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What's happening, man? How are you?

Everything's groovy as could be. I'm happy to be in Austin. I love it here.

It's a fun place.

Yeah. I mean, I stay here. Oh, do you? Yeah. I don't know. It's It's just a special place in this country.

Yeah, I agree. It's perfect because it's like a blue city in a red state. It's like even the really kooky liberal people are pretty reasonable in comparison to a kooky liberal people from California or New York.

Yeah. It's balanced. Cookie Liberals. Yeah, kookey liberals. I've been thinking a lot about that lately.

Did you get a lot of that after Saturday Night Live? A lot of Cookie Liberals coming your way?

Yeah, exactly. That's a good transition.

That monolog was great, by the way.

Yeah. Well, I got a lot of blowback as I knew I would because...

Because you told the truth.

Well, yeah. It's just that you don't want to say anything negative about vaccines, which I didn't. What I was talking about in that monolog was really about profiteering. Yeah. Okay. So World War II, necessary. Everyone could say that was a necessary war. Let's say that this war on microbes was a necessary war, right? Why is anyone profiteering?

Yes.

Why did Pfizer get to make $100 billion in 2021?

Right.

Anyway.

Why did the government profit off of it?

The profiteering of war is just wrong. Like, okay, if you say that it has to be, there's conflicts happening right now. I disagree with, but I'm wondering, why are people making money off of it? Even if you think you have a legitimate vantage point from the other side of it, why does someone get to make so much freaking money off of it?

Yeah. It's the dirtiest aspect of human beings. We find a way to profiteer off everything. Everything and I think, even if it's just, and they'll prolong just things in order to make more profit.

Well, I mean, I'm sure you know that Richard Nixon knew it was imperative that the war continued. The Vietnam War, back before he got elected. He didn't want that to get settled.

Yeah.

And there's a great phone call. I don't know if you've listened to any of Johnson's phone calls. Lyndon Johnson. What phone call? There was a phone call he had with Nixon saying, Hey, man, you're going against the peace because he was trying to get a peace to go before the '68 election, right? Which he eventually just bailed out of anyway because he could see he was going to lose it, Johnson. Maybe you haven't- No, I've never heard that conversation between Nixon and Johnson. It's an It was an incredible conversation. And Nixon's like, I wouldn't do that. I would never. And of course, he was doing that. He was subverting the peace process in the same way that they wanted to make sure Carter didn't get those guys released in Iran.

I always wondered about the Vietnam War, how much of it was about heroin? Three days before presidential election, President Johnson contacted Senate Majority Leader, Everett M. Dixon to inform him the White House had received hard evidence from the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The campaign of Republican presidential candidate Richard M. Dick Nixon was interfering with Johnson's effort to start peace talks to end the Vietnam War. And this call Johnson referred to contacts between Nixon's campaign and South Vietnamese President, when Van Thiet, I don't know how to say his name, urge that they thwart any such negotiations. Yeah.

Yeah. And that did happen. And also they definitely Bush, the senior Bush, George Bush senior. He met with the leaders of the Iranian, what do you call it? Party, whatever, before the election, the Carter, the fight between Carter and Reagan, and insisted they needed to not be letting those hostages go.

Right.

And so I met Carter in Atlanta I don't know, a couple, three years ago, right? It's very exciting for me because I've always been a big, big fan of Carter. I think he's the best President in my lifetime. And I talked to Carter, and he was like, and I I'm sitting there, I'm thinking to myself, is there a better time to ask? When am I going to have another time? And so that was known as the October surprise, right? Right. That Bush met with those guys. Anyway, I just said, I'm going to ask him. I said, well, I just wonder, is there any truth to the October surprise? And he looks at me like... He hadn't heard this question lately, right? And he looks at me and he goes, well, I never talk about this publicly, but we did still have people in the White House after we left who were there during the Reagan administration, and they confirmed it was true.

Yeah, of course it was true. It was too obvious. The hostages get released right after Reagan gets elected.

They released him on the day he took office.

Yeah. Yeah. Ridiculous. It's disgusting.

Very disgusting.

Yeah.

But I mean, I don't want to be one to talk ill of American government. Far be it for me.

Yeah, we don't need to. Hey, man, your movie's fucking great. I loved it. Oh, you saw it? I saw it Wednesday night. Yeah, it was great. Thank you. Really great. Nailbiter.

