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I am grateful again that you're tuning in. I have an incredible guest that is a student of the planet. And it made me contemplate and be very aware that if we stop being a student, if we stop the curiosity and if we also stop investigating ourselves of who we are, what we are and what we can do to be better, then we just get hit with Toonami by other people's points of view, other systems and modalities and thoughts and feelings of other people and other things.

So therefore, I'm a big advocate for the science of you learning about who you are, what you are, what you believe in, what you're dedicated to. And there is no better person to demonstrate this young, smart, curious and incredibly kind individual. Matt Maruca, I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I met him up at Gabbie's Hamilton's place and pull work out. I heard about him. I've heard him on other podcasts. We finally connected, got this great company called Raw Optics, where I have currently right now wearing the blue blocking glasses because we're staring at computers and I will definitely put a discount code in the show notes that he gave me.

For all of you guys, this guy is all about light, the light diet, how important the sun is. Oh, my God. I am a huge sun person and I've dug into this myself. So we nerd it out with real energy systems of the body, how light affects us and our skin and our immune system, how light infuses and supports our mitochondria, the energy systems literally of every cell, and we just nerd it out.

Circadian rhythms and sleep. Wow, you better buckle in because we're diving in to this episode. So I'm super excited for you to hear and connect with this incredible 20 something year old who owns this raw optics company and is a deliverer of some great truth. He's learned a lot from Dr. Jack Kruse, who's a neurosurgeon and incredible border and researcher, amongst many other things. So sit back or throw on your shoes, your running shoes, your hiking shoes, do whatever you need to do, but listen in and tune in and apply what you're hearing and really enjoy connecting with this great human good friend of mine, Mamoru.

I would love to have people hear your background, because I think all of us have a story of being in adversity and being challenged and then what are you going to do?

It's kind of like the wise in the road, like you're either going to go keep going that way and get the same thing and virtually not the answers of. Health optimization clarity, or you're going to put it on the line and learn and educate and throw out all of what you think you know. To explore that which you don't yet know, and so I love, so why don't you give a little quick story early?

Yeah, so I appreciate you. It's a good frame to start with. I am here for a number of reasons. You know, we met, I believe, at Lairds Place, I think in Arizona a while ago. And it was brief, but it was really cool to connect. And I was kind of there in this world just because of my own health journey, which was growing up being sort of a normal kid outside of Philadelphia in the suburbs, having fun, enjoying myself and always kind of having low level health issues, got issues, allergies, headaches, congestion, all these things that were the gut issues were the most severe for me, like really bad gas and bloating pretty much all the time when I would eat.

And so it was really miserable. And naturally, I started to kind of explore that there must be something I don't know. But at the same time, it was only after I really was suffering, like I tried standard Western medicine, even naturopathic stuff, and it didn't quite start to explain things. And then eventually when I started getting I started getting some really bad breakouts on my skin, I was thinking, oh, gosh, I don't want this.

And so eventually I came across the paleo diet from Google searching, you know, how to heal a damaged gut, because I thought maybe somehow my guts damaged and that would be related. And this is I was like 14. So the the paleo diet, you know, was this concept of eliminating all these processed foods. And of course, it includes meat based, animal based foods. But it was a huge step up, I think, for me, from eating all refined carbs, sugar and all that stuff.

And that was cool. But I still was struggling a lot like I felt way better than I had before. But I was still, like, super crazily craving carbohydrates, like just sugar addict, like you were mentioning yourself. And and I just feel like the diet wasn't fully explaining everything. It just couldn't get all the way. And there's these people arguing about plant based versus, you know, meat based versus Carnivore versus Kito versus high carb. And there's so many things that were conflicting.

And then I came across this guy you're probably familiar with, Dr. Jack Cruz, this neurosurgeon, and his work really struck a chord with me. And it sort of led me to my present knowledge, which is has lots of growth and expansion to be had, but which is that was this concept, simply put, that we are much more than the food we eat. We are like a sort of complex reaction occurring on Earth with the physics of Earth and a lot more drives our biology than just the food we're consuming in the exercise we're doing, in the supplements we're taking.

And it's a very natural, wholesome perspective when it's put that way. But what that kind of means, the implication of that is that when someone's trying to solve a bunch of health issues that that are not caused by diet with diet, it's not necessarily going to be able to solve those issues. And when I'm saying that, what I'm referring to specifically is that we are what I call beings of light. This isn't my term. People have used it for many, many millennia.

But we actually evolved under some light. Our evolution was driven by sunlight, as you know, and food was added as sort of a secondary source of energy to allow for further complexity. And we've then moved in the last hundred and fifty years to a fully indoor lifestyle for the first time really in our history where the majority of the workforce is indoors now. I mean, we started covering ourselves thousands of years ago, which I personally believe has to do with control and subjugation of the populace, because when we cover our solar panels, especially our sexual organs, it can easily make us much more submissive to function in the civilization.

But anyhow, we've moved totally to an indoor lifestyle, a hundred percent, while ninety two percent of the average American's time is indoors. And this causes our body to declassify. Same when you build a human brain and a complex human organism or any organism on a certain amount of energy available in the environment. And then you cut it, you know, those systems are going to have to do complex to find a match what's presently available. And that's what we've done by moving to an indoor lifestyle where we don't get enough sunlight and we add artificial light to try to replace it, which is not the same.

