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Here's your SportsCenter update, A's outfielder Ramone Laurino has been suspended six games at Astros, hitting coach Alex Sintra, 20 games for their roles in Sunday's benches clearing incident between the teams.

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Did you hear what Laurino said by way of apology? Stuart, now, I regret charging him because he's a loser.

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I'm not much in the way of an apology. I had not been a loser.

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I would not regret charging him. Did Sinja to accept the apology?

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Well, that guy that part is weird. The idea that a coach is in the dugout making fun of someone's mother, like that's what was reported there. And isn't that why he got how many games did he get? Twenty.

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Twenty games. Yeah. Yet what he gives a third of the season exactly. AJ Hinch got 60. He really turned that into a dub Yagiz DHEA Carlos instead and could rise up to a month with the hamstring injury that forced him to the injured list this past weekend. And finally, Disney Plus has revealed they are working on a three men and a baby remake starring Zac Efron. This is his first movie with Disney since the High School Musical trilogy wrapped up in 2008.

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And who could forget that trilogy, especially the first one? Was that good? If you like.

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Have you seen the latest report from the New York Post on ESPN's search for a Monday Night Football broadcasting team? Right now it's going to be Steve Levy, Louis Riddick and Brian Greasy. But did you see the report on from The New York Post on who ESPN made a run at?

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Not wasn't it Peyton Manning that ESPN made a run out?

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Yeah, well, they do that every year. Every year they make a run at Peyton Manning. But it was Sean McVay, really. Sean McVay. Hmm. A guy who is presently coaching, who is young. This is according to The New York Post. I don't know if it's true or not, but that is inspired thinking, right. Hey, we'll give you so much money that will get you out of coaching. It's an easier job.

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Now, Jon Gruden went the other way, right? He went from a very easy job in broadcasting to going back to the NFL and the grind. And most of these broadcasters who come from that sport will tell you that. Being close to the game after you've played it. Is something that hurts and so you get as close as you can in broadcasting to the field literally, but you're reminded at every turn that you're outside of the action. And so now, because everyone's vying for these football rights, because you would imagine that Amazon would try and get into that game as well.

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What's being elevated here is the broadcaster that people are going after because they want to give a sturdier product to the NFL that represents the NFL. So you've got promos everywhere as opposed to just Romo on CBS. And so you get a you know, a report like this where you're talking about getting an active coach who is young out of the game. And my guess is he would probably be pretty great at that job with that.

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Have you ever seen him breaking down football? He does this a lot for the Rams social media. He is an absolute natural. I think he's going to be coaching in the NFL for a very long time. He gives off Gruden vibes. He gives off passion for the sport. Informative, but not talking down to you. He is going to be excellent at that. I'm excited to watch Hard Knocks there featuring two teams this season. He's one of the teams and he's supposed to be a real star of it.

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Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting. They would have to mikveh. It's interesting that the dollars are enough where I'm assuming Mikveh at least has to consider that along with his agent and his family, Tony Romo has said recently that he loves broadcasting. He gets paid sibylla dollars the body. Does it hurt on Monday? I mean, so McVay is a coach. He's not a player. And I'm certain Tony Romo would not go back and do it all over again.

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But there is something, OK, I don't have to grind it out. And I can still make similar type dollars and only work that one night a week and a couple of days leading up to it, getting ready for the game, which wouldn't be a lot of prep work for a guy who was recently who was now coaching in the NFL. I mean that.

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Yeah, but it would be it would be a disaster. Public relations wise. You don't have your football coach fully committed to coaching the second they lose a divisional game. It's oh, the distraction.

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Like, I think you're taking a different I think they're getting him out of coaching.

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I don't think you think that they were trying to lure him. Yes, that's that's how I took that. Yes. Yes. I'm not taking that as they just want him on Mondays because that would be interesting to coach. Because he's not busy. No, I. I think that.

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Yeah, like, they wanted to take McVay away from the Rams and make him, you know, put him in the football booth.

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That's nutty. I think I prefer that job, especially if they pay me more. Well, here's the thing.

