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Hey, what's up, guys, it's big cat. Before you start listening to this episode, I want to let you know that we're running a special sale on all bar stool merch, go to store barstool sports, dotcom and use code podcast for 10 percent off, go to store barstool sports, dotcom and use code podcast for 10 percent off. All right, Big Bang, it is Episode eight. Welcome to The Day Pordenone Show with Eddie and Company.

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This show is presented by Barstool Sports and not Eighty-eight CBD.

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Yeah, the light is weird on my face. That new camera right there, it's just a new one. Yeah. So Steve Ché was like, don't throw them under the bus because it wasn't their fault.

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Blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to wait.

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What is it. Eighty-eight CBD, whatever. So first of all, they cancelled. I made it quite clear I wasn't even sure if I was going to allow them to continue. But I saw the email that they sent, like, stoolies are saying, like, fuck you and this and that and whatever it may be, they were there.

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Actually, the email I read was complimentary to me. It's like we think Dave is a marketing mastermind, but we're just getting too much negative feedback and we got to pull their morons.

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I hope someone and I don't want to rub it in.

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If they dove into it and they understood marketing even a tiny bit, it was the best thing that could have happened. We would have pushed the shit out of it and done this and that. By the way, it wasn't that big of a deal like keynote sponsor, 100 grand.

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I think what it was for me, Michelangelo, I take my dick out and I pissed that, like, you want me to sponsor this, I'll fucking sponsor the show myself for 100 grand.

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What, are you fucking kidding me?

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So anyways, you know, I'm not I don't hate this company at all because I don't even I'm still not clear if they complained or it was our own people. No one's come up to me, by the way, in the sales staff, none of them cowards. The only one that did was Steve. I haven't heard a fucking I think actually Deirdre sent an email, but like the other names haven't said a word. So whatever.

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Again, in one salesperson days, she's like, what about this?

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That person was the keynote sponsor. I've been so busy I'd rather get keynote sponsor of some product or something I truly believe in.

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And I can push it and I'm a fan of it and we fucking make them a ton of money. But the seabeds, those are fucking dime a dozen in Tripoli CBD or whatever the hell they are.

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I'm not mad at them, but. They're marketing departments. As pea brains like I mean, they were close, you got the most natural storyline that we could to turn this thing around and really made some progress, but they dropped, so they dropped.

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It's almost like the Castanza weight. You're breaking up with me, honey. I'm breaking up with like, you know, I didn't even I hadn't even allowed them to continue as the advertisers are like, we're out.

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It's like, hold on, hold on, honey. I even say we're allowed. But whatever, they're gone into the wind, stupid in my mind.

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How can they say in that email, we know Dave's a master marketer, but we have to pull. Well, then you don't know. You're just saying that. So I don't rip your ass apart, which I'm not gonna do.

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But the marketing department's morons. Yeah, they got a 25 minute ad read.

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Eddie, I hadn't even started to push the product.

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If they stuck with through that, if I allowed them to either incorporate it into my lifestyle, they would have I could have sued them for, like, robbing me the amount of publicity anybody who I get behind I over deliver on a scale that's tough to describe because I incorporate in everything in my but hey, the great marketing minds over a triple eight HD acts or whatever the hell it is.

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Good luck to them. Go find something else that you can get.

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You know, there was the thing to like I said, they were vindicated in the end, like it was on our end, correct? It was.

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They're like, oh, stoolies are being mean. And comments like, OK, do you want to sell product, do you not you seabeds.

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So they're gone. It is so guess.

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And then I guess we're opening the floor here. We're looking for a presenting sponsor.

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Yeah. And I haven't put any thought into it, but one hundred grand. I'm not losing sleep. And then I saw you man. Oh we're going to spend half a million dude.

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Every fucking company says that we're going to spend this and spend this 100 grand presenting sponsor. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing for me.

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100 grand Michelangelo.

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This guy's worth on more than 100 million, 100 grand. Let me see your product or not.

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And then, like, you know, it's different. And maybe we'll have a presenting sponsor of this. That's like there's a lot of questions that I've let go in my head, like a presenting sponsor, which is a merch company, great merch company. I like their stuff.

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It's like, all right, because I'm going to kick the shit out of whoever are presenting sponsors, like they're going to get I'm going to, like, drag them to be like a Fortune 500 company.

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So it's like merch.

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But if I just do that energy and promote our own merch, I'll sell 100 grand of our own merch. So let's find something else.

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You know, that's kind of unless it's something so spectacular that it's not competing.

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Salesmen's, love me. Well, that might be next week, the day Pordenone show that he and company presented by Dave Portnoy, you might just release it.

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Maybe I want to invite I want to get involved in everything. And Steve J.

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God bless him. He'll learn a little bit. He sends me an email.

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I want you to keep this private. Okay, Steve. OK, buddy, I'll keep it private. Yeah, that's the same I keep those same private bud bud in the same vein. We're not advocating leave ADHD alone like we don't like. It's not their fault. We're not to know anybody to know.

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Sounds like they had nothing to do with it and then go again. Negative blowback again. If they in my opinion, my humble opinion, what do I know, all I do is I can built this company from scratch and like launch boxes and boxes, whatever, maybe the greatest marketing mind probably of last like 20 years.

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But what do I know?

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If they embrace the controversy and rolled with it, it would be a huge win.

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That doesn't make you a bad person that you can't think on the level. I can. Very few can, Steve. Hey, keep this keep this email private. All right. Okay, Steve. Yeah, I'll do that. But I'll I'll listen to you.

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Steve, did they back out of BFE, too? I know they were with you on that show as well. Yep. Yes, they did. Oh oh. To fall back out Piaf's when we can do it like rockets. I mean we have the night it was me, Alex Cooper. Alex, I got her as a guest.

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It's tough to do.

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And who knows our sales staff because the five guys I go Netflix wants in. It's like our sales staff, our sales staff just calls the same people over and over and like, don't get me started.

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I want do you remember the episode of Seinfeld when, like, both George and who was the politician who was working for George's dad selling?

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Computers where they say you want computer, no wi fi, and he hit the bell, George's dad, every time somebody sells something, what were they sell on computers? I think, you know, the episode I'm talking about.

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I don't I never got super of Seinfeld, Dave. Unfortunately, Eddie, I know. Shame on you. It's a great flaw, I fully admit.

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Are you finding it? I'm looking for it, yeah. It's George is a salesman with some ex politician guy.

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Hello. Mr. Finerman. One of my computer. No. Why not? All right, I say good answer. Thanks.

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Right now, so he's there both selling for Ferzat I almost one day want or you could do it when Dwight Schrute if you want, which shows the office is competing versus the computer to sell paper. I would like to go head to head with the entire sales force and like see who sells more.

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I just going to put everything aside, give me two weeks me versts and see what happens. Like I just I'm going to time. I'll sell the Fucka this show. Well let's do it then.

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If you have a pitch, send it over. Dave Portnoy, show it. Partial sports dot com hundred Grand Isle.

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Transform your life and your company. How do you like that. There you go. We'll send I'll send it to Michelangelo. We'll do one minute phone calls. Maybe he'll just pop into your office. He'll film a one minute call. We'll just do a rapid fire. Whoever we like, whoever we land on, whoever could front 100 grand will make it happen. Is that work?

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If we just put out a T-shirt branded with whatever sponsor the company is and it's a cool T-shirt we push if you just paid for your entire ad campaign.

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Come on. Yes, we did. All right, so from one controversy to another, we do have a guest on today's episode, Ross Gerber, a guy that you've gone back and forth with on Twitter for what feels like all of 20/20.

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It's been a while a credit to him. You know, I spoke him into existence. Now he is sort of known in the fintech community. And I'm not going to. But this isn't going to be like a yell over.

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I'm actually sort of. Interesting to see where it goes, and I'm going to let him try to explain himself now, I don't know even any of you know, the full background of a lot like this stuff.

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I'm not that in tune with the finance community, like you said. FYNN Twitter like that is that's way over my head. Same thing with the, you know, the global trading and shit.

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So do you know how this started?

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To my knowledge, he was shitting on all the casino stocks, correct? No, that's not how it started.

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He I believe he does know he is long. See, this is why I have a problem.

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First things first. The first time I became aware of him was he basically I where is this tweet? And shout out to Kevin, my guy who is supposed to give me all the background info. Just didn't he just he just repeated what I put together like the day before. So I had to get the information from Marina.

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So he told me he has it and he didn't have the early ones, which Marena Sunday. OK, so the first time I became aware of this guy. Was he tweeted at me and I wasn't talking to him about him, nothing. I didn't know he existed. All right. And I was on CNBC fast money and talking with Cramer.

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And I said, where are the haters now? And I put up a screenshot of my day having a good account.

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He tweeted at me, Trust me, Dave done this my whole life. You will lose all this money.

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Happy to help you not do that. We work with lots of lucky people like you and make sure they don't end up with nothing. So out of the blue. He did that and was like, who the fuck is this guy you work with a lot of lucky people, you're going to make sure you're going to save me.

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And then that started a back and forth. Of me basically saying he's a snake oil salesman, he he trolls, I guess, social media, Twitter like that cold calling people trying to get people to invest their money. I would never invest with somebody who's on Twitter trying to find clients like that. And then he at one point asked me to go on his podcast. I told him to suck my dick and then he deleted.

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He's a big delete guy.

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He deleted the request to me. And then he's called me a racist. He's a huge Trump guy. He's called me a racist.

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He also, you know, the P.P. loan thing, which I really don't know what that meant before, but people could basically fill out paperwork to get a loan for their government from the government through Korona.

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And he had these tweets. This can't be real. The Lakers got a PP loan. The whole PGP thing looks like a scam.

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Another big Trump scam. I bet you can correlate PP loans. And Trump supporters want to bet they should publish a list of all the companies in amounts. Well, guess two months later who applied and got a loan? Ross Gerber. So, I mean, it's pretty wild, unbelievably hypocritical move.

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I haven't seen him address that yet. And then he has gone against Penn and draft things, but he's long on MGM, so he loves MGM. So again, is, is he just trashing Penn because he has MGM? He's on the record as saying there'll be no football like he. The only thing I know he's got right is he's been long on Tesla. So we've gone back and forth.

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I just call him a, you know, snake oil salesman, a fraud coward.

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But I'm curious what he says, whether he's just in the arena playing the game. But he seems to be playing with real people's money, like I'm always, hey, I'm out here doing the show and dance and DTG Global and I'm trying to learn it. And I think I'm doing pretty good at it. But I only invest my own money.

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I'm not taking other people's money. He is. That's a big difference. So we got a lot of questions for him.

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Wow, I didn't show we got a hypocrite in here yet. He can't hear me at all now.

