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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.


Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.


Hello, Sebastian. What Joe?


It's my first time here at the Austin property.




First of all, most comfortable chair I've ever said. They're great, right? I I feel like when I come here or when I come to this podcast, it's my third time on it, I feel like I'm in the future. I feel like you got things that aren't even out yet. I just feel like this chair, the general public can't even have access to it yet.


No, but they do. We've had these for years. Whatever they are. These are great.


Then I feel like I never drink water out of-Metal cup?


Yeah. We're sustainable here.


I feel like there's a reason for everything that you do.


There's definitely a reason for metal cups. You really shouldn't be drinking out of plastic.Okay.Yeah. Again.


I mean, I do. I drink a plastic water bottle. Someone gives me one, but I avoid them whenever I can.


Yeah, of course. We all know the plastics. I'm drinking out of plastic bottles myself, and I don't know. I don't see that much of a-It's going to turn you into a chick. Well, maybe. Is this even real water? What water is it? It's filtered. All right.


Filtered water. What is it? It's a super filter. It's some crazy filter. Definitely a special machine that can't even unplug.


You can't get this water outside the room.


You can't get the water outside the room. Good water, right? It's very delicious.


And then you got a whole... I don't know if anybody's ever talked about your area on your side of the table. There's just so much shit going on over there.


A lot going on.


There's tins.


There's mammoth teeth. I got an arrowhead, a legit arrowhead. It's probably 500,000 years old.


You got soil on your book shelf out there? Yes. I've never seen anybody jar soil before.


Well, that was from a gentleman who runs White Oaks Pastures. His name is Will Harris. He has this amazing amazing farm. It's a regenerative farm. He gave us two pieces of soil. Was that Carl Barkin? He wants to fight. He didn't get enough biting me this morning. One more out first. Carl's getting hard, dude. He bit my finger. That was a real yipe. When he bit me this morning, I was like, Yo.


Carl goes after you. Yeah, he went after me.


But anyway, that soil, one of them is a jar of regenerative soil, which soil that is how a farm is supposed to be run, where there's manure and chickens and all the animals just ruminate and they live off the land in a natural way. It's a deep, rich, dark soil. The other soil, which is pale, that's industrial soil. That's soil that's been used with industrial fertilizers, and the top soil is dead and it's just garbage, which is most of what we eat.


See, the difference between you and I is you actually remember what the soil does. Somebody gave me soil? Somebody gave me soil? And you said you got soil? Yeah, somebody gave me dirt, and I would know the difference between the two.


You see, the dark dirt is the good dirt. That's the real dirt. That's how dirt is supposed to look out in the wild. That's what we're supposed to be eating food from. Mineral-rich soil. So you get healthy vegetables, healthy animals.


That's beautiful that you have that on display. Yeah. And again, Coming and taking a tour of this place is inspiring. You make me want to spend money.


Yeah. He should spend money. You definitely should spend money. Because if you don't spend money, like What's the point in having it?


I know. I wish I could get there, but you-Come on, bro.


Look at that watch. You're bawling. Look at that thing. What is that?


My wife gave me this.


That's a beautiful watch. What is that?


It's a Cartier watch for our wedding.


That's gorgeous.Thank you.Let me see that. Let me look at that. That's a pretty watch. That is a lovely watch. Well, thank you, Joe.


I appreciate it. Yeah, she gave me this for our wedding gift. Very nice.


But the watch got taste.




She got a lot. You a handsome bastard.


She got a lot more taste than I do. I tell you that right now.


I know. I let my wife pick out almost everything. When I have nice sneakers on, it's generally my wife bought them.


Does your wife comment on your clothing?


She does, but she leaves me alone for the most part. But she'll dress me occasionally if I have to go out. But basically, I'm a fucking teenager.


Yeah, well, yeah. You got a T-shirt, like a jiu-jitsu T-shirt guy.


I wear T-shirts. They're comfortable. I wear jeans. They're comfortable. I don't really give a fuck.


I don't think I've ever seen you in a suit. I wear suits.


Yeah, I have some nice suits. I have David August made me a whole... I have a whole row in my office. I'm in my house, my closet filled with suits. Yeah, I got a bunch of custom-made suits. Because I can't wear regular suits. Don't fit in them. This is all 200-pound, 5'8 dudes. It's just very odd-shaped-They don't make clothing. Chimp sizes. Short dudes are really wide.Chimpanzi collection? Yeah. But it's a nice fitted suit. It's a fucking wonderful thing to have because it just fits you perfect. All the cuffs and everything. You feel different. You put it on. All the boys, we did a show in Vegas. We did the MGM, the Grand Garden Arena, and we did me and Brian Simpson, Tony Hinchcliff Hans Kim, and I got them all suits. I said, Let's all get like, We're doing Vegas. Come on, let's do it rat pack style. We got some of these beautiful David August suits, and Jamie got one, too. It was incredible. Nice. It was so much fun. It's nice. You feel different when you show up with a suit on.


You do feel different. However, I-Look at that.


That's us. Oh, yeah. Come on, son.


That's a nice-Sharp. Shut.


Everybody's looking sharp. Look at Jamie with the shades. Come on. Got the full Pulp Fiction ponytail going on. Look at you.


Nice, right? I feel, though, with a suit, and I've noticed this as I've gained some weight in the midsection, wearing a suit is becoming extremely uncomfortable if you don't have a very tight body.


Right. If you get stuck around here, it binds you. Tucking the shirt, there's the buttons are hanging out from there.


I'm fluctuating in my weight where the suits I got right now, I got to work in them.


Yeah, well, you and me are both Italian and Italians. We just love our pasta.


It's a real problem. It's a problem, especially after you hit 50, it just seems to not go away.


It doesn't go away. The only way to go away is to not eat pasta. That's the only way. That's the only way for me. Not eat pasta and booze. If I cut way back on the booze and no pasta, my body just goes and travels back to normal.


Yeah. I'm in the process of trying to get back in shape.


It's so hard to avoid that food. The food is just like, if it's in front of me, I just have a real problem.


Well, you like to eat meat. Do you find that the meat is helping your physique and- Yeah, if I just eat meat, yeah, definitely.


Yeah, because meat is very satisfying. Meat has what's called a high satiety rate, which means when you eat it, you get satisfied when your body has had enough. But I always say this It's like, if you gave me a steak, just a steak, 16-ounce steak, I eat it, I'm good. I don't need anything else. But if there's a bowl pasta next to that steak, I'm eating the pasta, too. If there's some bread and butter, I'm going to eat the bread and butter. Somebody rolls out dessert, of course, I'll have dessert. Next thing you know, I've consumed 1,500 extra calories that I didn't even really want or need. You just get addicted to just stuff in your face, just stuff. If I don't leave like this, my stomach literally will distend out. Where I look at myself in the mirror, I'm disgusted. Like, what have you eaten? Look at all the mass you put in your body. Because if you looked at If you keep your stomach right here, this is my normal stomach. But if you add that much food, which is how I'll consume that much food easy, it just goes right here. You just look at it like, You a fat piece of shit.


You're lazy, slovenly, greedy fuck. Look what you've eaten.


You get any... You sweat at night when you sleep after you have meat. I'm drenched.


I have a thing called an eight sleep mattress cover.


I have one.


They're fucking amazing. It's a game changer.


Okay, so do you crank that thing up to 10 after you eat a meal like that to cool off the body?


No. Generally, if I'm sweating, it's because I'm having nightmares. I'll have some nightmares and I'll wake up drenched. Not in that thing, though. That thing, generally, I don't think I have woken up sweaty since I got it. Really? I always used to wake up sweating. I would wake up on wet sheets.


Oh, yeah. No, I eat rib by. Two o'clock in the morning, I get up and I'm like, Sweating. That never used to happen when I used to eat.


I don't remember what I have the eight sleep thing dialed into, but I got it right there at the sweet I've tried it a little too cool, a little too warm, but now I got it right there. I sleep like a baby.


Do you have it heat up in the morning?


I think it does. I think it's on some a cycle. I'm not exactly sure. I don't remember how I set it up, but there's a bunch of different options that you can do, and you can even have a different option for you or your wife if she likes it warmer or cooler. It's nice.


No, it's been a game changer for my life.


It does make a big difference. Taking care of your sleep is I've really prioritized that, especially recently, because owning the club and being out late. I was doing two shows a night, which is also a lot. It was too much. I was doing six hours of comedy a week, just doing three nights, just doing Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, two shows a night. But it was just I was too tired. I was burnt out. I wasn't getting the proper sleep because I'd get home, shows over 12:30 or something like that. I get home hanging out with the guys at the club. I get home at 1:30, and then I start writing. And so I write from 1:30 to 4:00, and then I have to get up at 10:00 to work out. I'm like, This is too much.


I'm too tired. You're writing material in the dead of night?


Yeah, that's when I write. Wow. Yeah. I almost always find that I'm most productive when everyone in my house is asleep, so I don't have to like, Dad, I don't have to think about anything. Did you do this? Did you put that away? Where's the thing? I don't have to deal with anything. The dog's asleep. Everybody's cool. I can just sit in front of that fucking computer and think. And that's the only time that I have free reign in my house where there's no one awake. So I get my best. And also, I think you're jazzed up when you get off stage. And if you could just hold on to that. Like, your brain is already in comedy mode. Your brain is already thinking.


Yeah. For me, I do a voice message. I record the set and I'll listen to it afterwards. But as far as creating, I feel like after 10:00, the whole body shuts down. I got two small kids, so maybe that's why they're up early. Sure, they're up early. But yeah, 9:30, 10:00. Talk about the two shows. I used to do two shows with my eyes closed, and now it's the second show. It's like, Hey.


Are you taking vitamins?


I take supplements like multivitamin. I'm sure I don't have it dialed in.


You should get it dialed in. It'll make a big difference.


Much as it should be, but I just feel exhausted, Joe. I am tired. Yeah. I just constantly have to have sips of caffeine throughout the day to stay alive. That's where I'm at. You look like you wake up ready to go.


I got this whole vision of what your day must you look like.


You must spring out of bed and go, Give me it. Talk about not having a suit on. I don't think since I've known you, I've seen you yawn I'm not kidding, bro. You constantly look awake. What is it?


It's health. The water? It's all the above. Supplements, definitely. That's a big factor. I take a lot of vitamins. I take athletic greens. That's one thing I take. But I take a whole suite of different vitamins. I take a bunch of different things like vitamin D, vitamin K2. I take things for eyesight. I take just fish oil. I take creatine. I take a lot of stuff. Okay. Yeah.


I took three or four vitamins once. I swallowed it with some water. I cough and a puff of white smoke came out of my mouth. I think the body is rejecting the vitamins.


It's got to be a slow process. You don't want to dive right into the amount of vitamins. The amount of vitamins I take is like half of this coffee cup. Every day.


Taking a couple.


You have a whole cabinet. It's filled with supplements, and I pull them out.


When you travel, what do you carry? A suitcase of supplements?


I have a bag. In my bag, and in my bag. Most of the time when I travel, there's a company called Pure Encapsulations, and they make these packs, like athletic pure pack. They're great for travel. Very easy. You don't have to think about it. Just rip open the pack, take those vitamins, and you're good. When I'm on the road, generally... You're getting rid of Carl? Is he too rowdy? He's rowdy. He wants to bite me.


He's teething. How cute is that dog? He's cute. I just got a dog. What did you get? Never a dog owner in my life. Really? It's the first I've ever had a dog. It's a labradoodle.


Oh, those are great dogs.


It's extremely intelligent. Yeah. But I don't think it likes me. What? I don't know. He's looking at me like... He loves my wife, loves my kids. He doesn't like you. I don't know. It's not as excited to see me as maybe my wife and kids. Really? I'm just very perceptive on the...


Maybe he wants to be the man. Is he the man of the house?


Well, he's becoming the man. Does he have balls? Yeah.


Well, he'll keep his balls. Don't. No.


That's what I think the dog trainer said. Just keep them nuts and tight.


The whole idea is you don't want unnecessary puppies. Right, I agree. Don't let your dog breed, but be with your fucking dog. But if you take your dog's balls off, now your dog doesn't have any testosterone anymore. They develop hip problems and joint problems. They're tired all the time, just like a man. If you take his balls away, they become a eunic. That's what you're doing to your dog. I've seen people do it, and they're like, Oh, my jeez. I wish I didn't do it. Andrew Huberman said that. He started giving his dog testosterone because he got his dog fixed. And then his dog was like listless all the time. And so he felt terrible. And they started doing the research on it and looking into it and like, Oh, you need hormones. Dogs do it just like people do. It's terrible for them.


Yeah, we'll keep his nuts intact.


I had a vet that told me that. One vet, a great guy, and he was like, Don't do it. Everybody says to do it. You're not taking your dog somewhere and letting your dog breed with a bunch of different dogs and have puppies just that are irresponsibly. So your dog has a nice yard. You're a good dog owner. You're with them all the time. Don't worry about it. Don't do it.


As long as you're paying attention to them. Yeah.


The whole idea is just to not... I mean, people are responsible. That's why I can't go to the dog pound. If I go to the dog pound, I will have 20 dogs. My dog's perfect. He's awesome. But I love dogs. I would have. You're hoping for them? Yeah, I always had dogs. I would have as many dogs as I can. I love them. They're just pure love. If you have a good relationship with your dogs. If your dogs love you and you love them, it's like every day I wake up and I say to my dog, Good morning, sir. And he goes, he starts wimpering and whining and wagging his tail 50 miles an hour. And he goes around in circles and we hug it out. I him and I rub his belly. It's like we have a morning ritual. I love dogs, man.


