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All right, bang, bang. Welcome to the day partner show with Eddie and Company First episode. This is Eddie, obviously. I'm with Dave. Dave, how's it going? Good.

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I just did a you asked me just add somebody else's podcast and they started the show by saying, bang, bang.

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No. Did they really? Yeah. I mean, we got to trademark that. That's you know, that's been my thing.

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I, I said that I'm like it's êtes things like it's my thing. Does he do it all right before that? Is that like something you took from somebody else? No, it's like one of those things where it's like I don't like doing like I'm like a big open like Bob Barker. Welcome, everybody. You know what I mean? Something like I just need something to go right. You know? So you made that up. Yeah. Well, then why is he doing it?

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I don't know. Very strange. I get Dogwalker. But regardless, this is the first episode of the show, we're bringing it back, you remember the day before the show ended in 2016? I think it was right. I have no clue. And that's what I saw from the last tweet, because that's right around the time you're talking with me and Leo, we're doing it. No, no, no. That's years and years and years.

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2016 is years and years and years ago. But was that the day?

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Pordenone. I don't think that was a power. Our true. OK. Yes, right. So I'm saying the first part. No. No. I believe the first show is the Dave Porny show, and then it switched to the power hour, I believe I believe Power Hour was when we went on local radio in Boston. The Dave Portnoy Show was BlogTalkRadio, I think.

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Yes, and that was an iteration where, you know, that guy with the fake voice would call in and you got Ron and Caleb would cycle in and everything and then serious came on.

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No. What are you talking about? Well, I'm just saying the last look at the clip that Dave Pawni show was like, I believe like Big Cat called into.

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I guess I'm wrong that because I thought that was a power. I think it started as the day I show is Michelangelo to talk? Yeah, sure. Michelangelo is the producer of the show.

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So, Michelangelo, if you look that up, is there the Dave Portnoy Show on BlogTalkRadio.

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I'm seeing Dave Portnoy show first episode. I'm going to talk to the Michael Michelangelo. OK, you to this. We're good. Yeah, OK. That's coming through crystal clear now. Episode one of the Dave Portnoy Show podcast was February two. We're talking way before podcasting. Yes. So this is you guys.

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We get to a bar. McShay was on it now, correct? That's the power.

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OK, but before that, I was on Internet radio, blog, talk radio.

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OK, and that was Gads would take questions, right. Yeah, I would take and that's I could never like figure out the technology.

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It would be almost like 45 minutes to trying to figure out how to take a phone call.

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OK, all right. I do kind of remember that as well. But regardless, this conversation leads into the day. Part of our show is back. It's in this form. It could be Dave and I. And we're going to be talking basically everything inside barstool obviously kind of goes to get that was serious. But we're going to do this now. I don't know. Are you serious?

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Which actually says the Power Hours blog, talk radio. So you may be right. OK, good for you.

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I know you, Dave. That's why you know, I've been around for a little bit. Good for you.

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So this is going to kind of take place of that and kind of just bring Dave to you in a way that kind of everyone loves. Well, Sirius is going to ante up Eddie are there. So know that you know it well.

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I'm not going to go work for peanuts. Yeah. So all we got to give some people access and we'll do this podcast.

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Well, let's start with that. That is the Sirius deal, is that it's in negotiations, but they want me on the radio.

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OK, so it's a serious deal, like up at the end of the year soon.

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Yeah, maybe end of the year. I'm not I'm not 100 percent sure, but it's coming towards the end of it. Yeah.

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OK, so that would make sense because like I said, you stopped the final iteration of the day part. I show you stop because serious came along. Correct. You got the show, then we got a channel. You did that quarantine happen. Everything kind of got fucking thrown on the wall. Yeah.

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And the the Basel radio, by the end, Mike Riggs was just throwing his glove on the field. You know, he's doing great with golf. Didn't really have time for radio. I'm wildly busy. So, you know, it's like I wasn't prepping that much for it, but it's a good outlet for me to vent and let it go. And then you approached me about a podcast, so we reinvigorated like I need some if I'm going to give my time.

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One or two things have to happen. You have to be paying me handsomely. And I don't mean me personally, like pastel. So serious, going to open the checkbook and then to if it's not, that is going to be good. Somebody's going to be like, I'm so busy now. I got to be able to walk in and have a guy who is going to, you know, do the research and be ready to do a good show.

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And hopefully that's you.

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So hopefully, yes. And that's kind of where I want to start today. I will do that. It's been a fucking roller coaster of a year, I assume, for you. Yeah, because like, every year is crazy, but yes, crazy.

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But I don't think there's a year's crazy esteve, huh. Nuts. Let's go through it, OK. Yeah, let's go through it. Let's let's go a little bit before the year started. OK, sure. You become your first adult film. That was in December ushe. What? Yes, that was in December, my first adult film was in December, yes, because I remember I was in I hosted really far longer.

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Older than that.

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No, because I. Hosmer. Yeah.

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December talking as if you watch it, what should be a federal federal crime. But you're saying that's less than a year ago. My first film was my first film was released. Yes.

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Because you were coming back from the Friday's funeral when you did the video.

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Right. I correct. Drop a sex tape. Yeah, correct. What were they say that some research here.

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What did I say? You said if you do these things every day, you'll be a happy full man. It's laugh, cry, drop a sex tape.

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Think as well. Sorry, because I went to the funeral. Yes, exactly. So you had that was your way of, I guess, getting out in front of it or acknowledging it was. That's Jimmy. Víctor. Yes.

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What? Yes. Walk by me. Yeah, I forgot.

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I forgot that that was the same day I went to a good friend, Freddie's funeral.

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And it was it wasn't as that because he was sick. So in a way, it's like, you know, suffering ends and everyone's dressed in black is like, sorry for your loss.

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No sex tape. That was quite the combo. White.

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I forgot about that day that things move. My mind is going. I forget things just happened. I live in the moment.

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But yeah, for a sex tape, pretty insane.

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Cam showed a bunch of sites come along, try to offer you a deal. No one most searched video on pornhub was me day porn.

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I like no one. Did you give it a search to make sure.

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No people told me that I double checked someone in the unboxing sent me a black of it to frame it. I don't like talking about it because it's a federal federal offense.

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And I know girl wants to be a co-star in my videos.

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I don't know.

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No, but some may like porn stars may but.

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Yeah, but I guess so we're we'll we're will kind of go with that. Was is there anything more on that. I know the last time we talked on the radio, you said you were in the process of taking legal action.

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Yeah, we want to make examples out of people because the second one dropped and I'd be surprised if more to drop. But that's why we have to make I'd like someone to go to prison so no one dares do it again. Yeah.

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How many videos are out there? I have no idea. Yeah, you're just kind of Lucy Goosey about it.

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Well, I don't I wouldn't say I'm Lucy Goosey about it, but the videos are very old.

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Yeah, they're not like recently. So, you know, I never dream people will be interested in my sex life.

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So I think they're all the way. The first and the second one we were released. We're like identical. Like it wasn't somebody just haphazardly putting it out there. They sent it to a ton of people are a company like Brandos. I look at this weird account and I think it was the same.

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I think they're connected. So however, they got the first I think they got multiple.

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And do you have any leads or suspicions or anything like that? I have no fucking clue. OK, so is it awkward, like when you see Jeff Bagwell now, is it kind of like a fun laugh a little bit?

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Again, I'm being dead serious because I don't want more out there. Yeah, yeah. It's I feel bad. Very bad. Like the girls freak out. Yeah. It's like, what the fuck is that out there. It's like, I don't know. And then we get it down. If it was just me I could give a fuck less. Yeah.

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And I could vouch for you there too. Like you made it very clear, especially when the second came out. You're like, hey, nobody talk about this shit serious. Yeah. So I could absolutely vomit.

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It's not if there was absolutely no face in anything and it was just me, my face and no other girl like you could see and he had no distinguishing I can give a fuck less.

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OK, and that's why you know. Yeah. Under very understandable. So that's kind of where that's at. But that's where kind of the year starts. I guess that kind of dips into late twenty nineteen and I'll run through it really quick and that will kind of go from there. So then February National buys a thirty six percent stake a barstool for one hundred sixty three million puts you in the triple digit millionaire and net worth on paper.

