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We're starting off with the Champions League final. It is the first French German final in a long time, the first final, I think, with teams that weren't really expected going into this tournament, being in the final, I think PSG, where one of the top favorites at the start of the tournament. But ultimately people think PSG are just going to battle it when it gets this stage of the season. Almost that rEU. How much are you looking forward to in all European final?

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I mean, are you looking forward to this and it was worth going through the inevitability of the semifinal results so we could get this matchup because I was Waties when Leipzig were being called, should be beaten in the first semifinal. I was worried that we were going to have an all French final with the runaway champions, PSG, again, seventh place early on. I just had something in the back, my mind that I thought Leon would cause a great upset against Bayern.

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And of course, they had two brilliant chances at the start of the match against Bayern to make this a final that although it would have been great to see an underdog in the final, really wouldn't have made much of a contest. I think so. I'm delighted that these two teams, from a purely footballing perspective, when it comes to PSG, that they're in the finals. So I actually elementally looking forward to it should be a really good one.

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Well, Leon, as you said, almost scored two wonderful goals against Byron. It could have been a much different game. And Damian Delaney was in studio with us and I was chatting to him while this was going on. And he was saying that's just not going the way that Byron expected. And almost like 20 seconds later, they are Byron scored and that was the end of the game. And there was nothing to be said then about Leon. And it's one of those tragedies in football whereby you think people have written Leon off completely and they're going to shock Bayern here.

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But it just wasn't the case. Well, Byron have been phenomenal this year, especially since the restart. Their winning streak under Hansie Fleck has been phenomenal. And they're one of the most exciting teams to watch in Europe at the moment. Outstanding. In the last 30 matches since Hansie Flick has taken over from college, they've been incredible. They absolutely stormed to the German title Brutsch to Borussia Dortmund, their great rivals aside in the classic car to set up that title win and then never really let up between.

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Then, in the end of the season and where they left off at the end of the Bundesliga campaign, they have continued on in the knockout stages of the Champions League. In these last few games. In qualifying for the final, they have won collectively against Chelsea over two legs, Barcelona, and then that semifinal against Lyon by 18 goals to three. So that's an awful lot about the way that Munich are playing. Currently, they've got the hottest player in Europe currently in Roberge, 11 dustier 11 goals.

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He as he followed by his teammate Thomas Muller. He's got fifty five goals this season from forty eight appearances. He scored fifteen goals in the Champions League in just nine games. I wouldn't totally rule out him getting two or more to take Cristiano Ronaldo, his record of seventeen in a Champions League season, and he scored in his last ten matches in the Champions League. So he's just been in absolutely incredible form. He has helped out by having players around him who chip in with goals, too.

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You look at Serge Canaveri, who scored two wonderful goals the other night in the semifinal at a point when I call, I mentioned Leon probably should have scored twice. And then Nebris scored the goal, which is reminiscent of Iron Robin, the former Bayern Munich favors to put them ahead. And that's just what Munich have done so far. They are going to play with a lethally high line Sunday night, and that may well give a chance for the pace of Neymar and and Bapi to get behind them.

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But I think Bayern Munich just have way too much firepower when it comes to this final against PSG.

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And you always hear people talking about seeing young players play when they're playing for some under twenty one team in a tournament. I'm going to be one of those really annoying people and do that right now. Alfonzo Davies, I seen him when he was 16 years old, playing for Vancouver Whitecaps when I was over at eleven over there for a couple of months. And that's it. I think I can't remember who they were playing against, but he scored that game.

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He was by far and away their best player. Was he quicker than under as he was as quick as he was? No, but he was he got on the ball more. So obviously, he's playing at a much higher level. No, if you're playing in MLS and you're the star player, you're getting the ball. The team chef is shipped around getting you the ball and then letting you do the work. But obviously that's a little bit different with Byron.

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But he's he's phenomenal, unbelievably quick. And he's one of these players that he's playing as not he's playing his left back, but he's not left back in any sense of the world, is he left back at all? So I think he's going to be phenomenal going forward. And to think that I still has to come into this Bayern team, they're going to be a force over the next couple of years. I do want to play devil's advocate here for a second before we touch on PSG, because I do want to talk about Zimbabwe.

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But this has been a massive failure for English teams in Europe this year. They had four teams in the final last year and everyone was talking about, oh, here comes a dominance of the 07 08 to twenty fourteen period of England. English teams always been in the final, are always being thereabouts. And it's been a complete failure for English teams in the the European format this year. Come. I don't know what it was they had they had one they had one team in the quarterfinals, they come on, you're allowed to lose matches and it doesn't have to be this existential crisis every time you get to I mean, last year it was like last year with an all English final, like like it happens.

