This is the down labor part, sure, we've still got Sparkasse. OK, so I have to ask apologies of the audience here, because I know that yesterday was a lot more fun and you got the hijinx for a couple of days. And I'm drinking tequila on air and we're celebrating freedom. But then over the course of the evening, it felt more obvious than ever that democracy and freedom are being challenged in a way that hasn't existed in our lifetimes.

And so normally, I would want to talk to Bomani Jones and Mina Kimes and some of the people at ESPN that we love having around here and doing the show the way we normally do the show. But we have a big stable of people at ESPN or outside of ESPN that we can go to to get really smart commentary at a time that some things are under siege in America that are appalling. And so we bring in John Amaechi now and we're just going to be taping two shows in one day because we're a pirate ship and we're untethered and we're not working tomorrow because I can't keep paying for security and the things that we need around here every day because I'm hemorrhaging money as we try to try to get a start up off the air and just we're calling our friends and my friends to talk about these things as America feels like it's falling apart a little bit.

We're playing to today. We're playing to today. Yes. And so hopefully you will get enough of what you like about the hijinx of the show. But I want to go to my serious friends about serious commentary. And of course, we will also do something each at the end, to waste an important man's time with giggles and snorts. And that's what he'd rather do, actually, than being eloquent and being eloquent. Man on cue. So I'm here for.

All right. All right. So we will leave that time at the end for this.

But let's talk about the serious stuff. We just talked to Stan Van Gundy. And I don't I don't want to be alarmist, but the stuff he was saying about we're already at civil war and all of this is going to get worse in America. And I don't know why America would think that it couldn't come, that democracy and freedom couldn't come under siege. And then it's more than just about Trump, that it's about the hate he's fomented with a lot of aggrieved white people, John.

Aggrieved white people. And we were talking about earlier washstand. If those have been black people storming that capital, there would have been bodies rolling down the steps and it wouldn't have been the police letting people into the building. And the aggrieved white people even come from a position of privilege because black people are looking at that yesterday and saying, you've got to be kidding me. Where are the rubber bullets? Where are the arrests like? How the hell is that allowed to happen?

Well, you would have been on our necks for eight and a half minutes and made sure every one of us died in the street.

I I'm devastated about all this. I'm devastated about what is happening currently. I would love to be the person to come on. And I was the person not many months ago saying to people who are talking about civil war, reminding them that this kind of inflammatory language is unhelpful, reminding them that there was an actual civil war where huge numbers of people died. And so making this equating these two things was inappropriate and yet now. I am so angry, I'm so and I'm not even in America, I'm so angry that I feel every morning when I was watching this this morning at five o'clock.

It felt as if as if my rage was trying to choke me. I have been right there at the precipice of that at that point where you're so angry, you just want to cry all day, because I look at this and I don't think people understand how consequential it is. This isn't just about a few hundred a few thousand people storming into the offices of power and essentially treating it as if it was a pantomime stage with no consequences whatsoever. This isn't about Trump anymore.

This is about a group of people who have been unleashed. There have been unleashed by him. Yes, they've been empowered, yes, they've been provoked, yes, they've been pushed and cajoled and manipulated, but these are people who have been waiting for this opportunity and it's time that we started addressing this. There are. There are good people and there are bad people, and I think the kind of people who understand privilege and on the one hand enough to know that they can storm into a federal building and be I watched pictures of of women being escorted out by having their hands held, held by police with riot shields.

To understand privilege so deeply and yet, on the other hand, deny it. In the face of talking about race or disability or LGBT. Is egregious. I don't I don't I still think civil war is too much, but at the same time. I don't understand what cogent argument recovers this situation. They don't believe that Joe Biden is a legitimate president. God forbid anything happens to him in the first term and he becomes incapacitated and the VP has to step up because then I think there is trouble.

John, help me with something I need to establish for the new audience, because we've got a whole lot of new audience right now, John Amaechi credentials. I've talked to him for 20 years as a smart basketball guy on a show I did on ESPN radio very early on. He'd come on with me very early on Sunday mornings, and he's Shane Battier. And Adonal Foyle would come on and be the smart basketball guys. Over the course of much time, John Amaechi and I became friends.

