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I love my job, not just this job, the one recording podcasts, I love the other job, the one that pays being an academic teaching in university. And one of the great joys of that other job is that I can get away without doing that much real good for the world and I still get to feel pretty good about myself. I mean, I haven't built any device that made someone's life easier. I haven't saved anyone's life with my medical knowledge.

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But I still get to feel okay about my job because the people I teach, they go on to do some pretty awesome stuff and I get to live sort of vicariously through everything that they achieve.

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I was thinking this to myself a few days ago, I was in some webinar or other one of those things where people send in questions and I was boasting about some of my favorite former students had gone out and made the world a better place.

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Later that day, I was in another whether or not this one was being run by a group of people, a group of people called SWANE, the Stranded Workers Action Network, and they're just a bunch of people who had got together to help stranded migrants. People were calling in from across India, people who are far away from home who had run out of money because they weren't being paid any more, who were stranded. They couldn't get back to their homes.

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And these guys were were calling in to this group of volunteers and the volunteers were finding ways to help them, helping them get food from the government or finding a local charity to help them or sending money directly to their bank account.

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And this group of volunteers were all spending many hours every day getting food to these people at the other end of the phone line who would literally not be eating the next day without their help.

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Pretty awesome stuff. And in amongst the dozen weary faces on the zoom screen in that webinar, who should I see? But two of my favorite former students, two of the very students I just been boasting about earlier that day, their names were Nitya and Annushka. Not surprising to see them there, really, it's exactly the sort of thing they get involved with, but it did make me feel pretty damn good about my job.

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This episode, then I thought we'd do something a bit different. It's a special sort of special episode. I thought we'd sit down and chat Zainichi and then Annushka and get to know them a little bit and also hear about what they've been doing.

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Ideally, we'd really get to speak to the people that they are speaking to all day, the migrant workers who are stuck without food or money thousands of kilometres from home in this lockdown.

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But those guys, well, they're pretty busy right now.

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And also, I thought would be interesting to speak to NITU and Annushka because, well, firstly, they're really honest, right? You're not going to get some sort of charity spiel from them. You're going to really hear what what's going on in the ground during this crisis, at least the economic side of the crisis. And secondly, they're both pretty wonderful people to speak to. Why are we doing this in a history podcast? Well, I could say that we're just doing more recent history.

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I could wax lyrical about how these are extraordinary times we're living through and history is being made all around us, although history is being made all around us all of the time, isn't it? And anyway, there's a much more simple and honest reason, the same reason I do this podcast at all. I'm basically trying to do things that would impress my wife, and I'm hoping that this is one of them. But I suppose the more relevant question is, why should you listen to these two guys speak?

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Well, there's no special reason if you want to skip this episode and move on to the next one, that will just be about history again. And and in fact, I won't mention the current crisis we're in. Not not because it's unimportant, but just because quite a lot of people talk about it.

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And I've got nothing much useful to add. Still, I think it's worth listening to these guys hearing their stories there, right at the very edge of the disaster is unfolding around us, and he didn't normally get time to hear from such people in depth.

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They normally get time to hear what their days are like. So if you're up for it, let's go and chat to them. When they're talking about Apu, that's Azim Premji University, the place where I taught them, and when they're talking about Swon, that's the standard Worker's Action Network, this group of volunteers who were on the webinar. Let's go phys ed Ed. Hello, who are you? Hi, I'm Alaska. I just didn't want to remember.

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What do you what do you do with your life in Russia right now?

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I try to keep up with college work during lockdown. I'm a young fellow and I was at university before this where it took me a few courses, many years. And I'm also volunteering with. The Stranded Workers Action Network. OK, cool. What does one do? Can you give us like a 30 second summary of what's one does?

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Right. So very quickly, if there are migrant workers stranded in different parts of the city because of the lockout, if they can find help lines in any way, they call us and we try to map them or connect them with NGOs that work in the areas where they're stranded. And if that's not possible, we have tons of small sums of money to sustain them for a few days before we can actually connect them with an individual taxpayer. Yeah. How are you doing with all?