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I mean, they probably weren't working on German football last year. Here's the point call.

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The English Premier League notoriously calls itself the best league in the world. It's had one winner in the last 12 years and in the Champions League, where where it is most important when you're going up against the best teams in the world, the league that says it is the best league in the world has had one winner in the last 10 years with the best league in the world, Tigers.

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It's just marketing. The player does go along with. That's what people buy into that, that sports fans who get into it and that's Twitter who get into it. I mean, the players want to be interesting that I mean, like, I would be more concerned if I was player Munich. We haven't won it since 2013. This is Bayern Munich.

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And I mean for French football, I'm a race top of the head that the only French side to appear in the Champions League final in the twenty first century is Monaco, chosen for my part top tier, the first team since 2004, Monaco to get to the final.

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I'd be looking at other leagues ahead of the Premier League. I absolutely agree with you. And in the point that the Premier League is completely overblown with hype. And you can forget Red Monday, a few years ago, Liverpool against Manchester United, the most boring Monday Night Football Club watching my life, the Merseyside derby after after lockdown. I would probably start going on there just two games. But I like there's a lot of tripe in the Premier League like you want you watch a lot of average games.

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And even like I was thinking, Mason Greenwood's development trades for Manchester United in the Premier League, like there's a lot of very compliant teams in the Premier League to allow someone with a bit of talent to develop very quickly. And I'm thinking of those Bournemouth and Aston Villa matches. I mean, Greenwoods, that obviously has a talent that has to produce it. But there's a lot of accommodating teams in the Premier League. There are Bush, having said all of this, there's two English teams in the in the final last year.

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We can't keep and say every single season what an English team is in the final, that it's an absolute disaster for English football.

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It's not like I don't think it is a disaster.

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I just think it's nice to see the Premier League taking down a peg. What was the word to use that to start, as you say, disaster? I think this year has been a disaster. That's I'm not saying I'm not saying it's an overall disaster for the Premier League. I'm just saying it was a disastrous year for the Premier League. When you have when you when you have such a big budget in these teams, think of no teams in the world have the same budget as the Premier League teams.

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And they had one team in the quarterfinals of the competition who were beaten by the seventh best team in France. It has been a disaster for the Premier League this year. I'm not saying it is an overall disaster and they need to rethink the league, but this year has been pretty terrible. I think it's bit look, it's been a disaster and a four man city, given that man city had so much expectations for disaster for as well. Look, I think if Liverpool had knocked out Atletico Madrid, Liverpool will be in this final get ready to play against Munich.

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I think the Liverpool team who got to back to back Champions League finals will probably be back in the Champions League final, at least in the next couple of seasons. I still think that Liverpool are very probably the best team in Europe. I know the Bayern Munich are likely to be crowned the champions this weekend, but I would fancy Liverpool against Bayern Munich in a one off game if that's what was happening on Sunday. And the thing about the Premier League is, look, the marketing is obviously overblown and sometimes it's a bit nauseating for people to hear about the boastfulness, about it being the best league in the world.

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But it's very difficult to make an argument for any of the other leagues actually being stronger.

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If you're using Europe as a pure metric, with the exception of the super clubs in Spain, who has really had any kind of success over a prolonged period in the European Cup. I mean, as Carla mentioned, Bayern Munich are looking to win the competition for the first time since twenty thirteen. Borussia Dortmund, who are their nearest challengers in the Bundesliga, have struggled year on year in Europe for the past few seasons. Since they reached that final against Bayern Munich, Saria has been a complete non runner.

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We're talking about enter the second best team who are currently going into a Europa League final, and they're the first Italian team to get to the Europa League since it's changed the competition from the other four events to flatter, to deceive for many seasons, despite running off successive titles in Syria. And the strength and depth is not there in those leagues. Similarly, in the league, I think once you go outside Atletico Madrid, notwithstanding, that severe is something magic seems to click when they go into the Europa League.

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They were in fourth place in Spain this year and they're quite a distance away from Atletico Madrid and from Real Madrid and Barcelona. We've seen the two super clubs in Spain decline over the last couple of seasons. And even at that, Atletico Madrid look like they're at the end of a cycle. So I'm not sure which of the major leagues, you could argue, are any better than the Premier League. And even notwithstanding, if Leon and Paris have got to the final, there's no way that league on is as strong as the Premier League.