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This is what I've learned about coaches, because I would say to God for sure, the easier, better job is the broadcasting job. Like, you don't have to worry about that all year. Think about Jon Gruden was getting six and a half million dollars a year for basically sixteen dates, like 16 days. Now there's work that goes into it, but he's not sleeping on a couch at four o'clock in the morning, like for sure, without question for the dollar.

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The broadcasting job is the one that you want, especially given what's going on now where people are trying to make a splash because whatever seventeen eighteen dollars million is to give Romo and seems like a lot. It's a penny in the bucket that the NFL plays with in terms of money. And if they want broadcasters paid that way because they want bigger names associated with their sport, then you do that to please your rights holder because everybody wants to keep these NFL games on their televisions.

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They're the last thing that basically Netflix can't take from you. They can't take the live viewing experience of those games from you. Everything else on television is negotiable. You could watch it on demand.

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So I wonder where ESPN goes from here. That's it then. It's that's actually fascinating that they went after McVeigh, but I wonder where they go from here. Is it is it going to be Fowler and Herb Srinath is no college football. Do you go after one of these coaches, like I consider Jim Harbaugh right now, if I were ESPN, that would not be a terrible hire. He's got nothing to do.

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Perhaps, you know, that's that's actually a pretty good idea there. Stuart, I'm sorry to sound so surprised, but what would the NFL reaction be if Sean McVay potentially under this hypothetical were to walk away before his coaching prime after a Super Bowl appearance just two years ago to walk away from a marquee job to be a television commentator? Would the NFL prefer him being a commentator than the head coach, the young, vibrant head coach of all major networks?

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You know, he gets to do more. If he's framing every event for them by teaching people about football, he gets to have more power in terms of influence for the NFL as a broadcaster than as a coach. But the thing that I was going to tell you about what I've learned about coaches who got is. That they come often from playing backgrounds and when you come from playing backgrounds and then you become the coach, there's something empty about having less control over your results than you did as a player when you were taking care of your body and taking care of your team.

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And you're in the action more. A coach is in the weird position. It's why it can be such a miserable job of being a control freak while having very little of the actual control. Once the games start and the bounces start and you're sitting there, you've prepared and overprepared, overprepared, overprepared, and then something happens, somebody misses a block and everything that you plan doesn't matter how much you prepared. So the absence of control is something that they're always fighting against by doing things like Gruden and sleeping in the office, overworking.

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And it is such a miserable addiction who got so miserable that even though the other job is easier, they go back to go to coaching, to being on the sideline, to having, you know, control freaks who have very little control, just trying to get that control. It is to me, it's a fascinating study and sort of human happiness and human misery and how how distorted you have to be about challenges and competition to go back to that heroin addiction when the alternative is, hey, here's the same amount of money, you'll only have to work 16 Mondays.

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You want it? No, thanks. I want to sleep in my office on a couch at four o'clock in the morning because I want to see if I can get my eight and eight team to nine and seven like it is crazy.

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Can I please get the stat of the day music. Short version, shortest version.

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We've got a lot to get to the start of the day, start of the day in this year's state of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day in this year. Start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. And this year. Start of the day. Start of the day and start of the day. It is the start of the day. It's me short handed, horrible call. It's going to go after a review and the hurricanes can paralyze.

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Well, guess what? These hurricanes don't die. Short handed goal. We are we are live on playoff hockey. Alaina Gogi is also live. This is from Jeff Parson on baseball.

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He reports in his last six games, Charlie Blackmon is 17 for 23. That's a 739 average with two homers, eight RBI, 10 runs for walks, no strikeouts through 17 games. He is hitting 500. The major league average right now for batting average is 233, lower than even 1968. Charlie Blackmon is the only one doing anything in baseball in terms of batting average. He might hit 500 this season because the numbers don't matter.

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Only greed does a third of the way through the season. He's got to be the odds on favorite for MVP, you know. Yes. What we have to start following this the way that we did, like Wade Boggs hitting four hundred and Tony Gwynn, like will Charlie Blackman hit 500 this season I.

