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This is the down labor part, sure, we've still got Sparkasse. Welcome, everybody, to our one, we're having a production meeting right now, and I was just telling the guys that I think some valid criticism from the first week is that it was very self-involved. I will say in our defense, Alawi's that it was a big week for us. A lot was going on and it was obviously super political given what happened. No one could have seen that coming.

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Oh, well, maybe a lot of you could have seen that coming. And we haven't been you know, the hours haven't been diversified. They've been singularly focused. And I think we're really at our best when we have a lot of different things thrown out at you within a singular hour. And I'm ashamed to admit this, but probably more sports. Yes.

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Well, no, wait a minute. This is what just happened during the break. And so I'm going to need some help here because what do you guys think? I am not comfortable with two things here. How self-involved the show has become to the detriment of being able to involve the shipping container in the kinds of segments that people like the most. Because no matter how much we bring you, Aaron Rodgers and everybody else, the segments that people like is when we're in the sandbox throwing shit at each other.

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And we've moved away from that because a, our entire workflow has changed. B, we were helped by clocks and commercials and got used to that over eight years so we could keep a show coming up. See, this is total freedom. It is something that we're figuring out on the fly. There was no break for us. We went from one day. We were on ESPN. The next day we were here. And now there are no rules.

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There are no governors. Mike's doing some engineering over here. We have to hire a bunch of people. I have to walk out to negotiate something. And the whole thing is spinning. And we're just sort of cycling through on a factory conveyor belt 40 minutes at a time. Here's this guest. Here's this guest where before we would have had more discipline of wanting twelve minutes with a guest or fourteen minutes with a guest. And then it became because of all the commercials, four minutes with a guest and there was no point of even putting it on terrestrial radio anymore.

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I'm enjoying the guest features that we have where Adam Lefko is in confined to just twelve minutes with us, where he can take part in the free flowing conversations. What we've always aspired to wait. We get to have Aaron Rodgers for thirty three uninterrupted minutes.

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That doesn't have to stop. But we've seen the rankings. People really respond to the guests free segments. Do they respond to all the segments? Let me get that perfectly clear. It just so happens that the most downloaded segments tend to be the ones that are just general banter. We should diversify that banter. We should probably ease up on the thanking people. They just want us to get into show.

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I think I know what it is that we need to get us back on track. And if you want maybe set a timer so that fifteen minutes from now we can do it, we'll build it up, tease a little bit. What's it called, T.S.A.? TSL, build some of that up a little bit. I guess that doesn't work on podcast, but in fifteen minutes I said no, I think we need to do Chris, set your alarm, go around the room and all of us say what's for lunch.

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Perfect.

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You just say this is what's missing. We're back. Exactly what has been missing. Thank you, Billy. I appreciate you coming in to the rescue and being a real glue guy in this situation.

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I actually think I don't know the specifics of the contract and we may have lost what's for lunch. But Pivot, what's for brunch?

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I don't think that's too close to the other stuff and a different lettuce. You're good. You're a hero today. OK, thank you for all your good work. I appreciate you keeping it together for us. The thing that has been self-involved has been yes, we are lost at sea. Ahoy mate. We are lost at sea and you can all see it. And we right now are making an enormous amount of content. None of us are sleeping very much.

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Stuart is careening out of control. Got this Great Neck Kirtzman grabbing at money, failing to do cameos. And so we're we're a bit of a mess. We're spilling into here on very little sleep. I drank one day last week. I was drinking at nine o'clock in the morning. So it's been a little unhinged. This is sort of like freedom. We're snorting freedom a little bit. I mean, Mike, me smoking weed and doing mushrooms with Chris Long.

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I didn't have you doing that, by the way. Are you going on Chris? Long show. We're making a lot of acid.

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People make news amino acid, do something. You've got to start paying back some of these favors.

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But I can't give interviews right now is what's happening. I don't know. We have we just don't trust you giving interviews. Well, that's the thing.

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I can't that correct. If you want to talk to me, go ahead. I can't give it up for me to do him. If you want to know, I want to join. You gotta go for it. No, I know nothing unless you've got to know him three times yesterday.

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I'm answering a number. Three times yesterday. Hello. Yes, I'm such and such news outlet. I want to ask you questions and I'm like, I don't know anything. I don't want to say anything. I don't know anything. We're just starting. We're not left leaning. We're not mean. We're just starting. Leave us alone.

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Then they call me and they say, Can you get Dad for us? Right. And so we got to be careful. No where we were flattered we're going to now. I mean, we're. To do the late night circuit because means the gods are being requested to be on Charles Barkley's podcast, we're now we're now rebellious guests, the the common Whiley.

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That's not quite the late night circuit, but I get it. Yeah. All right. Well, it's not at all the late night circuit. Does he have a podcast? They want to take circuit. Charles Barkley, they want to tape it at 2:00 in the afternoon. I mean, but as late night. Yeah.

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So we're not supposed to be flattered. Like if Jimmy Fallon invited us on. We've never been invited to Charles Barkley has never invited us to guest on anything he's doing.

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No. This is a podcast that he and that he and Ernie do. And they have they have invited us on to that podcast. Yes. I'm surprised we haven't been invited onto, like, Kimmel or something. To be honest with it. It's always been a dream of mine to be on one of those shows.