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You look at the seven big clubs, just interrupt you for a second. The thing that annoys me is that people talk about the strength and depth in the Premier League. Is there the strength and depth in the Premier League? Are the teams? Is it is this is the 14th or 15th best team in the Premier League, better than the fifteenth team in the Spanish league? There's absolutely. People have been saying that the likes of teams, mid table, Premier League size and below would be good enough to win the Europa League.

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They're just not. And that's a fact. And English teams have been proven wrong year in, year out. And it's just it's something. People need to get out of their heads. So you're saying that West West probably wouldn't be televised or Lagana as if they were? I'm saying it would be it would be a tight game. It would not be. And West Ham would not run away with our game. West Ham almost got relegated from the Premier League this year.

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They would absolutely struggle against a team like Alvis. Get half who finished fourth in the Spanish league last year, were talked about, were laughed at when they were in the Arab League and they did quite well. And that's the that's the level that people need to look at. The Spanish league Spanish league is the closest when it comes to strength in depth for the Premier League as well as the Italians. They probably get half a Olivers. All the smaller sides are just as good as Bournemouth in Espanol.

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Who finished Norwich Espanol were in the top seven in Spain last year and got relegated this year.

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But that just shows you like it's a little bit more competitive, just not on them.

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If we can beat the Taffet, that would be seen as a great result for West Ham.

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Yeah, exactly. It absolutely would.

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This is that. That's my point. Not your point. I mean, we agree. So yeah, I agree. I disagree. Well, because he thinks it would be better for Westtown. Did he say that? I don't know if he said I think I said that West Ham would probably be the 14 the 15 team in Spain and I stand over that. I think they would be the 14 the 15 team in Germany or in France to the Premier League.

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Definitely. And this is part of the money. I mean, many of the teams in the bottom half of the Premier League would bring in more money and be able to recruit players at a higher level.

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The most the teams in the top half in and Burnley do terrible in the Europa League then. Because they didn't have the squad when they see that.

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So that's always an excuse if they have the squad, that's all I know an excuse can be sometimes an excuse is legitimate if you don't have the squad.

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But this is the thing. Birnley finished in the Europa League spot in the Premier League and they got their asses handed to them when they went into Europe. So I think, if you will, because they are there, you would find reason as opposed to excuse. I'm not making any excuse or an excuse.

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And I have a question I want to ask you. If this is a disastrous season for Manchester City, how would you rate around Madrid's. Well, they won the league, so it was pretty not right. Yeah, but you're talking about Man City who didn't win the league. Only barely scraped their way to this stage in the Champions League, and then last hour they got in Madrid, but then they lost Leon. So that's a little bit differently.

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You're saying that from behind came from I think it was. Was it 12 points at one stage in the season in La Liga to win the league? That's that's a pretty good season. So but also they're not good. I'm not saying that they're in good shape. They have a lot of rebuilding to do. But it's a much bigger season for Man City because this is the year they need to win the Champions League to be legitimized as sort of Pep Guardiola success at the club.

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But in Real Madrid, it's all about the European Cup. So would they not say, OK, we won the league and that was great, but we failed and then some against Manchester City. It's not a good season overall like it has been a study in an off season for Zidane in Madrid anyway. But overall, overall, the Spanish sides like Real Madrid and Barcelona, we know what they're like. No, they need a rebuilding job because they've dominated they've dominated Europe for 10 years.

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If I could just interject here for a second. And his argument, which he's just made, is that it's a disappointing year for the Premier League. And we're talking about the champions of both Spain and Italy being humbled before they got to the semi-finals in Europe, getting knocked out by Leon and Man City, respectively. Well, the champions of England got knocked out by the third place team in La Liga. And until he got knocked out by the seventh, placed him in France and Atletico Madrid have knocked out lots of good teams in the last few years in Europe and Liverpool will look back.

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And it was a disaster and really down to a couple of goalkeeper mistakes. It wasn't a good result.

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And a letter called Liverpool have got to the same amount of European Cup finals this decades.

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Liverpool, the champions of England. So I let it go. Take me to Spain in 2013, Liverpool are the are the current reigning champions of England, and as they like to point out, they still until Bayern or left the trophy, they're still technically the European champions of this is a water arbitrary way, by the way, to decide which league is the best, because no matter at what point you're knocked out in the Champions League or Europa League, if you don't win it, you've lost for that given season.