Yeah, and the edge of your seat.

Yeah. It's not a single cut to shit moment in that movie. There's movies where you have to suspend disbelief and it takes you out of it. There's none of that in that movie. It's really good. It's really good. Very suspensful. Very fulfilling. At the end of it, you feel super entertained.

Yeah. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, I love it. It's so exciting that film. It's like an action movie. It really is like as nail-biter as any action movie I've seen. I love it. And Alex Parkinson, he was the director. He also directed because it was a documentary, Last Breath.

Oh, wow.

Oh, because people may not know. This was a real incident that happened in the North Sea. Anyway, yeah. Simu Lou and Fin Cole loved those guys, loved working with them.

That was a great experience. It's a great movie. It's very good. It's very fun. It's exciting. And I hardly ever go to the movies anymore. But your people made me go see it in the movie theater. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So I had to actually go to a theater and see it. It was great, though.

I really enjoyed it. Well, thanks for doing that, man. Oh, my pleasure. My pleasure. I know you're a busy man. You got a lot going on.

Yeah, I was excited to talk to you, man. I'm a big fan. God damn, I've been watching you since Cheers.

Oh, thanks, dude.

It's a long time.

Well, I'm a fan of yours, too. I really am. I love the things you've The guy you've done that just flipped everything on its head. The people you've interviewed that you got people genuinely up in arms. You're not afraid. You're a fearless warrior. Here, and I appreciate what you do. I get allowing voice to people. Other people will be like, you're wrong just to interview that person.

Yeah, you get a lot of that for sure. But that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous thinking. I don't even understand that. I really don't. I don't understand how we got to a place where you're wrong to have a conversation with someone, even if you disagree with them. This idea of platforming people. Well, how the fuck do you know what they really think? Think, based on what? The mainstream media that lies to you constantly, that's supported by all sorts of special interest groups that have no need to tell the American public the truth. They have a very specific narrative that they want pushed, and they want no deviation from that at all? The fuck out of here. The fuck out of here. It's crazy. If you have a large audience, I think you have at least a certain amount of responsibility to talk to some people that you think might be telling the truth.

Yeah, I liked your interview with Robert Malone. Yes. That was a crucial interview at a crucial time.

Well, that was the most pushback I'd ever experienced ever in my life. And I was like, this is crazy. It was really sad to see people like Joni Mitchell and Neil Young. I wanted to sit down and talk to them and show them some studies and give them Robert Kennedy's book and say, you don't really know what you're talking about.

Well, that's the thing that makes me sad is a lot of this information they're receiving is from mainstream media, which certainly has its own objectives and its own things that it won't discuss. Yes.

Yeah, at all.

And Yeah. And I just felt like after that happened, I was going to try to get in touch with you just to tip my hat to you, but it just felt like, why don't people just listen to the interview? Because I feel like everyone who was giving it a hard time hadn't even heard the interview. Of course.

Yeah. They had heard the mainstream media saying that it was dangerous misinformation. By the way, everything he said has turned out to be true. Every single thing he said had turned out to be true. Everything that everybody said about whether it was a lab leak, whether the vaccine had side effects, whether it was pushed, whether they lied about the studies and distorted the information, everything was true. All of it, Yeah. Yale just released some study about people producing spike proteins 700 plus days after the injections, which was never thought to be the case when they gave them to these people in the first place. A host of different serious problems that people are having because of these, that everyone's covering up and people are lying about and everyone's trying to obfuscate and doctors are trying to sweep things under the rug because they don't want to be in trouble for mandating these things and telling people to get these things. It's horrible.

Well, I mean, I agree with you. If we go back to the allowing... I just feel like to mandate was wrong. That to me is fascistic behavior. If you mandate that I have to take this thing, that if you take it, you're protected. Well, if I take it, wasn't that That should be my prerogative. I either want to be protected or don't want to be protected. Or maybe I am like I am, which is the last two entities on Earth I would trust with my health would be big pharma and big government. Like, those would be the last I would look to. How much big farm is done to just push it through that they know is bad for you, that they know harms you. And in this case, they know what's happened. And all we're left with after the, what was it, '86 that they mandated that you couldn't sue the vaccine company? And so since then, we've only been left with Vars, right? Yeah, Vars. The government... The government website. And there we have millions of people who fought through the red tape and then the bureaucratic whatever, just to anonymously be known that they were injured.

