All right, bang, bang. Welcome to another episode of The Day, part of our show with Eddie and CO obviously it's a Tuesday, so things are going to be a little different. We got Dave here. It's myself. It's going to be kind of coming out today. Yeah. So it I think it Dave, it's going to be a little Joe Rogan esque, so that's why you got to subscribe. OK, so if you subscribe, you're a busy guy.

You don't know when we're going to get you. Obviously you're going out of town later this week. So we're doing this on a Tuesday. So I think it's just kind of best if we just kind of go because by Thursday, you know, shit could be stale and, you know, who knows what's going to happen on a crazy one.

So Joe Rogan releases what is that backdrop that you guys. That's just a carpet of flooring.

It's a moving blanket. Jesus. So Rogan just drops as randomly.

Yeah. He's got no rhyme or reason. He just whatever he wants to, you know, whenever he wants to go, he goes and he goes for like five hours. I know he goes long.

I've never listened to it, believe it or not. Really. I don't think so. Five hours to able barely get ten minutes. I know.

People know. Yeah I know you don't have that much time. Actually I do have a Joe Rogan topic here because I kind of got a mix here. I will start with kind of newsiest news stories that kind of relates to bar stool and then we'll move into it office stuff. Let's start with Rogan there. I'm sure you've seen the story. Spotify, he just signed that big Hajira hundred million dollar mega deal. And there's been kind of an uprising against him at first.

They wanted the employees wanted to look through his content, make sure they were fact checking everything. And they want to scrub out stuff they deemed, I guess, wrong or unnecessary. And the CEO told him to fuck off. And then now it sounds like the employees might be striking based on reports out of Spotify. What's your thoughts on that? And obviously, I got to get into if there was a partial uprising, who would lead that charge here?

Well, I mean, we live in a world. Would it's a crazy world like the Spotify employees who have a problem with Joe Rogan, I'm sure, you know, they happily cashed their paychecks and want money and want a job and want all that.

But then the guy is going to help pay the bills they have a problem with. So, you know, I fucking.

The hell was that, was that I think that was that was on our end. We're good. We're back. What was that?

Do you hear me now? Yeah, but what was that? That was my my headphone cord, my I took my headphones out really quick. I didn't do that.

So, yeah, I mean, everyone knows how I feel about that. I got sued for, you know, making jokes about, oh, there's a union here and I crushin and got gotten all sorts of trouble even though it was clearly a joke. Who would leave it lead an uprising here. I mean, you know the answers to that.

And I'm sure it's similar to the Spotify situation where like the people making noise and nobody's and losers and that's what it would be here is and losers like people who they could, you know, they could create an uprising.

And if the train was going by just pushing them onto the tracks, like, who fucking cares? There's nobody here, I believe, who would cause an uprising that I give to two dams worth. So, I mean, it's the usual suspects we have. Fuck. Do you think it is that you want me to put it? I mean, it's not hard to find out who I don't like around here if I don't make eye contact with you in these hallways.

You know, I hate your guts.

Well, yeah, I actually do want you to name names because I think people like when you name everybody already knows who I hate.

And we live in a different world, Eddie, where like things I say can be used against me down the road and like a court of law and shit like that, because they probably fucking wouldn't be here if we didn't live in that world.

The locks would be changed.

But people listen, if you've been following anything that I do, you should be able to figure out, you know, who I fucking hate, who I think doesn't belong here. I'm not. Yeah, because it gets me in fucking trouble. Not with you. Like, I don't care if people do it.

We have people here who I have such little trust in. It's such a little faith in that anything they do to, like, try to make us look bad, I expect them to do so.

Why would I? Mammo.

That's a good point. So, yeah. What's that like for you? I guess as a guy who like literally you started the company. No one is. I just ignored the outside of you trying to pry it out of me.

People know who it is. I just fucking ignore them. They're like ghosts. I don't fucking see them.

But do you feel like you should have to. You started this thing.

Well, I listen like Joe Rogan. He took a one hundred million dollar payday. I've made myself a lot of fucking money.

And that comes with the territory. You know it. You know. My God, guys, one of the worst hire of all time. He just has no sense of the moment. He has no sense of a guy. So I don't do all the hiring. My guys never turn on me if I hired you. You don't turn on me like Michelangelo, like, hey, we've got to get him a fucking salary.

I know Michelangelo is never gasifiers and it's a different world over there. He's a revolving door of of problems. OK, so legitimately, you'd put a lot of the onus here on gas 100 percent. Go, go, go connect the dots. That guy, that guy. And I'm not saying clearly he's hired.

A lot of people are very good people, I might add. For all I know, Michelangelo came in through him.

But gas gas is a problem. His character judgment sucks.

He lets too many foxes into the henhouse. He he does it.

Listen, you don't need a Trojan horse with gas. Gas. You just walk right in the front door. You just see just parts in the ass as you're walking by.

You know, what's interesting enough is I have a couple reader or listener emails just how where you come from.

McLauchlan hired me off process. What do you think about how launch locations hiring? I think it's been good so far as a different crowd, I guess, I guess it's different. Creola Johnson, good.

Would you believe so? Like I said, we got some listener emails. Yeah. And someone's like, hey, can you guys provide a little bit more context? Because like we talked about there, some stock people in here. There's some call daddy people in here, they don't really know. The origins are like, hey, can you tell us who gadgets. So I guess in your best words, you thought you said he was the worst hire, but how do you not know who they're Gazza's?

I don't know my guy. Number one, he's patient zero.

I mean, so he stole sales guy. When I started the company, there were no employees and he was friends with Rene. Obviously, everyone knows my ex-wife.

And he knew her, it was basically like, hey, if he approach if I sell t shirts, can I have a job because I had no money to pay?

I'm like, yes, I bought 3000 t shirts for Paul to hand out gas sales guy outside of Fenway Park.

So he went there for like two minutes. And then he comes back three minutes later. He's like, oh, you need a permit.

I can't sell those. It's like, well, maybe do the research. So I stuck with three thousand T-shirts I couldn't sell.