Oh, it's nice.


It changes your life. They make your life filled with love. Cats are cool, but they're aloof. They want to be pet, and then they go away and they're cool. They just want to go outside and kill something. Your dog is like your friend. He wants to hang out with you. I take him to work. He's like, Are we going to work?


This is crazy.


We're going to work. Every day when I bring out the ball, I think he's going to be bored with the ball. I bring out the ball, today, he's like, enough with the ball. But, Nope, every day, he's like, The fucking ball. He's got the ball. He's running around in circles, jumping up in the air, trying to steal the ball from me before I throw it. It's amazing.


Yeah, that's what I hear a lot of dog owners. You're not having that experience? Well, not yet. How old is he? He's like three months old.


Just spend time with him. Hang out with him. Play with him a lot.


I'm playing. I'm just saying. I don't know if it's the cologne I got on.


I would smell horrible.


What the hell is this?


You probably smell like a chemical factor. What the fuck does this dude smell like?


I feel... Do you wear cologne? I feel like you don't wear cologne.


Do you wear cologne? What do you mean?


Do you wear cologne?


Wear cologne? I thought you said work alone. No, I don't wear cologne. No, I barely wear... I only wear deodorant because I don't want to be offensive, because I will get offensive. I'll smell terrible. But I wear natural deodorant with no aluminum in it and all that chest.


Of course you do. I don't I don't smell.


You don't smell at all? No. Are you sure? Can I smell you? Go right ahead. How can you not smell?


I don't have whatever it is that gives off any type of body odor. Really? I don't have it.


Have you been told this by someone or you just deduce this on your own?


I've gotten sweaty many a times. I even asked my wife, Did I smell? She was, No. So I don't emanate any odor while I'm sweating.


Interesting. Maybe your wife can't smell good.


No, I'm telling you, Joe. Believe me, I'm very keen on odors. If I smell anything, I make sure that that's taken care of.


Odors are interesting because your olfactory senses, they detect changes in smell. They don't detect static smells. That's why people that live in an area like with a slaughterhouse, they don't freak out. My family used to live in Pennsylvania, and when I would drive from New York to go visit them, when I would drive through these areas where they have farms and slaughterhouses, fertilizer, it's fucking terrible smell in the whole town. Like, how can these people live here? They don't smell it. Oh, the no body odor gene. That's what you have. People have the A, B, C, C 11 non-functioning gene variant have dry ear wax and little to no body odor.


Now, I've known this for some time, that I have no body odor. But it's nice to come on this show because there's always a reference put up. I could have looked that up. I never looked it up. Here you come and you walk away knowing that you don't have the gene that emits odor.


Yeah, some a gene expression. Interesting. I wonder what the benefits. We were talking about this yesterday, people that didn't shower. There was people that went their whole life without bathing because bathing was considered a sin. It was sinful. You want to discourage people. Where was that that we're reading? It was something religious, right? It was about royalty, old-timey people. But Saint Agnes, is that who it was that went His whole life without bathing at all? His whole life, no bathing.


Imagine. I couldn't imagine that.


Imagine what that guy smelled like. Imagine what his asshole smelled like. What the fuck, dude?


Have you gone recently in the last 10 years without taking a shower or cleaning yourself, at least? Did you miss a day?


I've missed a day before. But generally, no, because I work out. So if I work out, I always shower. I'll cold plunge and sauna. You just drench and sway. You feel like shit if you don't wash off a little.


No, I agree. I think I might be showering too much. How much do you shower? Well, I normally get two showers in a day. Really? Sometimes three. I feel like if I'm going to go to dinner, say, with my wife, I feel like I can't take the day shower and bleed it into the night. I feel like it's a reset. You're going to get re-ready for the dinner.


You want to look nice? You want to feel nice? Put that watch on.


Put the watch on and go out and have a nice bowl of pasta. Sweat the death until a clock in the morning.


Do you use the eight sleep thing? Does it help you?


Well, it's Again, I got this eight sleep. It's supposed to monitor your sleep. I got the aura ring supposed to monitor. You know what I need?




I need accountability. I need to send the data to someone.


And have someone change your lifestyle.


And have them analyze it and go, Oh, you know what the problem is? You're waking up at one o'clock in the morning, and that's disrupting your sleep. I got all this data. I got an Apple Watch. Oh, I burned 390 calories. Okay. What does that mean? There's no... I have a lot of data. I don't have a lot of analysis.


All right? Do you have a trainer?


I have a trainer, yeah.


Maybe we should get a nutritionist. You got some bread. Get a nutritionist. Get someone who you can show the data to, and they'll tell you what you're doing wrong. All right.


I need someone to hand over the data.


They have companies that do stuff like that. Okay. Yeah, you can get that done. You should do that. I bet the late night eating thing is a real problem. That one makes you feel terrible when you sleep in.


What's late night eating? Some say, All right, you should have dinner at 5:30, 6:00, and after that, you don't eat. If you go to bed around 9:00, 9:30. What's a late night meal for you?


At One o'clock in the morning last night, I was cooking elk steaks. One o'clock in the morning.


Then you were up till 4:30.


I was up till 3:00.


Yeah. I mean, as long as you're not going to sleep, I figure two, three hours. I think two, three hours is a good time to go to bed after a meal.


Yeah, a couple of hours. But I've done it where I eat and then go right to bed. That's terrible.


That's terrible. We have eight o'clock at night, we're eating. Next thing you know, 8:41, we're in bed. I'm like, Is this healthy?


You should go for a walk. Go for a walk around your neighborhood.


I just saw something online that walking-I was going to share that.


Who was that? Huberman Lab. Oh, yeah, there it is. That's from Andrew Huberman, again. Brief post-meal walks and blood sugar regulation. They explain the simple yet large positive effect that a brief post-meal walk, as simple as it may sound, the date is impressive, and it is impressive stuff. I forget exactly what the numbers were, but 30, 35% the change in your blood sugar level is by taking a walk around the block after a meal. Pretty amazing.


With all this stuff that's out, all this information of how to live your life. You took me to a tour. You got the tank, the sauna. I feel like at this age, at 50, all the stuff that you got to do to prepare for the day, by the time you're done with it, you got to go back to bed again. So by the time you work out, do the cold plunge, you're in the sauna, you're in the tank, and then it's time to go to bed. It's time to go back to bed with all this shit you got to do, right? It's not that much- It used to be you just work out for an hour, you took a shower, and you went on with your day. Now I got to go I purge myself in water, I got to go sweat, then I got to go float in a tank.


The tank takes a lot of time. But the other things don't take... The float tank takes a lot of time. But the other things, like cold plunge adds three minutes to my day. Sauna adds 20 minutes to my day. It's 25 extra minutes of my workout.


That's it. I wasn't looking for the time breakdown, Joe.


I was just saying- But it doesn't take the whole day.


But I'm just saying the amount of... Then you got to eat the vitamins, the half a cup, and But it's all said done. It's time for dinner.


No, you get things done, man. You're exaggerating. I get you doing that. It's the way you do humor. I get it.


I don't have to exaggerate.


It's plenty of time. It's plenty of time. You just don't waste your time. Like today, I wasted an hour just scrolling through Instagram. It's one of the rare days. I just felt like indulging myself. I'm like, Let's fucking see what's going on in the world. Bunch of nonsense. Some interesting things, but just a bunch of nonsense for a whole hour, just wasted scrolling.


Yeah. I mean, there's time, there's mind-numming things that you do to, whatever, carry yourself throughout the day. I'm just saying, 20 years ago, nobody knew about any of this shit, about what you did, sweating and what that does. Now with the internet, you could throw up. Before the internet, if we were talking about walking, we would just go, Oh, yeah. Now walk is good for you. Next thing you know, Now we got a whole study up on the screen of how walking is beneficial to you and this, that, and the other thing. I'm just saying with the amount of information out there, sometimes I feel a little bit overwhelmed going, How much do I got to do to get through the day?


Well, it depends on how you want to feel. If you want to have a lot of energy like I do, you have to do a lot of things. I firmly believe this is the reason why I'm so productive. And I think if I didn't do the cold punch and the song and the workouts and the vitamins and eat and healthy, I'd be a completely different human being.


I know.


That's why I thought-I wouldn't have the energy.


No, I get it. There's a lot you got to do.


Yeah, there's a lot you got to do.


I see people on the internet sweating. Then I'm like, Okay, do I got to start sweating? Is the steam room that I got at home? Is that not enough? Do a couple of eucalyptus sprays, breathe in, I sweat a little bit, and then I come out, right? That's not bad. But now do I need an infrared sauna because now I got to get the sweat that's inside that's not coming out of the steam? What's happening, Joe?


The infrared sauna is probably very good for you, but there's not a lot of data on it like there is with the traditional dry sauna. A traditional dry sauna, there's a lot of very beneficial data. And the thing about the difference between steam and sauna is you can't really get steam hot enough because you'll cook because it's just too crazy. You can't get a 190 degrees steam shower. You'd literally go in there and scald your skin. But you can get a 190 degrees dry sauna, and you go in there and you really fucking sweat. And that's when your body develops all those heat shock proteins because your body's acting to it overheating. So it has to do something to mitigate that effect. And that effect of mitigating it is what's so beneficial for your life. I mean, there's a study out of Finland. They did a 20-year study that found that using the sauna for 20 times a week for 20 minutes at a time, and I think it was 175 degrees, lowers your all-cause mortality by 40 %. That means strokes, heart attack, cancer, everything. Lovers it by 40%, and this is a long term study of many, many people.


So the 190 degrees is a lot more beneficial than the steam. A steam at 120, is that doing anything? It's doing something.


Yeah, it's all good. A hot bath is good. Everything is good. Getting your body to heat up is good because it gets your body to react. And it's the same thing. It develops those heat shock proteins. A really hot bath is very good for you. If you can get in a nice hot, especially if you get some Epsom salts in there, you get that magnesium, I got a really hot bath. Very, very good for you.


You know what I started doing? Talk about magnesium. And I don't know if you've ever done this, but I'm doing... I got a little spray bottle of magnesium. I spray it on my feet at night, and I put socks on. You ever heard of that move? No.


Why did you do that?


Saw it online. Let me try this. I'm a guy. I'll tell you right now, this is what I do. I don't do research.




None. I see that, I go, Oh, this guy's spraying the magnesium. I'm going to see putting socks on. I'm going to try that tonight.


That's it. No Google search?


No Google search. No, nothing. Okay. It could be killing me for all I know. I don't think it is. But I'm doing magnesium feet shock sleeps.


Does it seem to have a change in the way you feel?


Again, haven't done it consistently enough to even find out if this is helping me.




So I'm a guy that does things on the whim, and there's really no consistency with it.


Let's look into it for you because the magnesium foot spray, now I'm interested. What is the deal behind that? There's definitely multiple products being sold for has magnesium oil for your feet. I didn't see anything necessarily saying you need to keep socks on, too.


I throw the socks on just because I don't want to oil up your sheets. I don't want magnesium all over the bed.


I'm trying to find a solid source of No, that's what I'm doing.


My wife is even looking at me going, Jesus Christ, this is where we're at now. I'm at the edge of the bed spraying my feet. I'm like, What? She's like, Really? Magnesium on your feet? Is this where the relationship is?


What the fuck?


I don't know if you could... The internet probably don't even have this information. I saw it on a random... I think it was an Instagram video.


Well, I would imagine it get absorbed through your skin just like the float tank does. The float tank is a great source of magnesium because there's a thousand pounds of Epson salt in the water and your skin absorbs it. So I would imagine your skin's absorbing that stuff you're spraying on your feet. Yeah, it just doesn't absorb it as well as an oral supplement. Okay. That's about all it says. Yeah, so not good absorption, but it works a little bit.




Pull something. It can help with cramps or some nerve functions. Magnesium helps people sleep, though, right? It's a good one for sleep. Yeah.


I notice Sometimes when I get those IV and there's magnesium in there, I feel exhausted.




The IV, again, this is another thing people do. Oh, you got to get a bag of whatever the hell is in the thing. I don't even ask. Just give me the bag, and I get it, right?


Don't feel any different. No? You will if you're sick. I tell everybody, if you are down, if you're feeling shit. You're run down. Get an IV vitamin drip. It's a game changer, especially with a high dose of Zinc and vitamin C. You get an IV vitamin bag and you will feel way better. Bill Burr was sick as a dog when I saw him last. I was like, How long have you been sick for? He's like, Two weeks. I can't shake this call. I go, Please listen to me. I just do this. Get a vitamin IV. And he texted me the other day. He's like, Dr. Rogan. He goes, It fixed me. I was like, I'm going to do that from now on. I'm like, From now on, anytime you're sick, you feel like shit, get a high dose of vitamin C, Zinc, B12, the whole deal in a bag. You'll feel much, much better because it gives your body the tools it needs to fight off whatever the fuck is trying to get you.


Yeah, Joe, listen, I've done the bag.


All right. Right.


While ill.


It hasn't helped?


Well, it's helped, but not like where I came out of it. This is what I'm thinking. If I take the bag and I got a cough after I take the bag-The cough should go away.I don't want the cough anymore.Right. If the cough is still there, I feel like, all right.