And it's thoroughly deficient in all of these wavelengths that are like vitamins. But no matter what, I don't think someone can be very robustly healthy if they live a totally indoor lifestyle. That's sort of what got me to where I am. But again, there's so much more to learn on this, on the food and on the spirituality side, which I think is really important. Related to life, because, I mean, that's my story. Yeah, well, there's there's a lot of yeah, so far there's a lot there.

And it is interesting if you just start digging into this a little bit and we don't just take everything at face value and you start to go, well, why is it that we've gotten to a point where we're we're literally as a society where afraid of the sun, it's the cause of cancer, and we're slathering chemicals on our that plummet our vitamin D production that is intimately the power engine for our immune system.

So anyway, let's let's unpack this, because I love this stuff.

So let's just get into, like some of the energy drives that light provides for the body. Yeah, awesome. So I like to start back at the beginning of life, which was as to the best of the knowledge available today was at the bottom of the ocean in these vents called alkaline hydrothermal vents, which are not what some people would picture if they're familiar with this concept, which are these other vents called black smokers, which are very turbulent and very strong, there's another type of vent which is very sort of subtle.

The water flow is very subtle and slow. It's not like this crazy turbulent vent. It's just pumping out stuff like a volcano. And so in this vent, there was this constant meeting of this alkaline fluid from the earth. So water that kind of went that was in the earth, that was mixing with all of these minerals and things that made it more alkaline and then this acidic, relatively acidic ocean water. It isn't very acidic, but more so than the alkaline really alkaline fluid from the Earth.

And when these two would meet in this vent as the alkaline fluid came back into the ocean, there's a proton gradient between these two different fluids. And so that's a potential energy source.

So it started exchanging what was negative, which was negative or positive. It would exchange whatever the gradient difference was.

Exactly. That's sort of just like a reaction waiting to happen. In a sense, what the main reaction was, carbon and hydrogen would react to form the first organic molecules with this proton gradient. And like, for example, eventually things like methane would be making again, anything that's carbon and hydrogen based is or technically considered an organic molecule. And just based on, you know, the physics of the environment, these molecules would structure themselves just like in a way that's more energetically favorable.

And they created proto cells that were dependent on the gradient in this vent between the acidic ocean water and the alkaline fluid from the earth to sustain themselves. But through a series of sort of physically favorable, we could say, innovations, the cells eventually became able to basically maintain this reaction independently of the energy in the vent. And so what this kind of means at the basic level, what life really is the way they are, the research is is trending, is that life is like an investor that has there's an opportunity for an energy gain in the environment, but there needs to be a bit of an energy investment in order to get that greater gain in the first place.

So we take hydrogen, which is bound in any form of organic fuel that we can consume. So whether it's animal base, like a fat or plant based carbohydrate, although there are carbs and meat and there are fats in plants as well, we strip the hydrogens from the carbon backbone and we react to them with oxygen that we breathe. And basically that process makes water. And in that process of stripping that energy, we basically pump protons across the mitochondria and a membrane and then they're sort of really forced into this tight space and they want to flow back down.

And basically that's how we make the spin and generate energy. And that's probably a bit silenzi for some folks. If you look at the picture of the mitochondria, you can, you know, figure it out. But to your question of how does sunlike power everything. So this is what we do as life. That's why I like to start there as we move out of these events. And I think, you know, higher up into the surface of the ocean where we would be exposed to full spectrum sunlight, not just the infrared light that was present and sort of driving this process down there because, well, we could get into that.

But infrared light is a great place to start. Infrared structures, water. So you're probably familiar with the forces of water structure of water, Dr. Pawlick.

So you had him on the show or I he was going to be on the TV show. Oh, really? Yeah. But then we it was just too big of a rabbit hole to. Conduct in this 45 minutes and we have to get all this other stuff. So listen, this people, if any of the science was too much, right now it comes down to this.

The sunlight is hitting your body and you're 70 plus percent water. What do you think that's doing? The sun is literally on that level. We haven't even gotten to the true mitochondrial exchange and empowered that. And we haven't even gotten to melatonin and we haven't got to all that stuff. But it's all related and it's all frequency and it's all that energy that when you go out in the sun, you're just think of it this way. You're structuring water in that water structure, in that reaction, we're hydrophilic and it's you're literally gaining energy by being in the sun on the basis level.

Absolutely.

That's very well put. Very, very well put. You know, to sort of close off that bit about the beginning of life. I would love to one day, sort of, if possible, fund the research for, you know, the clinical scientific lab research, because that's not what I do. So infrared is fundamentally involved at a huge level because of how it affects water like we've talked about. And there was a ton of infrared present in those events.

But as life came towards, let's say, the surface where it wasn't just getting the infrared from the vents, now, we were exposed to a whole additional set of wavelengths, which is the full spectrum of sunlight as it hits earth. The real full spectrum of sunlight is really, really broad, and only a small chunk of it actually reaches us on Earth. And even a smaller chunk of that is what we can actually see, the visible rainbow colors.

