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The NCAA hides under a table, hopes nobody notices all of the silence will get to that in a second.


Why do we hide under a table? Would seem like it's a pretty easy place to find someone if they're just hiding, merely hiding under a table.


I think it's it comes from videos in the advent of television where it is that people in classrooms should hide, although that's hiding under a desk, which the NCAA can also be accused of doing right now.


I believe those video routes are what you would do in the case of a nuclear apocalypse. And you're right when you say it, hiding under tables table is not going to do you any good. And the parallel works here as Lou holds talks about storming Normandy. The NCAA right now is absolutely hiding under a desk or a table as the apocalypse bursts out in all air, all places and everyone is fighting. We'll get back to the anarchy of college sports because rarely is the money laid this bear on the table.


I'm telling you, you got. The stuff that's happening right now can't be unseen, like this stuff will stick to Manfred, the greed on it will stick to Manfred. What's happening in college football? You will not be able to unsee the idea that, yeah, you thought the SEC was mercenary, but now, you know, the S.E.C. is mercenary like it. It should be the you should be for expendible body, like it should be for expendable or disposable, you know, because what's happening here that doesn't really work disposable.


But you understand what I mean.


That would make it the SDC, which doesn't feel is as good or as strong in any way.


And yet I think we all agree that as long as the FCC plays football, it'll feel like a full college football season. The SDC playing that doesn't feel the same.


Also expendable bodies also changes the at the conference. You're absolutely right. It does make the construct of what you were trying to say was flawed from the get go. It really was. Thank you for that. I appreciate it. And I should have postponed it toward later in the show like I intended, but I got caught up in the air. It's a social issue all of a sudden. It's amazing because you know how I gravitate toward the anarchy at every point.


I'm still trying to recover from your big twelve defense joke in regards to social distancing.


I I texted Mike last night what a dad joke I threw in the middle of the show there with the Big 12 conference will be safe on different no matter how much they play because of all the social distance that there always is between the defenders. Put it on the pole, Tony, at 11 to get longer. A good joke or not a good joke. The Big 12 on defense, socially distance is a good joke or bad joke, but we've got conflicting opinions here.


And much like first take, we've got to foment argument. And I feel like and I don't know who else has seen it from Tony and Stu Gods and Roy, but Mike and Chris have both seen hard knocks, hard knocks returned to HBO. HBO does everything well. We're both episodes. Last night, was it both the Raiders and the Chargers?


Well, it's the Rams and the Chargers. Fine. And they're not the highlight highlighted in different episodes. And each episode focuses on both teams. A historic first for the Hard Knocks franchise.


And how did you feel about it, having watched it? I loved it. I loved it because look from the jump. Two teams being covered in hard knocks, obviously better than one, because I think one of the problems with certain hard knocks seasons is they may be for storylines. It might get a little slow in periods. Now you have two teams to choose from, so you're getting the best cut from each side because you have to fill out in our programming.


And now you have two teams to shoulder that content burden also to do this during a pandemic, to be able to actually see the protocols rather than just have them reported on in a tweet you saw is fascinating. It makes it unlike any other hard knocks. That actually is something that I would be interested in. As you see what's happening in college football, as Dabo says to God, that there is no question that these players are safer under our rules and rigidities than they would be elsewhere.


Thirty seven positives a couple of weeks ago. Yes, but he is claiming that there's no question they're safer. Nick Saban is claiming there's no question they're safer. I'm not even here to argue with that. But the part that I find interesting about the layers of finance here is that some schools will be able to afford these protocols and some schools will not be able to afford these products.


By the way, the counter argument to me saying that they had thirty seven positives, that's all intake. Once we get them within our structure, they're all clean because they have the antibodies because they all had it. Yeah, that's well first of all, first of all, there is no proof you can get it a second time.


That is, people have had positives multiple times. There are certain baseball players that can shake negative tests even though they felt totally asymptomatic and they had their first positive result two months ago. It's it's we're still learning about it. It's very confusing. OK, and so while I don't want to sit here and talk about the the argument of whether or not Dabo and Nick Saban are right, that if you totally limit the freedom of players by putting them under the dictator coaches, that those coaches can indeed keep them safe.


Let's not argue that for the moment. I am just interested at someone's dugouts. Disney is a big company. We're all learning about this as we go through this. Mike Ryan and I and you, before you were quarantined, have been coming into a totally abandoned hotel, a hotel that is abandoned entirely. It used to have a temperature checker out front, but that guy has fled the premises. So thankfully, we take our own temperature. Dan.


That's right.


Well, he's still not back. That guy's not back. Yeah, well, you haven't been back, so you wouldn't know that. And there's a lock on that door. So when I tried to get in there while using my shirt around my hand, usually my knee that I'm using these days, but as I put my hand in there, I just started jostling it and it was locked. And I'm like, oh, look, the apocalypse is such that the temperature guy is gone now.


And, you know, we got a couple of hand sanitizers that Disney sent us and some sort of machine that smells bad that I'm afraid to go to because I feel like it has the coronavirus in it.


Don't forget about the placards that tell you on the floor exactly where you should stand. I can't wait to return in a week.


I mean, but, Chris, that part had to be interesting to you, even if you didn't like hard knocks, seeing the lengths that a professional football team with all the money in the world has to go to in order to make sure to keep its players safe, well, that's all we got.