John Amaechi was very obviously trying while still playing in the NBA, was trying to tell me that he was gay and I was an idiot and I had no gaydar. And he tried to show me with rainbow towels in his house. He met you at a gay bar? Yes, he did meet me. He took me to a gay bar. And I still didn't understand because I'm an idiot. And anyway, Tim Hardaway then comes on our show and the history is long defames, you know, John Amaechi after John Amaechi came out in a book saying he was gay and John Amaechi is remarkably credentialed, he is as smart a person as I have ever met inside or outside of sports.

John, I know you try to be humble and I know we make fun of you about, like, your lofty status in England and your titles and stuff. And you're a clinical psychologist as well. Can you just please give people what your resume is so I can give this the bulk it deserves? And people know who's talking right now. A seminal, the best basketball in the history of basketball player in the history of your country. And it's not it is not nearly the most interesting thing about you.

Yeah, and even that's in dispute. Let's face it. So. Yeah, there are there are a of British basketball players, they may not have British passports anymore, but they were anyway. So I'm an organisational psychologist. I used to be a marriage and family therapist. I am a fellow at the Royal Society of Public Health, where I am the director of the country's the UK's largest hospital trust, about two and a half billion quid. Twenty three thousand staff, nurses and doctors, obviously, during this pandemic, a pretty big deal.

I'm not an academic in the real sense, but I'm applied academic in that I am. I'm a PhD, but I'm an applied academic. I try and use the research to help people perform better, deliver better, be better. And right now, it never has been a more interesting time to be a psychologist to watch as the world pulls itself apart to watches. I mean, talk about a trick of psychology. I don't believe that Donald Trump is a clever man, but never before have I seen someone be able to show such overt and the clear and explicit disdain for a group of people in white.

White working class people, he has utter contempt for them, and yet at the same time has convinced them that he is their only savior, a man who would no more speak or shake hands with someone he would consider below his station than he would. Offer solace to an immigrant. And yet somehow he's manipulated the society you were thinking Luol Deng and and Ben Gordon there, weren't you? Oh yeah.

I'll at least take Luol Deng then Gordon I'm not sure, but I had no idea they were British. Really put it on the pole place at 11:00 Today show. Did you know Luol Deng and when Gordon were British? But no, John, explain it to me. How and why did that happen? I want to get into. You've been very eloquent, more eloquent than anyone I've heard on the subject of what privilege is. But before we get to that, how and why did that happen?

How and why was a buffoon able to manipulate people, a buffoon who is not good at subtleties, not good at acting, he's not good at dancing. He is not a sinister genius mind able to mobilise people with Hitler speeches or Fidel Castro speeches. It's an oath. It's a clown car that is mobilized. This it is not it is not sophisticated in any way. It is awful. It is. It is. And it's going to be criminal.

If we're able to use our justice system to continue to keep freedom, it's going to be criminal. That what is in the White House right now, John, how is that able to manipulate the American people? Are we that dumb? No, no, no.

This is not about dumb. I mean, everybody likes to conflate a government with its with with its people. We do this with China. We imagine because the Chinese government is the way that all Chinese people are that way. It happens with Americans. During the Obama presidency, most people in Europe thought Americans to be the most erudite and clever people in the world, less so now. But it's Americans aren't stupid, Americans have the same foibles and biases as everybody else.

Everybody in the world. Wants to feel innocent and righteous, everybody wants to feel innocent and as if the world is fair and so when presented with the opportunity. To pretend that you are not part of the problem, those people over there, whoever they may be, leftists, liberals, progressives, black people, the gays, who it might be when presented with the opportunity to personify the problem in the body of another person, most people will take that.

Oh, it's not me. It's it's them. And then you enter an environment where politician after politician after politician will reverse their opinion in order to maintain power and support that kind of idea, people who reviled Donald Trump during the primaries, the GOP primaries, who then turned around and are his staunchest supporters now. In that environment, it's not hard to understand when given the chance to be blameless for the situation of the world, most people will take that when given a chance to understand that your tough situation is not your fault.

