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Baker. Good to see you, my friend.

It's good to be seen. Thank you, Mr. Rogan. Thank you.

He taking notes already?

I am. He said, good to see you. Yeah, I know. I don't know what I do this.

So tell everybody what you were doing in the Middle east, because it's pretty crazy.

Pretty interesting. Yeah. Thank you for that. Look, it all started with some colleagues of mine from the UK Special Forces Club. And these guys are tremendous.

Right.

But Howard Ledham and some others who came up with an idea. They said, look, we have to do something to help the Benevolent Fund, which is for the UK Special Forces. It's like wounded warriors here in the States. And I can say this because I'm a dual citizen with the uk, The British don't tend to be very good at raising money or asking for money for very important causes. So here in the US, where you've got 100,000 different, you know, groups that are advocating for veterans over there, it's not the case. Right. But they have the same need. Right. And they have all these. These wonderful people in their families. So the idea was, what can we do? A big event, something massive that can. That can really help to raise funds and awareness for the Special Forces Benevolent Fund. They came up with this crazy idea at the time, still crazy, to recreate a 1917 epic journey that Lawrence of Arabia did through what was considered the unpassable deserts of Saudi and Jordan to go from essentially northwest Saudi through these unpassable deserts, and then into Jordan and then down to Aqaba to route the Turks, who at the time controlled the area, and.

And with a small Arab army led by several sheikhs and Lawrence, they did this trek of about 1100 kilometers. Took them several months because they had stopped along the way. Plus they were fighting Turks along the way. So we took off in January, mid January. Five riders, 10 camels, and an incredible support team. And an incredible support team.

Can I just type you there? Is this your first time riding a camel?

Well, we went out in December, so spent about a week and a half. Howard lives out there as to do one of the other fellows.

And so you go through camel riding training.

Camel riding training. That's exactly what we did.

Oh, so there we are riding a camel.

It is not comfortable in any fashion. It's not like a horse. A horse has. You can fall into sort of a rhythm, and a horse has a much smoother gait. You know, so the camel, basically, all you're trying to do. There's the crew, wonderful guys. Howard, James, myself, Tomo. There's Craig in the back. An amazing crew. I've rarely worked with guys that are just so impressive. And again, going with the support team, everybody that was on that group, a small group of eight or nine folks.

Why does everybody ride with one leg to the side like that?

It's essentially a comfort issue. And because you'll notice there's no those. They're not really saddles. They're called shadads that sit on top of the hump. That's a Saudi shadad. The Omani shadad is different. It sits behind the hump and is even less comfortable. And now these things were probably designed some 2,000 years ago, and they've never felt the need to improve them. They're basically just some wood, you know, tied together. And then you try to throw a couple of things on top of this piece of wood to make it comfortable. And I think all the Bedouins and others were laughing at us because we just kept piling blankets on to try to see if we couldn't. You know, it was. It was tough and. And so ass blisters are. And. Yeah. So anyway, that's what you see there. But there's no stirrups on these things. Like a horse. You know, you're riding on the saddle, you got stirrups, and it takes the pressure off your legs. You're just hanging on. So you don't want to ride with one leg on either side because it's just not. It's just not comfortable. So you hit your leg over the front, and then you kind of put your leg or your foot behind the other leg.

Is it because they're too wide? Is that why you don't want to ride one leg on the other side? Or is it just a ball buster?

I'd say it's a ball buster. Particularly if that shadow shifts and it starts to, like, le forward and then suddenly like this. These. These large dowels in the front, large dowel in the back. You know, they kind of basically look like big wooden dildos on this shadad. And so if that shadad shifts forward as it did on occasion, you're just. You're. Your package is just jammed against that thing, and you have to cover these guys. Look, I got injured. I had some soft muscle injury, and. And there's. There's the crew walking through, and I tore some muscles in my rib cage.

You were just riding?

No, it was a rather Inelegan from the camel. And so I twisted really badly and then went the other way. And then next thing you know, I'd. I had fucked up some the muscles along my obliques and then rib cage area. And so I spent the next couple of days. We had a team medic, Jed, a wonderful guy, great sense of humor, as did they all. And he eventually got tired of me like asking him for painkillers and anti inflammatories. And so eventually I had to tap out, which was more painful probably than the actual injuries. And the guys just continued to grind it out.

How far was left when you.

Oh, I was in the first 25% of the journey, so I had to. And then I went back for the end, for the arrival into Aqaba. There's the whole crew right there. I just can't say enough about these people. Again, 25, 26 days longer than that, actually. A month out in really bad conditions. People think that's the deserts, right? Well, it's called the impassable deserts for a reason. Massive sandstorms, freezing temperatures at night, bitter cold. And we were sleeping in one man tents. And then you'd get up, you'd get the camels ready.

How much supplies did you bring? Well, did you have a supply camel?

We had. Land Rover did a wonderful job of helping to sponsor this. So they provided vehicles that the support team used to kind of trail and then get ahead and help to establish the next. And Howard and Craig had done the recce. So we had the camps mapped out because this is a long trek, 1100 kilometers. And so they were able to supply and do all the work that kept these guys moving forward. And imagine doing that without them. Oh, it, it would have been, it, it wouldn't have been impossible. But they'd still be out there sleping. Yeah.

Jeez. You'd have to bring several camels just to carry your food and water.

Yeah, no, it's exactly right.

There's no water out there, right?

No, no, I mean there's, there's a.

There'S a spring occasionally.

Yeah, you, you could, you pass through a, a handful of areas near small. I mean, when I'm saying small, I mean like there's nothing there. Little tiny village. Maybe there's a mosque. And the mosque would have a water supply so you could stop and maybe refill, let the camels drink.

Are they getting water from the ground or are they getting water from, are they bringing in from a well?

Yeah, from a well. So they have, they have. I mean, because you Know, talking thousands of years, they figured out where the wells are. And part of this, you know, from 1917, look, the Turks never expected these guys to come from this direction because who's going to do that, right? And they did it. These guys all did it. I was just, I was just honored to be a part of it, even though I had to tap out, which was. God damn, that was Jamie.

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Like what that area looks like?

Yeah, I should have, I should have included a, a map of the, the route itself.

Like, tell me where to look.

Look for Alwaj. Alwaj Saudi on the, on the coast, sort of northwest Saudi.

And look at Jamie spelling it correctly and everything.

This guy, this guy's crazy. Look at that. No, he's right there, right there at the top. So we started out in Alwash and then. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Now click out and then you start, you start heading north, you start heading northeast. You can see Jordan is up there above that area. You start heading sort of on a diagonal northeast. You pass through all. Just look at it. It's like, what the hell? And you keep going, you keep going. Eventually you get, if you, if you zoom out a little bit so you'll see the border with Jordan. Okay, you go up pass and keep, keep going in that direction.

The place looks inhospitable.

There's just not a lot there. And then you come up to where Jordan is. But anyway, at the end of the day, you see Aqaba. We came down through Jordan and into Aqaba, which is at the tip there. Right there. Yeah. Which is where the fort was, which is where they routed the Turks. And then eventually that created all sorts of opportunities.

Look at this whole area. This fucking. No green. No, no, there's not tiny parcels of semi green areas.

Yeah. No, when I say it's desolate and there's nothing, there's, there's nothing.

Jimmy, zoom back out again. Look how wild that looks like what happened.

So these, these, doesn't that look washed out, Jamie?

This is all Randall Carlson stuff, right?

Yeah. And we went, went through the, the Royal Reserve. The Saudis were very good and the Jordanians were amazing as well. Jamie, what were you saying supporting this.

Looks like it all washed down. Yeah, it totally looks like it washed.

Yeah. You'll find, you'll find like all these wadis that are in there that, you know, essentially there's a lot of dried up riverbeds. And you know, the danger is of course there are flash floods on occasion, not very often, but so this thing took place and they. Eventually the whole thing ended in Aqaba again. The Jordanians couldn't have been greater about supporting this. I think everybody, I know, the Bedouins, when we got started, they were staring at us like, what the hell are you doing? They couldn't imagine that people would do this willingly, right? For no. Especially from their perspective, no reason.

Americans and Europeans, man, I tell you what.

Yeah, I know, I know when I got injured, I know every single one of those damn son of a bitches were laughing. They were like, what the hell? And then. And they were looking at like the archads with all these blankets and furs on them, trying to make it somewhat comfortable.

Those guys must have leather balls.

Yeah, I think. Or they just had them removed. I don't know how you do it because. And then you have to trot, right? You can't just walk. Walking was comfortable enough, but you have to, you have to cover the distance. Right. And the trot on a camel is not comfortable. Right. And so it was. Anyway, I just can't say enough good things about these people. But the cause, the UK Special Forces Club Benevolent Fund, if people want to go and read more about this, they can go to. What is it? Wwwsfc.

That's how old you are. You keep using the w's everybody else.

I guess I don't have to. So that's three W's. And then every used to say that.

People used to say HTTP.

I still do, because I think that's what you have to do. So it's sfcbf.org you can go there, you check it out, and if you're so inclined, there's even a button you can click on to donate, even if it's a price of a cup of coffee. If you get enough people putting in the price of a cup of coffee, it makes a huge difference for these people. But it was. It was one of those bucket list items that I just can't describe it.

When you see some of the things that USAID fund, does it get you upset that they don't fund things like this? Yeah, yeah, it really does me too. Yeah, it does me too. It's just. It's.

Come on because this is a direct right, as. As is Wounded warriors, as are all the other groups. It's a direct way to help people, you know, and it's not like they've got, you know, massive administrative costs. Right. Like. Like the government tends to.

Right.

And so. No, absolutely, goddamn right. I just. It seems to me. And so we, you know, we were fortunate to have a lot of, you know, corporations that went in on it. You know, there were some that looked at it and goes, okay, so let me see. You're talking about five white guys on camels, you know, recreating what we think is a. It was still sort of the vestiges of that bullshit DEI thing. Right. From a corporate perspective. So we're like, no, God damn it. It's sporting, you know, veterans, how difficult and their families. How tough is that to understand? But, you know, some.

You're just taking a difficult trek. It doesn't mean you support colonialism.

Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. And by the way, the Arab sheikhs led. It was their effort.

They have to look at things through this lens of who in the furthest left. Kookiest perspective, is going to be offended by this bunch of white people in the desert.

Yeah, yeah.

If anything, it should give you a perspective on how unbelievably brutal the times were back then.

No, absolutely. And you also think that, honestly, it's just, look at the cause, look at the reason for it. Right? But I do think. I think that. I think we are on the. On the. On the downhill slope of dei, Right. I think that. I think the grifters who built up that cottage industry are going to have to be looking for New jobs. Because I think most companies are starting to think, you know what, let's get off of this thing.

Yes. So I think so too. And I also think that if you look at the overall body of work that they've produced, it's very, it's very obvious what many of them are doing. I think there's some genuinely good people that involved in this that really want to do good work. They're very sensitive, kind souls. They probably grow up rich. Probably grew up rich. But I think there's a lot of, a lot of grifters too, unfortunately. And the grifters, they've. They've been so egregious and obvious that I think it's turned a lot of people up. Even rational, kind, compassionate, progressive people are like, enough. This is fucking stupid.

Yeah, yeah.

Especially when you hear like the, the anti stuff. It's not just like pro whatever you are, it's anti whatever you're not.

Yeah.

And then you realize, okay, this is not like, this is not rational. This is, this is cult like thinking. And this is a thing where if you don't agree, the punishment is very. It's very grave. Like, they'll go after you so hard if you don't agree with them, then you kind of realize what it is.

And then eventually they start to eat their own.

Yes. And so you can never be aggressive enough.

No, no, no. The mob's always going on. On, no matter who you are and how righteous you pretended to be. So. And I agree with it. Yeah. Good people with good intentions, you know, in mixed in. But I think a lot of people saw this as a terrific opportunity. Right. And I also think that what it, what it taught me was that, yes, I am racist. I hate, I hate elite progressive white people more than more. I just, I can't stand them. It's the one group that I would say that I just can't stand because they're very. There's something about him. And I feel sorry for them.

I feel, I feel, I feel like at this point in our culture, the divisions are so fucking crazy and it's so counter to what America should be standing for, which is a United States, united country, a community, a large group of people that all agree on a few very key rules, one of them being freedom. And I think that seems logical. Yeah, we gotta stop. This division is set up not by us. It's set up by world leaders. It's set up by the media. It's set up by the people who benefit from keeping us divided. Most of us agree On a lot. And one of the things you're seeing is, like, from all these USA disclosures is the mainstream media cannot ever say that anything this administration is doing is positive. So even if they find unbelievable corruption, right, and they found some really wild shit, like, what was the $4.7 trillion in untraceable money? Oh, yeah, yeah, I sent that to you, right?

Yeah, yeah, you did. Yeah, that was, that was. Doge, you know, was digging through the, you know, essentially the way that money is audited within the government and they look at the data sets and how things are divided and how you have to explain what's going on. And the idea is that there's. There, there's a lack of, of links to payments, outgoing payments, budget line items. So this payment goes out, what is it for? Right. You. I mean, it would be the same thing if you had a. Well, and I do. I have a business. And in that business you have to know what you're spending your money on. Right. I mean, that's a logical thing. I'm not a rocket scientist. But what they're saying is that they've. Well, there you go.

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If I've got, If I. It would be like if I got my monthly reports, my monthly numbers from our finance director, and I looked at it and there's the outgoing line, so I can see how much money's going out, but there's nothing that links it to where did it go? Did it go to pay a vendor? Did it go to pay rent? Did it go to pay staff?

Who bought a jet?

Who bought a jet? Yeah, by the way, when a company buys a jet, it's usually. That's a key fraud indicator.

If a company buys a jet.

If a company buys. Yeah, but not all UFC bought. Not all companies. Let me just, Let me just make a note of that. UFC jet. No, it's. What I mean is, obviously it's not like if it's Nike or, you know, an established, you know, large business, but.

You'Re making so much money you can buy a jet, right.

If you're, if you've got a business that in a space and it's a Growing business or it's a new business or a startup, whatever. A purchase of a jet usually is a fraud indicator on the list of all the fraud indicators.

But you cashed in your meme coin.

Yeah, I'm not cashing money.

Have you thought about a Mike Baker meme coin yet?

You know what? It's funny you say that.

It seems like it's legal gambling is what it is. And it seems like even though it's horrible to do and very unethical to dump it, to pump and dump it, it seems like that's legal for some weird reason, because I know that's the turmoil around the hock to a coin and that's the fear about the Trump coin. And I think. Didn't the president of Argentina do a pump and dump as well? Alleged. What did he do? What did he do, Jamie?

That is getting way messy this week. I want to speculate.

There's all sorts of shit going on. What do you think's happening?

Copy.

Zilla had a video come out, of course, late last night. He's the guy you do not want investigating your shit coin.

Yeah.

Some guy's admitting to stuff that I didn't sound. They're admitting it.

Yeah.

I don't. That's where I was. Like, I didn't even watch the videos yet.

I'm just seeing the stuff on Twitter.

We were trying to figure out as a way to do it where you don't pump and dump it, because anybody can kind of make money now, which is so strange. And we're like, we make a JRE coin. If we. What if we didn't dump it? What if we didn't pump and dump it? Like, what would it be for? What. How can you just do that?

Well, the. The regulations have not caught up yet, right? So you see that. Any. Any new. Any. Any. Any new emerging business industry technology, you know, you. I think there are people who look and go, there's an opportunity here because, you know, regulatory policy hasn't caught up, right? And so, you know, Dave Portnoy has.

Been paying attention to all this, and he's been buying coins and tweeting about them and then selling them, and he's of money and he's like, am I going to jail? Like, what. What is this? Because, you know, you're making real money, I think. Didn't he make like a million dollars off of one of them? He's involved in this, too now.

It reminds me.

He's involved in what? Which one? The Argentina thing. I don't.

That.

I. I Swear, I don't know. Well, fill me in, dog. I'm trying to find out.

I don't. Like. There's a. It's called Libra coin, I think, and I don't know.

That's the same as the Argentina liberation, and I think that's what it is going through.

Like whether or not he knew stuff before or who told him and what.

Did he know and the portnoy and.

When did he know it. Yeah, he's pretty careful. Yeah, he's pretty careful.

I doubt. I doubt he did anything illegal. Also, he's so wealthy, he doesn't have to do anything.

Illegal, I was going to say, but.

Then again, people get fucking crazy greedy.

They. Yeah, they do. How much is enough?

They hang out with other billionaires.

That's the problem. Yeah. And you're always comparing yourself to the guy who's got 3 billion, you got 1 billion, and you're not. How the fuck can you have that much money and not be happy? That's the part I don't.

Well, that's what. It gets. Weird, but I get it. Like, if I hang out with Elon Musk, I feel poor.

So does everybody else on the planet.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know, he's still the richest guy.

When you meet, like, really, really rich people, you feel poor, even if you're really wealthy.