We got an hour infomercial about how safe the NFL is making it, which I'm going to give them one episode. They just need to set the table that they're going to be really safe. If I see any more B roll of his hand sanitizer, though, I'm going to lose my mind. I'm telling you, this is just an hour straight of them telling you how clean it was. I didn't get any. They didn't set any. Storylines of a guy they're going to cut four episodes from now, I didn't get the opening scene, the opening scene of Hard Knocks is like historic.


You wait for it every year. It's like Christmas morning where you wait to see how they're going to start it with the music coming in at the end of it. But this was just Anthony Lynn talking into his room.


Oh, no, this is a very Sucrets take from you. OK, I'm sorry. You're already sick of watching the NFL deal with a pandemic for the first time in its history. Sorry that got boring for you. 40 minutes in. And they already laid the groundwork for players getting cut and you saw one player get cut and he went to Anthony Linson. What the bleep are you doing? You're making a huge mistake with Mike. You're willing to give them a pass, the NFL, because you're allowing them that first episode where they're basically showing you, hey, we could do this even with a world pandemic going on.


You're giving them you're giving them a break and assuming it will get back to more traditional hard.


Chris, Chris, that's Chris take I'm happy seeing all these protocols because I had so many questions about how it worked and how you executed and how painful it is to get the test. I learned a lot watching you on a whole season of that.


Like, I got it after twenty minutes. I get it before they enter every room. They're going to get their their temperature checked. They're going to sanitize like I don't need it. Like it was all we got was then like every meeting that they were having about oh we got to separate. Oh you guys are sitting too close like we get it.


But position meetings are fascinating over Zoom and you see all the technical difficulties that they have where someone's voice gets super echoey. I always wondered all the same zoom mistakes that pop up when we do the show. That's going to happen in positional meetings. Right. And Sean McVay out there trying to teach people offense without the ability to actually throw the ball because it breaks some sort of protocol. It was fascinating, Chris.


I think you got to give them an episode to establish that and show that. I know they'll continue to show it throughout the entire season. I didn't watch last night. I watched it today. I was busy watching Barry Trotz and those boys get it done for the islanders of that. Well, from the sound of your voice, you were screening entire cigarette machine like it is unbelievable. I believe that you have consumed an entire Marlboro factory. Now it is your your voice sounds so bad.


This first segment that is me screaming for my Islander's and Barry Trotz. Let's go. Islander's bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. That's what you heard last night coming out of my house. Out of the aisles. Oh, one of the late. Cloete negative, Nancy, there were some bright spots, we got shirtless mikveh in a pool, we got to see his view, man, what a spot he has in L.A. So there were a couple of bright spots.


But overall, I was disappointed.


Also, McVeigh would totally crush it on Monday Night Football. Oh, totally. He's he is as likable as I thought he would be headed into this. That dude loves football, though.


He and he's got some Marty Smith and him where his hair is always perfect. Like you never see Mikveh. He wakes up with his hair just like all gassed.


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Have you been drinking? What you mean have you been drinking? The reality is like slurring of words there.


Now, are you okay? Are you having a seizure? Yeah, fine. Why?


OK, because you. Because it sounded like you were electrocuted in the middle of that tasered you. Are you OK?


All right. You're not drinking. Everything's fine. It seems pretty chilled me a little terrified.




I don't I don't know if you guys a little too chill sounding a little phlegmy. I don't know. Did you go for a stroll this morning? I'm still trying to put this one together. I mean, perhaps the circus erected a large sculpture dubbed Mr. Poo outside the business to celebrate the new venture pop up store poop poop up.


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Please put this on the pole. This is from a tweeter. Should the FCC change its name to some expendable children? Should the SEC now go buy some expendable children?


It's so much better, I found and so much worse. I have a quote here, Stuart, that I. I believe I'm being fooled by the Internet on, OK? I need somebody to authenticate this code because I simply don't believe that the quote I'm about to read to you is real, but I'm going to read it anyway. And we will figure out on the back end if this is a real thing that was said by a real human being.


All right. Love busked in the conversation about the canceled football season, OK?


UMass coach Walt Bell says allegedly, reportedly, I do not believe it, quote, you know, my dad passed away in 2008. My biological mom OD'd in 2012. And to be honest with you, this is probably a tougher day than both of those days, end quote. Your thoughts there, because I have one immediate thought that jumps out to me above all others beyond even like holy bleep. Is that a lack of perspective or sound like a lack of perspective?


Your thoughts here to God says you hear that quote, he got caught up in the moment.


There is no way he feels like that, that that this day was worse than the day of the death of his mom and his dad. There is no way he's caught up in the moment. He's caught up in the emotion he wants in college football season so badly. He's going to regret saying that if he doesn't already regret saying that, that would be that would be my guess as to what happened there.


All right. What it makes me wonder, OK, let's just say it's not a staggering lack of perspective. Let's say there are some mitigating circumstances and perhaps he wasn't that close to his family. So the death of his parent isn't something that affected him the way the death of a football season has. The thing that jumped out at me beyond all other things, though, is. You miss your you miss when did you miss playing important football game? What would Chris look up you miss this season by season, record year like what were they last year when an 11 like what the hell is this man talking about?


You, miss, has not like you thought things were bad in Colorado states you got to where they abused the players in all sorts of ways, reportedly for a nowhere program that has never played a meaningful down. But Colorado State is Alabama compared to U.S. like how is this the perspective of the U.S. coach?


They were won in 11 last season. What about before that?


Oh, you nailed it. Thank you. I'm an expert on UMass football, one and 11. First of all, smoke out the one and tell us who we should shame there who kept us from a UMass open 12 season being more important to this guy than the death of his parents.