It is not your lack of industry, not your lack of care, not your lack of preparation, not your lack of effort or work. It's that person over there. They've done it. And then when an entire industry and mechanism in, frankly, Fox News and others. Come together to continually send you those messages, you suddenly realize, you know what, it's right, it's not my fault. And so when somebody convinces you that immigrants are the problem and then a man comes along and tells you he'll build a wall, which will stop the immigrants, it's not a massive leap of faith to understand that.

That's your man right there. Forgetting about the fact of the necessity of workers who might be undocumented to pick your lettuce and tomato and to make sure that Chipotle can still run. They're are immensely wealthy men, mostly men in politics, in America and in Britain who have managed to convince. People with nothing that they're just like them, they've managed to convince them. We got a man in England called Jason Jacob Rees-Mogg. He is essentially an 18th century gentleman transported to now he's still at the age of 50, has his his lifelong nanny.

He does not his children. He does. He somehow managed to he wears three piece suits and a monocle since he was eight. And he's managed to convince working class people of every color in this country. But he's going to meet you on the bus and have a chat and give a damn about you. This is orchestrated. It's only to the benefit of a very small number of people. I don't know how we get back from this, I don't know how we climb back from this.

You didn't take any solace yesterday because it has been depressing talking to you and stand, you took no solace yesterday from the Republicans who were so interested in getting close to the power and the money at whatever cost, led by, you know, better have my money. Mitch McConnell, you were deriving no solace yesterday from the fact that the Republicans finally took off their masks and decided to lead a little bit, but only when totally scared shitless did everyone start talking about the importance of freedom.

I reacted to much of that to be soothed by it, but also to think to myself, oh, too late. All of you guys now like Clay Travis in sports, that shit stain Clay Travis, who has been having the president on President Trump on for how long in sports, because it's the only place Trump could go. It was the only ally he had. And now Clay Travis is backing away saying, wait a minute, I didn't say anything about violence.

Join me on out kick in 30 minutes. We'll talk about it. All these enablers, all of these enablers in this country that enabled this point. You took no solace last night, John, from the fact that the Republican leaders now took off their mask and said, well, this is enough. This is where we draw the line only when we're scared shitless.

How terrible is know how terrible is that personal reputational recovery? On the backs of dead people. There are 300000 dead Americans from covid. I think a little more than that at this point. Where were they? Wearing a mask is not a profession. No more than telling people to wear a seat belt. It's about the thing about my squaring, and I know the thing about my spring is, is it's utter. Dignity, the fact that wearing a mask doesn't protect you, it protects the people around you.

It's the mutuality of where my squaring that makes it work, that's why Asian countries are now recovering because they wear masks. And where would these people who are now apologizing for what happened yesterday when they could have saved lives six weeks ago, six months ago, four years ago? Where were they when we mocked disabled people or said that we could grab women's genitalia and I quote, nothing they can do about it, you don't get to recover in the final minute and pretend that you were always there.

Now, these. These people will be they will be shamed in history, there's nothing Mitch McConnell or any of his ilk can do now. OK, so this is super depressing from every side in every way, can we do a little stomp the Miach now?

I mean, I, I do like to now try and I want all your thoughts on this, but I want to try and do the show around.

Going to kick John's ass better because he won the last game time. Different one. All right, guys.

Got hang. All right.

Well, let's see here, John. I have never spoken words in my life that I had the last six months. I am telling you.

All right, John. Here's the thing, though, John, I need a little more time from you today. I know you're very busy. You're very credentialed, but I want your voice on this. I think it's important. We've been cultivating it for 20 years, you and I, John, like, because you're on these topics, you reach people, they hear you. You have a way of saying things that they haven't heard before. But we've got to sprinkle in some of our show.

So we're going to do something each a little differently. We're going to throw something each in here one at a time, and then we're going to do laps and have fun. And then I'm going to ask you a serious question in the middle of this. And that's how we're going to play stump the media today, where we're going to go from from light to funny here, little back and forth, little tennis game, serious fun, serious.