Well, that's the funny. That's the funny thing with him. I always think, like right now, the past couple of weeks in particular, it seems like people are just losing their shit and dropping onto the fainting couch over the idea that he's accessing your private information. Right. What's he gonna do? He's accessing your private information. You think? Okay, well, first of all, I don't think the guy is looking to scam you out of 500 bucks. Right.

Yeah, the argument's good. Like he shouldn't be able to scan your information. But also, is there any evidence that he's doing that? And here's the other question. Who else has access to this?

Well, it turns out every company, a.

Lot of people have access to this. Even students that are interns who work in the department have access to this.

Yeah, I think what they're doing is they're.

They're making an argument and it's a good one. Right. If you have a. Look, if he was evil.

Yeah.

If you do have this evil billionaire who wants to control the world and has access to everyone's credit card and just steals all your money or does whatever.

Didn't that used to be Jeff? Bezos I thought. I thought he was the guy who they were focused on, who was it for a while.

But he's just ballin'jeff. Is just like, hanging out on his yacht, bagging his super hot wife, like he's having a good time.

That sounds. That sounds a lot better than like, chasing government waste and fraud, frankly.

Yeah. Remember when Elon Musk was criticizing him for not working hard enough? I'm like, wait a minute.

Yeah.

What is work for? That guy's got $200 billion. I think you can chill.

Ye.

When you get $200 billion, then it's time to get that fucking crazy yacht.

Yeah. Once you start launching your own rocket ships. Yeah.

You got a rocket shaped like a dick. You're literally trying to fuck space Austin Powers. Yeah. Have a good time. I like the way Jeff Bezos is doing it.

Yeah.

I mean, but I appreciate the fact that Elon is so psychotic in his drive. It's bizarre. But. And also in the face of overwhelming hate.

Oh, my God. It is, it is. I mean, part of me finds it very entertaining. Part of me just looks at it and goes, all you gotta. I mean, I think they. What they're having a problem is two things is the messaging and the means of doing this. Right. Everybody you would think would agree that, oh, you're gonna go through government spending with a fine tooth comb. You're gonna find the waste and abuse and fraud fantastic. Right.

Everybody gets on board with things that Clinton ran on.

Right.

And implemented during his first term.

Actually implemented, yeah.

Very effectively, by the way. And it was a huge boon to our economy.

But again, the messaging was different.

Well, it's also.

And the means were different.

The Democrats were different. That was a different kind of a Democrat. That was the kind of Democrat I would vote for right now. I'd vote for Bill Clinton, despite all the blowjobs and all the crazy shit.

Well, but you weren't involved in that.

So I think that they all did that. I think you get two types of people who want to be president. Pussy hounds and warmongers. I prefer pussy hounds.

Well, but you could be bothered.

Yes. You could be Genghis Khan.

Yeah, yeah, use both. Good use of the pronunciation, Genghis.

Well, that I was actually listening to an amazing podcast I'd love to recommend to everybody because Elon recommended it on X and I've been listening to it. It's fucking great. Fall of Civilizations podcast. They're doing a series on the Mongols right now, Terror in the Steps, and I am listening to it right now. So that's why I'm saying Genghis correctly.

Okay. No, that's great. All right.

Yeah. They even explained making a no pronunciation. They explained where it came from and how. How it got up over the years of translation into languages that didn't have Chang and they didn't have a sound. And so Genghis Khan became Genghis Khan, you know, especially when European languages started translating it.

Yeah, that makes. Yeah, everything I know about Khan I learned from Mulan.

Do you know they didn't even fucking know about this whole story until the 1800s. They. They found a Chinese book, and the Chinese book was written. They thought it was nonsense. They couldn't figure out what it was saying because it was written where the Chinese characters made the Mongol sounds of the words. And so they had to translate it from Chinese to the Mongolian language. And then they realized this was the history of Genghis Khan and the Khan empire.

Okay.

Yeah, it's fucking. The secret history of the Mongols. It's fucking amazing. This document, this. His podcast is fantastic.

Yeah, that. That's. That does sound great. Because again, I think when you consider how we're all apparently carrying some of his DNA around.

Not us.

Yeah, not us. Mostly Asians.

Right.

Okay.

Well, I have a little Asian. I mean, I have, like, 1% Asian.

Really?

Yeah, yeah. 1% Asian. Close to 2% African. It's like. But I'm from Sicily, my ancestors. And so I think. Okay, those are the ones that got raped by the moors. That's in the movie True Romance. Remember?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Christopher Walken.

Christian Slater. No, no, Christian Slayer. Christopher Walken.

Who was it with him?

True Romance. There was a whole. There's a whole series of people. A Bruce Dern. Right. Who's Dennis Hopper?

Dennis Hopper.

Dennis Hopper, that's right.

Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper, right? Is that who it was?

Yeah, that's who it was. They had. They had a. I remember that. They had a scene together.

That movie's good. Yeah, that movie's good. That is a great fucking movie.

But. But yeah, I think if. If. If they had come in. If the administration had come in and said, here's what we're going to do. We are going to root out waste and fraud. We're going to go after, you know, every dollar that's not spent on behalf of the American public and our national security and advancing American interests, and we're going to do it in this efficient, you know, manner. But, you know, and again, don't get me wrong, I think sometimes, you know, the disruption of fast action is, is extremely beneficial at times and you sometimes you can't see the benefit until other things happen outside the bubble that we may be looking in. But I think that if they had, if they had messaged it a little bit differently and then with the means of, rather than taking a blowtorch to everything because, and again, not saying that it can't be effective, but what I'm saying is that they're losing. They're losing, I think important opportunity from a goodwill perspective. And I know they probably don't give a fuck anymore, but all those people who voted right for them this time around gave them that chance that didn't the previous time.

They said, oh, fuck it, I'm so done with the Biden administration and all this bullshit. They, you know, they need to see, I think more stability, less chaos. And I think the Democrats are very good. I think we all thought perhaps that the progressives, the Democrats were just going to go into a cave and hide, but they're regrouping, right? And they're starting beards, they're growing, they're.

All getting on testosterone. Yeah.

Yeah, that's right. Suddenly the toxic male is very attractive. You know, shame they don't have any. But I think that, I think that if they, if you give them ammunition, obviously they're going to take advantage of it for sure. And I think some of the approach to this, again, not saying it's wrong in the sense of let's find that waste and fraud, but they're giving them opportunities to start firing back.

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Oh, my God. Well, the five people that watch C still, we're probably.

There's probably 20. But the thing about it is they're all united in their message, whether it's msnbc. I watched MSNBC the other day in the gym. Oh, my God, it was awesome motivation to work out because these people looked morbidly obese. And they were given. They had this language that they were speaking. It was like, almost like they were translating from another language. Like, it was all. Like, it didn't make sense. It's like, you know, we're in danger. You know we are. It was the way they were talking. It's like, my people feel. My people feel like they're in danger, like they're being criminalized. We are. You know, we're being. We're being pushed out of society. We're being told we don't exist. And then you, of course, you have to say you're an ally of the lbgtq. They're digging their heels in on all that stuff, though, which is that's not going to win anymore.

That's.

That's too crazy. Even, like, kind progressive people realize, like, you know, you've done a weird thing with. With women's sports. You've done a weird thing with the safety of women in bathrooms. And it's not to say that some of these people who are legitimate trans people, who really do just want to use the women's room and be treated like a woman. That's true, too. But you open the door for perverts, and you're not admitting that you open the door. You're just allowing guys with beards and hard dicks to wander around the women's room.

And how tough is it to just have a. Have a. Whatever. A unisex bathroom. Right. Most places. A lot of places do. Right. So you got.

Fine, as long as it's not a big bathroom. The problem is a group. If it's all single bathrooms, but that's not economically feasible at, like a stadium.

Right.

You know, and that's. That's where it becomes a problem. And then it's also this, like, weird cultural line where people like, which bathroom do you get to use? Is like. This is like a thing in Congress, right? Because there's that one trans person in Congress who, by the way, said that they do not want to use the women's rights. So it's not even an issue.

Yeah, no, I. And I think.

Notice how I said they.

That was very good. You're very sensitive. People always say that. How. God damn, Rogan is so sensitive. But I think if most folks, right, who are in alternative, you know, lifestyles, however you want to put it, I think, yeah, they just want to get on with it. Right. They want to be accepted. They don't want to make, you know, people make a fuss over. They just want to move on. And then you've got a small minority that just can't seem to get enough attention. And when they can't get enough attention, then they do something, you know, even more wacky.

I think it's a problem with a lot of the people that are, quote, unquote, leftists in general, is that they've been bullied and picked on all their life, and they've been with. And now they have a gang, and now they're gonna go fuck with other people.

It's not much of a gang, though, is it, really?

But it's online.

The words. That's true.

The words they use online, they. It's like very attacking.

Yeah.

You know, it's like this is like a core aspect of progressives right now online, is that when they're tweeting about stuff and when they're posting about stuff, it's very aggressive and very angry and insulting and that this is their way to demean whether it's Pete Hegseth or Cash Patel or any of these people that are involved, or RFK Jr. Any of these people that are involved in even Tulsi. It's like the way they're doing it. It's like it's not about policy or agreeing or disagreeing about perspectives or the way they're, they're choosing to govern. It's not that.

Well, I think they're angry because for a while, right, the mob rule was working and everybody, you know, was, was being, you know, silenced from the bullying or the fear of being bullied. So.

And it lasted for so long.

It lasted for years. You think about it.

It lasted until Elon bought Twitter. Really? Realistically.

Yeah. Yeah.

If he hadn't done that and they were all controlled by the left, do you think Facebook would have, like, loosened up their grip? No, I don't think so.

Well, look, meta Alphabet, they're all, they're all kind of rewriting, toning down their, their DEI policies. Right.

I think that's also because Zuckerberg started doing Jiu jitsu. I really do.

They start taking testosterone.

Yeah. Shout out for a change.

Yeah.

Jiu jitsu. Changed your, your mind, man. It'll change who you are. You'll realize, like, there's reality in this world.

He's looking a lot more manly.

He does looks a lot more manly. Yeah, he's got a thick neck. Now. I think that has a lot to do with it because you start looking at things from a more libertarian perspective, from a merit based perspective also, you.

Know, you're just, you're burning fuel, you're feeling better, you're. You're focused on something other than your own inner angst or how do you fit in with this? This again. Look, everybody just should be able to live their life.

Absolutely.

And that's what we all need to concentrate on.

Everybody just live. As long as you're not hurting anybody else with the way you live your.

Exactly.

Live your life. If you want to wear a dress, God bless you. Yeah, yeah, God bless everybody. Just be nice. And I think most of the people, the reason why they're not nice is because people have been not nice to them. You know, that's that old expression, hurt people. Hurt people.

Yeah.

And the way to fucking unite us is not to keep hurting people. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

No, I think. And it's simple enough. I honestly, I don't, I don't care. Someone's got an alternative lifestyle now. I don't need to play along with their imaginary idea that a dude's going to have a baby or can know.

I like breastfeed or whatever. There's this one TikTok person who trolls.

Oh God.

And I don't even know if it's a biological woman because that's one thing that the trans people are very upset with. There's a lot of like really hot only fans, girls that are pretending to be trans and they put like a fake dick in their underwear.

No. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they're like super hot. And so the actual trans people are very upset. And get ready for this. Their argument is, my identity is not a costume for you to wear. Like, wait a minute, hold on a second, hang on. Because that's a real woman, bro. You're already doing that with her. Like, and like she's just got a rubber dick in her pants for money.

There's no. There really is. No. I keep waiting for Jamie to throw one up on the screen. I'm like, oh my God. There's no. Yeah, there's no self awareness or sense of irony.

So this one lady who's like, I think it's a late. I think she's a lady who's a troll. And she said that she went to some country and got a chromosome change and a uterus installed and now she's pregnant and she like reading the comments and people are fucking going crazy. There's a bunch of like sub 90 people, IQ people in the comments just fucking having strokes.

That's. That is the best part. When somebody throws some shit out there and people buy into it, right? And they're like, yeah, well I buy.

Into some of the dumb ones. Sometimes I have to send them to Jamie. Jamie have to sort out what the is real. Now it's so hard to tell. I see things from myself that aren't real. I saw me doing or I didn't see me. I heard my voice over some narration of something of some tik Tok story and I was like, I never saw this. I never. This is not me saying this. It's all done through AI. Like, this is crazy.

You're a prime case study for the impact and effects of. And the sort of, the, the, you know, the, the downside of AI. Oh, for sure.

With my voice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I guess now with video as well. You know, if you wanted to have a podcast video of me doing something.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's pretty wild now that. I mean, we have a little bit of a problem where a bunch of people are selling like cheap things online and using my voice and we have to get them removed.

Okay.

But that's just, you know, that's his opportunists are taking advantage. You know, you're selling protein powders that I've never seen before, all that kind of shit, right. They're doing that with my voice.

I mean, there's, there's very few, we've talked about it before. There's very few because the, the idea was always sort of detection, right? Okay. We gotta create better systems to detect deep fakes.

Right?

Right. And, but now I think the focus, the focus has rightly shifted from sort of the detection to more proactive protection of material. Right. So get it at the moment of creation, embed the ability within the video clip, the audio clip, whatever, to show that you've got proof of whatever you want to call it, reality, credibility, authenticity. And that's the way it's all going. Because you just can't keep up with your. If all you're doing is trying to create better systems to detect deep fakes, it's a losing game. Right? It's like, it's like battling terrorists because, you know, you're coming up with an idea to prevent a terrorist attack based on the last terrorist attack and they're on to something else. Right. So it's, it's an interesting world. There's not that many companies out there that are doing a great job of it, but there are some.

It's going to get to a point where it's impossible to tell. And I think that's not far away.

I think we're there. Honestly. Most people aren't curious, Right? Most people are, or they don't have time, or they're not cynical. Right. And so most people are willing to look at something and go, yeah, you know, I mean, unless it's just clearly bullshit. But for the most part, if it's, if it's a half decent fake. Right. I think most people will accept it and move on.

I like the ones that are, they're obvious, they're really good, but they're obvious fakes. Like, do you see the one with Kamala Harris after she lost the presidency? She's wearing a bikini top, walking with a beer, says unemployed.

Yeah. Yeah, that's good.

I mean, but it's obvious that it's not real.

Yeah.

So it's okay. Like the ones where Trump's playing the guitar and then there's all these other people, like Putin's in the background with the drums. Have you seen that one?

That is good. There, there's, there's one where I haven't, I don't think I've seen the one with him playing the drums. But I've seen them where there's a whole series of world leaders and they're, they're, they're in a ballad together. Yeah, it's fantastic.

Yeah. The, the one with Trump playing guitar. It's. I think they're doing. It's Fortunate, son. Right, right. It is, right. I think it's on my. It's on my Instagram. Right.

Credence Clearwater.

It's so good. And it's obviously fake. Yeah, that's why I like it. It's like, it's not tricking me, but I'm like, wow, that's really good.

It's. I mean, it's. And it's interesting. I mean, again, talk about regulatory policy not catching up. I mean, what do you do? Right? I mean, like, like, if you were in Europe, right, you could, you, you know, you could be fined and jailed, right, for. In, in a case for, like, pushing something that. That's disinformation or whatever or just, or you're just goofing, right?

But you can't goof.

But you can't. You know, if it's an obvious. To your point, if it's an obvious goof, then, okay, you can probably get away with maybe not if you're in Germany or somewhere, but Germany's going crazy. They are going crazy. And they weren't happy with JD Vance's speech, I'll tell you that much.

I wonder why.

Nobody in the EU was happy. The head of the Munich Security Conference literally cried after the speech when they were addressing EU leaders following the speech. Right. Talking about, you know, the impact and what it might have meant for us, EU relations and everything. Literally tears being shed over. Over JD Vance's speech.

What was it about his speech in particular that was offensive?

Well, I think what they were anticipating at the Munich security conference was he was going to come in and he was going to talk about, obviously, the number one topic on the table for them was Ukraine. Right. And, you know, where are we going with that? Because obviously the EU leaders are now very concerned about US Commitment to NATO. What is the Trump administration, you know, planning on doing in terms of further support for Ukraine, really? Further support for NATO? Are they looking to distance themselves? And Vance instead came in and didn't really focus on any of that shit. He turned it on onto the European Union, into EU countries in the UK and UK in particular, talking about how, you know, their biggest threat isn't necessarily Russia or China. Their biggest threat is what they're doing to themselves in terms of suppressing free speech from all the various groups out there, including conservative groups, the far left, whatever, determining that, you know, this type of speech is illegal. We're gonna pursue you, we're gonna fine you, we're gonna jail you. Armed raids against people that are, you know, pushing content online. So he made.

Including anti immigrant content.

Anti immigrant content. But to be fair. Right. I mean, most of Europe at this point is pretty fed up with the immigration policies that their leaders have, which.

Is why they wan. The. The dissent online.

Exactly.

They're not doing it because they genuinely think this is a moral and ethical thing to do. They're doing it because they sense an uprising.