But so when I say full spectrum sunlight, it's full spectrum of sunlight that reaches Earth just for practical purposes here. And that includes the light that we can't see, which is ultraviolet and infrared. And the reason there's a distinction is because, for example, if you have light coming through a window or through a pair of sunglasses or something like that or off a screen, it is no longer full spectrum. So that's just the distinction there to be made.

And people will understand why it's relevant as we get more into artificial light and its effects. But that full spectrum light we can think of, as I sort of inferred to earlier, is like a multivitamin. It's a lot of different wavelengths which are distinct and carry energy. They are energy, they have frequency and a wavelength. And these can actually be utilized just like any energy to actually do some work in a physical system. So, you know, it's physics says work.

We think of basically the same thing. You just requires energy to make anything happen. And so naturally, living organisms which are already taking advantage, like these little investors, shall we say, of energy opportunities available in the environment. If there's this, you know, free source of energy that you just come across, quote unquote, free, it's not really free because it's created by the sun through a whole set of physical processes. Right. But relatively speaking, for us, it's basically free.

Would we use that or not use it? Of course we're going to use it because it's going to allow us to carry out more processes and develop more complexity. So that's sort of the the short of all of evolution is we started using life and I should say liked to drive life. And we combine that with the physical Stobbs substrates that are present on Earth to build things and build complexity. And there's a there's whole other layers, like, for example, much later on in evolution, most people don't know this, but and this is something, again, Dr.

CRU's has talked about very thoroughly. The data is amazing on this subject, but how life would utilize something like viruses, which are really relevant in our society today, right now in particular, to actually drive evolution because viruses are just strands of DNA, you know, that don't really have there's this age-Old debate. Are viruses alive or not? Because they don't carry out all the functions of living organism, but they're just a sort of just like water or like they're they're just not even organic.

They're just a material of earth that's formed because of the environment of Earth. They don't quite cross the threshold of being alive because they don't really have a full metabolism, but they are a strand of DNA. And when that's inserted into a living organism, it can express certain things. So as humans, you know, they say we have this junk DNA that isn't used for anything, but that's actually not really true. It's this whole set of genes that's literally like, you know, the marble that Mike that I think it was Michelangelo used to sculpt.

David, it's like we have this entire set of opportunity that we can create from that's what our entire genome is. All that 98 percent that they call junk. It's really not junk. It's something we can use that's affected by our environmental changes. And this is something that's really interesting, sort of separate from sunlight. There's this this theory primarily driven by a guy named Dawkins, Richard Dawkins. And it's like this concept of neo Darwinism. And many people are familiar with the book The Selfish Gene.

It's the idea that the gene is the driving force of. Evolution, like the genes themselves, are selfish somehow and that they drive evolution in reality, what the evidence shows is that the environment drives evolution and the genes are sort of the script, just like someone taking notes in a courtroom, you know, like what happened and how can we replicate it. That's basically life.

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So we're derailing on so many different levels. And it's showing up as immune compromise is showing up as not sleeping is showing up as you go on and on and on.

And that's what I like to focus on, is that once we've eliminated just like the government that had that tax base cut in half, we could maybe even say because no one knows exactly, but we can maybe even say that we've had our tax base as a biological organism cut into a tenth. You know, that we are functioning maybe at a tenth of what is really possible. I really like the example, for example, of King, I believe was come him, hammer some.

There's the last Hawaiian king, actually the only king to unite all of Hawaii. Kamehameha, come in. Thank you, Kamehameha. He united Hawaii, I believe, because he did get guns from the Europeans. And so he was able finally to unite the majority of the islands because of the guns. And he was apparently, I believe as far as it goes, he was like a seven foot plus tall, giant beast human, you know what I mean?

Sort of like a queen bee versus all the rest of the bees. And I kind of believe that that is the available potential for almost every human being, not necessarily every human being that is born, but every potential sperm and egg cell that could be conceived. Now, again, when the reason I say that is because not not every human that's born is because, for example, a lot of people are born from eggs that were housed in a mother who accumulated mitochondrial damage throughout her life.

And so what that would mean is that when they're born, they already kind of come into the world at a disadvantage. And this is very, very clearly seen in people, for example, who are born with autism or childhood obesity. They get, you know, at a very young age. These are people who come into the world with really suboptimal engines. So I'd actually love to get into the mitochondria a little bit with what you say. So.

So these are the first organisms that evolved out of these vents. And this this is the story that's the most interesting to me. So they were all what we would call single celled organisms. You know, they were bacteria and archaea. That's basically it. And these organisms, you know, had to take energy in and use it to do stuff in order to sort of maintain this ongoing reaction. That's basically you could think of it like a fire where the spark started in the vent.

And then it was a self-perpetuating reaction, just like a fire. You know, just to hit the fire analogy, the reason this is so relevant to life and particularly to organisms with mitochondria is because we literally do the same thing as a fire in our body. Fires always burn organic hydrogen based fuel source, whether it's gasoline, wood leaves, paper, you name it. It's all hydrogen based fuel source cellulose, usually from a plant. But again, it could be a fossil fuel, which is hydrogen based still.