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I can. Did you Munim Michael. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Come on. Money.

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Wow. So we got a hypocrite. We have the p p p thing is amazing. A tweet to leader yupp and I didn't know there was a racist accusation in there as well. So this is this is a lot more personal than I had realized. Yeah.

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He also, like, is Trump broken Bryner like he despises Trump and anybody he perceives as neutral or in favor of Trump, I think drives him nuts. Oh, wow.

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So this should be there are some real bad blood here.

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Yeah. I mean, to me, he's a joke, but I'm interested. That's why you ask, like, can we have them all?

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I'm like I'm actually curious to see how he reacts to some of these things. Again, he brought the fight to my doorstep with that tweet. Our blue called me like lucky. And basically, you better give me your money or you're going to lose it all.

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So I'm curious to see, you know, and again. I think once he asked me on his podcast publicly and I'm just like, suck my dick, then he didn't know what to do. Then he started reversing and then he called me racist after that. And like you never said the racist shit before. I told them to suck my dick. All right.

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So this should be an interesting one. I think he's on the line now, so let's get over to him. But before we do, let's talk about a new sponsor we have on the show, VRT.

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I'm all I'm listening, like with give me it. I don't know what it is. I want it.

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You're going to do the live, right? I was going to wait for you because I know I want to read.

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I want to know everything about this company.

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All right. Hold on. Let me pull it up real quick. I wasn't I wasn't prepared to read it right now, but.

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No, no, no, no more. No more. After the fact reads. We should never do that. I want to know the reads in real time. I wanna know everything about this company. I wanna know where they eat, where they sleep, where to get the product.

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All right. It's called VRT, Dave. OK, view. Oh. R.I. So it's got like a nice little law. It sounds fancy. It sounds nice.

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Like it sounds like something you want to wear. Right. Yeah. All right. Salvadori It means mountain but to us it represents a view from the summit, the expansive clarity it can provide in the awe inspiring experience experience it brings out.

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Sounds like amazing clothing. It sounds great.

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And a new perspective on performance apparel. Perfect. If you're sick and tired of traditional old workout gear, everything is designed to workout in but doesn't look or feel like it's so frickin comfortable. You will want to wear it all the time. The product is incredibly versatile. It can be used for just about any activity like running, training, yoga, but also great for lounging or weekend errands. Dave Yoga, Vieri Yoga. Dave Portnoy.

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You know, I don't want to do yoga, but I've always been saying a big goal of mine, if I could find the time, would be to do meditation. I like to meditate. I be. It's very hard, but I'd like to learn how to do that and do that.

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I think it would, you know, just clear me up and maybe I wouldn't be so fucking, you know, combative.

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You are definitely going to do that. That's what Stern does that for, like an hour after every show does meditate. Mm hmm. He goes straight to the office and meditates product. Like I said, it's incredibly versatile and comfortable. It's designed to look great in every day of life like, you know, outside the gym. It doesn't matter. It's perfect for any workout. Such activity is an investment in your happiness. For our listeners, they're offering 20 percent off your first purchase.

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Eddie, there. You like that? Twenty percent investment. My happiness, yes. Twenty percent.

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Love that Aderet, right, that every day that was that was a minus the only thing I wish I had the clothing here, I need the clothing, I'd be wearing it right now. I'd be bathing in it.

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There you go. So if your clothes they're on board, we're happy to have them. The asteroids will be live from now on at Dave's request show live.

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I'm going to institute that across the company. Live risk everyone should that you should perk up like an antenna when the asteroids go off. There you go.

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So check out Veria Vieri. Excuse me, let's get to Rostker.

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I think I made it all right. You look like a like you're a skin doctor.

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Like I like straight out of L.A. Hollywood dude I am straight out of L.A. Hollywood. Where do you think I am. Well it makes sense. You know, that's what I do. I live in Hollywood. Well, Santa Monica.

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That makes sense, too. All right. Do you want to go are you how you want to do it?

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You know, usually I used to live in Philly and you're there now, right? I'm in New York. I do half and half like. So after today, I go for the weekends until like Monday or Tuesday.

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Dude, thank you for what you did for the reading terminal and stuff. That was sweet. Yeah, that was a no brainer. All right. I know. But you know what? You do a lot of stuff and I get your show and I like it, actually. But but like, that's the stuff where you can make a huge difference and you and your dad and I give you credit for that. That was awesome.

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I appreciate it. All right. So Ross and we were talking about a little bit earlier, you and I have been going back and forth now for for a while. And so and I said it's not going to be like yelling.

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I'm actually curious because we've never spoken on where we would go. So I'll start. I as you know, I'm fairly new now to the day trading the stock market.

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In the first time I became aware of you was basically a sub tweet at me which said, trust me, Dave done this my whole life.

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You will lose all this money.

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How happy to help you not do that. We work with lots of lucky people like you and make sure they don't end up with nothing.

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So that tweet pissed me off on, like, who the fuck is this guy out of the clouds calling me lucky. And then we're off to the races, basically.

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You don't think you're lucky? I'm lucky. I mean, come on, buddy. I don't.

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Buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. So we go see there we go. Steve J. Where Chuck, listen, listen.

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The way I look at life is that if you're successful, there's a part of it is luck and and you have to be like conscious of that. And and so granted, I do it was an approach because I wanted to get your attention and and, you know, obviously I did. Yes.

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But I thought what you were doing was really cool to like in that, you know, you're bringing investing to young people, which I which is what I do. But I just wanted you to do it the right way so so I can help you make a lot of money, man. You know, you trade a lot of the same stocks I own and you're talking about Shopify all day. And I own Shopify, you know, and I'm like, why isn't Dave just call me?

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I can help him, you know, listen to randoms, but not so much randoms.

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And that's part of my what I've said is I would never trust my money with somebody who's, like, essentially cold calling me on social media, which is what that was like. I want to give my money to somebody who I have to beg to take my money like I hear. Why is that?

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Because a cold call got to me, someone who calling on Twitter social. They should have better and bigger things to do. It's almost like a toat analogy. Like if you're so good and great at picking stocks, why do you need my money? Why don't you just do it yourself?

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You put your cell phone. Actually, that's not how my business started. I did this for myself. Like the whole purpose was I'm a musician, actually, so I have a music company. And, you know, I was like, how do I make money? And I was like, so I was trading stocks. I was making money. I was like a kid. So this kind of made sense. And then the entertainment industry sucks, you know?

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So I was like, I don't want to be in this. And and so I started in 94, just like working as an independent advisor just because I know other jobs really. And and and people came to me. So what I decided was instead of just working for rich people, see the problem with working with rich people only as most are assholes. And so it's like if I run this boutique business where all I have is 20 really wealthy people who just bust my balls all day, it's not really what I do.

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You see what I'm saying? So what I.

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Oh, you're on social media getting your balls busted by me and other people and back and forth. If I you just buy you.

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I'm not the only one that I'm not the only one. I'm not the only basketball. Like when when I tweet that everyone's like all this guy's the worst.

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Like I got a lot of that because I just beat all the Tesla short sellers, you know, I'm. One of the biggest Tesla investors, I know the world that and so like what happened last year was we invested a lot of money into Tesla many years ago, about like last year, Tesla got into being this like, you know, Elon's crazy. So, like, he kind of got me as well as, you know, into a real pickle, you know, and we were losing a lot of money.

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And and so I spent some time working with Elon and he convinced me to invest a lot more money in Tesla at the low and the short sellers. So I'm on TV like every day.

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So I'm on top of Tesla. You mean. Yeah, talking about stocks.

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So I'm on CNBC or CNN or Fox or whatever, which I have a problem with all those talking heads.

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I'm listen, they let me on so I get where you're coming from. I can't insult them because like they let me on, but like I own stocks and like people like Elon need me to talk about Tesla in the media because he doesn't talk to them, you know.

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So Elon Musk, no offense to you, does not need you to talk about Tesla in the media. Well, you're wrong.

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No, I'm not wrong. Elon Musk is like the most.

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I have emails from Tesla right now thanking me every day for what I do. But I.

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I get that shit, too, from companies. I get put on the list. If you disappear and fall in a lake tomorrow, nothing changes with Tesla as of now.

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Yeah, that's true. But last year that wasn't true. I wasn't reading last year.

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I can only go on what I know from I've been doing and since I've been doing it.

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You're a relevant to Tesla. Listen, my small small part of the Tesla story is what it is. You can ask the Internet what they think.

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I know that you're huge in Tesla, but I can say definitively, since I've been doing as a matter, because what happened was we made like it.

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I think we made over one hundred million dollars trading Tesla this year. And and like we beat Chanos Einhorn, the dude from the Big Short.

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Yeah, but all right. Since I've been doing it, I'm beating although I'm beating Warren Buffett, I'm being so I'm beating all those guys as well.

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You're not. You're not. Listen, it's not comparable. Look, why are you comparable? Because because I manage a billion and a half dollars, like over. It's a different game. It's like my games, my game's tougher. It's my money. No, no.

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What do you mean, good? It's very easy to invest all money, money.

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We are accountable to yourself. Yeah, but when you lose other people's money, you still eat at the Four Seasons. Having filet.

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You do. It's other people's money.

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I was already rich before I ate the Four Seasons. So. So then why do you do that? You you out of the goodness of your heart. You're like, I want to make other people money as opposed to my own.

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And I get paid off of that of course. But like. But you're missing the point. Like when you when you somebody comes to say, this is my life savings, I'm forty eight years old, I've worked my whole life. Right. I don't lose it, OK? Because if I lose one dollar, they're pissed off. If I make them a thousand dollars, they don't care if I make if I lose one dollar, they're pissed off one dollar.

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Now you haven't had that happen yet. See, like if if the stock market gets a big correction coming right now.

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OK, well, let's be honest. You've been saying that now for a while, right? For a whole year. All right. All right. So I'm a bear. I'm still a bear. And I've made a lot of money this year. I'm doing really well with my money, not even in the stock market. Meanwhile, you're on margin, fully margined. And and what I'm saying is you're in a very vulnerable position right now, so.

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Right.

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But you've been saying that for a year. Listen, the way it's a long term game, it's I've been saying it since the correction. I'm I'm a bear since March. I'm still a bear. I've made a lot of money on the rebound. But the economy is garbage and you can't tell me it's not. It's garbage. And and so if they pump the markets up with printing money for the last six months, we need a stimulus. So if you don't think that if we don't pass the stimulus plan that the market's going to tank, you're wrong.

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But the stimulus will get passed. And by the way, I don't think they're connected necessarily in in so people been saying, I've been wrong for a year.

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We could crash and I'd still be up. That's how much I'm up because of the rebound and the timing here on I.