Yeah. And. And, and they rightly should. Look, Olaf Schultz, the German chancellor, he's not getting reelected, and their election is coming up here and shortly.

Yeah.

And so he's not. It's. That's not going to happen for him. So I think. Yeah, they're rightly. Not rightly, but they are concerned about their own political power. That's. That's what it is.

And that's what people need to understand.

Rocket science.

It's not that the Europeans are the kinder, more progressive. No. This is like they understand that it's coming.

Yeah.

And they want to do everything they can to stop it. Because most people are fed up. Most people just want to be left the alone.

Yeah.

And if you tell them that they can't put a flag meme on one of their Facebook pages or they get arrested, which is what happened in Germany.

Yeah. Yeah. Or talk about. So if you talk about the immigration problem and you say, look, we got to stop this. We got to, you know, maybe secure borders. If you talk about the Ukraine war and say, I don't think we should be supporting, you know, dumping more resource into Ukraine, all those things. Or reproductive rights, if you're on the wrong side of that from a European perspective, you know, they're coming after you in a sense. And so that's what J.D. vance came after. He turned the tables on them and focused on that. And that was a. It was completely unexpected. B, I think, you know, the reality of it, the fact that it's truthful, I think upset a lot of them.

It's truthful. And it also appeals to their citizens.

Citizens.

That's the thing. The citizens say, this is the way we want our government to talk.

Yeah. And I think it's funny because a lot of people on, you know, there's a lot of people on social media right now going, oh, my God, you don't realize how hated, you know, you are now as Americans. And the US Is so hated. And I think, look, I spent most of my time overseas, right. And most people are going, yeah, it seems like it's common sense. You guys are finally coming around. Right. And so I don't think they're going to win the argument that somehow the US Is more hated. Look, we've been hated in a variety of locations.

We definitely are hated in Canada. Canada right now. Oh, yeah. We're booing the national anthem so hard. Oh, they get in three fights in the first nine minutes.

Yeah.

And then we kick Canada's ass hard. Canada. In Canada. Which is not good because that's their sport. It's basically their only shot at beating us at anything.

Yeah. Curling. Curling.

They might be able to win at that.

Yeah.

If we practice it, we'd be better at that, too.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like, they make great mixed martial arts fighters. One of the greatest of all time, George St. Pierre's from Canada.

Yeah.

But after that, let me think, get your football team. Come fuck with America.

I'm trying to think of other things that I could throw out there.

Nothing. Maybe baseball.

They got Blue Jays, really good Molson.

Yeah. They have strong beer.

Yeah. They have great people.

I love Canada. I love the people.

Likewise. Yeah.

It's just they, they're too nice. And they let communists run their country.

Yeah.

And that guy's a communist.

Well, it is. It is one of those moments where you think, okay, I understand. I get your point. You know the talk about turning Canada into a 51st, that's a little crazy. That's a little crazy. It's a little crazy.

He's serious. He told me on the phone he was serious. Yeah, well, first I was joking around, but then I was thinking maybe it's not a bad idea. Now I think he keeps talking him, refers to him as Governor Trudeau. It's so funny.

You know what I love is, is like, I, I, I was just out of the Middle east for some, some things, including the, the, the amazing trek with the guys from the SF Club. And it was right during the period of time when President Trump announced his idea during that press conference with Netanyahu about, look, we're gonna, we're gonna own the US Is gonna own Gaza.

Did you see look on Netanyahu's face when he was saying that?

Yes. Priceless.

What in the fuck I know did I get into?

And now, you know what they're all doing? The Israeli cabinet is fully on board with the idea, in part because I think they understand that, okay, look, this is probably not gonna happen, but if we take this position, right, it's, it's going to create chaos, it's going to create some movement, right? And maybe that leads to something of interest. And I think when being out in the Middle east when that idea came out and hearing some of the responses from people out there was, was amazing. But what I, what I like about it, look, you're not going to move 2.3 million Palestinians out of Gaza, right? Because none of the Arab states want them. The Egyptians have fought against this idea for years and years and years.

That's a good point. And some, that maybe a lot of people aren't aware of, of is that the wall on the side of Egypt is way bigger than the wall on the side of Israel. That is an impenetrable wall that's heavily guarded. They do not want Palestinians coming into Egypt, which is kind of crazy.

Well, from their perspective, look, it's a security issue and there's a lot of Palestinian refugees in Jordan. So it's not like Jordan hasn't tried to do their part, but they also, what are they going to do? Absorb another million, two million Palestinians? No, so, so the problem from an operational perspective is it's unlikely to happen, right? And also, do you really want the US buying and owning Gaza, right? And then being out there, you think that the cost of supporting Ukraine is high? Wait till you see what the cost of not only the reconstruction, but the security of the reconstruction, right? What that's going to mean. You think there was a boon in private security contractors during the Iraq incursions? This will be, you know, this will make that look like nothing, right? So they gotta guard their investment, so. Exactly. So the costs involved, the potential for, you know, just never ending trouble. But, but what I do like about it is, look, now that the Arab states are responding by having a summit, right? They're having a summit the end of this month and they've already, they've been having little mini discussions amongst themselves.

But, but all the key players in the area are now meeting to discuss what's an alternative, right? What is the way to make this happen. And it's not going to be by the US owning it and building the Riviera, right? Or a series of casinos. But the Arab states are having to react. And so what that means is nothing's worked beforehand, right? Nothing in terms of two state option, other security agreements, peace agreements that have held for some period of time and then falling apart. None of that shit's worked worked. So I think sort of the disruptive aspect of sometimes of what Trump does, even though you may look at the idea on the surface and go, it's not going to work, you have these other effects, right? And so now you've got the Arab states having to respond, coming up with these ideas. They're already over the past couple of days saying, well, Hamas can't play a role. If you had said that a year ago, Egypt and Qatar and some of these other Arab states out there would have have gotten on board with the idea that Hamas has got to go, that wouldn't have happened.

Right. I mean, before the 7th of October attacks.

Right. They're also talking about rebuilding it themselves. They're like, well, we'll do it, we'll do it. Just back off. We'll do it. We'll take care of it, which is great. And that's when they have to say, Hamas can't be a part of it.

Right? That's because they know what the problem is and they haven't been willing to admit it before. But because the Trump administration just thrown stuff at the wall to see what sticks, they've got to respond. And so now they're coming up with these ideas. Look, Hamas, you know, they are a shell of what they were, right? But they're still supported by the Iranian regime, which is a big problem. Right. And the Iranian regime, you know, do you think they don't want peace? They don't want stability? Right? That's not in the books. One of the benefits, from their perspective of the seven October attacks was that it completely scuttled the, the, the normalization talks that were going on between Saudi and, and Israel in the US at the time. So, you know, they're gonna, they're gonna continue to be a problem. But Hamas, you know, is, is now kind of on its back foot. The Palestinian Authority is, is saying, well, we'll come in and we'll govern Gaza. Well, the Israelis are saying, no, no, that's not going to happen either, because you guys are, you know, peas in a pod. Right. And, and, you know, Palestinian Authority has a program where they actually pay the families of people who kill Israelis.

Right. What's. It's called a pay to slay program.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that's what it's called.

Yep. Pay to slay.

How much do you get paid?

You know what, I'm not sure what the going rate is now, but, you know, for out there, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's a, it's A payment, ongoing payments to families who have family members who have attacked, wounded, or killed Israelis. And so, you know that. Plus, you know, other ties between Hamas and the pa. And, look, there's been animosity. Obviously, Hamas drove the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza years ago, but, you know, the Israelis see it as the same. And so, you know, my point being is the Arab states are now reacting, and you could end up with something that actually works, as opposed to all the bullshit in the past that never did work and always. And continued to, you know, provide nothing for the Palestinian people. People. And if, you know, if you say, look, all this is about is we want the Palestinians to live a better life, then you should want new ideas thrown at the wall. Right? And you should want something that eventually is going to work. And from a US Perspective, you should want something where the Arab states actually take it on board themselves.

There's also a problem with the reality of the region at this point. Right. It's like, what do you want to happen to that area? Because someone has to rebuild it. Look, absolutely. Israel shouldn't have done what they did and kill who knows how many innocent people and literally destroy most of the buildings there. We all can agree that's a horrible thing, but it's done. So now what?

Yeah, and we can also agree that it was not. Look, yeah, I agree. It was a very aggressive action. I would argue that the US Would engage in that same aggressive action if we had had a proportionate, you know, attack from Mexico. Yeah, yeah, so. Or Canada.

Right.

Goddamn Canadians. They're plotting something. I just know it. So if. If, you know. So that's true. But again, it was a war that Hamas started. Right? They. You know, I think you have to go back to the beginning of this one. And, yes, there's fault on both sides, of course, but, you know, Hamas now, at times, has been acting like the aggrieved party.

It's fuck around and find out in the worst way possible.

Yeah.

That's what it is. I mean, they gave Israel the green light to just go ham. And now when you see the overhead drone footage of what God looks like now, it's hard to even believe that it's real. It's everything gone.

Yeah. Which is. Which I get it. I mean, from a real estate developer's perspective, I'm sure he's seen overhead imagery.

Right into the Mediterranean of the Middle East.

This looks like a demolition site. So let's. Let's clear it out.

The real question is, if that doesn't occur, okay, then what Then you don't want that to happen. Then what if the United States doesn't take it over? Or who. Who should? And what do you do with it? And how do you get the money to rebuild it? And where does it come from? And how do you do it? Who. Who do you bring in to rebuild it? Who governs it? How does that work? Who gets what building? How does it work?

Yeah, you know, there's.

It's a very complicated thing when you destroy an entire fucking city.

Yeah.

Which is. See if you can find some of that overhead footage.

And when you. Yeah, and when you're talking about, you know, moving out 2.3 million people to other areas. But I. Look, I think again, the answer is that the. The Arab states have to take this on. Right? They finally have to address this issue. They've used the palace, some of them have used the Palestinian issue to their own devices without doing anything to their benefit of the Palestinians.

Look at this footage. This is unbelievable. I mean, this looks like they got hit with an asteroid.

Yeah.

It's unbelievable. The scope of it. It's just insane. Yeah, it's insane to see.

Yeah.

Dave Smith had a very good take on this. He was on one of those Piers Morgan everybody yells at everybody panels, which are really fun for about five minutes. Let me send Jamie, what Dave said, because Dave had, in my opinion, the best take on this. Where it's like. You see, you're like, okay, yeah, yeah, that's. That's correct. This is. This is the way to look at it, I think, because it's like. Yeah, it's.

It's. Look, it's. Again, I think you. Unless I don't know who would be on board. Take the. Take it from, you know, the beyond. This sort of the initial sentence of the US Will take ownership. Oh, here we go.

I'm guessing if this is it.

I don't know if I. Is that Dean Cain on the right? No. Yeah, it is.

Yes.

Superman.

I don't know if this is the right rant. I didn't click it from you. Yeah.

The one you sent. If you just said.

Yeah, click the one I said, it might. It's probably the same one.

I love sometimes. I love these Piers Morgan panels. You never know who you're gonna show up in one of those boxes. And it's a bizarre mix of people. Okay. Yeah. This is like the commentary for Wimbledon where we just don't say anything. Pictures of Gaza.

Are you telling me there was Hamas. There were Hamas missiles in every single.

One of those buildings that that's the entirety of the story, is that Israel just had to blow up this building, which, by the way, still I don't think would be morally justified.

But like, come on, man, look like it's just. Again, even to Dean's point, I always.

Find this fascinating because somehow Americans could say this about out the people in.

Hamas and go, like, you know, like.

You said, yeah, I wouldn't like to be kicked out of my neighborhood, but.

If my, if my government had done.

October 7th, I'd accept it.

Your government, Dean, destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.

Syria, Somalia, Yemen, the drone bombing campaign in Pakistan. So, like, what are.

Can you get kicked out of your house now? Is it not ethnic cleansing if we were to kick you out of your neighborhood?

This is so ridiculous that we impose.

These, These standards on these poor people.

That we would never dream of holding.

Ourselves to that standard.

It's just. It logically makes absolutely no sense.

And it doesn't really matter what Hamas's approval rating is, in the same way.

That it doesn't matter that George W. Bush had record high approval ratings.

That doesn't mean that the innocent civilians of the United States of America are fair game. And neither should any other group of civilians. Perfectly said.

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, look, if you could do surgical strikes and do nothing but kill Hamas terrorists, great, but, you know, that's not the real world. Dave's talking about a world that we don't exist in. I would argue this is where we would differ. I like Dave Smith a lot, and I think he's incredibly intelligent. But we fundamentally look at things sometimes in a different worldview because of our experiences. And my experience has been dealing with a lot of hostile actors who, you know, you may look at and think, okay, well, can't we just. I don't say we'll get along, but they exist and we exist and do we really there. That's not the world we work in. Right. And urban combat is really ugly. It's not dismissing, you know, the horrific nature of it and the fact that, yeah, sure, in a perfect world, it's morally repugnant, and it is, you know, but. But it's the world that we live in. So I think, okay, on one hand, I get what he's saying, and I don't disagree on that moral side of things. But, you know, from my background, I don't tend to live in that world.

I tend to live in sort of the operational side of things. And, you know, sometimes you have to do things that are not good.

But even as extreme as that well.

Yeah, that's the thing.

It's so extreme.

Oh, I know. And I don't disagree. And they have. Have they. They went above and beyond. There's no doubt about it. But to my point, and I think to kind of what he was saying, look, we, you know, if. If we did after 9, 11. Right. And we. We went above and beyond, you know, from a proportionate standpoint, and we felt certainly justified in doing it. Right. We did. I mean, we did. I mean, America finally came together as a group. Right. As opposed to sort of the partisan way that we live now. But.

But we were justified based on a lie, which is even crazy because they used that justification and went after a group of people that had nothing to do with it based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction.

Yeah.

Which is even crazier.

Right.

We went to a completely different country.

Yeah. Well, I think Hamas also, you know, these are disjointed statements, and I'm not really tying it all together very well at all. But. But, you know, there's also this element that Hamas doesn't give a shit about the Palestinian citizens. Right. The civilians. I mean. And you know, if they did, they wouldn't conduct their. Their operations. Their methodology would be different. Right. They wouldn't. They wouldn't bury themselves in their operations and their command centers and everything that they do. Right. Their. Their depots, their missile weapons supply centers within the public environment. Right. They just wouldn't. Right.

Well, they probably never expected this.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't.

There's no way they would have done October 7th if they expected this response.

Well, there's no way that Iranian regime, I think, would have allowed them to do this if they. If they anticipated they would get this sort of response. So I think you're right. But, you know, and again, you know, this is the problem, people, that people only hear what they want to hear. Right. So they hear. They hear me say, from an operational perspective, I kind of. I understand that they had an aggressive response, but then they stopped listening. Right. And so what I'm saying is, was it over the top? Well, yes, it was over the top. And could they have been more surgical about this? Well, yes, they certainly could have. Could they have prevented some loss of civilian life? Well, yes. Would that have been difficult? Well, yes. Why? Because Hamas puts themselves in the center of civilian life there. They know this is what's going to happen. This is their currency, dead Palestinians that drives their narrative, and they always know it's going to turn against the Israelis as We're having these discussions, that's what happens. And they've got enough of a track record to know that's what's going to happen. So they use it to their advantage.

But, you know, again, it doesn't excuse the killing. I keep coming back to that same thing. You could have, you know, disparate, multiple, you know, thoughts in your head at the same time, right? You can feel bad about that and at the same time you can go, yeah, it was fucked up what they did. On the 7th of October, you're going to go after Hamas and then what you're going to find is urban combat is really, really fucking ugly, right? And you're going to have casualties that you really, really regret having were there more than needed. I would say yes, they didn't need the extent of their response, but I understand their mindset debt for why they went so hard after Hamas. This is decades and decades built up saying, no more. Right? We can't put up with this anymore. Now again, the problem is, the problem is not that it's not really Hamas. I keep going back to the same thing. The problem is that the instigator of all this trouble, the instigator of the vast majority of chaos and instability and violence and death in that region is the Iranian regiment regime. Most Arab states will agree to that.

Maybe not the Yemenis. Right. You know, but most of those Arab states are not going to be sad to see the Iranian regime fall for this very reason. Everybody wants a better life, right? However they perceive it, the Iranian regime, you know, the mullahs and the irgc, they've got a stated objective and they are pursuing that. As long as those people are in charge, you know, ultimately we're not going to get a big sea change here. We're not going to get a huge shift in the way things go. But if you want a better life, then you got to look to the, whatever you want to call it, the head of the snake or the, you know, the top of the mountain. There they are, the Iranian regime driving a lot of this chaos. So anyway, I'm getting away from the point, but I don't disagree with Dave. I always like a lot of the things that he says. I just think that we come at it sometimes from a much different perspective. I don't tend to believe that the world is full of good actors who are just trying to, to create a.

Community of nations perspective either.