So you guys do your show because this is always a tension around here. I'm such a social justice warrior. Dan Whoa. Guitard. And then I bring my friends on and we talk about highfaluting things and the fun gets sucked out of the room. This is our show. Today is an important day to the board in conversation. I'm glad you would meet your having it and not me and you. But now we play Stump the meat for a minute just to break it up.

There's nothing wrong with that. This is our show, Dan.

I am bypassing the normal five selections for a massive double show.

Seven. OK, wow.

So we can play. So this is Stump the Meat. This is a great steroid burst of stuff to me. I am telling you, Mike is so upset, so pissed off that we lost the last game, the first loss we've ever had, first loss ever that my mood, the last one Mike has promised me. He has saved his absolute my absolute best stuff for you today.

I mean, it's all right. I'm ready. Let's go.

Let's start with number one here. We always start with an easy one, Mike. You're starting with an easy one. You give the illusion to means that you might win had good.

Oh, come on. That's the first one. Come on. He's going to go over and I need to hold on.

Hold on. Let's hear this. And I said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had your own one. Come on. I got it. No. Yeah. You want a hint.

I'll even give you a he says he's got it. He said he has it. No, no, no. I thought that's what he said. No I guess that's OK with you guys. All right. I got it.

Well my hit was that it was two words and he went with three. All right. Yeah. All right. Any any guesses before we go? I have no idea what he said. One more time. I had and is I know that is I mean, I yeah. I mean, I listen listen.

I just want to tell you, Mike, that this kind of anger that you're holding about losing this is not going to be helpful for you. And it was not going to be helpful for me right now, but it's not going to be helpful for you in the long run.

I'm angry about lots of things. And this is obviously misplaced anger right now taking it out. I could see this.

All right, John, I had mentioned earlier that I thought that you were profound and eloquent in a way that I hadn't heard expressed on the subject of privilege. It was very much gentle and reaching across the aisle. So without insulting the aggrieved here in America who feel like they have every right in the world to be aggrieved, what do you mean when you say that when you come from a position of privilege, sometimes you don't notice some of the things happening around you until they're storming the Capitol with with weaponry that leaves somebody dead in the hallways?

Yeah, I think privilege is about the absence of an impediment like this. The first thing to say is this. Every single person believes in some kind of privilege. Everybody understands the privilege, for example, of being a native speaker in a country. So whether you're American going to somewhere in Europe or British going somewhere in Europe, you understand the advantage of being a speaker of that language. You understand the advantage, the privilege of being born in a wealthy family versus a poor one going to a private or independent school.

This is going to a comprehensive four state school. We know about these privileges and we understand them. We understand that they they provide an advantage. But when you're in them, I went to a grammar school in this country that's a not a comprehensive school, not a state school. It's a slightly better fee paying school where I got a bursary and I took for granted that that's what school was like. Never occurred to me. The other people went to schools where they just didn't learn stuff, whether it was chaos, whether there teachers who were disengaged.

That's an advantage I took my entire life through. Without even considering until I got to witness what other people schooling experience was like. The problem we have is that oftentimes privilege ends with race and gender. As a man, as men, we have huge privilege, huge privilege. I didn't really think about this. There's a woman who did a Twitter feed and I'll find it and post it on my Twitter feed after this. But she did this question.

She asked women, what would you do if men had a curfew after nine o'clock? And that's the thing that taught me about male privilege, because I watched the responses from women across the world and they were so they were so mundane, Dan. They were so ordinary, I'd walk with both my headphones and. I'd run at night. I leave my drink at the bar. I'd watch the stars. This is stuff I'd never considered. That I couldn't do that the absence of that impediment had never occurred to me because I never asked a woman what her experience was like.

And when it comes to blackness, I'm a psychologist. I'm a 50 year old psychologist. I live in a penthouse in Covent Garden. I don't know what the American or Miami equivalent, maybe your house equivalent of that is, but it's doing all right. And I get stopped and searched three times a year. A man in a uniform in a police uniform holds me by my arm. And the last time it happened, I was wearing a three piece suit.