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That's not true, because if you're on margin, you could get double whacked.

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Yeah, but I'm already way over double like what I put in.

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So it's still I'd be OK and I'm in stocks like I'm not in these crazy fly buy stocks anymore.

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You have no diversification. You're not coming back. I'm in tech. I have a small in to my I have the stuff I did trade with and then I have I guess you want it to be my go.

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You have a guy at JPMorgan. Yes, that's what I'm saying. I have that guy, the JP Morgan, who I don't really touch and then I have the day trade. So, OK, so you come at me with that. I still again. You do think you're doing a bad job trading either? Actually, I think with a little help, you could be really good.

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I mean, I'm just probably beating you since I've started beating me and you just said you have half your money on the sidelines. Just just in full disclosure, I'm having my best year ever, but.

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But with half your money on the sidelines.

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Yes, that's the amazing part. That's to me, test is up 400 percent.

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Well, that's one stock. That's a home run. No, but that's like Shopify. That's like Berzon.

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If it's your top holding, if you have 60 million or something in it, it's really good.

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Correct. How about, again, how much how much of that money is yours? Well, my money is invested more aggressively and that was started.

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You're betting other people's money. That's like if I looked at it and said, well, Penn, we got it.

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Twenty six it at five. How many people have personally, I own a ton like you own a ton of Penn. I own a ton of Tesla.

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So it's like so so my money isn't exactly the same as the whole that I manage. I manage other people's money so conservatively. You bet my career like when you're like the billions you run a fund.

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So like to be honest, whatever you I could let me ask you this. If I was running Dedede teaching license, however I want to get license, I could go run a billion dollar fund. I could get that money. Right, you could but see, the problem is it's like a sports I'm in a professional sport and every year is a season and it's just like the Patriots, you know, they were great and now they suck. And so it's like when you suck in my business, everybody pulls their money and you're done, OK?

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That's the way it works. OK, I'm on twenty seven seasons now. I've done the financial crisis. Always go up. Right. I know, I like the business, that's why the suits, that's that's the whole thing. My point is I don't need you like you. I can do it myself. Anybody can do it themselves. That was the whole genesis of the thing.

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I'll tell you, part of what you're saying is absolutely true. I 100 percent agree. In fact, everybody could do this themselves if they had certain types of personalities that could handle when they lose money. See, everybody can be happy when they're making money. But when you're losing a lot of money quickly, that's when you can tell who can really do this or not. And most people fold their hands. You know this. You're gamble. OK, so.

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Right. I agree. So it's like poker. It's much more like poker than sports betting, where it's like you can even have a good hand and people like fold them like you own Shopify. You don't need to worry about Shopify, OK, they're going to do great. OK, it's a great company. It's extremely expensive company, but it's great. OK, so when it goes up or down, you should want it to go down actually, because like I said, my dick gets hard when when it goes down because I buy more.

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Right. And like we just had a whole Shopify love fest at my firm last week. And then you do this whole Shopify love fest and I'm laughing because I'm like, you're right.

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You're right. OK, so. So the issue is what price you pay for Shopify. And this is where you don't understand. OK, so like the stock price itself doesn't make something expensive.

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Do you understand the way you talk is what's so infuriating when, like you don't understand, like you're not smart enough, you're lucky.

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It's no, you are smart enough. You just haven't put in the work yet if this isn't gambling. OK, well it it there's, it's not enough.

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It is so, so like when Hertz goes up 100 percent a day and goes back down, people aren't gambling on the momentum of that stock. No, no.

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Listen, when I went to Australia, people were gambling on toads. You know, like you can gamble on anything and stock market it certainly you can gamble on it all day. But why would you if stocks always go up, why would you gamble that?

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Well, because you can do two things you can do long term or what you think's going out like your Tesla play. Or you can be like, hey, look at this momentum on Hertz. I'm going to gamble on that. Make fucking two hundred grand in ten minutes.

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It's just not repeatable. It's just like sports betting. So sports I've been in the gambling business my whole life like casinos, and I know gambling really well. And like, you want to be the host, don't you know?

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Well. I don't know, like we did, we were just doing like refrigeration and storage companies for the vaccine and I don't really study biotech very well. Like, I I'm not a science guy. I got lost at what what have I been wrong on?

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Like, what's a big loser for you in a stock? The biggest loser I've had recently was a stock called Funchal. And I lost like, I don't know, a million, five or two. They make toys and they were doing well. But there was some B.S. going on at the company and the stock got hammered. And I lost money. I sold. And we're suing them, you know, but it is what it is. You see, that's another thing you've got to learn to, which is in trading.

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You've got to cut losers quick. You've got to cut your losers super quick, and you've got to run with your winners. You've got to double up on your winners. So, you know, that's a big, big part of trading. When you're winning on something, you know, it's just like poker when you're betting like the way you bet is just as important as what you're betting on, you know?

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Yeah, that's I would agree with I don't think that's like rocket science moving on because there's more that we get to. So that's the back and forth a little bit how we started.

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And again, because you have to understand, I know what I'm doing. If I told you, like, I don't know sports as well as, you know, sports, but like, I live this stuff, you know, I can tell you what happened in nineteen ninety four, you know, with any stock you want to ask, you know, like that. Yeah, but that's who I do.

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It's like I equate it to the World Series of Poker. It's like yeah. You have all these people when not everyone like could play basically and you're winning a tournament. Ninety four then the internet comes along. Everyone can do it.

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The Robinsons of the world have let even the playing field in the suits are angry that I don't have to pay you or pay, you know, a firm to take a commission on every trade I make. I can do it myself.

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Right. But like once again, you are doing yourself and I don't have any problem with people doing it themselves. What we found over my entire life is that most people end up not having enough money or don't have a million dollars. Like if it was so easy, then why is only one percent of people have money? Like if it's so easy?

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Well, I think the majority of the people aren't even like I had never done it. I had money that wasn't like I didn't have money I wasn't doing. It's just I'm busy doing other stuff. It's you're so trained. Basically, everything you hear, you need a stockbroker, you have stockbroker, let them invest. And it's like a natural cycle that people have grown up like me. It never even it's like, oh, maybe I can go do this myself.

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It's just not something until that's why I'm on the Internet.

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That's why I'm trying to teach people the same thing you're trying to teach people. It's about I'm helping them do that. That's what my firm does.

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So you're you're for young people, what is your fee structure? So you just charge one percent.

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That's the simplest way to look at it up. One of the amount you have invested, you have a million dollars invested with me. Told you if you lose money, you still get paid.

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We get paid less. It's based off how much is in your account. But that answer was yes. We get paid less if I lose money, I get to make money right there, their net total of what they have in the account go down. So if you if they have a million and you lose them half a million, instead of getting 10 percent of a million, you get 10 percent of half a million.

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One percent. Yeah, one percent and a half a million. You make money regardless. I make money regardless, yeah. Have you ever thought maybe I shouldn't charge on losing? No, because that's not what people only pay us for. That's investment management. Remember, I think a lot of what you don't have money is financial advice. So financial advice would be something like you're forty three and you're you're single, I guess. And what like let's say you meet a girl, you know, and you and you decide again that you want to try to get married again.

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Like maybe we should talk about the best strategy for your finances, considering they're very complicated. Do you have your trust set up?

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That's financial adviser. What about somebody who's just giving you money to invest? Well, a lot of wealthy people just give me money to trade for them, like invest because a lot of firms don't do anything and that's actually why we started our firm is because what you're saying is totally true. Most firms do nothing like they literally like put your money to sleep like it dies. And I'm so confused.

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Why do you charge money if you go through a full year in your in you're in the negative. You say that's never happened. But if it did.

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No, no. Well, I lost money. Of course I've lost.

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So then why do you charge people commission on losing the money?

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First of all, we don't charge commissions. We charge advisory fee. And there's no obligation like the charge can juice.

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It's the juice, 10 percent juice. And what you got with you?

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One percent, which is the one percent. Well, let me tell you, if it was ten. Yeah, yeah, that would be great. No, like a hedge fund charges two and twenty five.

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I get how the model goes. But why. Why. That's what I don't like about the model. If I give you example.

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OK, so let's say you are my client and it's six thirty in the morning you get up, you start DTG and shop ofis down I don't know, fifty one hundred points and you start to get nervous.

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Who do you call. Who do you trust to call. See you back here with you.

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If the investor with you you could just call me, you can just call me and I'd say, hey Dave relax. So a lot of my job is Dave relax. OK, a lot of times people are panicking and my job is just to say relax. Stocks always go up OK, and they relax and they don't do stupid stuff. The second thing is they'll get an idea like your mark idea. What a horrible stock to buy. OK, you're buying this mark of what?

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It's a piece of crap. OK, if you just called me, I would have said, dude, Dave, it's a penny stock. The CEO called you and was like, promote my stock, Dave. And you, like, did it. And I was like, what are you doing, dude? You're going to lose and you're going to lose other people's money. And that's what happened. And so if you just called me, you would have avoided that whole thing because I said, Dave, this is fucking dumb.

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You know, like put in some of it. Look at this shit.

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Answer the question. Oh, like you sold your Bitcoin. Why did you sell your fucking Bitcoin day? I didn't understand it. But you're not going to ask me for one percent. You could have called me, but you will be happy.

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You're right. You're you're a damn good boss.

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If you're that good and you consistently are only making people money, why don't you offer that? Hey, I'm so confident in how smart I am. If I don't make you money, I don't charge you.

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OK, that would be my new deal, you know, if I don't make you money, I don't charge you, I'll tell you why, because when markets go down, it's because they do always go up over time.

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But you're a bear, so that should be good for you. Well, no, because we don't short the market, so I still want markets to go up. I'm just I just have capital to take advantage, like so like a pen. Gaming gets hammered over the next quarter, like, I can go in and buy the stock. I call it fun. Yep. Got it. OK, so that's what I'm waiting for because because actually you're starting to grow on me and I'm actually starting to think maybe this pen gaming strategy might.

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That's a whole different thing. You're way off on that. But we know I'm into online gambling. I'm in MGM. I know. Did you like that?

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How much do they pay for who's who's Jamie Fox, Jamie?

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I mean, I don't like their strategy. Trust me. I talk to them. I'm trying to convince you kept your money in after that deal. I bought the stock because it was so cheap. And when I've owned these casinos my whole life and and it got so cheap during the crisis that when I was at five.

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Pension was at five, I didn't I didn't know Pen, you know, I don't know pen that well and you know, Pen is a punch.

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You tweeted about it a thousand times. How do you know?

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No, no, I learned it because you got it. But but at the time, during the during the Cobra crisis, I didn't know Pen and I know of pen like Pen and Boyd and these other players. I'm like a Vegas guy, you know, and I like the sports and I like the stadium and the Raiders and and the hockey team. And MGM's hooked up with all of that. So like for me, and they had tons of cash.