That is the third one in 11 season they've had since 2011.


All right. Give it to me year by year. I want to read the quote again, and then I just want you to give it to me year by year here. This was not planned out. Have we found out, Mike, whether this is a real quote? Because I get fooled by the Internet all the time and this is how you would do it if you were running the onion, you would go to a program like UMass that exists only to get trampled by others.


UMass exists to play college football and simply lose. They are the Washington generals of college football. So UMass coach Walt Bell on the canceled football season, quote, My dad passed away in 2008. My biological mom died in 2012. And to be honest with you, this is probably a tougher day than both of those days. So go ahead. Last year, the Minutemen were one in 11.


Real quote from the athletic. All right. It is a real quote from the athletic. Unbelievable. The year before that.


What were they? They were four and eight the year before that.


What were they?


Four and eight the year before that, what were they to to that the year before that they had back to back three or nine seasons at 14 and 15 before that, back to back one and 11 seasons in 2012, 2013.


All right. So now I'm going to read this quote to you again. And I don't know, my math is bad, but I think the best seasons they've had this decade, they've won. Let's see a third of their games. That's that's the best seasons that they have had, the four win seasons. But my dad passed away in 2008, biological mom who died in 2012. And to be honest with you, this is probably a tougher day than both of those days.


When is the last time UMass and are they indeed the Minutemen also in football? They are, because I don't know if they have one of those strange deals where nobody wants to be associated with this particular program. So they have a different nickname. When is the last time they had a winning season?


It looks like 2010, they put together a big six and five season, they are indeed the Minutemen.


Thank you, Mike. I appreciate it. This is staggering. I can't believe that this quote is coming out of the mouth of this man.


The team that they beat last season was ACRON. All right, tell me more about ACRON, please, and I mean, I think the right coach's name is Tom Orth. OK, Tom Arth, you should be ashamed of yourself for publicly smoking you out or denying. Do I know who I was? You know the answer.


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I was actually company standard. I was actually happy to hear Christine Lacy. I used to do Sunday morning radio in my in my home by myself with my dog, and Christine Lacy would do the update. So I was excited to hear that she's going to be a part of what we are doing. It means less content, of course, because we're perpetually in a spot where we have shrinking around here. You may notice that beginning August 17th, everything around us is going to sound a good deal different than us.


So we will be here from 10 to noon, but we're excited Easter and we're excited about some of the other stuff around that as well, where we're be able to do a local owl where you could check out today's with David Samson. It was really strong. There were a couple of revelations in there I was not expecting at all. And we will have a podcast exclusive as well that's going to debut next week. Like among the things we're going to do, fans of the show should be excited about this part of it.


Like next week we're figuring out how to, you know, watch a game with you, watch a game with you away from here, maybe a Heat playoff game or something as the playoffs ramp up beginning next week. So there are a number of things that we're going to get to next week that we will tell you about next week. But I don't have a lot of confidence that we're going to actually execute any of those things because.


We are a marching band to nowhere. And so for many months to like this has been something that we just walked away from because we get distracted sometimes, or at least I've walked away from it. Then Mike goes on paternity leave.


But we had this wonderful thing. We were in the center of where Dana White and I were working toward fighting each other. And I want to give people all of the back story on this because they may have missed all of it. But this goes back a ways to go in our history doing this show. How often have you ever heard me, like, invite someone to fight on the air? How often have you heard that?


I want to say maybe a half dozen times, maybe name another one, because I couldn't remember it off the top of my head. Maybe maybe you and Cody. I have threatened to fight back, but that was playful.


The only time I thought bleep got real was with O.J. McDuffie back in the day. Oh, that was real.


Oh, yes. We've we've cleared that all up. I'm glad for you guys. So am I. Given that O.J. McDuffie has told the story of trying to get into a fight with Darryl Gardner, realizing Darryl Gardner had one hundred and fifty pounds on him until he went out to the Adolphine parking lot and went to his car and got his gun?


So that is a good football fight. I am glad that you have taken him, though. O.J. McDuffie was known as somebody who might have taken anybody with or without a gun for people 150 pounds heavier than him. Nobody wanted to mess with that dude. But here's some of the back story here, because I don't think people actually know what happened in that interview and where it went sideways. I mean, we have been we have loved in a white forever.


I mean, he's been to our Miami studios. He's been through here for highly questionable. We were talking to him a lot before mainstream people were talking to Dana White. And what happened during that interview is I was trying to do an interview with him that the media doesn't do with him and he doesn't talk about money, about where it is that his labor is underpaid. And I knew it was tricky subject matter. And this is what else I knew that I don't feel like the audience is privy to, like I had signed already human resources paperwork that basically puts me a strike away for violating company policy from all of that Trump stuff 12 months ago, talking about racial divisions.


And so the one place I thought Stewart's that I might actually get fired here is if I run afoul of one of these corporate partners, an NFL owner who doesn't like what it is that I've said, because ESPN has these partnerships with these giant moneymaking corporations. And Dana White doesn't get asked questions like this about how he makes his money. And during a pandemic, he's making monster money for this company at a time most people aren't. He's got a heavyweight fight that a lot of people are going to watch on Saturday.


So I knew my line of questioning was going to be bothersome and agitate him. And so at the end of it, because I know I'm a strike away and because you remember what happened with Manfred Manfred's baseball, like you remember what happened there. Like, I was afraid. I was afraid that something was going to happen where I ran afoul of Dana White again within our company. That's already happened. One time we were doing an interview with Tony Kornheiser, and evidently that's where he got mad at me, I think because we've always had a good relationship and all of a sudden it went sideways.


