board?
Are you financially contributing or are you putting up a sign for the school board is like, oh, I don't really do that. Like, that's that's not my thing. Well, the left for the teacher unions have just absolutely monopolized and dominated school boards for such a long time. And so that's my insistence. And then we need to have a revolution of people running for mayor and city council like Rob that. And he was basically alone and you guys supported him.
But there are so many people that had the knives out for Rob and he had to resign because he stood for truth. And he's been vindicated and I think validated because of what he stood for. But that's the other thing, is that we have to take local government a lot more seriously.
And then, Charlie, the question was when someone would say a simple answer, especially in this day and age with the rhetoric when the term racist is used on a community that gushed during Tio Strong Officer Helis didn't see color when he went into the borderline and the white privilege of Black Dingman.
It didn't exist when he was shot by that gunman. What's this? How do you respond?
The just the folks in here labeled with that term racist.
I mean I'm, I'm wrongly and baselessly called that every single day and it's too bad. Let me first comment on this. It's tragic actually, because that sin does exist. And the more that you use that term, the more it actually dilutes the term and the more it cheapens the real racism in society.
You know, who actually wants that to be used as cheaply as it is the actual racists, the actual identity, Aryans, because then they blend in because then they almost as if all there's no difference between someone like you and someone who is a very hateful person of which they exist, but they are a micro of a micro of a subset of the American population, whereas we are a very decent and very accepting country. And so that's the first thing it saddens me because that word is a legitimate sin and a legitimate prejudice.
However, it's not widespread, systemic or close to being structural. So that's the first thing. And look, I'm going to say this as lovingly as I can, but that's not the worst thing that they can call you or do to you. They're going to say that because they're rooted in untruth, it is a cheap, it is a baseless, and it is a it is a very infuriating accusation to have thrown at you. It is. And every single day I have people that say that and I have pastors that reinforce it when they come under fire.
And that's just beyond. Can you imagine how frustrating that must be, someone who wants with your friend. But that's a guaranteed, you know, level of persecution.
When when I interviewed and especially for last night when I interviewed Magalog and then Kandace own, it's it's it's it's racist because if they're they're calling you a racist, but yet they're speaking to a black American and they're calling them a racist. That's simply their idea, you know.
And so this is a very important point that this was written by this phenomenally foolish author. It's like she wrote this book called White Fragility, where she said it's not enough to not be racist. You have to be pro like Marxists. And here's the thing. She argued that racism is no, I kid you not this what they teach our kids. Racism is no longer about race. It's about power.
And so that black people that ascribe to a white agenda are actually just as racist because they're like this is literally what they teach, is that it's actually not about race and all that.
So that's why they try to invalidate. But it's so unbelievably and ridiculously foolish to say something like that that I don't think it resonates.
But it takes it takes four years at a university to believe something like that.
I mean, after four years of just being fed that pablum and then tested on the pablum as if your career is going to be judged on your ability to recite the nonsense, it's awfully, awfully dangerous and pernicious.
But I do want to say I sympathize with those of you that come under those accusations because it's not a fun or a easy or a desirable position to be in, but it is a commonly used tactic of the left.
It's nasty when when you're in the thick of it and you're getting beat up. And you get to that place where you have that. Freedom. How do you get there? Someone was asking, how do you find that sweet spot where the Lord just releases you and you just the fear dissipates as faith comes share with you?
I pray that I can stay there. I know that I believe I've gotten there. But there was a time about two and a half years into this thing Turning Point USA, I'll never forget it, where I had to make a very conscious decision whether I was going to stand for truth. Or I was going to try to moderate and kind of be in the middle and be this amorphous whatever, that doesn't get any, you know, and it all came to a head at this when all my high school friends, all the people I grew up with, were aggressively saying, you don't actually believe the stuff, do you?
You're yes. You're this you're that you're that you're that you're that. And so at that moment, I said. Forest fire, whatever survives, it survives, I'm going to stand for truth, and that's hard. Every person I grew up with will not talk to me again. I'm not asking I as a victim, that's not trust me, it's the best thing that ever happened. But no, seriously. And that should be the lesson for you.
It's so unbelievable. I'm going to lose my friends. OK, so, like, just whatever gets whatever gets whatever God wants the purge from your life when the pursuit of ultimate truth and whatsoever be true, that's liberating, I'll tell you. And now I want to be very clear, because people sometimes misinterpret what I'm saying. They think that's a license to be provocative or offensive. And look, I say truth, data science, Newtonian physics that I never thought would be a controversial thing.
The classics, all this. I never go out of my way to provoke or to be offensive. It's not who I am and it's not Christian. However, if I say something true and someone is offended by that, that is not my problem, nor am I going to stop saying it because they are offended.
And so that's a very important point on approaching these conversations, which is you should not in your heart, God knows your heart, seek conflict, seek being offensive.
Charlie, share like he did last service about how you get folks. You ask them questions like Justin.