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So I was like, OK, they're going to survive either way with pen. See, the problem with PEN is they sold all their casinos to these Rietz and so they got to pay rent. And and and I'm just worried that this covid thing, it's getting gnarly. Dave, you got to talk to people about wearing masks and stuff because it's going to hurt your business bad.

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But but eh, they're they're in locations that aren't as sensitive to covid as a lot of other locations.

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That's not the reality now. Sort of, but.

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Well, once again, I know a lot more than other people about these things. That's why I do a lot more about everything and everybody what you get and yet you won't get the money.

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The other half. What I do, I mean, they raise the billion dollars, what, two months ago when the stock price didn't even blink. What pen?

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Yeah, it's actually at the same price they raise the money at right now. Right.

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Sixty one that it didn't blink. That's what they said. That's what you listen. Penn's doing a good job. I'm watching what you guys are doing when I start.

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When did you start. And I can't even tell. I know you're very anti Penn based on it.

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Maybe it's changing typepad. Well I don't mean that. I mean stock people. I don't take that as person. You pissed me.

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You pissed me off. You have I'm a fraud on your fucking board. Like, why don't you just like. Well, all right. I get letters like I should sue you and I'm like, dude, it's a comedy show.

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Explain than the peep long thing. Explain that one to me.

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OK, so so those who don't know I'm going to explain it, then you can say what happened. But and I didn't even really know what the thing was. We were asked to take it. We said no, but I know you hate Trump. So and I don't know if you think anybody who you perceive as either like neutral or whatever you despise. But here we go. This is the tweets. This can't be real. The Lakers got a PP loan.

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This whole BPP thing looks like a scam, another big Trump scam. And then you said, I bet you can correlate PP loans and Trump supporters want to bet they should publish the list of companies in amounts. And then two months later, it comes out. You applied and got a PPP loan, correct? Correct. So, all right, explain that.

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OK, so if you go backwards and you look at how and there was just an article in The Wall Street Journal about how PGP went down and all these big public companies that are set up like little separate corporations took millions and millions of dollars. So when when the market went down, we were down like I'd say like twenty percent. We had just hired a whole bunch of people. Now, I'm not backed by private equity. I don't have this is my company.

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OK, so so what happened was, is that we're like, OK, this this sucks because we're now down, let's say two hundred million. So I was down two hundred million dollars and I'm like, OK, financial crisis. I had to fire thirty percent of my company. I had to close five office. It was a nightmare and I thought the market would be down like fifty percent by the time we were done so well. So first time Wells Fargo sends us this thing and says, oh, here, sign this piece of paper and we'll give you a half a million bucks.

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OK, doesn't happen, so that's why I'm pissed off, I'm like, this is unbelievable, like small businesses can't get these loans, but the Lakers got a loan and and the hotels all got loans. So I was pissed off.

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So the second round, then we got our money and I was like, thank God. OK, now if you would have told me in March or April that I'd be back and up a ton this year, I would have laughed at you because I thought I was going to be down 50 percent. Now, if I'm down 50 percent, that means my revenues down 50 percent. OK, like right away. It's like right away there's no, like, stall.

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So I have to do what's best for my business and I will do it over and over again. I don't care about the criticism. This is my life.

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Do you realize how hypocritical you look? I don't care now, but do you realize I realize that oftentimes I say things that come back that can be misconstrued poorly.

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Yes. And you'd been to a new day to day. Are you ready?

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Tom, I don't know that I've ever directly, like you said, bad things about that are totally inappropriate.

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But no, I've actually said those those comments I've said, I believe to this day have been taken out of context.

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And I so I feel there we go.

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But I bet they're totally different. Like I'm not a back. You can correlate PP loans and Trump supporters want to bet they should publish the list of companies amounts. You were one of the companies, right.

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And I had no problem having it published. You know, I'm not hiding from the fact that I took a loan from the government because we were in the worst crisis since the financial.

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You were like criticizing people who took it? No, I didn't criticize people who took it. I criticized the way they did it. I bet you can, and I still think it sucks and I still think it sucks and there's businesses hurting right now. The way they're distributing money sucks. So, you know, I get you get Sharon in and I got you get pen. Pen gaming went out and took out seven or eight hundred million.

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Just for the record, just for the record for the loans. We didn't take any I personally said I would pay out of my own pocket anything that so no one got fired.

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That's how it went down to I did that to what it was. But it was loans and capital that I put into the business. And that's that's fine. It's worked out honestly. It's worked out. And I'm grateful.

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I don't get, like, straight answers out of that.

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That's where I think people listen back. It's why you took the loan. You killed people who took the loans, then you took the loans.

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If I was going to be like I was an asshole, like I was, I didn't think I was going to get the loan. To be honest, I didn't even think I was getting any.

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That's like semantics, though. It's like, oh, I didn't think I was gonna get it. So I was making fun of it.

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No, I was pissed off. I wasn't making fun. I was pissed off because.

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But what I did for the last one, I can get how they get it. But the second one where you correlate PP loans and Trump supporters when I know you fucking hate Trump, want to bet they should. That is like that's a little different because you're not. You fucking hate Trump.

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Yeah, I was fucking with Trump. You know, listen, Trump's a disaster. It is what it is.

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But again, in the last one, why do you delete tweets you ass. You invited me on your podcast. I said suck my dick.

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I didn't invite you on. I don't have a podcast. When you invited me on something, I'll tell you exactly what happened is people wanted this to happen. People really wanted us to get together. And one of your followers was like, why don't you do a podcast with Dave? And I was like, he's not going to do that. So I tweeted like, oh, you know, Dave, why don't we do it? And then you're like, Oh, fuck you, I'll never do anything with you.

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So I was like, whatever. And I delete it. I delete a lot of tweets, actually. Why? A couple of reasons. Number one, like early on when Trump got elected, I said a bunch of stuff and the Trump people really went after me and, you know, it was bad. And I kind of learned my I maybe I didn't learn my lesson, but, you know, it's kind of a record. So why not go through that record and make sure that you don't screw up too much?

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You know, like sometimes we all tweet. See, I I'm in a tough position. I don't run an entertainment company, so I'm not I don't get pay per click, you know, and so like but you're very much in the entertainment world.

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Anybody who would be like going back and forth of me is in the entertainment world.

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I know. And I listen, I, I look at my TV appearances. This is entertainment, you know, on on financial television because it's so boring. And and so I do try to make it better. And I think you've done a great job making finance more exciting and more fun, definitely more fun. But, you know, it's just it's a tough world when every word that you type is criticized and people like you and me talk a lot and not all the things we say are that great.

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So my only thing with that and I don't delete, I let it stay for the record and people come at me and in my mind, twist a lot of I said, like the Kaepernick thing that you bring up, I think when you look at objectively, you can say it's inappropriate, but it's in the tone of a talk show and what I thought a joke and I think truth to it.

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But when you're giving stock advice. And I'm not I have no proof of it, I'm not saying you do it, but if you're open like I delete tweets, you're going to say, well, it never is me pro or anti stock. How can anyone believe that, like when you're when you're giving financial advice, I feel like giving financial advice on Twitter and if you're following me on Twitter, you shouldn't take that as well.

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Do you certainly give like you've been very anti pen and draft kings? That's financial advice.

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No, I haven't been anti at all. In fact, I'm long online gambling. I think it's a great business. And I think that the stocks were overvalued and now they're coming back into prices that I can buy. And I think Drapkin reports after the close and I hope the stock gets hammered so I can buy it. I use dropkicks. You know, I'm betting on the Masters right now, so I like sports betting.

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So what then? Let's get it to me. I get all the tweets a little bit like the blurry. I can't read it. But what would be your what do we what is penetrating as like sixty two or three, one, two or something. So what would be your price point you get in on that.

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Well I've been looking at it hard because I was looking at your financials and there's some things in there I don't quite get but. If if we can get covered under control, so here's the part I like, is rebranding the sports books as barstool sports books. I don't think you're your app has a lot of competition and and it's just a high cost per customer acquisition. So I think it really drives business into the regular casino. So Penn does about a billion dollars a quarter in regular business in the casinos.

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And most sports books and casinos are just boring as hell now. And they don't really attract young people. And, you know, I'm trying to get MGM to put like a cannabis lounge in the sports book. And they were like, they laughed at me, you know, like, what are you crazy? And I'm like, I own part of the dispensary in Vegas. It's called planet 13. You got to look at this thing, OK?

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Like if you're on a cannabis here, you're missing a huge opportunity.

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And and so, you know, I think the barstool sports book idea resonates with young people. In fact, just the fact that you talk shit about me all the time, it's amazing how many young people think I'm cool now because of that and because of that.

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And and that's kind of why I did the show, even though everybody I know thought it was a really horrible idea. No, I respect you doing it.

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I always will respect people. Come on. And I think it's been fair so far, but continue.

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No, I mean, look, I I'm actually a fan. I'm, you know, honestly, like, I do what I do on Twitter to generate business and generate activity. You know, it's a it's marketing.

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You're right. You're really good at this.

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You go that that's why I would think you would buy pen. Well, the issue with Pen for me was just price. So I was pissed at myself. I didn't buy when I was like thirty five or forty because I think it's worth between let's say forty five and fifty. So if I can get it down to fifty I'm in, I'm in.

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So my pitch and it's not you can do whatever you want when you say cost.

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We're going to be drafting scandal which we pretty much helped build both of those companies.

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Right. And then I would say we're going to be a clear three. We're only in one state, probably like 13 to 15 percent after a month in Pennsylvania. Once we get more states, we didn't spend any money in Pennsylvania, none.

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And now they bought us.

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So they had to pay for the price of buying us about one hundred and sixty five million. You know, it's a lot.

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But I think the last thing was Draft Kings or Fanjul spent two hundred and fifty million in the last month.

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It's the smartest thing Penn could have done. Once again, Penn is like a boring bunch of old casinos and you guys make it better for sure.

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But you did say they are paid for us. You tweeted they overpaid for us. Well, they paid a nice multiple for your business and. You know, once again, my analysis of pennies is a little bit colored by the fact you calling me a fraud.

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So, you know, I am willing to be less critical if you erase your your whiteboard that the what you know, straight on the whiteboard, you fell victim to it.

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And I'll tell you why, because I used to do it during covid when we're inside, I change it every day. But I don't trade from there every day anymore. Very actually, not often.

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So I'm out of the routine. And you were just the last one because it was when we had a flare up.

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But listen, my lawyers, like, freak out. You know, it's like I can't even tell. It's like that's crazy.

