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I'm Shannon Bream. I'm Tom Shillue, I'm Maria Bartiromo, and this is the Fox News rundown. Monday, August, twenty fourth, twenty twenty, I'm Jackie Heinrich. Today marks the first day of the Republican National Convention. Josh Kraushaar of the National Journal previews what we can expect from the Trump campaign.

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He'll hear a lot of talk about China and how we know how the country is going to face a growing, more aggressive atmosphere. I think you're going to hear a lot more about law and order and the rising violence in America's big city that you didn't hear a single word about at the Democratic convention. I'm Dana Perino. Trey Gowdy discusses his years both in Congress and as a federal prosecutor and what those experiences taught him about politics, the law and the art of persuasion.

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I learned it in the courtroom, standing in front of 12 strangers, trying to figure out what it was going to take to move them. And I'm Deroy Murdock. I've got the final word on the Fox News rundown. On the heels of the first ever virtual national convention put on by the Democrats, it's the Republicans turn in the spotlight and President Trump is taking center stage, set to speak every night of the RNC. The DNC program united the party around sweeping criticism of the incumbent.

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But critics say it painted a grim picture of the country, leaving an opening for the Trump campaign. Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller on NBC's Meet the Press last week.

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It was a massive grievance fest. We're going to see a very optimistic and upbeat convention this week from President Trump and our Republican allies and actually from our Democratic and independent allies as well. One of the things you're going to see this week is a complete change in the perception that I believe that the media tries to tell about what a Trump supporter looks like or who a Trump supporter is.

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Democrats say it's a tall order for the commander in chief to strike an optimistic tone amid the pandemic and economic crisis he's presided over. But Republicans may benefit from having the last word coming second out the gate, knowing what worked and what didn't during the DNC. Still, consensus is the DNC set the virtual bar reasonably high, especially with former rivals coalescing around Joe Biden, who's 48 years in politics, make him a known quantity with a compelling life story, leaving little room for surprise.

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What the Democrats didn't do is talk much policy or let the spotlight linger on remaining divisions between progressives and moderates, such as how to address health care or respond to growing violence in cities amid racial and social unrest. No doubt Republicans will take that to task. But many of the speakers now so far don't so much represent the rank and file GOP, but share the last name. Trump and other guest speakers indicate the overall message will recount the president's most prominent gripes, such as with the media and cancel culture.

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Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple briefly charged for waving guns at Black Lives Matter. Protesters will speak in support of the president. So will next. Sandmen, the Maggert wearing Kentucky teen who sued several news outlets over his viral interaction with a Native American protester in Washington. And of course, there's an expectation some programming will be dedicated to addressing what the president calls the Russia hoax. The Biden campaign does plan to do some counterprogramming. Senior adviser Koreen John Pareene on MSNBC's AM Joy.

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I think we're going to be doing what we've been doing, showing contrast, showing Krauze contrasts as to what the what the Donald Trump campaign, a Donald Trump administration has not done has not been the leaders.

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So what are the chances this week's program will seal the deal for voters on the fence?

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Well, number one, what went right was that the first ever virtual convention went and proceeded without virtually a hitch.

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Josh Cross Hour is a politics editor for the National Journal.

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They were able to transform the typical proceedings that are done in person and with few technical difficulties there that a lot of people were concerned about. In fact, some some aspects of a convention like the roll call of all the states was done in such a way were politicians and ordinary people were standing in front of these scenic backdrops in their home state to make it even more compelling from a more substantive point of view. You know, Joe Biden and all of his allies, all the Democrats speaking, really drove home the message that, you know, the President Trump is so unfit for office that a change is necessary.

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We heard the former President Obama saying that he was a threat to democracy. You saw Joe Biden really talking about his own life, bringing up the topic of empathy and in contrast, how he's going to handle the pandemic, handle the economic recovery a whole lot different from the current administration. So, look, this is an this is a convention that was focused on one thing, President Trump and they were trying to make the case that the president is unfit for office and they need to change course as soon as possible.