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Yep.

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I keep saying on paper because a lot of it is stock and we get into Pan National stock tanks to three dollars Davíð day traders, born caller daddy drama, faceless Twitter account postlude content and attempt to cancel you. You interview the president in the Rose Garden. Deion Sanders is hired and then the barstool sports book launches last weekend. Quite a fucking year, Dave, right? I mean, I would have them boxing in there, young boxing phenomenon.

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And I would have like my frozen pizza views. I probably saved like twenty to thirty, like businesses during the quarter, maybe not that much I did.

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What how did know your spot, the Noki place or what was it. What do you get the place. You said do you see it all the time. They sent you to Giacomo's. How did they recover you.

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I think I haven't talked to them a little bit, but I think they're I.

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I hope so. I don't know what the rules are. Massachusets, I don't I don't know if they're indoor dining is allowed, hopefully is hanging and the food's unbelievable. Clearly. Yeah.

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I just, you know, people of updates and shit like. Yeah, it's like a fucking shark tank. Yeah. Follow up. So let's go to the second thing, obviously, Penn National. Fucking huge deal. So you go from kind of the tape to that, that's right. You announce it's Super Bowl week, right? Have you done anything yet? Have you made, like, a fuck you purchase? Uh, yes. Can you tell us?

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I bought a house. OK, but I'm not going to say where anything like that because like Nantucket Beat with the last time I was there was becoming a little bit like over the top with people.

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So I'm so open with my life generally, and I don't care. I make videos and do everything. But last on Nantucket, that was like a kid who was like hiding in the bushes, taking, like videos of me. There's people ringing the doorbell, my doorbell at all hours. People drop like there's no there was no privacy when I'm on vacation and I don't care when I'm out in public, I'll talk to anybody, come up, say hello.

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But like, when I'm on vacation, my backyard, I don't really want people, like, making videos of me through the trees.

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So I'm far more now kind of becoming aware that I can just be like, oh, I got a place here and I live because wherever I go now, like even when we were in Fort Lauderdale, like guys and I like people showing up at the fucking house. And it's a little weird that there's no sense of privacy and we're so open and our crowd like views us as friends.

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So I am trying to be a little more protective with like, hey, I'm here, but I bought a house.

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OK, yeah. Because not everyone likes you as well. Correct. I don't worry about that generally. Fans. Yeah. Because I assume at some point in your life, whether it be in five years, 10 years, you do want privacy. I mean or do you think you'll ever be completely off the grid?

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I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know what type of celebrity level I'm at now.

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I don't not like I did a picture of you of Bon Jovi yesterday, Bon Jovi's fucking Bon Jovi, right. He's never going to have privacy's Bon Jovi. I'm not like close to that in certain athletes, no matter when they go out.

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But I think with Internet and what I do, like, my star will fade. So I will if I stop, like, I'll kind of go away and we'll have privacy maybe. Who knows? I'd even I don't think I would but miss the other, like, right now.

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I think our star barstools, like I've never been as well known as I am right now, so I have zero privacy for the most part, like the other fucking paparazzi. I feel like they're in my back pocket or I've like it everywhere I go.

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They I'm on like some websites. They're taking, like walking there's de port and I walk on the street and I sat down and had dinner with this. It's everything I do now.

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What do you think? That's what's really flipped the pizza. Is it because it's crazy? It is like when did you hit me? I don't remember that exactly a while ago. You're almost at two. Yeah. And that happened.

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Well, and I can't grow like. I'm like. Instagram Bandz, my growth, like I, I'm a shadow man, so I would be far more if people could.

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Yes. Wow. So yeah, I hear you like it's at the point it's a combo of everything.

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The the and it's probably the same with everybody here. I'm known by a lot of different ways like or I should say how people know me. There's a big group who just know me from pizza and it spans every age, every demo. I've told this story. But boy, a dude whose stories like my girlfriend loves pizza reviews but hates Basel and like I didn't have the heart to tell her it was the same person, like. So pizza's a huge demo call her daddy opened me to a gigantically new demo.

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Like girls freak out like college girls because they not like, oh, I want to fuck them or anything like that. They're like, that's that's the guy who like was in the middle of the drama. They didn't have any idea who I was. So that is a totally new world that opened to me that they may not know me from anywhere else. Then I have what I would say, like the bar stool. People who have followed me forever know all of it in the story, you know.

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So it really and then people that now there's the finance community who like knows me as like this kind of irreverent, like stock CEO type celebrity CEO guy so that people just know me different ways. But so I never know what people are going to like, yell at me like I was with gas the other day and he was someone was yelling stock symbols. He's like now a stock symbols before us. Pizza that's call her daddy is like something else. You never know what they're you never know when people see my face like what their first or could be like.

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I fucking hate him. He's like a racist. You just never know.

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Which is crazy because back in the day it was viva. Correct. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Dave right. You go through stuff.

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It's what's hot. Like when PMT was really exploding, it was like a party and they almost do me jokes. I don't listen to it. What? I don't even get what you're saying. But it would be a PMG joke that I didn't get caller daddy when that exploded. Where's Alex? I wanna meet Alex. Like, that was huge.

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Now it's like that's the number one thing currently, like, hey, I took this trade or this that like stocks always go up, that I get a lot of that.

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Yeah, I think I looked at reply's either day you come on like a Stephen Chan video and someone's like, alright, let's get back to stocks now. Yeah. Well, yeah. Are you kidding me.

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It's like, oh well Stephen J. I mean he's tough to he's, he's tough to handle. Right. Yeah, he definitely is.

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But I definitely we're going to get to all that and but I want to talk more about the deal specifically in February now that you could kind of go back. Was there any kind of interaction with these guys that have been with you and the foxhole for so long or maybe Erica, like after the fact, like a cool something cool that happened, like, you know, like like a memorable story, I guess, after the fact.

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No, I mean, it was all surreal. It's all surreal. And for the most part, like hopefully everybody who is with us and Milton, when this thing's all said and done, we'll be like millionaires. That to me was always like my favorites, like the core guys, like we did it we all. And who would have dreamed it and like Kevin and I, who have, you know, not always seen eye to eye, but it's like when you sit him down, it's like you can't say anything.

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He was like, dude, you're set basically for life.

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So that is that was super exciting. But then it also the way the deal is structured, there's fucking a ton of pressure on us.

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And I've talked about a little bit and and like so it wasn't. It may be OK, take a deep breath, congratulations, but it's like we go right back to work, like the guys who can take the deep breath and be like, yep, we nailed that one was like the chant of guys, you know, they made a fucking shit ton and I made a shit ton. But it's not there yet. Like I signed a mutt, like I was planning my next step.

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It's like I'm going to stay with barstool. I go do something else on my own, you know, move to Boston, turn in at that point, had not stepped up with, like a contract that I was even remotely close to considering. So and I had supreme confidence, like, well, I'll just go do my own thing and be fine.

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So when we did the deal, I signed a much longer like it's I started the whole so I had to reset and rejigger.

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Basically I was looking at the next five to ten years of my life.

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Mm hmm. Yeah. And it's so is it kind of your 17 years in now. Right. And like you're it's safe to say there's a lot of points. We were pretty burned out. Right.

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Like, do you feel like, well, I don't know, burned out this reinvade because I love gambling. So if you told me I can, like, be at the forefront of this movement, that's like a dream job.

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That's I've said it. That's why how I tried to stop Burstall. That's what I want to do before. So that was great.

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I got burned out. I don't say burned out. I worked really, really fucking hard during quarantine, especially the beginning, like back to old school where I wasn't even sleeping, like I don't think people understood what the unboxing was like, which was like, what, three weeks a month like it?

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I was doing the day trading the inbox and my apartment was a war zone, like there was so much trash.

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I didn't have a second to myself cleaning crews over there. By the time they clean my apartment so I could just sit down on the couch, I had to do it again. It was taking me five hours. So I was really working hard in the pizza reviews, the frozen pizzas. It was just a lot.

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And then a lot of shit happened at this company. And I fairly criticized to a degree, but.