And next thing you know, he's on with Halle Berry on SportsCenter and it escalates to this place.


After that happened on the radio last week on the Dan Levitas show, Dan seemingly challenged you to a fight for charity. How serious do you think that is about doing this? And what's your response to that challenge?


Dan Levitan is a big mouth. He's all talk and no action. And I can promise you, if he's even remotely serious, it ends very badly for him. But I will give you this. Dan, let me start. If you are serious, I'll put up two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for whatever charity we come up with and we can do it, pal.


OK, challenge accepted with big money. To Dan Levitan, you have 24 hours to respond.


Not big enough money, I'm afraid you're going to need. I'm the headliner. There's the guys. I might not be. I'm he even he said himself, a lot of people would want to see me get knocked out. A lot of people nobody wants to watch fifty year olds fight, but a lot of people would want to watch me get some pain. And also, Stewart, I believe this is a bit of a no win position for Dana White because he's supposed to beat me.


But if I catch him with something, if if I catch him with something, you got seriously that that video is eternal. Like people are expecting me to take a beating. I've seen the betting odds people were taken. I was a plus five fifty. That's an overwhelming underdog that under appreciates my weight advantage and my smothering tactics. Oh, I just thought that was your weight advantage.


What if you catch him with something? What's going to happen? First off, I doubt you can catch him, but what if you catch up with something?


Imagine the video. Imagine the video. So anyways, my brother has made some fight posters Leba,, if you want to see what free Daugherty's looks like and an old timey fight poster. But because we don't finish anything around here, Mike goes on paternity leave and so that my Stewart was it three times I asked him for an update and he said the call had been scheduled and then moved like they couldn't even execute a call on this. Where are we with this fight?


Happy to report that the call did happen and the fight is not happening. Oh, for the love of God, he cited some sort of liability here for him.


I mean, he the lawyers are protecting him. I'm going to break this dude in half. Disney's holding me back like lawyers are holding me back his bald head. I will crack it open if lawyers let me. Yeah, that's what was happening.


The lawyers wouldn't let you drag down a white. I want to hear more about these smothering tactics, because the only thing I imagine you smothering is like nachos with cheese. I'm not giving away the game, I'm not telling you what my game plan is with Dana White, I'm telling you that I've imagined over the last couple of months just Internet footage going viral of me catching him with an elbow and all of a sudden just him spritzing blood from that bald Lex Luthor head.


But that's your strategy. What if I catch it with something like I have a puncher's chance? Well, this is unbelievable.


Why can't we you can always fight them unsanctioned, like like Rocky five style.


Like, where am I allowed to do that? Am I going to get in trouble when I when this guy who's making so much money for ESPN, I harm him and put him in the hospital for a month like a Campi on ESPN television and can't be in the octagon.


But who's to say ESPN isn't in charge of a back alley behind Cleveland or Dan?


Or we could get the clicks from that like a dirty Kimbo Slice video on Reality Street front page.


That man, he's moaning. Oh, I see Mike call. I see Mike who runs Reality Kings and Civil Film and put it on his site is the big dirty fight in a literal Clevelander Alec.


OK, I given my discussions with ESPN and the litigious history of one Dana White, I'm led to believe that being white put a stop to this behind the scenes advance auto parts.


I just look man to God. It's a fireable offense. If in this climate I take out ESPN's big moneymaker by cracking his head open. I don't blame the lawyers for protecting him on this one. I don't. In the next 90 minutes, you will get Bear Grylls in the next 90 minutes, the show will talk to TJ Warren and in the next 90 minutes, you will get Roy's thoughts on nut milk.


But first. I know you're very excited, Mike, about Roy's thoughts on nut milk, you've been waiting for days. We will get to them. I think maybe, but a tweeter writes in here, Lebed Today show, for God's sake, I'll be that guy, you filthy, filthy casuals. Randy Couture barely has a 500 record. Brock Lesnar beat Frank Miller at UFC 100 and Federer is the heavyweight. And there's the goat emoji. Don't talk to me unless it's Masvidal.


He's not a guy.


Also ahead in hands emoji. Yes, our apologies as well to Cain Velasquez. There are five or six guys that you can mention that probably deserve a place in this discussion. But Dana White's got two of them fighting on Saturday and he says that's for best ever. Take it up with him. As you want to argue whether or not somebody is the third or fourth or fifth best heavyweight in the history of the division and bang on correction on the UFC 100 thing, I felt vulnerable going out there.


Brock Lesnar did fight. But as you said, Frank Mir, however, you listed Fader as one of the greatest UFC heavyweights of all time. And I dare you to go check out feeder's UFC heavyweight record and see how that starts. That's correct, sir. OK, we might be filthy, filthy casuals, Nick Adams, but at Nick Radames.


But we also know that Fater was pound for pound considered the best, and then he fought in UFC and that stopped being the case. But you got us, big guy. You threw out a Frank Miller. You hit us in the face with a Brock Lesnar. You gave us a go to Mojie. You gave us a guy with a head in his hands and.


Yeah, sports. And I gave you Fenny. Yeah. If any.


Mike Ryan, I wanted to talk to you because Mike is very excited about some music that is now in our lives. He has been wanting to God. So I don't know if you've heard this. We don't have I don't think the musical rights to any of this.