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I feel like you got you would crush that. You would crush it like I would I do.

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My guess would be, though, that whatever it is we're building, even though I haven't talked to anybody about it, we'll have that kind of I mean, it's its own media companies do not like it. I'm assuming the things that can be called in if we're the number one sports podcast in America or a comedy team that's been working together across twenty years where a, you know, a spoof of a sports show here, our late night guests. And which show would we be on?

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Would be Cordin? Would it be Seth Meyers? Does that can I be called. Gordon is late late nights.

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He could be The Carson Daily Show. Yeah. Or Seth Meyers. Seth Meyers is the ceiling for you guys.

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And it'd be on Zoom, right. We wouldn't even be allowed to be there. Right. It's not even a comedy circuit or it's not a late night circuit. It's just they we'd call in on Zoome. Yeah. Yeah. What happened with you and Cameo.

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Like what? What is the real story.

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Why why are the listeners mad at you and how much money have you cost yourself.

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I've cost myself a good deal of money. Thousands of dollars. Yes. Yeah. I've cost myself, I'd say probably thousands of dollars. I'm OK with that. Listen, let me just say this, OK? For the people's cameos that I did not do, I am truly sorry. Now I will tell you that these are facts. I did not do 70 cameos, OK, 70. And of those 70, there were a handful of them I was going to do anyway because some of the requests you got, you guys are animals.

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And I'm not going to say some of the things you're asking me to say when I'm ready to start exposing the things that you asked me to do, vile things.

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So people I think it might actually we should shame the listener that waste fagots if you have not there. And in trying to be kind to the audience, you're saying the audience has been requesting of you things that not unspeakable things that you will not repeat because you will not cheapen our brand that way, even as you cheapen our brand by being so on brand that people are mad at you now for grabbing at money that you haven't actually grabbed.

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There are people who have a right to be upset with me. I apologize to those people. I have made arrangements for those people to get their money back because they don't know how to get their own money back. So I care more about your money than you care about your own money. OK, I called Cameo and I said, I don't care that I'm doing them for free. You're going to give these people your money back. They laughed at me and said they have the option of getting their money back.

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What are you talking about? Like the other caveat, let me get you on the phone. He's like, if they use the app, they have an option of getting paid back through Apple. If they use another computer, they just get their money back. It's how does where does it excuse it? Because people wanted the videos and they wanted it, you know, in a certain time frame. And I apologize to those people. So what I have done is I totally botched it.

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I made a mess. But this is why. But I've gotten their money back and I will you let me finish and I've done them for free. OK, but I will tell you. Seventy you people who went on Reddit and claim that you purchased a cameo from me and never purchased the thing, I'm going to expose you. I'm telling you right now, I'm going to expose I just want to be exposed to all of you. So. No, you're not.

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Oh, yes. Maybe you find it easier to record a video than to do all that research. I'm not going to do that.

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You've cut it down to 70 from three hundred because Reddit had an extensive list.

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I what Reddit says, I have the cameo report and the cameo report says seventy now of those seventy fifteen to twenty not Dota. You guys asked for foul stuff. I'll expose you. I'll tell you right now. I will put your request on Twitter if you guys don't shut the hell up. I'm telling you, I read it. Stop lying to dad and my know it was seventeen people, not three hundred. Now I have the report. All right.

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Hold on to God. And I did them all for free. So I want the audience to know this because this is the gods and I work what you did.

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Hold on. Hold on. I'm mad at them. I am mad. And you're mad at our listeners. Our listeners are mad at you. That's not the spirit of what we were trying to do.

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No, no, no. I mean, I am mad at thirty people.

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OK, that is it. OK, but I love for example, I love so far watching Chris and Billy do improv. Roy stay totally in straight man character and they're. Doing little bits of show for the audience in ways that require effort in ways Greg Coatis making all of these about himself and not pouring creativity into him and being exactly who Greg Cody is. But Chris is trying I saw him do two minutes of improv that had me smiling because he was just making fun of Matt with one T and and Billy is an uproarious Billy's wearing his fans.

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I watch Billy's just to entertain my feeling.

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Billy good at it.

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It's great. Billy, you're going from tree to tree. You're going from tree to tree, pointing out how different they were when they were different. Yes, totally deadpan.

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So it's so good because he can put little effort in and it's like not little effort because he rambles forever, but like, he's he's doing it so dry that it looks like he's not putting any effort in.

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But he's I crack-up, he's really good at it and structured so from within that you and I were fighting yesterday and we don't fight very often. Stuart and I love each other and we understand each other and we understand that these partnerships are delicate. And it's been a goddamn miracle that we've survived 20 years of them together with all the shit that there is in this business. And so so we fought about and my timing was bad on this. But what and what ended up happening yesterday is in my inbox were some complaints.

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I was not on a Reddit or anywhere else. A complaint landed at my AOL address with somebody who was like hurt. Right. They were hurt and angry and reaching out to me directly through my old ass AOL. And and there were they were saying, hey, look, I wanted to do this for my wife and I. And that person reported like and I love you guys and I want to be around what you're doing and stuff. And then I found myself getting hurt.

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And then I found myself sleeping next to my wife, angry because I was trying to get her a gift through to God. That would have been funny. And during the pandemic, we haven't gotten to enjoy anything. And so I asked that person for their telephone number and I sent them a video and then in sending them a video of me just trying to do the character because I'm not doing cameos with terrible timing on my part. I got a message saying, hey, look, we we got to be careful with this because I've had to handle this today.