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And then what do we do? Yeah, well, let's just distort all the numbers. If you're going to make the only numbers matter being at the bank, like, let's just distort everything. Let's go. For somebody hitting five hundred this season, I think Bonds has to be the homerun king. Now, baseball has clearly told you they don't care about anything other than finishing a season. That's that's it.

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Chris, you've been saying for weeks now that you have an NBA fun fact. I don't know what this NBA fun fact is. I have a something between a withering and decaying feeling of confidence when it comes to you stepping to a microphone. So where are we right now?

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Somewhere on the spectrum between withering and decaying. I don't know where I put it, but it's it's teetering between both. What is the NBA fun fact that you alleged to have? I love a fun fact and do you love a fun fact, you seem like I know Stewart loves a fun fact, but I'm asking, do you love a fun fact? You're not helping my confidence in you right now by being chummy and doing a morning show banter, pregame show banter, trying to get some softness out of me, either be good or be gone, I just love fun.

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I don't care about the facts. I mean, just fun. I as well love a fun fact.

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Dan and a few games back, the Clippers had on the court at one point, all five players with. Two first names. Here they are. Hi, Leonard. Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on a second. Hold on. So you are saying that every person that they put on the court, all there were 10 first names on the court for your for your clippers is what you're alleging.

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That's right, Dad. All right. Here they are. All right.

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You've started with Kawhi. That's not anyone's first name except his butt, OK? Like, I don't know anyone else named Kawhi, but go, OK.

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When you're on your way.

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So you're arguing one of the first names here is not. Actually, I'm just saying Leonard is more of a first name than Kawhi. They're both first names, clearly.

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OK, very good. Put it on the pole, Tony. What's more of a first name, Leonard or Kawhi?

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Do you know someone with the last name Kawhi?

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I mean, I don't know the guys, but I am having fun so far with this segment. OK, so we have Kawhi Leonard. We have Paul. George, obviously. Patrick Beverley.

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Very sneaky one. This guy.

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This next guy. Yes. He's still in the league. Joakim Noah is the fourth guy on the court and the fifth guy, Marcus Morris. Wow.

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There it is inside man for it to be like Mo Harkless or something like that.

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Now you say to yourself, how rare is this. Chris and I did some digging through first names. Not as rare as we actually think. I started just going through sport. LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, Bryce Harper, Billy Gil, Mike Ryan, John Wiener. There are a lot of names out here. Yeah, well the first and the last names are first names.

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OK, yeah. John Weener. Good night everybody.

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Strugatsky had to cancel. He'll be back tomorrow. He had to cancel. We had a lot of success with him yesterday. He will be back tomorrow.

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OK, thank you for the update there. Perhaps Friday, maybe Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, right. At what point do we go in and ask for Chris Rock and Adam Sandler? Because that is your department, my friend. OK, I'm on it. I'll think about it. Here's your SportsCenter update. A's outfielder Ramone Laurentia has been suspended six games and Astros hitting coach Alex Sidrah 20 games for their roles in Sunday's Badgers clearing incident between the team's Yankees.

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DH Giancarlo Stanton could mess up to a month with the hamstring injury that forced him to the injured list this past weekend. And finally, there's no antidote for a blue ringed octopus by. However, if you can get to a ventilator to help you breathe and wait out the 15 hours of paralysis, your muscles will start working again and you'll survive, he says.

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Goodness. I think it's a good sentence right there.

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You can just withstand the 15 hours of paralysis. The first is to get through a ventilator.

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Yeah. Then wait out the 15 years of paralysis. Then the muscles will start working again.

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And then you'll survive. That's right, for all the latest headlines and information in the Sports Center at ESPN Radio all throughout the night. Chris Coady brought up a good point during one of the commercial breaks, again, being better off air than he is on air. He said, what don't you understand, Dan, about people getting fulfillment from their jobs? Like why wouldn't a job or a Jon Gruden choose football over the easier job of broadcasting because of the level of fulfillment that he gets from overcoming a bigger challenge?

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And it's a really good point. I would just submit to the entire audience, which do you prefer, easy money or hard earned money at Libertador Show? Put it put it on the pole. What do you prefer, easy money or hard earned money? Because I think we can all agree that Sean McVay doing the Monday Night Football job would be a vastly by leaps and bounds, easier job, less of a challenge than coaching NFL football. Is that appal?