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And in that case, I'm going to move on because we do not have an actual final to to preview. We haven't really done much. I do. We are going to be talking about one French striker and a little later on call him Nicolas Anelka, Champions League winner as well. But we're going to talk about another French striker, a French winger, whatever you want to put them in the position. And Bapi at the age of twenty one, he could potentially be a World Cup winner and a Champions League winner.

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And he's finally on his way to becoming the world number one when it comes to players. I'm not having Neymar world number one. And Bapi is the best player in the world. He is messy. And Renaldo's, er. You know, what I really have enjoyed in the last week is seeing the likes of Kileen unhappy and Neymar and it feels like it feels like a World Cup from my childhood when you're actually watching these otherworldly stars and it's been so long since I can say that and maybe it's to do with that.

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It's one leg, a knockout now or one off ties and just the whole feeling of of no fans in the stadium. It's all condensed into a very short space of time, but very exciting. But when it Papay came on against Leipzig like that turn, he did that domme. He just came to pull back. It's just so beautiful. I mean, I personally think that Neymar is slightly better than the two because Neymar just control the game any way he wants that like he did.

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He dropped his shoulder the other day and when he was in sentiment position destructs right shoulder went left. And it's so easy to say and do, but you just nobody nobody does this with ease that he does it. And you can really dislike Neymar as a character. And that's fine. But just as unpatched talent, the two of them just they remind me honestly, it reminds me of my childhood watching these stires that you long to be along to watch.

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I really enjoyed watching both them. I don't know if it matches the best in the world. Do you do you think he's currently the best guy he's going to be? Like he's always going to be on his record is going to be incredible when he eventually finishes the football and ten, fifteen years time. But I suppose when you look at him up in Neymar, it's the forward lines of these two teams are phenomenal. You have the front for PSG with Neymar and Bapi carried a DeMaria.

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And then you have on the other side, it's pretty much Serge, Canaveri, Afonso, Davidge going forward. But the main man himself, Will is Lemon Diski or Lemon Goreski, as Thomas Miller, who is also part of the front line, calls him his form. If the French League had finished, the Bolander probably would have went ahead and there's likelihood he could have won it.

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Yeah, no, I think Robert Ivanovski would definitely be the overwhelming favorite to win the Bolander if it had actually proceeded to take place. You've got two tactical goals which you have to be made by the respective managers coming into this weekend, Hansie Fleck and Thomas Teutul. And that is both have got one decision to make up front for PSG. Do they keep killing a baby over towards the right hand side and allow Neymar to the free roll in the center with team reapplying and the other side?

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Or do they play in Bapi to the middle and then let him take on Boateng and Alaba, assuming that Nicolas, despite coming on in the last two games, I don't think he's anywhere near fitness to actually start in the final. They've been trying to get him back to fitness, but I would imagine that you're probably looking at Oliver, who's not the most comfortable center back, and also Boateng maybe in Bapi will finally the chance to run straight through the middle.

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But I would think, given that the formula worked in the semifinal, they'll keep Neymar in a central position and put him Bapi over on the right. What a footrace that could potentially be between Embrapa and Alfonzo Davies, because Zimbabwe looks like he's back to full fitness and then it looks like he'll have Dimery and support a kadee would be on the bench is an option to come on the second half. Bayern Munich. We've got one decision to make, too, I think, in terms of their team selection, and that's whether they play Kingslee Coleman, who's coming back to fitness, or if they keep even Parisot, who has been very good in the last couple of games, still enough from three, along with Serge Nebris and Robert Eleven Goldsby.

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So both of those decisions have to be made. I think they're probably going to start with Perisic, who, despite the fact he doesn't chip in with as many goals as Kingslee, Coleman would potentially do. Again, Bahrein have had a really good look about their team in recent days. And Thomas Muller, they're calling him the space man in Germany currently because of the places that he pops up in. And we've seen his intelligent running in both the quarterfinal in the semifinal while 11.

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Dask is really good at occupying defenders and the winger's stretch things, monologist has this remarkable ability of popping up in the right spaces. I think he's going to cause all sorts of problems for that PSG midfield because it's very difficult to know whether to drop back deep water to man Mark Muller because he just seems to turn up in the right attacking positions. I kind of wonder the average in Champions League finals comes in at under three goals a game. I'm wondering if this could be a final where we actually see a few goals.

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Yeah, yeah. And I suppose if last year's final, which was competed in by two English teams, if you if you didn't know before, if it teaches you one thing, it's always played the player because Tottenham really messed up when they played Hurricaine last year. Thomas Miller is an interesting one column before I show up, I suppose if you remember back to the 2014 World Cup where he was really at the peak of his powers and that's exactly what he like.