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And some people are mad. And I guess they were also doing that on the Reddit. But it's not because of the Reddit, just because of that interaction that I had with that fan that I was trying to add.

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I understand that I was going through some stuff yesterday, some personal stuff that was very stressful. And so the timing wasn't great. But still, I understand why. Because you care. But I care, too. And I care about our audience. I am. I think I said this to you and I care about money, but I said this to you. I think yesterday at some point I am everything that Dan says. I am on a regular basis.

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I have never shied away from it. I'm greedy, I'm selfish, I'm thoughtless. Sometimes I'm not well organized. I don't plan things out. I'm starting like I'm trying to get to know Cameo bit in a way that I could do this a little bit better. Like when you asked me for a studio request, a studio tour, and that request expires at midnight last night. I have to leave you a message to tell you, hey, I'll record the studio tour tomorrow.

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I can't do it today. So I have to get my timing down on some of that stuff as I try to navigate here through Kamela. But yesterday, the the timing the timing was was bad, but it's on me. And what I said to me was, I care about this audience. I am all those things, but not as it relates to this audience audience. I would do these for free. In fact, I let some of them expire.

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No one's going to believe me. And I've earned this. I would let some expire because there was no time stamp on them. It wasn't a birthday. It wasn't because I felt I felt like it would be nice to do something free for some of the members of you guys not believe him, but no one's going to believe me.

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I know you guys stop here because there was no time.

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There's a reason why you're free as opposed to taking money for the reason you don't believe me, because I just totally lied.

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I think you think I'm an idiot this week. I am an idiot. I felt so bad about. I felt so I can't be stuck on this board.

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He was telling us to our faces for four straight shows last week. I'll get to him. I listen to me. I don't want you to be my boss. You don't want to be my boss. I just. I just. I just want you to trust me and know that I'm thinking about this. It's hard. It's hard, but I trust you. I left. You know, for you, that part is fair. That part of it is fair.

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But just a little trust back by way that hey, stigmatises actually he's forty eight. I've taught him a lot. He's gotten a little bit better that perhaps I'm doing so much I don't need to do a show. And that's the other thing. Where's the other thing. I mean it's like the cameo police. Here's the thing. You and Mike. I don't understand Mike. He's right. You know, the scene cameo stands were cops. It's he's really mad about this.

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Mike and I caught the brunt of it last night, and I. I hate when I hurts to God, I really do it just because so little hurts him and he's been taking a beating for 20 years around here on the wrong side of unfairness, like so little hurts him.

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And so when he gets hurt, I've been rewarded for it. But when he gets hurt, like I felt, you guys are arguing all my points because he's trust me, don't trust me. And he's earned every bit of the skepticism. But in the middle of negotiations, I felt pretty shitty last night because we're all trying to figure this out at the same time. And all of this shit's moving way too fast.

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I want to try to God on him saying that he's going to make it up to people. I just don't have anything in the way of proof that he is, which is as long as you make it up to people. I'm fine. I know you got stuff going on in your life. I know you're aggressively lazy and I know you had no idea what you got yourself into. But we need to make it up for these people because there's a fine line between being on brand being Kubuntu God's and it's good fodder for the show.

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If you occasionally it screws up, I then straight up ripping people off. I agree. So, Mike, no one was ripped off them so. Well, no, it is a rip off if you get in early because you're such a big shoegaze fan and you pay thirty nine. Ninety nine. Right. You're forced to God to video. It lapses. I get my credit back. Not actual cash value. You get credit. No, no, no.

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I heard you say the iPhone people have to jump through hoops. It's cool that Karmiel has other people to do it. But the baseline to get my money back is it's not easy. All right. I get credit. I get thirty nine. Ninety nine. OK, then I just tries to gods again. Now Sucrets is one hundred and fifty dollars. You're right Chris. Yeah.

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And I am punished for being such a supporter of Sucrets. His venture. He didn't even do it. And now I'm priced out. Right.

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And I should have pivoted that way where I'm trying to get more money for Chris, Roy and Billy. So. But here's the deal, Mike.

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OK, I caught your right and there are probably three or four where I genuinely feel bad that I did not get them done because, I mean, man, did they tug at my heart strings and I will get it done and they will be super special, I'm telling you right now, except for the foul ones.

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And I'm going to expose all of you. I'm serious. OK, how dare you ask me to say some of the things you're asking me to say? I have teenage daughters. Are you kidding me?

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I mean, someone wanted me to show my butthole is bleached, but I mean, seriously, I am going to do the ones that I missed that I want to do within reason, OK?

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The ones that I have agreed to do, I will do those all for free. I've already started to do some of that.

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Okay, we get through it, you get through the party room, you live your own life. I'm laughing that no, that it's like when I make a bet with you what I control the outcome. I made a bet with Candy. I control the outcome.

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I lost the money and I bet you 500 dollars you weren't going to fulfill these ask. And I'm never getting paid.

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Listen, I am going to do them for free. And I called Camiel myself and I said, if it's too confusing for them to get their money back on the app, you're going to give them their money back or I am going to stop doing Kimia. And that was a lie. But it works.