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I see them very well. Not bad at. So it's Aslambek, how do you put it? It doesn't make you. I think when I talk to people, I tell them highlights like I'm having this conversation right now and this is what you take away from this conversation. And it's that it's it's terribly, terribly sad. But then when I'm talking to them, they're just so much more like it's just not sadness, you know, and it's just not desperation and that they do things that I would do in that situation.

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And there are places where, you know, the kind of having fun also because a few times I pick up a call and there's music playing in the background, people talking and things like that. So it's not just complete sadness. There's a lot more to it. Yeah. So so for me to have heard somebody saying these things, I would have been sad when making these conversations. It's not as bad. I would say it makes them a lot more like you and you understand how bad the situation is.

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But then in a very human kind of way, it's not just that. And it's just so much going on as a whole human being. Yeah. So tell us about when it when it doesn't go well, you remember some some story. On this Boston Globe mean just two days ago, and like I've said, it's been it's been a little difficult. It's not as bad as one by Penguin, but it's still quite difficult because we don't NGOs and right now we've passed on business to God knows how many angels and all of them saying that, OK, we'll do it.

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But all of them say in two days and we need to do this. So that's the problem. So this person called me and said, madam, tell them what's happening. We haven't gotten any better. And I said, oh, I was actually just about to call that the number eight and so on. And I said I was going to call you. And you think that will give them time to get traction. And it's been very difficult for certain NGOs to be to be with.

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And then he said, oh, you don't even care about us. And oh, God, that just it was just like, I don't know it. And I just said, oh, I'm so sorry. We'll make sure we call you again. And then I just refused to follow up because I just couldn't call that person again and that person I'd have to let go. But yeah, I think that's when it went pretty badly, I would say.

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But not bad in. What are some of the things that you've some people have said that have stuck with you? This was one that or you don't even think a lot about us, and I said, oh, that's that's me quite a lot. Then another several small things that also stick with you just the way above the dog. So I don't get this one person who calls me madam. I'm pretty sure that person is older than I am and he calls me madam.

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And he has a very, very nice way of saying doo doo doo doo and logistics with you of. I know what you're fighting for right now and even in that way that are different kinds of globalisation. So sometimes I have to make sure that people, people see who they are or they say that I can be. And you just want to make sure that there are people. So we asked them to send us photos and asked us to one group and they just said, no, we don't want to send you photos.

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And then I send photos of other people and send them all to your face. We just want to make sure it's dead people so that we can, you know, ask the donor to transfer money. And he said, OK, we don't we don't want your money that nobody's helped us until now. I don't think. How does it make it so that all the stuff is made quite a bit? Because I hate photographs and it's just invasion of privacy and and it just shows how much we don't trust other people.

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Yeah, I think we have to face this stuff. I'm pretty sure that I'm all. So tell us a story.

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Does a story of something where it went well, why did you do it?

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Yeah, I'm going to go at it.

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I don't think it goes to all fleeing a lot of conversations. So what you managed to get help to someone, they managed to get into a better situation. Oh, OK.

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I don't want to talk about those cases, particularly because a lot of cases are very, very grateful. And I just don't think they deserve that, you know, because I myself have no means of my own to donate. I would have if it was the case and even if it was me who was donating it, it's not something to be disgraceful about, you know, it's like it's all this, right? I don't know. It's not something to be thankful for giving giving the bare minimum.

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Yeah.

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Or doing the obvious thing, keeping people alive with minimum amount of food.

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Yeah. Yeah, you did.

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Tell me about that person when you were telling me you were telling me that you normally say thank you at the end of the call and say that's a lot of you to get ready for, then get over me like thank you so much.

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And then a minimum wage job on the here. And I said, thank you. Thanks a lot. And then it was and then I closed the phone. I mean, get off, because this is one person that we just finished donating money to. And I called the person up and give them the notification by then. And I said, money is spent on something can. So I heard him and I said, can you please confirm? And he said and he said, Yeah, yeah, we got the money.