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People people weren't really talking about his passing, his finishing, his is is dribbling. It was all about just picking up spaces where people normally wouldn't be. And he's always there and he's probably the king of it in the last ten years.

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He's an unusual player. Yeah. I think he's peak now, even though he's still quite young.

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And if you if you saw him the other night and you had watched him before our. But you knew about that by your own team and you know about the quality on the bench, you'd almost wonder why he's in the team because you can't see an awful lot that he does watching it on TV when he gets the ball, he doesn't seem as technically advanced or proficient as his teammates. He's not he doesn't have the cutting edge that they do. But he's always there.

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He's always available for the ball. And I do wonder, is that not maybe not by football fans, but maybe by casual fans? Is that an underrated quality to have to always be present in an area where you are a gold threat either for yourself or your teammates? So for that reason and the strength of character alone, I mean, to sit in that press conference and to deliver that punch line with the confidence he does, and then to repeat it as if to say some people might not have heard that, like that's why he's in the team.

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This guy is fearless. This guy's character is double his technical ability, which is itself sizable. I mean, there's loads of evidence on YouTube of him. The way he treats the press is a little bit different to everyone else, like there's videos of him walking past the press with his passport pressed to his head, pretending he's on the phone as to avoid any contact with them and little things like that. But we do have to take a break before we're going to be talking about the next in our documentary.

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Call him. You're going to stick by before we get to that lad's predictions for the final good game by game. Last year's final is terrible.

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This year, it's going to be any better with, I think, decent game because I think both teams are not pretty good. Good at sitting in. I'm happy this isn't Bayern Munich against Atletico Madrid, which is a pity. It was a potential final given the way the side dropped on that way. But I think you're going to see a pretty interesting game. And in all likelihood, I think Bayern Munich are going to concede. Stavro, they look a little bit in the last two games, Barcelona could have scored four or five, and Leon definitely should have had a couple in that game in the semifinal.

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So I think she will score. It'll be very interesting to see who scores first because Balmain made a flying start in the first seven minutes of the last two games, I think by Munich will win, but I think it'll be probably something like Bahen three one or something like that.

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Call PSG three by unworn off. They won't be happy about it. I want player to win. Yeah, I think PSG, I think, I think by and will come up short and I can see PSG really punishing them on the counterattack and it won't be a good day for football as as it said.

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Well I mean Bayern not exactly angels of Germany or the lesser of two evils.

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Yeah. Like the teams who bullies their opponents in the league to sign their players versus a team who are backed by a sovereign wealth fund from a country who got a quite a charming last four. We had to consider whether to it.

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But we're talking about we're talking about a team that announced that they were signing the rival star player the next season, the day before the Champions League final, and they're due to play them.

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That's Hollywood, baby. That's that's our birthmark work anyway, right, lads? I'm going to hold you to that prediction column. That is a ridiculous prediction, by the way. I'm just going to put that out there. We do have to take a quick break, though. We're going to be talking about the Nicolas Anelka documentary on Netflix.

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This got to be stronger than I defended that second goal with no concentration, no loss to get to the ball. Absolute disgrace. TV. I do not realize that if I live below. Not like the leadership, the courage of her long time and the spirit of the. Stop, I know you're very welcome back to Team three and a call here with you.

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We are going to turn our attention now to the Nicolas Anelka documentary Misunderstood come out on Netflix a few weeks ago, directed by Frank staff. It documents the French Stryker's journey through the academy at PSG and to French football to the Premier League, and ends with the notorious break up of the French squad at the World Cup in South Africa in 2010. Karlberg is still on the line with me now. Colum, when I first looked at this documentary and seen the opening shot of Dubai and it was nice and shiny, I immediately was filled with dread that this documentary was going to be a complete whitewash of the entire Anelka series or the entire Anelka story.

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It's not far off that there's a quote there. You have a bad attitude. Questionmark. Now it's my turn to have a bad attitude. That's Nicolas Anelka reflecting on his time at Real Madrid, his one season there in 99, 2000, when he refused to train. I don't know why. Apparently teammates weren't celebrating enough with them when he was scoring goals, which he didn't do that much at Real Madrid. Nicolas Anelka, like he I you really want to like him?

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Because I remember what he passed through the scene at our school and he was phenomenal. It looked like so much fun to be Nicolas Anelka because he was that good. He was racing away from defenders and always finishing bottom left corner all the time.