Yeah. It was weird watching so many people that I thought were intelligent stand up for the government and for the pharmaceutical industry.

But It's not weird if you think of how... I mean, it was ubiquitous. It never stopped. The mainstream press was just harping on it constantly.

Yeah, constantly. Yeah. But it's just weird that so many people went along with it without question. I mean, and especially the weirdest part was the people on the left. That was so confusing to me because all my life people on the left were very hesitant to believe anything that big pharma and always distrusting in any major institution that was profiting off of something. It was all very clear. You could see where the motivation was with everything. You could see the amount of profit that was going to be generated. Instead Still, everybody was just so scared. It just exposed a lot of cowards, a lot ofools, a lot of cowards, and a lot of people that are just, at the moment of any form of adversity, are willing to just bow down and do what the system tells them to. It's very strange.

Well, yes. I mean, to say cowards, it's interesting because of the nature of it being so mandated. I had many people I know got vaccinated because they wanted to be able to fly. They wanted to be able to work. So when it's mandated that you can't work, How many drivers? Every single driver had to be vaccinated. In Atlanta, every person on the crew had to be vaccinated. And if it was You had the first vaccination, but when you got the, what do you call the next... The boosters. The booster, it had to be within six months. If it's six months in a day, you won't work that day. It was very regimenated. Every Everybody in every crew.

Including people that had already been sick. It didn't even make sense. Not only that, you talk to virologists, they say you never vaccinate during a pandemic because it encourages variants. I posted that on Twitter, the study on Twitter, and so many people were attacking me. I'm like, Hey, I didn't write the study. This is a study that shows that when you vaccinate with a nonsterilizing vaccine during a pandemic, it encourages variants. And that's what happened. And they were blaming the- What do you mean nonsterilizing vaccine. So it doesn't... A vaccine that doesn't actually prevent you from catching the disease or spreading the disease. Oh, right. And that's what COVID is.

That's what the COVID vaccine is. Initially, it was supposed to stop you. It was 100% going to stop the... And then the Of course, that guy had to be modified. It came to now, it will lessen your symptoms. A completely unproofable claim.

There was never any studies ever in the beginning that ever showed that it stopped transmission. None. Zero. All it did is it showed that it had an immune response.

That's it. You read Bobby's book?

Oh, yeah.

Even the guy, interestingly, Cary Mullis, I believe his name, the guy who created the PCR test. Or, well, there was some discrepancy with other people. But anyway, it doesn't matter. But the guy credited. He said this vaccine, this test cannot prove- Infection. It doesn't prove causation. So in other words, you're having a response that says that you have a viral load, but you don't know what the cause of that is. You don't know what generated that. It can't prove what the illness is or what the problem is that causes that.

Depending upon the amount of cycles that you run the PCR, you could detect the most minute amount that is not indicative of the person being infected. And that person will have a false positive. And there's false positives through the fucking roof.

Yeah.

Yeah, the whole thing made no sense, and it was just designed to push a vaccine that they profited off of massively. And I hope we learn. I hope we learn. I hope next time things roll around, people are a lot more hesitant to just jump in and believe this shit.

Well, already they were coming up with additional vaccines for this or that or another booster. And people were like, yeah, no. So I think people have already started to question the validity of things.

Well, I think this pandemic and the response and the mandates and all that shit, it ruined people's faith in, first of all, the mainstream media. I think the mainstream media took the biggest hit at anybody. Like the The trust in the television shows and the newspapers that are supposed to be delivering the truth is at an all time low.

Well, I hope you're right.

Oh, I think I'm right. It's pretty obvious. I mean, the ratings are down on every fucking show there is. Newspapers, no one wants to buy them.

You mean sense dependent? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that.

Oh, yeah. Cnn is fucking no one's watching it anymore. Msnbc is a ghost town. No one's watching these shows because they're all just lying. They're still lying. They're lying constantly. And now they're lying about the Department of Government Efficiency when before they were lying about pandemics and vaccines. It's not really the news. If it was the news, they wouldn't be paid for by the pharmaceutical drug companies. You can't have the fucking news sponsored by the people that you're supposed to be reporting on, and then you never report on them. That's just crazy.

Yeah. Well, also that whole Trusted News initiative.

Yeah.