And Paul and I basically he's been with me ever since he tried to do sales. He makes it seem like he did sales. He didn't. He now runs our social media and he ran the blackout tour. And he has worked fairly hard at times. But now he's pretty good at finding like social media guys below him that do all the work.

Well, I don't know what he does.

He hires Bennett dance and you guys got into it, what was it, three weeks ago or you were mad at him? The opening weekend of college football weekend?

I think he would. A decent amount. Yeah, well, he was asleep, so it was the first week in college football we got Penn, you know, the sportsbook gambling, very important.

And like eleven thirty, eleven, thirty one, eleven fifty. And I'm trying to like, figure out our strategy, how we're going to cover it.

And his guys like Jack Mack, who's awesome, you know, and, and Kareem who's awesome.

So let me say this. He gets good guys like Kareem and Jack Mack.

Awesome. Like, I love both of them and they work their dicks off because of sleep. He was just sleeping through kickoff.

It's like, come on, man.

I mean, the guy the guy goes to bed at eight p.m. He's the head of our social media, like game seven of the finals. He'll be fast asleep. He.

He's got it, but, you know, he put in the time, you know, he put in the time he's been here for fucking 15 years, he's seen it all. He knows where the bodies are buried. I think he would take a bullet for me.

But, you know, he. He coasts and correct me if I'm wrong, like we talked about last year. He is. And he's in the millionaire's club, right?

Yeah, he's a millionaire. Most of the people in Milton will be millionaires, if not all.

Now that he doesn't have it, it's on paper, just like everybody else. But he's a millionaire.

Imagine that fucking bald fuck chewing gum, eating sandwiches loudly. One of the most selfish guys who ever lived in terms of like he's an I guy.

I remember the blackout tour. That was a number one complaint always about Paul is if he had a girl lined up, he'd delay the whole tour. And if he didn't, you had to be out of there in two minutes. So he's a Hugi guy, but, yeah, he's he's in the millionaire club.

So wait, you said most of Melton's. So who would you who would you go off of there? I mean, I don't think I think Heidelberg cut into that.

Yeah, they should be they should be seven figure guys before this is said and done. Nice, I kind of feel bad now, like guys help me out this outline, I feel like we just skewered him so well, let me tell you this.

There's nothing he hasn't heard before because I saw him in the hall for the first time in two months yesterday. He probably just left like fucking one of my houses crashing or something.

But I saw him for the first time the other day.

And I'm like, oh, is the guy hasn't done anything. He just rolled his eyes. I mean, I was in Philadelphia for the launch and he was going to stay at my apartment in New York because he doesn't have a place to stay. I'm like, why you just come to Philadelphia? I have an extra room. He said, all right, fine.

The fact he wasn't already coming to Philadelphia for the launch of the fucking sports book to help out with Social One, he's the head of Social should tell you. And I don't think he has plans to ever be back there. He's got his entire team, like entrenched doing social. The most important thing we've done. He has no intention of being there. None that should tell you everything you have to know about what he's thinking. He'll get to him who ride me like a mule.

I'm I'm everywhere doing everything. And he's just. Yeah, I think it's that video of the penny stock price of like us singing Creed and we're all playing the instruments and he's crowd surfing. Someone put him in just crowd surfing.

That sums up his entire existence of basketball.

And listen, just to be clear here, you don't fire people. So he's hung on and that's just the way it's going to be. He's he could do what he wants, right? Well, he certainly can now. And he has, like he worked hard on the blackout tour, no doubt he's worked, he's helped, but he knows this company and he knows the fiber and he knows I implicitly trust him. And loyalty is a huge there is no price tag on loyalty.

Has he deserved the right to coast? A little bit? Probably.

But he's never been close to being, like, fired.

And to be honest, I trust him almost more for anything of like, hey, look at this is as funny as this bar stool. Like he knows it inside out. He his eyes are basically my eyes when looking at something. So he has value. He's just on cost time.

So you said you've never been close to firing him. Like I asked you about Big Cat last week, what's the most you got into with guys? I know that was at Super Bowl two years ago when he was there was that Clay Travis thing where, you know, RPR booked booked you on his show or something in Clay, you know, that screenshot and, you know, turn it into a big thing.

Yeah, yeah. I got mad on that. But we've had a couple of huge blowouts.

I mean, you've got to remember, this is.

We've been through the wars like we did in the blackout, where I used to get a call from him, like once every couple of weeks in the middle of mayhem, basically being like it's 2:00 a.m. I'm not fucking, I don't know, some theater in Podunk, wherever I'm at the Stone Pony Thunder, the dawn just hit a kid in the eye with a fucking confetti cork. The riot police are coming and kids are rioting. Hey, Dave, what do you want me to do?

It's like, I don't fucking know, guys, I'm not there.

So, I mean, I've been through we've had probably not as much recently, but when we were really in the thick of it, we'd scream at each other every once in, I know, six months, maybe more at him.

But he gets it now. I mean, he takes it, brushes it off and goes along.

He's never been close to being if if you're loyal and I know you mean well, I know you want the company to succeed as much as I do.

You're never going to get fired ever. And rightfully so, like especially in this day and age. It's like, again, you can't put a price tag on somebody who honestly still feels like they're part of the company. I know they die for a company. I know they'd like, care about it as much as I do.

And and there are still the great thing about Vaslav. There's still a lot of those people don't make it. Sometimes when I complain about the other, I'm used to it being everybody. But I know we still have a large group of like kabasele people who care about it and what it stands for and all that shit as much as I do. I'm just the nature of grown of two hundred and fifty people. I don't do all the hiring anymore. So it's a little different that there's a small, you know, renegade group who I know don't give a fuck and maybe actually want to bring it down.

And then he brought up that Blackwater issue where, you know, Tonto, the don someone gets hit in the face. Now, that was a different life for you. You're married. You aren't going to those for the most part. Is there a part of you that's like kind of happy you dogit her that you didn't have to go on the road? Are you like kind of would you like to experience.