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And I said, OK, thank you so much. And he said, well, and then it was really funny. I didn't love that message before. And it was very funny. Was great. Yeah. So do you think there's a difference in. How bad the situation is of the people you're talking to based on where they are. Do you think like Maharashtra is better than Goa or something like that? Yeah, that is a difference when it comes to reasons, I think was much better than the other.

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So I think one does not go as far as I know, it doesn't have any confirmed cases. Again, we don't know how much is being tested or at all. So in that way, it's all right. So there's not a lot of paranoia and people wanting to go out, for instance. And we talked to families who who were getting Russia very close to that point, but they didn't want to go because there were too many people and they were just paranoid about the disease.

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But I mean, I should just mention it. I in all the conversations that I've had, I think I've said the word coronavirus or covid maybe twice authorise. Not more than that, and this was like the only political connotations that I would have mentioned. Yeah, why?

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What's. I mean, everyone's talking about everyone in the world, but you're you're helping people who are stranded because of the coronavirus lockdown and you don't you don't say the word that you're avoiding it or it's just not relevant.

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Well, it's crazy. It's I think it's not even relevant. Frankly, it's. I don't know if it's very. It's very surreal and a lot of them just don't. Like, even I have stopped understanding the deceased part of it at all. I mean, when people are like. When little did I see you? When will this open like there's a date to it, you know, and we just say, you told me or something like that, and there's no conception of the disease.

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Gilead's, we're talking about the state instituting a certain kind of lockdown because not everybody is relating to this, to the disease in the same way. And it's not even the question of the disease what a lot of people, I think hunger and starvation are more real and tangible, not having any money to give your kids. This is more real than I think. The disease just doesn't matter even to me for some reason it feels like.

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I don't know, I'm just this white noise background, you don't even stop hearing it just because there's more urgent things that you're dealing with, all the things that are like tangible, that interacting with the only way I can interact with the disease right now is newspaper articles, talking to people about numbers and say, oh, have you looked at numbers? And it's awful and it's a large number again. And they're like, Oh, yeah. Right, you're including right.

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So that's yes. Well, I wonder if the doctors in the covid wards have exactly the opposite sensation, where for them the virus is the really real thing. And the difficult thing to understand is the numbers of people stranded and starving.

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Absolutely. Yeah, I would I would love to speak to it, but maybe not now, but when they're a little less occupied. OK. When when you were a kid, did you see yourself getting into this sort of thing? Did you were you sort of kid who just talk to people no matter their background?

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No, actually, even now, my family would say I'm ready. Like, wait, what is it in English that would be like a misanthrope? I think this person to say I go to parties or have a big group of friends go to functions and festivals and just not me.

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And I'm usually I don't usually in general, I don't talk to other people, but that's very different when I'm not with my family and otherwise I don't know why that is.

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But I know as a kid, I didn't see myself doing these things. I thought I was very, I don't know, prejudices. Yeah. And I always saw myself. I don't know. Swinging from branches in the forest or something without any paper, really? Did you did you grow up wanting to be a monkey? I mean, I'm confused.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think it one point I didn't want to be a human because, you know, because I was joking, but it's actually true.

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Fair enough. Oh, yeah, oh, God, why are you when you say these things?

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What's next for migrant workers who are stranded, the whole crisis, at least the economic side of the crisis for poor people?

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I don't know. I mean, I'm really dreading thinking about it. Frankly, I don't think it's going to be very good. A lot of them might just be overbooked than they are right now. I mean, they have terrible, terrible conditions of people walking for 30 days straight because they get paid every day. So it could be very bad. I know. I mean, I don't know. And they're not getting paid now anyway. And I it would be worse if they don't get jobs after this, you know, so if there's no stimulus package, for instance, that has these factories function, I mean, they would be without a job.

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And that's even worse than the way things are right now. And it's even worse than them being overlooked in a lot of ways. I asked many people if they want to go back to the village, but then they just know there is nothing we can do that doesn't work for money or have enough to sustain ourselves. So, I mean, I don't know.

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I've been doing this terrible thing with living and dying. I don't think about the big picture. Yeah. Even a.