And we input a spark of energy. And the spark is just like that investor that causes those hydrogens to break free from that carbon backbone. And once those hydrogens are free, just like that business partner who's stuck in one of their business, once he's free, he can go he can go work with this other business guy who who isn't maybe in a place which isn't an existing business, which for that hydrogen is oxygen that's free in the air once the hydrogen is liberated from its current configuration with the spark from its carbon backbone, and it can start reacting with oxygen from the air and that makes water.

And that is an exothermic reaction. It releases a lot of energy because those two molecules are now more satisfied in that position. It's sort of like two people in bad relationships breaking up and getting into a better relationship themselves as well. And that reaction is self-perpetuating because that formation of oxygen, hydrogen to water releases energy, which is the new spark for the reaction to continue. So that's how that little Woolsey fires north of the 101 could literally burn all of Malibu because every time more water is made and evaporates off so we don't even see it in the fire, it perpetuates it.

So that's what these like living organisms, bacteria, archaea we're doing in the ocean. Their life was constrained as bacteria and archaea four, I believe, is about two and a half billion years of biological evolution, sort of four billion years of life. The first two and a half, it was just these tiny little things kind of stuck. But eventually there was this really cool, what they call Ando's symbiosis, it's technically called, or a merger where basically, for whatever reason, you know, we could talk about reasons all day long, but just looking at what most likely actually happened.

One bacteria and another type of bacteria called an RKO, there's an oxidative cyanobacteria and an RKO bacteria, these are the two scientific names, but to bacteria is doing their own thing. The oxidative cyanobacteria, like the name sounds oxidative. It's very efficient at making energy, using oxygen. And then the Arko bacteria happens to be very good at, for example, structure and function and maintenance of the genome and doing all that stuff. And so it's kind of like me and my business or anyone in the business, really, if someone's really good at like the overall picture and the structure and the function and everything, it's better that they be able to just focus on that and not have to focus on generating energy all day long because that maybe isn't their specialty.

And then on the other hand, if this oxidative cyanobacteria is super good at making energy, but maybe not as good at getting all that nutrients in and, you know, building and maintaining the genome and building itself, it's like, well, maybe all that could be delegated to the host, the master sort of in the energy. People could just do their thing, you know. So basically what happened is this host cell took in these mitochondria. You know, this is a dramatized version, let's say, but the host cell sort of took in these mitochondria and said, here, let me cut you a deal.

You know, you guys are really good at making energy. You don't have to worry about getting any nutrients anymore. You don't have to worry about getting food from the environment. I'm going to take care of that. You don't have to worry about housing. I got that. You're good. All you do is just work all day long on making energy. And I'm going to give you food, shelter and you're good. And so basically the hotel took on.

Now, today, each human cell or complex cell has about a thousand mitochondria in it. So talk about the microbiome. People talk about. We have 10 trillion or ten times as many bacteria in our gut as we do human cells in our body. Well, for every one of those human cells, we have 1000 mitochondria. So we have way more mitochondria than we do gut bacteria and mitochondria.

We're back we're back here and they still are still around there.

So we actually have so we are, I like to say, like a bacterial super colony as these organisms that we are today. So we still the kind of point of this whole of the story going through it is really that we not only were able to evolve because of that merger where these mitochondria began to be able to focus on energy production in, the host was able to focus on structure and function. Essentially, we are still dependent on the mitochondria to generate all of our energy because we require energy.

So the reason that that work just for the people who are curious, like how did that work? Well, the mitochondria each had about, let's just say, about a thousand genes to maintain and express.

And now that the host was going to take care of all of that, they no longer needed all of those thousand genes, which, again, is where most of their energy was going. It'd be kind of like if you had it in one room, you had a thousand people all solving the same problem individually. Even if one of them had already solved it, it'd be like, well, why can't you just take the one person who solved it and copy it across the other thousand?

That's what was not happening. And that's what happened, was they deleted all of the mitochondrial bacterial genes except for 13. And we can talk about why they didn't delete those thirteen genes and why they're still in the mitochondria. So we have two genomes still. We have a nuclear genome and a mitochondrial genome in our mitochondria and evolution and epigenetics all happened through the mitochondrial genome because there's a thousand mitochondria per human cell and they react much more quickly to the environment because of, you know, physical changes.

And then they communicate with the nuclear genome, which is what turns on and off our nuclear genes, which is the mechanism for all everything everyone talks about with epigenetics, whether it's diet, like everything, it all happens from environment to mitochondria, then to the nuclear genes.

So let's just think about that. Everyone, like just sit with what he just said for a second, because that that takes what you used to think in my parents and everything else, that this is just who I am and this is what happens.

And these mitochondria and the thousand genes are sitting there intimately listening, reacting to this like like on a level that is just infinitely mind blowing. And they have to keep in mind, they have to for their two billion years of evolving before they even got to this point. They have to listen to the environment. They're dead.

It's their job. Yes, it's literally their job.

So so if we don't live in congruency and I want to dive into that so people can really understand how they can optimize this mitochondria, you need to provide these basic things that are not that are so basic. We have gotten so far away in our modern day world. Right. So we've we've are ninety two percent indoor living. And all of this stuff has just. Choked out this powerful, powerful two billion years of evolution system. And if we just tune ourselves back into this isn't biohacking, this is this is evolution at its greatest expression.