No, I would have never. Those are super stressful. Always. Always. So no, I, I'm glad nothing would have changed. I would have never been like a roadie on the blackout's or. And like you just said, like there's a lot of renegades that you would never really let go of anyone who really cared about barstool in your eyes. Has there ever been a situation where maybe someone's contract was renewed or something else happened where you that weighed into your decision?

They weren't right or die for barstool? No, I don't think so. I'm trying to think of anybody, can I bring one up? Yeah. So I would say some people were under the impression that maybe the Frances thing that somewhat weighed into your decision. Is there any truth to that?

Yeah, I've been very clear about that, Frances, to give a fuck less about Passell. I mean, he never cared about Basel, but that was he used Basel, which I have no problem with.

He use it as a stepping stone for his own career, which is fine. That's very normal.

However, he he was problematic in some of the things he'd say where he's super talented. I've always said this. I like France. I think he's a fucking crazy person. But if Francis was like Rayder di bar stool, I would have gone to bat for him and dealt with the negative blowback that was going to come from him writing the blog he did, which was idiotic, but he wasn't.

So it's like it was pretty easy and it did help. Like even when we got like when he got fired and that article went viral, most people weren't like, oh it's BASTABLE because we fired him. That would have been a major thing if, like, he was still here. And I like Francis. But, you know, Francis was a guy who complained about every fucking ad he was asked to do, never want to do it. He he just like was all about him all the time.

So if you have a guy like that, like I had more complaints about from our sales staff, about Francis than anybody we've ever had him unwilling to do ads.

So you have a guy like that and then he's starting to put you in bad positions.

It's a pretty easy decision to be like, got to get rid of them. Wow.

Like you would do the Instagram swipe ups and one that didn't want to do any of it. Sales hate sales hated him. Wow.

So would you I mean, do you still think he's super talented, though? I think everybody across the board does.

Would you want lottery. And I like him. It's like I don't not like Francis. I think he's super talented. But, you know, sometimes it just isn't worth the squeeze.

Would you rule out a reunion? Hmm, no, not totally. He's a guy there's certain guys, again, I consider myself a very loyal person. I mean, he's still fucking here.

And like, I just look at Francis as a commodity if he can help us. Sure. If I think he can help us. Sure. If I don't know, there's not going to be any, like, emotion. And what I, I look at Francis as meatloaf, like, is it a good meatloaf? Maybe I'll eat it. Is it bad meatloaf? I don't want it.

But that's interesting there, Dave, though, because you just basically said you're down for mercenaries. You're OK with that. But you but at the same time, you want you want people you're not used to people who don't bleed barstool. That kind of contradicts.

No, no, because again, it almost goes back to the first one. If I think a mercenary or somebody can help barstool, it's worth it.

I just will cut ties and hopefully you pick the right person who isn't like a saboteur, you know, but we've got to grow and we've blown away from the mercenaries a little bit.

I would say France is a mercenary because when I think mercenary, I think of people like bigger followings, more well-known, like that's going to bring a big crowd. And some have failed. Some have been good, like Deon's awesome. We've had all the guys in our past clearly that haven't. So, you know, I'm always looking like what can help barstool. But then the second part of that is even if you can't help barstool and I think you bleed barstool like you are pretty safe here, if you're a mercenary, then you're not.

And back to Spotify, obviously, we opened this with the Joe Rogan story. Have we ever talked to them? They're throwing out huge deals. I think our podcast network is pretty damn big at this point. It's top four on that list that Erica and Michaela always post. Has there been any discussion?

They're not really. I'm not quite sure why that's like would be more of an Erica thing, I think. And I don't know if I've heard grumblings. They think we're not safe enough for them, but then they got Rogen.

But Rogan's probably safer than we are in a way, reputation wise at least. So I don't know. I really don't have an answer for that. It is surprising to me as well.

And everyone wants to know this is a big emailed question as well. Have you ever been asked to do dojos show? No, no, never. I mean, communication with him, obviously you would. Yes, 100 percent. But no, I've never, never communicated with him ever. Not once. OK, and then, you know, let's let's kind of shifted over to someone who actually likes you, I don't know if you saw that I'm going to Michelangelo pull the audio right now, but Colin Cowherd had some nice things to say about you.

Did you see this?

I did see it. It was in regard to, like, the backwards hat. Yeah, yeah, we were flying back, so I was like, not really I wasn't online when this I saw it, I think. It was essentially the backward hat, the Wendt's, and it's like I dress like an idiot, but then I put on a suit to go see the president. So you dress appropriately and call Chowan, whatever they call hard. Doesn't think of backwards hat during a football game is appropriate.

Am I right? Is that the nutshell? Yes.

Some like that is just like he's a you throw a lot of compliments away, though. That's.

Yeah, well, he did Erica's podcast and I do think now he's come around to being like a fan. So what's the question?

Well, I guess my question is, obviously, you seem to like people who like you. And, you know, if if there's a situation here where you could sign someone like that, is that on the table? Like, do we talk to a guy like Rosillo before he went to the ringer?

Yeah, I talked to Rosillo decent amount. I mean, I've known Rosillo for fucking ever. I knew, like, Rosillo got indirectly his break in this business through me. So I mean, I've known and I say indirectly, he was working at Fifteen Ten The Zone, which is now defunct radio station in Boston. And he was literally on the air, I think.

One hundred hours a day, he was on every show, on that channel every day, with the exception of one hour, and that one hour a week was the power hour, me, McShay and Elio. Other than that, you got that like one hour a week and the rest was Rosillo. We met him. McShay and Rosillo became friends. And I'm pretty sure McShay facilitated him getting into ESPN and then he blew up from there. So yeah, he would be good fit here.

He was in L.A. So that's a huge factor, I think in and why it didn't work out and wanted huge dollars. So for us, the huge he's a good fit. Huge dollars is tough for us.

Doesn't generally work.