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So you called this amorphous thing cameo. There's just a number and it's Kamia. I called Kadison. All right. Tell me he answers his phone. Word up.

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Caterson was on the hour after hour. Oh, my God. I feel bad for. I think you're going to get Kadison in trouble. No, Kadison. He laughed at me. Mike, I called. I said, give these people their money back. He said anything for you in the shop.

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I'm Cambio. I hear that Kadison interview. I'm like, stop talking. Stop revealing this stuff about Ben Gordon. You don't have to name names. What? Don't crack open a beer during this. That's a bad idea. And it immediately goes off the radar. A minute.

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Hold on, Cameo. Can we just be honest about what is happening here?

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Because the the tension between me and Stewart and me and corporate has been for a while, you know, that means what does it mean? Yeah. What's for brunch? Oh, nice.

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Thank God.

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I wanted to talk about the cheapening of the show. I love this. Governor, do we have a spontaneous way to focus on Cameo? All right. So what's for brunch down?

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It was focused on Cameo, but it's also letting people see inside on negotiations. Intense nights. Yeah, all of us fighting over money is sick of it.

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You've done it for long enough. We all got it. He's sorry he lied again and we're good.

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Yeah, but I fixed it and that's what I did. You're right. But what I'm telling you is I just want people to process this. I currently don't have a job or contract. I haven't signed anything. I'm not making money cameos my only source of income. And I am failing to do all of that.

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I don't know how you bought that. And I know we're drafting spot that showed up on supertight. Well, let's see.

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Here's one of the problems, though, and this is the tricky part, right? Stukas right now, this big left leaning company of ours. Porchlight, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you in this startup as it gloriously rises, soaring toward the sun, toward riches and fame to our sales department.

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There it is right there. That is what he is busy doing. The reason he is grabbing it money, but he's grabbing it more money and he's grabbing for the container. But he totally botched the cameo. But it's because we keep going to him and he's too busy in big fish sales and he's sailing beyond these people with their thirty nine dollar cheapening of cameo. Let's just look into your private life. Let's just tell each other little bits of the show until it is symbolically and actually sold out.

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Just quickly, Mike Kadison, biggest problem, his first mistake and really is only a mistake thus far because what I did call him, he got it fixed and got it fixed quickly and he will get these people's money back is setting me a 30 999 because I told him, man, so many, you're going to come in at thirty. I not there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up.

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So where is the problem at the Stuart stage of grief where you blame others? Yes. Now, well, listen, it's like a caddy, Mike, when you're on the eleventh hole of Parkland Golf and Country Club and the caddy tells you to use a nine iron, you end up using a driver and pedantically and you're right in the hole. Exactly right. Kadison made a mistake and I said, listen, I will afford you one mistake and that's it, OK?

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And your mistake was that you gave me you gave me a nine iron when I needed a drive.

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There was this great set. There was this great story, that terrible caddy that Addison told on Lauer after hours, because I was listening back to it to get some insight on what on what this was and to see how bad the original sin was. By the way, what is for brunch? All right.

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We'll get to that in a second. Can we get them some help on getting enough likes and read tweets to get whatever it is that they're looking for? I'd like to encourage a podcast about the show.

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Our after hours doesn't seem to need our help. It's it's perennially in the top 50. It's a podcast. So we're a show about a show. That show is about a show. About a show. It's a podcast that's devoted to us and we thank them for their support. But Addison from Kamir, which is a good get and great thought out of them to actually Bookham, joined them on there. And I think the funniest, most Strugatsky part of it is, thank God Addison didn't name this fan of our show, but you know how two guys is running this pyramid a little bit.

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He has built under his own brother.

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It all feels like a cheapening like it feels in some ways perfect for our show and what it is and the tension between journalistic straight man and a guy who's actually wanted freedom more than me, son of Cuban exiles all his life, because now he's the sales department.

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Yeah. He's making money know to have anybody. He's always had freedom.

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Sears Department and double entendre. You know how to run a rig there.

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IRIG So Cazaly's pirate sales and yeah, that's what I was doing.

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So he gets some money from Billy, which we've established is great. A cameo. He gets money from like Chris, all the all the stuff that they do. You get a chunk of that money. It's a referral system. Camiel themselves said this on this podcast. You guys, I see you shaking your head, right? There was an interaction. We're just a fan of the show somehow found Sucrets referral code. And Addison uses the generic name of Marc Jacobs who happens just happens to be like a world famous designer.

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So whatever this person is not famous, has no reason being a celebrity cameo endorser, but says he's part of Sucrets umbrella and Addison is still learning our show. So he takes him for his word and he approaches to guts. Totally generic name Marc Jacobs. Hey, I'm getting approached by this Marc Jacobs. He says he's part of the show and he's he's part of your referrals, buddy. He might be. He might be. I don't know.

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But there's a chance. Yeah. Take the money. Yeah. Oh, no.

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Oh, no. God, we can't cheapen it so much that we're going to welcome actual investigations. Billy, your face is in your hands because do you realize the number of people that you have sent, you've got now like this money laundering system that you're running through cameo at the back end of it, because you're reckless and you're our sales department. You like your botched the whole thing and they're just thousands of dollars on the table. And now you're making money because you're running a mafia scheme where every time Billy makes a three minute video that he's pouring himself into in costume and design, you're getting a cut.