I don't. I. Well, yeah, yeah, I'm not putting it, I'm not putting it well, but I think what I mean is that there's. It's not what. I was having a conversation the other day, and it was about. It was about US Involvement in a variety of groups, activities, associations over the years, looking to topple governments, looking to change, you know, the direction of a government, all the nefarious things that the CIA has been accused of over the years. And I was like, well, God damn, what did you expect? Of course that's what we're doing. Right? Of course we're. Of course, we're trying to influence hearts and minds. Of course we're infiltrating organizations to try to influence the direction of a government that, you know, you go all the way back to the Cold War. Right, right. We were convinced the Russians or the Soviets were going to blow us to hell. Right. Of course we're going to be doing a variety of things. You want a government over there that's more friendly to you. Okay. How are we going to go about doing that? Right. If that means VOA or Voice of America, or that means infiltrating some organization that's going to try to win them.

Yeah. So, you know, is that morally repugnant? I don't know.

You know, you think it's necessary?

I think there's. There's a. I think it's understandable and I think also.

So imagine a world without that. So if that is a vacuum and we stop doing that entirely, altogether, does that vacuum get filled up by another power?

Yeah, yeah, that's. This is the problem. Right? That's the problem is that we don't live in a world of benign nations who, like, if we're not the police, you know, at the top of the food chain, nobody needs to be there. Someone's gonna fill that. That gap. And you know what? Maybe I'm. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been around a long time and I've spent most of it overseas in unusual places. We make a lot of mistakes as a country. It's a human endeavor, but we do try to correct. And it can take time.

Right.

It can take a lot of time. We make a lot of mistakes. Of course we do. But I've seen a lot of players out there, and I'd rather have us and our ally trying to direct traffic rather than some of the hostile actors that are out there, because I don't.

This is the best case scenario perspective. Worst case scenario perspective is that these policy changes that we are initiating and that we are influencing is for corporations to make more money, is to control resources. And to control areas and to make things friendlier for business. That's the worst case scenario. Is this is done with mercenary fashion. Yeah, but is that, but that's what.

I mean, that's what.

But is that Chinese? Here's my question. Is that just what happens like when you do have the ability to control other regimes? Isn't it almost, doesn't it almost logical that you are, you're going to need a lot of money and you're going to need a lot of influence to do that. And so there's going to be a bunch of people say actually we could use some of those minerals.

Minerals.

Actually, you know that natural gas is very valuable. Actually, if we could destabilize Russia's energy systems and you know, pump up Ukraine's and control it, that'd be pretty good. And so then we start initiating things and we start the coup in Ukraine in 2014 and a bunch of different things, we started helping things along that would benefit us both geopolitically but also geopolitically in the sense that like you're controlling the geology of the land, which is the real term, geopolitical, right? Yeah, that's the real term. Right. Doesn't it have to do with like controlling regions?

Well, sure, yeah. And I think that it's. Yeah, you're talking about national self interest, right. I think in, in the world that we actually live in, every country is acting in its own self interest.

So then it's also national self interest that's kind of prostitute by corporations. This is what people are worried about is that we engage in certain activity that's avoidable simply for profit.

Yes, absolutely. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I think, look, it's just what happens.

When you have a system like this, right. When you can influence foreign governments and you do have enormous amounts of resources and you do have the ability to change things and install a government that's more friendly to.

But if you're not going to do that, let me go back to the. I'll go to the Cold War because that's probably our best example of what happens when you get. Because you actually had. It wasn't just a unipolar world, right? You had the Soviets and you had the U.S. yes, there was concern over, you know, life itself. There was this concern over mutual destruction, but there was concern over influence. So the Soviets were busy in a variety of places. Let's pick Africa. Right. So in the mid to late 50s, right, as Africa was moving, you know, clearly strongly away from colonialism, right? And independent states started, you know, sprouting up. Then there was this concern over, well, okay, the old colonial era is gone, right? The Belgians aren't going to own the Congo as an example. The Congo is rich in resources, right? Uranium, cobalt, you know, diamonds, obviously, but let's take uranium. The Belgians were running Congo when we were developing the bomb, and almost all that uranium came from the Congo, right? So. So that's a good example of the US looking and saying, okay, are the Belgians good stewards of the Congo?

Well, no, Right. They were enslaving people and having them work in the uranium mines. We were taking that uranium and using it to build the bomb, the Manhattan Project. Now all those years later, I mean, the Congo realized its independence, you know, Patrice Lumumba and all the rest of that history. But now the Congo is wrapped up in conflict still. Why is it still in conflict? Because of its minerals. Cobalt now is the key, right? I mean, uranium you can get from a variety of places, Australia and elsewhere, Kazakhstan and variety of other locations. But cobalt, they've got maybe 60%, don't quote me on that, but I think it's about that. Of the world's cobalt supply, what do you need cobalt for? Well, electric vehicles, batteries. So now the eastern Congo is still in conflict. That place is a mess. So if it's not the poorest, it's like the second or third poorest country in the world.

And isn't most of those mines they control by China?

Well, a lot of them are controlled on the eastern side by militias. Right. Congo's been a difficult place for everybody to try to wrap up licensing agreements. Right? But you know, you've got 100 plus militias out there vying for control because it's money, right? And so I guess my point is, I mean, and you know, it's good you brought up China because, yes, they've been busy trying to lock up a variety of locations in terms of critical minerals. And they've got a monopoly on refining those minerals, essentially at this point in time. But I just think it's, it's. Yeah, maybe what I'm surprised by, because I'm so fucking cynical is, you know, the idea when you say, you know, it's corporate interests, it's government interests, it's self interest of a nation, you know, to pursue and do these things. I'll be honest with you. I look at it and go, well, yeah, of course it is. I don't know any other world, right? I don't know that we're not going to walk that dog back over, you know, a couple thousand years, you know, people have been doing the same thing. All human existence, I would argue.

Right.

So I just got to look at it. And I, and I, and I, you know, maybe because I'm not wired that way, I don't sit around and go, that's wrong. We have to rail against this. Yeah. I'm a very simple person. So I look at and go, yeah, that's how it works. And goddamn right, I'd rather be on the top of the heap than, you know, not. And, you know, as long as we're.

So this is like a pragmatic perspective, I guess. Your experience overseas and your understanding of how these things are done is that if we don't do something, if we don't act in some way to influence these governments and control these regions and do whatever we can to make sure that our interests are being. That we are the ones that are kind of directing the way things go.

Right. I would rather be directing how things are going than not.

And, and those are the two options.

Those. I think those are the two options because we're not going to live as a community of nations. What are we going to do? I mean, you know, hold hands and say, okay, everybody's going to live as a collective. Right. Right. You know, so I, I, you know, I know that, you know, there's all. I'm sure there's all sorts of flaws in the way that I'm thinking, but I'm a very civil person. When I was in operations, you tell me what to do, I'll do it. Right. I never sat around and got angsty about anything because I just didn't see any point in it. And so, again, pragmatic. Yeah, yeah. Or just being a douchebag.

Well, there's a lot of people listening to probably come to that conclusion.

Yes, I think you're right.

Yeah. This is the reality of that job. Right. And this is the reality of international relations.

Yeah. I just, you know, and, and look, I'll tell. I tell you something. Look, there are people, people over the years, I think, you know, the CIA leadership at times over the years, I'm talking, you know, you know, all the way back to World War II and, you know, beyond, certainly during the Cold War. Allen Dulles is a good example of that, where, you know, they legitimately would sit around and say, well, I, you know, as far as I know, we're not in the business of overthrowing countries, you know, and you think, like, well, that's Bullshit. Of course, of course that's what, you know, we're trying to do. We're trying to influence countries because we want them on our side. We want to create friendly governments that, yes, will be beneficial to our national security, our economic interests, all those things. So I've always been puzzled also by people who try to minimize that in a sense. Right. I mean, you know, if you're doing something, then goddammit, maybe own up to it. It's like John Brennan, who was a director at the Agency, Right. He's a relatively well known former CIA official for a handful of reasons.

He was very tight in the Obama administration. Administration. But he said one time, I forget what year it was. But anyway, he talked about the business of the CIA and says, we don't steal secrets. God damn it. Of course we steal secrets. That's the point of the exercise. Right. You think the FSB or the Chinese intel apparatus isn't stealing secrets? What the fuck?

Why was he saying that?

Oh, he's trying, you know, it's a kind of gentler nation. Right. He's trying to like sugar coat, you know. That was a laughable statement. Right.

Well, why would you say something that's objectively true?

I have no idea. Well, I mean, because again, or objectively false, I should say, maybe it's the world you want to live in, you know, instead of the one that we actually do have.

Right. But when you're doing it publicly, that's not what you're doing. It's a PR exercise.

It's a PR exercise.

You're kind of pretending that we're different than what we are.

Yeah. Or you're trying to. Or you're trying to convince yourself. Who knows? I don't understand the thinking. I just know what he said. But I think it's an interesting comment from, you know, the director of an intelligence organization, you know, that is in the business of stealing secrets.

So I'm sure you, you've seen Mike Ben's take on USAID and what USAID was really all about. And his perspective is that it's for everything that's too dirty for the CIA. He send us aid. Do you think there can be a rational argument, though, that a lot of these things that seem ridiculous, like sending all this money to influence the votes in Pakistan or in India, and then we look at it like, why are we spending $21 million on education here and $2 million there, and these things are actually beneficial to the United States as a whole? Because even though we're spending exorbitant amounts of money. The results we're getting is we are maintaining peace by being in control of certain areas where someone else would come over and then you would get a regime that's not friendly to our interests.

Yeah, yeah, look, I mean, usaid, traditionally, they were set up, what, during the Kennedy administration as a, you know, as an independent organization. Right. Because at the time, I think that the thinking was. And they're not the only one that set up as an independent agency. But, you know, at the time, the thinking was we don't want it to be seen as like the US Administration is picking and choosing and driving sort of where the money's going. Which, again, is, you know, it's kind of a strange way of doing things. Right. It's coming from the fucking US Government. Right. So. So people aren't going to parse words or discern somehow that, okay, well, it's an independent agency. So I guess it's not really what the administration wants. It's what the USAID wants. So, you know, is it, you know, were dollars going into programs that the idea was, can we. Can we turn this country around? Can we change, you know, who is in charge? Is it Lumumba? Is it Sukarno? Is it, you know, God, pick any number of folks during that period of time and create a government that's more friendly to our interests.

Again, I look at that and go, well, yeah. Is USAID also projecting, whatever they call it, soft power, diplomatic power? Well, sure. That's another way of phrasing it, I suppose. Were they also doing things like feeding the poor, providing medicines out there, doing actually legitimate things that I think sometimes people in a righteous world are like, well, that's exactly what they should be doing. Well, yeah, they should be doing that. We should be. You know, the USAT has got a lot of important programs that they run, Right. That actually help people around the world who don't have many options.

So I think what the perspective of this administration has stated is that they're going to review all these programs and keep the useful ones.

Yes.

And I think they're going to run it through the State Department. Right?

They're going to run it. Yeah. They're going to slim it down. They've already started. It'll be run through the State Department. Great idea. Right. Take off that. Don't, don't pretend. Right. I mean, this, this. It's a US Government agency. What do you. That people are going to assume, some people will assume the worst no matter what. Right. But, yeah, fine. Again, under the same theory that you. What you do is you go in and you say, we're going to go through every program. We're going to keep the ones that are important. And I would argue that's. That's food aid, health aid, you know, whatever it may be. And, you know, shit, can all those others then, you know, being really helpful.

You mean like the $251 million on transgender animal studies?

Yeah. Is that helpful or not?

You know, well, they have to figure out how to do those operations.

Yeah, no, I think. I think that. Yeah. So there's. There. Is there waste in there? Of course there's waste, but. And are there programs in there that were designed.

So it's the baby with the bathwater. Is that what it is?

Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, That's. That's the point is, I think going in there and calling it all waste and fraud and a criminal organization, I think, is not the right message. I think that the American public would be fully on board if you simply said, again, we're going through. We're going to find the waste. We're going to, you know, we're going to focus on those programs that help people around the world legitimately.

But I think the problem is the people that are opposed to this administration are never going to see the good in anything that comes out, even if it does uncover undeniable fraud. I think we're just so dug in now, especially the fog of war post election, which seems real in this country. This fog of hate on both sides, gloating on the right and bitterness and anger and hyperbole as to the extent of what's happening on the left. It's all a constitutional crisis and a destruction of democracy and a real dictator that's in place. And all the things that they feared coming into this election now have come to light in their eyes.

Yeah, no, I. Again, yeah, that's. And that is the messaging that's gone out. You can see them coalesce around it. You know, I think the first weeks after the election, there was confusion and, you know, sort of a. They were going through that grief cycle on the. On the left. But now I think you're seeing that they are, you know, coming together on that messaging. I think they're. Now they're starting to get more focused. They probably understand they'll probably take the House in two years, so they're getting their shit together again. Again. But I think that, you know, and on the right side, I think, you know, you'd like to think that, you know, the gloating is. Is a bit unnecessary. Right. You won. Focus on, on getting shit done.

Now, not only it's counterproductive.

It's counterproductive. Yeah.

And it just fuels the other side.

Yeah.

Stupid. It's like, this should be a uniting time for our country.

Well, you again, you. And you would think that creating a more efficient government, government would be a uniting concept, Right? And I think it could be. But I keep going back to that same thing. I've never been particularly impressed with the messaging. And I get it when I say that people always, you know, on the right come after me and go, oh, God. Well, that's what makes maga. Maga, you know, that's what makes, you know, Trump. Trump is, you know, just. And I don't disagree with sort of, again, the benefits sometimes of being disruptive, but I do think that, you know, you can't just look at USAID and say, it's all. It's a big old criminal organization. Right. You should be a little bit more, I mean, Kevin O'Leary, you mentioned him earlier. You know, for all that talk, I guarantee you if he was, you know, if he had a large company, he wouldn't just shit can everything right off the bat. I know. You know, maybe that's his implication.

I think he's talking about failing companies.

Failing companies.

When you take over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, you cut more out than even you think is necessary, and then you figure out what you need.

But he would go through, there would be a thoughtful initial review phase in a corporate environment. I think I would argue that, that even he would do that. He's not just going to pull the pin and throw it in the room and say, okay, now let's see what we actually need.

Well, isn't what this administration has done is putting a pause on everything and that now and then they're doing an audit of things and then a review.

But that's not the way it comes across because in part because the media is not, like you said, they're not going to give them a break. Right. So even if they said that, that's what we're doing. And here's how we're doing here are the people on the transition team. I mean, you know, who are the people on Elon's Doge team? Right? I mean, can you name half a dozen of them?

Big balls.

Big balls. Okay, all right, fair enough. There's big balls.

There's the kid who deciphered those scrolls from Pompeii using AI yeah. Genius. I mean, they're very. It's very interesting because the approach is essentially, he's mimicking the approach that Elon used at Twitter. Just, you're, you're saying, okay, I'm going to cut out 90% of this and see how it works.

Yeah, I just think that. And again, you know, you got to go after the waste, the fraud. Is there bloat? Of course there's bloat. The government go after it.

So your perspective is that of course there's waste, of course there's fraud. But if you don't understand international relations, if you don't understand this long tradition of supporting regimes that are. Have our interests in mind, if we don't do that, someone else will. They'll gain control of these areas. This is just the reality of the world that we live in. And we should be influencing other countries.

Yeah, that said a lot better than I could say it. But, yeah, that is, that's what I'm saying. On the international front, on the domestic front, I'm just saying, you know, you know, go through all these organizations. Right. But, you know, don't give the other side the ammunition to say, you guys are, you're firing useful people. Right. I hear this all the time now in the past few weeks. It's like, oh, my God, they let this entire group of people who are going, working on women's health issues and, you know, and they're just, they're giving them ammunition that they don't need to by virtue of the way that they're going about it. And again, go about it, do it. So all I'm saying is it's, it's, it's the means of which they're doing it. You can accomplish the same task and you can accomplish it quickly. Right. It's not like your review process.

How could you review USAID while this is all going on, while they're still able to spend money? Because they're still able to. If there is corruption, if they're still able to dump a bunch of money into a bunch of different projects and funnel stuff around and move stuff into this, these areas where it can't be traced, which is apparently where at least some of it goes.

Yeah, I would want. Look, if you're doing a, if you're doing a corporate fraud investigation, you don't walk in and say it's fraud everywhere. Here, right. Where everybody's going. No, you don't. You go in and you do your investigation because you don't know what the iceberg Looks like you don't know what's underneath the surface. So you want to be able to go through it in a methodical way. And you know, if you walk into the World bank and say we think there's fraud here in this, in this department over here, right. And the World bank isn't just as an aside, they have to, if they think there's fraud somewhere, they have to notify the people that they suspect of fraud that they're going to initiate a fraud investigation before they do it. Right, right. How fucked up is that?

Pretty, Pretty crazy.