Have you ever done NAD? No. Nad is rough. How do you say it again? Nucleotide, adenine. What is it? Nicotinine adenine, adenine, dinucleotides? Yeah. Oh, yeah. What is it? So NAD is a supplement that you can take that actually helps your telomeres lengthen, which is a sign of healthy bodies in young people. Found in all living cells, NAD is called It dinucleotide because it consists of two nucleotides joined through their phosphorus groups. So you take that in an IV bag, and generally, most people do it over a long period of time. You do it over two hours. So you just watch a movie because it's very uncomfortable. What? They get it? Yeah, the NAD is very uncomfortable. It's very uncomfortable for your stomach. It makes you cramp up. If you do it quick, it's an intense feeling that most people don't enjoy.


What's the benefit?


What does it do? There's a lot of benefits. There's a benefit for your immune system. There's a benefit cognitively. You feel much better. You come out of it when your body is replenished with that stuff. You just feel fantastic. Okay. I feel really good. That's something else I got to do. But that's one that needs some time unless you can go hardcore and just deal with the uncomfortable feeling.


I don't do anything hardcore. Nothing? Nothing in my life is hardcore.


Interesting. Do you have an aversion to Hardcore things, or is it just how it all panned out?


It's just all how it panned out. Hardcore for me is... Hardcore is comedy. That's what I do.


Okay. Hardcore is-One thing. One thing. One thing where you're all in on.


All in on comedy. Other than that, outside, I wish I was more interested and dove into things a little bit more deeper than I have. Everything with me is a little bit on the surface.


Do you really wish that? Because I feel like if you did wish that, you would just do it, right?


Yeah. I just wish I had the... I don't know what it is inside me that would make me want to learn more about... I like cooking, but I don't dive so into it where I'm coming up with recipes and doing this and that and the other thing. Right. I'll look at a YouTube video, make the fish, and then here's the fish. But I don't take it to another level. I don't go get the beautiful knife or the pots and pans and all the stuff that goes along with cooking. My interest level is surface. Rarely does it go underneath the surface.


You know what I really got into out here is cooking over wood, like live, like actual hardwood, not just lump charcoal, like getting wood and using an offset smoker and slowly searing the steaks or slowly cooking the steaks, rather, and then searing them at the end over the coals. I take the coals and I put the coals from the hardwood on underneath the grill and then sear the shit out of it.


Okay, I hear that. I hear that. Yeah. And my brain is going to explode. Too much?


Too much. But we're all different, Sebastian.


No, I know we're all different, but Do you know the wood that is- Yes.


You want oak, generally. A live oak, or if you want to grill hotter, a lot of guys like mesquite. I like mesquite and oak. Those are my two favorite, but I'll try cherry. I'll try some different woods, some places you can go to get hardwood, because there's so much barbecue out here. There's companies that'll just deliver cords of wood to your house.


Okay, speaking of wood, I got a pizza oven. My goal is to make pizza. It's not as easy as people might think to make pizza from scratch, the dough and the whole thing. It's very hard. I've tried multiple times. Again, I'm a guy that I'll try it again and hope for a different result, but I'll do the same thing I did before. Just hoping magically, Oh, it's going to come out. My pizza don't even look like pizza. It looks like the shapes are unrecognizable. I can't even get a circle on the damn thing. I work it out. It's not pliable enough. When I put it in there, half of the cheese flies off into the stove. I bring it It's a mess.


Why don't you get pre-made dough?


You can get pre-made pizza. I tried the pre-made dough, Joe. For whatever the reason, I cannot get a circle with the thing. I try this.


I bet if you went to a real Italian pizzeria, they would show you how to do it.


Again, Joe, listen, you teach me something, I come home, I forget half of the shit I learned. I don't have any retention or comprehension on anything.


Has this always been the case? It's always been the case. But not with comedy.


That That's interesting.


The one thing that you're successful at, super successful at, you've focused entirely on that.


I got no more focus.


The focus I have is for comedy.


After that, the focus wanes because I feel like I just don't have the focus.


That's probably a good way to live. Yeah, just be casual most of your life and be intense about one thing. That sounds like a good balance. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.


Well, I would like to learn more things. Even when you got kids now, you could teach your kids how to do the archery. You got the whole archery thing. Hunting. You know how to hunt, right? I'm trying to figure out what am I passing on to my kids as far as skill sets is a concern.


Probably talking shit.




Talking shit. They're probably good at talking shit. My kids are really good at talking shit. They say some funny things, man. It's fun. We have a fun house. It's a lot of fun shit talking.


That That's always good.


Then they make fun of me, too, which is fun. I could never make fun of my parents. There was none of that growing up. They would fucking yell at you.


We had that relationship with my parents.


Yeah, you can't be.


Italian parents No, we did.


Oh, you had a relationship joking around?


Yeah, just scoofing around.


My parents were not like that.


No, they didn't.


There was not a lot of joking around. No. I love joking around. They make it fun of me all the time. It's hilarious. Your daughters? Yeah, they're funny. They talk shit. They know that I like it. They know that I laugh. So everyone's like, We have a good time. They talk shit to each other. They talk shit to their friends. Talking shit is fun. It's a fun activity. It's one of the My favorite things about a green room at a comedy club is that everybody's talking shit. You go back there, everybody's busting balls, cracking on people, guys and girls. Everyone's laughing. We're all just shit on each other. It's hilarious. It's such a beautiful environment, like a green room of a comedy club where you're around a bunch of good people and everyone's laughing. We're all jazzed up because we're about to do shows. I wish you were in last night. I wanted to take you to the club.


Yeah, I wish I would have came to the club.


It's so much fun, man. It's such a great spot.


But here's my thing with that. Here's my take on the green room. I generally tend to retreat and just listen to everything that's going on when comedians get together. I'm never the guy, center of attention or contributing to the fun. I've always been the guy that just comes in quiet and listen because I don't know a lot of the comedians intimately enough to have that comfortable. If I walk into a room, here, I just did the show with Seinfeld, Nate Bargazzi, and Jim Gaffigan, and we are all backstage. I tend to be the one who's... I listen, and I chime in every now and again. I don't have to be the guy that comes in and pisses on the room.


That's actually good. That's a good trait. Also, when you're around those guys, Hey, what a great time to sit back and listen. You got Seinfeld, Nate Bargazzi, and Jim Gaffigan in a room together. Look at that.


Yeah, so we had a great time, but I'm just- When did...


That's crazy.


When did what?


I was going to say, look at you. You look like an Arab. It doesn't even look like you. When did you turn into a guy from Palestine?


I don't know.


What is that photo?


Two weeks ago.


What did someone do? Two weeks ago. Someone put a filter on you. That does not look like you. Am I right, Jamie? I think it's dark. No, dark. The guy, he came off a yacht. There's no other way. Look, let's take a guy in the Mediterranean that shows you had to get an octopus. What's that?


I got Mediterranean blood.


I know, but you don't even look like you. In that photo, you look handsome. Don't get me wrong, you look great, but you don't look like you.


No, you know what it is? Everybody else is white. That's what it is. Super white. When you're next to Jim Gaff again, right? Right. Of course, you're going to look like you're delivering fish.


That's the filter because he looks… There's a balance there. He looks like a normal color in that, which is wrong. Yeah, look at Darko. Well, that at least looks like you. That other photo Did not look like you.


Maybe it was the lighting, Joe. But that's me. I was there.


I believe you. I 100% believe you. I'm just saying that… Go to that last photo, Jamie. I'm not lying. Go to that last photo. Get the fuck out of here. That ain't you. That's some dude that works for the Saudi Arabian government. He came over here to make some a deal to try to get comedy to come over to the Middle East. I know a lot of guys do comedy in the Middle East. They give you a list of shit you can't talk about.


I did it in '08. I went with a bunch of comedians.


That scares me. A list of shit you can't talk about? What if I slip up? What if there's a moment in the crowd where someone yelled something out, and I think it would be funny to say something. And whoopsies. Yeah, there's a lot of editing. Now you're in jail. Yeah. Who had a problem with that? Who was it? Someone actually went to one of those Middle East countries and did a gig and almost got arrested. It was Eddie Ifft. Yeah. The only thing that saved him, I believe the story was, I believe it's Eddie. I think the only thing that saved him is some of the royal family thought he was hilarious. They didn't have a problem with what he said at all. I think he called someone Sir. When you're not supposed to call him, Sir. You're supposed to call him your highness or your excellency. And he was referring to people in the audience and talking to them and calling them, Sir. Then they were trying to arrest him afterwards. Jeez. Yeah. Yo. Sir is not good enough?


That's not I thought it was something sexual.


No, it wasn't even anything. That's why I'm nervous. That's not even anything crazy. That's nothing.


But your brand of humor, did you take that and did you ever do corporates? No. That wasn't your style? No.


Everybody that I've ever known that's done a corporate, after they do them, they go, Why did I do that? Ron White just did one. He was like, This is the worst fucking experience in my life. But they offer me a shit load of money. I said, Yes. I kept saying no, but they kept coming up with higher numbers. And eventually I said, Yes. And it was fucking terrible. Tony Hantscliff just did one. He said it was fucking terrible. They're always terrible. You like them?


Joe, I got to be honest. You like them? I don't mind the corporate. Really? I really don't mind a corporate? Yeah, you have had those awful corporate gigs where-What percentage of them were...


I just ran into Sandler. He told me he ate dick at a corporate gig. Adam Sandler. Yeah, they're not- They paid to see Adam Sandler. They knew Adam Sandler was going to be there, and it still sucked.


It's the environment sometimes. It's like you're walking into whatever. They just had their breakout meeting, and then they're coming, and it's, Oh, it's comedy. But it's just a different vibe.


They're all scamming about their careers. They're all networking, and they're fucking making their little backstabby moves.


But you call them out on that. You do material about what they're going through during the three-day sales meeting at the Venetian. Right. So you relate to... I I actually don't mind them as much as other comedians, corporate. I actually don't mind them.


Jay Leno loves them. I mean, that's where he's made the majority of his money. Jay Leno, all those fucking cars he has, Never spent a dime of his Tonight Show money. I know. Never spent a dime. Puts it all in the bank. It's amazing. All that money, all those cars, it's all him doing gigs.


Well, here, you didn't grow up with money, right? No. Now you're super You got this money. Was there someone that taught you how to manage money or how to look at money in a way where you're like, Okay, I have a good grasp on this. Yeah, I mean, money manager, what have you. But I'm just talking your relationship with money. Is it like, Yeah, we're here, live it up, spend it? Or is it more like, Do you ever think this is not going to be the most popular podcast ever? Or do you even think that way.


I don't think that way. I never thought it would be popular in the first place. When I first started doing it, there was just me and Brian Redband in my fucking living room. Then comedians, Joey Diaz come over, Eddie Bravo comes over, Ari comes over. We're just having fun, just talking shit. I never imagined. I didn't plan for it. When everybody has those vision boards, this is how you become successful, you have to manifest it. I didn't manifest this at all. Zero. The most successful thing I've ever done by a long shot, and I've put zero management into it. All I've done is just keep doing what I enjoy doing, and it turns out other people enjoy it, too. That's it. It's just talk to people like yourself, talk to funny people, talk to interesting people, talk to people I agree with, talk to people I disagree with. Have civil conversations with people where you disagree with things. It's good for you, too. All I do is just do what I enjoy doing. If I could do this for free, I would still do it. I enjoy it.


So you do this podcast? Yeah. You have no aspirations of this being the hugest thing ever, right?


I don't even have any aspirations for growth. I don't say, By this time next year, I'd like to have... No.


You just focus on-What I'm doing.


Yeah. Output. I feel like everything else is a distraction. As long as you're making enough money. Brian Count said something once, and I never forgot it. He said, and we were kids, we were in our 20s. He said, The only amount of money you need is so that you can go to a restaurant and not care what things cost. Everything else is bullshit. If you got enough money, we can go to a restaurant. You don't worry. Just order a bottle of wine, order meat, whatever you want to eat. You don't think about the price. He goes, That's real freedom. Because everything else, all that other shit. You forget. That's all just becomes complicated. You don't need that. Which is just real freedom is the freedom to not worry about your bills. That's the real... I experienced that leap, that jump, when I I got a development deal. So I was like, I guess I was 25, 26 maybe, 25. And I got this development deal from Disney, and it was $150,000, and I couldn't believe it. I had $150,000. This is nuts. And I felt like a physical weight lift over my shoulders. Because back then, I was a road comic.


You do a gig on Thursday, it's 200 bucks. You do a gig here, it's 150. You're scraping together enough money so that you could pay your bills and eat. And you were always worried about gigs, always trying to film my book, always trying to call booking agents, drive to Connecticut, drive to Jersey. Where do I got to go to make some money? And it was all just trying to stay alive and try to make it, right? Trying to become like a... I didn't really think I was a legit professional comedian. It could all go away. And so I got that development deal, and it was the nuttiest feeling in the world. It was like I felt lighter. Alex I felt lighter. And then I was like, Oh, that's the key. Get the monkey off your back. Get the bill monkey off your back. And that's the real freedom. The real freedom is not being rich. You don't feel any different being really rich other than the stuff that you can do. But the way you feel in the day is the same way you feel if your bills are paid. That's what you want. All that other shit is like...