Is there anyone else there? I know there are a lot of rumblings about Craig Carton at one point. Yeah, we yeah. They went to jail. So that was before there was no talk after he got out. No, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, because I don't you know, obviously there's a lot of crossover for solo. So I was kind of my I guess to enter the inner to Ursula. Was that now last week? Probably the biggest thing I fucked up on is I forgot to ask you about Diana Goodall, and I know you address this other places.

You talked about it on Minahan, but how did that come to be and what were your conversations about Diane like? That's your number one enemy was passed away.

So we had nothing to do with a deal and asked them to do it. And then Diane knew to a degree that, like, we had beef, he's like, please don't like embarrass me or come over the top. I was like, yeah, I just wanted to mention it. I didn't care, like what I said, I'm Minihan. If Dan or Patty or like, you know, Kevin did it and just ignored it.

And like, then I'd be like, what the fuck? Arch-enemy Deon's so new. He, like Deon was, as I said on the Minahan deal, was getting ready to text LeBron James and be like, oh, you should read Bastable. Like just say you like Bastable. I'm like, yeah, do it, do it. He won't say it. And he's like, of course he will. Is like, well Davis called him the Antichrist and Dave has done this.

And I was like, oh never mind, I'm not going to text them.

So he just doesn't I don't think yet just how deep and long the Goodell hatred is. Like I show in the clown, like he's like, what's that? So, you know, it didn't bother me at all now.

But you did say before you bring up LeBron that if LeBron just had I like basketball, you kind of switch over and be LeBron. Correct. Do you feel that way with Goodell? Depends how he did it. I see LeBron and I aren't personal, he beat the Celtics, I hate LeBron, but like LeBron is never all the things that LeBron is me as a fan. He's never acknowledged.

He's never done anything anti BART like the NFL versus the back and forth.

It's a war like we're at in the cannons and grenades at each other. LeBron is not like that. LeBron is just a superstar athlete that I fucking hate LA for a variety of reasons. But it a lot of people hate LeBron. There is nothing like LeBron hasn't done anything to barstool like Roger Goodell has. He didn't throw me in jail like multiple times.

That makes sense. I guess as a person, you don't like LeBron, though. Like you don't like his character, like you don't like who he is and. Right. You know what he puts out on social, correct, Drew?

Moving on, we got a lot of beef today, so we're going to be going through a lot of beef. Amir Garrett, that was last week that his people reach out at all. He's he's a closer for the Reds.

He's not the closer, actually. He's like he's I guess is a high leverage guy. He's got us all fooled then, I guess.

Yeah, he's not the closer he's a high leverage guy from what I've gathered. He's their best reliever, I think.

But he comes in like whenever in high leverage situations. I've heard historically as well that the Reds are one team in the Major League Baseball that is completely unwilling to work with Bastable, did you know that? No. Yeah. What does that mean? They're one of those reds.

Well, you know, if you want to reach out to an interview with someone and I know that's, you know, someone like that, that's weird to say because somebody like, oh, Trevor Bauer does shit with, you know, Jared all the time. But I've heard before that is like an organization trying to go through that. You're just like, oh, this is this is from our baseball guys here that it's like White Sox.

Dave. Yes.

Is really anything he says straight from his mouth. Yeah. I don't believe that that there's no that there's no relationship with the Reds at all. Well, I mean, maybe there's no relationship.

I don't see the Reds like the Reds just hate us. That's it.

Like the one team, Major League Baseball, the Cincinnati Reds. Why is he trying to work with the Reds?

I don't know, just to get people on the show and stuff like that. I guess I. But Trevor Bauer has done like lots, right? Yeah, Trevor Brewer has done a lot. I know he's done a lot with Jared and, you know, starting nine, but like I said from if you go through like there, if you go through, like, the official route, like through their PR and stock, who's exhausting?

Like trying to talk to you on the Cincinnati Reds? I honestly don't know. I know that there's been someone and it just didn't it was like completely all from White Sox days, mouth from White Sox to.

Yeah, you know, I don't put much stock in anything.

He says I like them. I just put no stock in anything. White Sox, Dave says.

Fair enough. All right. We'll move it into an office storyline's right now. Big thing over the weekend. Sean Avery versus Alex Cooper, it was in page six. Avery was ripping her on our podcast. I guess they live in the same apartment complex and he's doing construction work. Alex is pissed because it's too loud. She's trying to record a podcast. We have some audio here if you want to listen to it from Avery Michelangelo.

If you want to go give it to Dave right now, what person, what person in their right fucking minds thinks that they're so important that they can stop noise around them in New York City? Because, by the way, your apartment's on the second floor. Do you call the Department of Transportation when the buses are too loud because you're fucking tenant? Can't record her podcast. Just just let me know because I'm all ears right now. So this woman proceeds to tell me that she wants me to put I want she wants me to put some sort of phone behind the doors.

I said, so how are we going to open the doors? I was actually because it was so amusing to me, I kind of played along with her. And I really I wanted to listen to the fucking complete and utter bullshit coming out of her mouth.

So that's former NFL player Sean Avery. I should I should clarify. I guess he's kind of come at her pretty hard, but he was on our game time channel.

Well, he's friendly biz biz hater, Trivers, a clown. Whoever is arguing with Sean, Sean, Avery, I'm on the other person's side.

He's a clown. You want to work here then? I even think I earned him.

I got out. And by the way, I'm not there.

But if someone's doing relentless construction in your building, that sucks a little different than outside relentless construction and apartment building. I mean, I assume he had the permits, but that's why you have, you know, the the building, whatever committees to get it approved.

I don't think trying to, like, get less noise.

Nobody wants to be a department where there's nonstop drilling. But beyond that, like Avery page six, this that like how does it get to page six?

Like, are you saying that how did how did this dispute get how do we know about it? Well, he put that on his podcast like like you just heard. So I don't know if they picked it up from there. I don't know. And this is what I'm going to ask, too. Is this kind of do you think this is maybe a cloud thing from Avery?