And we don't have to do much and we don't have to be in fear, we can. Turn that on, so let's get into let's turn on our our mitochondria and why that is that they've been waiting for 30 percent of our volume is mitochondria.

So we are largely water. Right. But a lot of that water is within and around the mitochondria. So can you imagine, like, 30 percent of my weight is mitochondria? It's pretty ridiculous. I didn't know that until recently, but so that is our that is our body. These things are us. We are them. It isn't like they're this other thing. They are they are us. And the better they work, the better we work.

And so I'm sort of, you know, with with sharing all this, my goal is to get people to be friendly with our mitochondria, because just like you said, the old model is the nuclear model, which is like I have these genes and these are my genes. And it's like, yes, but those are just like we talked about. It's almost like a grocery store. It's like you can go in and get anything you want. It all depends on what you choose.

And the way you choose is by being friends with your mitochondria and doing things in your environment and your life that make them work better. And that makes all the nuclear genes be expressed better, too. So anyway, that, like we said, that energy savings allowed for complexity to begin to evolve and then life could start to consume other organisms, even to build further complexity using the organic materials that they spent an entire life building just to do it in one meal, essentially, and things went from there.

And so the reason we went to the whole mitochondrial side of things is because when we're talking about sunlight, one of the main things the red in the infrared component optimize is the the mitochondrial energy production. So that's that's sort of how we got there. So this this Dr. Wallice, the coolest thing that he showed is basically all the diseases that we're facing today are mediated through the mitochondria. So he started looking at these same patients in people and looking at their mitochondria and consistently their mitochondria are having problems.

And the simplest way to put it back to this, all this analogy's and things we talk about from the beginning of life, but really summing it up is when you change the environment that the mitochondria exist in, like we talked about that, you know, they're supersensitive, they're reacting very closely. They're monitoring everything. You change the environment where they're used to generating energy and what they've evolved up to. It lowers the amount of energy production and it increases the amount of reactive oxygen species being generated.

And everyone knows the reaction. Reactive oxygen, species and access cause problems. Most people don't know that they're actually essential to our body function properly. Some people think you don't want any, you actually need them. They're key signalling molecule. But what they do is they cause mutations in the mitochondrial genes within each mitochondria. So that's sort of the system. This is where we can start to dive into the the really interesting stuff of like what is affecting these systems.

If if it's as simple as you change your environment, that lowers mitochondrial energy production, it increases reactive oxygen species generation, which mutates the mitochondrial DNA, which mutates, which affects the mitochondrial ability to generate energy. And they've been able to show that they have literally diagrams, charts that show that, for example, in Alzheimer's, the mitochondria and the brain can't generate or use energy properly to carry things out. Saiman heart disease and the cardiovascular system, it is in metabolic diseases.

If you're obese, it's like there's issues in our satiety signaling and our hormones and things which are underlined by mitochondrial damage. And the only other thing I'd want to add is, like you said, they're adaptable. So a lot of this is it's an adaptation system. So the diseases we're facing today, even though we call them diseases, it's just our body trying to figure out a solution to a totally changed environment where at one point when the mitochondria, for example, when people move to the tops of mountains like the Sherpas in the Himalayas, their mitochondria had a problem and they figured out a solution that eventually migrated into their genes.

Or they can crush it with really, really low oxygen compared to the rest of us when they're living up at 15000 feet.

What can people do to ramp up, turn on, engage, express their mitochondrial energy?

What can they do? Epic questions. So I spent a very long time not knowing how to answer that question. So I would I learned all this stuff from, well, many sources. But again, primary conjecture of these researchers for me was Dr. Jack CRU's. And still, though, trying to take all these things that were scattered across tons of different books of researchers and videos and papers. And it was all still a bit much, you know.

So I came up with what I call the light diet after a period of time. Great, great name. Yeah. And it's funny people think of like when I first say it, sometimes people will say they think of like a light diet as in light and food, like all vegetables and fruits, which, interestingly enough to to our discussion earlier, might actually be directly related.

I'm not looking at it quite yet. There's a. There's a lot of structure in fresh food and plant food and and there's a lot of voltage exchange, obviously, too. So you got healthy that conversation as it relates to voltage, really. And people aren't really making that connection. So definitely that's.

Really relevant that we can be, you know, eating plant based diet, there's a lot we could talk about, about diet, but so the light diet as it goes is just the way that I figure it out to sort of summarize this, these whole concepts.

And there's eight steps. So it took me, again, about three or four really like five, six years of all this research to put this together, to get down to these simple steps. And for me, it's pretty all encompassing relative to where we are as a society and where we could get to, you know, for most people, the low hanging fruit. You can change to have the biggest impact. So step one of the light diet is to sleep with the sun.

And it's just what it sounds like it's going to sleep close to when the sun goes down, maybe a little bit after, but not really being awake a lot of time when the sun's not out for a number of reasons. One, to our discussion, our body and a lot of it's complex systems require the light of the sun to function optimally. Even being in the shade like we are right now, we're still getting a lot of the full spectrum on our eyes, our skin, which is helping to power a lot of stuff.