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But considering this is a documentary which he presumably has complete creative control over, he still doesn't come across well. It's but it doesn't have that that charm are magnetism that you want to keep in watching.

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So I watched it twice and so I turned it on first, just leisurely just watch it. And I turned it off halfway through when he was talking about the congestion, when he was playing for West Brom, Italian. And then I finished it a couple of days later. And then we suggested the WhatsApp group that we should do this documentary next because it's currently on Netflix. So watch. I watched it all in its entirety in one sitting last night.

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I don't feel any stronger about it. I think it's a bit of an ordeal to watch. To be honest. It's not great.

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It's definitely I wouldn't put it in the same sentence. As you know, I remember the movie documentary that came out last year before. Yeah, it's not quite the like that that is, but it is very much like it rushes through the fallout. It rushes through his many, many faults where he earned the nickname The Sulk at Arsenal. He has followers around Madrid. I mean, everywhere Anelka went, I don't know. The general point of this documentary is actually, you know, here there's there's two sides to the stories, which that is completely fair, but they don't delve deep enough and to any of these stories for us to get in our side.

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Yeah, and. Well, that's it.

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Yeah, because. Because he controls us. So from our perspective, we obviously don't know the guy. So we're going by the public perception of him and it doesn't get any better having watched the documentary. Having said that, the list of contributors is incredibly impressive, all of whom seem to highly admire and love Anelka. You have Arsene Wenger theory on Patrice Evra, Patrick Vieira, Didier Drogba, Paul Pogba, Emmanuel Petty and Robert Perez, all speaking glowingly of Anelka.

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These are the most famous names in French football. For the last twenty years, world class players highly revered themselves and they all say Anelka is completely misunderstood, which is the title of the documentary. But we don't get to see that side of Anelka. And at one point I think it's Drogba says that Vieira says his job to alluding to his Champions League final penalty today was E, which handed Manchester United the title. And Drogba said, you know, and I felt so bad and so guilty after that.

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I said, that's the reason. That's what he's actually like. But we don't get to see that. No, we don't get to see us. It's it's amazing that a player who was such a cold character throughout his career, people had this perception of him and he made this documentary. This documentary is for him to explain himself and to show that he's not that cool character. And he comes out for me even more cold at the end of this, because essentially it's the PSG Claire Fontan situation.

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So essentially what happens in French football is the players going to the academies. This is the early nineties. So the movement in Europe is only really starting to become a thing between foreign players and the English leagues. And Claire Fontaine was the system that the English that the players went into for their academies and they were selected by the professional teams. And essentially, they have to play their first year, the first contract had to be with the professional team that picked them from Claire Fontaine and Anelka went against that.

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He ruled against that and he decided to go to Arsenal instead. And this was a massive thing back then. And essentially he just says, well, you didn't want me.

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So I went out and you don't want me like you're 17 years old. Relax, you've loads of time. And he was making an impact.

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He came on and he scored. I think he was the second youngest scorer or second youngest player to play for them when he broke through in 1996, 97. And then by February 1970, he's off to London to play for Arsenal. And then he doesn't get into the team immediately, immediately at Arsenal. And they have a match away to Derby County and he refuses to travel. He's 17 and Arsene Wenger has to convince them they'll travel like be patient, you will play.

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And he comes out in that game and sets up, too, and gets mad at the match. I mean, he was just in a rush. And he says that himself in the documentary that I live my life two hundred miles per hour. I talk everything to 100 percent. And what if he just relax a little bit? We would be talking. Nowadays is one of the greatest players to a players in the Premier League or any league. He chose the athletic running a series at the moment, the best 60 players to play in the Premier League and should be at best talent.

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But he'll be nowhere to be seen.

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There definitely is a strong sense of a rush in.

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And now to relax the rush to get from PSG Dyersville and even the rush to get away from Arsenal to Real Madrid. That's ridiculous. A lovely little day got Arsenal, by the way, of his explanation was just that Real Madrid and a far bigger club. So, of course, I was going to go to them. But then the rush to get away, I slightly understand his rush to get away from Madrid because of the situation there was there with the press is so suffocating in that country, especially when you're playing for Madrid or Barcelona.

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But ultimately, again, those three decisions were what led to sort of a spiral where career where he ended up on loan. He ended up playing for a man city said played in for an Apache. I mean, he the player, the play for Arsenal. If he had passions could have helped Arsenal in the Invincible season, he could have won the Champions League and he could help them win the Champions League the following year when they were beaten by Barcelona.