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I'm not allowed to vote on.

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I'm just I assume that most people I get great fulfillment from my work. And I'm always told I know I've got great gratitude because I can't believe that we get to do the stupid thing where we get to create and they pay us money. So I get both things. I get the fulfillment and I get the money. And I understand why it is that people would always do got doctors, lawyers, they want jobs like that. They want that when they when they have their jobs, which are good in terms of pay and maybe in terms of helping people, they're like, oh man, I want that job in sports.

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I get to just talk like that. But I always assumed that the great majority of people listening to this right now don't enjoy their work. And so if I say making money at work. Do you want it to be easy money or do you want it to be maximum challenge hard? I get the priceless ness of fulfillment, but I thought the majority of the audience would prefer easy money.

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I think you're probably right. They would. The interesting thing about coaching, though, is it is in sports, it does come with a lot of dollars. It comes with a lot of pressure. But you can have the best of both worlds.

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Then you can get paid enjoyment and have fulfillment.

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I mean, you get out of all of that wrapped up into one as opposed to you're never going to get the fulfillment of calling a game that you will coaching a game and helping your team and coming up with something that helps your team win a game. I don't think you can replace that fulfillment.

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Understood. And you are correct because, coach, what coaches will tell you and players is that being at the center of all of that of the gladiator spectacle. Look, this is what we're coming back to if you see what's happening in America to get the games back out there so we can enjoy just the gladiator spectacle of this to distract us on what's going on in life. The people at the center of that wonderful competitive chaos will tell you that they get to feel a more heightened sense of alive than the rest of us.

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You don't jump up and down in many places in your life with emotional joy, even the happiest days of your life when you're crying because you've seen a child born, you're not jumping up and down, yelling at a television screen, you know, hugging your friends in a way that sports does. So, like, I get the portion of it, but the amount of work that you have to do in order to get to that, I thought that the American people here who like to think of themselves as hardworking, if I say to them, hey, here's ten thousand dollars, you can either work really hard for it or not work really hard for it, and you could work really hard for it.

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And this one will have more fulfillment if if you achieve what you're trying to achieve, because going forward, 12 in that league is a special kind of misery. Stewart's like, no doubt. Yes. Like that is like even even people like Shannahan wildly successful. My guest is his off season was total crap, like just like wake up in the morning and feel in your stomach something that's horribly sour because you were that close to the fulfillment. But six minutes from the fulfillment.

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Well, I must be honest. I mean, one of the guys we're talking about is Jon Gruden for, you know, a long time, he chose the easier path because Lord knows Gruden was offered coaching job just about every offseason. He was here doing Monday Night Football and he was probably offered better coaching jobs than the one they ended up taking with the Raiders and pass those down to continue to work one day a week. He was great at it.

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He was excellent at it. But the fulfillment that mean that much to him, that and that, clearly somewhere along the way, something changed and it probably had to do with ten million dollars and some ownership.

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Well, that yes. But they also are addicted to the challenges. Like there is something to be said if you're a competitive person, if you're a competition aholic, that you would go seeking the harder dollars because your entire construct as a warrior is sort of where are the challenges, how do I problem solve? And those things aren't available to you in a booth where you're just going, you know, wow, I love football.

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And here is, you know, the banana play or whatever it is that he calls spider when double banana, you know, a wise man once said, I never feel more alive than when they're taking the chips away.

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Was that Al Pacino's opportunity for the money I money you wouldn't be.

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Matthew McConaughey goes shirtless and pumps iron to get the perfect pick after he hits a cold streak.

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It's an unbelievable film and I live my life by that mantra.

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That's why right now what I have no choice but to, because they're taking the chips away constantly. What is the update right now that you have for us on Boston? Khalaji is still live. We're not at it, too. Right now. We're playing some forum for a hockey. Five minutes and 53 seconds left in the second period, a little brunch time playoff hockey.

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Danto I feel like we're going to be chasing this Carolina back the entire day. Oh, yeah. Especially if I. I'm going to feel mighty alive. There's a wire of a hockey team.