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My goal with Cameo is I'll never have to send another cameo again.

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I mean, before you have sent any. Isn't that the dream? I mean, just make money off of other people. Billy, where are we with this?

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Part of my conversations before registering and my very short negotiations was just give Roy my referral. I will be Roy's referral. Let Roy be the one who referred me. So Roy is benefiting because I was partially afraid of something like this happening where I would be implicated in whatever it is it's two guys is going on. So I'm like, that's good. I was referred by. Roy, Roy, Roy, were you moved by that? That's a touching moment, you and Billy, that that speaks to a financial warmth I did not have growing in your relationship.

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Yes, I am deeply moved. I did that. And it's a lot of money that came my way.

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So I really appreciate that. I was trying to protect myself also at a lot of my capabilities way too. But you're crushing it.

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You've got your own little platform. It's basically Billy TV. Chris is chasing you down because I love it. Makes me smile every time I see Chris because he just from the moment the camera starts, he is just such an oaf.

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It's like the whole it's a lot of energy to man and he's this cameo thing. But I'm a little more than I can chew, man. I wasn't expecting it to be this difficult.

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It's what I mean, I'm making a case.

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How is it been difficult for you to to explain to me you haven't done anything other sitting around waiting for Billy and Roy and Chris and some stranger now?

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I mean, Alhassan, they shoot their cameos of that money to get to my account. I mean, it's stressful.

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It's hard. How do we get this under control? Because this is by telling the people what's for brunch.

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OK, what is for brunch? Billy, why did you want us to take that segment? Look, I can't believe this. This is the God's honest truth here just to let people totally behind the curtain. My grind is serious. He actually seriously, we're a week out from ESPN and with no sense of irony, none. Even though he has a sense of humor. You know what? Producer guy in the middle of spinning plates, because all he's doing all show is talking to engineers.

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You know what he has the audacity to say to me? The audacity after what we just did, corporate Michael ever here for you? Because now we have no governors and you hate us already after eight free days because we're not doing the show you were used to eight days ago because we're totally unhinged. All of a sudden I'm a CEO and you can tell I'm in bed with a snake and he's our sales department. Like, this is not a left leaning company.

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It's just a pirate ship mess, floating, floating. You can't come in here and say to me, like you just did ten more sports, like, get the fuck out of my life, dude. Like, what do you mean more sports? But that can't be what it is for me. Seven or eight days in where you're now you're the executive branch. Now that's all we've got here. We don't have there's no one to run. There's no one above Mike on content.

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He's editorial like you and Andy's engineering mike is editorial and engineering. I still got to sales. Billy is Cameo Impro. This is the worst personal assistant you've ever seen.

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Thank you.

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I believe you add all this up because of Chris, Chris, Chris, you have not done one thing for me as my personal assistant other than in my ESPN run.

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You said you're hemorrhaging money. I've been crushing it on Cameo Hundy.

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My you Mike. How can it possibly be? Look, I'll talk nuts if you want me to. I thought we did enough of that with the mean and I will get it. I will get away from the self involvement and we will get back to the show. You're more used to if indeed you're spending a lot of time complaining because we're letting you a little too far inside. Maybe, but all of this is real is the point. We are really we're in the middle of all of this.

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Our nights filled with, like, arguments about this kind of stupidity and, you know, not wanting to cheapening this. Like we don't want to cheapen it. We want this to be the cool thing that becomes the underdog, even though you guys think it's the cool thing. But so we'll stay out here doing this way for a while. But it's a little to lose. I've done too much politics, but at this time in America, like, come on, guys, I mean, no, you should absolutely be afforded that.

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And the fact that this is a new thing for us, you should be afforded to be more self-involved. But the category when you look at the podcast, we're we're number one on is sports. And on average, if I could be kind maybe one of the five episodes we put out per day on this day, Libertador show with two gods has to do with sports and you can mix it in a little bit more than we have. Yes, you did great.

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James Harden isn't going to get traded every day, though. Dan, we need to be able to give people a diverse portfolio, be able to talk Camiel and tell people what's for brunch.

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And I think the one of the issues is there's a lot of people who joined us when we started at ESPN for the people who were with us before ESPN. What we're doing now is not a problem for the people who join us. When we started at ESPN and they grew to love us, this what we're doing right now is something they've never heard before. This was the show before we got to ESPN.

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It was very self-involved, for better or for well, but and and this is the part I know at the risk of getting yet more self-involved, OK, because I do want to explain more and more of the bits to you. I want you guys. I really do think that when some of you hear what we were doing in the shadows with Tim Journals and Shane Bacolod and we explain the joke to you that was happening in the shadows, now that you've seen everything that's happened since then to liberate us into this free world.

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Mike, when are you releasing what can we tell people? Because we've done this swiftly. For a while, we will get the discipline back of having these segments be tighter, not squandering and not so one subject and not so self-involved, but this is my life at the moment. There's nothing else I'm thinking about right now at any waking moment in the day, which is how I heard stigmatises feelings yesterday than myself. And this thing like because because we've got a lot going on and we're super excited, but this is a unstable time for all of us.

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There was real tension yesterday. Like, this is real and we're just playing it out on air. I just my hope was and it's we're not going to get there and it's fine is that Dan just knows that that I care about this audience the same way that Dan cares about this audience. And if I f something up and I did, I'm going to try to clean it up once I have some time to try and clean it up. And yesterday I didn't have that.