Pretty crazy. So, so anyway, that's a little time. Give them a little time. So, you know, I don't know. You know, again, I respect the fact that they're, they're actually making the effort. I think that's great. Right. I just, I'm not sure that it's, you know, there's an immovable object in Washington D.C. made up of lobbyists, defense contractors, self interested politicians. Right. They're all like, like this. Right. And, and Doge is obviously, you know, bumping up against them, particularly when, when they start now talking about Pentagon spending. So I guess my point is it's complex. I don't know that blowing it up and then saying we're going to rebuild it. It's like when Cash Patel or anyone else for an organization, they talk about the FBI, let's get, raise it to the ground and start over. What you got thousands and thousands of hard working street agents out there doing very important work. Right. You can't just say, okay, we're suspending 30% of them. You got to go through and say, okay, well where is the problem, problem.

Here and is there enough time to do that?

I think, well, this is the question.

It's like, how is this a more time effective way of confronting the reality of what they're trying to accomplish, which is government efficiency. Right. Department of Government Efficiency. We don't believe that the government is efficient. We do see that there's at least some waste and some fraud, but it's not being chased down. They're going to chase it down.

Yeah, well, I think, I would argue that they're going to find this is a years long process anyway, no matter how much of a jump they get at the starting block. But I think that, well, Mike Benz.

Thinks it's going to take 50, 60 years.

Yeah, I think he's right. Right. I mean, well, okay, I don't think it's going to take that long. I think if you're persistent about it and I Think your timeline is that. You mentioned the midterms. That would be my focus. Right. I want to get it well done before the midterm elections. Right. Because I'm be concerned about losing the house. So you've got that Runway to work with, then go. But don't feel like you gotta get it done in the first four weeks.

So there's a lot of messaging that you hear online that you gotta kind of decipher, and one of them is the price of eggs. For whatever reason, the price of eggs is a big one that gets bandied about. People need to understand what the price of eggs is all about. Well, one of the things is they killed a lot of chickens during the Price Biden administration because of this bird flu thing.

Right.

So they. They killed millions of chickens because the fear is that these chickens are gonna. It's gonna hop over to people. And right now I think it's only in geese and ducks. Is that correct?

Did it move to. Did it move to cattle?

I think it has, in some cases moved cattle.

Yeah.

But the question is, like, what, What. What happened? Is that treatable with antibiotics? Is this overblown? Like, what is the actual reality of this pandemic, so to speak? This is why egg prices are so high. But then, unfortunately, it becomes a political talking point, and so it's hard to get to the bottom of it because you're just trying to use it to cast blame. So they're trying to blame this administration on the price of eggs. They're fucking up. Regular people are going to starve. And, you know.

Yeah, yeah, look, he's been in office for 23 days. Egg prices haven't come down. You guys were lied to. And you're like, well, guess what?

It takes a long time for a chicken to be able to grow from a chick to an egg laying. It takes months.

Yeah, yeah.

So you're not going to get any discount in eggs anytime soon. If they killed millions of chickens, which they definitely did.

Oh, no, it's, you know, remember the old mad cow disease years and years ago? Sure.

England had a big problem with that.

Yeah. Beef prices.

I had a buddy of mine who went to England and was living over there during the mad cow crisis. And to this day, he. He can't give blood. It's a prion disease.

Okay.

The idea is that if he does have it, what is it called? Jacobs Cruxfeld disease. I always that up. But what that disease, that prion disease is, is from cattle eating cattle brain tissue, which is so crazy.

Or sheep's Brains. Yeah, yeah. Somebody at some point thought, you know, what we could do with all these sheep parts is we could feed them to the cows. Jesus. Yeah, I know.

Grind them all up. And then the cows eat them and get the prion disease and then they're fucked.

Yeah.

The same thing which, by the way, happens to cannibals. It's the same thing with Papua New Guinea. And the cannibals get that same sort of problem where the neurologicals, their body breaks down.

Good God.

Yeah, good God. Yeah, He. The story about Rockefeller's kid, one of the. Was it. Nephew. Was a nephew that got killed and eaten by the.

Yeah, he went over there to live amongst them, I think.

Well, he went to twice, and apparently the first time he went. He insulted them by trying to acquire one of their sacred things. And the second time he went back, they decided to eat him.

And they.

Didn'T find out about it for a long time. I think he went missing in the 60s. Yeah, we covered it. Jamie, do you remember what year it was? I think he went missing in his 66.

I remember that story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was debate over whether he was actually killed and eaten by the cannibals or not.

Yeah. Now they're pretty sure he was.

Yeah.

And at least that's what they're saying.

Who goes back a second time? You piss him off once, and I don't think you get away.

I think he felt like, you know, they just couldn't come to an agreement on whether or not he could take home whatever sacred object he was trying to get from them. I forget what it was, but it was something that they would never sell or trade, and he was insisting on it. And they're like, oh, fuck this guy. And then I think they had some time to stew on it.

Yeah.

He was gone. And then when he came back, like this dumb motherfucker's back, can you imagine.

How surprised they were when he showed up again?

Oh, boy, we're gonna eat him. Yeah. They're probably thinking, if he comes back, I'm gonna eat him.

I get the haunch. Yeah, yeah.

Well, again, this is, you know, rich liberals.

Yes, that's what he was.

He was a rich liberal who just wanted to fix the world and travel around and went into a world that he didn't understand. Like, literally didn't understand. Didn't understand what they were saying, didn't understand the culture. It was. Is fairly, you know, know.

Yeah, I'm here to help you, you know, in my own way. I'm going to bring enlightenment to you.

Yeah. And also what a great story when you get back to the university. Oh, guess what I did.

Yeah.

I went to papa New Guinea. So interesting.

You got to wonder about his family. He said, yeah, sure, you should go back to Papua. Yeah.

Can you pull up the story? We can see this cat. There's photos of this cat, like with the.

Yeah, I remember this. I remember. Can I his. Yeah, There we go.

So 62. Yeah, hold on. Go back up. It says the first public report that Rockefeller was killed and dismembered. Scroll up. And his long burn bones turned into weapons and fishing equipment.

Yo wow.

Was published by the Associated Press in March of 1962. A second investigation investigation later that year by a patrolman named Wim Vandewall on behalf of Dutch colonial government came to the same conclusion. Van de Wal was given a skull bearing no lower jaw and a hole in the right temple, the hallmarks of the remains that had been head hunted and open to consume the brains, which he turned over to Dutch authorities who never asked him to write a written report and never asked him to verbally report his conclusion. The information was apparently deemed politically sensitive, in part because the fragile state of the Dutch Empire in the Indonesian archipelago, and in part because of Nelson Rockefeller's political celebrity in the United States. The findings of van der Waals investigation are restated in the written memoir of Anton van de Wau, a success, successor missionary to Van Kessel.

Hmm. The famous Van Kessel. Is he famous? No, I just added that because I thought he deserved it.

See if you can find photos of that dude. That's crazy because there's photos of him hanging out with the people that ate him.

I love that. Go out and investigate. Oh, this isn't the conclusion we wanted. Don't. Don't bother giving us a report. Keep that to yourself. There he is. Yeah, yeah, with the glasses.

There he is, chilling. Go to that one right there. No, the third one. The third one. The third. Yeah, that one. Look at that. He's like, I'm going to eat you.

Those classic 60s glasses, right?

And look at the smile on his face where he's looking at that dude.

Oh, I know. Oh, look at them all. Look at the guy behind the. The front guy. He's. He's looking and he's going, yeah.

And eventually they ate him. Oh, crazy. He looks such a nerd.

Yeah. What a moron.

Well, back in the day, he thought he was being. Look at him, Soy boy. Even back then.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, look, look, look.

Like, oh, I'm having such a wonderful time with all of you people.

Yeah. Yeah.

They're gonna eat you, bro.

That is. That is the we're about to cook you dance right there.

Yeah. You're fucking around in a place you don't understand, and you don't understand that they have a long history of that.

You think about his family. Wouldn't his family have said, look, I gotta tell you, don't. Oh, God.

What is that? Is that supposed to be him? I don't know. Oh, God. Click on that.

Could be anything. Yeah.

What is that image of? Does it say Michael? That is him.

No, no, no, no, no.

It says Michael Rockefeller.

That's probably a picture that he took.

Oh, yeah, it could be that. Even more fucked up. Like he already knew they were doing that. Jesus. Pro.

I'm sure this would be me.

Someone brings out that like, hey, check this out. We did that to this guy.

Yeah.

Like, look at that. Look at that skeleton. That is so creepy.

I gotta tell you. They look well fed.

I would.

I would worry about that.

Yeah. That one guy on the right, he's got a big old belly.

Yeah.

Just been eating people. Well, a lot of them, they get bloated because of parasites too.

That's true. Yeah. Tapeworms. 30 foot tapeworm. Oh, God. Well, there you go.

So click on that one where the guys are holding the arrow. Right below that. Right below your cursor. Yeah.

Look.

How terrifying is that? Jeez. Imagine that guy, you show him on the beach and that guy's there.

You think they do like. Like a movie, they give you a 10 second head start into the jungle and then track you down. I mean, I. I honestly, Nez Perc.

Used to do that.

If I was in the tribe, I would do that. Right. Why wouldn't you? I mean, it's. It's entertaining.

Yeah. There's a famous story of a guy. They killed his friend, chopped him up, threw his guts on him, and then they gave him like, I think a 30 second head start and he escaped.

He did.

Hid in a beaver den.

Nice.

Yeah. I think this is in smart. I think this is in Montana a couple years ago.

Oh, okay.

I think, I believe it was the Nez purse. And I think they. The. He hid in the beaver den and made his way naked all the way back to the fort. I think it was like a couple hundred miles too.

Yeah. People were tougher there back then. I would argue. You had to be.

They had to be.

Yeah. Wow. What story on what happened to him?

Michael reportedly told his companions, I think I can make it. And jumped into the water. That was the last time they saw him. Oh, this is when he swam to the Shore. 1961. Michael Rockefeller was traveling to this dangerous area of dense rainforest, mangrove swamps and crocodile infested mudflats known as the Land of the Lapping Death when his small catamaran capsized in rough seas. This is the. Oh, so Michael Rockefeller, a strong swimmer, immediately jumped in the sea and began to swim to shore. But this is the second time, right. This is when they killed him. But it says they don't know. No one saw him after he jumped in the water.

So they don't know what happened.

Right.

Now here's an interesting thought. If you're offshore from whatever the Lapping island of Death, right. And your catamarans capsize and so it's still there, right? It's still floating. And you've got your shipmates and they're there and your decision, the way that you've processed this is to swim to the Lapping island of Death. That doesn't show a lot of thought there.

Well he thought he could make it and he's already visited them before. There was another article that I had read Jamie that actually recounted the moment he was killed that they picked him up in a canoe and speared him in the canoe.

That's what I was reading through the Wikipedia.

There's been multiple Chad times. It's starting with seven years later to.

Try to investigate what happened. And I don't know how you would.

Really go about doing that. Yeah, the most recent article was like there was some recent revelation, some, some information that was given to them by the tribes. People said that they sent a guy down there.

Private investigators know what we're gonna get with three skulls.

They said one of them was the skull.

So I don't know how they were. Yeah.

Prove that.

Well, yeah. You know what's going to solve this problem is going to be the. The newly formed U.S. government agency for the declassification of documents that's going to solve this problem. Federal secrets. Which ones seek? It's federal secrets.

Is that the JFK UFO one?

Yeah. Epstein files running it. And Anna, Anna Paulina Cruz.

Why she running?

Because she's hot. I don't know.

Maybe they should just release the documents. Like if you get to release the documents, release the documents to the people on the Internet. They'll figure it out. They don't need you.

I know they've got this new, this new committee and they're going to sort Covid is also on the table, UFOs now, Michael Rockefeller, UFOs.

I'm hoping that's where the 4.7 trillion went.

Yeah, that. Wouldn't that be good though?

Actually, I'm hoping that's what it is. All these government crashed retrieval programs and re engineering and back engineering developing, developing.

Our own technology that we've kept secret.

A lot of this.

Yeah, yeah.

I could absolutely be wrong, but I think that's what a lot of it is. I think we have some super sophisticated propulsion systems that are way ahead of our time. And then also I think we're being visited. I think there's a bunch of different things happening simultaneously.

Well, I think 4.7 trillion. Okay. When you think about that, in a sense. Well, that sounds like a lot. But in terms of terms of government spending, we could blow through that pretty quick. So I'm thinking, you know. Yes, I do.

Well, it's over. How long though? How long is 4.7. When they say 4.7 trillion, they don't give you a timeline thing about Politico. Right. Like there was this talk about we gave Politico $8 million. Well, sort of what the real story was. There's a subscription model for Politico where you get news like instantaneously and it costs like 10,000 bucks. And there was a bunch of those subscriptions that were in many different agencies.

Right, right.

And so this is over the course of eight years. Like that $8 million was from like 2016 to today.

Right. So I mean, so say that. Right. You know, roll that out rather than saying, you know, they've been funding, you know, political. Because in a. It sounds much worse. Right. It's still, you still can argue. Is this really necessary? Do you need to be doing this? Well, I don't know if you want.

Information instantaneously which would be very beneficial to someone in government. Yeah, yeah.

You're paying for a database for, for information that that's going to hopefully inform better decision making.

The problem is when the way you say, if you say we gave Politico $8 million. Oh, those motherfuckers. That's why they're fucking. That's why they're biased. And then you realize like, oh, that's not exactly what happened.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I think the people that are doing this have to make sure that they're not hyperbolic.

Well, I'm sure. Yes, exactly. And that, that goes back to this whole thing that I've probably beat to a death is the messaging idea. But I think this is important too.

Because today now they're talking about Social Security.

Yeah.

And that people are receiving Social Security that are 150 years old. That. But I don't think that is the reality as it's being explained by people who understand Cobalt the language. And this, this computer programming language they use is ancient. Right. Which is kind of, kind of crazy that they're still using that. Right.

It's a government, I mean.

Right.

Yeah.

So some guy who understands it was explaining that if certain, certain factors aren't taken into consideration or certain things aren't entered in, you know, like date of birth or when there's certain things or date of death.

Right.

But it doesn't even necessarily mean that all these people are receiving checks.

Right, right. They're just listed on the files.

Right.

And it doesn't mean money's going out to them. And so, yeah, again, from a messenger perspective, you know, does Elon need to like, you know, screenshot that and then send it out as a, as a tweet or whatever, call X and then suddenly you got, you know, a couple million people going, oh my God, we're paying dead people. Well.

Right, right, right. That's, that's the problem with being hyperbolic. I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie, because I was confused myself and so I was like, what exactly are they saying? Because it seems like the people that understand that programming language are the ones that aren't jumping on board and saying, hey, this is what's happening. Vampires exist Amongst us. This 300 year old people getting Social Security. That's not what they're saying. The people that are, that actually understand it are saying that's not really the case.

Although how cool would that be if vampires existed among us and we found out the 300 year old people were making benefits?

That would be crazy. Like, how crazy? So I'll send you this, Jamie. This is this guy's explanation of it.

But that 4.7. I'm sure we're going to find the trillion. Of course some of that money goes out and I think if you follow money in the government, it's always more effective and interesting than anything else. Right. You always get to the bottom of things by following budgets.

Yeah.

You know, depending on how it's hidden. Right. And so a lot of that money is going to be, you know, perhaps it's in black budgets for who knows, for Defense Department activities. It's worth digging into because it's always fascinating.

So in that this is a guy that explains it. I'll read this. I hope he's correct. As a gentleman named House of Carter on X, he said this isn't a vampire conspiracy, it's just cobol. C O B O L. Legacy government systems, especially Social Security, still rely on cobol, a language designed before anyone thought databases would need to track people beyond 99 years old. The numbers you're laughing at aren't literal ages. They're most likely misinterpreted. Misinterpreted categorical codes or data artifacts from outdated formatting. Social Security isn't paying 150 year olds. The system uses fixed with fields. And when modern databases misread them, they mistakenly interpret grouping codes as real ages. This happens when old mainframe logic isn't properly translated into newer systems. So no, there aren't thousands of people over 150 getting checks, but there are a lot of outdated systems that need modernization. Maybe focus on fixing that issue instead of hyping up a non issue. So there's multiple people that have said the same kind of thing. Yeah, this guy says, I'm an old programmer coder in today's parlance. As many old programmers know, cobol, young coders don't. When Musk claims that Social Security is paying thousands of 150 year olds, I think someone should let him know that COBOL in cobol, if a data is missing, if data a data is missing, the program defaults to 1875.

Example 2025. 1875 equals 150. So for some reason, if data is missing, the program defaults to this ancient date and it's just a problem with data. Yeah, which makes more sense than 150 year olds.

Exactly. But again, so, so fine, I dig into it, find out and you know what if the end result is, you know, you don't have 150 old people getting benefits, but the end result is that you modernize the way that we store information. Right. Then great. There's a benefit to Doge right there. Right. We've created a more efficient system for tracking and paying out and. Good. So you know, everybody, again, everybody should not have a hard on about an organization called the Department of Government Efficiency. And I think ultimately I think they're going to do a very good job. I just think let's.