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That that's that's crazy. It's like it's comedy. It's called. Well, listen, in my business, when you call somebody a fraud, it's actually a big deal. But but, you know, and I tell you, I'll tell you the truth. Twenty seven years I've been doing this, I've never had a client complaint. I've never had an issue with anybody, honeybun.

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But Ross, you want it? I mean, it wasn't like day one of us going back and forth. If you didn't want, like, those things to be being said, you would have stopped engaging with me months ago.

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Listen, you know, I enjoy engaging with you, to be honest, right? So that's when the lawyers like, well, it's like we're both everybody's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, you know, for some reason you make me laugh. You know, you kind of remind me of John Belushi a lot like young John. You know, you're a great comedian. I love I love your work in a certain way. I you know, I'm not going to lie.

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I like I like it. But but I you know, I really like the fact that you're bringing investing to young people. Young people need to invest and save their money and and trading if you do it right. As a way to build wealth. And and I think you're doing a great job with that. I think you're doing a great job. You work like a mother. I mean, I've never seen a guy work as hard as you.

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So that that's actually what what attracted me to Penn now is you seem like the kind of guy who like the Bitcoin guys a little bit who are so passionate about what they do. They'll you'll die before you're you'll fail. You know what I mean?

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I, I did a rant on that. I appreciate that is twenty years we've been successful and it's not an accident and we're going to make that success.

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I'll drag their asses to the finish line if I have to. But I appreciate you coming on. I said, you know, it's an interesting conversation. You're an interesting guy. You got to play like Nip Tuck look, but you're in the fucking financial world.

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So thanks for coming on. It's an interesting conversation and we'll get that pleasure.

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And once again, feel free to call me in the morning before you do dumb trades. You know, I'm happy to help you.

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You know, I wonder to he turns out I want to be doing them, Ross if I knew they were dumb. So I want to be pleased.

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I know. But you've got to think them out a little. See, the problem is, you know, you're very hyper in the morning and at six thirty one for me at six thirty. You know, you've got to think this out a little bit before you trade. Watch what's happening for a little longer. You end the show typically before I even place a trade, OK, because between six thirty and seven is not really when you want to be trading.

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You know, your end of the day show is when we typically are trading towards the end of the day, not usually at the beginning, but then it would be a lot easier for me to pick up a phone and say, Ross, what do you think?

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And but I've had incredible success. And whether it's my timing or whatever, it's hard to be like, yeah, I've had losers. Definitely. Mark was the fucking worst in my early boinging, all that shit. But all that. I've been pretty good.

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No, I know. And listen. And you owns them a lot of the same stocks I own. But I could have helped you out with fastly. I mean, we have clients who work there. Yeah we do. I nailed Vassili.

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Why. Because we know they were all dumping the stock and the thing.

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No, no, no. I know I got rid of that before I did that, that before their earnings. I didn't trust the earnings. That's on the record.

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I'm not like tracking or trading. I just I just hear what you're trading. And I was like, oh, he's trading facilely.

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You should call. You know, you should call me. I was in on facilely like fifty. Dumped it on one hundred.

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That's a good trade. Listen, that's what it's about. It's about sharing ideas and trying to get better. I have a whole team here that we kicked these ideas around. I don't just like trade randomly stuff. I want people to like, argue with me about the trade. And that's how you get better at it. Just like if I'm going to buy pen, you know, I'd rather come at it not liking pen and having somebody convinced me than me, just like liking it and then never like challenging the idea, you know, this face.

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All right. Thank you, Ross. That was a long conversation. As Ross Gerber Thank you, Dave. Self-proclaimed most brilliant man in the universe.

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Come on. You are. I'll talk to you later. All right. Take care, Dave. All right.

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So that was Ross Gerber. How do you think that went, Dave? I mean, I think it was interesting. I mean. It's kind of expected. I mean, it's a guy that's never going to admit he's wrong. I think the two points and you know. Would I ever give money to invest? No does is he working a business? Yes. Has he been successful?

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I know he nailed Tesla, so he made a shit ton of there. Who knows? I will say when he doesn't want to answer a question, he just will not answer it directly.

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Like, why do you charge money if you're losing?

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He didn't answer. And the PP loan thing, he I mean, I didn't think he gave a very good explanation of that. He brought the cap like just like not even remotely similar.

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So do you like him more after that or about the same? No opinions change. I listen.

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I respect people continually engage with me, so and he comes on, you gain my respect when you do, that's when Sam Ponder got my face.

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I never, like, hated Ross Gerber.

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He's kind of exactly what I thought he would be. What do you think is like a third person?

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I think I think at the end of the day, whenever you get into a new medium, Dave Portnoy, like you, you always you gravitate towards a new enemy. And he was just he was player y, you know what I mean? He was.

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Yeah, but I never had, like, the personal true hatred to him that I have had for other people. He said some dumb things like the racism and whatever, and he didn't. Mitty's like I just say I don't like Ben because you call me a fraud. Hilarious as lawyers are like you should sue him. It's like, what are you talking about?

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Yeah, I mean, I thought he was I thought it was pretty good. I just don't think he really knows, like, because he was like, no, I'm not in entertainment. But he's like, why delete tweets? Because, you know, I don't want to be in it. So it's like, well, what do you what do you really what are you really doing? Correct.

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Cause I wouldn't want. To invest money and lots of money with somebody who is deleting tweets. I I feel you, but at the same time, are we the only are we the outlier because this is our life on line where it is wrong.

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But there's something about being in the financial community where it's like almost like PIC's. He says he's a gambling guy. Like if you're giving out pics, they get to live there and he's saying he's never deleted those. But it's a slippery slope. Yeah.

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Anything that's deleted and someone could bring up like, oh, what about this? What happened with this that they could point you to to make it look like, hey, you intentionally got rid of this is tough.

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Right? Interesting conversation. It was interesting. I don't I don't know a ton about the whole financial industry, like I said, but I was interested. That was that was an interesting conversation.

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What's your what's your thing with how many how many coffees you drink it? I used to drink more ever since Kevin came into my life. I've drank less because Spider, you see coffees and when they got halfway empty, I had a new one. Kevin, I generally have to remind that I need a coffee every single day. I keep a little note pad like, oh, how many days in a row will I have to tell me in a coffee when I show up?

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I like to go through three or four. Not I mean, I like the up, I like the uppity up, you know, were you bound by Bill saying he's just not a coffee guy?

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You know, like. No, I'm not it doesn't surprise me, actually, he's just a unique, weird guy. Yeah, I mean, he he marches to the beat of his own drum, very much so. What percentage of people you say are not coffee people? Less than half, I'd say, right? Oh, I think 80 percent is coffee, I think. Yeah, 80, 20, 80.

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Coffee 29. We got 64 percent from the National Coffee Association, but it may be skewed because they are the National Coffee Association. True. Always make sure you look who those studies are by. That's very cute. Sixty three percent from a different source. OK. There you go. I feel like a generally like Bill Belichick may never have had coffee. Like you like, I feel like across this desk, I feel like coffee is kind of like barsoum.

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You either never heard of it or you love it like you want coffee wins you over like you want, if you have it twice, it's like, oh, I like this. I like I like this jam.

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And there was no in between with Belichick. It's either here's going to be none or he was going to be a 12 cups a day guy.

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Right. Right, correct. But he doesn't strike me as like a frantic type guy. His personality doesn't strike me as coffee. The monotone, you know, he doesn't strike me as a coffee guy.

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Is he a Diet Coke guy? Because there's a lot of those, you know, the excesses of Diet Coke, McShay is a Diet Coke guy always. Yeah, he is.

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And they just, you know, that's just like their thing. They always have them when they're gone. Yeah. I was McShay, you think he'd come on the show? Mm hmm. I finally yeah, I think so. If he's allowed to on ESPN, a lot of people have questions about McShay. Yeah. How often you guys talk? Not often anymore.

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I mean, we talk to many of the Breeders Cup because whenever we have some sort of mishap at the Breeders Cup, Elio likes to run like a little girl to McShay and complain when he just can't make it.

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He doesn't want to go. Do you guys give him shit about not going?

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So it's usually football season, so he can't go like the Breeders Cup falls the same time. It's the middle of football season, so he's never is never an option.

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But how much is he doing now? Is he just got in college right now? Is that like you because of Korona? Yeah, but because of Korona. And because he's he's the draft guy now.

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He's he's all over the place. I mean, he he was doing like sideline games for ESPN. He was on the sideline every Saturday. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah he he was. Who did he ask that he had like a big sideline moment.

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When was it Scott Frost. I don't know.

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I'm trying to trying to think I know what you're referring to, but so he's he's busy in normal times every single football season. Yeah.

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He's doing a lot more. I don't know if for some reason, obviously with Kiper McShay, I just I still clearly I know he does more focused on the draft.

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So what is does he like, live in Boston still or was he is he think he moved to Nantucket actually four full time right now.

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Oh, yeah. That's nice. Are you jealous of that? I mean, no, no. I wouldn't want to be there in the winter. Why is it like all shut down?

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It's just it's a brutal place in the winter. I mean, it's an island in the middle of fucking New England, in the middle of the ocean. It's terrible weather. It's like high suicide rates and shit in those places during the winter.

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Really. It's pretty depressing.

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That is depressing. Yeah. Is there a school on there and shit.

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Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons they maybe have good school system. So and he was I was maybe speaking out of turn, but I think that had something to do with it.

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Some other news, like I said, we got some news stories, though, wondering CEO. Obviously there were some charges in like April L.A. Times of the story that says he vows to fight the federal corruption charges. So apparently he is among two former Fox TV executives that were charged with money laundering and wire fraud over alleged bribes involving broadcasting rights to the World Cup and other high profile soccer tournaments. That's their words. If you come across this guy, like, do you know him at all?

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Well, he's the guy who tried to he was at the heart of the call her daddy scandal. Right. That's supposedly where they were going. So he's a scumbag. Clearly, there's no problem interfering with existing contracts and being devious, dishonest and scumbag ish. So if the shoe fits, wear it.

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What do you think about I mean, I guess did you know that he has a deal with it in place now? So I guess wonder is a deal with Turner Entertainment. It's earned some of the podcasts and movies and TV's. I found that interesting.

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I didn't know that. Yeah. So there's like a little crossover. Yeah.

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I mean, turn's involved in a lot, you know, they'll do anything that will make them think they make money. I assume that deal is in place before they were scumbag's with us, but I wouldn't say that would prevent, you know, our dealings won't affect what Chernin chooses to do.

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And obviously a lot of people are getting swept up in the podcast space, like I think they might have had a deal with Apple on a table if it didn't go through already. Obviously, Simmons and Spotify, is there any word on our kind of network has been any more talks or anything like that?