And of course, our pupils are contracted significantly. So it doesn't seem like it's very bright. But if you went from a dark room into the light that we're in right now in the shade, you would be overwhelmed. It'd be very bright. And so this is light that's actually powering a lot of things in the body. And so the point is, when you're awake many hours in the night, it's trying to carry out complex systems with less energy means more reactive oxygen species, more damage in the cells, faster aging disease generation, all that stuff.

So we want to be awake when the sun's out and asleep when the sun's gone. And that's basically it. And the other part of that step, very important in the modern world, is wearing blue blocking glasses, as you know.

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You really need to wake up with the sun. And the reason waking with the sun is important is because we have these things that you're obviously familiar with. But many people aren't called circadian rhythms. And circadian rhythm is sort of a fancy term for a biologic clock that controls a lot of things. Every cell has a circadian rhythm, every organ follows a rhythm, and they're all coordinated by the master clock if we're doing all these things that we're talking about here.

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So even if you don't see the sunrise directly, you're still getting a very strong circadian stimulus, not to mention you're dialed in and you can't destroy it. You can't break it when you live in nature because there is no way to break it. There was no way to break it until we built houses, windows and created artificial light. So so what I recommend and again, this is something Dr. Cruise is adamant about, but it's also something that the ancient Indians are also adamant about the sun gazing practice that's so beneficial to the body.

So getting up to like if I were here trying to avoid rattlesnakes, I would just walk to the top of that hill and just look east when the sun comes up. Maybe that ought to be right there. Anyhow, though sunrise sets the circadian rhythm, it stimulates the production and secretion of key hormones and neurotransmitters and gets our cells all timed up so you can have your eyes uncovered. I recommend never wearing sunglasses, also sunglasses, contact lenses. If you have to wear glasses to see.

I recommend taking them off, especially at this time. And any time that you're outdoors and could be assimilating the full spectrum because any glasses, lens blocks, ultraviolet light and maybe some infrared. So that's sort of a step to wake with the sun. Step three is live outdoors during the day. There's actually eight steps, by the way, but some of them are. We won't go as deep. But so step three is sunbathe and live outdoors during the day.

This is where we would touch on things like melatonin production because the morning sun sets the circadian rhythm and drives all these processes. But later in the day, getting some sunbathing and just sun exposure throughout the day is when we would, for example, get a lot more of the benefits of the photo bio modulation, the red light therapy, part of the solar spectrum, which red light therapy doesn't even compare to full spectrum sunlight. It is even in the same ballpark if if red light therapies like a A one sunlight exposure like a fifty, you know, but it's still better to have the one than none if you live indoors or it's the winter.

Anyhow, so I recommend people just try to sunbathed for five minutes per day, but adding five minutes each day so they can build up a tent, like you said, get the melanin production, but just try to expose as much of your body as possible.

Yeah, and the healthier someone is, the better you'll tan. So, like, you know, you obviously are very healthy. You can tan very well. It means, you know, your skin, as people say, the biggest organ. And if your skin works well, if it can generate melanin properly, it's great. Now, here's one thing. This is where the sunglass issue becomes really relevant, is that sunglasses where you Golok. So they block the stimulus?

Well, multiple things. I think Laird talks about how the sunglasses prevent our eye from properly contracting in response to light. So you're getting blasted with high energy blue. And so your eye is actually getting damaged by wearing sunglasses directly because again, the stimulus for the contraction of the people isn't quite as good as it should be. But on the other hand, the UV coming through the eye stimulates the production, ultraviolet as UV, the production of melanocytes stimulating hormone, which stimulates the production of melanocytes, which are the cells in the skin that make melanin and feed it into our higher the surface layer of our skin.

And so if you're blocking that stimulus through your eye, then you're potentially increasing your risk for skin cancer. Not even potentially you are. Step four is drink on fluoridated spring water. So this goes to our conversation about water. It's such an important thing in our body. And yet most of us don't even think about the water we're drinking. Even a lot of people I know in the health world are drinking city water, you know, like filtered through a Brit.

I'm like, are you kidding me? Even though Burki is not good enough, don't understand it.

I guess it's really crazy. Now, listen, I've, you know, getting into the spring water thing 100 percent, it's always been my first choice. If you if you do have access to spring water, of course, use that water. It's been electrically charged by the sun. It's been chelated to the minerals. It's it's structured. It's vegetated. It's beautiful. Right. So there's a lot of positives, but we also don't have a lot of access to it.

But you need to deconstruct the water coming out of the top. You have to and then build it back up again. And there's easy ways to do that. And I can leave stuff in the show, notes I've written chapters on. I've done videos on that. So, so super important.

And again, we just talked about water people. So we've got hydrophilic action going on. We've got the importance of clean water because we don't want to toxify your system. I call these things fatele conveniences. When you turn on a tap and you're getting dumped full of pesticides, nitrates, we could sit here and talk on this particular thing for a very long time.

So clean your water, purify it, build it back up again, add your electrolytes superimportant. OK, so cool.