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We've done a variation of that 17 times here. Dan was going into something different.

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So to answer your question, pancakes with coconut infused maple syrup, I can't do this kind of disciplined, undisciplined stuff where there are no clocks and we're just wandering around with the freedom and we're drinking tequila and Strugatsky taking sales calls. And you're talking to a guy in a miner's helmet and now you're trying to make us a television network. And you're being very much corporate, Michael, right now. And I don't want to turn you into the enemy, but now you're the guy who studies all the podcasts.

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No, you're digital. You're shooting us into the future.

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You're talking you're talking the executive language. And you're our executive board, our editorial board. Our fan base is super passionate.

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I'm not going to thank them. We've done that plenty. But this is a very strange podcast. We have an insane output to be a popular podcast, just the same way that Joe Rogan is insane for putting out a three and a half hour episode. But that's one standalone episode. We require a lot of your time. So we should be able to reward people by giving them diverse because they're insane. Our fans, they listen to everything we put out and there's a lot of new people aboard that are familiarising in supporting the Levitating Friends Network, which is our three side projects that will grow as well.

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That will get better. Quality will get better. South Beach sessions will get better. Mystery Great is something that I know by the numbers is third place amongst those properties and not a lot of people because it wasn't the perceived height of the pandemic. Got to listen or get what we were doing with this character played by someone from Hollywood, Tim Journo's, Tim Journo's was a rib on everything that was going on at the time.

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This is the most fun I had at any point during the pandemic, making anything.

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We were in that condo in your apartment building and we were it was awful.

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It was a sad condo, wrestling, wrestling on the television network on 24 Gerdy it felt no that time in our lives it had a smell.

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We couldn't get a microphone there. We had to wait ten days for someone like the biggest sports radio show in I was holding a man.

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It's insane that I was holding up. This feels like it was my years. I was in time all the time. I'll look back on it like it had. It would have a wafting smell. When you walked in, there was exposed concrete. There was dick confetti all over the floor.

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I missed it. Yes, but yeah, it was a bathroom.

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And so they were doing these tapes inside time.

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And it's the most fun that I had. I'm a newlywed during the pandemic was making magic with some Hollywood people as a just the mike. I won't say that no one got the joke, but it was a dirty whispered secret and want to take people really behind the scenes. I haven't asked Mike why he made this decision. I wanted this to run on ESPN Radio and I wanted it to run as a stand alone no explanation spoof.

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That was a famous Hollywood person inventing a persona of a strength coach at a at a nowhere college that was out of southeast Tulsa College and doing bad things during the pandemic because football is all important.

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And this character, I thought was uproariously funny.

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Stewart's mute yourself. What would happen? Mute yourself. Sorry. Sorry.

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Are you sold with the MacBook is a curveball. You still have a muted yourself. I did know you're not. I see you. You're not. I am old now. It's muted. You're sound good. I usually stop encouraging a muted muted. I just muted you. I was muted. No you barely saw. I was reading. It's a mute. It said mute on my screen. My God. Anyway I should probably stop explaining it.

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Mystery. Great. We're going to take you behind the bit and we've compiled all the time GERN segments. It's going to be a jam packed episode of Mystery.

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Great, because it's going to be a little bit of why didn't you Eridani as Paul explain on Mystery Xrayed as we go behind the bit and avoid being redundant, got what's for brunch?

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Oh, I think I'm going to have a nice little omelet today. Bacon, cheddar, mushroom, tomato and diced. Onions, the key to a good omelet is not the stringy onions, if you like onions, it's diced minced onion.

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That is what we missed. That is what we miss, the discipline of every four minutes, getting to a place where we can tell you what we were having for lunch so we wouldn't have to make our own content.

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I'll tell you this, Michael. Also a little Urban Meyer news about to about the spring, OK?

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I don't know what I feel about this one. Go on. What kind of news?

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Urban Meyer, JAG's Collision Course, Ivano and London.

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I mean, number one overall pick tons of cap room. But Urban Meyer, that should flies in college. We'll see how it flies in the NFL.

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So that's the more sports that you want. That's that's what you're going for. The Jags have a new coach. I know it's been a turnstyles since Conklin's been there. Nothing matters. They almost beat the Patriots. Now, let's talk about his mirana coach. Does he only like baloney sandwiches? We're going to introduce you to coach after coach. And now this is the dude that's going to save it.

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That's actually not where I want to go. Dan, I want to go to Chris. What's for brunch?

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Guys, Thursday, the day where the diet of the week falls apart, it's a beautiful day, Chipotle, a burrito, that's what have you guys do this with the diets on Monday, clean Tuesdays you eat clean.

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Wednesdays, you fall off a little bit, but you're like, I'll be better tomorrow. And then Thursday, all the wheels fall off every week.

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Chris, you see to his teammates talking shit, what is up with that?

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Armando Salguero getting the good stuff they need to shut up. All right. He's going to be fine.

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Well, tell people the story for those that don't know what we're talking about.

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I mean, they just basically saying what the you know, the popular stuff as I as I fill and I scroll to that.

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Wait a minute. You don't know. So there you are. Oh, if it's our sports. Hold on.