I think it's a publicity stunt. He's been trying to do this type of stuff. No one cares about him. He's been irrelevant basically since he left the league. It's a way out scoopers a huge fucking star bigger than he ever was, so. So like I read the page six thing and at the end of it, he, like, pushes his podcast and he said he's moving to L.A. to do some fucking podcast that nobody will listen to.

He's also very confident in his ability to be like a Hollywood star.

He said this is probably publicity for his move to L.A. How long has this guy been out of the NHL for?

I don't know, Michelangelo, can he look like a while, right? Yeah, I think like, if you're not, he was somebody I remember when he played he was in the news all the time. Right?

Well, he dated the girl from the girl next door, Elisha Cuthbert. Remember her? Oh, yeah. Pretty girl.

So he's good looking guy. And he made waves. He made waves like I was never talking about.

I know like who he is from when he played, but feel like he's been out of the league in irrelevant for like when I first business, like, hey, Sean Avery wants to work at I who you know, he's he's irrelevant. He's an irrelevant guy who's trying to be relevant in this media world.

He's lucky enough to live next to a true star and Alex Cooper, and he's trying to use that as like leverage. How long has he been on the league?

He retired in twenty. Twelve. So. All right. So, I mean, he's going to be a Hollywood start a decade after he fucking retired.

It's done. He's done so in the public spotlight.

Unless he's an tiff's and he does the bite his he. He's like a gotcha. That's how the only you never hear about Sean Avery in anything unless he's in like a fight dispute or whatever. So, you know, this is Sean. Every one on one. He goes out one of our superstars. I'm obviously going to have my superstars back.

And do you personally dislike him or you just think he's a clown?

I met him for like three seconds, maybe total. I think he's a clown.

I think this move, page six, Avery, like no one fucking cares.

Like, honestly, Alice Cooper is a superstar. Sean Avery, at this point in his life is a nobody like a nobody, you know, like to call her daddy.

There's if you walk down the street and ask a hundred people like who's like no one knows who fucking Sean Avery played in the NHL ten years ago, who cares?

Or beef, Hollywood is going to cast me in as much shit as they can, I drive traffic, I sell tickets, which is maybe the furthest thing from the truth ever said in the history of the world.

He doesn't listen.

If that was true, he'd be working here.

It's a great point. More beef last week, Casey Smith, first Whitlock, they talked about the dye package. Juanfran friend was, you know, the whole thing with Maria Taylor and you know, Katie Nolan. Did you talk to Casey? Was that.

Yeah, come on. I never heard what was actually said by Whitlock. I went I got Casey's interpretation, which so I didn't chime in that much. I know this the Katie Nolan part was a horrible example by Whitlock.

Like Katie Nolan was never hired in my mind because she was like a pretty face. She wasn't a sideline reporter. They thought she was like funny and quirky. Like she's the worst example for that sideline reporters, as I've said a bazillion times. And Casey doesn't disagree. Most of the time you have to be very pretty.

Doesn't mean you don't need talent, too, but it's like a prerequisite for the job. I don't know what Whitlock said exactly. Whitlock said she's been given a million chance, like she's failing upwards, basically like nothing she Katie Nolan and she was fucking Andrew Luck.

I wrote a blog a long fucking time ago. I mean, I don't even think she's falling upwards anymore. Katie Nolan, I don't even know.

Still work was at ESPN. Yeah, she does. She does that love her TV show. Highly questionable. She is like a late night show on the dating app, I believe a late night on the app.

She makes millions of dollars for a late show, late night show on the air. I think it's safe to say her career has not. I don't ever remember somebody with as much hype as she did, like she was a rocket ship without truly accomplishing anything and still really hasn't accomplished anything good for her.

I mean, she made a lot of money, but I don't know what that has to do with looks. Yeah, I got to see kind of submerge those and talked about how those kind of maybe went hand-in-hand with her and how that worked.

I don't think any one I think no one was hired all along because people thought she was obscenely talented. Yeah, and, you know, do you think it's misused by ESPN? Do you think they're not using it correctly or what do you think's going on? Some people are just good in certain spots. I have no idea.

I mean, she was I don't know. She didn't do much at Fox. She hasn't done much at ESPN. I've no idea. I think she would have been great here. But she also got WOAK for a time. I feel like that's always and we talked my canel an issue with her.

Always has been. I know she was a big Basel fan, I know she was a fan of mine, I know we are an inspiration. And then she started getting popular.

It was like, oh, parcel's bad. Like, that drives me nuts.

But I think I think you took shots at her first. You no. Like, wasn't the Andrew Luck blog.

No, Andrew Luck blog was way after the fact.

OK, ok. And I mean, where are you guys. I personally have you guys seen each other across paths and like media or anything. No, I don't know.

We're nothing. I mean. If I saw her, I think it'll be an awkward like, hey, like I'm pretty sure she fuckin hates me. I don't hate her.

She has I think she has done stuff before. I think she was kind of like fraudulent once she got, like, popular. You know who I like? I like Greg Olsen. I like fucking guys like Greg Olsen, who fucking left Media Day at the Super Bowl because they won't let us in to come on the bus and grant us an interview because he's been a fan for a while. I like guys who like us when they're not big. And when we get bigger, they get big.

They still like us and it's like no boys with them.

I'm doing them. I like Kevin fucking Hayes. When we went to do like the opening day of the Rangers was on there with balls and I walked down in the Rangers. Media guys like you can't go over there and talk to them. He's like, fuck you. I'm going over there and talking to those other guys. I like those guys. I'll put my hard hat on and I'll fucking die for I don't like.

Do you think I don't like Katie we're very friendly with. And then suddenly it's like, oh, I don't know if I can do this with Basel. What it's like we talking about like we've been pretty close for a while.

She's got show ghost guest judge of the dog show. Yeah. That was the beginning of the end I think. Do you think so?

Because she treated a dog in hindsight, probably how the dog needs to be treated and actually no joke.