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Not really. It is surprising to me because we have such an overpowering network that there's nothing in place that I'm aware of any serious stuff going on.

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What's the latest on that?

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I think I put it at ninety nine point nine percent dead. I would now put it at 95 percent dead.

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All right. So the doors crack and open a little more.

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There was maybe a glimmer of them not fucking around anymore with their offers. I mean, like, yeah, we know we were actually wildly insulting with our offer. Let us start over and forget that previous offer. Maybe ninety five percent dead is still pretty high, but at least there's acknowledgement like, yeah, that was a joke offer.

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OK, so the insult meant I mean, being insulted is kind of oh, off.

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We'll see what they come with next if they do. But at least it's like yeah no that let's just pretend that didn't happen. Is that supposed to be soon, is that going to come in, disappear? I don't know. Eric is the one really dealing with it more than I am, so I don't really know the exact answer. How familiar are you with a art show, Milda, I saw the story you're about to say, but I really haven't listened to it like ever.

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So for the people that don't know, ESPN had massive layoffs, I think it was last week to their production team. One of Dan's producers got laid off. His name is Chris, I believe.

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And Jay or something. Yeah, Chris Coté, something like that. And obviously, Dan, I think they got a tight knit group down there. He just hired him as his personal assistant and gave him a raise. What did you think of that move?

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Great move. I would be bullshit if I was Libertador Labrada, I think has been fairly critical of me and barstool. I'm not quite sure why, but he has been. But this is a stand up move. And by the way, if he didn't know it was coming as the wild on ESPN, but well, first of all, that would never happen here. No successful show. You just rip somebody off of it. That's crazy.

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But great. Move by him. Stand up. Move.

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You don't even think there's a possibility that we get too big or something like that happens here.

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If Dan Libertador show works and I think it does.

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No, like part of my take is never, no matter what, going to be like, hey, Hank's gone or call her daddy. We fucking hired a guy hated because they were so successful. Grenelle Moron never going to get fired because spin is successful foreplay if you're successful. If you're making money, then, no, you're not going to ever have that happen here. No.

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Yeah, it would be like taking Liam off of PMT to something like that.

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No chance that's ever going to happen a million years if your show works and you're delivering the goods. You can't cost cut there. It's a wild move, so even if there's there's still you still have 100 percent control of that may even. Yeah, yes.

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There's nobody at this company who. How would I phrase it? Like, if Erica, whatever she does on the third floor, the business floor, she does and I'd never like I don't care, I don't interfere.

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But if for some reason we're getting rid of somebody there, like, I don't think we should get rid of that person that we keep that person I have I can't keep anybody I want.

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So you trust the people you have in place to do whatever they want to do with their job. But if there were forever a reason for you to pull the to pull the switch, you have that switch still.

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Yes, OK. And so does Erica. I mean, it's not like I'm saying, but we just generally see eye to eye and both trust each other enough where if it's like one of us is going to bat for or against somebody, we're generally like on the same page.

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I also saw that they might be I don't know if they're not being renewed by ESPN or they might be looking for a new place. I said, I don't think Leadbitter likes bar stool. I don't he might they be I believe, pfft, might have had a relationship with the show at some point, but I don't know.

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Do you see any, any landing spot here or is that something you'd be interested in or again I think he's taken a few shots at us unprovoked because I actually used to say like Libertador on his arm, part of my pardon, PTI, that's how I first became like, really familiar. And I thought he was the only white Fill-in that I could still watch the show.

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Usually I bang when he, like, showed up, whatever.

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So I liked him. Obviously, I don't like people who take shots at me, so I start not like him and I'm not even sure why.

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You know, one of the things that happens, obviously, I don't know how much he makes, probably a lot. So it's like. I don't know what good would he we haven't hit home runs, hiring very expensive talent to come over. Like what? What do we get out? Because it's so expensive already, which probably is why he got laid off. It's hard to make any money on the show, you know, so that I won't see him ever coming here.

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No.

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What's been the biggest example of someone who's kind of high level and, you know, gets paid a lot that didn't work out in the past.

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Take a wild guess. I have a couple, but I have one that I think is a pretty good example.

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Well, sure, and that was and that was a nice parting. I have one that was a nice parting, one that was not at all OK.

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I'm thinking the one that was not at all. And he's his name rhymes with Rappoport.

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Is he forbidden from being talked about on these airwaves?

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No. I mean, he was suing us. I know that it's like which is bananas because he lives in a fantasy land. And I don't even know if that thing. Ever ended? I mean, I still have footage. I'm going to release one day of like I did the I did the meeting with the lawyers, the deposition. It was all day. And I and I just made his lawyers look so stupid. But I don't know, he's crazy.

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I mean, he's legit off the reservation and whatever.

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He's still suing us or it's and I don't even know it's been going on for so long as so dumb. And the fact he's still doing it just shows how crazy he is. But that was what I was thinking is the example that totally blew up in our face. What was the one you were thinking of? McAfee. McAfee worked, though, like McAfee. The only thing that sucks in my lesson I learned with McAfee, McAfee worked for the most part, like he got out of it what he wanted, we got out of it, what we wanted.

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So I think back at the McAfee situation worked.

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The lesson I learned with the McAfee is he sort of like a pseudo competitor now, you know, and he couldn't have been unless he came here. He just basically went to school. The big lesson in an onslaught of Bubley ganged and stab me in the back like he it also would be a different situation. He probably still be here? No, maybe not that he probably was going to leave. But Bubley gang and his behavior certainly paved the way for it.

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But what I learned in the lesson learned, if you work here, we do something like that. You can't solicit people who work for us then to work for you, like because he can't just go create his own business if we didn't give him all the infrastructure that he just took, you know, so without that, it's much more difficult.

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So, like, if somebody new was to do that, if we're going to hire somebody, all right, we're doing BASTABLE like, I don't know, Wyoming or whatever it is and build an office and we're going to promote it and help hire and give you support like those people who now work for you but are working for us. When you leave if you leave us start over. You can't take everything with you when you go. That was a mistake on our part.

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That's what I learned.

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But overall, the maturity thing, I want it. I would not say ended. But McAvey was always, you know, he's on ESPN, he's doing this thing, he didn't need us for that. So Macfie is going to always go do his own thing. I won't say it was bad. He brought us new audience. We brought him new audience. He learned from us. It got a little dicey there at the end, primarily because of all the shit the bubbly gang like Bubbly Gang.

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I put Bubley gang in charge of McAvey. I don't say in charge, but I trusted them like, hey, Pat's a high maintenance guy that you got to be on top of. I trust you. You deal with them little. And I know he was just saying how bad Bastar was to McAvey the entire time, so that sucked.

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But I mcavey I would not say what ended poorly.

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That's almost as good as it can go, except we learn that lesson moving forward.

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So in a sense, he saw how the pizza sausage is made. He saw how the, you know, the cheese were shredded. But how do you stop from want someone from, you know, kind of taking that on? Well, I don't know how that's done.

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No, but he it wasn't only that he took the pizza makers with them and the oven and the Conex like I had to call. Like five seconds after he left from advertising, I just so you know, like publishing has already contacted me with entire sales sheet. So this was like this is already in motion. There's a lot more underhanded shit going on than maybe meets the eye. And without you and without Bubley gang, it's very hard. Like Bubblegum was with me for 15 years, the sales contacts, all that shit.

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So there's no risk leaving because he had publishing.

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So if there was a Swampscott Dave Portnoy Pizzeria in a Milton Dave Portnoy Pizzeria, the Milton Branch fucking just took everything they had. And they they just took took all the infrastructure and everything like that, like.

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There's Prince Pizza, like Prince Pizza got in a fight with this. Yeah, yeah, well, the guy worked for Prince Pizza, learn the recipe, made the pizza and just went down the street. There's nothing can stop it. Like I said, the main thing, the only thing that I would do differently because Pat was always going to leave. He says the business side, they fucked up and it wasn't you know, it wasn't as bad as I think he made it out to be.

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He had some rightful gripes, but he he was a big star. And you don't need us to go on ESPN, WWE. He's always going to be a big star. He's so fucking talented.

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The only thing I would have done different again is.

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All right. Good luck. Best of luck. But you can't bring with you anybody who worked like for us and everybody worked out like we're in I'm building the office like a lot of the people who applied for jobs for him found out about it through us.

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So he used our network to build this thing and it took everything you wanted or worked with them. That's the one thing. And this isn't just a McAvey thing. This is a moving forward thing. Like you live and learn. You know it. I want it.

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That would be the only difference in the way it's structure. It's like if you leave, you can't solicit our own employees, but to a different degree.

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I do think you're kind of too nice and you're kind of like, hey, you know, we'll be fine. So you go do your thing because look at this. You're going to give caller daddy the IP. It sounds like you gave Chef the twenty dollars chef IP like, I don't know, is it going to be kind of hard for you to really do that when it comes time to do it.

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No, again caller, I wasn't given call her daddy. The IP out of the goodness of my heart, they had been kind of held over a barrel. It's like we needed to get fucking revenue going. Sheff's. IP is of no value. I gave Jenna marbles hers, the IP is different. I'm not trying to stunt. A McAfee's growth or Sheff's growth, but I don't want to compete versus you in that sense either by taking like our talent.

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To me, it's a different sort of way to equate it.

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Maybe say if for some reason Riggs wanted to go. Yep. Maybe you would give him four play notes. You obviously would not give him the barstool classic. No, no.

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Riggs will get none of that. Riggs won't get for play. He won't get past classic. He couldn't take Franki, he couldn't do any of it. Like Riggs could go create a new golf brand in this scenario, like Riggs Golf or something else, but nothing else. Interesting.

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And then would you have Bubley King on the show? Is this something you think we kind of know?

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No, no, no. He he is. Because there's very few people that I consider myself truly friends with, he was one never. So you genuinely hate him, he's just dead to me. I told him that the second happened. And do you is that one person, though, like, is that. Yeah, pretty much. OK, so I mean. I know.

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I know. I know Fehlberg was like invested in it, but the malus of what was going on, like there was one guy who operated, drove, created this operation.

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He did take a sales guy from our team, though, right. Who Bubley Browner didn't go far enough. In, out. Yeah, no.

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He had the whole second floor working for him. I mean, I he a tech guy that. What's his face, hunter, Jeff Hunter is with me for over a decade, I haven't talked to him since, like I knew him for a decade. He stole our website. He literally went in, took the code, stole it. I mean, it's crazy. It's just the amount of it's just crazy. So no. I think he thinks I'll forget, like I occasionally get something like I don't like I'm not hate's not the word like because I don't really think about, but I don't forget, like, oh, it's easy.