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God, we have. We have. And I don't know whether to do this now or tease it.

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OK, let me tease it, because you have heard before what we believe to be the cockiest thing that Stephen A. Smith has ever said. We play this sound all the time. And I want to play it for the audience now because I think Stephen Smith has just entered the arena and said something cockier than what we have identified as the cockiest thing ever said by him and the cockiest thing ever said by anybody.

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I have profound respect for the late Johnnie Cochran, God rest his soul. But if it might be the cockiest thing that I've ever said, Christopher Darden and Marcia Clark did an absolutely horrendous job as prosecutors, because if it were me, there's no way in hell Johnnie Cochran would have beaten me with that evidence today that they had. I'm telling you right now, I'm not even a lawyer. There is no way that you would have put 12 jurors in front of me with that evidence and I would have lost even a Johnnie Cochran.

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I don't want that drop.

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I've often said that the best two sentences in the history of the network are the cockiness and the swagger in those last two sentences that he said, but I love the sea, but I always see what I can say this.

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It might be the cockiest thing I've ever said because anyone else says that we know it might have another nominee, we've got another nominee.

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But before we do that, I just want to listen to that sound again. And what I want you to absorb, okay. Is not just the absurdity of the front end, but I want you to imagine, like straightening his jacket for the last two sentences as he sort of gets his confidence. One hundred per. They sent in a place where yours has never been, and he says flatly that he's often said that I have profound respect for the late Johnnie Cochran, God rest his soul.

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But if it might be the cockiest thing that I've ever said, Christopher Darden and Marcia Clark did an absolutely horrendous job as prosecutors, because if it were me, there's no way in hell Johnnie Cochran would have beaten me with that evidence today that they had. I'm telling you right now, I'm not even a. There is no way that you would have put 12 jurors in front of me with that evidence and I would have lost even to Johnnie Cochran. I don't want that drop I've got.

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All right. We're coming back next year with what might be a cockier statement that maybe I don't know for sure.

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All right, so we have to build up to this, Stephen, a quote, and I don't want to overpromise and under deliver, but we believe we have a nominee, at the very least, a competitor in the game for being the cockiest thing ever said by Stephen A. Smith. We'll get to it in a second. But let's update the polls first at Libertador Shows who got you up Twitter. Paul brought to you by three or three protectant. Three, three protectant and cleaners keep your car looking newer longer at Libertador Show on Twitter.

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I had to scroll over there. Do deflections mean so much more in overtime playoff hockey? Yes, they do. I mean, what a ridiculous question. Eighty seven percent of the audience said, yes, they mean everything.

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What's happening to seventy nine percent of our audience?

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Did you realize how much you've missed Kevin Harlan? I didn't do it. Sixty 66 percent of the audience said no good. Is anyone in 2020 using the word hunt to describe a handsome man? I did that early. What's our new guy, Mike Sergeant, who let's go, yeah, yeah, Cleveland Indians and some Cleveland Indians.

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Pitcher honkey. Yes.

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Seventy six percent of the audience said now do you know who Bert Sugar is?

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Stigmatises reference is my reference is getting older and older. We are falling rapidly out of the demo. Bert Sugar, the famous Boston boxing historian and writer. How many people don't know who he is?

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This is going to hurt and 70 percent of the audience said. We had. Funny your name for a boxing specialist, Bert Sugar, Larry Merchant, Harold Letterman, this got to be Letterman.

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It's your fault. Don't read any more of your get to this Stephen A. Smith quote before we get out of here, just save the rest of the polls for tomorrow, please. Let's give two members of the audience enough of this Stephen A. Smith quote. Here it is, ladies and gentlemen, from is it is it spoken or is it from Twitter is a tweet. He is responding to a tweet that says Stephen A. for president code emoji. Stephen A.

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sees that from his verified Twitter account. He read tweets with a comment, I'd run if I had the support. Although I'm no politician, I'm about what's best for the country. I'd like my chances versus Trump or Biden, especially in a debate. And yes, I'm serious, although I'm obviously not doing it, I.

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You're right. I don't disagree with him.

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Even more shocking than Stephen A. Smith.