The other thing I noticed when I moved to California, it was the first time I had a nice apartment, and I'll never forget this either. I was sitting in my apartment, and it was a beautiful place in North Hollywood. I had a loft, had a pool table in my apartment. I was like, This is amazing. How is this real? How's this mine? After a while, it just became my house. And then I realized, Oh, this is the same feeling I have when I'm home that I had in my shitty apartment in New York. It's the same feeling. It's like, Oh, this is home. It's the same feeling. It's not better. It's not worth the amount of money that it cost if you're renting a house that's way over your budget and you're doing Uber just to try to pay your bills. It's not worth that. What's worth it is if it's comfortable. If you have a TV and you have a nice bed and you can cook your meals, you're good. That's what you need. That's all you need. Everything else is just the amount of effort that you have to put in to make the amount of money to get all these other things, leaves you in this constant state of anxiety.


I think people just get lost in this idea of I'm constantly making more and getting more and chasing more. I just concentrate on what I do. That's all I concentrate on. I concentrate on work, I concentrate on comedy, I concentrate on UFC fights, I concentrate on podcasts. I don't I don't think about those other things. I don't think about the direction of my career at all.


No, that's a great way to look at things because the only thing you really have control of is-What you do.


What you do. What you put out.


So you being a pioneer in the podcast world, right? You and Mark Maron, I feel like we're Adam Curry was the first.


Adam Curry was the original. The MTV VJ. He still got a podcast now. He's excellent. He's a good friend of mine, and he's the number one guy. He's the podfather. Okay, he's the podfather. He named it. They started it off together. Yeah, they started doing it years before I ever did it. Yeah, Mark had his a little bit before mine. Adam Carola was the first because Adam did it of radio. Adam had that radio gig where he took over Howard Stern's Slots when Howard Stern went over to Serious. Remember that? So he had this morning's show, and that morning's show was doing real well until... Do you remember they used to have a talk radio station in LA? Before podcast, it was Tom Likas was on there. It was a bunch of good shows. That also made me think about doing podcast, too. I didn't know that a podcast was ever going to be a thing, but I was like, This is a talk radio station station now. Talk radio got so big, mostly because of Howard, I think. But there was a whole station where you could listen to this station. It was all talk radio all day long.


There was a science guy on there late night. I forgot what the hell his name was. But yeah, you're right. There was a station that had all these cool talk formats. And what I'm saying is, for me, I'm not so versed on the history of podcasting, but for me, I just remember you as being one of the first guys.


Yeah, we were one of the first.


Okay, so now you're here. When you look at the landscape of podcasting, from when you started to where it is now, do you go, Wow, this is amazing that all these people are doing it. Could anybody do this? It feels like everybody has a podcast. I feel like there's a specific skill set to podcasting. Do you look at what you did early on and what you're doing now and go, wow, look at the growth.


It's definitely a lot better. Yeah, I'm definitely better at talking to people. Yeah, it's his skill. You learn it. It makes you a better conversationalist in the real world, for sure. It makes you more considerate.


It's like comedy, right? It's like you weren't the podcaster you were.


How long have you been doing this? This podcast is like 15 years. 15 years. Somewhere around there? Closing it on 15 years? Yeah.


So it took 15 years to get it, too. Obviously, you've been successful for longer.


But Yeah, it took a long ass time.


It took a long ass time. I think nowadays, it's just there's an amount of time you got to put into something in order for it to be a gem.




But even just the entertainment landscape, as I look at it, has entertainment changed where now we're looking at the phone and we're looking at somebody do something crazy at their house? There's a guy I've been watching this His name is Insane. He's catching eggs in his mouth, right? Do you see this guy? Insane. No. Insane. I forget the name of his... Insane Shane.


This guy... He catches eggs from how far away?


Fifty yards. They're throwing eggs in this guy's mouth. He's got the best mouth on the internet, right?


Does he break the eggs or does he catch them and not have them break? No, they're like hard...


Hard boys. Hard boys. Or a meatball. Oh. This guy's chucking meatballs.


And he's catching them in his mouth? Fifty yards.


That's a skill. I'm watching it and I can't... Yeah, this is...


This is okay. The Marshmallow Combine. He's not catching all of them. No, He's catching them and spitting them out. Oh, my God. That's insane. One of these guys throw at 50... Who throws a marshmallow at 50 yards?


I think they're ex football players or the guys that are throwing. That's a guy doing routes, catching marshmallows in his mouth.


This is crazy. People are trying to block him. That's crazy. He's catching the marshmallows. That's amazing.


That's a skill. I'm watching this now. This is entertainment. Right now.


Okay, he's got a million followers. Insane Shane, one. S-h-a-y-e.


He's diving off speedboats catching him in his mouth. I mean, look at this guy.


Who would have ever thought that that would be a thing? Oh, he dives into a boat.


This is a real football. He's catching real football. Has entertainment in your eyes changed where it's changing, where this is now what people are watching instead of maybe a movie or a TV show?


Well, it's definitely consuming a lot of your time. If you look at your screen time, if you look at my screen time on my phone, on an average day, it'll be more than four hours. How much of that is doomscrolling? A lot. That's entertainment. Would I Have you been watching television during that time? No, probably not, because you could take your entertainment with you now, which is even more distracting.


Yeah, but you're not watching. You said you did an hour of Instagram. You're not watching a movie or a documentary.


Sometimes I am. I spend a lot of time doing that, too.


But I do that in certain places. I'll watch a documentary on an airplane or I'll watch something at home. But I generally don't take my phone and I'm walking around the house watching documentaries, right?


You would sit down.


You would sit down and enjoy that. But this is something that I would probably, if I was on my phone from the kitchen to the bedroom, I'm watching a guy catch marshmallows. My question to you is, if the internet or social media wasn't around, do you think that guy would be around?


No, he wouldn't be doing that.


But do you think this was existing 30 years ago where somebody was chucking marshmallows and catching them just for fun and we didn't see it?


There's probably a guy in the neighborhood that could do it and everybody would come over and watch Bob catch marshmallows with his face. Yeah, I'm sure. But it just never would have been the discipline that it is now where this guy's got like fucking guys blocking him, and he's juking left and right, and catching marshmallows in the air with his mouth. It's pretty impressive stuff.


So do you think the social media and internet spawns this type of stuff?


100%. Yeah, 100%. It is a new form. That's another thing you could say about podcasting, too, because before podcasting, no one thought that the time when you're driving or the time when you're at the gym is time that you could be entertained by something other than music, right? Most of the time, unless you're listening to talk radio, of course. But now the podcast thing is like, you could pause it at any time, you could start at any time. So if it's an interesting podcast and you got a two-hour road trip, now you're occupied. Now the road trip is easy because now You're driving, but now you're listening to some funny fucking shit, and Joey Dias is telling stories, and it's great. I mean, so this area of entertainment wasn't available. It wasn't being utilized before. And so what podcasts are really good for is it allows you to be entertained and occupied while you're doing other shit. I don't think most people who consume podcasts just sit there and listen or sit there and watch. I think a lot of times, maybe you're cooking, and while you're cooking, you got your ear buds in, you're listening to a podcast, or while you're driving or while you're on the fucking treadmill and you're bored, you get to listen to some interesting shit.


I get a lot of messages from my friends that will tell me, Oh, I was at the gym and I was listening to Shane. It was hilarious. You guys were killing me. That stuff is, or, Hey, there's this guy with that power plant, Egyptian pyramid guy. You believe that? What do you think about that? I was in the gym. It was freaking me out. So it gives you this opportunity for entertainment that didn't exist before. It's not completely useless. It's scrolling for stuff, the guy catching marshmallows in his mouth. I'm not getting anything out of that. It's fun. It's interesting. It's useless. But podcasts are not. You do get to sit in on interesting conversations. You get to consider ideas that maybe you never considered before. So it wasn't available before. And because of phones and because it's so easy to get a podcast, everybody has access to them.


Do you listen to a podcast?


Yeah, all the time.


Are you going to them for a comedy or more informational podcast? What's your forte?


I listen to a lot of different podcasts. I listen to podcasts that are comedy podcasts. I listen to history podcasts. I listen to a podcast about science. I listen to podcasts about pretty much everything, hunting podcast, which are very valuable. Hunting, it seems easy. The idea seems easy to people. It's not. It's really hard. And there's a lot of things that people learn along the way in their journey of hunting and they'll explain it to you. And so if you encounter that, I'll say, Oh, Remi Warren said, When you do this, be careful of that. Now that's in my head. So it's a way that you can accumulate information.


I listen to this Huberman.


Yeah, he's great.


And half of the stuff goes over my head.


He's hard. Even when I do a podcast with him, I have to make notes. I make notes, then I ask him afterwards. But he's very fact base, and he's a great guy, too.


I have to ask you this, talking about Huberman, and you've interviewed him. Do you ever have somebody come on this show where you're nervous to have him? Oh, man.


Oh, yeah, definitely.


Who are you nervous to interview?


Roger Penrose, a Nobel Prize winner. He's just a brilliant mind and older. So I'm like, How is this conversation going to go? How do I engage him? I don't want him to feel like he's wasting his time here. So I want to be prepared of good questions. I don't know how much of an experience those guys have on podcast or how much of an experience they have at all with comedians. I don't want to fuck around too much. I just want to just get the most out of him that I can get. I just I'm going to try to massage his wheels and ask the right questions and be curious about all the right things and be informed enough to know what the right questions are and what I'm actually... And also, I'm very fascinated by his research. It's like having an opportunity to talk to such a brilliant person. Because he's done a lot of research in the Big Bang. He's got a very interesting thought about the Big Bang that he doesn't think the Big Bang was the beginning of the universe. And that's something that a lot of physicists are considering now.


It's very fascinating stuff, the idea that the universe is eternal or much older than we think it is.


Yeah, that's crazy. You got to be a chameleon. You got so many different people coming in here, from comedy to doctors to what have you. And you got to adjust.


You do have to adjust, yeah.


To every different personality. It's just an art form.


But it makes you more flexible as a person, too. It can have conversations with all kinds of people.




It's better. I like it. It's a lot better than the way I used to think before I started the podcast. In 2009, I was very close-minded. I just was doing it just for fun. I mean, I was open-minded generally, but not like I am now. I wasn't aware of what I thought and what my biases are why I think of things in certain ways instead of considering them from a broader perspective. But when you do a podcast, you're forced to do that because there's a lot of times, even if I agree with someone about something, I have to take the position of someone who's skeptical and ask them a question like, But what about this? So instead of just confirming them and us existing in an echo chamber, I'll try to offer consideration. Okay, but someone could think of it this way. Do you think of it this way ever? Have you ever tried to think of it this way? And just see how their brain works. Because everybody's brain is different. You have children. And one of the things you find out when you have children is, Bro, right out of the box, they're different people.


They are different people. It's fascinating because you meet a kid and he's four. You're like, look at that smart kid. What an interesting kid. But you didn't get to see that kid with his brother and his sister and all of them coming out of the same woman and going, this is all from the same father. This is nuts. They're totally different things. They have different personalities, different likes, different strengths. It's really interesting.


Yeah, it's crazy to see. I mean, my daughter and my son, the differences between them. And you don't really notice it or don't really pay attention to it until you have kids of your own and you actually see it going, wow, this one's outgoing, this one's shy, this one likes piano, this one likes T-ball. Even me and my sister, you have brothers and sisters? Yeah. My sister and I, although very similar, also very different. It's really crazy as a parent to... Also, you want to give them structure. You want to give them the best things you grew up with from your parents and then give them to your kids as well. But you also want to see them flourish in their own personality. So the parenting thing is I take it extremely serious. I want to be there for my kids. I don't want to work so much where even coming to Austin, Texas, for podcasts or going to Dallas for a show.


Yeah, you have to think about that.


I would be like, Book it. Just get it. Just book it. And now it's more like, Hey, are we coming to this run? Are you guys going to come to New York? That helps a lot.


That helps me a lot. If I could take my family with me. I take them with me a lot of times on Vegas UFC trips, too.


It's nice. Yeah, it's nice, especially now that the kids are getting older, that they could travel more.


Also, Vegas is a fun place to do stuff. There's other stuff we could do before the fights. I don't know if you ever done escape rooms. You ever do escape rooms? No? Escape rooms are fun.


They're fun. I'm claustrophobic. And this just happened to me recently.


Don't get in that tank then. Don't get in that sensory deprivation tank.


I don't know if I could do that. It happened to me on an airplane. Oh, no. Sitting I got the window seat. It just overcame me. I got to get out of here. Oh, no. And ever since then, I have to have an aisle seat if I go to a theater and watch a show. I can't be confined.


This came out of nowhere?


Out of nowhere, on an airplane. Wow.


I had to go in the back for two hours and hang out with the flight attendants and stand the rest of the time. Did you tell them what was going on?


Yeah, I said, Listen, I'm freaking out. I'm crawling out of my skin. I'm sitting next to two people. I feel like I'm trapped. I can't get out. I'm very anxious now. If I get on an airplane... Here's one. Okay. Get on an I hate to do this, but there's a family, and the father's like, Do you mind changing seats so my daughter could sit next to me? I said, Where's the seat? And he's like, It's the window seat. I go, I can't go over there because I'm claustrophobic. Of course, he was looking at me like I was making it up because I would have. Somebody told me that, I'm like, This fucking asshole won't let me sit with my daughter? But it's so bad I'm fed where I can't sit at the window.


Well, he could always ask somebody else. He could just ask someone else. Yeah, but- But you were by yourself.


I feel like I let him down.


Yeah, I'm sure you did.