It's truly that simple. So not step four then step five. I'm focused on here talking about eating a seasonal diet and especially focusing on consuming omega 3s. And something like I mentioned, I'm getting more interested in is how certain people thrive on a plant based diet and how certain people do not. They're probably not doing it in a healthy way. Right, like we talked about earlier. But the key thing is for sunlight, assimilation, having a healthy proportion of omega three in our diet or in our skin and eyes particularly.

And as far as I have learned thus far, that the best way to do it is by consuming seafood. But of course, now today you have a very strong point that there are certain things in seafood that we don't want to consume. So it's something I'd actually really like to research a lot more, to be honest. You know, not so much.

And just the overall sustainability part of it, too. It's just getting really dangerous in terms of societal strain on on on being sustainable. So we have to use science to to go around that and to acknowledge we have toxic exposure. We have unsustainable fish farming practices, not to mention fish farms are just the toxic soup. But I hear you. There's great I mean, there's great obviously chia flax, omega three algae oils and and great food, great spirit, Leena's and OK, so then makes a lot of sense.

Um, seasonal eating patterns and then what's the next.

So that's five then six seven and eight are six is getting cold exposure. So basically this is something that is a very big haak for people again. The real meat of the light diet is essentially in the first three steps, but step six, getting cold is a huge power boost for a lot of people, because if you especially if you have some health issue getting cold, for example, taking an ice bath or getting in an ocean or getting in a lake or getting in a river, you know, there's many benefits to it.

But one of the main ones is that it causes our mitochondria to actually generate more energy. But instead of turning that into ATP, we release it as heat. That's, you know, it's called thermogenesis or cold thermogenesis. It's how when you go into a body of water, even though if our core temperature changes by a degree or two, we can die literally while, you know, yeah, we can die. That's why it's so consistently around ninety eight point six.

If it goes down a couple degrees, things are done because all the reactions won't be able to proceed, just like we've talked about from the energy standpoint. So when we get into that cold water, our body temperature would go down very quickly if we didn't have some mechanism to ramp up heat from heat production. And we do. It's really cool. That's basically the stimulus on our skin to the brain and then back to the fat, to that there's mitochondria in our fat called wild type, certain type of fat, brown adipose tissue.

So white adipose tissue is white because it doesn't have a lot of mitochondria, but brown adipose tissue does and mitochondria are brown. So that's why it's brown adipose tissue and they take all these fats and then burn them. But again, instead of making ATP release that energy stored in those electrons, which just like energy and wood that we burn and fire it all initially came from sunlight. So it's like the inner fire that Wim Hof talks about. It couldn't be a more accurate term.

So literally, our inner fire that we're burning, you know, with oxygen and hydrogen, just like in the ancient tumor breathing the tumor. Yeah, exactly. So and that gets that oxygen component going. There's there are other things that have to work well, like if you have a disrupted circadian rhythm, that's going to mean your mitochondria are not working well and maybe your leptin hormone is not working well, most likely in the modern world. So the tumor breathing would be especially good if you got all these other things dialed in.

But if you don't, all that extra oxygen coming in might not help you. That's why I really am trying to shed light on this subject so that people can get these basic disconnects dialed in because then all the other work everyone's doing is going to go so much further. And yes. So just getting cold. I mean, my protocol, shall we say, is like I live by the ocean. So any time I can to get in the ocean, whether it's twice a day, once a day, I try to surf when I surf and I'm in the water for an hour or two, I feel fantastic.

Some people will buy like a chest freezer, you know, and fill it with water and turn it to the right temperature so that it's constantly cold. There's like a Luuk story then Greenfield blog they did about how to do this. It's like the cheapest way to have an ice bath. If you do that. Personally, I would do maybe 20 to 60 minutes a day around. I prefer like 50 to 60 degrees. So it's very cold, but it's not like off putting cold in the 40s or even the high 30s, like, for example, you know, Rick would do with his ice bath.

And so, you know, and rather than have three minutes at absolute freezing, I'd prefer 20 to 30 or more at 50 or 60. It's just for me it works better. But you find your own thing. And this is one of those things where just like sunbathing or the sleep in the circadian rhythm, you're going to feel the effect really quickly. So you're familiar with this? Of course. And that's simple. Over time, things like this can help to heal broken mitochondria.

It can really help people kind of kick start their engines. But I would say also to someone who's really maybe struggling or just getting started, like don't push yourself to freeze. You know, don't do that. Go in. Like, even if you get in 70 degree water or 80 80s, pretty close to the body temperature, but even 70 is cooling for the body.

You stay in there long enough, your body is going to have to kick in these mechanisms because it can't heat up the whole ocean. It's got to kick in these heat heat producing mitochondria. Yeah.

And it's you know, it's also a great thing when you're a everyone does this naturally. It's basically like saying go to the beach, you know, you get in the sun, sun the bit, your skin gets hot, you get in the water, you get back in the sun, you absorb a bit more sunlight. You know, cooling our skin actually can make our skin more effective at assimilating the light. So it's fun to do it.

I talk to a cryo engineer. He said the hotter the solar panels, same thing. What you're saying, hotter solar panel physical solar panels get, the more less efficient there. Yeah, same thing with the cooler we are. When we cooler's off down, the more efficient we suck in that solar heat.