And outside of Leicester Square tube station, a man who looked 12 to me, a police officer who looked 12 to me, held me by the arm, looked me in the face and told me that I resemble the description. I was wearing a three piece suit. I am six foot nine and I have a bushy white beard. I'm genuinely interested to know the doppelganger that I have in London, and I'm aware it's a big city or most the reason I say this is because this happens to me three times a year.

It hasn't happened in twenty. I just want to be absolutely full disclosure. And that's because the solution to not being stopped and being stopped and searched in the street for me is a large black person is to never leave my house.

Most white people have never considered that it could happen. I watch in the before times when they were tourists here in central London and white people would come up and they would walk up to the a police officer who was not facing in that direction. And I would watch incredulous as they approach a police officer from behind and then touch them. Tap them on the shoulder and they would turn around, they would see their faces, their white faces, and they would smile and they would get directions somewhere and I would watch this enraptured.

Because I am not a law breaker, I am unbelievably boring. But I'm terrified of the police because I know how humiliating it is to be held by the arm, by a man who looks 12 if you've never considered this. That's a privilege. You never considered the possibility every lift, every elevator I get in, I know where everybody's wallet is because men inless with me, they put their hands on their wallet and, you know, on the jacket pocket.

Women take their bags from the shoulder closest to me and put it on the shoulder furthest away.

And this is happening to me, a psychologist, what is so scary? And it's happening in a lift, and let's face it, I am old and I'm a bit decrepit, but if I'm trapped in a five foot by five foot box with you going up 40 floors, if I want a wallet, I'm hoping your wallet.

This is the stuff that people don't consider.

And it may seem inconsequential to you, but it doesn't happen once. Every day I walk outside in public, I know that I'm a monster. Because that's how people respond to me. They don't look at me and think there's that clever guy who's got a bit of a fixation with Star Wars. No, no, they don't think that they cross the street. That tells you something about yourself that's horrible. And there's a white person, you've probably not had that, and it doesn't mean you've never been had an interaction with the police, it just means your interaction with the police isn't because of the color of your skin.

Privilege is not it doesn't mean unearned riches. I know that the people, some of the people who are listening to the show right now, they've got nothing like that wealth privilege that I have, nothing like the education privilege that I have. I am a deeply, deeply privileged person. And I admit that every single day. And you know what happens when I do that? Absolutely nothing, except for the fact that I am slightly better at interacting with people without privilege.

I am slightly more inquisitive about understanding the ways that I am not impeded that other people are, John.

That was one of the greatest answers to a question I've ever heard on his radio show. Dan, I just want to make sure of one thing we're doing. One, stop.

This is the way this is the thing. He loves the sound of his own voice because I do. I'm sorry I was never going to be proud of. He's been coddled for 20 years.

Everybody stands around listening and he's like a modern day philosopher. He sits on a rock and it shows us how smart he is. We'll show him how he's not that smart. Mike, bury him and got mispronunciations so he can't just be smart guy. Let's go back to a fun guy because smart guy is boring, John, and this is what you really want to be doing anyway. So just bury him and bury him and stuff the meat. Well, yeah.

Have fun with that man. Well, you are good luck. Well, you are. Well, you are I think that's pleased. Final answer, no. Now, come on, you coward, please. I think I know what it is. You think you know what it is.

Perhaps this is going to be so hard. Go ahead and give him a hint. You can give me a hint.

Give me two words. Right. One word. Oh, that. Oh, my God. He thinks he's fluent in this shit. I don't know what I said. Thinks he's fluent in my own language. And how awful is it speaking?

I've resorted to dirty tactics and you'll find out why. Final answer, John. Give it to me. There was no hint, wow, strong word I tried to give you your word, you're going to go over one word. You're going to go 017 John. You're going to go.

I'm just going to go. Uh, no reason. Well, it's clean. I mean, normally I would be mad at Mike, I'm not used it for his general incompetence.

Rachel, I love you to I believe that this radio show has an ability to go both high and low. And ladies and gentlemen, here it is right in front of you. The stupid guy is going to win. He's going to run up the score on the eloquent, smart guy here, because you're going to go 017 because you can't. It's not for certain yet. Yes, it is for certain.