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I felt like and, you know, I felt like a lot of people didn't have like my back and it's like I was breaking my back in my mind, like for everybody. I got this other thing I'm doing with Penn and people are making it harder on everybody here that pissed me off.

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And thank God, to be honest, that it was Gornstein during that time because I wasn't seeing people like face to face and I was able to cool down a little bit and people may listen and be like, what were you mad about?

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People should be mad at you, but at a very different take on it and still left a sour taste in my mouth to a degree of people didn't appreciate what we had here and how it was built and how hard I was working like I felt.

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Obviously people working hard other than me, but I felt like a still like top one to three hardest workers during quarantine where others should be able to put your feet up a little bit, not as like put your feet up, but to then go fucking drag me across the Internet, my own guys.

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That that didn't sit too great with me.

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Mm hmm. And, you know, now the deal is kind of, you know, in the past and everything, you know, we're launching. Is there anything you talk about?

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Who's close, who was close? Nobody. Nobody else. OK, we met with every gambling company in the world. We weren't close with any of them is stunning to me for I don't know whether the reason was that we weren't on brand like too too risky. How would Wall Street react with, like, ESPN? Are we going to do a deal with these guys and then just get roasted because we did a deal with them? You know, I don't know if that was a hesitation.

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I also think there was an element we've done business with. A lot of the companies we were talking to is like, what are we buying? We already have access to their audience. We've already exhausted it. And I was saying in the meetings, it's like we've gotten to the point where we deal with so many different gambling companies is one after another that it's all whitewash.

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No one's getting the true like we're putting everything behind it. And like when we would do a Fanjul or draft kings, nobody's like felt like they were a team thing. Like you weren't always supported by Basel, by doing draft kings, that those days are gone.

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And I said, when we do this and we go all in, it'll be night and day. So I think those two factors, the people like we already have access to their audience. We already know what we get out of them. And the risk factor, because we didn't get an offer, there was no offer. I was stunned. And it was like, jeez, like we're never going to get off. And then Penn came along and I love Jay Snowden.

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The first time MCO, we clicked, he he needed us. We needed them and we named our price.

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And Chernin is not I we talking about this in the last interview, Chernin, our professional negotiators. So they named a price and I was comfortable like, oh, that's we're not going to get that price. And there was no negotiate. They said yes.

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So then that deal happens in February, mid-March, Corona hits stock tanks. Yeah. Were you ever nervous at a point?

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No, I fucked up, so I bought three million dollars worth of penstock the day we rang the Nasdaq. You didn't put that on?

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I rang the bell of the Nasdaq stock exchange pretty crazy and then tanked. Right. Right. That day was the worst day in the history of the stock market.

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To that point, we were literally popping champagne bottles and confetti and clapping.

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And people are like jumping off bridges. It was the worst day ever. It was only Bastable could do that.

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And it's so amazing how it just works out for you in Basel, where it's like it could be the worst thing or the best thing.

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And we got the worst. Yeah, it was the worst ever. And then so I bought three million dollars of penstock with my own money not included in the deal at twenty nine bucks.

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And that it was that day I bought it because all of Penn was there and we were like having a pep talk with each other, like we're going to fucking kill it.

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Corona's in China, come in here and like this, like all our casinos in the US, people think fuckin we're getting judged by what's happened in China.

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I'm like, fuck right. I'm in because it went from twenty six to thirty nine back down to twenty six am my I'm fucking but so I bought three million of it, went down to four bucks so I'm like all right, I kiss that money goodbye.

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I wasn't nervous because I'm like all right, if the thing if we go out of business then what it's like I guess I get the company back and I just start over. I'll be like, I'll figure something out. And I'm not as much as much as I talk about stocks and money. I'm not a money. I like people. I let you know when I have it. And it's like part of what I like having it. But I never started it for this.

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I don't have like a family. I would be fine. So it's like I don't care. I figure something else out.

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You'd rather win like the competition come to win. And that wasn't.

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That there was nothing I could do, it wasn't like I fucked up or we didn't do this or I didn't work hard enough. It's like, all right, KORONA But what I mean, that that shit never bothers me. Shit that's outside my control. Like, even when I do it, like the blackout or back to school when it was failing with Basel, I never have a problem really. Was shit like that.

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Like I don't like when I lose on stupid shit, but Korona it's like, all right, what is nothing I can do here. Almost everybody lost. Yeah. So it's hands up.

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There's literally nothing. We we got bought by casino company in the casinos got shut down. Oh well what do I do now. I was ever nervous. I think they were, but they didn't lead on, and that's part of why I like drawing. I wish everyone here bought stock when I was four. They make more than me. They'd be millionaires. You know, I wish people that I didn't do it because I was like, OK, I don't know what that.

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I don't know if they're being honest. I mean, they weren't really telling me anything. And Pen keeps me at an arm's length distance because I'm doing this doctoring of what's going on.

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Like this morning, they did a big stock offering, which is always bad for the stock. The stock crashed like they told me late last night, like I've been buying Penstock all along with my own money, like just keep buying goes up. I buy more. I like betting on myself. I'm gonna fucking kill it. I got fucking murdered. It's like I would like to know they were doing that because I could save myself a couple million. So it's like that sucks.

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Yeah. And and then so that's kind of. Are you is the day trading thing here to stay. I haven't decided now that I'm getting busier, it's like I have a lot of money in play and I can't pay attention to what's going on. So it's hard. I don't know. It's a really good demo and I enjoy it, but I don't know our stock guys. Weird. No, no, no, it's not like I don't know what you mean by, like the average stock guy, the average finance guy, the average Wall Street guy, not weird, very BASTABLE, the people who are on like Twitter, like Fynn Twit and like saying they know what they're doing.

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They're just scumbags. They used car salesmen.

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Yeah, because that's what I that's kind of what I see. Like, that's what they are. They're used car salesmen. My introduction is I guess, you know, they are it. It would be the equivalent of somebody, like, damning you out of the blue being like, hey, you looking for a new used car? That's what they do. They're salesmen. They're, you know, the guys who say they know what they're doing or how.

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It's like if you're so good at being towed, why do you need my money? Like you should be fucking making on your own. You know, you should be smoking.

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And I would always invest. If I'm going to invest my money, I want to have to convince you that I that you'll allow me to give you my money to invest, not reverse, like the good ones should have. You know, fucking A-list people with tons of money is like, no, I'm good. I don't need you like that. So I want to invest with.

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Yeah, no, that makes sense. Not some fucking guy on Twitter who's like doesn't know me damn. And be like, hey, give me some money to invest some smarts. Like I doubt it.

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No thanks, I'm OK. So then right around that time as well. Color daddy stuff happens. Yeah. Absurd. Yeah absurd.

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The whole internet was just problem with the number one thing in terms of news that happened for me in terms of people being aware of it. I mean it was everybody knew what happened was crazy. Yeah.

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It was crazy. So what's the deal with Alex now? Like is she is she gone like she's here?

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So she sees her contract does end soon and we will make a strong effort to keep her. She'll be obviously will have to pay a lot more than what she gets. Now, we both own the brand. So if she goes somewhere else, that's half hours, half hers. And Alex is a fucking monster, I think she. Like, if you had to say who's the most well-known person at this company, obviously the top three are Dan, myself and her, how we would order them.

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My instinct would probably be. Her and I are very, very close. She could be ahead, I could be ahead and Dan's probably second, but obviously like Superwoman, but Alex is fucking well known and a monster like I love the people here.

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I feel I feel he has changed a little bit. We're like and she was a dickhead, clearly, and she'll admit that. She's like the most profitable human we have at this company is by a wide margin. Yeah, I mean, you know, we can't say, but the numbers are like that. Thank you, Alex.

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So it was all we've had at times, like the dog with a chopper and a dog like, oh, Dave didn't make her do that is like. She's paying a lot of people's salaries here like it's a good deal for everybody. So, yeah, she's a monster. Same thing is before we let her do our own thing, like she was in L.A. for a while, like she just she kills it and you want to keep her.

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You said you're going to be strong to keep her. OK, any talk any word from Sophia? No, not a nothing.