I don't know, Dan, we didn't have the musical rights to it, but it is a commercial release. I am talking, of course, the song of the summer. You're wondering what's the song in the summer since there's no nightlife anymore during a pandemic, it is very clearly the MLS anthem produced by Hans Zimmer. And it is such a bang of epic proportions. I know you guys were watching MLS is back specifically to hear this rock and anthem.


Well, now I am happy to report it is available all across all streaming platforms. That's right. The Song of the summer. Let's get it to number one on the Billboard Hot 100, Hans Zimmer MLS Anthem Parentheses Procession.


Are we allowed to play it one time? How does this work? When can we play? Because it's a commercial release.


I just do it. Like, I can only play it once, though. And since I don't have it in the system, you're just going to have to listen to it the way that I have over the last six months.


OK, so wait a minute. So before you do this, because we only get the way this stuff works, the rights and stuff are really annoying and it's affected the podcast and it's affected the live show. There are all sorts of rules when it comes to playing music.


Are you sure this is the time you want to use it? I mean, this is the time you want to go to it.


You can use it tomorrow. That's the beauty of this whole setup. Well, I feel like I want to hear it now, though, because can you explain to the people the history of Hans Zimmer? Can you explain to the people who haven't heard why it is that you're this excited specifically? Because it was pretty epic? We are. We went down this conversational path a few months ago with John Tesh, who did that rocking anthem that he gave us the rights to that we can play whenever we want, even though that's not supposed to be the way that really binding.


But he told us on air stewards, he said that we could play the rock and anthem of John Tesh. If you're not familiar with his work, it's use a little bit older. It is generally placid. He has flowing blond hair even in his 60s. He used to be the host of Entertainment Tonight and he just wandered over because he's this talented. He just wandered over to the NBA and said, you know what, I'm going to spit a little something into my answering machine.


And you know what's going to happen in all the years after that? The answering machine is going to die. But my song is not. It's going to echo across decades, even though I'm the host of Entertainment Tonight. And you Libertador show is you got you are welcome to play it as much as you like because I own the mother.


Bleep It brings a smile, a reluctant smile to the face of nut milk. Roy, look at him. He's weary and he's tired. But this song conjures up some childhood, some tache. Roy, you look like you're feeling something that resembles a corpse. Experiencing joy. Probably going to need some context soon on that whole nut milk thing.


Yes, we will get to that in a moment. But first, I just want to hear yes to God. I thought Roy was going to respond to you there with with the verbal.


Third, he did not, but what that song does is it just makes you shake your shoulders and your head from left. That's what Roy was doing, forgetting for a moment that it's radio and we're not televised. And I was asking him a question. Also, he was assembling his important thoughts on nut milk, one would assume. However, I am ready to do it right now. I don't want to tease it anymore. Mike, you. I don't want to tease it anymore.


I want to hear off of your phone right now. Hans Zimmer. I want MLS coverage. I want to see if it's is bangin as John Tesh.


Oh, it's incredible. Why don't we kill two birds with one stone here? Get Roy's thoughts on nut milk to the tune of the MLS anthem by Hans Zimmer. OK, very good. We are combining a lot of things here. But I mean, that's a little distracting, Mike, because. All right, just start the song and I will see whether I go to Roy during and build up the anticipation here. This is on Zimmer off the phone of Mike Ryan.


No milk.


It's a more violent and not Roy's thoughts are not Mel Nag's.


Bear Grylls going to join us in about 10 minutes. I want to ask him, among other things, you remember that Drew Brees story, the story that Drew Brees told about, like just killing an alligator with Bear Grylls. So we're going to talk about that and other things. But we've also got TJ Warren scheduled at twelve thirty Eastern, the guy that is, you know, the breakout star of the bubble, even a bubble that includes Devin Booker and Damian Lillard and TJ Warren.


Also, this happened. This is an actual thing that happened. This is the comedic pacing of this show, the gods laughing at me and the universe aligning we had for reasons that are hard to explain a conversation about TJ Warren in which, you know, and it's going to be Pacers and Heat during the playoffs and you're going to get Jimmy Butler against TJ Warren. But Jimmy Butler said TJ Warren is not in my class. And then Stewart said something that at the time was statistically wrong.


He said something that you will hear here. And then the first time TJ Warren played after that in front of us, he made it statistically, right?


Yes. You got to argue that he can get a forty on any night. Forty five. And this was Dan's response to that.


As you say, TJ Warren can give you forty five because I'm going to go the opposite on that. I'm going to say TJ Warren can't give you forty five on any given night and then the very first given night he was given.


Dan, what did he give you.


So we've got to play that for him, right. That's right. But do we run the risk. We're not going to he's not going to be mad at the very start of the interview.


Used to be a lot better at buttering up at gas stand one. Let's try to go back to vintage Dan, butter you up, get you comfortable. And then here's the insult that I had before you joined us. But now we're friends.


Now we can all laugh at me. Sorry to tell you how to do interviews, but it's been a rough go of it lately in terms of protecting our relationships. It has.


Yeah. He's not going to be mad at me. He's certainly mad at you.


I mean, he's just been his biggest ally, his strongest supporter in the media. You're a day one, TJ Warren backer. All right.


So let's go and let's do this with TJ Warren at twelve thirty. But before we get to that and before we get to Bear Grylls, we have Roy's thoughts on nut milk. Give us what you have here, Roy. We've been waiting for this.


Yeah. So my wife sent me out on a test to find some nut milk for the family. Right. So I go into the store and I'm bombarded by all these options. And that's not even including the grain, milk, the rice, milk and the oatmeal, but with some on hazelnut milk. What's on the mount cashew milk, almond milk.