Those were the first to meet. You had no idea.

I always come back. How is this clean? You explain to me how in God's name or Art Briles is hell. Is this clean?

I was it whatever it was.

Please don't say you understood what you thought it was two words instead of said, all right, I was language.

Now you're down to in a series but a season a series does not start until a team wins on the road. So you're still in this in a seven game series. Oh, Jesus. I'm going to come back from this is fine. You're not right. He just played it twice and didn't even hear it.

It is a chance to win a game. Sir, you're not coming back. Go ahead. Just take a guess, sir. Say three words, she is that one word. It must be this is one word. It's got to be one syllable, correct.

Let's give them some. It's got it's not one anymore. Can you tell?

I've got to go with this. I've got I don't think it's one syllable. I think it's probably two. But I'm still going to go with. It's either upset or sit. I'm going to go with sit, sit, sit. It's a good guess. It's also wrong. That is season, of course. There it is. All right, you're own three and you're going to go on seven because the dumb guy beats the smart guy around here.

As America falls apart, democracy falls apart and Donald Trump wipes his dick on the constitution and democracy and freedom and all over the line again with the dead, the gangrene dick of Donald Trump that's been God knows where porn stars and everywhere else. Now it's gangrene, the gangrened this year. This is refreshing to hear. I'll tell you.

Thank you, John. Let's do this for now. So you're saying the gangrened, Dick, of Donald Trump is refreshing to hear from you? Yes. All right. What else we got here?

I think I know that. I think I know it. I think I know. But I think we're going to get it wrong. You think it's the one syllable?

I was going to say the hint was you played. Oh, I thought it was cool. Right. Oh.

Quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. Not going to be. Oh, that'll be too easy to quit.

Is it. One syllable, Mike. Is it. Oh now it's a horse galloping down the road. Galloping, galloping. Get away from freedom. Freedom is burning behind us. It's burning behind us. I'm going to stop you right now.

Stop giving visual hints on the zone.

Chris, what did you just do? Chris, are you trying to help me? I didn't even see Chris. Hold on, Chris. So focused on the sofa. I feel bad. Chris got nothing. Just one syllable.

Chris, what did you just try. Let's see if we can guess it based on your charades. Oh, quarterback. Quarterback. That is the word quarterback. He just dropped back to pass me. Is that is the water back? That is if it's quarterback. I'm taking it. Let's go.

Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys. You cheater. Really the one that gave it away? Never really. Oh, you give it away by pointing out that Chris was still playing. You have to say quarterback. He's British. He might have missed it. You probably believe I've spent a no no. You know nothing, mate.

You know nothing about sports. How did I not know you were gay when you said one time, I don't like to sweat. And also I feel like I have menstrual cramps to that. Yes, because the the gay bar didn't give it away.

I know. Listen, I dropped every hint you could possibly need me to tell how he sat down. At least we sat and watched an entire DVD of Sceptically Together.

That's true. What the hell he did. No, no. I love Cirque du Soleil meets. What were you thinking when you took me to a gay bar and I just thought you were trying to get away from, you know, I thought you were a basketball player and professional basketball, so you wanted a quiet place. I was I was I was incredulous, I just I thought here we are again with that thing where in America, especially back then, people are always had this thing, where is he British or is he gay?

Was always the thing anyway. And I just thought, you must have thought, oh, yeah, this is what British men do. It is actually what British men do now. But it wasn't back then, OK.

And so when did you realize finally I don't remember what was.

I mean, there were there were when I was when I looked at you and I said, Dad, yes. Yes, that's exactly right. Because we thought we were having a conversation and you were like, no, we were doing this, but you were doing this hypothetical. You know, it would be incredible, you know, somebody coming out. And it's so difficult, you know. You know, that would be even hard to understand. And I looked at you and I said, no, it would not be hard to understand.

You were like, oh, that's that's amazing. Right?