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We're talking about a transformative talent here that if he was on the same team as Terreri, who Aihara had a friendship with from his time in LaFountain, you could have been one of the best strikers. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's a common thing for a reason. If you look at it now, because achievements before he turned 20, he arrived in England to ask them in the ninety seven seas and he broke through an actually won the first Labor Premier League title and the FIA called the following year his last year.

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Then he won the PFA Young Player of the year. He achieved all this as a teenager and he was like, no, it's not enough for me. And as you've already alluded to that quote, I need to move to a bigger club, to Real Madrid and even even to Madrid. I mean, he had a terrible time because he didn't score for the first five months. In fact, his first goal for the club was at the FIFA club World Cup that December, and that his first goal in Spain was in the classical.

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And he finished the season by helping Ramjet win the Champions League and starting next year, and was only taken off for the 80th minute. But he just had a ginormous chip on his shoulder for no reason. Everything was going really well. Now, I do understand as well that he feels bitter about his omission from the French ninety eight squad, if I may. Jacques, the French manager, did in fact deliver the news in the manner that Anelka states he did by saying you it's normal, by the way, that caught which he repeats.

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But three times I was I was kind of saying, is this a mistranslation? What does he mean by you? It's normal. You remember that part? Because, I mean, I didn't really understand it at the start.

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But I suppose if you look into it is I suppose it's like it was an easy decision or like. Yeah. To be why I made this decision. Yeah.

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But he clearly didn't because he was a focal point to after winning the double. Yeah. So I don't understand you. It's normal without any elaboration. So if that did happen now we don't have any jakks words. But if it did happen the way I said I understand why he would feel a bit aggrieved and I do understand that he felt victimised that Real Madrid, his first day at the club when the players kept them moving him from seat to seat in the dressing room, because that's my seat.

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That's terrible. I mean, that's how we treat and do is saying that is horrible.

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And he's only he's only a young kid, especially a league owner for Arsenal, who is coming into your club as one of the record signings at the stage to help me, to help you, to interview.

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That kind of happened. It was dog eat dog back then, especially at a club like Madrid. I suppose one thing that was very evident in this is the perception that Anelka fought the good fight, went up against football directors, went up against football managers, for example, when he was trying to leave PSG and the Clare Fontan issue that was very much seen as Anelka is fighting against old France that don't want players to go on, be their own property.

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And then when when he's leaving Real Madrid or when he's having the battles that are in Madrid, he's in like it's a war between him and the president's, not a war between him and the players. Again, when at Liverpool, he claims that he wanted to stay at Liverpool, but Liverpool had one year contract. He said that was his. And when they got when that his brothers were trying to sort out a move to another club, that's when Gerrard, who they said his attitude wasn't good enough and it was seen to be.

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The perception he wants to see in this film is that he went up against footballing directors. He picked the wrong fight. And I think the territory or am I knew and he says at one stage that he generally found himself on the wrong side of arguments. Yeah, I mean, there is a bit of a Roy Keenan in that he is anti-establishment, but I guess with the difference between the two of them is that Keane was a midfield general who stayed at one club for twelve and a half years and brought unprecedented success, whereas Annika kept it moving around the place.

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I mean, the documentary in itself literally could not fit all his clubs. They had to race through them because like I counted last night when I was going to bed at the top of my head, I think he I think he played for 13 or 14 different clubs.

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Have them for one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13 clubs. But so you have to laugh a bit as well because it was just like. Yeah.

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Want to different about it. And then two seconds later, he signed for Chelsea. They just skim over Bolton, completely skateboarded skip a year and a half. That is also the second seconds which lasted two years over PSG. And then he fell out with the manager. Then he went back to he went to Liverpool. I know.

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And then and there's one line about his loan. But at Juventus, it's where they want whenever they want Syria, like I don't know if they if we're doing this. So in order for the listeners to want to watch the documentary, we're not selling it to them. But we have to be honest with people. But I don't know about you. They're probably just about is not. To to watch the whole thing, the ending you do want to see what happens, the final 10 minutes is probably the best part of the documentary if I don't know if you agree with that.

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But it's basically it starts with an Irish football. Fans love to look back on this and cry the honorary handball, because Anelka obviously scored in the first leg in the stadium. And that is offensive.

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And notoriously then when fans get to the World Cup, that was one of the bugbears from this entire saga, was that France went to the World Cup and completely capitulated. And it was quite interesting to get the insider's information from Patrice Evra, from Henri from Anelka, what was going on with the players, because I know you get a bit of that in the blue as well.