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He's doing great with McAfee and whatever. He's just like. I don't forget, like you did that, and now just because four years later, it's like, OK, yeah, no, a good not dead dead to me and they're say, I don't wish him ill will.

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I'm glad the Rosie thing failed. But it's like other than that, I wish him well. Well he's just you play the cards now you go do you. And you're dead to me.

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Was there ever any ramifications that this could have had that really would have affected barstool in your eyes or. It is all those things where it's like he just turned your back on, he just turned his back on you when it's like, hey, you don't you don't fucking do that, pal.

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No, I mean, obviously, the biggest ramification was probably how it ended with McAvey. Like, we probably would have ended, I think, in a more positive way. But not long term now, not long term, this kind of escape by a little bit with, like, blame here, like, is there a sense of that? It's like, you know, bubble gets all the gang. But is there a sense of like, hey, Pat had to know what he was doing.

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I don't want to say skates by again because Pat's going to be like wildly successful no matter what he does. The only difference I would say I would never do what he did in the sense of I knew public gang for 15 years. And like you, is one of my good friends, if and I'm sitting there basically screaming, this guy just fucked me over, I would then never go hire that guy. Like, to me, that relationship, I was always.

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Huh, that's like that. Other than that, like if it was his best friend who work for him and was like 15 years in that part was like, this guy fucked me over.

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This guy fucked me over. I've never been like, hey, come work with me. I wouldn't do that. That's other than that. No, again, Pat, because Pat was going to be wildly successful, is wildly successful regardless if he ever came into barstool sports or not. He's just wily, like talented, successful guy.

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So you think regardless, OK, you give Pat McAfee a microphone, he's going to have a good podcast. He's going to be contacting WWE. He's going to do all this on his own. Yes. I thought you were surprised at the sake that he would.

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And I also think Pat's not like driven by money like I've seen. And he left the gold. He does things. He's like a pride guy. And so he's an interesting cat. So I don't like again, I don't I think most of intentions are truly pure and straightforward. And I feel like he and I have always been straightforward with each other.

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I do if anybody hate him, it's not me. I think the sales business people, as I drag them, I think they would be more like because they shouldered 100 percent of the blame and it wasn't devious. It wasn't underhanded. Like, I can understand why Pat was mad at them, but there was no ill will. And he may have crafted that a little bit as like this is why I have to go when it's like he was ready to do his own thing, I think.

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All right. So then I guess my last question about this all is, was there a certain client that they pulled with them over there that never came back to barstool?

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No, not aware of. OK, so nothing as far as that goes. All right, I mean, Bubley gang is legitimately one of the main things people are always interested in.

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Yeah. And it sucks as well. It's one of the worst things that happened since this business started. Again, it takes a lot for me to put ultimate trust. Yet at the same time as Bubley being Bubley, if you like, you have one person in your life who's going to like fucking do this. Oh, bubbly gang.

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I mean, so, you know, a tiger doesn't change his stripes. Yeah. Tommy Heinsohn, Boston Seitz's announcer, Heinsohn, sorry, yeah, passed away, you said one of your top ten Boston guys, you know, almost more than players, announcers, great announcers who have been with teams for like decades.

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I mean, more to a fan than the players. And Heinsohn wasn't only an announcer, Tommy. He was a Hall of Fame player with Bill Russell. He was a coach, won championships.

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He's universally like Mr. Celtic, maybe Red Auerbach and, you know, passionately Boston, passionately. Homer grew up listening to him. Just sad. But I mean, sad that he was old, but still sad. I work for a sports company before this where I'd have to watch, like so many November, December, like Celltex Hornets games are just like games nobody cared about. But it was always a treat to have the Celtics home broadcasts because he was fucking true, you know, and I mean, the Celtics never committed a foul ever, ever not want to.

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But you don't really get it anymore, you know. I mean, there's no doubt everywhere he talks like this and it's like, welcome to the broadcast. You know what I mean?

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Yeah. No, I would I always Johnny most was another, like, wild Celtics announcer like one of the favorite clips of all time. If you can pull up.

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It's like with the Pistons that the way they do things, they say I'm an idiot while I say these people are idiots.

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It's like one of the all time, all time, all time clips.

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Yeah, it was he's he was a great one man. He really was.

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And I think most. That's, for example, Johnny Mercer reporting for The Boston Globe, and I was going to feed him my stuff. Now Rodman is all over bird at the violent violent knocked out by Lanphier. Oh, my. A completely unnecessary, foul, violent bear to have the audacity to complain about something they call a dirty bomb. And I can see why this is costing to play by dropping Lanphier and Isiah Thomas. They know why they don't think they're the best.

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The best. No surprise. Pistons. Yeah, he was. Yeah. No, that was. He was. You just don't get that authenticity anymore also. All right. Peter Leroy as well. Yes. Dong. Yep. Very sad.

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Always dogs are like so hard to lose dog some inside bar stool stuff here.

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How is the weekend? We got into a little bit off the top.

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How is that private jet with 17 kids in there with Elías kids?

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Yeah. Oh, it was good.

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I mean, I was a kid, guys, so like, you know, he kept them under control, but it was different than in any private plane I'd been on recently. The most say thank you to Mr. Dave.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The thank you. And then there was that video that he caught of his daughter when he was. So they have family there and they're saying his brother in law's and like the brother in law must have kids.

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And one of the daughters like Leo's friends, Rich, we flew on a private jet.

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That's got to be kind of cool for you. Yeah, it was I would have rather.

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Analia, want a couple more races. See that Colt?

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Yeah, it was very cold and just texted me, hit the pic five, fifteen times. I know what the fuck that means. Grady's hitting them now.

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Exactly. And then you landed there. So did you do the Goodfellows redemption interview.

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Grace was right when we got off the plane. Everything cool there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a fair review.

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You did look a little uneasy, though, I will say. Well, I don't know if that was going to get, like, whacked. I guess you were coming. It was a big deal. There was a lot of looking over there. I mean, I walked in and the first thing you killed is like, oh, I did a book report on that incident. Does the guy from the original review that kicked you out still work there?

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You know, he got relocated to Cincinnati.

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Was it good review?

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It was interesting. You looked definitely uneasy. Like I said, this is something we talked about earlier in the week. OK, who you and I talked about it. Yeah, we talked about it earlier this week. OK, people have been putting your DMS on tick tock.

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Oh yeah. And well, ok. Well yeah, yeah.

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You you messaged me and you're like, hey, this wasn't for the show. You texted me like, hey, heads up. This girl's posting your your DMS on Instagram.

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D.M. is on Instagram.

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And I looked at it, I'm like, oh all right.

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It was very recent like I had done with her in the morning. And it's how I generally feel.

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So I'm like, if you want to talk about on the show, we can talk about on the show because. Yes. My conversations are ending up on social media. More often than I like, I don't necessarily care, but the bigger issue I have is I'm consistently being made out to look what I feel like is a lot creepier and weirder than I actually am.

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And I don't think I'm acting out of turn or inappropriate at all. But it's there selective like screenshots that are being shared.

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And this was a perfect example in my mind. Yeah.

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So I was getting these texts from my buddies around here. Some girl from Chicago was sharing D.M. She was sharing that you followed her and that message her. Oh, hey. And I'm like, all right. Like you don't beat up Buddy beat a friend like Hey Dave. Like, just so you know, like don't don't say anything to horny here, like this girl sharing them and you're like, I don't give a fuck but thanks. And then you showed me your perspective and she had already hit you up twice with like an emoji and like a picture of how she has a twin.

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And you're like, see, this is what I fucking hate. They don't show how the conversation starts, starts because I rarely are. You know, I don't really usually initiate it. I have slid into maybe uninitiated.

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Five DM's me being like this girl, so pretty, and there's something about her that I'm just going to shoot my shot. It's always Girlguiding to me, this girl.

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Like you said, I don't remember the exact I don't know if you have, but it's like it was an emoji, a hello. I thought she was cute. I maybe said hello. And then she said, there's two of us. She had an identical twin sister. I hadn't even made a move. If this is an all shoot out, my gun is still in the holster like I haven't even begun. And she's like, there's two of us to which I replied, Do I get both?

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Which I think any male with two, like hot.

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I mean, that's not even a fantasy that you think is even remotely doable. And she's like, basically, if you're lucky. Yes. And then I was like, all right, well, how do we make it happen? I think I'm go to Miami in like next week. I'm like I think that's why I sound like I'm going to be in Miami in two weeks. So I go, I can't go to Miami. I work. And I remember because I sent you the text Addy, and she's like, well, I'm in Chicago, so come to Chicago.

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And I just kind of ended the whole conversation.

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I'm like, I have no plans to be there any time soon. If I do get back to Chicago, I'll try to remember that you exist. Isn't that what I said?

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It was such a great line. And I don't know, like this is where it just proves that this is just how you fucking are. And it's just not. It's because this hypothetically, you never thought to sort of in the light of day. Never. But yeah, she says make your way to Chicago after Miami. You simply said not happening. And she says, I love it when a man tells me, no, that was hot. You said, haha.

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Well I'm not a big fan of wasting my time. If I'm ever in Chicago, I'll try to remember you exist.

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And that was the end of it. I thought that would be the last communications ever with this girl.

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And then like I don't know, I don't know if it's the next day or whatever you like.

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Just heads up this girl sharing all your shit. It's like. What are you sharing like you came into my world unannounced, uninvited, and we're like, hey, I have an identical twin you down for like a threesome with an identical twin. They're both hot. And I did go nuts. It was like, all right. Yeah, well, if you want to, I'll be in Miami.

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If you come to my if you're there, like all a threesome, probably with two identical twins, I twist my arm if you're going to go out there. And then after that, it's like, no, because I've done whatever and I'll never remember.

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I like that. I would have never remembered that person, but. I don't know what she was posting, I don't think it was like the hey, you want to have a threesome with an identical twin? I don't think it was like, hey, it's hot. You said, no, none of it is just like I'm a crazy person and I'm telling you, I get a million girls now slide into my dad literally like it. I'm not complaining.

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I get a lot. I don't respond to a lot. People say I do. I don't. It's the sheer number and I never slide in. But it's like whatever I got, there's almost nothing I ever say publicly, privately that I'm ashamed of. I just think it's bullshit when they cut out, like, begging me to talk or whatever and hang out. And then I'm like, all right, I'll fuck you. Or whatever it may be.

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That's all they put. That's unfair.

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Well, you don't want, like, overly horny messages out there.

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That's just like but it's like never overly horny at the like. If it gets overly horny, it's it's not off like the jump. It's like they've sent me. Like, if somebody sends me something so graphic, what am I not supposed to reply? If I'm talking to somebody for a couple of weeks and they send something so overly horny and I send back a dick pic, I'm not saying I do. And they're like, oh, Dave sent me my dick without saying the preface.