Nate Dog is next on my topic list here. Nate Dog was kind of coming hot on Saturday. He was asking about who was going to blog the Stanley Cup. The stars won game five, I think it was. And, you know, there was there seemed to be a little bit of Nate talking in the mud, asking questions about who whose job it was to like. I don't know if he saw that or not, though.

I didn't. I mean, we run into that with a couple of our things, like the hockey guys. Don't really blog right spin checklists, but they're wildly successful at the podcast for play, I would say is not the greatest bloggers, but they have a successful podcast. But in all, the NHL finals should be fucking blog, there's no doubt about it.

So I don't know. Were you happy or are you happy with the Stanley Cup coverage? I didn't pay close enough attention. There are a lot of shirts released, did any of them sell? Not at all, but I sure as shit. There was a lot of lightning shirts.

This is like a joke. No, I swear.

I swear to God in the store. And it's like lightning as far as the eye could see. There's so many lightning shirts. Wow. It's crazy. Well, I mean, think about it. Of course, we don't have like a based on there, but we should be selling shirts for, like, everything.

Just surprise. Like, who would do that? Who's that? Who's our Tampa contingency I want.

I think there's a good opportunity for someone if they wanted to start doing that, become the to Tampa. Yeah. Like think about what Washington is about one seat, right? Yeah, very good.

The rays are good. So if someone wants to be the king, it's just anything like Washington football, which made the playoff like five years ago. Someone just makes him shirts. I think there's there's a good opportunity.

We have the dog there for Washington football. Yeah, that's true. All right, so anything else about Nate, did you guys have a conversation about him running the five to six show or anything like that?

He's crazy enough that he's probably serious about that.

Oh, yes, he texted me after he said thank you for having my back, and I said, let me say this for the one millionth umpteenth time, Nate is the worst guy to ever do video audio unless it's at his expense and unintentional, which he doesn't want.

Fair enough, if it was up to me, I mean, Smitty would just travel the globe together, gallivanting across this great country of ours with a cameraman watching the the hijinx unfold, because as much as that they don't want it to be real, it would be real and it would be spectacular because they can't not, like, create that dynamic that invades opening time.

That's got to be one of your favorite videos of all time.

It most definitely, yes. I've been assigned a question, and that's a perfect segue because they didn't want that to see the light of day.

But it is Hall of Fame, first ballot cast for all time, all time video that they solve problems.

You know, I just don't think they associate. But, yeah, they got problems. They've got problems forever, like Taylor Swift, like problems they got. Yeah, they got fucking problems.

I'll never not have they'll never not have problems.

Well why don't you why don't you make your name OK. If you want the slot, you've got a co-host with Smitty and then we might get that magic back.

Hee hee. Listen Nate, that's not I told me had to wear the spider mask. You want to do it?

He, he, he wants to do it his way and he wants it serious and he thinks he's good.

He's not. And I don't want to force him to do anything he doesn't want to do. I never have. But yeah.

Nate and Smitty, that may have been the height of baseload power when those two were banging heads on the regular.

I mean, that was over. And just the robes, the balcony, I mean, it really, really, truly hate each other.

At least back then they did.

I mean, Smitty was trying they did some awful things to each other off. That could probably be a dark episode for being honest. Smitty versus Nate. Absolutely. They would be infuriated. Nate, hey, Nate's always mad. Didn't get mad at Trista, like about something like the the Bastable like history lesson or something.

Yeah. I think Michelangelo might be able to talk more about that. It was the spider monkey history of spider monkey.

Yes. Yeah, it was. There was a whole segment in that documentary about the spider monkey versus beef. A lot of footage, cutaway of the Vegas video. And he was mad. Oh yeah. Yeah.

See, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. Nate was mad at me.

I edited the video and he referred to it as an ultimate hatchet job.

I mean, he thinks real life is a hatchet job.

That's what makes Nate Nate like he just thinks that everything is skewed to make him look bad when in fact, you know, he he generally looks bad.

Oh, and I forgot the poker thing that was that was also high because of his tenure when he thought he is going to win the World Series of Poker and we paid the entry fee.

So he he thought he got to keep all the money and he was riding high then, too.

Yeah. And I think also that Trista beef kind of spiraled even more later on radio and stuff after the whole like Tyreek Hill interview and stuff. He kind of had some he had some feelings about that.

Yeah. He was feeling so yeah.

I'm, I'm pro I think the spider monkey just let him go. One hour, one hour day five to six. I'm in little coverage from the weekend. Huge moment from Philly in the Basel Sportsbook app or spider. Your guy went in ten thousand dollars. How'd that come to be. Did someone gave you that idea where you like a spider? Here's your shot.

So I've actually been wanting to give Spider ten grand for a while because he was a fucking monster for me during quarantine and covid and all that shit, just working his ass off, always there, cleaning my apartment, helping me drop and what he's doing at a moment's notice.

So I always want to reward him. And then I thought about it. It's like, well, we got the gamelab let me let me do this bet with him. So I thought about it. And then I went down and asked him, like, who do you like in the afternoon games? I think he thought was for me. And then he picked an under which is nuts. But I always one way or the other, spider was going to get rewarded.

So he didn't get anything for the unboxing during this at the time? No. OK, I will reach up his hand off, yeah. Yes, I do. I only gave you hit you at the massage Cornelissen, I called Spider into my office the other day. And like we had a private conversation, the private. But I'm like, I appreciate the work you're doing is not going unnoticed. I know you want to do more content, get into it.

That will happen. I don't know when you have a lifetime job here. And just like Grant grunted out till we figure out, like, whether it's NASCAR or whatever it is, but like, your work is not going unnoticed.

Yeah, that's a writer guy like you talked about earlier, spiders in your life.

And we got to figure out because I know nobody wants to be like the gopher and like he's so good at it and dependable that everyone uses them. And we've got to get him out of there because I actually think he's interesting and do other stuff.

But, you know, it's weird it you organically move out of that role. So we just got to get that to happen for him.

Yeah, I mean, the guys carried no less than like two thousand cases of water. Yeah, no, he's worked his ass off and it hasn't gone unnoticed.