So this is something to think about with Social Security though. So there's that, which is probably a misinterpretation of data.

Right.

But this other one that I just sent Jamie. So there's this woman who's a whistleblower and she's saying they were incentivized to qualify illegals for long term disability to qualify illegals for Social Security for life. So they were set for life. And in quote, she says they wanted us to try to identify them in such a way that they would qualify for long term Social Security disability. Now, long term Social Security disability is for life. So if they got identified and qualify for long term Social Security disability, they're as good as set up for life. That doesn't sound like a refugee to me. She's saying, just being honest, it sounds like someone who's planning on staying here. So they're instructed to try to identify, to try to get the client, because once they arrive here, now they're called clients. So they told us that we needed time, talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, reoccurring headaches, or any lower back problems, anything that would qualify them for Social Security long term disability. Which is crazy.

Yeah, yeah. And then. But again, trackable information, you would think, right? So you can go in. If you're, if you're serious and persistent about it, you should be able to go in and identify. Yes, we have.

Let's talk about this because. So this is something that, you know, when, when people are talking about the problems of Social Security, this seems, if she's telling the truth, this seems real.

Right. Just being honest.

That sounds like somebody who's planning on staying here, stays until the problem's over.

And then goes home.

Well, that's right. And so they, they instructed us to try to identify, to try to get the client. Because once they arrive here, where they're now called clients. They're now called clients.

Okay.

Because clients pay.

Sure, sure. And so where this is leading.

So they told us that we needed.

To talk to the client and ask.

Them if they had any headaches, recurring headaches, or any lower back problems.

Excuse me, Anything that would qualify them.

For Social Security long term disability. Wait, hold on.

Wait, wait, wait.

So let me get this straight.

Part of the screening is supposed to be, are you sick, maimed, injured, whatever? Right. No. Okay, good. You can come in, you get on the airplane, are you sick, maimed, injured, whatever?

Yes. Good.

So we can give you disability, correct? What?

Yes.

This is insanity. Yes, it is insanity.

But in order to get Social Security.

Disability back benefits, don't you need a Social Security number? Well, we were instructed in the meeting.

That one of the first things we.

Were supposed to do was sign them up for Social Security.

Wait, this is unbelievable. So they come over here and they.

Get a Social Security number. Right.

They become legal.

Correct.

Are you Pulling my leg.

No, I'm not.

And.

And then after they, after we process.

Them for a Social Security card, then we were to process them for a U.S. passport.

No, you're not. Yeah, I think we. We. Again, fascinating. If it's true, it's. It's outrageous.

If it's true.

If it's true. But you need corroboration on something like that.

Where's that lady?

Yeah, that's odd, dude. She's rushing disinformation.

Like who they're.

What? Who they are, what they did.

Right. I don't even know where that came from. Yeah, see if you can find that out.

I don't even know what that. I mean, that's just due diligence. Right. Okay, who. You know, let's. So I think that's great. And the obligation then is to say, okay, well, who is she? Why does she have this knowledge? Is she credible? Can you corroborate it with other sources? And if you can, then, yeah, we got a serious problem. When she. At that moment where she said, you know, get them a US Passport, that's where I started. That little flag went off and I thought, hold on second. You know what? Wait, wait, wait. Let's dig into this and actually see.

Is that possible? Videos from 2017.

2017.

Wow.

It's a radio show.

A Missouri woman is interviewed by radio show Josh Tolley. So, you know, wow, that's 2017. That's crazy.

Yeah, good. So.

But what would be the benefit of that? The benefit of that would be you get a voter for life. If, you know, if you are in whatever party you assume, whether it's Republican Party or whoever it is that allows this to happen and hooks these people up and sets them up, you would think that those people are going to vote that way for life because those are the people that gave them American citizenship, essentially gave them Social Security for life. Like, all you have to do is like, tell them, look, you get this check for life. All you have to do is keep voting and you know how to vote. You know the right way to go.

Right.

You know, I mean, don't vote with your fucking conscience. I want you to vote with, you know.

Yeah. And we'll regularly remind you who to vote for. Yeah.

We'll send you newsletters.

Yeah. I mean, that would be theory. And that is the theory, the narrative that, you know, says that's why, you know, the last four years we had essentially an open border policy was to bring in, you know, 10, 11, 12 million new voters. Right. I mean, that's the way that that story unfolds.

That's one version of it.

That's one version.

The other version is cheap labor.

Right, Cheap labor. Also just sort of the, you know, then there's the software. Well, it's, you know, it's the way the world should work. You know, we need an open borders world.

Yeah, I'm not buying that version.

Yeah, yeah, I don't think that version's horseshit. Most people don't, don't fall along the lines of I'm doing things for ideology. Most people have other more base motives.

My take is if you got a place that's awesome and you got a system that's awesome, expand awesomeness. Don't bring in people that aren't awesome and don't bring in people from places that aren't awesome. So the problem is if you bring people in that are criminals and that have a lifelong history of selling drugs and being involved in the cartel, they're not going to come over here. You know what, I need to join the union and be a pipe fitter. You know, they're going to continue to do what they've done their whole goddamn life. So like the problem is not that. The problem is where you're from sucks.

Yeah.

So I think the best way, I mean, and I'm not saying we should take over all these countries and run them, but the best way.

Now you're, that's probably the only way.

That it would really work, but the way to do it is to somehow or another encourage those countries to become more like the United States.

Well, yes. And then you would do that through soft power and you know, organizations that could influence and yeah, this is the.

So I'm trying to look at this from a bunch of different perspectives. Right. This is a very complicated situation. It's not as simple as, you know, we need to stay out of the way of other countries, businesses.

Right, right, right. No, it's. No, I don't again. And that comes back around to, it'd be lovely if we were all working on the same team. That's not how I don't think human nature is. So, you know, I.

Well, that's not the state of the world.

Right. It's not the state of the world. And it's in the last four years, and I would argue during the Obama administration, they oftentimes from a national security perspective, seem to run it based on how they hoped the world would be right. As opposed to how the world actually is. Right. And so, you know, like them or hate them, you know, Again, the current administration tends to, you know, I think, look at things in a more pragmatic way.

Do you think they'll be able to do that with usaid? Do you think they'll be able to convince some of these other people that are all these USA first people that don't think we should be spending any money over overseas?

Yeah.

Then maybe some of this money is well spent for our best interest.

Yeah, if. Yeah, that's a good question.

Right. Because are you even allowed to say what you're actually doing then? Because how do we discern whether or not. How are you going to tell people that $20 million for Iraqi sesame street is actually a really good idea? And here's why. And it's.

Or, but how are you going to tell them that, you know, buying and owning, God, Gaza is a good idea? Right? I mean, how do you.

I really don't think he's gonna do that. I think that's one of those things.

Yeah, I don't think so.

Candidates in the 51st state.

But to the people on that side of the fence who say no money spent overseas.

Right. You know, how are you gonna justify that?

Yeah. What are they gonna do? Look at that and go, well, that's a fucked up idea. Right? But, you know, but it's still, you know, President Trump, so yay, we gotta support it. I don't know, do they discern or do people on the base, do they just say, yeah, everything that comes out of the White House is a great idea? Because that certainly runs counter to the idea that we don't want to spend money overseas. What are you going to do, substitute Ukraine now? Because we don't want to spend money in Ukraine, you got to substitute it for Gaza. Right. Again, that's.

Is the idea that we would protect American interests better if we were in control of that. And so, like, if Israel did something, if someone did something, we'd be able to respond in minutes versus in days.

Well, that goes against the idea that we don't want to be involved in foreign wars. Right? I mean, if President Trump doesn't want to be involved in foreign incursions and wars, he's picked a hell of a spot to not be involved in. You're gonna drop yourselves and he's gonna fix it. He's gonna fix it.

Well, I know he's gonna make it nice.

Yeah.

Big old Trump Hotel.

Yeah. So, I mean, but again, hey, look, I think it's great in the sense that I never thought I'd see the day where some of these Arab states would turn around and say, Hamas has got to go. I mentioned it before, but that's a sea change. That's a big goddamn sea change. And it's kind of like with Ukraine. Ukraine right now, right. He comes out and he says, you know, okay, we're going to start these. They finished already. Earlier today, they finished conversations in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia between Sergei Lavrov and Marco Rubio and Steve Witkoff on the US Side. And to start the discussions about peace in the conflict without Ukrainian representation or the Europeans there. NATO wasn't represented either. Right.

So how do they have those kind of conversations if they don't have Ukrainian representation?

A lot of people asking that question. But now that they've done it, right, again, under this idea that, yeah, you can't, you have to bring them in. But the fact that you just jumped into the breach and got started, right. I mean, you think about it in the previous administration or in a normal administration, I'd argue getting to the table where you'd sit down and talk, look, this is the first time, time we've talked to the Russians really, in a serious way since the invasion back in 2022. So the fact that, you know, most administrations would have taken, you know, a year just to map out, okay, well, this is what the talks are going to look like. And this is, you know, we're going to have to. This is what the conference table look like. And this is where people are going to sit and this is what we're going to be able to say. And it would take months and months and months to get that. These guys just said, ah, fuck it, let's go over. We're going to sit down, we're going to talk with them. Now that's forced, right? That's forced the Europeans to say, okay, what?

Okay, how do we get involved? We gotta be relevant. And they do. Right. Look, the European nations and European institutions have allocated more money to Ukraine than the US Has. Right. I mean, they're up to, depending on numbers you look at, they're up to maybe $130 billion allocated in financial.

How much have we allocated?

Probably about 100190020 billion.

I thought it was way more than that. I thought it was 100 billion where Zelensky said he hasn't received it.

No. Well, when I say allocated, not all of it's been dispersed. Right?

Right.

So now the US Is the leading military provider of military hardware gear. But if you combine humanitarian, financial and military all together, EU institutions and EU countries have actually allocated more than the US Has.

Oh.

And that, you know, logic would say buys them a seat at the table for any peace talks. Aside from the fact that they're sitting right there, you know, close to Russia, They've taken in a vast number of Ukrainian refugees. You've got Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania sitting right there on the border with Russia. They've got a real reason to want to be involved. But again, Trump saying, let's just start the conversation with Russia. It's forced the EU to say, okay, how do we get involved? How do we rethink much like the Arab states with the Gaza issue? So now they're saying, well, Keir Starmer over in the UK saying, we, you know, we'd be willing to put boots on the ground for some sort of peacekeeping force, you know, and other nations, some are pushing back, you know, Poland, Germany, they're, I don't know about deploying troops to Ukraine to enforce some sort of peace deal, but they're talking, right. And they, that accelerated the process. So, you know, they'll have to be involved and Ukraine will certainly have to be involved. Involved. What are you going to do? You got an invaded country, right. And they're not going to be involved in the future of what happens to the invaded country.

So they'll be involved. And Marco Rubio has said as much. But I think it's so, I think it's good. I think, you know, people are really up in arms over the idea that they've started the talk without the Ukrainians sitting at the table. But I don't think there's any intention in any plausible scenario scenario where the US doesn't get them involved here in the very near future because otherwise it's going nowhere.

When Zelensky says that he hasn't received $100 billion, what does that actually mean? Does it mean it just hasn't gotten to Ukraine yet?

It means. Yeah.

It doesn't mean it's missing.

It's not. No, it's not missing. Although.

So this is the thing that people are saying. It's like Tucker Carlson was talking about this and he was essentially saying that there's a bunch of people that are spending money and he went to some wealthy ski town and these Ukrainians, they're all super wealthy. And he thinks that some of that is, is, you know.

Yeah, he's, he's not going out on a limb there, Right. I mean, look, Ukraine, one of their big problems over years and years has been corruption, right. And fraud. And one of the reasons why, you know, they, there was Pushback against, you know, this idea of NATO. Even though back in, in 2008 or 9, 2000, 2008, you know, at a European summit, they actually said during the NATO summit, they said, yes, at some point in the future, Ukraine and Georgia, you know, will become members of NATO. We're not going to give you a timetable, you know, we're not going to tell you what that's going to look like. But you can become members of NATO. But one of the problems has been the level of corruption within Ukraine. So is some of that money both from the US and from the EU you gone missing and lining pockets? Oh, absolutely. There's no doubt about it. Look at Iraq, the money that we spent in Iraq and how much? I mean, just any. Anytime you've got government disbursement of that size. Look at fucking Covid fraud. Right, Right. Anytime you got money going out in large buckets from the US Government, you're.

Gonna have some fraud.

Absolutely, yeah. You're people who are gonna take advantage of it. So, yeah, that's not a surprise. You know, and Tucker's right for pointed out. I'm just saying it's not rocket science. Clients, how much? Well, that's again, you would like to think that Doge, one of their jobs will be to go, you know, and I think if there was more transparency in how the money is spent, as there should be. Right. I mean, then maybe the taxpayers would be a little bit more understanding or lenient, you know, but they're not going.

To be lenient or understanding for any fraud. Where people are getting rich off of this.

Right?

There are people that are getting rich off of. Of this. Remember, there was one guy that had to resign because it turned out he had somehow or another moved around a billion dollars that he shouldn't have. Remember that story?

Billion dollars.

I'll just step off. And so he kind of went away.

And he's living on a yacht.

There's these stories and it's so confusing because we're getting the mainstream media version of what's going on versus boots on the ground. Where's the money actually going?

Yeah.

What is actually happening? Why did Russia actually invade in the first place?

Well, my company was out in Iraq, you know, shortly, actually a little bit before, but then, you know, following the 2003 entry of the US into Iraq, and so we were there for a handful of years, right, providing security assistance to a variety of organizations and, you know, you didn't have to look hard or far to see, you know, there'd be some Some group coming into town saying, hey, we just started up this company, you know, and it's, you know, it's an 8A company. Look, we're owned by Eskimos or, you know, handicapped women or whatever. They just set up some bullshit company to get government contracts. No experience, no other. And yeah, so, you know, we. We watched that unfold. Anytime you have a. An environment that's. That's steeped in chaos, you know. Yeah, that's. That's. Fraud is definitely going to happen. So you have to. You have to be incredibly aggressive and willing to hunt it down. Right. But I think sometimes the problem is in government there's like an accepted loss concept, like with, you know, credit cards or retail operators. Right. We ain't got an accepted loss. We know we're going to lose a certain amount each year to fraud.

Columbia Record and Tape Club.

Yeah.

Remember that?

I do. I was at member.

I was, too. I think I still owe the money.

That's right. I'm still getting notices I have not received.

My people don't remember that. That was when you used to get cassettes and CDs in the mail and you sign up and you get like. It was a bit. It was a big hustle with the music industry to sell more copies.

Yeah. And you could never unslack. You could never get rid of it.

You can never get rid of it. Yeah. But it made it look like they had a lot more people buying albums than they were. They weren't really buying them. They're getting them from Columbia Record and you get like 10 of them for a buck. And everybody's like, oh, this sounds great. And then you get them for regular price afterwards. Like, well, fuck this.

They'd send you a little catalog and you'd check off which ones you want.

Everybody defaulted. Nobody. Nobody paid. It's like all my friends did it. Completely weird scam that went on in the 1980s.

It was. I remember Netflix started by.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember that. And yeah, you used to get a CD in the. Or a DVD in the mail.

Yeah. I told that to my boys the other night. They put on Netflix and I said, you know how this got started? And they were like, they were. They couldn't believe it. Right. I mean, they're still amazed when there are postman walks by the house. Right. They think it's incredibly quaint that some guy walks by and leaves you with some mail.

I wonder what they would. I mean, imagine taking a kid to, like, 1988 and bringing them to a Blockbuster Video. They would walk around and go, what is going on? Well, we don't have the Internet anymore. I mean, yet. So this is how you get movies. They'd be like, shut the fuck up. You don't watch it on your phone. Like, we don't have phones.

Yeah, no, no.

No one had a cell phone.

Your evenings were spent with a bowl of unshelled nuts, walnuts, and you'd crack them, and that was your activity while you talk to your mom and dad or something.

Have you ever showed someone a phone back then and say, someday people are going to jerk off looking at. At that. They'd be like, what are you even talking about? That's the dumbest prediction of all time. That's not.

In Star Trek, you get a phone call. I remember if, you know, some. Some girl would call and, and, and. And my privacy was only as long as the cord on the phone.

Oh, yeah, right, right.

Because everybody was in.

You have to go to the closet.

Yeah, yeah.

You had one of them ones that, like, had the button, like a little portable one with the cord attached.

Yeah.

And then you hang it up on there, like a desk one. You can bring a long cord if you're lucky.

If you were lucky. But we had the wall ones, and so they had the little curly cord. Oh, that was the worst. I could go around the corner and.

Then, you know, and the cord's always fucking tangled. You know, spin the headset around to untangle the cord. People don't know the cord. You just drag to the ground.