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That's not fair.

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I mean, it's safe to say that you're fired those days with reckless abandon.

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Oh, yeah, mine I am. But it's never like unsolicited. It's never like, holy shit. I just going to unsolicited. I don't edit. I don't shoot first. Never it's.

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Are you, are you, are you overly horny though. No.

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You're proper horny. You believe. I think a proper love.

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Look at that exchange Michelangelo.

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Eddie, do you think I was improperly horny during that exchange. No, you weren't improperly horny. But was that because there was a couple steps you have to take? Like if that girl's if she's down the street in Hell's Kitchen, like, are, you know, OK, no, no, no.

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Different than that was the appropriate. She was far hornier than I was asking.

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If you get both is the only question you can ask when you talk to us and when she's like, I have there's another one of me.

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Yeah. It's like the Winklevoss is there's two of me or six five. There's like, wait, what? It's like I didn't bring that up.

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It's like, you sure she led with the picture of herself and then was like, there's two of me. Well, OK, what else am I supposed to say?

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Any guy would take that bait. Yeah, any guy. Yeah.

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I also don't love and Morgan Walland went through it where everyone I know he got a lot of shit in its own right because he was making out those girls earn the pandemic but everyone was like oh my gosh, their 22 year old college girls.

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It's like I don't know, it's the people try to shame me for that is pure jealousy. They don't shame Leonardo DiCaprio for it. A gorgeous 23 year old girl who will slide in my dreams. I think you're cute, funny and like, I'll fuck your face off. Oh, no, sorry.

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I can't I can't hope to mature for that. Get out of here. Get out of here.

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I'm a single fucking guy.

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Well, there you go. It's cleared. That's put to rest. Dave says about five or so that you've initiated.

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Five to ten since I've been doing this, I thought, I really wonder those five the time.

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And I think you owe to yourself on one. One was the bachelorette girl, right? That wasn't even.

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Yeah, but that was I met her in Vegas like I met her before I did that I don't think counts.

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Can I have you do one right now. Could I live vicariously through you.

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Slide in randomly to one. Can you slide in Kate Beckinsale. Demps. She's single. She's always dating like fucking these young guys, like she's always like in the limelight.

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I feel like she's like I don't know.

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She's like I don't think the power Portnoy wouldn't make a dent in her eyes. She has a fucking clue.

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But you could do it and you could blame me. You'd be like, oh, I was like a podcast thing, you know?

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All right, let's see what we got. Kate Beckinsale. I mean, this has no chance. Well. Let's think about this here. You got a chair, I just followed her, I wasn't following her. IDM, Jennifer answered a couple of months ago, follows bad news, the guy who rhymes with Rappoport oh, also P.K. Subban, maybe he could do an all right.

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So message. Can you message somebody? Yeah, I think that's the same thing as the. Oh, I got it, I got it. Oh, I know, I asked Lindsey. Von. And she follows both of them for some reason. Von. And Piqué for an intro fort's. All right, sent it. I asked Lindsey Vonn and Piqué for an internal thoughts. It was good to you to be into that, right? That was a good that's great.

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I mean, I don't I put my chances of her seeing it at like zero point one and my chances of her replying at point zero zero zero zero zero zero one.

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But I'm not ashamed to slid into Kate Beckinsale or tried to Daems Kampia. I've had that on the sheet for three for three weeks now where I've wanted you to see her.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Listen, if she responds, my head will not fit through any door.

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In the world, in the world, I couldn't I couldn't fit in the big house at an hour, they make noise heads to big like he we have to, like, airlift them to.

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I think he got a bigger shot than you think. I think you do.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Changping all over the fucking car.

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But she's I feel like she's not with, like, normal dudes, like she's with like tattooed guys and like artists and not not guys who eat pizza.

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We'll see. Know, we shall see. Imagine. Imagine if she got back to be something sappy, great.

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I would I would feel like like like a love connector for life.

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I mean, it it would be probably my greatest accomplishment. I'm not joking.

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Have you got with anyone famous? I mean, I've got to say who, but. No, no, no. So that's surprising now from a film from Kate Beckinsale to White Sox, Dave, the most White Sox Dave tweet of all time, of all time.

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It was just when I saw it. I just like fucking Dave. It's perfect, I always say those White Sox Jews, yeah, Jews, Tony La Russa got the DUI. So White Sox, Dave, he's in a frenzy when shit like that happens. Rightfully so. And someone someone said someone 200 something and he quoted and said, here, here's what I received about the White Sox juice.

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And Reinsdorf is Jewish. Is Ransdorf Jewish? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah.

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So he's just I mean, he's a guy you you know, I knew he was special the first time I saw him with that gum in his mouth.

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I literally called big guy, who the hell is this guy? And he's like, that's White Sox, Dave. I'm like, he's electric. We need them. And he's like, Yeah, but he can't do it on purpose. He's like that. Like, I'm like, What do you mean? He's like that. You'll get those moments from him. But they're not planned. You can't recreate. It's just him. He's like I, I agree.

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When he's, when he's, when he's on there's nobody better. But he's, he's, he just doesn't know. I mean there's nobody else like him but he's big. That's right. He's not he's just that's what makes him White Sox.

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David. Very unintentionally funny. And it's so fucking funny when it happens, you know, so fine, besides that little I mean, I feel like there's this is going to be the weekly Frank the Tank minute. You love this Yoda video I thought was brilliant.

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That was a great tweet. Like, this is what companies think of when they're like, how can we be them? They must fucking slam their guests on the table and see them just study in what we do.

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They're like, how do we close the gap? Why are they gaining? How is barstool come out of nowhere, relatively speaking?

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And then you just get the tank and a Yoda match getting ready to play Jenga.

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And it's like, damn it, like we thought, you're closing the gap and you know, we're close fucking tank.

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I think the stool strain's numbers like tripled while he was playing. He's the tank.

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He brings a heat. He brings the heat. You posted Wednesday was Veterans Day. You posted that you went to that the marine ball with chaps.

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I don't want to you remember there's a Marine birthday ball. I got invited by Ryan Constantine, I think his name is who was a Marine stationed out in San Diego. And he he hit me up out of the blue.

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He is from originally. Wistar, I think, ah, Massachusetts area is like everyone always amazed. Girls are there, like celebrities like I just kind of want to hang out. It's like I'm a huge pastel fan. Would you come out? So I did. And chaps can go to any of them because he's obviously a vet.

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So it was a true honor and I enjoyed it. We've told the story chaps got belligerently drunk. Are we having some problems, just that little hiccup sound, but I could get rid of it, so. So, so, so, so. There's a sound every time we talk. Again, feedback, can you hear me OK? Yeah, so chaps got belligerently drunk, I mean, belligerently, and the dude who's in a tuxedo and nobody knows who he is.

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Grabs the microphone in front of like 400 people and gives an impromptu speech unannounced.

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And everyone was like, who the fuck is this guy? And it took chaps. Two minutes into a 10 minute speech to mention that he was a former Marine, so everyone's like, who is this fucking guy?

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It was wild. And then we all went out afterwards.

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And chaps, again, have told the story, told the guy who invited me a bunch of his friends, hey, you can wear your uniforms out, which you're not supposed to do normally, but chaps like, no, I'm like ahead of you or whatever the code is.

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I say, you can do it. You can do it.

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So we go to the Western Bar, chaps goes home early. He's like, I got an early flight obliterated. They're all in uniforms, chap leaves.

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Some drill sergeant guy came up to us and ripped these kids assholes.

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I kicked us out of the bar for them wearing the uniforms.

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I was getting yelled at. I'm like, I'm not even in the fucking Marines, dude.

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Like, what are you yelling at me for? It was unreal. It was out of a movie.

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Was that your realization that they're like, hey, I, I couldn't have done this.

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I always knew I couldn't have done this. I didn't need that to know I couldn't be a Marine.

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And then some also some awesome feel good story, some awesome shit by some Balzano employees. In the same vein, Kirkman Ahan show Ray STK for a VFW hall and then t did a great thing with Chris Snickets. He has Down Syndrome.

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He completed an Ironman triathlon, so could both great both great stories, both consistent to the overall arc of barstool that we raise money for good causes not to get Pat on the back and not to be like look at us, but just because we have good people here, whether people want to believe it or not.

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For sure, let's do a couple of listener emails here and then we'll get out of here. All right, so let's move it to listener emails once again if you want to get an email in Sunday's Today Pawni Show at BASTABLE Sports Dotcom. Dave, this one's from Robbie. You mentioned your mom is a teacher before. Has it ever been an issue or has there ever been a time where her students were a fan of you?

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No, my mom's team, Basel, all the way and probably would like tell her kids to, like, read it all the time, so. No, no.

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What about someone? This one's from Sam, actually. Kind of a two parter here with your mom. You mentioned that you only care about the girl, the federal crime. But has your mom or sister or anybody in the family at Thanksgiving ever brought anything up like that?

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No. Oh, my federal crime. Yes, your federal crime. I've told this I thought you meant the teacher sex scandal. Yeah, we were in Miami at dinner. It happened six months. The video was out for six months. And my dad finally brought it up and he he essentially said, did I leak it? He thought I was trying to be a Kardashian. I was like, what are you talking about? And that was the only time we talked about it.

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He was like, nothing would surprise me with you, which I guess is fair. For the record, though, he was live on Sirius the next day with Smitty and Smitty, like beat around the Bush like 800 times about the tape and he never caught out. No. Well, he's not the brightest bulb.

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This one's from Nate, any update on buying the naming rights to the stadium? No, I think it's in the Bills court. We're serious about it. I don't think much progress. I think it it's a long shot, not because we're not ready to pony up, but I think just the NFL and whatnot. But we'll see. This was from Zach, do you know if the mural is still alive and well in Youngstown? It is the Youngstown mural.

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We asked him that the other day, said it's still there. And he plans to go check it out again. Love Youngstown once gambling's legal in Ohio, I'm sure will be there.

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Last one here from Bill. Hey, Dave, it's been a while since we've heard from Debbie, any idea and when her next appearance will be, we just scheduled trip with her.

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She's doing pizza reviews on her own.

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So we got to post some of those. But I got to we got to schedule another trip with her.

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Awesome. All right. They have quite the show today. Yeah. Long show. Long show, everybody. That's it for today.

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So maybe we can get ahead to BFE, but I doubt it. Would you say maybe we can get ahead of BFS on the rankings, but I doubt it.

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Hey, listen, this is for the fucking Astro van guy, Dave. You know, I get it. This show shows for the Astro van. We're here. We're here for the old school students. All right. Alison will be back next week.