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What, if anything, do you think the Republicans are going to take away from this and maybe incorporate into the RNC this coming week?

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Well, one thing that you didn't hear a whole lot about at the Democratic convention is policy. And usually the conventions are thematic that you're not you know, it's not a State of the Union address or not offering a detailed list of what you're going to do. But usually you hear a lot more substance. You hear a lot more about what your agenda is going to be. And, you know, aside from a few things, you know, you saw racial justice.

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Immigration was brought up at one point, but there just wasn't a whole lot of policy in either Joe Biden's address or anyone, frankly, at that convention. They're betting that voters care mostly about President Trump and voting him out of office. So I think you'll see the Republicans talk about is what the Democrats didn't talk about. You'll hear a lot of talk about China and how we and how the country is going to face a growing, more aggressive adversary.

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I think. You're going to hear a lot more about law and order and the rising violence in America's big cities. That's something you didn't hear a single word about at the Democratic convention. And it's a it's a vulnerability, perhaps, for the Democratic ticket. There was a lot of talk and necessary talk about racial justice, not of any talk about the crime and the unrest in big cities from New York to Los Angeles. So, you know, there are ways for Republicans.

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Why do you think they didn't do that? Why would they leave that unsaid?

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Well, it's a good question, Jackie. I think probably the number one reason is that it divides the party. You Democrats wanted to be united. They wanted to focus entirely on Trump. And that's the glue that holds the Democratic Party together. Once you start talking about, you know, rising and rising violence, that creates elements of the left saying, hey, we want to defund the police or we want we want to, you know, change allocate more funding to social services.

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And we don't like this talk about, you know, you know, being pro law enforcement. You know, anything that talks about crime and law and order would immediately divide the Democratic Party between the left and the moderates. So essentially, what they decided to do is look back and talk about it at all. We're united on these issues. We're going to focus on the stuff we're united on. We're not going to deal with the tricky issues that divide the party.

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And we know that Biden touched on, you know, his visions for funding police and what he thinks the response should be in that interview with Robin Roberts and David Muir. But is that enough for for Democrats to hang on to and say this is this is our defining stance?

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The other thing Democrats are hoping for is that, look, even though there may be rising rates of violence in cities, ultimately the buck stops with the president. So, you know, you look at there's a Pew Research poll that came out last week that showed rising violence is actually one of the top five issues that voters care about most. And it's almost the same level as the pandemic. So it's a big issue for voters and it is a risk that Democrats raise in not addressing that at all.

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And I think what Democrats also think so is that, look, if people think the country is headed on the wrong direction, if they think the cities are headed in the wrong direction, ultimately the responsibility lies with the commander in chief.

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There's a lot of discussion about Joe Biden being able to strike this message of, you know, love and light in his speech, despite what had been a week of, you know, doom and gloom. What do you think is going to happen with President Trump and how he continues to to portray Joe Biden and the state of the Democrats?

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Well, you know, I think the Republicans would be best served to focus on policy and not make this a personal mano a mano contest. Joe Biden, the one difference between 2016 and 2020 is that people like Joe Biden more than they liked Hillary Clinton. And the notion that Trump was going after for a long time calling, you know, you know, kind to raise questions about his age is mental capacity. I think, number one, they were diminished by the pretty strong address and performance that Joe Biden had at his own convention.

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And, you know, seniors who are often in that same age bracket didn't like the attacks on the president. And in most national polls now show seniors, which used to be a pretty strong Trump constituency, are now leaning towards Joe Biden. So I think the president Trump, the Republicans at their convention, will be well advised to draw a contrast in terms of policy, draw contrasts in terms of use for the future. But they certainly could portray the Democrats as being beholden to the very progressive elements, the very loud, progressive elements of their party, but the kind of mano a mano attack each other over who's more mentally equipped to be president.

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That didn't serve Trump very well over the summer. I think he'd be well served to abandon that line of attack during the convention.