I'm never that guy. I'm always very cooperative.


Live, whatever we need. Yeah, me too. I always move seats. I'm always worried about other people freaking out. There was a video that just went viral recently of some guy saying he was going to take the plane down. This guy stood up in the middle. You see that guy, Jamie? I've seen a few, I don't know. There's a few lately. That's what I always worry about. I I worry about someone freaking out. I worry about another person that you're going to have to deal with.


I feel, though, if somebody is freaking out.


I think he stabbed people. Didn't he stab someone? He had a little knife on him, and he stabbed a couple of people. Yeah, he was saying that he was going to take everybody out. Oh, God.


I feel. If you're on an airplane and that's happening, you would be one of these guys that would handle it, right?


Yeah. The problem with handling it is you're probably going to get sued, and you might even get arrested. It depends on how much damage you do. You could permanently damage someone. People are very flippant about beating people up, but you could easily permanently damage someone.


No, believe me. I believe you can. I'm just saying you have, I think, that instinct. What's the problem? Where I have more of an instinct of, Is there a Joe Rogan on the plane? No.


I was on a plane once, and a lady asked me if I would help her because these two guys were fighting. One guy got in first, and he put his briefcase above this other guy's seat, and then he sat down. And the guy who was right behind him goes, No, that's my spot. That's my seat. That spot over here. He goes, No, it's not. It's first come, first serve. Put it somewhere else. It was open. I put it in there. And he goes, No, that belongs to my seat. And then they started getting belligerent with each other. It started getting to the point Oh, my God, are these kids going to fight in first class? And so then this fucking lady who is the flight attendant, she came in and told them both she was going to have them removed from the plane, sit down and shut up. And then she came to me and she goes, If anything goes down, you're going to help me, right? I was like, What do you want me to do? Because if I'm going to help you, it's going to get real messy. Are you going to say that you said it was okay for me to do that to that guy?


I'm not going to play nice. If you're on a plane and you've got to take someone out, you have a very short amount of movement, it's got to be very violent. You got to debilitate them. You got to take them apart right there. You can't hope that you can hold on to them and then they relax. Then what? You go back to your seat? You got to put them out. You got to risk. You got to risk.


As you're talking to me, I feel like you're going through a bunch of different moves of what you could possibly do.


It's got to be violent. If you got a guy like that with a knife, you're not going to go grabbing that guy. You're not just grabbing that guy and bringing him to the ground and holding him down. You're going to beat his fucking brains in. You're going to stop his body from moving because otherwise, it's dangerous. You're in a position where you're being forced to use violence against some irrational possibly, schizophrenic. Who knows what the fuck is going on with this guy. He could kill everybody. Pastor stabs fellow traveler with weapon of pens and rubber bands on Seattle to Vegas flight.


Okay, so what's going on?


He fashioned a handmade weapon before launching an unprovoked attack against a man seated across the aisle. Yeah.


Flying. Flying used to be-Look at his pen.


So he developed, made a weapon out of his pens. He tied all his pens together and held onto them. Wow. He said, I planned on attacking and killing him, the defendant stated. Jesus Christ. Defendant felt the Mafia had been chasing him in the last few months. Yeah. So you go. So he's a schizophrenic, and they don't have fucking scans for that when they bring them in. During the interview, the defendant admitted to the FBI agent that he was trying to stab CR in the eye to reach CR's brain to kill him. Okay. And said he was protecting his seven-year-old son. That's awesome. The victim's wife was also hurt in the attack because she was shielding the couple's seven-year-old son. Jesus Christ, man. So this guy just decided that this guy was in the Mafia that was coming after him, and he snaps and he wants to kill him.


What's going on on airplanes? Why is there all this violence now on airplanes?


First of all, there's a lack of respect for authority that came with the whole defund the police thing. There's like people are more belligerent towards authority. So you have that. And then you have the general heightened level of anxiety of the population post-COVID went up substantially. Covid fucked a lot of people's lives up. We got lucky. We were very fortunate. We make money. We were able to make money during the pandemic. We had enough money to be, okay, a lot of people, that's not the case. So many people lost their businesses. So many people lost their livelihoods. So many people have a deep distrust for the government and the world now. And then there's this thing where people are being coddled for being mentally ill, where you're almost like having a mental illness is something you can talk about. It makes you interesting. I think people encourage mental illness. They encourage breakdowns, and they do it all the time in the real world. And so they think they could do it on fucking planes. And then you got genuinely mentally ill people who are just out of their fucking minds who really shouldn't be out there in the world.


And they think the Mafia is after them, and they're making a fucking handmade shank while they're sitting in 16A. The whole thing's nuts. I think people are just much more on edge right now than they've ever been before. I think a lot of it is a function of mainstream media. You're being fed every day. The worst shit that's happening in the world? Gaza, Ukraine, the fucking oceans boiling. Oh, my God, what is happening? Putin's doing this, and Xi Jinping is in control of that, and the fucking border open. Fentanyl. It's just like everyone's on edge. So you get all those people and you stick them in a fucking tube, and then you fly them through the air where there's no authority figure on that plane. There's these women, these poor women or men or whoever they are that's flight attendants, that have to fucking deal with these people. And most of them are just regular people. They do have those guys that hide undercover that are on planes occasionally. What do they call those guys? Yeah. What do they call them? Air marshals. Air marshals. I think they stopped doing that. They stopped doing that?


Oh, great.


Of course, they did. All the security, right? To go to the airport. All the security to get on the plane. Once you're on the plane, no security. They got security guy walking around Whole Foods making sure you don't steal an apple. Yet you're 35,000 feet up and what? The flight attendant is going to subdue a guy with pens? Exactly.


And who's going to get hurt along the way? What if he did stab that guy in the eye? Jesus Christ. Even Mike Tyson got in a fucking fight on a plane. Some guy kept fucking with him. He turned around and beat the shit out of the guy. And now Mike's getting sued.


I saw that.


Yeah. That guy should go. They should ship that guy somewhere where it's terrible. You got to live here now.


What's your take on this Tyson thing?


I go back and forth. I don't generally like the idea of 58-year-old men fighting. It It seems crazy risky at this point in your life. You're definitely going to be slower. You're definitely going to be... Your reflex is going to be slower. You can't take shots as much. But I don't think that a 50-year-old man today or a 58-year-old man today is the same thing as what we thought of as a 58-year-old man when we were kids because of hormone replacement. So because of nutrition, hormone replacement, science of recovery. And they've got Mike Tyson doing everything. He's doing all kinds of things. He's not a regular 57-year-old guy. And then you see him hit the paths, and you go, Jesus Christ, man. I mean, this is a terrifying human being. I mean, he's still fucking terrifying, hitting the bag, hitting the pads. He still has the ability to deliver those punches. And if any one of those hits anybody, they're fucked. You're fucked. It's not like his punches are 30% of what they used to be. They're like 80 to 90% of what they used to be. Somewhere in that range, it's probably a little slower than he used to be.


He used to be insanely fast. There's a video of Tyson hitting the bag as a 19-year-old, and he's throwing these combinations like, and he's 210 pounds, 215 pounds, throwing combinations like Sugar A Leonard. It's insane to watch. He was so fast, and that was a big factor in his success. He does not have that speed anymore. But he's still fast. He's not slow.


Joe, we're watching a 58-year-old man. Crazy. Now, 34 years ago, I looked at a… I was watching the We Are the World documentary, and I'm looking at the people. Kenny Rogers is in that. I'm going, I'm probably 60 years old here. I look like he's 47. He's 47 years old in the We Are the World. The aging process has, I mean, there was no way 58 years.


Yeah. This guy's 47. That's crazy.


You're younger than I am.


That's crazy. He looks like- He looks like- He's 10 years younger than me in that video. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah, the 58-year-old man now- Look at your young ass Billy Joel.


Tina Turner. Willy Nelson looked young. Damn.


How old is Billy Nelson there?


He's 100 in this video.




How old is He's 90 now.


I know how old he is. He's in his 90s.


I looked him up.


52 years old in that video.


Is he really? Yeah.


It's amazing. So you're right. 58 years old is-It's very different. Different. What was Foreman when he came back?


45 when he won the title. He was 33 I think he was 33 or 36 when he was coming back and everyone was mocking him. And then he beat Michael Moore when he was 45 years old. He's the oldest man to ever win the heavyweight title. And that was before hormone replacement.


That's what I'm saying. I think Tyson is a 45-year-old foreman, no?


Yeah, it's similar. I mean, Foreman wasn't as fast even back then as Tyson is now. Tyson is still faster, but he's smaller, too. George is a very big man. George has enormous... He has hands that are like this size. His fist is like the size of a cigar box. They're fucking giant fist, which is a big factor in punching power. This was George at 45 years old. Michael Moore, who was a sensational light heavyweight, was undersized as a heavyweight. As a light heavyweight, he was a fucking assassin. But George caught him with a one, two and put him out at 45 years in a fight, he was losing. Michael Moore was out boxing him.


But here, even at 45, he don't look at him.




He don't look like no Tyson at 58, though, right?


No, he was much slower. But George was always slow. He just has thunderous power. He was never a real fast guy like Ali or any of those other guys. He was just thunderous, He had this ridiculous power. George was just terrifying.


I don't know the ins and outs of boxing, but is this Logan Paul? Is he a legitimate boxer?


A legitimate boxer, yes. People mocked me when I was saying that before, but now I think people are coming around. And the way I look at it, I say if this kid was not a YouTuber, if he wasn't some guy that you knew from the time he was 16 years old on YouTube, and you just saw him box, and you saw him knock out former UFC champions, you saw him beat legitimate boxers or beat athletes and beat a bunch of MMA fighters, you'd go, this kid can fucking fight. He knows how to fight. Nothing he's doing looks wrong. He's not sticking his head straight up in the air and wing and punches with his eyes closed. He's fighting well. He looks good. And if he was just an up and coming boxer that was this exciting, highly promotable, really good at selling fights, he'd be like, This kid's the future. He's really something special. The fact that he's willing to fight Tyson, even if Tyson's 57, just the fact that he's willing to actually take a chance at Mike Tyson not being able to do what he used to do because that's what he's doing.


The gamble is, there's not a fucking chance in hell that Jake Paul would survive against the Mike Tyson that beat Marvis Fraser. You ever watched that fight? Yeah. That's my favorite Mike Tyson fight, because that was Mike Tyson before he won the title. It was ABC Wide World of Sports, and Joe Frazier had been talking shit about Tyson, that he was in his prime, he'd beat Tyson. And so he had his son fight Tyson, and it was an execution. It was an execution.


Is that the one in Atlantic City where it lasted one round?


One round. Let's watch it because it's one of my favorite fights to watch Tyson. Because it's Tyson in his prime where he was fucking terrifying. He was so fast, and he would do angles, and he was bobbing and weaving. You couldn't hit him, and he was just coming at you. And he was young. He was 20 years old at the time. He couldn't be stopped. No one had the solution. I submit that that, Mike Tyson, the Mike Tyson that won the title against Trevor Burbick, the Mike Tyson that beat Larry Holmes. I think that Mike Tyson is the best heavyweight of all time. I don't think anybody fucks with him. It just he didn't maintain that form, and he wound up losing to Buster Douglas. I look at fighters when they're in their absolute prime. What have you ever seen that was better than this? With Mike Tyson, I've never seen anybody better. I've never seen any fighter, even Ali in his prime, even Ali when he was cashless clay, I never saw anybody who looked like Mike Tyson in his prime. I think you can't maintain the focus that was required to be this guy.


Marvis looks fucking terrified, and he should be because he knows. I mean, Marvis was a good fighter. Marvis was a good fighter, but this is just a terrifying mismatch. If I was a Vegas oddsmaker, I would put this at a million to one. I'm like, he has to break his leg. He has to fall down and twist an ankle. Otherwise, so Tyson was 20 and Frazier was 25.


Do you think this is the last we see of a guy like a Tyson? Is there another Tyson out there?


Or is it- They can always emerge. The combat sports always... So this is the beginning of the fight. Look, he's just moving forward. And Frazier is just trying to just bob and weave and find his openings. But Mike never gives you any time, man. He never gives you any time. He's always right in front of you, and he's just measuring you. And it's just a matter of time before he catches you, and here it is. Bing. Look at this. Oh, wow.


Oh, wow.


Bro, he just puts him away. Just puts him away. It's an execution. It was just a matter of Mike Tyson closing the distance. This Mike Tyson, as fast as he was, as hard as he hits, I maintain he's the greatest. The greatest heavyweight ever. That Mike Tyson, those fights were, you wanted to see executions. You didn't think anybody was going to beat him. Everybody he fought looked like they were about to die when they were in that range.


I don't think we see this again, Joe.


You never know. It can happen. Jake Paul is a favorite. He's a favorite. Yeah. Well, he's 27 years old, and he's a really good boxer. He's a very good boxer. He's a legitimate professional boxer. He fought Tommy Fury, who's also a legitimate professional boxer, a real good one. He's Tyson Fury's younger brother, and he lost a close decision. But it was a good fight, a real good fight against a good fighter. He can fight. But if Mike Tyson from Marvis Fraser fought Jake Paul, Jake Paul's dead. He's dead. He's not going to make it. So So you have to say, how much has Mike Tyson lost from that 20-year-old guy in the 37 years since then, which is crazy. It'll be 38 by the time they fight. He'll have turned 58 by the time they actually fight.


Yeah, but that's the best it gets, right?