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No, I heard a rumor she signed with an agency or something, but now she's still under contract, technically. No, she's she's out. We did party papers.

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OK, Scooter Braun. I mean, that was another big thing out of that sort of Bronco scooter Bronco that people love that that.

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Well, I hear so many, like I would say more on the celebrity.

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Like if you brush shoulders with people like the entertainment or agent they seem to love. That like I was talking to well-known like music group, and they were trying to like explain that, like they brought up the Scooter Braun thing and I think what that is. So for those who don't know, basically I'm friends with this guy become very friendly. Actually, this dude, Dave Grobman, who runs Miami, owns live like story, bunch of restaurants, clubs, A-list celebrities at left and right, big art guy, big art guy.

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And he called me is like, hey, I have Scooter Braun on the other line.

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It's up to you whether you want to talk to him or don't want to talk to him. But like, it's about the caller that is like I'll talk to him. But everything I say is on the record like it. I'm happy to talk to him. So we talk to him.

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And a lot of what he said, I just it he was nice enough, but it didn't make any sense to me.

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He's like, you know, I don't even know them. It's like, well, why you call him? He just said whatever. So but I think he originally thought the vibe I got was when he said, oh, Scooter Braun, like, let Sophia come back. I was going, oh, OK. Well, Ron said, Sophia has to come back. So, you know, you better come back.

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And this is like I don't like I don't give a fuck who Scooter Braun is.

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And that was the video I made in. The musician I was talking to was like, he's such a big deal. He is. He's like Bieber's guy. And he bought what? Taylor so his music, he's just has all these connections. I'm probably underestimating how much or involved he is. So when you're in that history, no one can, like, do that.

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Be like I don't give a fuck who you are in our world.

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I really don't give a fuck who anybody is. So but it was just like I.

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What do you you he didn't give me any reason at any point to be like, OK, it just really felt like his logic or argument was going to be on Scooter Braun.

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And and I talk to they hung up. He was through they call. Oh yeah.

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Grobman listen. Oh really. Yeah. So Scooter Braun hung up and then I talked to Grobman, who's also like a celebrity. Guys, I tried to tell him he's dealing with a terrorist.

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That's unbelievable.

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Yeah, that's unbelievable.

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It was the one thing he's like, I'm very good friends with Erika Nardini and I talked to Erika and she's like, I don't have a cell phone number. So it's like I just talked to Erika. She doesn't have your cell phone. So how close friends can you guys be? They did know each other from previous life. Yeah.

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Was a funny call. And it was more just I think it was different worlds. It's sometimes almost like the financial community. You get into our world and you haven't done the research on our world or me. And it's just like, OK, you are dealing with somebody who truly doesn't give a fuck like who anybody is. Tom Brady, give a fuck. There's like three of those.

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Yeah, there's not there's not a lot. And it all stems from core barstool like these kind of side things. That gives a fuck. Right, exactly.

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And it's I'm always willing to pack it up like I love everything we have. But, you know, it's like some guys it's the Batman, like some guys like to watch the world burn. I'm not that. But if I'm like super principled or on something like I don't there's no amount of money, there's nothing like that would cause me just be like, well, you've pended something where I thought they broke their word to me.

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They lied to me. They knew they're going to lie to me. I would burn the place to the ground. Burn it to the ground. Yeah, I would. Wow. And then Scooter Braun, obviously, they're not I mean, just an example, just an example, I mean, those people tend to take themselves pretty seriously. Did you hear from back channels? Like, did he find that funny? Was he mad?

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Well, according to what I heard to him, his friends are like Passell guys. So they're like Boston is at balls about it.

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He handled it well. Like, I think he's like, fuck, man.

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I get what what happened. Like, we did talk after and we ended, like amicably. There was one other thing. Like I, I oh there was like somebody made a video, like a spoof that I had to tweet that it was so good. But no, he, he ended well and he's like, what are you to do. It's like if you go back it's like just going to degenerate into worse.

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Standing with Goodell. Scooter Braun pops in a pizza review and it's like I would say, like I get along with him.

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I have no there was no animosity. He just because he was just really at nothing and that's what I said is like this had nothing to do with Scooter Braun. This was like us, like the fact that Sophia thought Scooter Braun was somehow going to fix us, like, oh, Scott Brown called. But I have no problem with Scott Braun. He wasn't a character in this play. He just happened to like almost when you walk into, like an accident, he's like he just walked into a train wreck at the wrong time, you know?

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Exactly. He was the final the final straw. Any word from Superman? Any conversation. Never talk to him.

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Never talk to him. I hated him before this all. I mean, I was aware of his existence, like Erica had told me about his existence.

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I always got the vibe he thought he was smarter than like us before, so even before Alex is like, can I just I just want to meet somehow I'll sit down with him and like, I just got the vibe.

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He thought he was smarter than me. Everybody else. Erica told a story like she had like lunch with him before we knew how much he didn't like us. He like was half an hour late to lunch with Erica is like, who the fuck are you? So. And he talked with disdain, which I always found weird, like he thought was sexist. And all this shit, it's like your girlfriend's on the raunchiest thing we do.

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So I didn't like him before it even exploded to the point we did. But then once I got the details and in it sound like he was really like the mastermind, my rage for him went to like new levels.

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Yeah, very much an ivory tower guy. Yes. All we were too lowbrow. Correct. And for your call her daddy podcast.

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Yeah. I mean, you see the way the guy speaks, it's like it's you know, it's absurd. It's absurd. You're going to have different ends of the spectrum. And not to be honest, I always before the caller daoudi shit like it really broke down.

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I always thought Sophea really liked me and like, Alex was the plotter.

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And then I don't know about Alex like me or didn't like me, but I miss I always thought Sophie and I like got along. I didn't talk to her that much because Alex is always the point of contact. But when Alex I Sofia hates you and hates Vassos, I really I didn't know that.

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Where did that come from? Yeah, we're that. And it had to be because she did it in the beginning. Like I thought, we always go like for a long time. But given the give and take in the office called her daddy, I really thought it was shtick. Like I really thought, oh yeah.

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Like the video of you in the office and yeah. Like like that.

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It started turning later when the. Oh yeah.

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The first they got like a lawyer or an email a lawyer to like represent them. And I got this email that was so out of character for the way they talked. It was like super professional and words that like it's like they don't talk like this. So I just read all of them and I was like, don't ever have your fucking lawyer write an email for you and pretend it's you again.

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If you want to fucking talk to me, I door's open. Yeah, let's talk.

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And from that, it was all down, not because of that, but they were already getting the whispers in the area and they were underpaid relative to the market at the time.

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But it's the baseball analogy which I said a million times. You signed a three year deal with the Red Sox and you're nobody knows who you are. And then all of a sudden you hit 50 home runs at the All-Star break.

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You can't pick up your shit. I'm going to the Yankees because they'll pay more like that's why we signed, you know, the podcast industry is kind of structured that way, correct?

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Exactly. And who knows what would happen if they didn't sign with us. But they're not. Everybody's like that.

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Everyone wants you blow up no different than like the music industry. You hear people suing their band labels all the time, the record labels, once they explode. And I said, but for every ten that you have explode, you spent a million bucks on nine that didn't it? It's a give and take for sure.

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For sure. And is there anything now that, you know, the train is back on the tracks for them, is there anything that you could kind of divulge now that happened back then? Or do you remember anything that was kind of overly quiet at the time? But now that we're back, kind of like, oh, I was pretty public with it.

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Yeah, yeah. OK, moving along here, the Facebook Twitter account, posting old content and attempt to cancel you.

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What are you I mean, this is one of those things where we talked on Sirius, on Chicago radio. And where do you what do you look back on that right now? Like what? Everything that happened, like you alluded to a little bit earlier.

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Yeah, it was high tensions. And I get you know, there's things I certainly. Didn't do great like I shouldn't, that first video response I had, which electronic cancel, I mean, whoever did that was I should have been far clearer because I do want to have all our employees backs. And this is such a tough area because tensions are so high on every different spectrum with Black Lives Matter and everything that's going on in this country.

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And I was very centric. I guess I'm looking at Passell world like everything I look at in the world and maybe not bigger like societal issues.