And obviously, the thing is this milk is for people like that into lactose. Right. Well, I wonder whose idea it was to basically milk a nut. OK, so I'm very good.


Thank you for doing that. I know how you go about milk.


I wish that that phrase had been how the last segment ended, because I forgot to mention that during the middle of everything that was happening at the last during the last segment, I very clearly and obviously pulled a groin and it was Mike's.


What I love nut milk, I do, I just add to his point, though, I've got no idea how you produce milk from a nut. I don't know how hard you squeeze on a nut. I've never seen milk come out of it.


So I love macadamia nut milk.


I love almond nut milk. I coconut milk. Are you lactose intolerant? I have discovered that my body feels a hell of a lot better if it doesn't have any dairy in it. So I am actually weirdly a bunch of nut milk in your body. That is correct. Way too much. But I avoid the almond milk in the cashew milk. But the macadamia nut milk is good. Coconut milk is is good. This is more than I thought we'd be talking about, this precludes us from being able to talk about Hank Williams Jr.


, which I'm disappointed by.


I never tried not milk. It seems like you have nothing but not milk. I mean, that's on the horizon. You got. Yeah.


Whatever happened to whole milk? How about all these milk get over themselves.


All right. Very good. Put it on the pole, Tony, please. How about all these milks get over themselves. Yes or no?


Bear Grylls. New show tomorrow debuts prime video World's Toughest Race Eco Challenge, Fiji, Bear Grylls, the host, he joins us now, grateful for his company. Thank you, sir, for making the time. I was wondering if we could just start with you just listing your injuries over the course of your life, just sort of giving us a list, a detailed list of all the ways that you have brought harm to your body.


I don't know. I try I kind of forget about injuries, but I have been a lot of you know, I broke my back in three places in the military in a free fall accident and off my shoulder in Antarctica and seamers in Canada and a whole bunch of different things. But you know, what it's told me is that, first of all, don't be an idiot. You'll only get it wrong once. Learn from the mistakes, be smart.


And and secondly, as I've been so lucky and I think so much of my experience now has been the sum of many near misses. And I'm actually, you know, contrary to what you might believe, I'm actually pretty cautious as a as a person, especially on a lot of the shows we do like, you know, running wild on taking one on one gets away or something like the world's toughest race. So we had so many adventure races out there, you got to be absolutely on it with this sort of stuff.


But the injuries, it was a great quote. I don't want to arrive at the end of my life a perfectly preserved body. What a waste. I'm screaming. I was covered in scars, screaming, Yahoo! What a ride.


What happened with the parachute jump in the military? Like what? What are the details worth? You know, I don't know how painful this must have been where you end up with three, you know, back broken in three places. Yeah, that was that was definitely a dark time for me, but I ended up spending best part of a year in an active military rehabilitation back in the U.K. It was a big jump in Africa that went went pretty wrong.


But and then I ventured to leave the military. And, you know, there was a long time on my back and braces and all of that just thinking, am I ever going to be able to make it to the bathroom without crying in pain, let alone ever be able to climb again or do any of the sort of things that I was doing. I was serving with the British Special Forces at the time and living a life in a job that I, you know, loved with with the people I love.


So that was a hard, hard one to swallow. But, you know, I look back on my career now and I think, you know, every cloud always has a silver lining. And that is a cliche. But it's true. You know, sometimes you got to walk through these difficult times to get to the good times. And I don't think I would have done any of the TV adventures or any of the big expeditions that I did after leaving the military if I hadn't had that accident at that time.


And sometimes these things give you a fire to get up and grab life and go for it and be grateful for a second chance. And that's kind of what I felt, you know. What's the longest you've gone without being able to get out of bed? And I'm pretty good, I you know, even when I'm injured, I'm stumbling around trying to get out, but yeah, and I'm I'm pretty active first in the United States. Yeah. I don't know, around in bed unless I really have the world's toughest race.


Eco Challenge, Fiji. It premieres tomorrow. Bear Grylls with us on the ESPN Radio. What is the worst thing that you've been bitten by? Probably a viper in the Borneo jungle, a snake, but I was lucky it wasn't it wasn't venomous and I was fine. I think that was just more of a shock. And you've got to be careful with even non-venomous snake bites, with infection and stuff when you're in the jungle. But I know I've had a lot of lot of I've had scorpion and tarantula bites and various things like that.


But yeah, generally, again, I'm pretty lucky. I have three boys and they love, like feeling I've got a great little bit of gristle that's in my ankle. That's basically just scar tissue from a scorpion bite years ago. And and they still love feeling that on my ankle they got the scorpion.


But what is what is the most you've been surprised by an animal in your adventures where you just you even with all your experience, you simply weren't expecting it.


Probably saltwater crocodiles in the northern territories. You know, we'd been traveling through the swamp with this little billabong, this little pool of water. And we thought we were out of territory now. And the crew were about going to fill out water bottles. And I said, guys, that's super murky water. And that's just that's just I wouldn't I wouldn't go near that for now. And that would not be fine. I said, well, here we go.


And I threw a rock in the military as a rock hit the water. This massive great big saltwater crocodile burst out thrashing and turn this whole pool into like a washing machine, a white water thrashing, and then suddenly were actually still like glass again, like water fluoridation swim.


But it's horrifying.


Bear Grylls with us again, world's toughest race, eco challenge, Fiji. We'll talk to him about that in a second. What represents the most scared you've been in the presence of an animal?