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Sorry for the patchy sound quality. We'll come back to chat to a new at the end of the day. Let's go and have a talk with Nitya. Hi, who are you? I'm Nitya. I have a feeling I was about to say more than that, but let's do that.

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Hi. Who are you? I'm Nadia. I'm an alumnus of As Endgames University, working for an NGO in China right now. I'm also volunteering with Swan. OK, right, let's let's break that you I think you were once my student. Isn't that right? Yes. Last year this time. Oh, you've got some distant, foggy memory. Actually, I remember this very clearly, Nitya.

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I remember you telling me that you'd never used anything I taught you in the real world. That I would go back on that no, actually, yeah, really. Yeah, so that's something I've done has been helpful for something. So you studied humanities at APU and and then you moved it to Chennai. And what did you do in Chennai?

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I'm looking for an NGO that does education and development. So after school programs for children as well as community programs for women and youth. Right. So can you think of I'd be really nice to think of some stories. Don't don't put names in, but you can put alternative names in, even if their name is, it's fine, we can just bleep it out stuff where you've just made you think we stuff you remember basically. What about the last today, what was the most of what's happened today that stuck in your mind?

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So today was with regard to the follow up calls from a group that we had helped just. A week, less than a week back there, some Bandler and that a group of migrants from Bihar who have settled here for longer than 10 years. So you can hardly call them migrants anymore, but for some purposes, they're still very much seen as outsiders. So this in this in this particular locality that I bought these because a community of these because in a community kind of speakers and the background of this case was that for the longest time, both had been called for relief.

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But when we tried to link up to the local Punggye it and tried to get them relief, the distributor, the government and distributor who came refused to give the Hindu community Russian because he said. If they want Josh, they should just go back to where they're from and auscultation that well, yeah, but they can't exactly. But he said they're not from here. We will give production only to those with a nautical fashion. So and these people don't have that.

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So we're not going to give them Russian. And this is something he said over the phone to one of our volunteers directly. Crumb's the Supreme Court just just ruled, hasn't it, that that's not OK, that anyone who's hungry gets gets rationed even if they haven't got a ration card?

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Absolutely. And this is not even part of the monthly media. And this is covid relief. This is not the distribution from the PBS system. This is global relief. And it is there are no conditions regarding having the ration card or not. And this happened today. No, no. This happened a while back. So somehow we managed to get them ration a couple of days, but with great difficulty. And today this man called back and said that they were struggling because they had children in their homes and the ration kit consisted of rice, ata, don and a little bit of oil and no onions and no chili powder and nothing to cook the stove, carbohydrates and the proteins with the what were they going to eat with?

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They had no money to buy any more of. And they had many of them have small children in the house who need milk. So he wanted money immediately. And but specifically what he called for was to say that one of them in the group hadn't received Dushan because he hadn't been there when they were distributing it, because he was at the hospital with his wife, because she had just delivered a baby. And now the man, his wife and the baby are all back at home.

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And that family that has no money or anything and.

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And a new baby. Yes, that's terrifying.

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So any little thing that's out of the ordinary completely screws you over, even if things are going relatively well for everyone around you. Yes, not relatively well. That's not the right way to put it.

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Damn, so what happened? So we tried to transfer them. Dance for some money, just the account of this person, of course, anticipating that we would get a lot of questions from all the other parents around who were obviously concerned for their kids. But we thought we would somehow find a reason to justify that this is a newborn and the needs are different for the mother and so on. So. And then. What followed was a series of problems with the bank account and accounts being locked and being invalid and so on, but just yeah.

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So now we've managed to find an account of a neighbor's account that is working because this man's account was invalid and we've managed to transfer some money. But just the other case is something that sticks in your mind a lot.

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Do you do you see you getting a hundred calls a day, maybe on this maybe across India or across all of this one zone, we might be getting a hundred a day, but our highest number has been about forty two thousand forty two separate people.

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Right. Would people. Yes. Including me scores. It will be many times that. Right. So including missed calls, it will be many times that, I repeat goes, oh yeah, of course, because there will be many more. And also a single caller might not just be representing one family or one household. They might be calling from, say, a factory and speaking for one hundred people, even though the numbers that they're representing could go from anything from two to three hundred.