Yeah. Do you remember your landline phone number from when you were a kid?

Yeah, yeah, I do.

Yeah, I do too. It's the craziest thing. I can still. I can't remember what I did two and three hours ago. And I could still. You put a gun to my head. And I could recite the phone number I had when I was 8 years old. Yeah.

Isn't that weird? We used to be able to remember so many numbers. I only know like three or four numbers of my friends by heart.

Yeah, you know, your kids numbers by. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And my wife's and maybe a couple of my buddies that have had, like. My friend Eddie's had the same phone, but he's got a new one now. So it's. It's weird that we don't have any numbers in our head anymore.

No, I. Now I. I will say, and I know this because just a day and a half ago, I was. I was. I was doing something. I was filling out some application for One of my boys, the middle boy, Scooter, and. And it asked for his phone number, and I had to look it up. So I was thinking, like, well, I don't know. I just pushed the button.

I have to look up mine sometimes.

Yeah.

Does that change it? When I give someone my number, I have to. I have to go. Hold on.

Yeah, Yeah. I.

It up.

I haven't changed my number in generations. I don't.

Yeah.

I don't know.

It becomes a. An issue.

Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. For you, I think it's.

At a certain point in time, you're just getting bombarded by people that you don't want to talk to. You're like, okay, there's only one way out of this.

I've got all the friends I want.

I got a vanish.

Yeah.

It's not even the friends you want. It's all transactional. That's the problem. The problem is, like, you realize this person only texts me when they want something.

Yeah.

And the texts before they want something are the say hi text or. Because it's coming.

Yeah. Yeah.

Here comes the thing you want.

Yeah.

And then that comes.

Yeah, I get that from.

I've got a startup.

Oh, yeah.

Off.

Yeah. I don't get the investments because nobody thinks I have money. But. But, you know, I'll get, like, sort of a request for, you know, how about a hookup with, you know, somebody in some part of the country or government or, you know, so. And I'm like, I'm not going to put you in touch with anybody, Adam. Yeah.

Those are the worst.

Yeah. So it's. It's interesting. But you know what today is? You know what today is? Today is my 20th wedding anniversary.

Congratulations.

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I just. I was thinking about that. I know. It was funny because you proposed the 18th for us to get together, and immediately I thought, well, that's our anniversary. And then I thought, well, she loves Austin, so I could combine the two.

There you go.

And. And I don't know that I got credit for it.

I'm not sure you won't. If you combine work with anything, even if it's the most awesome vacation. But it's also work. You don't get credit.

Yeah. Oh.

You didn't even go out of your life to do this. You know, you kept doing the same stuff, and you added a thing, and here it is.

Yeah. 20 years, and here you go. Yeah. I don't know.

But we do go to a nice restaurant.

Yeah. Yeah, we are. And. And we had a We had a dinner in, in, in Boise with a bunch of folks on Saturday night. That was really lovely. So we got everybody together and.

You guys have wolves out there.

Boise? Yeah. Yeah, I saw you. You put something out about wolves. Been near Aspen?

30 minutes outside of Aspen. My friend has a ranch and he just released wolves there a couple weeks ago.

Yeah.

And he's already finding. If I took a photo of it and put it on my Instagram, he found a dead elk leg. The neighbors spotted the wolves and they're on his property and he has, I mean, they've released them on his ranch. Yeah, no, no one let him know that's the leg we found in the snow. No one told him. And these are big Canadian wolves that they got from B.C. by the way.

Oh, no. The repopulation program, look, the way you feel about it is entirely jurisdiction based. What I mean by that, if you live in New York City or Chicago. Yeah, you love the wolverine population program. If you're, if you're a rancher or, you know, you, you live out in the, in the Northwest or the west, you're like, what the fuck are we doing?

Where he lives, it's all ranchers. This is what's crazy. It's like they released the wolves where the fucking livestock is. What's crazy is they had a mandate to release wolves in Colorado. So the first wolves they released they got from Oregon who they took out of areas where they were killing livestock. So they got wolves that were accustomed to killing livestock. Livestock and then reintroduce them to Colorado where there's livestock. And what do you know? They start killing livestock.

Yeah.

And kind of crazy.

And it's true. And what, and what you said is absolutely true here. Give it a short period of time and they're going to start laying on wolf hunts. Right.

And you're not going to find them.

Yeah.

Here's another thing my friend said. You can shoot them if they kill. If you're killing your livestock or if they're killing a working dog, but you can't shoot them if they're killing your pet. Yeah, this is what he said. I don't know if that's true. Well, in Idaho you can kill them. In Idaho they're giving out tags, and they're giving out tags in Montana. And this is what people need to understand. When they first reintroduced them, there was no way you could shoot them. And then it got to a point, they're like, okay, this is not just sustainable. This is a large population of animals that is doing a lot of damage.

Oh, yeah.

And they do surplus hunting. So in one place in I think it was Wyoming, they had killed like some crazy number of cow elk, like 15 or 16 of them.

Type A predators, man. They're incredibly efficient and they work together.

They're the only animal in North America other than coyotes, which are actually wolves too. They're a small wolf, but they're the only animals that work as packs. And they're so good at it. They're so good at it. And they're so fucking smart. They're so smart. They're all psychic. They all fucking think together. They're like a hive mind.

Yeah. Their hierarchy is amazing the way that they. Yeah. I did several days out in Yellowstone one time for a TV show, an episode and you know, following or trying to anyway, the lives of a family out there. And it was amazing. Right? It was really, it's just incredible.

They're amazing animals. It's just this ballot box biology. These people that are in Denver and Boulder, they're the ones who are the big population centers. They're the ones who are voting for, for this. But you're not going to release wolves in the middle of downtown Denver, right? No, you're going to release them out in the area.

I wish that they would, though.

The area where they released them first were areas where people voted against the wolves, which is like a big fuck you to those people.

Yeah, well, it always is. And if you're, if you're a ranch, I mean, even in Idaho, right. And you're constantly fighting for, for just kind of common sense decision making and, you know, luckily, you know, the state house is very, you know, favorable. You know, who knows, I mean, maybe that changes in 10 years, but for right now, you know, they understand. Look, this is, this, this is what's important to this state. Why it's such a great, it's a great place to live. But. Yeah, so I don't know. I saw that and I. It, you know, it's, it's front and center, but I know exactly who's voting in favor of it.

Right.

Because I, you know, I've talked to those people who don't understand at all, you know, what it, how it operates. Right.

Well, apparently it's a pet project, no pun intended, of the governor of Colorado's husband. His husband is big on wildlife, which everybody should be.

Who's the governor of Colorado again? It's.

I don't remember. God.

Oh, well, yeah, not important, but not important.

It is important if you live in Colorado. The reality is it's already started. The wolves are there. And they were coming into Colorado anyway. They did. There's Colorado wolves that were moving in from neighboring states. Colorado borders Wyoming, of course, and they.

Don'T stop at the border. It's not like they go, ah, fuck it.

Travel hundreds and hundreds of miles. You know, we showed a video on here once of a friend of mine, filmed a wolf in Bakersfield, California. And I was like, well, these people that live out there, the ranchers that live out there. Talk to me about. One of my buddies who actually works on a ranch, filmed it, filmed this wolf. And we actually played the video. It's a big black wolf that's in a cattle field. Field in, like in fucking Bakersfield. It's just outside of Bakersfield. It's like off the five. Well, what we had Diane Boyd on, who is a wolf reintroduction specialist. Like, she's. She studied wolves her whole life, and she's not in favor of reintroduction of wolves. She thinks they should be. They should reintroduce to areas naturally, and they're going to do that anyway. They were going to migrate into these areas naturally, and that's the best way to let it happen. But she said they can travel hundreds and hundreds of miles and that this wolf probably came all the way from Oregon and just made its way down. It probably wasn't even. Because their fear was that some crazy wildlife group is like, we're gonna reintroduce the wolves ourselves.

And they're. They're capturing these wolves and then bringing them to California. Fuck you, rancher. You should be eating soybeans. And they just release them. She doesn't think that. She thinks those wolves actually probably made it from the wild all the way down there because they really travel insane distances.

Yeah, I mean, no, that makes sense. And I'm glad to hear that. She's. After all that experience, she's. She's not in favor of a program. I mean, that shows a lot of common sense.

It just throws a giant monkey wrench into whatever ecosystem there is. Yeah, but the reality of the ecosystem of Montana, where they did reintroduce wolves, was that they were very overpopulated with elk to the point where she was explaining this. They used to have these winter seasons. Seasons for cow, elk. And, you know, it's basically shooting fish in a barrel because they're stuck in deep snow and you could just pick them off. And they did that because they were heavily overpopulated. The land couldn't sustain the numbers. And so they offered opportunities for Hunters. Hey, it's great. You shoot an elk, you get even a cow elk, you get like 150 pounds of meat, 200 pounds of meat. It's great. That's your meat for a year. Almost. Almost.

I remember a. A park ranger out in Yellowstone told me one time. He said he was driving, he was out just sort of like, checking things and. And came across a. A large. I forget what he called it. It was a van of some sort, but it was like a vw, you know, hippie van of some sort. And there were four young folks, he said, early 20s, and they were trying to herd this little baby bison that had gotten separated from the herd, right. And was now all on its own. And they'd been driving along and they saw it off in the distance in the. In the fields, and they. So they decided they were going to rescue this thing. So they were out there trying to get this thing to come towards their. Their van. I have no idea. He says, I don't know. What were they going to do, put it in the van? He had no idea what they were trying to do. But he stopped and said, what are you doing? He says, well, we've got this baby thing. We're trying to save it. He said, what the fuck? Get in your van and drive off.

He said, this is. This is how this works, right? And they go, but it's not going to find its mother. Or like.

Have you ever seen the Instagram page Turons of Yellowstone?

No.

It's one of my favorite.

Turons Torah.

Like morons, Tourists. Turons of Yellowstone. It's a great Instagram page.

It's. Check that out.

Definitely taking selfies with deer and selfies with bison.

German tourists.

Yeah, it's people trying to feed bears.

God.

And it's all people just getting thrown through the air by giant bisons.

Yeah, I love that when they. When they're like this and it's right behind them and they're just trying to get that picture. And once that bison starts staring, right? Once it starts staring at you, you got problems.

This is one I saw the other day. These people are, right. This black bear is eating fish right on the. The edge of this lake. And they're getting right up to it. I mean, these kids are literally 15, 16 inches away from this fucking thing. And he gets closer, too, by the way.

Looks like in the red jacket. He said, yeah, get our picture. Come on. I got my thumbed up. Yeah.

One of them winds up touching it.

Holy shit.

Yeah. He reaches over at the end of this stupid Video and touches it, and the bear is just like, get the fuck out of here. I'm trying to eat. They don't care. But they're so habitualized to being around people. No wild bear, a truly wild bear, would ever allow this. No, this is just a bear. You know, they start eating people's garbage. They start taking fish from fishermen and that kind of shit. And look at this kid taking this selfie. He gets closer. This. This fucking dumbass. Look at this fucking stupid kid. Look, look, he's gonna move in and touch it. Oh, yeah. That could have been the end of your life, buddy. And look, he's got flip flops on. These kids, they're so silly.

We go up. We go up fishing in Alaska, and I tell you one thing we're not gonna do. Bear comes out of the brush, we're not going to stop and take a selfie.

No, don't take a selfie.

No, no, not at all.

Alaska, though, they are scared of people because they hunt them in Alaska. It's the only state.

Yeah.

In the United States, and they want to open up a season in Montana. And there's arguments about that right now because of the interactions that people are having with bears.

Yeah.

This is part of what the governor of New Jersey ran on, that he was going to stop the bear hunt. And people like, yeah, stop the bear hunt. That lasted one year. And there were so many problems with bears. They said, all right, you're right, you're right. And then they reintroduced the bear hunt.

Most of those are black bears, right? Oh, that's only black bears.

But New Jersey has more black bears per capita than any other state in the United States, which is nuts.

Yeah. You always forget that New Jersey, how a. How big it is, but also just how green it is.

Right.

Yeah.

New Jersey is like Newark and Hackensack and, you know those places.

And then it's all pine flats and all the rest of it. Yeah, yeah.

Mountains. It's like you get into the woods of New Jersey, you know, it's real woods. And it just doesn't seem like it should be because New Jersey's the Sopranos. You know, in our mind, it's. Oh, it's Tony Soprano.

It's New York. Yeah. There's nothing great about New York.

Yeah. That's what we think about with Newark. We think about.

Is that your Soprano voice?

Big pussy. Yeah.

You excited about the. The JFK files release? We haven't even talked about that.

You know, I feel like. I feel like Charlie Brown when Lucy keeps pulling that football away. You know, like, today's the day. I'm gonna kick that football. And then she fucking yanks that football. And Charlie goes flying through the air and lands on his head. Yeah, that's how I feel.

It's gonna be the way it is, too. I mean, I think, I think they'll actually kick out the door. I don't think they. This time around. I don't think they can hold any more documents. They don't have that many left to hold.

I think they just found thousands of new documents.

They found 2,400 more. That's is actually a good way. They found. The FBI says, oh, look at this. You know, we, what they did was they did a, they did a review. They started in 2020. And they said, okay, all our closed cases, we're going to start, you know, compiling all of them in one place. Why weren't they doing that 40 years ago, 50 years ago? How do you not do that, have a central repository? Anyway? So they said, this is what we're going to do. So they, they did. And they said, we're updating our, the way that we, we digitize and, and, and hold on to all our records. And during the course of that, then when Trump issued his executive order about the release of the files and also for RFK and mlk, then the bureau says, well, we were able to, because we'd done this digitizing and this, this way of tracking our records, we were able to find 2,400 documents that are related that we, we just didn't know about. So there's those, and then there's maybe 5,000 other documents, documents left that haven't been released.

Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either.

Right.

What does that mean?

You know, what does that mean? It's a really good question. I. Here's what I think. I think. And I don't, obviously, I don't know what's in those documents. Wait a minute, you don't remember. I was a toddler when he was shot. And although that would have been the perfect a cover, because nobody's looking for.

A toddler to come behind a microphone, magnifying glass, come off that grassy knoll. I mean, it's not like they're gonna say in the documents, we did it. Right? Like, so what is the, what could the documents have that would be so incriminating that they wouldn't want to release them? Like, what would you document if you assassinated the president? We'd Say, well, me and Mike were sitting over here on the grassy knoll, and then we.

This is. Yeah, I think. I think some of the documents, the redactions are really pedestrian. Like, they've redacted in the old days, redacted a person's name who was an investigator or a Social Security number of somebody who was interviewed, but this whole thing redacted. Right. I mean, so there's. There's like.

Those are like, weird.

Yeah. There's going. I think they held on to Biden administration held on to like 2,000 some.

Oh, well, 2017, they were supposed to release them.

Right.

And then this was when the Trump administration didn't do it. And that's when people got mad.

Yeah.

Like, hey, you said you were gonna do it. And this time they are saying they're going to do it. And then they got this hot lady who's involved in all this, which is odd.

It does. Well, again, why they pick her? Yeah, why'd they pick her?

JFK expert.

I think she's an assassination expert.

Well, it's not just assassination. She's in charge of UFOs, too.

Right, right. And Epstein and all the rest. I think what we're going to find is. This is just me speculating, obviously, but I think what we're going to find with the released documents is, A, there's no smoking gun, B, it's not going to stop people from believing what they believe. It's not going to put anything to rest. And I think also there probably will be. One of the reasons I think some of these things were withheld was because it's embarrassing perhaps to the CIA and the FBI also in terms of their collaboration. Look, Lee Harvey Oswald was on their radar for good reasons. Right. For, you know, counterintelligence reasons. He had lived over in Minsk. He defected to the Russia, to the Soviet Union. He lived over there for three years, came back. So that in alone puts him on the radar. Right. Now, suddenly, he's a CIA concern. So the CIA is deaf, definitely monitoring him. And then he goes down into Mexico. He goes to the Cuban and Soviet embassies. Right. He's desperate to get involved in. In the revolution, even though he's, you know, the Soviets by that time had decided he's a complete loser.

And. And I think.

Is that the narrative, though? I mean, do we know what they really decided?

Well, I. I think, you know, I'm just speaking again from, you know, from experience in intelligence community. At a certain point, you look at somebody and go, there's nothing here. This Person is more of a, of a liability than an asset.

Well, wouldn't that be the perfect person to make a patsy?

Well, unless they decided the guy is just unstable. Look, I mean, reportedly, reportedly he, he was finally granted permission to exist in the Soviet Union after he tried to kill himself. When they said they were going to send him back, he couldn't, he couldn't stay there.

How did he try to kill himself?

What did he do? No idea. I don't know that part of it, but I think, I think it's, I guess so. My point is that I think he was on the radar and I think what happened was in the documents we may find that the CIA at the time, you know, was not proactive enough and they didn't work well with the FBI. There was real friction between those two. And I think that, you know, if they had, if they had brought in the FBI, informed them, said, look, he, you know, we've got the Cuban embassy and the Soviet embassy down in Mexico under observation. We've had this guy on our radar for some time. He's now come back to Dallas and New Orleans. He's back in the States. You know, we've got to keep an eye on him. I think if they had done that, maybe history changes, but I don't think they did, obviously.