The best it gets.


The best it gets. For 37 years, you got to feel like he's lost some.


He hasn't lost everything. If you see him hit those pads, he has not lost everything.


But he's lost some. But coming from the best, he's now maybe just normal, right?


He's still not normal, but he's still like a professional heavyweight boxer. He's still terrifying.


No, I'm not saying he's not, but I'm just saying even coming off the best, I still think he wins.


Coming off- It's hard to say because you never bet against a 27-year-old fighting a 58-year-old.


What I have in my brain and I can't get out is that. You know what I'm saying?


It's also his mind. Mike Tyson's mind has switched over into war. He was doing this interview, and someone said to him, he goes, You look like you're in your 20s. What are you doing? He goes, I just eat raw meat. Because I eat raw meat. He goes, You're eating raw meat? He goes, Yeah, I'm eating raw meat. He goes, Because that's what I'm going to eat when I fight. I'm going to eat him. It's raw meat. I was like, Jesus Christ. He said, This fucking He's in that God of war mode. He still got that in him. I'm telling you, if you keep giving that guy hormones and you keep giving that guy supplements and he's constantly training his. Look at this. What are you eating? Raw meat. Seriously, Mike, you're eating raw meat? Are you swallowing it? Remember, you used to spit that stuff out.


I might have to eat it now because my opponent is going to be raw meat.


That's right. Did you look like 20 years old?


Now, I saw the beginning of this interview where he had a shirt on, right? He was sweating so much.


He had to take the- He took his shirt off. They just put the microphone on his shoulder. Bro, he's in Savage Mode right now. He's in Savage Mode. If I was Jake Paul right now, I would be shitting my pants.


Bro, if I'm fighting this guy and he's eating raw meat, I call the fucking thing off.


It's all the experiences that he has had as a conqueror. You have to take those into consideration. When a man has smashed men before, just smashed men, like when no one can stand in front of him, that is in his mind still. That's in there. There's a dark chamber in his mind that he can open up. I think he's got it open. The question is, can his body move along with it? But that part of his mind, you're clearly seeing. He's terrifying when he's in the zone. I changed the shape of the table because of him. We had the table that was this size at the old studio. And the news studio, I was like, maybe we'll make the table smaller. It'll be more intimate. It'll be closer to the guests. So we had Mike Tyson in when he was 300 pounds, and he was just eating and having fun and smoking weed. He goes, I don't even work out. He goes, If I work out, it'll excite myself. It'll excite my ego. And then I don't like that person. So he just decided that he was just going to be chill, Mike Tyson. And then he got this offer to fight Roy Jones Jr.


So he gets in insane shape. And the next time I see him, the second podcast we do, Mike now weighs 230 pounds, and he's got these muscles in his forearms. So he's sitting there, and he's a different human. He's so intense that I was like, If this table was closer to him, I would be nervous. I wouldn't be able to do my best job as a podcaster. The reason why this table is this width is the second podcast I did with Mike Tyson. Even Jamie. When Jamie Mike left, Jamie's like, That's a different person. It's a totally different person, right? I was nervous the whole time. I was so glad I was close to the door. Hoping he went for you first. Bro, he was so intense. He was so intense. That was a fight with Roy Jones Jr, where he just decided to have one more Legends fight. Look at him. Dude, he's just-What the hell? What do you mean? He means you're getting excited. Roar me. Seriously, Mike. You got both things playing at the same time. Hold on a second. You had animosity towards, so when you finally get your hands on them.


Hey, what does it mean when fighting gets you erect? What does that mean? It's a good question. Gee.


It means you're getting excited. Yeah. So that's going through your mind right now?


Well, that's how I get when I was a kid. Sometimes I get the twinkle.


The twinkle? Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like you reached a state as a human being, as a champion, as a ferocious fighter. You reached a state of ability and of accomplishment that very few humans will-I don't know if you can hear him breathing. He's breathing.


It's like a lion.


When you're running, when you're hitting a bag, when that heart's beating again- Because I'm firing them up right now. You're Mike motherfucking Tyson. So when you're doing all this shit again, you're still Mike Tyson. Those thoughts have got to be burning inside you again. It's got to be pretty wild.


I don't know. It's wild, but I believe it's rightfully so to be that way. I don't think I master it, but I just know how to deal with it. I don't let it overwhelm me.


No. Of course not. It's a strange conversation to have because he was so focused and so intense. It was almost hard pulling conversation out of him.


At any time, did you I feel afraid.


I'm always afraid when I'm around that guy. Kevin Hart said it best. He goes, It's like being in a room with a lion. Jamie Fox's joke is like someone that a pip will let loose in the room. They don't know whose it is. Jamie's got to play him in a movie, which has got to be terrifying. Don't piss that guy off. I never talk like that. Oh, sorry. Sorry, sir. I'm curious. I'm going to watch the fight. We're all to watch the fight. I'm going to watch it. I mean, it's a brilliant move by Jake because if he was going to fight anybody else, people would watch. But with the same amount of people watch? No. No. This is the one. This is the one where the old heads are all sitting around going, Well, I can't wait till he gets a hold of Mike Tyson. Boy, he's going to regret that. All the old guys are pulling for him. Like, Come on, Mike. Come on. One more. You got one more in you.


Well, I think we see a different Mike Tyson than we did when he fought Roy Jones.


I think the Roy Jones fight, they made an agreement not to punch in the head. I'm pretty sure because I watched that fight carefully many times, and it never looked like he was targeting Roy's head, which makes sense why Roy agreed to do the fight. I think they probably made an agreement. It would be a real boxing match, but just don't knock me out. Because Roy is a smaller person, much smaller. Roy was at his very best when he was 168 pounds. Then when he was weighing a 175 pounds, he didn't even have to cut weight. He was playing. Roy famously played a basketball game, a full basketball game the day of his fight. Wow. Played a basketball game and then went and boxed the face off of somebody for 12 rounds. That's how good Roy was in his prime. But Roy was 168 pounds in his prime. He wasn't Mike Tyson's size. Mike Tyson is fucking enormous. He's just a different mass. He's the width The density, it's terrifying. If they're older guys, I could imagine them making an agreement because if you watch the highlights, Mike never punches him in the face. Even if they do punch each other in the face, it seems like it's just jabs and small punches.


It's almost like sparring shots. It's not like anybody's really winding up or really throwing everything at it.


This fight doesn't have that stipulation?


No, I do not believe that's the case. I think this fight is going to be a real full 100% fight. It's not even an exhibition. It counts on their professional record, so it's a professional fight. Okay. Yeah. Is it eight rounds? Eight two-minute rounds. Yeah. They made it two-minute rounds because Tyson's old. They were going to do 16-ounce Gloves are down to 14, I believe. Is that the case? I think they're 14-ounce gloves, which is not much bigger than a regular glove. Regular glove is 10 ounces in the heavyweight division, 6 ounces in lighter divisions. I think they use 8 in some divisions, too. But most big guys use 10-ounce gloves.


Yeah. Again, talk about the change of entertainment, even in the boxing world. We interviewed Dana White on our podcast, and he's got, I'm sure you're aware of the slapping thing, right? Yeah. Now, if I slapped you right now, Right. Is that different than taking a punch?


Not at all. No, it's terrible for you. They're basically agreeing to brain damage. They're agreeing to let each other get slapped in the head because you have to get slapped. You have to stand there and get slapped. The only thing that could save you is if your slap is so good and you win the coin toss or whatever the fuck they do to decide who slaps who first, you slap that guy unconscious, and then it's over. And it happens. Guys get slapped unconscious. You're literally taking a full on blow to the face. Your hand can hit pretty hard. If you just think of that. Try doing that with your knuckles. That's hard to do. It hurts. It doesn't hurt at all when you do that. You can slam. So you could really fucking slap someone. Guys have knock guys out, slapping them many times. It's not hard to knock. You could KO someone. Boss Rutin was one of the all-time greats in MMA, and he started his fighting in an organization called Pancrace. And Pancrace in Japan, this was the early days, as the UFC was just emerging, they started doing fights with no gloves on, but they said instead of punching, you could only slap.


So with Boss Ruten, he's got very flexible wrists. So he would pull his hands way back like this, and he was basically just punching you with the palm of his hands. So he wasn't throwing them like you would think, like a bitch slap. He was throwing punches with his his palms. He was uppercutting guys and knocking them unconscious with his palms. So that is what you're agreeing to when you're standing in front of a guy and you're letting a guy mop you in the head. You're agreeing to getting... You could easily get KOed, easily get your jaw broken, easily get your eye socket shattered.


Are these ex- This is boss.


See how he dropped that guy with that palm strike? But the way he throws it, it's like a punch. Boss was a fucking animal. He was an animal. Terrifying human being. Great guy. But man, in his prime, he was just destroying people. He was one of the first high-level strikers that made his way into mixed martial arts, and he eventually became the UFC heavyweight champion.


What was he? He was a jiu-jitsu there? He was a kickboxer.


Kickboxer from Holland, the motherland.


Of kickboxing?


Oh, yeah. Some of the all-time greats came out of Holland. For whatever strange reason. It was a background of Kyokushin, and a lot of them got into kickboxing and Muay Thai, and there was a guy named Ramone Deckers. He's like, to this day, one of the most legendary Muay Thai fighters of all time. This dude came out of Holland and went over to Thailand and just fucked everybody up. You ever heard of Ramone Deckers? Show Ramone Deckers' highlight reel. He was like a mini kickboxing Mike Tyson. Yeah. It was a monster. Because a lot of the guys that went over the Thailand, they were bigger than the Thais. But Ramone Deckers was the same size as the Thais, but he was just fucking ferocious. Look at this motherfucker. Bro, he kicked guys so hard that he shattered his ankle so many times that he had to get it fused. Jesus. And his doctor was like, You have to stop fighting or you're going to lose your foot. And it was like, Yeah, whatever. Just fucking bolt this thing down so I could get back at it again. I mean, his The highlight reel is just fucking terrifying.


It's just him mauling people.


But these kicks, right? I mean, doesn't it hurt the kicker as much as it does?


No, not as much, but it definitely hurts. I mean, especially if you hit the instep on an elbow or something like that. Yeah. But shins, shins are pretty good at tolerating pain.


Joe, come on. I mean, I hit my shin on my bed frame I'm down.


Yeah? That's just- Well, you get conditioned. You get conditioned to the point where you can bang your shin against things.


It doesn't even hurt. Don't these guys train on trees?


Yeah, they train on banana trees. In Thailand, they'll do. They kick banana trees. But banana trees are pretty soft. You can kick a banana tree, and they give out. They give a little bit when you hit them. It's not like a regular tree.


I've never seen a banana tree.


I've been around a banana tree in Thailand. I kicked one just to see what it was like because I've seen a lot of videos of these guys kicking them. Yeah, it's not the worst thing to kick. It gives a little bit. So there it is. See? Because it gives. See how it gives when he's kicking it? It's flexible. You could actually train on a banana tree. It's not a bad thing to train on.


Let's get it right in half.


Yeah. See, it moves. It's really not that much different than a heavy bag. It just looks crazy because you're like, Oh my God, he's kicking a tree. Yeah. But there's heavy bags. We have a heavy bag out there in the gym that my friend Kevin Ross gave it to me, and it's filled with sand, and that's just to condition your shins. That one's horrible. That one, you kick, it's like, oh.


What are they normally?


Usually it's cushioning, there's foam, and then it depends on what the stuffing is. Sometimes they stuff it with rags and cloth and stuff like that. And the whole idea is it's really packed down tight and it's heavy, so it's like 130, 150 pounds. It's long and you can do leg kicks on it. But the sand one is just hard as a rock. It's just thud, thud. And you do that just to condition your shins. That's the one you practice on, just to condition yourself.


Yeah, I wish I could do some of this stuff with the... I've always wanted to get into a fighting just for self defense, right? But I have detached my biceps. Oh, no. So I have holes in my arm. I have no bicep. Well, I have a bicep, but just not the short one is gone.


How did it detach? What did you catch?


Woke up and no bicep. What?


Really? Yeah. Nothing happened?


There's no trauma that I could pinpoint that this happened. Now, I have kids. I was putting them in the car. Maybe it came from them. You felt something? No, I didn't feel nothing. Really? Looking in the mirror one day, and I brought my wife over. I go, Is there a hole in my arm? It's nuts. Now, I'll show you.


Let me see. Oh, wow. I've seen guys have that before. My friend Matt Serra has that. When he makes a bicep, half of it is missing. It's curled up on one side.


Matt Serra is a fighter? Yeah. I'm a comedian, and I got a hole in my arm.


That is odd. But you have most of your bicep.


Yeah, but that's on this side, too.


The same side? That one? Did you go to a doctor?


Yeah, he says, There's nothing you could do about it.


But he said it's detached?


It's gone.


And you don't know why?


No, I don't know why. So then I'm thinking, do I got some weird Mediterranean-type disease where people-Shit starts detaching? My My dad's got it.




But he put a luggage in the overhead compartment. That's what his snap. His bigger bicep is living in his elbow now. Oh, Jesus.


You can get that fixed if you do it right away. Right away.


I didn't catch it right away.


It seems like with you, there was no trauma, which doesn't even make any sense. No sense. Everybody that I know that's done that, it's usually boxing or jiu-jitsu or lifting weights or something like that. It's painful as fuck, instantly. There's a video of a guy doing curves, and as he's doing curves, his bicep snaps and coils up. You see like,.