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Do you find it's dehumanizing all these people who need help? Do you find it just ends up being numbers? Yeah, yes, numbers and rules, a lot of rules. So on the day that we had forty calls, which was sometime in the middle of last week, we realized that the profile of the callers had moved a lot from the initial period during the lockdown. Initially, it was a lot more stranded migrant workers and so on was the volunteers did come together to help migrant workers.

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But the number of calls that we started getting from a settled population started to shoot up through more than half of the calls would be from a certain population, people who had been living in a place for longer than five or 10 years or maybe even had lived there all their life. They would in difficult situations do they had jobs that was similar to daily wages of. And they were out of work right now, some of them had ration cards and had received some of them had not, but the decision was that these workers would have significantly more social capital than a migrant.

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So they could they could have been a local store owner to give them some price on credit or something. They wouldn't be in as bad a situation as of migrant workers, which is believable given the case of this person that I just spoke about who was so blatantly discriminated against. So we sort of came up with this rule that we wouldn't do this needs assessment.

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So we that I spoke about for a settled population, rather, we would direct them, especially in Bangalore. We would direct them to the hunger helpline in Badler, which is the government helpline. And we know that it has been fairly responsive. So that was the decision. But I think. Just having all these lanes and these rules of makes it very difficult because then how will we being any different from that Russian distributor who said that I'm not going to give Russian to him this because of the Glasspiegel.

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So where did all these planes coming from? They seem quite agitated. And every time we try to make a rule that makes it easier for us to work with because of the number of calls that we have every time we tried to make a rule that makes it easier. This is some complex case that comes up that blurs the lines and makes us think and makes us. Pretty uncomfortable, and then those lines get it instantly drawn and this is happening on a daily basis.

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So I think like. Yeah, just this these numbers and all of that is there on one side and on the other side, there are these complex cases that through these rules into the air and make us feel like there can be no objectivity here. There can be no hard and fast conditions that we can look at to make our work easier, so to speak.

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But you think that as a group, you're still being responsive to people's needs on the ground. You're not just becoming a machine with a bunch of rules. You think you're still listening. I hope so. I hope so, and I I think we are all trying to remind each other of this one aspect of this and not just to see the difficulty of finding a government contact or giving data to an organization and things like that, because a lot of these become really mechanical, because the level of detail needed is so deep.

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But I think somewhere having these stories that we did each other, the being in touch with these people over hearing their voices eventually allow us to maybe keep each other in check. You sound really tired, I mean, you normally quite careful how you talk, but you're it sounds like you're having to pause each moment to think through the next bit is I'm also a little conscious because I'm being recorded, but.

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So tell us last week or two, I know from a story that went well, I'd actually like to talk about the same person that I was speaking about from Bihar who was in a locality with migrants as well. So this person was an extremely difficult case to deal with because part of the group had already received and the other but hadn't. And they were sort of scattered all over the localities. So extremely difficult to be able to get an idea of the numbers and to get a list of people in order to get help according to that.

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And at some point, they had given up because they had called multiple times to multiple people's numbers and they were seeing people come and give out some relief somewhere and then go away. And they weren't getting any. So at some point, they had they were coming very close to giving up. And one or two of them who were in constant contact did say, yeah, I'm not bothered anymore. I just now I just care about my family. If you can do something this to do what they said.

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And then one of them decided that, you know what, I'm going to make one last ditch effort to get this all together. And so he went physically to each house in that scattered neighborhood, to each house, all of the North Indian households that hadn't received help. And he also managed to find a few households who hadn't received zation in the last round of relief. And he noted down all of their deeds and coordinated with me multiple times and also with the group that had agreed to provide session.

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And he managed to get close to 40 families on the street in. In sort of these little buckets that would kind of maintain social distancing and also maintain a little bit of order so that they could the process of receiving the from that group that came in the vehicle would become easier. So. And so after two weeks of trying to get traction for them, we've finally managed to get some things. That was. A really happy thing. That was the positive thing.