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I mean, the debate portion.

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No question. It's why he underlines it by saying especially in a debate. Right. But but in an election, I don't know. He was the debates. I don't know. Does he win the election? Well, he's not a politician and he's not a lawyer, but he can absolutely win the presidency of the United States running on a platform of I would have won the O.J. Simpson trial. I've often said that that could be his campaign slogan as he makes his way through America.

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Who's going to disagree with him?

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He's going to have a one ounce of his confidence for one second of my life. Who never will, my friend? Never.

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All right.

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As we kick off this post show, the first thing I want to say is whatever happened to John Bronchus has this one that we've discussed the question.

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I mean, I love sports science and it's just completely gone. Tony, who's someone else that you didn't get to say earlier?

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That's a good one, though, because I had not even known that he was gone. You pointed out to me that the sports science segment has gone away, but I always found that informative. I, I figure people now in America simply don't want any kind of science. And since we're sticking to sports around here at ESPN, they just don't want the science guy.

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Yeah, yeah. I may or may not have had some influence at breakfast. Move it up.

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I mean, do I know for a fact at some point you pitch something to John Branca's, you had to love what happened.

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Why do you have anything to do with breakfast leaving office. I don't want any signs of life sports. I just want sports beer. So you said a..

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John Brangus emails up the chain, right? I think what are the most one of the most haunting things.

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And I think this might have been one of the last things that John Branca said on sports science was the visual of what it takes to be eating 70 hot dogs in the Nathan's hot dog eating contest. He had like one of those ballistic dummies with the tube open for his esophagus and was just jamming down like wet hot dog buns and hot dogs into the guy's belly. So just grow and grow and grow.

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I think everybody got so grossed out, like, you know what, we're done with no more no more sports science right here.

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You you mentioned the idea of two gods like sending up the chain, like ripping people who are above him. I'm going to tell a story here. I'm going to have to keep some of the names out of it. No, this isn't actually your expense. The guys just know that there's a little sigurdson. Everyone, including Tony Kornheiser, loves to pick up a telephone. Yes. And call an executive and just bark into the phone. He's a talentless troll.

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Got him off the air.

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I was going to beg you to stop because I thought it was one of a story about me.

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But I've seen Kornheiser do that multiple times where he's just screaming into a telephone saying someone shouldn't be on television.

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There's no doubt he is called.

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Someone had said that about me at some point on Mike. Well, Mike just left because he had to get out of here for, you know, bond with you, Will Bond is still on the rampage with you still got why?

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I mean, I respect Michael Wilbon. I do like like when I got here, I couldn't believe I lived it. Now, perhaps is part of the problem that I landed in at the same network that Michael Wolff works at. I couldn't believe that we had a lot to say. Similar platforms, even though I know more people are watching PTI than perhaps listening to our radio show, but I was thrilled to be in the same place and arrive at the same place as Michael Lohan.

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The problem is Michael Wolmar, because he can all use words, conversations with you and Kornheiser.

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That is so great, Chris. It is so great that absolutely right. Like if you look at the construct of everything we've been trying to do around here for a long time in terms of bouncing up against the machine and growing this like the greatest joys have been in watching Stewart scurry his way up the ladder, unapologetically shady and awful and unshaven and unable to read anything until his goal is for us to get Stewart to up there where Wilbon is. And in some ways he is.

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But I just love the symbolism of this place that you are flattered to be in the company of Wilbon because you've arrived in offends him that you want to make this point here.

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If you're flattered, he is offended. That's just that's on him, though. He doesn't get it, man. Nobody wins this fight. If you take Stewart seriously and you try to get seriously angry at him.

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Right. You lose. No, but that's what's funny is that it's like the dirty secret of everything we've done around here in a decade at ESPN. That's exactly how Stewart scurries up there in the places where, of course, the audience is laughing. Why is Mike Wilbon taking any of that seriously? Like, that's the that is the kernel of the joke we've been making around here for ten years.