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And maybe it was the factor of like I'm used to the Milton days. And whether you like me or don't like me, I know you. You like don't. I've never been called like he's a racist or I'm not.

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And now that's what everyone is not a racist will say. But I firmly believe that. I think my actions have like spoken to that. Like, I mean, look at fucking Tuomo is the other a complex like we hired Telmo, we've had women. It's you got to look at the whole. Function of events and even the clips that they're like dragging up on me and like fucking Muj is all over Twitter dropping bombs. Privately. And I'm like singing a lyric from a fuckin song.

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I just thought people at my back caught me off guard when people in my back and not only did I have my back like our own people and again, you can look at, well, you have to draw attention to it, exasperate the situation like it by the more we talked, it became a bigger issue and more ammo for people like us. And it frustrated me greatly. It's like this is what I've been fucking work my dick off to get, like, sabotaged almost.

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So, yeah, that that bothered me. I get it. There's things I don't understand.

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And when I talk to Trill, it's like I get that and, you know, talk to the million dollars for the game.

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And everybody is like different points of view on it.

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And I've just come I'm just never like going to talk publicly about it because you can't win and I don't wanna hurt the company and there's no gain to it. So it sucked.

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Yeah. And then obviously you brought up Tril. He left. Yeah. I don't, I don't I don't know if it was by design, but I didn't see any comments anywhere. It was there in front of me. Yeah. Yeah.

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No I mean I wanted him to stay. I talked to him to stay. He chose to leave. We talked a little bit about it when he left and you know, it's his decision.

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I wish he stayed. I think he's doing well.

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But anything that's like me drawing attention to it would do like I talk to him privately.

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So me drawing attention to it publicly is just again, that would be like ammo for people, you know, that I didn't people would use whatever I said.

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So I said what I had to say to him or wish them luck.

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You know, to be honest, I didn't know drill all that great like he wasn't in the office.

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I knew everyone liked him and things like that. But everything I said to him was private. And, you know, he may I think there are things that he maybe didn't like liked. I didn't listen to his podcast at the end because it's kind of like, OK, he cut bait. And I don't worry about my guys in the locker room and not be like Belichick, but like, if you left, you left. I got to worry about the guys here.

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Someone said he wasn't happy because I want to brand new man that time. Like I said, I have people's back. But he said at some point something clicked in that it's not just the trail, but it's like I'm going to stop walking on eggshells right now. And just when I called, you know what it's like. I see people saying, like, we're going to miss Muj. It's like, well, we fucking talk him out here.

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So, you know, I wish he stayed. I wish he stayed, but he had to do what is right for him. Yeah.

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Was there anyone during that whole thing that you were particularly disappointed with that didn't have your back? No, I won't say one person more than other, I mean, everyone looks out after their own asses. There probably wasn't much benefit.

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To it from any perspective, same reasons, but no, it was just overall, I just felt like it was a zero, like the only person I remember ever saying something where I'm like, thank you.

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Is fucking the white rapper Jessica. Yeah, yeah. He was like the only one. And maybe there were a couple others, but it's like. It was crazy.

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Yeah, it wasn't crazy, it's just like we're having people over here like Randy Newman and Muj are like and not Tril, but Brent Brandyn Newman, Muj like dictating how if you don't know us like they're the voices that are coming out.

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They've been here for a combined like three seconds and people calling like employees of bosses like they've been here for like three fucking seconds, you know, so that that bothered me.

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And that's why I try to be honest.

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And whether he liked what I said or didn't like what I said, I knew he was here for a while. So like, I had a long conversation, tried to do my point. I can't make someone agree with my point or understand my point of view and say it's right. Like, I know Willie and I had a heated conversation and he totally disagreed with what I was saying. And we still probably disagree on a lot of the issue of what happened.

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But yeah, it was more the new guys like, huh, what's going like? It's a great place to work. I know it's a great place to work. I know we do things better than most and it's like we're just getting dragged and I usually don't care of outside people drag me.

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But it was like felt like it was coming from the inside. Oh, private. After that everyone like we have like I think fucking chops is like I literally like dive. I'd take a bullet like right in the face. It's a lot of people came out after but yeah. It sucked.

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Have you seen Brandon Newman since you've been back. Pass them in the hallways. We haven't talked. No, there's been nothing. No. OK, if you want to come and talk like. I here's my eye once I start talking, I'm pretty fucking open now, and so it's like I thought whether I should go on the radio should do this.

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It's like at some point this is an issue that I just don't want to really.

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Now, do you think it's bubbling? Do you think it's still there? Do you think we're kind of past it? Where do you think we're at on the whole thing, in your estimation? No. Well, the office is just kind of getting going again, and I think it's sort of getting back to normal a little bit. I wasn't here. I was totally gone, but it's definitely eased like I when this first happened, like I was ready to come in here with, like, my head on fire, but.

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A couple of months off, and it's like everything cools the world still so fucked up, and that doesn't. Like a lot of, I'm sure, what Brannaman or anybody like the legitimate issues, and it doesn't, I look at where sometimes maybe the line blurs. I'm very BASTABLE focused, which somebody you open your eyes do. There's a world going on all the shit, but it's almost like MJ when he's playing and like, I am focused on BASTABLE.

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So it's like if you're hurting Bastable, that that's where I like and I'm not looking at. So I'm not saying that's right or wrong because there's more important issues in Basel, but my life is Basel. So that can create a rift.

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You know, you're kind of you're it's been ingrained in you since 2003 to pretty much only be locked in.

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And by the way, I'll go to my grave. Whoever did those videos, they weren't doing it for some societal change. They're doing it to get at me and get a barstool. And we I kind of played into it. That's how I look at now. You can look at it from the outside, like these are things we should talk about. So there are two sides of the story.

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Is there like a major lesson that you kind of learned or anything that this is like an underlying thing there, that where it's like, I know the company is bigger now?

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Like, I don't know everybody. Like, I just refuse to believe that somebody who knows me would ever think there's an ounce of racism or anything like I am an asshole, but that's just not who I am and never has been. And I think the track record kind of shows it.

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So, you know, it's everything because, again, I talk like while guilty and to something like, we know you're not racist, like we met with you. We know so.

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But everyone has their own opinion and experiences.

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Mm hmm. Is there any plan now for Bartel's NBA coverage now that mix tapes done?

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No, I mean, Koelie, obviously still here. You know, we almost signed Matt Barnes, OK? It's so crazy that he has a huge podcast. Yeah. With Stephen Jackson. No, is that right?

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Yeah. And he got in trouble or something right after.

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But it just shows how this issue is so crazily different, because the reason Barnes was interested in coming here is he liked how I handled it. He's like, I'm so sick of like people just backtracking and apologizing like I listen to it. I don't think you're racist. And it's like I actually liked that. You were like, no, that's me. I'm being, like, honest. And if you want to talk, so everything is different. And we almost tried to make that deal just to like because so much shit was swirling.

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But the Internet does move fast.

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And in the scheme of the real fucking issues going on right now, like we're such a we're nothing.

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Yeah. What happened with that deal? Is there anything just fucking super expensive? Oh, really? Like super where they got showtime that I say.

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I think they may they may have been on Showtime. That was like a TV show they had. Yeah. I don't know if I end up with a network or what it looks like there with Showtime.

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They were I think before. So I don't know if they did something else too.

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OK, anything more on that before we kind of move on? No, I mean, the world's a fucking crazy place.

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It almost is like a different version.

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It was a crazy place with, like, the YouTube movement and now the racist shit that's going on in this country, obviously. And it's just a crazy place. The world's a crazy place and.

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Especially to be doing comedy and trying to make people laugh, it's easy to step into areas would be like, what the fuck are you doing?

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I mean, that's like everyone they tried to cancel. Yeah, like obviously for our haters.

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But if you looked it was like, Joergen me fuckin you know, Jimmy Kimmel was one after another every day it was somebody else. Dig back in the annals of time being like they said this eight years ago was like, all right. Well, I mean, yeah, made fun.

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Everybody. Was there any kind of internal thing maybe from Penn where, like, did they get scared? I know. And that means we picked the right partner.