It's pretty interesting. There's some deep physics to this. And I'd love if any physicist listening to this could actually elucidate that even more for me. But it's just like the smartphone. You know, the phone gets really cold up to a certain point. It still works very, very well. I mean, unless it's so cold that it just can't even sense the heat from your fingers. But in the end, that could be, you know, from say it's like ninety eight point six degrees and our body temperature and our fingers, if you go all the way down like 20s or tens, the phones still work fine.

You go up to like 110, 120. The thing just craps out on you pretty quickly. I mean, once it gets real hot in the sun. So that's the same thing in our bodies. The heat makes it so that electrons can't flow as efficiently on proteins and it's just a mess. That's why our computers have fans. Phones overheat much more quickly because they can't fit often in the phone. Right. So that's the benefit of getting cool in.

Another way to put it is just go outside and don't necessarily bundle up like crazy, just be out in nature and just be exposed to the elements, you know. In fact, that's probably the better way to put it is we just live in this air conditioning and heating society where we constantly have that stable 60, 70 degrees. If you go outside, there is a natural variation that stimulates this in kind of conditions us in a way that, you know, really is beneficial.

So that's step six. Step seven is a whole separate podcast, but basically it's minimizing or mitigating the effects of non-native electromagnetic radiation because that's another form of light that negatively affects our light diet. And that's something you know about this one.

Of course, that's a big one, M.F. and all of this nonbiological, assimilative pollution of electronics and Wi-Fi and cell phone and all of that stuff.

So we'll leave that there. I say we'll leave it there. But, you know, if anyone wants to take away just three things would be turn your phone on airplane mode when you're carrying it on you. And with that one, Neverwhere airports or I watches Apple watches and he never, ever does is Bluetooth.

And it's just a low grade, same frequency as Wi-Fi.

Yeah, it's really, really even quite strong on your home phone calls on your brain in your years with the air pods. So those I would avoid phone on airplane mode as much as possible. And then the next would be turn your Wi-Fi off while you sleep and your circuit breaker if you can, which everyone pretty much can.

And then the biggest I would recommend is just avoiding living in a major, major city where you have a potentially 50 cell towers within a couple of miles because people don't realize and this is, again, a whole separate conversation for another day, but it's a an unbridled human experiment that's going on. The telecom companies have not done any honest research on the health effects. It's all been biased. And the research that has been done from independent researchers is almost always showing very, very negative effects from this exposure.

So it's just like cigarettes. And even Dr. Mercola now is, you know, one of the biggest pioneers in alternative health. World says it is the next cigarettes smoke are these cell phones are the next cigarettes from public perception. So it's a big one. And we we both have a lot to say about that. But we're not going to open up that can quite yet. But there are some things you can do straight away and mitigate your exposure to that.

All right.

So then the last so the last step, eight of the light diet, as I've put it together. And this is something a lot of people are starting to work on and I'm working on. And it's my main focus long term is cultivating our inner light. So if you do all this external stuff, it's great. But if you're chronically stressed or something like that, it's going to be a struggle. And for me, that's been that's been a real struggle because I started making all this progress and all these other things and feeling benefits and physically having some benefits, but yet realizing that, you know, for many reasons, you know, things that ways I was raised and things I was taught to believe and things that really weren't mine that I was holding or still am in many regards, just totally don't let me be as, you know, healthy as I'd like to be, as energetic as I'd like to be, as to sleep as well as I'd like to, you know.

So I think that more and more, even though it's step eight, it doesn't mean it's less important than any of the others. I actually am starting to think that it's probably the most important of all of them. And for that one, I will defer to Joe Dispenza because he is the guy for people to start with on that work. But it's just like if you have a pot that has holes in the bottom, you pour these nutrients in like a plant in a pot, I should say, pour the nutrients, you pour the water in like it could all just leak out the bottom if you're not plugging those holes, if you have those holes there.

And so for me, it was I was I am actively finding out that even though I'm doing a lot of other stuff, I think with that, just as doing this light work can add so much more benefit to the diet and exercise work that so many people are doing and not looking at their light and circadian rhythms, I believe that the spiritual work is the same relationship on a person. It can bring everything so much further. For everyone and everyone really needs it, and there is a podcast I listened to yesterday with Tim Ferriss and this woman Briney Brown, you may have heard of, she's very famous in the psychology world and so on.

And she was saying, like some people say, they don't really want to deal with that stuff. They're not ready. But it's like, you know, the spiritual, emotional, physical trauma, pain, whatever it's like. But actually, everyone's dealing with it like we're all dealing with it no matter what, no matter what. It's just are you dealing with it head on or are you letting it ruin your life all the time? And it was a really good quote.

It was like from Carl Jung, I think was keep your shadows in front of you because they can only really hurt you from behind, you know? And I was like, wow. So that's where I'm focusing because I have so much work to do for myself on that area.

So, yeah, that's I mean, that's a beautiful way to end, but also the beginning.

Thanks for having me on the show. You're stoked. You're you're on a good path, my friend. I appreciate you. Thank you for hanging out under this nice oak tree and crispy, OK.

Yeah, exactly. Thanks very much. Thank you to everyone.

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