You're familiar with that? Yeah. I guess you would be. You talk to Bobby and everybody. But, yeah, the Trusted News Initiative is just like, okay, we won't... I'd send a YouTube video that I just got to someone else, and by the time it gets to them, they're like, it won't let me watch it. Yeah. Why? Mis But isn't misinformation also information? Yeah. It's like, how can you term it misinformation? And what are your criteria that allow you to call that misinformation?

Yeah. Well, I'm hoping people have learned, but it was a weird time. An educational time, though. It was a good experience for some people just to learn that, hey, there's sources that you cannot trust. And I think now the beautiful thing about someone like Elon buying Twitter and turning it into X and having community notes is now you have a way of fact-checking things where people use the community notes and they start posting studies in the community notes and saying, no, this story is not true. Here's why it's not true. Here's why it's provably not true. So this is the best way to handle misinformation. It's not leave it up to government censors. Yeah. And that was where everybody was going in 2020. It was just fucking crazy to watch.

Those weren't government censors. Those were the mainstream media censoring themselves.

Well, yeah, but I At the behest of government, but also at the behest of big pharma.

Yeah.

When we found out that the government was actively contacting social media companies and having them remove things that were true, Oh, oh. Because there was malinformation. Do you know that term? I haven't heard that before. There's misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation. Malinformation is true, but could have a detrimental effect on society. True information that can have a detrimental effect on society is malinformation. That also should be censored.

Oh my God.

It's Orwell. It's right out of 1984. It's crazy.

I feel so Orwellian, just the time we've gone through and the time we're in. It feels extremely Orwellian. It's very weird.

It's a weird time, but I'm optimistic.

I want to be optimistic. I think cynicism is the worst disease of all day. When you're cynical, you are fucked, man. It affects every part of your being. But you say very positive, right? Yeah. You seem like nothing can stop you.

I try to stay positive. I mean, I'm affected like everybody else is. I was down during the pandemic. It bothered the shit out of me. But we came through it on the other end, and I think people have more resolve now. I think generally, the general public has, at least a good percentage of the general public, has a healthy distrust now for bullshit.

Certainly your listeners. Yeah. Now, But after that Robert Malone thing happened, I was really curious. I was wanting to contact you and I didn't. But I was just curious how... Because, man, I never seen anyone take more body blows. But I got to say it was cool. They were like So they stood behind you. Is it Spotify? Yeah. Spotify is like, oh, really?

Well, fortunately, they're not American. It's not an American company.

Where are they from? Sweden.

So they're like, We're not buying it. Also, the show was big enough where they were like, why would we pull this thing off the air? Let's hang in there and see what happens. And it just kept getting bigger. And so they were realizing the people were basically on the side of free distribution of information, and they didn't buy it. But there was two guys, Peter McCala and Robert Malone. Those are the ones. Then there was some- Peter McCala.

Boy, he took a lot of hits. He did.

Most published doctor in human history in his particular field of study. I mean, he's well respected, rock solid, credentialed.

It was one of his videos I tried to send right after I got it. I tried to send to people. No. They were so quick. I've never seen such quick censorship or editing. Almost impressive.

It was creepy. What was it like in Hollywood having your perspective of your healthy distrust of what was going on where everybody was in lockstep with whatever the government propaganda was.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I don't know how many sets you visited, but everybody was in mass. And then there'd be different zones. The closer you get to the actual set where the shooting is, and then that red zone people, put your mask on. And I was just like, I never bought it. I never bought it from the beginning. I'm just like, I don't... This doesn't feel right. I'm supposed to wear a mask, but I haven't been sick. Now, I At this point, right now, I haven't been sick in eight years, right? Well, back then was whatever, six years. But it was just like I knew, well, no, I'm doing the math, but you know what I mean. But it had been a long time since I'd I'm sick. And I'm like, I don't feel like I need to wear a mask, so I would just not wear a mask. But everybody else on the set is wearing a mask, which is very discomforting because you can't even relate to people so well without seeing their face. It's very weird. It was very weird. Very strange time.

Yeah, the strangest. And it didn't make any sense. And there was also this narrative that if you weren't vaccinated, the virus is going to hunt you down. They keep saying that the virus will find you. If you're not vaccinated, the virus will hunt you down. You're like, what the fuck are you talking about?