So, look, we can learn from the greatest communicator in the history of the world, which is Christ. I mean, what other person has had more of a community, more of dialogue implemented into the modern world than Jesus? I'm No. One. It's I mean, so how did he interact? He asked questions. He was the grant. He was he had a grant. He was the grand inquisitor. He would challenge people respectfully and lovingly.
He would hold court literally a court with the Pharisees in the Sadducees asking them. But he also this is very important if you're ever going to engage it. What was Christ before he was any of that? He was he knew the law better than anyone that came across him. He knew the scriptures. Now, how do you apply that, know your stuff and then that you must be studied.
You must be understanding the statistics. And for those of you that are looking like, where do I go?
What do I do? There's plenty of resources out there. Podcast I'm doing Prager University. If you guys are not deep in this sort of teaching, it's more on you because it's all out there.
Right. And so but you must know your stuff because the opposition's going try to trip you up. They're going to say, what about this or or what about that? And also, Christ teaches us humility. The best the best definition of humility is not like cowering into a corner and never moving. I think that's I don't think that's correct. And the better definition of humility is acknowledging how little you know, how ignorant you actually are. And it's that old expression, which is I I always trip up with this, but it's it's I wish I was able to acknowledge how little I knew when I thought I knew it all, like something of that.
And that's essentially part of it. And so, you know, reading and scriptures is the most important thing.
There's two questions all time together since we're already at the bottom of the hour. This one's a little dicey, but I'll do my best with the tearing down the statues across the country, defacing the World War two memorial, going back in anyone who has any connection to slavery, even if they don't, as we saw with the Massachusetts black militia, the monument for them in Massachusetts was defaced.
And we've watched. A quarter, if not half of the history of the Democratic Party erased from their Web site. Shouldn't we go back and change the name or demolish the Democratic Party? Yeah, look, I mean, there's two points here.
If I were to rank for all the Democrats, it wasn't my question. Yeah, OK. But I do agree with it. Yeah.
If I were to rank every issue that mattered to me, I think I 127 would be Confederate statues, just so we understand, OK, I'm like the the things that get me fired up, like the reasons of why I do what I do, probably 127. OK, I'll answer this as systemically as I can. However, I stand firm against the removal of all these statues, every single one of them. Every single one them.
And the reason is this. I'm not defending what they did or any of that, but I understand exactly why they're doing it. This is a Cultural Revolution tactic to remove our history, to insult an entire portion of American society geographically and culturally. And the history is much more complex than how they describe it. So they're taking down statues of Christopher Columbus and they go, look, I want to find everything Christopher Columbus did. But there was a symbology and an archetype behind Christopher Columbus, which is we are going to go forth and create something new, something righteous and something moral.
And he embodied that the boldness of Christopher Columbus. And I'm not going to defend everything in his life. Winston Churchill is impossible to defend everything he did. In fact, he's a very conflicted historical figure, but he's a hero. In fact, he was probably the greatest man that lived in the 20th century. I will never defend what he did in India. In fact, it's awfully morally questionable. But I will defend him putting all of Western society and looking true evil in the face and in the eyes when one was under constant bombardment and keeping that all together and pushing forward and eventually literally playing offense.
And so this idea that we can overly generalize every figure in history I think is so lazy, wrong and sloppy. And the second thing is this. It is a war on the American South. And for those that grew up in the north, you know exactly what I'm talking about. I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. You could probably still hear it my and some of my pronunciation of words from a young age, I was taught that anyone, both implicitly and explicitly, I was taught this.
Anyone south of the Mason-Dixon line is a stupid person. When you make fun of people, it's always the Southern accent. It's in our culture, it's in our news. And that you want to talk about stereotyping. That was the stereotyping I was taught in the suburbs of Chicago. Now, this bothers me in a couple of ways. No. One, they're American citizens. And it's just awful to engage in any form of stereotyping like that. It's not correct.
It's not true. It's not warranted.
No. To 48 percent of the entire act of the United States military comes from seven states. So when people want to go fight, they're trigger happy wars overseas. It's the boys and girls from Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia that are stepping up and rising in huge numbers. Love California. Love New York. They are the two most underperforming per capita voluntary enlistment states in the entire country. And so this entire righteous Malibu Manhattan Ivory Tower syndrome that we're going to go tell the South about their slavery, like, excuse me when you wanted to go fight the Korean War and we had 35000 people die, it was the South that rose up in huge numbers and we wanted to go fight in Vietnam.
We fought the war on terror. It was the South that rose up and even higher numbers, 55, 60 percent. And they didn't rise up in the way that you thought. They rose and they stood in line. They said, I'm going to go sacrifice my life. So the person of Malibu can still enjoy their vegan milkshake and tell me how awful that I.
Right. And and even more so as it is as if it is a war on the American South, it's a war on the American military. We are a complicated nation historically, but we're a beautiful nation historically. And the hubris, the pride and the provoking that they are trying to put into the entire part of the American experience is intentional. It's intentional for a variety of reasons. And even as someone who, again, does not list this as the highest level of my hierarchy of what I care about, I will not give them an inch.
I refuse to go. I know exactly why they're doing what they're doing.