And the president's honeymoon may be I may be jumping on the back of a big 60 foot tiger shark once by mistake. Out in the middle of the Pacific and I was built. I built a raft and I slept in between these islands. And and I just jumped off and I didn't see a thing that came straight low. So low levels under the raft. And I landed on top of it. And I think the shark was as surprised as I was.


And the sharks pulled off and I shot up out of the water, back onto the raft, and then came back to try and have the best of me sort of thrashing it on the raft. And I was like, wow, you know, I'm sorry.


I didn't mean to jump on you. I didn't see you there. Yeah, that's happened to me a couple of times. It's terrible. Bear Grylls with us here on ESPN Radio. It's unbelievable. How did you find. How did you find yourself? What are the details? Why were you rowing naked in a homemade tub in the ocean? Well, those days are the days before before I was on TV. Now, nowadays, I can't get away with doing things like that because, you know, you get whatever.


But this was rowing for we rode the length of the Thames, which is the biggest big river in the UK, to try and raise money for a friend of mine who lost his limb, lost his arm, and he needed a you know, a you know, and we have raised money for a prosthetic for him at the time. And so that was the challenge. We rode in in a bathtub down the length of the Thames. Yeah, there you go.


That's prowling the times that I've done that make it. It's been really grueling. With us again, world's toughest race, eco challenge, Fiji.


What can you tell us about this? What's interesting, dangerous, weird about this show. You're doing a prime video beginning tomorrow.


Yeah, well, the world's toughest race has all those elements in it. You know, it is what it what it says. It's the toughest, toughest race ever hosted on planet Earth, 250 miles, nonstop racing day and night for 11, 11 days through some of the harshest terrain and jungle and swamps, the ravines on the planet, teams from all over the world. And there is definitely a concern between those of us who put this thing together, as is anyone ever going to finish it?


You know, is it possible that the answer is watch tomorrow night? What happens is amazing and inspiring and a real testament to friendships and to resilience and.


And to never giving up ultimately, that that's the story of these teams that make it through and it's amazing.


World's toughest race, eco challenge, Fiji. Tomorrow night, prime videos. Got you. Answer this question with your thoughts. Which of these do you think tastes the worst?


Got raw frozen yak eyeballs, camel intestine juice, raw goat testicles, a live snake, maggots as big as your hand or a giant live spider. Which do you think tastes the worst theirs to?


Got the the testicles, the raw goat testicles. Bear Grylls. Which of those tastes the worst? Bull's eye. Yeah, the Testico truly, truly bizarre thing is that I tried to swallow, I made the error of trying to swallow it whole without chewing it and and and and I couldn't do it. So then I said my throat, like, squashed this thing and then it exploded into a mouthful of everything is going to be inside that testicle. And then I vomited and then I and I had to swallow the vomit and the testicle and the contents of the testicle.


And it was just a really bad way to kick off an adventure we had in the Sahara Desert a few years back. You don't say you picked the low points in my life.


I've got a great, great time.


You are nuts. Injuries, injuries near death worst.


You know, I've been a lot of highlights as well.


You know, I tried to lose the game, so it doesn't work. Thank you. Very afraid.


Thank you for your amazing what you do.


What you do is amazing. World's Toughest Race. Eco Challenge. Fiji tomorrow, prime video. Hold that thought.


Let's sell some ads. Surprising bonus thoughts on nut milk. Tea buckets, Tony is calling him TJ Warren with Guards is his biggest fan. He has no bigger national fan, I don't think, than used to God. You told everybody could give you 45 any given night. T.J. Warren with us now on ESPN Radio. I guess we'll start there. Your first night in the bubble. As soon as Stewart says T.J. Warren can give you 45 any given night.


TJ Warren, who had never gotten 45 and tonight night goes to the bubble and gets more than 45 in night. So what the hell happened there? And thank you for joining us, Te Buckett.


Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. What happened with you getting into the bubble and all of a sudden you're the breakout star of the bubble, is that something that you were expecting to happen in the months preceding? Something like that? I mean, even when I see and it we've been playing really good basketball throughout the whole year and definitely wanted to use it to restart the chance to really take it to another level, you know, All-Star Sabonis. He went out with an injury and he hasn't been playing, so Gaz has had to step up and I know my mind he wanted to be more aggressive and, and try to step up with all that, with the injuries with the team.


So I mean it worked out so far as the work's not done and we got to continue to get better. What is scoring 50 mean to you as someone who grew up loving basketball, like going into an NBA game and scoring 50, what were the touchstone moments in your childhood where a guy put up 50 and you realize the number matters to you? Yeah, I mean, that's it's a great feeling being able to envision that and really do it in a game at the grown up in the backyard or in the front yard, just playing with your friends and just.


Having a deep imagination of having these type of moments and this sort of surreal feeling to be able to to do that on this type of stage and how all eyes are on us and to restart in this uncertain year, it was it was a great feeling.


Now, T.J., I did say at the time, you're a guy that can give your give your team forty five on any given night, even though you had it done so in your career.


But with that knowledge, did you feel like you were a guy that could give your team on, you know, 45 on any given night, even though you haven't done it yet?


Yeah, I mean, I'm confident in my abilities. I always been able to score the ball, always had a knack for doing my whole basketball career from high school to college for the NBA. So I work on my game so much. I just knew it was my time was coming to be able to have these type of moments and all the hard work and and from the time I put into the game is kind of just reward me with the type of results like this.


I understand that it's a lot more I want to do and not just be known as the scores going on as a two way guy to play defense as well to score on whatever the team needs me to. So I just just wanted to continue to get better.