I really thought that John was kind of I thought John was going to be Jackie Robinson and that voice with no like I thought that John was going to become the first athlete to go public as gay because he was uniquely qualified of strength of character, a principle of eloquence to be an advocate for this cause. And it was too hard for even him, even him. I don't have that wrong.

It's already been done. I had already been warned at that point by staff at the Utah Jazz to tone it down. And so it was like, let's face it, as much as I like to believe I was decent, I was kind of average. I just hung on there with my fingernails. I think it would have been the kiss of death. I would have been an advocate from Britain. It would have ended your basketball career, you think they made it very clear?

Well, the jazz to the jazz made it very well, is that that's that's why you you said that. Is that why you ran that afoul of Jerry Sloan? Yep. And because he knew you were gay and he wasn't tolerating your gayness that the rumors circulated.

I had a little more of a life in in Utah than I did other places. And so the rumors circulated and they did not like that. It's a wholesome family environment. I was told, wow, I really ruined something. What else do we have here with seriousness? What do we have hit him with another one speech?

I think I know this one. I think I know this one.

Speech, speech, speech, speech, speech. It's so much harder when the something you say happens to sound like an actual word speech, if it's one word, you know, I think it's I think it's two words and I think it's a ton of syllables speech. This is one I would say it's specious, but I don't think, you know, that would. I thought it was your word. Speech impediment is what I call Mike. Mike thinks it's one word.

One word. Well, Mike knows it's Mike knows just one word.

Anything you want to pantomime, Chris, because you feel pity for John Amaechi. Oh, look in the center box there, see if I'm watching now we're playing charades, it's great for a podcast.

Now we're playing Frescobaldi. What are you doing? Just tell us what you're doing. Go ahead.

He's doing he's turning to his left and it looks like he's like, well, you know, that thing like with the meme thing, like the smiley face thing with the person.

And then the voice is like like that's the speech.

I just go ahead. Terrible clue, but so to speak, I mean, speaker. Terrible. OK, yeah.

I don't like this new evolution where he's just getting it out.

Yes. So he said straight man is so what are we congratulate you basically telling right. 2.0 with a lot of cheating involved. Let's speaker let's hear the let's hear the fifth one without Chris giving cheating. Lots of good stuff. No.

You know what? Let's allow Chris to cheat here. All right. I would love to see how Chris can pantomime this word every.

Wait a minute, Billy. Why did you want to get in here?

Well, it's not even just cheating because he's not even cheating at charades, at cheating at this game, because he's talking and charades.

You can't even talk about him because you have. That'll be enough from you. Excellent. All right. Let's hear the rest of this again. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. The repeating, it's actually not as helpful as well.

Just give us a guess so we could be done with that. Let's go. Let's go. Give us you guys. We got to get out of here.

I've ever, ever, ever. Come on.

You're not going to tell everybody. I don't know everybody. Everybody is what he's guessing. It was of of. Yes, it was. Oh, longest syllable in the world. That was right. You've outdone yourself. Let's go. I will be ready. I will be ready.

I got I got the best one for last. This is game seven. I is the money ball. You get this right. You win the whole. Wait a minute.

There have only been five played and I thought we were going to go best of seven. We're up three to hear. What we're saying is if Mitch gets this one game over, he wins. OK, this is a money ball. This is a win. This is for all the marbles.

You're good with that, Mike. I'm at seven. OK, so maybe I did. All right. So let's play this anyway. Let's say you've already lost is what you're saying. It's already done. But you know what? I'll make an exception if you can crack this. All right. So this is the Moneyball message. If you can get this, you win the game chanukkah.

Oh, that's a good one. Chanukkah is a good one. You look so good. You look good. No, you got me chanukkah.

You got this is a me money situation, Tanaka.

I love I love that Miach does not seem to know at all what this is chanukkah. Me just very busy being like a knight in Britain or whatever it is his status is. And he does not get to, to hear everything that happens on this show.

I have no I genuinely have no idea what this is. That is Maluka that is Smokey Robinson Chooka.

And what he is saying is the word chanukkah Honaker.

I mean I just had to choose. It's worth losing. Chaloupka.

Oh yes. Oh yes. We should all celebrate Chaloupka Taluka.