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That's quite impressive on his part, right? Yeah, it is to be able to pull together the energy after being disappointed so many times, to be able to pull together the energy and the trust all over again to, you know, to put his trust in an organization and say, no, I'm going to try this working again. And he faced multiple people who were refusing to give that other guy details or whatever, because they said, how many times have we given it to you before and nothing came?

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Why should we put our privacy at risk? By I mean, they didn't say the word legacy, but they said are giving out other details and our background because it's not safe for us. Why should we give it do multiple things? They're not going to help us anyway. And he had to convince them and so on and so forth. And and I think actually, if if we could have him on on a broadcast like this, you would speak brilliantly.

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And it comes from a kind of desperation that I shouldn't be calling Glynde. But he he even said things like, we are being made fun of to get one single meal for one group. The other, they are just making a laughing stock out of us. And I respect. So, I mean, yeah, this is much stronger when it's said in Hindi, of course, but yeah. And I'm happy to think that he finally did get Russian, but on the other hand, yeah, there is a but to this because it doesn't feel like that case is resolved, they've got only the amount of Russian, again, that's going to keep them afloat for a bit.

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And it's certainly not enough to provide for that entire family given the nutritional needs that children or pregnant women have. It's not going to be enough. So there is that still looming in the background of all this? Happy new. How many people do you speak to just kind of given in to despair? Given up to people from that same community when I tried to speak to them to help in this process of collection of information so we could give a list to this NGO that was asking for a list of people, she's yeah, she just said, I'm not going to I, I don't care anymore.

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I just want some resources for my family at this point. So you tell me if you can help me, I'm not going to go and get any details from anybody. And yeah. Yeah, there's also another case, this is not something that I personally handled, but somebody else in the world getting soldier, she handled this where a person was having a lot of trouble sending his bank account details. So they tried multiple times with three different bank accounts.

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And he started to doubt the entire process that somehow money was being kept from him because they didn't want to give him money or something. So he would routinely collect his volunteer soldier and say things like, if you don't want to give me the money, you tell me that. Don't lead me on and keep me under this false belief that I'm going to get money. If you're not going to send it to me. And she's going home requesting him to understand that it's it's a simple bank issue.

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And if he could provide an account that met all the conditions that she was asking for, the transfer could be done. I was feeling from the bank side, which is not in her control. And he just and just today, actually, he he after ignoring her calls and messages multiple, then he picked up a gun and said, you know what, you don't have to give me money, have to give me anything, just give. And he got the gold, which was something that was a little hard for her to deal with in the middle of all this.

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And and it just shows the level to which they're also fed up with the system, because this kind of frustration wouldn't come if they hadn't faced multiple rounds of desperation and frustration and if they hadn't been met. So many things.

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So it's most these guys have got rations for two days or something like that. Right. So this is it's not like they don't need need help. Oh, they must be really, really pushed to the limit to just give up on that.

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Yes, yes. Yes. Some of them haven't they've that they've had to move to eating less meals a day because they realize that their ration wouldn't last that long enough and so on, some have called us in states where they said they haven't eaten all day or for a day before. And so but in those cases, we have managed to make the transfer within the same day, thankfully. But there are cases like this.

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How is that happening, though? Because the evidence, all the government agency ration is supposed to be giving out double rations.

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Right. Oh, that is to people who that is to people who have it to the rationale of being distributed through the media is goes only to the people who have a ration card. And as much as people are saying that it should go to everybody and so on, that that is not that's not happening for sure. And ration shops themselves or on the stock like in in in Mysore for sure. The dollar stocks haven't come yet. So at this point, they're just giving out rice and some amount of water, but not much, mainly just rice and not even Don and.

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There's no vegetables or spices or anything included, so and all of this is just to the people who have a ration card, so the people who don't have it got all the even more difficult cases, who have a large family back in their village. And so they've left their ration card so that their wives or their mothers can get ration and they're out here and they have no way of accessing ration. My sense is the. Government is the only thing big enough to deal with this problem, that civil society can only kind of nibble at the the corners of this huge pile.