Are you going to do that more with more behind the scenes people that you think kind of deserve to get a little push or one time thing?

No, I mean, I certainly notice who who's working really hard, like I said, the Jack Mac, the Corrine's Michelangelo got the job, Spider, like I, I certainly notice who I think is like elevating themselves in the hierarchy of bar stool and will continue along the path hopefully for a long time.

And there was something else there from the gambling cave, that or the sport, the filthy house, I guess Jeff to do is kind of taking credit there. What what did you think about that, Jeff, to do to do? He said he's the good luck charm.

Do you agree to do is the cockiest guy I've ever met like he literally was? He had a bet the first week he's sitting next to me and big cat talking to himself. He took the Cardinals. He's like, who takes the cardinal? Who takes this first half cardinals? Who does that?

Like I do to himself. And he did the same thing with the bills this week. He's like, this was too easy. What was that line like? This is stealing. And then the bills almost lost his swearing. He's an interesting cat. I mean, he was hired strictly and looks.

Just have you seen him because just because he's like a filly like Central Casting. Yeah, I was there the other day.

It's bananas. His hair is bananas.

He must gel it back. He's got, like, none. He has lost. He's like the cockiest kid. He's just so filea wears the jumpsuits. I mean, he's central casting like one when he makes the videos. I put the camera like an inch from his face.

The second big cat showed it to me. I'm like, who is this guy? We need him. I don't know what he's going to do, but he's central casting.

Yeah, he a character. He pops the top for the videos, too. He's his central casting. That's a good point. Other Balzano employee, big news, your guy team Portnoy member, young page views is engaged. Did you see that? I did.

Paul showed it to me. Thoughts on young page views where we I you know. He's somebody I'm confused on because I don't know what I know, he did the season of pastel outdoors.

I don't know if he's ever coming back. This is third girlfriend since he's been here. He's engaged not.

But good for them. This is the one, hopefully.

But whether he ever comes back here, whether I foot the bill for, like a six month honeymoon, I have no idea.

So you think there's a possibility that he's just been kind of tight here during the corner?

I literally have no idea what he's been up. I know he did the show. I ask around and I get mixed answers. Yeah, he's working hard. No, he's not working at all. I have no fucking clue. I've asked him a couple of times. He always has answers. I'm doing this, this, this. Get engaged.

So are you not particularly thrilled with him then? No, I'm neutral. You're neutral.

You're trying to you're you're searching your facts. I have no idea.

I he put out a whole thing. I have no idea. I really don't know. I haven't seen him in so long. His team, Pordenone membership in jeopardy for him. Yeah, no. If he ever gets back here, I'll have a talk with him. If he just stays gallivanting across like, you know, the Himalayas, he'll probably have a paycheck for life just in some foreign country with his like fucking fiance, a God knows where and south of the border and the equator and the French Alps and God knows where.

How have those those private jets been, I show you tweeting pictures of Bailly Michelangelo. I mean, they're much they're much needed.

We couldn't do the show without it. Like, we're whipping this thing and he lives in the middle of nowhere. We're flying in and flying back. Big Cat and I are now all over the place. Our tech people are all over the place, but they're basic that there's.

There's nothing exciting, I mean, we sit on a plane and just fucking, you know, put our headphones in and just get there, do the show, get back. And you unfollowed Bailey on Twitter, right, a while ago, that had nothing to do with him drinking the beer or anything, I just found him wildly annoying. OK, here's how was see a person clogging up my time, I've probably said five words to him, seems like a nice enough guy.

Most people seem to like him. OK, Frank, the tank tweeted over the weekend, I can't take this anymore, I wish I was full time.

I saw it. I thought you saw Frank the tank in dosis. So you don't think you'd be able to. I don't know what would he do here 24/7? Sleep and sing? I love Frank the tank, but what if somebody here at Bar Stool has what Frank the Tank would do as a full time employee amirs?

Like, I like Frank. I'd love to him. Like what would he do here when he's here? He he's sleeping most of the time when I see him. Just on the couch. Yeah. He I love Frank the tank, somebody here, there's an open invite, if someone tells me, like, all right, here's what he's doing full time, amen. But like, it's a different world, an old bar stool, I he would have probably been higher, but I have to somehow justify what is it he's doing this like what?

What is he doing. What if he hosts five to six with Nate Dog, he's got the late shift. It's an expensive show. I don't even know. We're going to have Sirius Radio.

And we talked about that a little bit last week, but, you know, I'm not going to hire somebody for Sirius Radio is disappearing in six months. Our talks happening right now. I think so, yes. Yeah. What's your general feeling? I don't think we'll have Sirius Radio.

Why is that they're not going to pay us what we want, like the amount of money that they want to pay us. Like, if we do a yacked podcast and this podcast, we can probably make that in two hours worth of work a week or three hours as opposed to a full day of radio every day. So is there what's like our old deal, can you go into on that like are we are we being kind of underpaid now because we're locked in?

Yeah, well, I was underpaid because we had never done it.

But when you look at how much you can make in podcasting and how much danz times worth or my time's worth or Kevin's time's worth, we're being underpaid.

We're being underpaid. OK, and but that's when we signed the contract.

So it's like and that was part of the contract, as I understand it. It was like year one. I had to do it. Year two and three. I didn't. And I don't again, I don't think Sirius loves that. I'm just kind of out on it. And if they pay what I feel like or Erica feels like. They should pay in fair market value. I'll go back in it full bore and kill it, but you better fucking pay my times pretty fucking valuable.

Yeah. So it's almost like a reverse here with Alex Cooper, where it's like Bastable got so popular that, you know, we're ready to kind of move on, whereas like serious like they gave us a chance. So that's why it was cheaper, right. Different sense.

Yeah. Yeah. But different being like where we honor the contract. Like we're we're not we're doing the radio.

I never had to be on it for a year or two and three the contracts up. All right. You now just like we'll have to do with Alex, if we want to keep we're going to have to pay them more.