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You know, a good point that you make that, you know, President Trump and the Republicans set the bar so low for a Biden performance that, you know, it was hard not to be impressed if he could finish a sentence from the picture they'd been painting of his declining, you know, mental health or mental acuity.

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Looking forward to what we're going to see this week. Democrats were really sort of the first they were the guinea pig. You know, what does the DNC look like without an audience? Is it going to ring hollow? President Trump has always had a command of, you know, television and news cycles and social media and has always been able to sort of, you know, corral enthusiasm without a crowd. But will the rest of the party be able to to do that?

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Is that why he is going to be a factor in every single night of programming? What what are your thoughts?

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Well, you know, I think there's a little bit of concern that the depth. The Republican bench isn't fully being showcased yet, but, you know, you have almost as many Trump family members speaking in prime time in the last four nights of the convention, that you do see some of these rising stars in the Republican Party. I mean, I would point to Nikki Haley, the former governor of South Carolina, Trump, U.N. ambassador. You also have Scott speaking on Monday, the second African-American statewide official in Kentucky, Attorney General David Cameron, is going to have a big spot.

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But, you know, ultimately, you don't have to be Bush there. You don't have Mitt Romney there. Don't have Cindy McCain, who was the widow of the late John McCain, spoke at the Democratic National Convention. You don't have sort of the leading lights of the party necessarily speaking for Trump's convention. And I think the concern I would have is if I'm Trump, is that, you know, you don't want to make this a cult of personality convention.

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You want this to be about the party. You want this to be about the agenda. You kind of the sort of the more Trump is front and center, the more it hurts him politically. The fact that a lot of polls, until his policies are more popular than his personality and the results of his own, you know, capability rating. So, you know, I think the big red flag is it's too there's too much trump. You don't want this to be a you know, the Trump unifier.

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You want it to be about the party. You want this to be about the campaign. So that's the big challenge on the positive side. Look, they have a chance to see what the Democrats do. They have a chance to see the message that the Democrats put forward. So you'll see a robust response and a robust talking about, you know, the lack of policy you talked about at the Democratic convention. You're going to you're not going to see that kind of take the base of the Republican pretty much covers it for me.

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The only last question I would have is, you know, where polls saying about undecided voters like, are there any people left who don't know who they want to vote for? Because if you look on, you know, online, for instance, it seems like everyone's had their minds made up and they're going to each other's throats. They have been for a really long time. You know, what are the polls indicating about how much these two conventions are going to be able to sway people?

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Yeah, there aren't going to be the conventions because they're virtual and because a lot of people's minds are already made up. They're not going to have the same impact as in elections past. I would say, though, that there are about, what, eight percent of the electorate that still hasn't fully made up their mind. Moderate voters, independent voters, really, you know, the conventions are going to be important to just put the party's best face forward.

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A lot of these independent undecided voters are people who may agree more with the Republicans on policy, but they don't like Trump's personal behavior. They don't like how he tweets, how they don't like his character. So this is a really good opportunity for Republicans to make this, you know, make this about policy, to make this about where the parties differ on issues. I actually think Trump would be ill served making this all about himself. He's speaking all four nights at the convention.

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Maybe he'll get four great speeches that are going to capture the nation's attention and all those first four nights. But, you know, Trump is overexposed, as is he. You see him almost every day here about him on the news. On an hourly basis, the Republicans would be well served to make this more than just about Trump, make this about the party vision, the party agenda and what the what the president will do in the next four years if he's re-elected.

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All right.

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Well, we'll certainly have a lot of eyeballs on it. I'm excited for it. I think a lot of people are, you know, especially after watching the DNC, really looking forward to seeing just how different the RNC looks.

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Well, I'm going to be interested to make sure to see if they could kind of come across all the technical parts of the convention smoothly if it's not an easy thing to do. All right.

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Josh Casarett, thank you so much for joining us. Josh Caressa of the National Journal. Talk to you again soon. Thanks.

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It did not take long for Trey Gowdy to make a name for himself in Congress. His tough questioning of Obama administration officials and other policy makers usually made the highlight reel of any House committee hearing he took part in.