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But at least Woburn displays his displeasure with it. I wonder now that thinking about it or the people being nice and supportive of me, but are thinking the same thing as Michael Vick, meaning Bobbly was very supportive of me when Bob was still working here. I outlasted Bob Lee at ESPN. But I wonder somewhere deep down in the recesses of Bob Lee's mind, was he thinking at any point had to look to retirement? How did this guy land at the work that I in and all.

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But to God, I think that we could make the argument that a good portion of SBM don't get the show like don't get exactly what it is because they're not listening to it or whatever. They just don't understand what it is that we're doing. We're always goofing around and we're the stupid show. How do they have a following? Like, I'm guessing a whole lot of people at our place don't don't care for what it is that we're doing. We're seeing more of it now than ever.

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Right. On August 17, on August 17th, you're going to see the radio lineup go Supersport Sports, Sports, Sports, Sports. And we're going to be up against it doing what we do, which is perfectly ridiculous. And I'm guessing that they will continue not exactly like what we're doing, but as it relates specifically to you, you tell me, because this this one popped up the other day and I haven't thought about it. It's not something that I thought like you and I were just joking around.

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Losing the hour in radio and people need to understand this took actually does work hard, like part of this, like it's not that he's not looking for every lazy out that he could possibly get, but when he's working, he's working hard. So it's part of the bit that's to keep saying that he doesn't care about the fans and he gets to work less. But when you ask me how do people at ESPN feel, I thought that playing the straight man sort of objecting to the our loss as we move to podcasts, I thought that I was taking the route of being upset publicly while you went with the character route of one fewer hour of work, and I'm getting the same pay.

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This is my dream job. But imagine how that goes over in Bristol and a pandemic when everyone is white knuckle because there's no sport like. So imagine how that one man stood out, like swaggering around Zimbabwe, but they're paying me to do less.

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But I heard that one they should be upset with because I'm being serious.

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But seriously, don't you find yourself to find that we're often in these positions where you don't know how people see who else is likeable to the reasons to dance gets away with what can only be evil because everyone likes to not. So how do you imagine you go over there with, like, people who don't understand that you're you're playing a character? It's a real life here, but you're playing a character. It's real to you, but it's just you turned up to a thousand.

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It's interesting.

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First of all, thank you for all the compliments you have. I don't need to take a shower. You've showered with compliments during this. It's listen to your larger point. You are right. I'm not happy that it took an hour for our radio show that I care. I care deeply about our radio show, everyone involved with our radio show. I think those that I know Dan knows that. And it frustrates me that they don't know that. They don't know what I'm saying.

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You're paying me the same. Do less is a joke. And the fact that people up there after you we've been working here for six years now, seven years now, and the fact that they still don't know that what I'm doing anymore is, you know, some character stuff really frustrates me. It just does that people that I thought care about me, they don't know what the hell are you doing down here?

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I even get a little bit of this because I say things on the air that I sometimes are not really fully behind. And I'm just trying to be funny. I've gotten emails from suits at ESPN saying you need to return your car after you go to the shopping, the grocery store, like. And I think they're they're emailing me that jokingly. But I'm saying to myself, do they think I'm a terrible person? Because that because I say I don't pick up my dog's poop and I don't return my shopping cart like I worry about, like what these suits think of me since I say things like that as part of the show.

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It's funny that you say this because letting people really deeply behind the curtain here, Billy's not around here, but the conversations if you've been watching what we've been doing at ESPN for ten years, bumping against the stuff that's stuck out is, again, very loudly a character that is real because he lies like that and everything else, like it's all real. But Bill, he's been afraid Billy has been afraid of leaning into that because the biggest bet we made at ESPN is that we would get to the court jester in here and he would climb on to Michael Wilbon head and and with cash that we have cash that bet like it's been pretty cool.

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But Billy still not on board or Billy. Billy wrestles with the idea. What, they're not going to take me seriously up there if I'm always the jack. Yeah.

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Yeah. Talk ability about it. He needs to stop caring so much about that a little bit less.

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I feel like that's just me being the idiot that doesn't think about those things. And I'm just like, let's do it. It's funny.

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It's funny because we've all grown up in this environment and you guys think it's somehow normal, normal. Their environment is the normal one. Ours is the weirdest environment in the history of sports media.

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I'm screwed.