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Hold on. Did that just happen to the off the person who says you just got he has to log on to find out.

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What does that mean. And we've got a code. Careful with that left. That's political. Wow.

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It's Whitney at the end. It's tricky. Mike, what is the story involving. Wait a minute. All right. So I got it. I got it. Oh, no, no, no, no.

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Just let's let's slow down, Chris. I want all of this left in because I thank you for being a terrible personal assistant and also just the AU who's bad at radio because what you just did there made everything fall apart. OK, Mike, explain both Armando Salguero and his feud with Parler.

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Explain to me why we're talking about him with Twitter. He loves parler. Explain to me what we're talking about, because I didn't know the story you were talking about either, but you threw it to Chris as a sports topic, as an executive wanting to get off the ground locally. Some expertise on dolphins talk because there's a little bit of a seismic story in the in the press that's starting to happen. And Chris had nothing. Chris had enough.

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I know Chris love is all over this story. And I at least thought he was because this is the dolphin talking point of the day. And I threw to him not only for brunch, but I kind of wanted to hear those two thoughts and I didn't have them.

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Chris threw it into the chat. That's yeah. Chris, like, when you tell us what the story is, are you still not know, even though you furiously started typing as if you were going to read and speak at the same time, then it's very simple.

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There were murmurs that the teet that people apparently anonymously talk to them on a sub girl. And they said that, you know, when they found out Fitzpatrick wasn't going to be around for that final game, they were nervous and they wanted they did not like they thought Ryan Fitzpatrick was the guy. That is what the teammates said.

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Can someone actually offer me an explanation on what this was? Yeah. So basically, Ahmedzai girl quoted anonymous players or he was saying that the defense in practice was so underwhelmed with TÜ that they were stunned that Floras went to Tua in the first place and then as the season went along, that they were not at all impressed. And as Chris said, one of Fitzpatrick not just as backup, but to start the final game against Buffalo.

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All right. They preferred Fitzpatrick. Oh, I wonder who said that. Chris. Chris, a guy who's never played in a playoff game. Hold on a second. Hold on a second.

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Because we're going straight to self involvement here. Exactly. That is correct. That is where I'm going to go there. What it was is what a professional broadcaster sounds like when following an oh, OK. I want to teach you people something here today because I think it's important. You were just introduced to a new producer, Chris Whittingham. He's a whole new department we've got over here who got to sales, Mike, his engineering editorial in something else.

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And Whittingham is a guy who knows things because when you ask Chris something, he's too busy doing cameos to know what it is that's going on on his beat with the dolphins. And so what just happened there? We were introduced to winning him. I remember this, OK, because we've had to go and summon every corner of our army, dude, every corner. These are guys I've known since high school. Hey, you want a job? I feel like, you know, Tony Montana talking to Ernie.

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Except, look, it's winning him instead of, you know, pimply faced Chris waiting.

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I'm eighteen years old, interning at at BLM University Miami, former play by Play Voice and co-host of a popular official Chelsea podcast that I think we can finally get know. We interview Olivier Giroud, the most handsome man on the planet, on that official Chelsea podcast, Chelsea miked up, available on Spotify and Apple podcast.

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All right, stop right there for a second. And I'm introducing the audience to Chris Winningham. The voice you just heard came into our life about fifteen years ago, maybe earlier. High school kid is good at broadcasting. Is anyone that I had seen come through 790 and just super polished, very good. And wanted to be a broadcaster. I mean, like a lot of the guys here, like Chris, who I've known since he's a kid and we've known him since he's a kid.

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And we've summoned a couple of people who we've known that way, who've been around our show, because you've noticed with our show, Angel Rustow hangs around the show. OK, you're hired. You like you want to go. Yeah. You got to excuse me. Do you like this? All right, you're hired.

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Well, people are going to start thinking if they just hang around the show, we might hope that's how it's happened that time. But everyone, I got a few takes. Hey, I got your number from Alex. Donna. Yeah, that's how it's happened, and so, Winningham, I remember being on a broadcast and afternoon radio and I think it was a VM call and that he did and it was so clean and crisp, but I couldn't believe a teenager would be that good on a call.

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He's excellent. I mean, just ahead of his years by a no. But now he just swooped in, though.

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And I think I'd prefer to talk to the other Chris now. And I'm sorry to do this to you, Chris Cody, but I mean, you're you blew the whole thing up for us. You're you're you know, he's an idea, man.

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It was his idea. Know, he's all information. He's also nepotism and and, you know, not being on Griffin.

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And he's not just a you know what? He's going to agree with this one more than any.

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He's a terrible, terrible personal assistant, like every bit as bad as you will managing along.

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And.

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And so I went to him and the show went to you in that crucial moment in your area of expertise, Chris and the other Chris swooped in and it felt to me like I was coming for your job. So now we've got a competitive ecosystem where the guy is stealing the camera personal assistant job like. Oh, yes. Well, I mean, how good would winning him be at that job? I got coffee for the first time in ten years, brought to me here the other day by winning him money and has plenty of jobs.

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I'm just saying he just brought in coffee. He didn't ask you. He just brought you coffee.

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WINNINGHAM have you and I have had a conversation about this being a left leaning company?

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I know it's a pirate ship. I, I handed Mike a piece of paper with pirate terms. All right. Let me.