They want to keep us, then they're going to have to pay a lot more. My final topic here before we get into the listener emails is today's Reia is Hyatt anniversary four years kind of a tumultuous relationship? I guess you kind of had that that spat before you went on vacation a couple of years ago where you stand with her and, you know, do you view her as like a writer, diversional?

I actually would say she and I do not have a tumultuous relationship.

We have a great relationship and always have even in that spat, like we talked five seconds after it was over, I consider Rhea a ride or die. It's impossible to be attached to her and not be ready to die. You know, Hanks, ride or die. But yes, I have ultimate faith. The amount of faith I have and Maria should be explained by after that happened, like in everyone want to interview her and talk to her and like her basically says the devil it was, hey, all these people on talk to you say whatever the fuck you want.

Your you won't be held responsible even in, like, the back of my mind, literally say whatever you want. And she could have said whatever. I have ultimate trust in Maria. So, yes, she stood behind you when that whole HBO thing was going on. She did, but that's not it's beyond that. It's like I know. I just I think rehab gets what we do here and I have ultimate faith in her. So we have, I would say, very good relationship and interesting.

And I just said some alters because of that situation. And before you're like, oh, if I go back to Milton like this, this group Whitcombe, this group wouldn't come. So I wasn't sure. I just want to home.

That's the thing about Rhea. And you want to talk about like sexism and all that shit. If that was a guy who was just blown over. But because it was a female, like, again, the ultimate kind of compliment and it hasn't changed so much because we figure it out so quickly, I feel comfortable talking to you and busting Ria's balls like she's a guy. That's great writer diarrhea. Happy anniversary. Right, we'll do some listener emails here and then we'll get out of here first.

We have a bunch of people are asking in international expansion. We just believe we have international shipping now, you know, where are we at with that? We can it is kind of a big spot for us with hockey, which is of an international law.

Well, you know, it's not it's what do you think?

International. You think accents. You think of Spaniards. Yeah, well, U.K..

OK, well, I'm talking ivory. I'm talking outside of the 50. You know, we are I mean, we're already kind of again and always been chocolates.

I guess, yeah, we did do a pond hockey tournament there, too, so let's say you say that where we had as far as that, that we just hire a soccer guy. Yes.

Some soccer guy troops. I've listened. I love that Occupy zero point zero of my mind. So no, no thoughts exactly what. That wasn't I guess that wasn't clear, no.

So no, no plans of expansion. There's that. Chris wants to know what was the fallout from getting your identity stolen? Surprisingly, not that much. I mean, they stole the money, I got it back, there's one little thing I'm dealing with now.

Like, I can't tell if I paid 60 grand to the government in Michigan and I can't go back and check because my account's gone. So that's one little thing I'm dealing with.

But other than that, almost nothing. All right, Anthony wants to know what's your favorite role at BASTABLE now, do you enjoy blogging the most? You like doing radio streaming advisers from a work standpoint, what do you still enjoy?

And is not I mean, I know what I for you, the live stream with gambling. I mean, I love gambling so that I have fun with that. The DTG I've had fun with. So definitely the content side is still what I enjoy probably the most, dealing with the individual contracts and raises and shit like that.

That's what I like the least. Ryan wants to know where does barstool stand with NASCAR, the podcast with Clint Bowyer just kind of ended. Is there a new ad deal in place or what's going on?

Hopefully we relook at that like a year or so. So obviously, I love Clint like friendly, like like him in every way that you can be like, oh, this guy's a good dude.

So covid happened, it stopped. We start picking up a little bit. But, you know, it's like, do I have to go to the office? And then to be honest, NASCAR had so many like BLM issues and I started having BLM issues and it just was like, is this the right time for either of us to, like, go join just from like a aesthetics point of view? And the answer is probably like, let's let it settle.

It was probably better for both.

So it's kind of at a pause right now. Yeah. All right, so NASCAR is on a pause. There you go, right? Yeah. All right. I think that's it for today. What's what are we looking at here? It's only Tuesday. What's up for the week? And you're going to play or something?

My schedule is today. I got to take a quick trip. I'll be back tonight. Tomorrow we do advisers in the morning and a college show. Then I think then I'm going to go to Philly to bet on baseball because there's like a zillion games Thursday morning we fly to Texas to do a Deon show. I continue along to L.A., have a bunch of meetings there, doing some content there. Then I fly from L.A. back to Texas on Tuesday to do the football show.

I'll be back here Tuesday night, Wednesday Visors College Show, then Thursday, probably like back to Philly.

And there's kind of rumblings here that you might be doing another podcast, is that right?

Correct. He say anything else about that, Josh Richards tick tock. So you want to tick tock, are you going to be doing a PFS, I think is the name of it the play? The truth of the matter is that as I tend to do here. I want to get the tick talkers to know who the fuck we are, and it's a younger demo, so that's what we're doing it for that and that alone. And he's doing it for the same reason, like get a little older.

Maybe they'll like him.

Who knows, it may suck, but his to new audiences and he's got he's fucking, what, 17, 20 million followers. He's a big deal. So let's get these young to figure out, you know, what the Bagwell's all about.

We can hurt the Bagwell's all by perfectly. All right. So new from no podcasts to Dave. That's that's.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see how this one goes. It should be interesting. So I'm going to the TED talks like the Sway House and shit and be like tech talking all over the place, how we feel and hear someone say at the overunder at six and a half I think we'll go over.

Right. Yeah. This is easy. Yes. Right. I don't like I as I said. If the person is prepared, it's in and I don't have to, like, put all this extra work sitting down doing it, that's fine. It's easy for me to do. Like the party of the NASCAR broadcast was harder because I have to study and know what the fuck I'm talking about and things like that here, you're asking me things I don't have the I know everything.

There we go. All right, Dave takes a lot, have a good week, good luck on your busy schedule and we'll be back some time next week. Make sure you subscribe. Send emails to Dave Portnoy Show at partial sports dot com if you want to get your email on. That's it for today. And we'll see you next time.

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