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Making sure the public record is complete is what serious investigations do. So it was important and remains important that this committee have access to all of Ambassador Stevens emails, the emails of other senior leaders and witnesses. And it is important to gain access to all of your emails, Madam Secretary.

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But before being elected to represent South Carolina's 4th Congressional District in 2010, Trey Gowdy was also a federal prosecutor where his ability to ask the right questions and persuade led to an impeccable record in the courtroom. Those decades of experience taught him a lot about effectively communicating the importance of asking the right questions and how to move the hearts and minds of others.

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We are living in a 50 50 country and I don't want to die in a 50 50 country.

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Trey Gowdy, whose new book is called Doesn't Hurt to Ask using the power of Questions to communicate, connect and Persuade.

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So someone's going to have to learn how to persuade. And you don't see it often in politics. And I just wanted to show folks more from the courtroom than from politics, how to move others and effectively communicate.

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Were you good at persuading when you were a kid? My mom says I was manipulative, that that may or may not be I, I think I learned it. I learned it the hard way. It is learnable. I, I learned it in the courtroom, standing in front of 12 strangers, trying to figure out what it was going to take to move them.

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You write that you love the rules and you love the strategy. You love the need for quick thinking and the opportunity to seek truth. And I know that the law is where that manifested for you in terms of your career and what you have been all the things that you have done. But do you also use it in your personal life or with friendships? I try to.

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I mean, the highest compliment anyone could ever give me is to tell me they perceive me to be fair. And I have friends, frankly, I have family members that are on the completely opposite political end of the spectrum. And I just I covered people saying that I am fair. And part of being fair is having rules that you apply to both friend and foe. I tell my kids all the time, your friends can lie to you, to you, and your enemies can tell the truth.

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And it's your job to separate one from the other.

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For anybody listening that has a family member and maybe even a son or a daughter that might have different political viewpoints than they have right now. What's your best way? Do it. Do you have any good tips for how to listen to them and then how to persuade? I know you talk a lot about having facts on your side.

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Well, I think usually the very best next question you're going to get is going to come from what the other person says. And we're just not wired to listen. People, you know, if you invited me to persuade you on something, I would begin talking. I would say I believe I think I feel I wouldn't then turn around and ask you a question. But I'm trying to convince folks that your best ammunition for moving someone and you have to set realistic goals.

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I mean, if you have a family member that thinks Barack Obama is the best president that we have ever had, the chances of you convincing that person to vote for President Trump are not great. The chances of you mitigating whatever hostility they have towards President Trump are higher. So you have to set a realistic goal. You have to use questions and you have to have a realistic objective. I mean, the objective cannot be always total conversion or you will be disappointed.

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You write movingly about your daughter Abigail, and how you would have some pretty heated conversations. He might be the wrong word, actually, for how you approach things, because one of the things that you say is that no raised voices, no personal attacks, no hurt feelings. And I found that really interesting because I think that people are. Struggling to figure out a way to even communicate with each other right now, well, it's easy with a daughter because there is no issue in the world that is more important to me than the relationship I have with my children.

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So it doesn't matter what her belief is on any issue, my relationship with her is more important than that.

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Having said that, I told both my kids what you believe is up to you, but you're going to have to defend it and I'm going to question you on it. And most of my conversations with Abigail mean the death penalty. Her father sold it seven times. She doesn't believe in it. We do have conversations about it actually more frequently than I would like, because that's just not an issue where many people change their minds. I mean, Lindsey Graham is a personal friend of mine.

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She she has a different view of the Kavanaugh confirmation. What's wrong, I think, in our country is that two thirds of all Republicans don't know a Democrat don't have a Democrat friend and two thirds of all Democrats don't have a Republican friend. So if you're trying to figure out how President Obama was elected twice, I don't know who you would ask except someone who voted for him twice. So we don't know that person. I don't I don't I don't know how you're going to ever figure it out.