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That's all I've got. Let me explain something to you. Hold on. Let me explain something to you, Jerry.

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I have a camera for a minute. Yes. That is the time of the ball goatees usage rate.

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I mean, I see what chair he's sitting in. I hear those background. Laughs I like this one.

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Well, you couldn't come in. Didn't I offer that up to the group who would want to come in?

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And nobody I raised my hand. I wasn't selected. Yeah, Chris raises that. I did.

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OK, by the way, I'm having toast and eggs and sweet eyes, so that's as quick as it can happen around here where you get replaced. That's the egg. Wait a minute. I can upgrade all the time from the personal assistant. I presently have the winning him. Now I've got that kind of power. Oh my God. It's going to get competitive around here because waddingham explain this story to me. Even cleaner than you just did, please.

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And Chris, if you want to have an opinion, I'm going to give you some time formulated in the event that you want to make yourself valuable around here as it takes. Guy So what is your opinion to Whittingham? Who's going to give you the news report in the most professional radio broadcaster Ways and WINNINGHAM? Just throw Chris a question and let's see if we can get a good ad lib take out of it.

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So the Miami Herald's Armando Salguero wrote a column in which he was illustrating the lack of confidence in two otunga via in the Dolphins locker room. Defensively, they were not impressed in practice. Offensively, there were some players that he quoted anonymously as saying he wanted Ryan Fitzpatrick to start the final game against Buffalo. He had covid, so he was only available. He wasn't available and there would have been a preference. You have that safety valve should to a struggle in the game against Buffalo.

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So my question to you, Chris Cody, is do you think that the Dolphins should trade to a ton of ILUA and assortment of other picks for Deshaun Watson from the Houston Texans?

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I don't like this game. As he stammered a couple of times. He got a little nervous down there, right? Yeah, well, we put him on the spot. I'm playing this game now.

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This is what happened to winning a dangerous game. He came out strong and slick and polished. And then I put way, way too much pressure on him because this is the big show now. This is the small little shit show. It was when Winningham came into our lives. Fifteen years, I thought we were throwing stones at Chelsea miked up. No, and now they're big.

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They're big stars. They've got their own podcast. And this was a big get for you guys. You guys were excited and he was impossibly handsome because your hair is beautiful.

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And and and what was going to be one of the biggest guest Chelsea has gotten?

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We've had better check. And Ashley Cole, the guys that have like won Champions Leagues and LISICK and Christian Pulisic was IBL, Christian Pulisic, by the way, joining us on Chelsie miked up next month. He's gotten better at interviews here, so I'm excited about that. Oliviers, your route is. Thirty four years old. Zlatan with Zlatan Zoon in Syria and Italy right now is insane because all the injuries that he's had and at that age, he's still like he's considered the best player in Italy right now.

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He's even better than Renaldo. You have these guys like Ronaldo and Zlatan that are amazing in older age, but they've always been amazing. They've always been great. They've always been one of the three names that you rattle off at the top of your head when you're asked who's the best player in the world? Olivier Giroud is 34 years old and his whole reputation was he's a striker that doesn't score goals. How is France win in the World Cup with this guy up top?

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His job is to score goals. He's not scoring goals. He also happens to be the most handsome man on the planet.

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He is a beautiful man who you looked like you were longing. It was weird to see you. You. I've gotten better at interviews, you've enjoyed getting better interviews, some of these guys have intimidating presence. Well, some of them, George spoke to us in his eighth language. It's hard with soccer players. Olivier Cheroot is French. He's doing this interview in his second language. And it's hard to convey my brand of, hey, you're handsome, but you connected with them, you connected with him and with an undercurrent of you were hitting on him.

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Chris, is this how you experienced it? It felt like my Mike Ryan was flirting with the with the pretty, pretty soccer, devastatingly handsome.

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And he's probably more famous, even though he's turned into a really good soccer player. He's more famous probably for his looks. Yeah. He's like he's probably the only soccer player who exists to be looked at for their handsomeness. Like like it's secondary, his playing ability. He is just, oh, my God, the entire Internet is in love with.

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I thought that was Renaldo, though. Was Renaldo's always been excellent? Renaldo's always been like, OK, he's as great a football player as he is beautiful.

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Renaldo is the standard for impossibly handsome too.

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Well, Beckham was also but he was also considered a top ten in the world player. Olivier Giroud is not that he's Anna Kournikova because that's way too harsh, because Olivier Giroud has a good goalscoring record. But what happened in his mid 30s is now per minute. He's the best goal scorer in the Premier League at age thirty four. He's gone from not scoring in the World Cup that France won to scoring every time he takes the pitch. But he's of an age where Chelsea are in a difficult position because they're signing 22 year olds that are supposed to hold that down.

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And you can take them off the pitch because no one saw it coming at age thirty four. He'd be one of the most efficient goal scores in the league. That is all secondary to the fact that he is gorgeous.

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Yes, this is the thing that came out very strong. It felt it felt like an unusually homoerotic interview. Oh, have you seen this guy? Well, I've seen it, but I also I've never seen my quite this way. This is the thing that I saw in Mike Winningham. You witnessed it too, I believe, but disagree, if I'm wrong here, that Mike Ryan badly wanted this man to get his joke and find him charming.

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You could have left that sentence halfway. You hear that joke? Witty.

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Yes, Chris. Bruce.