It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. And I've heard the same thing. It's painful, but I have no pain, no nothing.


Well, it doesn't seem like it affects your range of motion either.


No, there's no-So you could do everything. There's no problem. But now I'm thinking, can't I even work out the bicep? Because I'm afraid that one's going to snap.


No, you should, because if you don't, the bicep is not going to be strong enough to do the extra work that's required missing that other one. Yeah, definitely. You're fine. You're fine. Yeah, you could do everything. You just got to get strong. Just strengthen all the surrounding tissue. You're fine.


What's the ads? Of a guy who doesn't really do any strenuous tennis, nothing like that, to lose both of his biceps by 50. And now I got it in my head that everything's going to fall apart.


Everything's going to snap. Yeah, but you haven't lost your biceps. Your biceps are there. It's like whatever that other thing is that attaches, that's not there anymore. But I don't think you need that. I think you're fine. I wouldn't worry about it. Legitimately, I wouldn't worry about it. I would just start working out. I just really into strengthening everything around it. That's what I'm doing. Especially since you can't fix it.


Can't fix it.


But Matt does everything. Matt is a black belt in jiu-jitsu, and his biceps way worse than yours. His is pulled all the way up to the top. So at the bottom, when you make a muscle like this part, he doesn't have this part. It's just flat. Yeah, it's my dad. And it's a little bit up here. I've seen a bunch of people who have that. Okay. That's a common thing.


I'm just shocked that it happened so early. In life.


It doesn't make sense. That didn't hurt at all. That seems weird.




But you seem like you have full range of motion.


If you just keep everything strong. I'm active, but I used to love biceps. I'm Italian.


There's You're still there.


But listen, alone in a mirror with the shirt off.


You don't like it?


No. Looks weird. You used to love doing biceps like that.


Oh, you used to love to stare at yourself? Yeah, doing biceps?


That was my favorite exercise. That's funny. Oh, yeah.


I literally never do that. I never do biceps, ever.


Well, growing up, that's what we always used to do. 20s, 30s, 40s. We're doing it in bice.


Curls for the girls.


Curls for the girls, man. Now I got holes in my arm.


I don't think it'll affect you. I bet you could still do bicep curves, no problem at all. I bet your biceps will grow. I don't think it's a problem. I don't think it's a problem.Okay. I don't know what happened. I don't understand it. It seems weird. Maybe I feel like it happened when you were way younger. You just didn't notice it. Maybe you got older, your body changed. No.


Nothing? No, it's just a dramatic... I mean, esthetically, you would have...


So you just noticed it one day?


One day doing my hair.Weird.Dropped my arms, looked in the mirror. I thought it was a shadow from the thing. I go, Oh, it must be a shadow. But no, it's a hole. It's a hole. I didn't catch it in time, and now I'm walking around with no biceps. That's so strict.


But you do have biceps. Yeah. Missing one of those things.


One of the biceps.


You didn't need it, obviously. Weren't using it. Fell apart.


It's like an appendicitis. Yeah, it's like this guy isn't even fucking interested in this muscle.


It just quit on you. Do you have a trainer?




So how often do you work out?


I do about three or four days with the trainer, and I do two days Pilates. Oh, nice. Which has helped my sciatica. So I started three months ago. I have had sciatica two and a half years, affecting everything, including my comedy, because I'm physical. I like to move. But the pain was relentless. And I'm like, I didn't want to get the surgery.


Was it a disectomy? They're trying to get you to do?


It was spinal. I don't know what exactly because I don't listen and I don't know anything as far as the research. The guy told me what it was. I'm like, okay, one ear out the other. But stenosis of the spine, that's what was happening and whatnot. And something L3, L4, L4.


You know what you need to get that will help you a lot? A lot. There's a thing called the Dex. It's one of those teeter products where you hook your legs to this thing and you lean your body forward. You know those ones you hang by your ankles? Those are good. Those are really good. They're great for a lot of reasons. But this one is my favorite for low back decompression. This right here. We have one out there. I'll show it to you. It's called the DEX, D-E-X 2. It's an inversion and core training system. But the thing that it does the best is when your legs are supported, you could do back extensions and stuff on it, but I really don't use it for that. Mostly what I use it for is just decompressing. So I get on it and all your weight is now on your thighs and all the weight of your upper body from your hips down is just decompressing. And you feel it pop, like I'll lie in it and it goes pop, pop, pop, pop. I'll feel it decompress. It's amazing. I love it. And also you can do back extensions when you're on that same incline, and it's really good for strengthening those muscles.


Also, sometimes that helps me loosen them up even more. I'll do a set of back extensions on it, and then I'll really deeply relax and let it pop.


All right.


Decompression of the back and spine is very important. That's why yoga is so good because you're stretching and decompressing things. If you're tight, and everything's tight as you get older, you just keep shrinking. That's what happens to old people. The space in between their spine goes away, and then they get this hunch, and then they're immobile. You don't want to be immobile.


No. I felt like this Lagri Pilates have definitely changed my life.


Pilates is amazing. They're very good for that. Yoga, very good for that. Anything where you're using your whole body like that. For a lot of people, there's a lot contributing factors that lead to sciatica. There's tightness of the hamstrings. There's tightness of the upper quads that also affects your lower back and compresses everything. When I have back pain, one of the things that I do is I sit on my heels and I lean all the way back. So with my legs bent, and it really stretches out my upper legs, my thighs, my quads. And when I do that, I feel it in my lower back. I feel my lower back relaxing. I feel it stretching out. And then I'll do a bunch of other different exercises like that. But that's what keeps me from having back pain.


Yeah, the importance of stretching, I found, is huge.


It's huge. It's huge. And everybody's lazy. Nobody wants to stretch. Even me. Even when I get done When I'm in with a workout, I'm like, I could stretch, I should stretch, but I want to go eat. And sometimes I'll just go eat. But most of the time I stretch. And when I do, I always feel way better. Before a big show, I always stretch. Always.


In the back? Yeah.


I just lay down on the floor and start stretching. When I do that, it's like everything just feels better because the physical tension that you carry in your body, if you can mitigate some of that, you just feel looser. You get out there, you feel loose.


It's just age really crept up on me. It's a motherfucker idea. Really crept up on me. It's a motherfucker. I'm doing all I can to combat that.


How old are you now? Fifty. When you see guys that are fifty that don't take care of themselves, though, you see the difference? Mm-hmm. That's scary. That's scary when a guy is never taking care of himself, and then he's 50. And you're in a state of total... I could pull your arm apart. I could just grab your arm and pull it away from your shoulder socket. There's nothing keeping that thing in there. You're made out of jello. Your body doesn't have Any need to be strong because it never gets used. So your body just deteriorates into this sunken lump. And now you're in pain all the time. And now you got problems all the time. Now you don't even have your fucking energy to do things that you want to do. For me, The whole thing is mitigating mental illness, mitigating anxiety and stress and anger. Get that out, clean your mind out, and then make sure you have energy. The only way you can get things done is if you have fucking energy, especially like writing. If you don't consider writing a physical health thing. But if you're tired, you're not going to write as good.


You're not going to have the enthusiasm. You're not going to have the energy. It's like for everything, you need energy. And there's only one way to get that. You have to have a healthy body. You have to. It's like a part of the job. It should be a part of the job. I tried to tell it to fat comedians. I'm like, I know you're great, but look, we lost Patrice when he was in his 40s. If Patrice was alive today, he'd have the number one podcast in the world. If Patrice was alive today, he'd be selling out Arena. Us. We lost him because he just didn't take care of himself. That's it. That's the only reason why.


No, it's super important, not only for the comedy, but even looking at my kids now. I'm an older father, so I want to do those things with my kids, whether it be skiing Right. Have fun. They went skiing, where we went skiing in December. And my wife loves skiing. And of course, I'm at the fucking bottom of the hill waiting for that. You know what I've become or was becoming? Say hi to Daddy. We go to Disneyland. They're on the rides.


You don't do the rides? Fuck, no.


I never do rides. I throw up in my lap when I do these rides. Really?


Yeah. All of them?




No Space Mountain? No.


Space Mountain's amazing. It's not... It's so fun. I got a weak stomach, Joe. I can barely take the take off on a flight, let alone drop in-Clostrophobia. Yeah, I'm a mess, bro. Clostrophobia No biceps and fear of roller coats.


Things can be a lot worse. You're doing great.


No, I'm fine. I complain for the sake of comedy. I know. I understand. But I'm blessed.


Yeah. You're You're back out here in August? What are you doing in August?


I'm doing the Moody Center.




Moody Center. That's a great venue. I've never been there. I heard it's brand new, but it's- Yeah, it's amazing.


It's an amazing venue. This is a great town I love your comedy right now. There's a lot of big-time comedy fans here now.


Yeah. Well, I mean, your club, which I'm dying to do, and I'm sorry that I didn't get out here to do it, but I definitely want to do the ship.


I hear great things about it. Yeah. Next time you're in town, come by and hang out with us for a couple of days. We do shows Tuesday, Wednesdays, and Thursdays are my shows, and this show is seven nights a week.


Great. I want to make it more of a meal next time I come out. This is an in and out thing. I want to utilize the I want to see if I can get in the tank. Yeah? Yeah. You could do it. I want to maybe- You want to take an edible first?


You want to really do it? No.


You know what? Baby steps. I want to do an edible, but I want to... I know some people come in here and go, Hey, you got an edible?


Don't do that.


I can't do anything unless I do a test run at home.




So whatever you got here, what is this? Rogi? What is this?


Oh, these are just nicotine. Oh, that's nicotine.


What's the good... I'm looking to get into it, maybe an edible every now and then.


Well, California is a perfect place to do it because you can get those nice 10 milligram edibles.


10 milligram? You eat the whole thing. Easy.


Try five. Just try five. Eat half of it.


What is this? Is this the type of thing where you're like, Oh, hey, this is great, or is this the work? Maybe.


Or deep paranoia. Depends on how much you take. I don't need to be paranoid anymore. You might go down dark, dark, dark, dark.


I don't do dark. I think I told you.


We might think about these solar flares. Do you hear about these solar flares? There's a solar flares that is supposed to reach us on the 10th and the 11th to some mass coronal ejections that could play havoc with our community communication systems or satellites? Could you shut down the power grid if one's big enough? You haven't heard about this? Come on, look at me. I barely heard about this. A friend of mine who's actually a legitimate scientist actually warned me about this. He said it's really strange that we're not being told about the potential impact of this. Earth prepares for a solar storm impact from three CMEs this weekend. Solar activity has reached high levels in the past 24 to 36 hours with background flux at or near M1-0. I don't know what that means. The most significant developments from the sun include the growth and merging of regions 3664 and 3668, as well as the production of numerous M-class solar flares and 2X-class solar flares from what CME is coronal mass ejection that are expected to arrive at Earth this weekend. Joe, no.


Keep this up there. If this was me and you send me this article, read this about solar flares. Would it turn me off? Just visually. Okay. 3664. I see that in a paragraph. I ain't reading it. Just the numbers alone. The regions? Yeah.


See, I'm the opposite.


Whatever you read just now didn't even register in my head, couldn't even comprehend it. Did you get any of that?


For me, what I got is a deep respect for these people that have not They're not just watching the sun, but they've made regions of the sun, so they can refer to these specific regions where this solar activity is taking. Tomorrow. Yeah. That's what I was saying. The 10th and the 11th, that's what my friend was telling me.


X 2.2 3B flare.


He was actually concerned that his wife was going to be out of town while this was happening. He's like, You should have food and you should be prepared. Yeah. Despite this, go back up. The region continued to produce optical flares, radio bursts, and an isolated That's one of the craziest things about the sun. The sun is not static. It's all over the place. It's got these giant ejections that happen that could cook our satellites. And in the past, before we had the infrastructure that we have today, there was a big mass ejection, I think, that they recorded in the 1800s that took out communications for whatever they had back then.


You know, I like the sun, Joe.


You like a tan? A beautiful tan. Are you a beach guy? Do you like to go on a beach on vacations? I love the beach. A little margarita, sit there?


A little margarita, a little Mexico beach vibe. Sit down and my kids build a little sand castle, go in the water.


Mexico makes me nervous. Did you hear about those surfers that just got killed in Mexico?


Why do you got to ruin it, Jeff?


They found them in a well, shot in the head in a well. They stole their car and shot them in the head, and threw them down in a well.


I'm at the beach with a margarita, and you're in a well with three gun wounds. Why do you got to ruin the visual for a big joke? Come on.


I mean, I don't know what happened to these guys, but shit can go.


Yeah, it can go sideways. It can go sideways.


When you're in Mexico. No. Mexico surfer death, man charged, confessed to girlfriend. Oh, wow. Kill these two dudes over a car.


Jesus Christ.


Their bodies are found dumped in a cliffside well six days after they disappeared, each with a gunshot to the head. That's terrible. There's shit that could-Yeah, there was a fourth body that had been there longer, was unconnected to the case.


All right. That's their spot. That's their spot. There goes the family trip to Mexico.


That's their spot. Most of the time people go to Mexico. It's no worries at all. I went down there once and I was worried, and I saw Halle Berry there. I'm like, She's here. Now I'm not worried. Yeah.


I feel if you see Halle Berry anywhere, it's like it's okay.


She's going to be fine. Yeah.


I don't know.


Mexico worries me, though. But it's just like it's controlled by the cartels. The country is essentially controlled by the illegal drug market.