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Like there's they got put to the fire right away and Sean has been put to the fire and. Both of them, you know, they didn't they they stood by, which is not easy to do in those situations. So that to me, just kind of like solidified. All right. We got the right guys here.

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Mm hmm. So then summer goes on, you get a call. Who called you to interview Trump? I think, Kevin, I think that he's like I was in Nantucket and I'd heard that we don't grumblings before that he want to meet but never happened. I never put much faith in it.

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But it was like a Wednesday afternoon. And I got the call that he wanted me to interview him in the Rose Garden the next day.

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I was like, oh, for real? So, yeah, got that. That's how that came about. And Kevin's your assistant or whatever.

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Yeah. He's like the new Frankie type guy.

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OK, so you go do that and I mean, I assume what I mean you said there was a second interview done or what was that on your list or what was something about. I forget exactly what it was, but regardless, the biggest interview I've ever done, clearly the like the only one. Yeah, exactly.

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Besides, you know, not telling Dan, was there anything else you kind of go back on there or was are you fully OK with. Kind of. I'm fully OK.

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I wish I wish I told Dan clearly. You know, one of the things I'm truly not political. Some people don't believe that. But I am. It goes back to what I just said, I'm build the brand, build the brand, build the brand, build the brand, Fox News wants me No. One fuckin show on television, build the brand, build the brand. I keep doing Jordan quotes. I'm not saying, but like red states, blue what you got criticized for, but like red states, blue states buy t shirts.

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That's all. I fucking look at the world. It's like, OK, expand the brand President. United States. I knew people who didn't like me.

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It would validate what they thought about me and I knew people like Trump. I mean, 70 million votes. You have to go interview the president. I wish to ask Dan. I asked like. Inner circle people to do well, I guess, Renee, my parents, my dad, who hates fucking Trump, is like you do it, Erica. Your dad did. No. Yeah. Oh no, no, no.

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I know he did that after I talked to me like you have to once it blew up with the darn thing. And, you know, I clearly wish.

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It's too sad, honestly, I wish we asked them. But he definitely wouldn't have wanted to be done, and I don't know if it would have been like worse because then what it's like if he's like, I'm going to quit, if you go do it, like, then what? Yeah.

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And I think I think a big issue kind of here is like, how do you let people know that they'll where it's like it's not about who it is. It's about you trying to build a brand and you trying to, you know, just maximize everything. Right. Like, I don't know. And that goes with everything. Like people. Well, they don't know me. And now it's like well, like we just talk about people you from caller daddy, people know you from the stocks.

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I don't know how that happens, you know, and it's like they don't remember the guy who it's like in the Astrovan, you know. Right. And I think that's an ongoing thing.

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We had that early. Still, it's one of the things, the themes ongoing that we had on the early rundowns. And they probably still disagree. But like I'm an egomaniac, it's all about me. But I've always kind of it's not or else I wanted to hired like Kevin and tried other cities, like I was trying to build a business always. That's why this is here.

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And you can't do it like one person.

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But that's just an ongoing like would I take a like I've said. Yes. People say now would Dave and I take a back seat if it meant it was better for the business? I would say I would want gazillion percent. Do that take a lot of people here would be like, nope, his ego is too big. I know. I would like I'm doing what is best for like I I was in a back seat for content for a long time and then I went back to the forefront during growing.

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But I even used to talk about Africa is like as I wasn't sure what my deal was going to be with Chernin and I wasn't in content. I'm like, if I leave, I'm hurting myself because I'm kind of not doing a lot of stuff and I'm going to need that stuff if I go back out on my own. But I was doing business stuff, not being in front of the camera. So that's just an ongoing thing.

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And you set it to like, listen, as an old school stooling myself, you've always said, would Henry care if the revolution made more than the Red Sox, correct? Yes. That was your quote, word for word. And I maintain that here.

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If if you told me, I never would be on camera. But you're guaranteeing this. I would do it in a fucking second, like I'm core to what we do and what I do resonates ads, everything business, getting people to sign up for the app. So that's the world, at least how I view it.

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Was that the worst blow out you've had within? Yeah, I was as mad, like I thought apologize, like, what do you want to do? I can't take it back like. Yes, and he was livid. He I mean, he fucking hates Trump. Know, I think that's that's a lot of it in a lot of people do. He's not like the minority there in my head, which I get what he's saying. He thinks in that respect, like what I did, bled on to him, like now he has to talk about and he didn't want to hear about it.

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And I put him in a situation that was unfair to him. And if you're that like, I can see that I and that's the thing, too.

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And Dan and I, it's true. He literally just wants to show up and he wants to laugh. He wants to make people laugh. He wants to do jokes. Right. That's a fact like that. And people are always playing the Danco. That's not like that's legitimate him. Right. Like, if there was none of the controversy on line, like he is so far away from, he doesn't like it's not middle man. He just literally that's not why he has this job.

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And Kevin, obviously in the beginning, but like Dan and I in that unintentional respect, have helped each other very much. And that's why it's been a good team, because I obviously do not care about controversy at all and don't care when people say they fucking hate me or any. I do not care. I'll engage in it. And that controversy builds audience everything like you needed that to stand out. Dan is so likable. Everyone likes him. So you get introduced to him and then we both drag people in.

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My audience sees him and likes him. His can see mine. Maybe not like me, but it's like it works like you have one guy who is I think most people say like the most likable human. Then you have one person who is very unlikable at times, but people like. So it's a good combo.

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It's a yin and the yang in a way. Then what is this? You just kind of said we got to we got to move past it like there was up to him. Yeah.

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He I never thought he was going to. First of all, he's wildly tied in to Penn. Right. I did ask Penn that was the other people asked was like Penn, Erica, Renee. That's those and gals and motherfucking guys. No, but those are. And then frankly, like the other people who came in, like it wasn't like we told them.

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The main reason we weren't telling anybody is I feel like any time we tell anybody goes everywhere. So we're trying to keep it like a secret, you know? So I didn't want it out. It was trying to keep it primarily because I want to trick my dad. It was trying to keep it like as bottled up. So only the people there was, like, nobody telling anything. Nothing, no pictures, nothing. So it was keeping it super tight.

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But he dad's super titan with Penn.

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So if he quit, you were in fact. But beyond that, I never thought he was going to like like he was fucking pissed.

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He was pissed. I mean, you understood his point, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then I think he at the end of the day, he understood why you did it. But it's just like, hey, if I'm if I'm here with you rang the bell and totally. Totally. Yeah but yeah.

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He's he's passionate about this issue, like, I mean, we don't talk to each other on, like, content things, but this was such a big deal. I get it. I totally get it. Yeah.

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And, you know, there was nothing where it's like he might have said no or you don't think there was like he wasn't like was he left in the dark because you thought he'd say no, there was none of that.

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So it wasn't really like forethought. Mm hmm. It really wasn't like we're going to intentionally keep him in the dark.

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That wasn't it? No, it just wasn't like I knew we wouldn't like it. But because he doesn't want to be political and stuff like that, but it wasn't, oh my God, we're not going to tell Dan intentionally, you know, like I don't even know that I would have said anything if he didn't reach out and be, like, really mad. That's what I didn't see that coming.

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But then once he explained, it is like, yeah, I wish I told you. And then I was in a sense.

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Have you kind of reversed course here, though? Because I think there was what was it a couple of weeks ago with the Trista, a blog about Steve Nash and where were you at? Now, as far as like barstool and politics, we're always not supposed to do politics.

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But when the president of the United States asks you for an interview that's going to be such publicity and such everything. And the interview is pretty like cookie cutter.

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That's different than writing like a salacious headline on politics from somebody who hasn't been here very long.

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Very different, so and as the world continues to be like more divisive and stuff. Whatever you write on these issues, half the people are going to hate having a like it's not we won't get make people out back to, like, focusing on that.

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And this is a different it's a tetanus am. Like, what I can do is far different than one. Obviously, I can do different what Dan dance like. I need to write a political blog or something. No one's going to tell him no. You know, that's so it certain people you get do more, get away with more for whatever their reasons may be like than would never do that. But I won't tell them. No, almost everything I do is intended to build audience and help everybody truly.

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So it really is person to person.