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So Abigail and I, you know, I see a lot of myself in her. When I was a kid, I was idealistic and then and then reality set in. But just the relationship is more important to me than any issue anyone can can cite or bring up.

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When you talk about being a prosecutor and being in front of a jury, were there cues you could pick up from the jury where you knew you were being persuasive, where you were hitting the mark?

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Sometimes jurors start nodding their head, which is what I mean, which is encouraging, but not what you want jurors to do, ironically, in a courtroom, Dana, which makes it so unlike politics, you are repeatedly told you cannot make up your mind until the last witness has been called in. The last piece of evidence has been produced. I mean, you are forbidden from even beginning to make up your mind. So contrast that with what we have in politics.

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You know, just pick any major investigation. There will be a witness. They'll be deposed. There'll be leaks coming out of that deposition. And then people are beginning to make up their mind based on selective leaks from one witness. That never happens in a courtroom because you are told you cannot do it, you can't discuss it, and it makes logical sense. How can you make up your mind if you haven't heard everything yet? The last piece of evidence you hear may be the most important.

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When you picture your reader, what do you hope they take away from it?

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I hope whoever is dreading Thanksgiving or the next family reunion or the next poker or bridge game, because something's going to come up and they don't feel equipped to express themselves or politely impeach or undercut or examine what someone else believes I want to give them. It is a learnable skill to be able to persuade and to be able to ask questions. And I want them to feel at no point in this book do I tell people what to believe, not my job.

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My job is to help you communicate whatever it is you believe in an effective way. So if they can learn to ask questions, the order in which the different types of questions that you can ask, you know, my favorite thing in the world to do, Dana, is to ask people to define their terms. We let people use words all the time and we never make them define what they mean by that. And lots of people struggle to define they use words and then they struggle to define what they mean by just or right or fair.

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So that's what I'm trying to teach them to do, is survive their next interaction with a family member or a coworker or a boss.

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You write movingly in the book, I think, about your relationship with many members of Congress, but I think is interesting about you is that you decided you needed to step away from being an elected member, but that didn't mean you stepped away from the arena completely. What would you want people to know about what it's like behind the scenes with members of Congress instead of what they might see on cable TV?

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Yeah, I think that most viewers of television are being sold a false narrative. The only folks you see on night or at night are the ones who are most upset that day about that issue or else they're in leadership. I mean, most people would struggle to name more than 20 members of the House at a four thirty five. They'd struggle to name more than twenty. So that means they're four hundred and fifteen you can't name. And 90 percent of them get along fabulously.

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Well, I still to this day talk to some of the most progressive members of the House that I served with, and there are no arguments. We don't always talk about politics, but we get along so much better than we ever let the public see. And I think if we signal that more to the public, then maybe the level of civility in our discourse would go up outside of Congress.

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You also say in your acknowledgments that you wanted to thank men and women in law enforcement for giving me what you always wanted, which is a job you could be proud of at the end of your life.

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There are a lot of men and women in law enforcement right now maybe questioning their career choice or questioning whether they have the support of their elected leaders and of their communities. What might you recommend to them to think about or to try to do as they get through this particular period in our history? I would tell them that it's a calling. Most of us are not wired to run towards a gunshot. We're not wired to run towards the fire. We're not wired to run towards dealing with some of the worst elements of our culture and society have to offer.

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And if you view it as a calling, there will be those valleys and we're going through a valley right now. But do your part to make sure your profession is worthy of respect, respected and worthy of respect, and just understand that most people of good conscience appreciate what you do because we're not willing to do it ourselves. I mean, you think about a missing child and who when I was a D.A., there was a child missing and they saw the fingerprints.

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They saw the footprints going down to the river. And you know what that means. But, you know, you and I don't have to walk down there. We don't have to go find the child's body. They do. And their husbands and their fathers and their mothers and their wives. And it has an impact on them. So just to know we're grateful, but also help us make your profession as worthy of respect as we possibly can.

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Lighten it up. Just for the last question, how cool is it to see your name on a book that's being sold in bookstores?