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But getting the the main character of this entire saga, Necas Anelka, who fell out with Raymond Domenech in this in the saga, the South Africa World Cup, the way that it's portrayed is I think it's fairly OK because it shows that the issue that alcohol was not really the falling out with Dominique, which led to the mutiny, it was more down to the handling of the attribution of quotes to him that the Anelka had an argument with Dominic in the dressing room, and it was on the front page of the Cape the next day with misattributed quotes of what he said and just wasn't what he said at all.

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Keep as the enemy here. Yeah, because I think he kind of has a grudging respect for Raymond Dominic and the footage of him watching Dominic and a twenty eighteen documentary describing the events at Dominic point-Blank refutes the idea that the Walk of life, like he said, that Anelka said to him and it was a different insult, kind of less insulting. But again, it's a it's it proves how enigmatic Anelka is as a character because you have the entire French squad united behind his expulsion from the squad and refusing the training.

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So obviously, this character resonated hugely with his teammates, but it never translated to the public. And I guess that itself is the interest in a documentary. I mean, the other quite the big question about Anelka is, is he a waste of talent? Because when you look at his honours list, it's phenomenal. Like he won the Premier League with two different clubs. You won the Champions League, you won the European Championships in France, and he won the Turkish League.

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He was part of Syria winning side. You won the ethical four times as a young player of the year, 10 years later, won the gold, the boot and the Premier League. So incredible achievements. I mean, if he was Irish, he'd be on the Mount Rushmore. Bush should have won the World Cup as well. Yeah, exactly. And you say, yeah. And he sort of. Exactly. But yes, you're thinking like he didn't really achieve what he should have.

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And he is he is incredible. So I guess that's the that's the fascination with Anelka. You can't warm to him. But because he's so famously difficult to warm to, I guess that's the attraction of it. Yeah. Well it's a tough one to watch.

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Yeah, it's a lesson. It could have been done a lot better if it was done by an outsider source or even just a little bit more journalistic. Liberty was allowed from the Anelka team that obviously funded this documentary. But as far as what I find hilarious today when I was researching this film is because obviously the misattributed quotes there, the fulcrum of this argument, and you even have it in Alex's lawyer from the time talking about how this set a precedent for journalists to misinterpret quotes from now on.

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For footballers, they can say what they want as long as an argument happened, they can say whatever the footballer was on the Daily Mail.

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The daily review of this documentary is hilarious because obviously we find out in this documentary what was said in the dressing room and the Daily Mail headline dubbed the Arsenal six clubs in eight years and sent home from the 2010 World Cup for telling his boss to go F himself. Nicolas Anelka, his new Netflix documentary will shine a light on one of one of football's most controversial careers.

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That's not what he said.

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It's part of this documentary, and that's not what he said. Yeah, all the Daily Mail, The Daily Mail, which they could have that journalistic freedom that they have in France. I mean, I actually that is what I find the most interesting part of the documentary was the legal explanation of editorial standards. And what's accepted in French journalism was fascinating at the end.

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And I like the fact that we watched an hour and a half Nicolas Anelka documentary. And the most interesting scene from it was the legal precedent. And it's right at the end in the last three minutes of the documentary that shows you that this is just not one, not one for the books. It's not exactly the Bobby Robson documentary who a couple of weeks ago.

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But we have to cover these things because that makes the Bobby Robertson's fault even better to get it done.

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And it just it just shows you the difference between when a documentary is done by a proper documentary maker and there's proper journalistic input into it, it makes it all that better than a shiny well produced. This is a well produced documentary. Oh, it looks great. You can't fault you can't fault the director and the filmmakers and the editors because it's a well shot documentary and there's great footage in it. But it's just not it's just it's almost it's just a PR job that's not really done that well.

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But I suppose that is right out of time for this week's documentary review column. We want we have to do this. GOSAL wanted I've been and I've been telling the listeners that we're going to do the guys in the for the last three weeks.

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Is this the one for twenty fifteen. Yes. Yeah. That's on Netflix too. Yeah. Yeah it's yeah that's great. When I watched that two or three times I think. Did you have the Latino jersey behind you as well. So with guys on the back radio listeners can't see it, but he has the actual guys, a Latino jersey behind them. So guys in the back will we'll get that will crack it up next week. I probably will do the guys a documentary next week.

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I'm reading that and putting it in my diary. Thank you.

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