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So boom, we kind of turn the corner here and the summer football season is about to start. We hired Deon Sanders. Is that the biggest person you've ever hired? Well, A-Rod. Yeah, that's true, too, is he going to play? I know, yeah, he's huge. He's awesome. He's he's a thousand times better than I thought I was going to be. Really? Yeah. You never know with these big athletes.

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Well, because let's be honest, probably under 50 percent at this point with our success rate at BASTABLE with with.

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Yeah, yeah. Probably less. He's he's just like you can say whatever he wants on me, he gets it all. He's different than the person I thought would be. But yeah, he's great.

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So I don't want to set that up because he's always with them. How do your conversation go with him. Was did you fly down there. We did like a zoom.

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Erica met with him a couple times in Dallas. Eric is like an awesome salesman, GM to get people like she's very convincing. And then it was off and running and he's been like all in on offices. He's just I don't know how he has time in the day, but he's been fucking great.

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And were you surprised you took the Jackson State job? No, no. Was that really like I know you said you talked about it, but did you think it was such a possibility two weeks into the season of year one?

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Well, I don't know. Just on basis of the fact I don't know who hires a coach like I know. Are they playing? And they covid. I don't know.

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But I am he's a busy guy who loves coaching football. And he has he was coaching his son's team. So every time he met with them, he talked about coaching. So it doesn't surprise him.

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No. And there's no worry that this is going to. I mean, if you want to go coach football. You can do that, I think we'd always do stuff with them. It would change the contract, but that's not something like. That that wouldn't bother me at all. You're not worried. You're not worrying about it, right? I guess. No. I mean, if he can't do the show, well, we'll do a show without I mean, he's going to do what he's that's like such a lateral move.

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It's like do what you want to do, Don. Yeah. It's like if somebody here is like, I want to go be a doctor, it's like, OK, be a go be a doctor.

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There's two totally different things so that we kind of move into this past week on the Sportsbook app is launched in Pennsylvania. Big moment for you. Like you actually, you know, you sent an email. How can you go into that personally with the what was it? What was the email? You said something along the lines of like, this is really a big deal to me. Like, it's pretty personal.

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Like this is something that I've been, you know, oh, email to the employees like. Well, that was the audience, was it? Maybe. Maybe I was on a fucking I was you must be your email me and like I was I was registered.

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Sorry.

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Yeah. That's why I know. Yeah. Yeah I sent that everybody OK.

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And it is it it's something we've been building for. It's a huge moment. It's a moment in time that will dictate the future of this company. So I think a lot of the I sent that to our our database, our readers, we try not to send emails to, but it is if you've been with us for 17 years or whatever it is, I look, it's us versus them. You support us as the next big step. We need your support.

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We need everybody support. It's a big undertaking. We're the underdog again. We're going against companies with huge fucking budgets, fucking years head start on us. So it's like all hands on deck. It's one of those moments.

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I know everyone's probably asking this. Why is it only Pennsylvania like you? Seemingly. I'm in Chicago, Illinois. Illinois's legal. Can't you seemingly just be like, yes, you're good there. What's you got to get legalized in every state individually?

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It's a long process and the plan is to be there and to roll out state by state. And each state varies like this. A state that had Pennsylvania had ten, ten books already in it and people have huge head start. So you roll out there and then probably a lot will dictate where we go, like a state like Michigan, which is not legal yet. If we're ready to go on day one, we're in a we have a much better shot of succeeding than when everyone's at the starting line at the same time.

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So that'll play a factor.

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But it'll roll out and it's like want to test it. If you're in all the states at once, it crashes. So but we'll be there.

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But if we're like is legal in Illinois already, right. Yeah.

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So we're already behind. So does it matter if we're behind like another two months? Probably not because we're already behind. Whereas if a state is not starting for a month and it hasn't been legal yet, that state most likely will be a priority.

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OK, and the launch was huge, right? It was a very good success. It it was very successful.

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It had to be if the launches and successful, you're fucking cooked.

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So now we guys just continue the momentum. OK, what's the future here? You're fairly maybe for like a month or so, do you. Yeah, until the next day.

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OK, and I'm not 100 percent sure when or where the next state is. So Philly pretty because we got to be there, gamble and then.

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Yeah, I'll keep going to states as they launch. Maybe not you guys because you're there in Chicago, but most states I'll I'll be in when we launch.

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You'll be out there for extended period of time. Yeah. Does it the competition like now when you see the other guys, you know, draft Kings fan does that kind of. Is that what's going to go in again?

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Yeah, I like competition. I like knowing I shouldn't say like but like I operate like almost a fear mode, like, OK, what's my competition doing? And I know these guys. I haven't had competition like this since I've been doing it like when I launch was ESPN was a newspaper, they weren't I didn't view them were so directly competing with these guys now. And they have such a fucking head start and a build up and we're bigger. So everyone's hearing what I'm saying.

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A lot of promises, a lot of things being said. And we are the underdog, so. It's it's very motivating and like, you know, I lose sleep. Thinking about it. Yeah, well, that's good, though, because, like you said, there really hasn't been a direct bar. So I mean, there was Junior there for a little bit. Right.

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But there's never been anything like this where every month I'm going to see the numbers in black and white, like where we at, like how are we doing?

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Or these guys, that type of shit was Tacho. Toshiro. Oh yeah. Begoing long. Why he I watched that.

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I did that live YouTube to see if I would laugh legitimately. I have no problem autogyro. But you know I never thought everyone thought I would talk show.

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Talk show. It's not that funny. I'm right. His own jokes. He's got a team of writers. Yes, that's a fact. So that's kind of the timeline there. I'm sure, you know, as this podcast goes, we're going to turn the sportsbook a lot. But there's kind of some little things here, obviously, that we want to get into. There was a big spat with Kirk and Kaye Marco where he met with Kim, American Idol.

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You said that's the most mad you ever been with the camera. And I are doing great. I was very mad at him in that because I just he's been with us for so long and I have basically a loyalty, but I just didn't know how he posted that from fucking Zonker of all people.

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And you give Kirk a wrench and he's just a guy. You don't give a wrench.

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You know, you just don't get rich because he's just going to keep hitting you with it is exhausting.

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So I was very upset with him and I was upset with him about the Trista blog, how that that Trista blog she wrote. That headline was so ridiculous, Gas sent it to me and the way he phrases like. He said like this, Deadspin, shall we talk about it? And I thought he meant like. Deadspin wrote it, do we should we mention it might not just ignore it, and then I found out later it was us and there's a I don't know what the fuck Trista was doing with that headline or that article because I thought it was pretty clear to stay away from it.

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And B, there's a major disconnect when my social teams like we're not going to push this out because inflammatory, we don't want to rile people up yet. It's on the blog, like how to one group of people realize it instantly and the other did it. So that that bothered me greatly, too, especially coming off the heels of the Minahan stuff. It's like what? Like this is very important not to be doing this.

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Yeah. And is it that got past him somehow or what. I didn't get an answer that I thought was satisfactory on how that got up. It's all I know is that I posted to you through that and that's on his shoulders.

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Yes. I mean, he saw it. He knew about he talked to Twitter about it. OK, now that she is publishing power as a. Oh, no, that's what I'm saying. Oh, OK.

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Because obviously there's a yeah, there are no he posted it so that that was a I mean, I asked him point blank, does like privacy, are you like do you have an agenda. Like what, what's going on here? Because I don't understand how this got posted.

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And he's like, no, I don't. As I was it I guess I didn't realize it was bad.

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I believe I've no reason not to believe them. But it it if you didn't think that was a bad. Then we got to get a little bit more careful on what's going on here, and I shouldn't say bad like and what your viewpoint is, but controversial in a way.

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We don't want controversy because I think you said it best where it's like it doesn't matter. You're fine with Trista having that opinion, but when it's on barstool, then it's it's taken as a whole. Correct.

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And you're, you know, going in half, the people are going to fucking hate it, like you just know it. And half will be like, OK, good.

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But like, why are we like what is the advantage to pissing for our world? Again, people can be like, Dave, you're too fucking look at his business in the world. Fall apart. I don't care. That's how I'm looking. I'm looking from barstool. That's it. So why do we want to piss off half the people who follow us with something like that? What's the gain? There is none. What? Let's just not touch it.