Chris, what happened there? Why were you making faces at the he's running around his room doing the Tiger Woods makes a play like what is happening here?


I mean, he's just in this for himself. I mean, T.J. has been a scorer throughout his college career.


And you just ask him, did you know that you could do have a good game? Like, what are you doing? Yes.


What do you want to be doing? I believed in TJ Warren when no one else believed in TJ Warren. I knew forty five fifty was right around the corner. I knew what he was doing was right around the corner, was just a matter of getting Sabonis out of there and look what happened and Oladipo getting Sabonis and Oladipo out there gift buckets all the touches boom that's what you're right you got. You've never been more right about anything. The Pacers TJ though nationally you feel it right.


Everyone's like yeah whatever Pacers to win fifty games they'll overachieve, they'll be great. But yeah whatever the Pacers there's only so far that team can go. Yeah, I mean, just being my first year, I just see how much the Pacers really care for their players. And as a first class organization, I understand that we're a small market, but we got a group of guys that are hungry, chip shoulders and out the pros. And I feel like with this group, we're all young and I'm in the 20s and we're just continuing to get better as time goes on.


And I know nobody's satisfied here and everybody wants the place to be great. So it's good for everybody that Hamas are moving forward.


We were really looking forward to that Monday night game because of the escalation of everything with Jimmy Butler, Mike Ryans and enormous Miami Heat. And we had people in the crowd there who got my father. Mike, what did you want to ask TJ Warren?


Well, T.J., Jimmy Butler sort of dismissed you there. And to guys like Scott, to myself, who was aligned with guts in saying that you can get 45 any given night because I've seen how much you've improved year over year. I found that dismissive. Obviously, you did in that movement. Had cooler heads prevailed or is this playoff series going to be chippy?


I mean, any playoff series is going to be competitive, but I'm I'm definitely not distracted by what's going on. And I thought the media, how people might feel about Miami. At the end of the day, we are all competitors and we all want to play hard at the end of the day. But I can't really, really give my energy to the everything off the court has got to compete when you're on the court.


It's a good answer. But were you hurt when he's coming out there publicly and calling you soft and saying you're not on his level? Was it something that's just personally hurtful when you know you're a good player and it's not something you want to hear?


I mean, no, I mean, guys, I mean, you think LeBron and all the top players in the league, I mean, they get hate, but that doesn't stop them from being who they are. You know, I mean, it is all a part of the game you can't really be too concerned about. Because the thing is, this is just part of the game. So you just got to keep moving forward. So how do you feel?


How do you feel about Jimmy Butler?


Excuse me? How do I feel? I mean, I don't feel an overwhelming. I mean, nothing can't really get a reaction out of me. I'm just cool, calm and collected.


TJ Warren with us here at ESPN Radio. T.J., what's the big difference here? How does it feel playing in empty arenas, not playing in front of fans? It's got to feel different to you, right?


Oh, oh, no kidding. Did he hang up on us? I mean, it could be a coincidence after that. I thought I thought we were good. There was a buzzer that went off and I was like, oh, that was for our interview.


He hung up on us. You think so? No, no.


I thought we couched. All right, Mike, try get some of the best hang ups in show history. I think that was a coincidence. Chris, what do you think? Coincidence?


I think that was the connection. I don't think he hung up. I'm a little worried now because I was going to really like TJ Warren.


But we're it we're at a loss right now.


I was trying to be so careful in protecting our relationship. You were very gentle the way you ask the question. I was one of the guys I was with you on 45. You're a heat Homer. And you were very soft with him.


Maybe the fourth Jimmy Butler follow up.


Yeah, maybe it was only a third. It was only a third. And I interrupted him to do it, though. And I got this feeling I got I'm like, how did you feel? It sort of cornered him, right? Like, I've got to have a feeling here.


So you doubt doubted him on the front end? You ruined our relationship on the back. And I mean, you've done nothing with TJ Warren here, you bucket.


Get her back on the line you want. I still have a minute, let me call back and just hey, you. Are we good to hear? All right. Yes. Let's gather let's think into this for a second. Through God says Mike Ryan calls back and see if we're OK. But what's your best guess is Chris is hopeful. I also think it was just bad timing. I don't think that the question because you were asking him about, you know, people have said that the sightlines are better for shooters.


You were asking about playing in the bubble. That's not an objectionable question.


Yeah, but by that point, we had already followed up twice on Jimmy in Baltimore.


If we wanted to go sightlines there and I'm in the middle of it, I have like it's sort of like a rotating list of numbers. And anytime someone calls in on our line, I lose the most recent number. That was called an unfortunate for me. I've lost the callback number and he hasn't called back yet.


So given our history, it's kind of the worst kind out together. We're going to gather information. We're going to regather ourselves. It's not bad for the show. It is just generally bad, as the show often is. And so we will gather Arcel only see that one coming.


I didn't either give us a warning, but now it's out in the air there.


So stay in your cars. If you're listening on podcasts, stay right where you are in the next segment.


Radio to hold that thought, let's sell some at. I'm not sure, though, I am not sure. I mean, you even held me up as a mid shield so it wasn't coming from I really did that. I was hiding so behind you. That's right. I didn't really catch me until now. I'm like, wow, sharing the ball.


I just sort of lost it to you, third or fourth question. And then as soon as it was open, I jumped in there with Jimmy Butler.


Follows that your medium, even if he hung up on us, I think I still like him.


Me too. The only person I don't like there is me. And I believe that that's the entire audience right now.


So familiar position.