Yeah, but this is assuming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, which I'm not.

Buying into it under this scenario.

Yes, I'm not buying that at all.

But I think that's what we're going to see in some of this document documentation.

Well, if Trump really did say that, that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either. It has to be something. And that something might be a second shooter.

Well, it's not. Or more I agree because Trump has never been known to say anything hyperbolic. So I mean, there's a chance that he was, you know, I don't know.

Okay. He attempted suicide. A striking indication of how much he desired to remain in the Soviet Union showed how willing he was dramatically and decisively when he faced an emotional crisis with few readily available alternatives at hand. He was shocked to find that the Soviet Union did not accept him with open arms. The entry in his self styled historic diary for October 21, 1959 reports. I am shocked. Two exclamation points. My dreams. Exclamation point. I have waited two years to be accepted. My Fonz dream. I don't even know that means fondest.

Fondest.

It's probably they forgot the T. He can't spell this fuck. My fondest dreams are shattered. Because of a petty official. I decided to end it. Soak fist in cold water to numb the pain. Then slash my left wrist. What a pussy. The than plague wrist. Oh, plug.

Then plunge. Plunge wrist.

Boy can't spell plunge either.

Then plunge wrist, plunge.

So he spells plunge. P, L, A, U, G. I guess it's plunge wrist into bathtub of hot water. Somewhere a violin plays. As I watch my life whirl away, I think to myself, how easy to die. And a sweet death to violins. Oswald was discovered in time to thwart his attempted suicide. He was taken to a hospital in Moscow where he was kept until October 28, 1959. Still intent, however, in staying in the Soviet Union, oswald went on October 31st to the American embassy to renounce his US citizen citizenship. Mr. Richard A. Snyder, the second, then second secretary and senior consul officer at the embassy testified that Oswald was extremely sure of himself and seemed to know what his mission was. He took charge, in a sense of the conversation right from the beginning. He said he presented the following signed note. I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request that my present citizenship in the United States of America be removed, revoked. And then they let him back in the United States. So this is why the more tinfoil hat wearing amongst us say, this fucking guy, he was working for the government. This is all bullshit.

They were setting it up and they were using him as a patsy.

Oh, no, I know that's. I mean, there's obviously like. There's a strong belief that the CIA was involved, the mob was involved. And again, hey, I haven't seen all the documents. Like, you know, Trump has, so, you know, everything's on.

I wonder if he's even seen them all.

Everything's on the table. I don't know if he's seen everything either. What, has he gone through all the files?

Yeah. Is he sitting there in his office drinking Diet Coke, reading the documents?

Who knows? But I think you know. And who else. Who else said he. Cash Patel said he's seen all the files.

Oh, okay.

He said he's seen everything. Now, I'm not sure how, in what capacity. Right, that. Was he part of a review committee? Perhaps? I don't. I don't know.

Interesting.

But we'll find out, right? Yeah, we'll find out.

Well, you have long said that you think that the Martin Luther King Jr. Assassination. Assassination was. Was fishy.

Yeah. Yeah, I really do. I believe that. And I also. It's interesting that his family doesn't want this released. They don't want the remaining documents released. And I think the reason there is because look, they, you know, Hoover and, and, and the federal and state law enforcement had a real hard on for Martin Luther King obviously. Right. And they were covering him three ways to Sunday, so including wireless taps, some that were signed off by rfk. Right. By Robert Kennedy, so as Attorney General. So I think, you know, the family is like, look, do you really need to release these, these records? Because I think they're worried about, you know, embarrassing information about there perhaps about his lifestyle.

Hasn't a lot of that already been released?

Yeah, it's been talked about and everything. But I think if you dump it out there, you know, Whereas, whereas with RFK or sorry with JF, JFK's documents, look, they've released some 5 million pages of his. Right. I mean estimates are like, oh, we've released like 99% of the documents.

Right.

It's not that, it's not that high a percentage with, with mlk. So I think there's a potential for embarrassment. But I also same thing I don't think in those documents because I don't think anybody's gonna, if they're not gonna self incriminate. Right. And I do think that there was, there was something going on. Look, James Earl Ray is a much more interesting case study I think anyway than Lee Harvey Oswald. James Earl Ray and his behavior leading up to the shooting at the Lorraine Motel. Kind of going off the radar, disappearing. You know, the guy couldn't keep himself out of jail. He was a failed petty thief, right. And he was just a fuck up. And then suddenly he disappears off the radar screen and he shows up and he, you know, looks like a college professor and he's kind of got his shit together. And you know, then after shooting him, he has ends up in Belgium.

He got money and guns.

Yeah, he got money and guns. Suddenly he had a bag full of cash to go buy himself a Mustang, which he used to drive around the south and kind of be off the grid. I don't know, that one strikes me as. And then sort of the interplay with federal and state and local law enforcement to me. But again, my point is that they released the documents. What do you think there's going to be some note in, they're saying must kill mlk. Yeah, you know, somebody talked to Hoover.

So that's why it's, it's fun to think like what, what are they going to, what's the JFK document is going to say? What's the mlk? What Is what are they going to tell us about UFOs but how much are they documenting? Like if someone is involved in killing the President, I would imagine they wouldn't write that down.

Yeah, you would think, right?

Imagine.

Kyle, we're going to need you to make a statement here about shooting. So I think that there's, there's probably. I don't know why I picked the name Kyle. That seems odd.

Good name for a shooter.

Yeah, yeah, it was, it wasn't a popular name, I don't think back then, but I just. So I, I think, look, release everything. If they don't release all the documents at this stage, if they say we're gonna, we're gonna hold on to. Or redact a thousand pages, what the hell are they?

Everyone's dead. Doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't make any sense. 1963, just put it, put it to rest. And if, if there's embarrassing things in there, then, then own it. Right? Accept it and fucking move on. But again, it's not going to change the narratives that are out there. I don't think. I don't think it's not going to satisfy anybody.

Wasn't it also a problem which so much time has passed that the waters are so muddy in terms of like trying to see clearly exactly what happened and when it went down and how it went down. Unless they did somehow another document, everything which seems insane that they thought that they would just tuck that away somewhere. Yeah. It's just seem realistic.

It doesn't.

No, it seems much more likely that that would be something that you would have a conversation about in a closed room and you would, you know.

Yeah. If there was actually a cadre of people that did that. It's not in the documents. Right. It's. It's because those documents are like interviews of people on the grassy knoll. Interviews of people who knew Jack Ruby in his, you know, life.

My friend Evan Hafer has an interesting perspective on it. You know, Special Forces guy, he. He thinks that those guys who got over at the Bay of Pigs when they didn't get air support from Kennedy, that if you were going to find a group of hardened individuals that were essentially assassins for the government.

Right.

Those would be the guys that would have a bone to pick with jfk.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, until everything's visible and out there, I think everything's on the table.

Yeah.

He's not really wrong in the sense that they, they hated Kennedy, you know, but, but a lot of people hated Kennedy. The mob hated, you know, rfk immensely. Yeah. Oh, yeah, because he wouldn't play ball.

Well, also he. Them over because they got him elected in Chicago and they turned on them and then they started investigating them and they're like, hey, yeah.

And then. And then, depending on who you talk to, Jack Ruby was either mobbed up or he did it because he was Jewish and he. And he didn't want, you know, the. Or Jewish community to take the or.

The MKR Ultra version is the best version. That's Sir Han Sirhan. Charles Manson.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I say it again, but read chaos by Tom O'Neill, ladies and gentlemen.

Yeah. No, MK Ultra is. That is a dark history or chapter in the history of the age, there's no doubt about it. And again, it's one of those cases where you can't. It's like we talked about with Alan Dulles. As far as I know, we've never overthrown a country. It would be like if I sat here and said, well, as far as I know, we never did anything. Of course, of course.

Never done any mind control experiments.

Of course they did. Yeah, it was. It was like the. The experimentation that went on and it was outsourced.

Did you see the most recent thing that people are saying about China? I think Kurt Metzger sent it to me, so I know it's got to be accurate. He's not out of his mind. Something about some new thing that they found, some Chinese mind control thing where you saw that Jamie stuff that. Yeah, they burned the ether, that thing. I don't know.

They burned a cryptocurrency and the guy said that they're being taken over by. Yeah, that has to be it, because.

It was going viral like yesterday.

Oh, my God. I. How did I. How would. How would I miss this? I was not on Kurt Metzer's email list.

Actually, I just checked. It wasn't Kurt.

He spent like a million dollars to do that. Or like wasted. That's how people saw it. I guess it's a better way to put it.

Wait a minute, what are you talking about? What I'm talking about is some mind control thing that they're involved with. With like their version of like a neural link. Oh, okay, There's a bunch. There's more than one different scenario that they're picking.

This is crazy, because what goes around comes around, right? Everything that's old is new again. Because when we talked about MK Ultra, the whole reason behind MK ULTRA was fear that the Soviets were engaged in mind control.

This is a different one. This is. Someone burned 500. Yeah, this is it. ETH to accuse Chinese hedge fund CEO videos of using brain control. Brain computer weapons. Allegations of mind control tech spark a crypto donation spree amid intrigue in Chinese finance circles. Yeah, this is it. So this dude. How do you say that name? Who? Lazy. Who? Lizzie Burns. 603 ETH to alleged Chinese hedge fund CEO's use of brain computer weapons. Large donations totaling of 1,950. That's Ethereum. Were made to various addresses including WikiLeaks in Ukraine. A self identified Chinese programmer has burned 603 ETH. Approximately $1.65 million and donated 1950 ETH approximately 5.35 million through a series of blockchain transactions while making allegations against Chinese against executives of a Chinese hedge fund. And so this guy. I don't understand why he's donating the money.

Yeah, I'm not getting this.

So people would see it essentially. Okay. He sent 500 ETH to the burn address with this message. The CEO of Quandae Investment, Fengjin and Zhuji. I say it used brain computer weapons to persecute all company employees and former employees. And even they themselves were controlled. Like what?

Okay.

The individual identifying as Hu Leizi sent multiple on chain messages accusing Quande Investment CEO Feng Xin and Zhu Zhuzi of using what they termed brain computer weapons against employees and former employees. Quanda Investment, known as Wizard Quant is a hedge fund specializing in in quantitative trading.

That old story?

Yeah. So scroll down. It says this is a new mode of crime in which the victim is gradually deprived of his senses of desire until he becomes a complete slave to the digital machine. And if one day I become a victim of the final stage, I will leave the world. As the brain computer interface and mind reading technology keeps developing, there is a new mode of crime in which wild animals become puppies, puppets or complete slaves to the digital machine.

I saw this on South Park. It was the human caterpillar episode.

Wow.

Okay, so I don't understand. And Jamie, maybe you do. Why burning through and donate? Why putting all that money just to get it seen?

It would draw a lot of attention to it that someone just literally like lit a million and a half dollars on fire.

So that's it. That's really getting.

Same reason people light themselves on fire.

Yeah. Wow. Get their message. Okay, good. Attention.

Wow. Whether or not it's true does that doesn't.

Right, Right. Right.

It doesn't mean it's true. Well, it could be just China bullshitting us and saying that they have this.

Yeah, well, but again, the amazing thing is, is that, is that look, everything kind of repeats itself. I suppose if you could look at it that way. I'm not going to go into some grand thought, but look, I mean, you know, we're engaged In World War I style warfare in, in Europe now, right. With trench warfare between Ukraine and Russia. This, we're talking about mind control from Chinese regime. Right. There was a. That was what started MK Ultra was fear of the Soviets and the, and the North Koreans getting engaged in mind control and the worry that we were, you know, somehow behind the curve and that they had this technology capability to, to control minds. And so next thing you know, you know, MK ULTRA is born. And you know, I wonder what's the.

Method they're supposedly using to control these people's minds? Like it was pretty vague. Slaves to the digital machine. Like what?

Different articles and the same kind of.

Stuff we said with a couple more of the messages. Elaborates and alleged activities they're engaged in, which include deploying brain computer chips to control all citizens until they become complete, complete slaves to the digital machine. Slimy, distraught, lazy, who described himself as an ordinary computer programmer and entrepreneur. That's what I would say too, if I work for the Chinese government. Claims he's been controlled by the mind control organization from the time he was born, but only discovered he's being manipulated in October 2022. So from the time he was born, they had a chip in his brain. Is that what he's saying? That's not real? No, because they didn't have that back then.

Yeah, I'm concerned over the legitimacy of.

This or if they did, I'm concerned. Still be active in your brain. Like, how do you not have brain cancer? Yeah, it's been a very pain. I mean, maybe it's real. I'm just fucking around here. Maybe it's been a very painful. In the last two years, Lazy wrote. Now I have completely lost my dignity as a human being. I've decided to leave this world. I hope this ugly world will be destroyed soon. Oh, well, that guy sounds like a whole bunch of fun.

Yeah, I said that he just did.

It just to give the story some credence, which that doesn't. I don't know. That's the problem with today. It's like there's so many bullshit stories. That sounds fun to say the mind control.

Well, that's it. If you throw, if you throw out there and you couch it in a certain way and you, you know, oftentimes you'll see Some of this. And, you know, I'm using big words and I'm talking about the, and, you know, it's like the, it's like the UFO hearings up on Capitol Hill. Right. I know how many times I've had to sit and listen to, you know, I've seen some stuff. I can't tell you what the stuff is. Yeah, it's hidden stuff, but I've seen some stuff.

I know. I get so tired of it all.

Yeah. And, and I think there's, I, I think there's, there's something out there. Right. I'm not, you know, again, I, you know, I agree with you in the sense that, you know, we, we're certainly not the only ones out here floating around. Right. I don't know what it means. I don't know whether we've been visited or anything like that, but every time there's a, you know, UFO hearing, it's this, it's sort of that same thing. It's that tantalizing. Oh, look, he's talking. He's talking.

And then it's about the release of the, those documents, though. That seems to me that that's something that you would document. Like, so rather than say, I killed jfk, I'm gonna write, where do I sign? Instead of that. It's more, that's more tangible. Like if the government had recovered some crash in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico, and it really was an alien spaceship, that seems like something they would document.

I agree. And I think that's worth pursuing in a big way. They should. Look, it needs to be more transparency about, about it. But it's also the same like with the COVID files, if there's such a thing as Covid files. But sure, go through and look, I mean, transparency, you know, to the degree that you can, where, you know, you're not releasing national secrets that are going to get people killed, great. But the Epstein files, you know, so I think there's real value in saying we've got. Because the government always over classifies. Always over classifies. And, and, you know, it's, and it's unnecessary and it creates, you know, this, this, this distrust. I think half the time of, of, you know, the, the, yeah, they just like, what the fuck? We don't believe anything you're saying now.

Yeah.

So release everything. Let the chips fall. I, I, I, Because I don't think, honestly, I don't think there's a lot of, you know, information there. But I do think with the UFOs, all the documentation of Of. And the investigations that took place of. Of unknown. But it's still gonna not convince people that we're not holding on to, you know, crashed.

Right.

Spaceships.

Well, when you've got guys like David Grush, you know, who's the whistleblower that comes out and says, not only do we have these ships, but we have biological entities.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, then, you know, maybe explain yourself a little more. Right, right. You've already come out. You kind of, like, opened your kimono a little bit. Let's, you know, fucking say, what do you know? And then put it to rest. Maybe you got nothing. Obligation to do that. Right?

I mean, I think he wants to, according to him. Yeah, but he has to get clearance.

He's already. Yeah, he's already. He's already pushed that door open. Right. I mean. I mean, I don't know as an individual. Right.

He explained on the podcast that he's authorized to say what he's already said, but nothing more. And he has to be very careful. But then again, it's like, how do I know?

Yeah. I don't know.

That's not horseshit.

I know it's. And that's. And that's the problem. And that's going to be the problem with the release of the files is.

Also it's just going to be unsatisfying. Some sort of a government propulsion system that's like 50 years ahead of anything we could imagine. That's how I would do it. I'd obscure it by saying, oh, there's some fucking alien technology that's available, and we don't really know how to use it, but they do visit us from time to time, and occasionally they crash.

They came over to New Jersey, remember? The drones over New Jersey?

Right. But now the Trump administration has said those were. They were running some tests and those were ours.

Yeah. Yeah. So why wouldn't the Biden administration say that? What's the hell, you know? I mean, what's. What's new now?

Maybe you should tell me.

Well, I do know, but I'm not. I'm not. I'm not authorized to say.

We gotta get you in a skip.

Yeah. But I know some stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just can't say the stuff.

Anyway, listen, Mike, it's always great to talk to you.

Thank you.

It's been a blast, as always. Tell everybody about your show where they can watch it.

Oh, thank you. Yeah.

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