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ElectraNet. Yeah. Not allowed to talk about it, OK? We both, like she went our way, had her reasons. But I mean, I didn't lose too much, I didn't talk to her much anyways, but when she left, I had nothing to do with her leaving. Whatever it was, she goes on our way and blah, blah, blah. OK, but we're not allowed to really I'm not allowed to really divulge. Yeah, OK.

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What about I mean, this is a little more and you know, kind of. Our veins still, Brandon and Walker, you seem a little mad at him this week, he seemed to mad at him like actually in the summer to. Yeah, I was madam in the summer when he complained for mercy to Africa, he he was getting too big for his britches, like, shut the fuck up. And we've been here for ten seconds. You're complaining about, like, Kirk being mean to Kate.

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And I love Kate. Kate, like one of my favorite people here. Awesome. But she wrote an article that a lot of people had issue with.

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If you put that out, I really can't complain when Kirk or whoever go out, you you got to take your medicine and they're crazy and. Yes, but I don't need Brian Walker.

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Then be like, when is enough enough when you're beating people up in the hallway. So, yeah, that and then the sportsbook stuff.

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I was joking with the overspenders club to a degree. It was a huge thing.

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He was not promoting the sports book, Brian Walker, that I had a problem with. Like, you can do whatever you want, but like that to me, surprising from Brandon.

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Not sweet at all about it. One one. One. One, people who weren't doing the work here who are like, so to me, that's like someone who's forgetting where they were like a year ago because how do you think you're here? How do you think we have money? It's like shit like this. Otherwise you're still in Mississippi in a basement. So it's like, what are you doing by not any incentive to do it. So that bothered me.

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It's like, what the fuck are you doing? He apologized for it.

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And we move on and he's talented.

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So he has more leeway. And I do like them. But at some level I, I don't know what's going on them, but. We're fine, I truly like Brandon, and I've said that to him, like, if I'm not riding, you are saying shit publicly then. Then I'd worry, but that was that he's just going to get better at that and be like the goal is to make money so we all have money.

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Hmm. Rico had to sit down, go. How did we get him on camera? What would happen there?

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I saw he I think he sees an opportunity, you know, with pen and everything and the stock and to really have this be something. So he approached me. But I mean, he's an insane. And I told the story.

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I mean, he he literally in his head things like the pen deal in like the house in Philly in the livestream. Was all one giant plan to squeeze him out. He honestly thought that, so I mean, we're dealing with a nut.

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I saw what a walking insane asylum he is. I love them, but he's a walking insane asylum. He thought that, like, when he was in the house, he said that in a way off camera. He's like I say, no, I'm not going to say it. And he didn't want to say it like we had to. As I watch where you go, what he litterers, na na, you're going to make fun. I don't want to say it.

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And finally, he's like, fine. So he was being dead serious.

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I mean, where can you find something that the the arrogance to think that this has been basically the Truman Show like this is all leading up 17 years set Enrico up just so he gets to the pinnacle.

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You can squeeze him out like he honestly believed that it was like he thinks his Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the whole town's in on it. Yeah.

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I mean, that that is what makes him great. There is nothing fake about him.

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He is he thinks he's in on the joke, but he actually never is, which makes it very unique.

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Incredible. But even still, it's crazy, man. There was talks and talks and talks. No, I'm not going to do it. I'm going to do it. It finally happened. Like, are you even you've got to be kind of stunned in a way that it finally happened to.

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Yeah, I mean, it's it's monumental. Yeah.

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And he's so funny. So good. He's just a one in a bazillion guy. Yeah. It's hard to believe. It's hard to believe. He's not full time though, right. No, it's not easy.

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He has like a set schedule stuff but yeah he's always I remember the first time I went to dinner with him, Meedan and him talking about him doing more.

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And there was somebody he had a problem with who was like tweeting at or leaving comments in the whole dinner was like, but Rico, if you come full time, people can say stuff.

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You can't get mad. You can't say, I know. It's a shtick I get is like I'm just acting, playing a role. It's like, OK, OK, we got up from dinner and then as we're walking down, he goes, Can you tell me who that guy is though? I just want to like, reach out to him.

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Like, he just he, he doesn't he'll always like his blocking serious.

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Yeah. He'll always have that pit bull in them. Yeah. No matter how comfortable he gets, everything's very personal. He doesn't get like that.

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It's the Internet and that's the beauty of it. Right. Yeah, exactly. I saw Nate dog kind of chirping at you. He wants to five to six o'clock so that had to be a joke.

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You think so. Yeah, it had to be. He knows how talentless I think he is when it comes to that stuff.

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But what do you have to lose? What's what's wrong if you put them on for an hour because he's got a blog and regardless of how horrific the show is and trust me, it'd be horrific that he gets his whets, his appetite, and it's hard to get them back to just why.

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He's a blogger. He's a blogger. Good blogger. Very good blogger. Mm. I was covered. I don't think we touched that.

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I well I've had twice. You've had it twice.

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Twice. I think you get it twice now. You can. I did. I didn't get tested the first time by no at it. Same exact thing happened so I just got super tired, knocked out for like two or three days like barely out of bed sweats a lot. I never lost taste, nothing. I was never like I'm dying. I could always breathe. I was just exhausted, wiped out and sweaty. And then for like the next two weeks, I'd be wiped out.

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By the end of the day, like by seven or eight p.m., I'd want to go to bed. That was it. Yeah. Yeah, man. Twice. That's rough. You know, I think I'm kind of at the end here. Was there kind of anything else there?

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And that whole chunk to see with his goes? I mean, I think people have heard a lot of those stories, but I'm very interested to see where it goes. As far as the podcast, what do you think?

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What's what do you want to do with this? I guess I don't care.

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It's just as easy as for me to talk to him from I mean, I don't know.

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And that's I mean, that's something that's all everyone to. We do have an email open and stay part of our show at Basel Sports. I can't reach out to if something we didn't cover here or something we're not covering in the future weeks. Let us know. We'll read your email will kind of go through it that way, too, because I know obviously stuff I miss and you kind of got to be on. Like I told Michelangelo here, if if you ever seen the show recess, he needs to be a Randol.

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He needs to be like writing everything down.

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So we could we could kind of guard the course of the week.

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I mean, there's a lot there's so much that goes on behind the scenes that people don't see. I like we at one point we're like, let's have, you know, let's have a camera. Follow me, because we have a fascinating show. There's so much that people don't see in the day to day life of running barstool and have no idea.

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And, you know, I'm still involved almost in everything. So there's and there's yelling at people like I ripped Kevin a new asshole the other day. I fight in there. What? Oh, Kevin, your ID. He got Franky's beats like you messed up.

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I'm very like in the Philly house, like, hey, we need beanbags for more people to sit. Like, that's I'll say we should get some bean bags here.

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And then they're not. They're. Like, why say that I expected Don, like it's one of those things like I'm not saying it for my health, it's like beanbags. Let's do it. Yeah. So a couple of those things happen. I just it's like when I say it's not like a suggestion, it's like I expect it to be done and like, done quickly. Mm hmm.

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So, yeah. So let us know because obviously we want to keep this going and just kind of, you know, like you said, people want to hear you talk about the shit. So that's what we're here to do. And I guess we'll end on this not just for the record keeping sake. How many jerseys did Muja actually sell?

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How many did he sell? I think it was like, you know, like teens, I say, you got it. Oh, come on.

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I know, I know, I know. It is not much. I don't even understand it at first. I didn't even understand it.

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Yeah, that was my instinct was right on him. I call him the fucking the first time I met him enough to call down like your douche bag. Like I would not hire you if they didn't make me.

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Turns out I was right about that.

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Yeah, you definitely were right about that. But yeah, I think that's it. Like I said, we're still figuring out drop dates and everything. So that's the first one. It'll be at least weekly if it goes well, maybe more. Who knows. Yeah, but make sure that email, Dave and I will be here every week and yeah, we'll be giving you whatever you want to hear about Barstow's. So that's it for today. And we'll catch you next week.

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Right.