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The coolest part of it to me is the quality of the names on the back of the book, starting with Dana Perino. To be quite honest with you, if you had told me 10 years ago that I would know you, that I would know Lou Holtz, that I would have played golf with Kevin Costner, that I would I would have said there's not a chance in the world. And I do want to lighten it up, but also want to thank you, because what people see on television is exactly what you are off of television.

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And the fact that most of my female coworkers would cite you as their role model of all the role models they could have, most of them would cite Dana Perino as their role model says a lot about you.

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So thank you for everything you have done to help me. And thank you for loaning me your good name and for reading this book, because I'm not sure my wife has yet.

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Well, thank you for joining Fox News. We are so happy to have you part of the family. Yes, ma'am.

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Thank you. Here's a look at the week ahead. Monday, it's the Republicans turn, the Republican National Convention kicks off with Charlotte, North Carolina, hosting some official business, including the process of nominating President Trump for a second term. The president is expected to formally accept the nomination Thursday at the White House. Also Monday, New York City's museums can begin to reopen with reduced capacity. Wednesday, a chance for you to snag the helmet that Tom Cruise wore in Top Gun.

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A two day online auction of Hollywood memorabilia will be held, including Star Wars props and some of the cars seen in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Friday.

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A protest march against police brutality is scheduled for Washington, D.C. The families of George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, Eric Garner and others are expected to take part Sunday, a PVM award show unlike any before.

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It'll come from New York City and feature live outdoor performances, but with limited or no audiences. And that's a look at your week ahead. I'm Richard Denison, Fox News.

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It's time for your Fox News commentary. Deroy Murdock, what's on your mind if Kamala Harris is a moderate?

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Joe Biden is a teenager. Soon after, the seventy seven year old former vice president revealed that the woman he hopes will become his vice president. NEWSROOM leftist rushed to camouflage the fifty five year old junior senator from California as a centrist. The so-called paper record dubbed Harris a pragmatic, moderate nonsense. Harris is a right winger, just as The Washington Post, which called her a small C conservative. This, of course, is unwittingly hilarious when it's not maddening these and other media organizations know better.

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They are busy repackaging the far left Harris as an individual making version of Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska. In fact, Kamala Harris is Bernie Sanders with long black hair. Actually, that's a tad unfair to the socialist senator from Vermont. Sanders is merely the second leftist member of the world's greatest deliberative body. Who's number one, Kamala Harris? According to YouGov tracks legislative vote analysis, Harris is, quote, ranked most liberal compared to all senators, unquote.

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With a score of one point zero, Tennessee's Marsha Blackburn is the number one most conservative senator Bernie Sanders was number ninety nine with a score of zero point two and with a score of zero point zero. Kamala Harris was the one hundredth most conservative senator among its one hundred members. So this so-called small C conservative actually votes to the left of Bernie Sanders. Biden, for his part, was stumbling over a cliff left in twenty eight his last year in the US Senate.

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The American Conservative Union judge by a zero and the Americans for Democratic Action raided Biden and 80 based on actual Senate votes. Biden Harris is the furthest left Democrat ticket since George McGovern and Thomas Eagleton in nineteen seventy two, if not in US history. Yeas and nays aside, Harris's policies catapult her over the port side of the ship of state. Let's examine her proposals. Paris is promising to torpedo President Donald Trump's entire tax cuts and jobs act and sink the finances of American businesses.

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Families and individuals are also said, quote, I am prepared to get rid of the filibuster to pass the green New Deal, unquote. Ditching the filibuster could jet propelled Biden. Harris's entire radical agenda through the US Senate has co-sponsored the Medicare for All Act Bernie Sanders plan to nationalize health care and kill the private health coverage of some one hundred eighty million Americans. How about a compulsory gun buyback program? Harry said September 6th in New Hampshire, quote, I think it's a good idea.

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We have to take those guns off the streets, unquote, with a record like this. Kamala Harris is no moderate. I'm doing Murdock.

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