So you would not go to Mexico?


I've gone to Mexico. I love Mexico, but it is what it is. It's a different sketchy. And they're generally protective of tourists. Generally, yes. They don't want to They don't want to fuck. And then the government will come down on them if someone kills tourists.


It could happen on Wilshire Boulevard.


It will happen on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. That's why I don't live in Los Angeles. I know. It could happen anywhere, really.


Anywhere now.


But Los Angeles is a higher likelihood of shit going sideways.


No, I agree.


What's it like? What's it like? Are you enjoying it?


There's been many of conversations over dinner. What are we doing here? I'm sure you went through that prior to.


Well, I know you looked out here for a little bit. I looked out here for a bit. Now is a good time to look. Now, there's a lot of great houses that are available. A lot of money came here. A lot of people came here. A lot of building got done here. I have a great real estate agent if you're still interested.


The growth is exponential. The quality of life is fantastic. It's much better. Okay. But I got off the airplane. The heat?


And I was sweating right out of the gate. Can't take that?


I don't know. I don't like heat. You don't like heat? I don't like humidity. So that is a big, big factor of moving anywhere, whether it be Florida, Texas.


Los Angeles gets pretty fucking hot, dude.


It does get hot. I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just saying this is a different heat for me.


It's a wet heat.


It's uncomfortable.


Yeah, it's better for your skin, though.


Maybe. And we've often tossed around is Los Angeles the place for us? With me is I got a family there. I got my mother there. My sister's there.


What about San Diego? No. No?


No, not a big San Diego. Really? No.


I love it down there.


I love Florida.


Florida is great, too. Thought about there?


I have family in Naples, Florida. Hot as fuck. Hot as fuck, though.


Yeah. Hotter than here.


Yeah. I feel like if you go to one of these places that have a hot summer-People are dumber, too. They're dumber in Florida? Yeah, they're dumber. Okay.


I'll fit right in. Generally, there's some brilliant people in Florida. Don't get me wrong. But if you had to do a statewide wide IQ test. It might be disturbing.




Oh, yeah. A lot of people escaped to go to Florida. Florida is a place where people ran from their past.


I just feel like if I go to Florida, I'm running from paying an exorbit amount of money in taxes.


That's true, too.


And quality of life might be better.


It would be better. And that's Texas, too. Texas doesn't have state taxes either. California is 14%, which is It's insane.


It's insane.


It's so high.


This morning, I took a beautiful walk along your... What is this, a river you guys got running through the city?


Lady Bird Lake.


Lady Bird Lake, right? Read about the bats.




And Just let people hello. It's nice. It's a nice vibe out there. I'm not going to lie.




But I'm rooted over there.


I was rooted, too. Yeah, I know. Yeah, but it's not worth it. It's not worth it to be rooted in a place that sucks.


I understand.


The conflict, the feeling like, why am I still here? I don't have any of that here. I had that feeling for a while in LA, even before the pandemic. I'm like, do I really need to be here? But I just didn't know another way to do it. It was like, there's no other way to do everything that I want to do. Podcast, comedy. I'm in LA. I guess this is where I live.


From the time you started to think about moving to the time you moved, what was that years-wise?


I have been thinking about it for a long time. I lived in Colorado for a little bit in 2009. But I had been thinking about it for a while, but it didn't seem possible. But then when the pandemic hit, it was like, okay, the whole world is different now. Now you got to move. You got to get the fuck out of here because LA was going sideways. And I'm of the opinion that once things start going bad, it takes a long time, especially in a Democrat-controlled state. Takes a long time for things to turn around, if they turn around at all. And everybody has this idea of, Oh, this is LA. La is like that. I'm like, No, it's not like that anymore. They're burning cop cars in Mill Street, looting businesses. They're letting people do it. They're smashing grabs. They're just telling you you can't shop after 6:00 PM. This is madness. We got to get the fuck out of here. That was my take. My take was like, This is not the same LA anymore. You don't stay in your house while it's on fire just because, But it's my house. No, it's on fire.


You got to get out. So that was my take.


And the family was on board?


Yeah, they loved it. Well, the kids were young enough. My youngest were 10 and 12 when we came here. And we got them to my real estate agent. She's brilliant. She took us to the lake, and the girls were on a boat. We were all hanging out. We were jumping in the water together and swimming. And people were listening to the fucking Leonard Skinner, and people were singing and drinking. And it was like, everybody was having fun. And there was no masks. Whereas in LA, everyone was terrified and locked down. So this was in May of 2020. We were It was only two months into the pandemic, and I was already trying to get out. And then by August, I was already here. I was like, Fuck you guys. And then by October, Dave and I started doing shows. We started doing shows at Stubbs. And then November, we started doing indoor shows here. Like, Jesus Christ. And then it was crazy. And then the influx, everybody started moving here. Segura moved here. Tony Hinchcliff moved here. Brian Simpson moved here. Derek Poston, Asan Amad. They moved here. William Montgomery moved here. Ron White was already here.


Duncan Russell moved here. Tim Dylan moved here. It just started getting crazy. Joe DeRosa just got a spot here. Joey's coming next week. It's been amazing. But all those things had to take place in the exact right order. It's almost like you had to hit every green light on the road. It's just all the things had to happen the right way to be able to happen, to make what actually took place. It's crazy.


It is nuts that this place... I just looked around the city. The amount of buildings that are going up is crazy. The only thing I do see, do you think the infrastructure of the city can withstand the amount of people here? Like the roads and the traffic?


They're doing work on that. They're expanding things. There's going to be growing pains for sure. There's obviously a lot more traffic now than there was 10 years ago, but it had always been growing because I remember my business Honet was out here, and so we were coming out here for on it. And every time I would come out, over the years, I'd notice traffic was picking up more and more before the pandemic. But then during the pandemic, obviously, there was a mass influx of people like, We're getting the fuck out of California. And that was the biggest factor.


I'm not arguing with you, Joe. It's a great move. I know.


You have to decide because no place is going to be like, Oh, my God, this is perfect. Every place is going to come with a thing. But this thing is also way cheaper. It's way cheaper to live here. You get more for your money if you're trying to buy a house and your state taxes are nonexistent, which is just way better. That's beautiful. Because look, if California was perfect, and I had to pay a lot of money, but they kept the streets clean and there was no crime and everybody's having a good time and there's great schools and great social programs. This feels good. I'm spending a lot of money in taxes, but man, I live in a fucking utopia. I love it. It doesn't feel like that at all. It feels like you're getting fucked by people who tell you they're going to fuck you and they have to fuck you. And if you don't want to get fucked, you're a part of the problem. Like, Oh, okay, I got to get out of here. I don't feel like that here, though. I don't feel like that here. I don't feel like that when I'm in Nashville.


I don't feel like that when I'm in Florida. I think there's parts of this country that haven't lost their fucking minds, and people gravitate towards those parts where people realize, Hey, there's some There's some real need for law and order. There's some real need for rules. There's some real need for... You got to have your fucking ducks in a row. You can't let psychos take over the school systems and teach nonsense. There's a good mixture. I think Austin is the best mixture because it's a liberal city. It's a very, very progressive city that's surrounded by ranchers. It's surrounded by fucking people in the small towns that are all driving pickup trucks and shooting signs. It keeps everything balanced.


It's a nice balance here.


Because even the most liberal people here, they're so much more reasonable than liberal people that I would meet in LA. Liberal people in LA were cult members, and they felt like if you weren't on their team, you were some a Nazi, and you shouldn't be allowed to vote, you definitely should lose your job.


It's a tough place to live, Joe. I'm not going to argue with you.


When you come back in August, I'll take you around. It'll be a good time to know if you hate it because it'll be hot as fuck.


I'm going to burn my skin off.


August is going to be sweating and hot, but it's beautiful. And the food.


There's so much good food here, Sebastian.


There's so much good food. So much good food.


No, I come back, we'll do a proper Austin run.


All right. Do it for a few days. You got anything to tell people about?


Got a major tour, July 11th, called the It Ain't Right Tour. It ain't right. A lot of stuff in Los Angeles. It ain't right. That starts July 11th at Norfolk, Virginia. I'm currently shooting Bookie.


Oh, yeah. You're on a Chuck Lorries show, right?


Chuck Lorries show on Max, which we're in our second season. We're shooting that.


Who's in that with you?


Omar Dorsey's in it. Andrea Anders, Vanessa Furlito.


I've heard good things about it. I've heard it's a great show.


Really fun show.


I want to watch it. So it's on Max?


It's on Max. We got eight episodes on there right now, and we're filming.


Well, that guy Chuck Lorries, that fucking guy's done it all.


Hits, bro. Hits.


Nothing that hits. My family is addicted to the Big Bang Theory right now. So my youngest, my wife and I watch the Big Bang Theory. I've watched like 100 episodes over the last four months.


Yeah, it's crazy.


I underestimated that show tremendously because I had seen clips online. I'm like, This show sucks. And then you watch it. This is a funny show. It's a really well-made show.


Really great writer. This is my first TV series, so to have this guy. Really? Yeah. I did a pilot years ago with Tony Danza playing my dad. Never got off the ground.


How was it like meeting Tony Danza? Oh, great.


I grew up with Tony Danza taxi, and he was the boss, and he played my dad, and he was really, really good. But that was a network show, and I never picked it up.


Are they making four-camera multi-camera sitcoms anymore? Yeah.


On networks? I don't know about networks, but- Ms.


Pat. Ms. Pat's got one? Yeah, she's got a multi-camera show. But I mean, do any network tell What is on? Network TV on Thursday night now. Is it all The Bachelor show?


Yeah, I think we're seeing a lot.


That shit?


A lot of reality, maybe dating shows.


Game shows, reality shows?


Big Brother or what have you. It used to be all sitcoms. It used to be all sitcoms. I mean, you were part of that world.


Well, that's why watching the Big Bang Theory make me say, I enjoy sitcoms. It's a great way to consume entertainment. You don't see them anymore. Look at this. It's a good man.


Vanessa Lachet was my wife. It was like a talk to camera. I would do a little talk to camera, and then I would pop back into the scene. The talk to camera for me was I was like, Oh, I could show my comedy a little bit here, and then I go back into the scene. But yeah, man.


I wonder if sitcoms are going to come back. I hope they do. If networks are smart, they'll put together some multi-cam sitcoms because it's still a fun art form. It's still a fun way to consume humor. Yeah, it is.


It'll come back. It'll come back. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know either. We'll see. We'll see. Maybe. Also, I have a podcast, Pete and Sebastian Show, which we're now- Say how to Pete for me.


I haven't talked to Pete forever. Pete's a good dude. I can't believe that you said before I saw you here today that I haven't seen you in four years.


Five. Is it really five? 2019, I believe, was the last time I was on your show.


But I've seen you since then. I've seen you at the store in 2019, I think. Before the pandemic, I think I saw you.


Yeah, that was 2019. It was five years ago.


Yeah, almost. In March, it'll be.


I definitely haven't seen you out here. It was my first time out here. But I want to tell you, congratulations on all your success. Thank you. Even walking through this place before I came in to know, I saw you at the Comedy store hanging out in the parking lot, and now you're floating in a tank in your own warehouse. It's unbelievable.


Hey, congratulations to you, too, because I remember when you first started. I really do. I remember your first struggles at the store. I remember I saw you. I was in Vegas. I was working in Vegas, and I was in my hotel room by myself, flip it through the channels, and I saw your special, and I think it was a Showtime special. I remember tweeting it. It was fucking great.


It was great. You actually reached out to me and said, Hey, man, this is really good stuff. It's funny. Eleanor Kerrigan was on a podcast in and somebody sent it to me, and she's like, Oh, my God, Sebastian was awful. Just awful when he first started. Everybody at the Comedy store knew it. They're like, How did this guy get past? I'm sitting there listening to this going, Fuck, I didn't even... I didn't think I was bad. It's funny what you think you are and what people are saying. I didn't know any of that.


I thought, Oh. Well, the problem was you started out as an open micer at the Comedy Store in Los Angeles, which is crazy. That's like learning how to play football with the Giants. It's nuts. Just the idea behind it is nuts. It's a very, very difficult way to break into comedy. And so everybody's terrible in the beginning. If they've seen me six months in, they're, Oh, my God, he fucking sucks. How did he get past?


I know, but to hear it was like, Oh, wow. I had no idea. And not to even know you suck. That is awful. I knew I was learning, but I didn't know people were like, This guy should be pumping gas. You know what? I don't know if you've ever had this on your podcast. What are you guys? North of what? 2,500 episodes here?


Something like that.


I drank way too much water.


Before the podcast? During. Oh, so you got to pee right now, real bad.


It's unbelievable.


Yeah, I see your face. We can wrap this up. The tour, all that, where can the people find the information?


Sebastionlive. Com. Get your tickets to the tour.


Get your tickets.


It's going to be... I can't give anything away, but I'm into I like production at my shows. Not only the comedy, but the experience. We got some surprises on the tour. Nice. Coming to Austin, Texas.


When is that? August ninth.


August ninth.


If I'm here, I'm there. All right. I would love to see it. Great to see you again. Congratulations to all your success, too. It's been beautiful to watch. Thank you. I'm very happy for you.


I appreciate you having me on your show.


My pleasure, brother. Anytime. Next time, let's not wait four years.




Come back in August. We'll do it again. All right. I appreciate you, brother. Bye, everybody.