It's so funny. I did a video. I wish I had it with me. But maybe Elia is out there, my assistant. Maybe she could pull it up for you.

Is it online?

No. But I did. It's 11 seconds. Yeah, she's listening. Hopefully I should look at it. But it's like I take, I take, inhale and hit a pot, right? And then I put on my mask. And blow it right through the mask. And I exhale. No, it just comes out every... Right? And every And every exhale... And by the way, hundreds of times heavier than a virus. Right? So viruses don't just... The concept... People have But for people saying trust in science, very unscientific concepts. Yeah. And Fauci, anyway, in the beginning, no, we don't need to wear a mask. And then someone said, no, you do. Oh, we should wear a mask. And So silly, that mask, man. Just something about it felt like it was just like Big Brother One. Big Brother One.

They won a battle. But I think ultimately, that's what's going to cost them the war.

I think the lessons learned from that. What do you think Bobby's going to be able to... I think he'll be able to accomplish anything.

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How do you think that's going to get through Congress?

We're going to find out. We're going to find out. Come on, dude. We're going to find out.

There's no way that gets through Congress. We'll see.

We'll see.

We'll See what the resistance is. But every one of those guys is getting money from big pharma. A lot of them are.

A lot of them are.

But also- Certainly all the Democrats.

People are paying attention now and they will get primaried, and I think they're aware of that. So I think there's a vulnerability for their entire career. If people find out that they weren't willing to do this in the face of overwhelming evidence. Like Bobby was just talking about the hepatitis vaccine, that they were saying that the hepatitis B vaccine, they were having a hard time selling it. And so all of a sudden start saying, don't worry about it. We're going to prescribe it for children. And they put it on the vaccine schedule for children. And they did that just because they were having a hard time. Because the only time you get hepatitis B is from dirty needles and risky sex. And people are like, I don't want that fucking thing. And so they're like, nobody was thinking.

You want to stand by that statement. That was the only time you got hepatitis B.

I think that's it.

There's just two possibilities. Dirty sex and dirty needles. What are the other ones?

Do you know of any other ones? Well, I mean, I think- It's a sexually transmitted disease.

Oh, it is? Okay.

It's transmitted through intravenous drug use.

Okay, then I didn't know. Yeah.

How do you think you got hepatitis B?

I just assumed you get run down. Like most sick people, you get run down, you get sick. No, I don't.

Well, let's Google it. What is the cause of hepatitis B, Jamie?

Infected blood or body fluids.

Yeah, that's how you get it. You don't get it as a fucking baby. So injecting babies with it. The only reason why they did that is to sell more hepatitis B vaccines. Yeah, if the mother has it. Unprotected sex with a defected person, mother to child, during child birth, breastfeeding if the mother is infected.

Yeah. Tattooing. Dude, you got a lot of avenues you could be.

Yeah. I guess Dirty needles. I guess that falls under dirty needles.

Yeah. But anyway, I just wonder that, it just, again, the profiteering, why are we not talking about profiteering? That should be on everyone's lips.

Exactly. That's what it's all about. That's all the woes and ills of our society. It's people emphasizing profit over humanity. That's really what it is.

Yeah.

That's really what it is.

Yeah. I agree.

Yeah. And it's also it's this fucking disgustingly short-sighted approach because you don't live that long. To live your life just profiteering off of the expense of other people suffering is so crazy. When And you got 80 years if you're lucky. You got 80 summers, 80 summers, 80 spins around the sun, and you're going to fucking sell people out for some money that you're never going to have enough of anyway. All those cocksuckers, they all want more. It never ends. They all want a bigger yacht. They all wanted this. They all wanted that. There was always something. It never ends. And somehow I know that we let them get away with it because we're profiting as well.

I was wondering about billionaires, you got to figure there's a certain hierarchy of billionaires, right? And so even if you're a billionaire and you're thinking, well, that guy, he's good. He's made it, right? Nope. Well, no. I want to be the richest guy. I mean, I don't know. I guess it never does in a way.

Well, if that's what your game is, right? So if your game is just numbers, you're never going to be satisfied. If your game is just numbers, you're always going to look at the other people. My friend Ryan has a friend that has $3 billion, and he says he hangs out with his billionaire friends and he feels poor because they have $30 billion. You know, crazy. Imagine $3 billion and feeling poor.

But I can Do you like it?