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Revisionists for sure. And we're definitely seeing that in terms of our response, just like this one as a group of volunteers coming together. We are definitely seeing the limitations and the power we have to reach. We have and we're definitely seeing it in the magnitude of relief, that is, that a civil society organization can provide, they can provide maybe in the magnitude of a few thousands. And that's also the largest of them. But the government has the capacity to reach so many more so.

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So your job in this one is to be. Poking your thumb into the dike to stop it collapsing until the government gets there, is that it? Yes. And also, meanwhile, calling very loudly to the government in more and more urgent tones to contrast. All right, thanks. Thanks a lot, Nicha, it's. You sound worn down by it, I guess. I mean, obviously, it's easier for you than for some of the most the people you were talking to.

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But yeah, I hope you manage to stay strong and get through it. Yeah. All right. Thanks.

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Thank you so much. OK, so really right now, let's go and check back in with the can see how it's gone. Hi, Annushka, so we're just joining you at the other end of the day, right? We spoke at the beginning of the day. How's your day been?

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It was all good. Yeah. How many calls did you have?

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I think to many that I passed on during our first podcast, I didn't even think I was like, I'm really sorry about the conversation you had with five or six schools, which you missed, or you can pass on to someone else.

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Yeah, yeah. I think I pass them on to somebody else. And I think they wouldn't do many of those calls because I think I had about six, seven. Yeah. Not as bad as the other ones I hope. Ripia. Did you have any any stories from today that you could share? Oh, sure. So I actually just recently, the last call that I had was close to my empathy. And the person got me from Texas and we were just chatting and like, OK, you know, I can't do anything right now because even the people that I usually contact will be asleep by then.

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I'm not working. So we just started talking and he was talking about how they are doing the fast he and his friend Ramadhan. Yeah. And we got into this whole section with I just started talking about, well, you lost sight of God because of body. And we had a small network and we tried to help you as much as, again, as much as we can. And that are close to 90 people in this place. And I think that's kind of 90 stranded workers running low on food, is it?

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Yeah. So we're not yet clear on how many of them are taught that low on food, but at least one of them. And anyway, we are talking about God because we have a good alligator and he's like, oh, and then he was very sad all of a sudden and he was telling me about how he was like for him to go back to the village. And I said, no, I'm sorry about that kind of power we do not have.

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It was just saying how nice it would be to be back at home with his family where there's food for like a year. Now, that security would be certainly very nice. And I said, yeah, it would be wonderful to celebrate with the whole village. And he said, well, even to is not more than four people can gather. And and I mean, that's true, of course. And that's sad. But I said probably if they took it on, I could good up getting you know, people are getting affected by the disease.

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And he said, I don't have to say this is right. He said, you know, loudspeaker to us on whether this is good or not so good on us not getting transmitted to you, hearing the ads on a loudspeaker. He said the delivery would be way that unfortunately they can never recreate. Yeah, I just thought this is so true. And I mean, it was sad. And yeah, I tried not to think about it, but it was a funny.

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So it was kind of.

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All right. All right, man. Thanks. Take care. Thank you. Good night. Good night. I was great to speak to those guys, great to catch up with them. They had a lot of details in their heads, but in between it got a bit of a sense of what's going on, on the ground with the people they're speaking to and what's going on in their own lives.

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And the really wonderful thing about speaking to people who are doing things that you don't understand is that they always say things that are surprising.

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I hope it was interesting for you to. If you want Swan, this Stranded Workers Action Network, the group that they're working with, Swan, can give you a way to give directly to workers stranded in India.

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You just fill out the Google form. It's linked in the description of this podcast. I don't think that they take international transfers. I'm afraid you can also look them up on Twitter at stranded workers. They've got a report up there with facts and figures, if you want to know more. History podcast will continue as normal later in the week. This was a special special episode. Now we're going to go back to the normal special episodes. Wherever you are, I hope that you and the people that you care for doing well, that you're doing OK.

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I hope that we pull together. Until next time. Take care.