Do you like it? Do you understand the thought. It's stupid.

The poor white trash part of the group. Only three bills.

Poor bastard. How does he even buy a country? How do you even affect elections with $3 billion? That's nothing.

Yeah. That's weird. Local election.

Well, I mean, this is just a symptom of the moral decay of our society. We don't have a moral and ethical framework. We don't have a moral and ethical structure that we operate under. And too many people are just motivated by my money instead of humanity, instead of looking at people as like a community. We're all a community of people. You can still profit and you can still make money. But making more money at the expense of people's lives and suffering should be the most abhorrent thing that we could possibly imagine, especially if you're already wealthy. That should be absolutely disgusting to us. And that it's condoned and just accepted. And you shrug your shoulders. That's what people do.

Well, I think the majority of people agree with you 100 % on that. And the The majority people have a very humane and compassionate view of others. But there are those people who are just... It's like you say, it's a numbers game. Unfortunately, war makes people really rich. I guess, I don't know, big pharma would be the number one industry, but not far behind mind, it's got to be the weapons industry. And it's just like, why are these... If you even get away from why are these wars happening or are they justified? Why are they making that much profit off of these wars? Strange. That bothers me. I get sleepless over that. It should. Especially because the United States is just done... One World War II? Okay, I give you that one. But I certainly don't give you the Korean War over the potential domino theory, which was absurd. The same theory that... So 4 million people die in Korea, three and a half million in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia. They started carpet bombing in Laos, which is everything in a two-mile radius, presumed dead. What we've done throughout Central Central, South America, all over the world.

We've become masters of war, but toward what end? To help those rich people get richer. I would understand if it's a justifiable, you have to stop Hitler, Mussolini. I get it. But, come on.

It's crazy that it all really boils down to that. It really boils down to a lot of his people profiting.

I always have said that if war weren't so lucrative, there'd be a lot less of it.

Yeah.

No doubt. Sometimes just the war itself, that's a moneymaker.

Yeah. But it's like, how do you fucking do that? What do you got there, fellow?

I brought this for you, man. What is it? It's a very nice Northern California. You know I have a dispensary in LA? Oh, did you? Yeah, called The Voyage. It's phenomenal. It's the most beautiful dispensary in the world.

Isn't that crazy? I remember when it was completely, totally illegal, and then you had to have a medical card. And you just say you had a headache. That's all you have to say. You got back pain, you got a headache, you can get subscription or prescription, rather. And then it became legal. But just in 2016- It's not here. No.

It's decriminalized. It needs to be legal in Texas. It should be.

Well, it should be federally legal.

This could be such a... This state's so great anyway. We could We could change everything if Texas was legal.

Well, the whole country should be legal. The idea that America, the land of the free, criminalizes the use of a plant that's never killed anybody is fucking crazy.

It's legislating morality, and it's an odd morality anyway, because most people believe you should be able to smoke if you want.

Not only that, it's a morality that's based off bullshit about profiteering from the 1930s. So it's propaganda from the 1930s that's still working today, 90 years later, which is really crazy. That's the craziest part of it. And that really the only reason why I picked up steam is because they needed to put people to work after they had stopped banning alcohol. So Prohibition ended. Everybody's like, What do we do now? Well, let's I can go after marijuana. And then you get Harry Anslinger, Will You Have Randolph Hearst. They're all profiting from it, and they all fucking make the marijuana movies like Reef for Madness, and everyone's going to go crazy. And to this day, there's a lot of people who believe that. They think it makes you lazy. It makes you stupid.

It really is. Although I would say my stupid quotient. I'm dipped down to a new look. No, but I agree with you. I think that, yeah, like Anslinger, nobody knows about that. How this guy went all over the place and got governments all over the world to declare this the enemy drug. But I really just believe there's such a thing as consensual crime, which is victimless crimes. So if I'm smoking a joint, well, a lot of it's like the vaccine. If I'm smoking a joint, how does that hurt you? What am I doing to hurt you?

If you drive and fall asleep at the wheel and.

Well, that's one thing, of course.

But there's already laws for that.

Okay. Outside of the driving world, I don't see how I'm hurting you.

Outside of the driving world, that's really the end of it.

And if I'm not getting my job done, then fire me. Okay? So there's no... And by the way, most people do agree with this. But when you have over 70% of the people in jail are there for victimless crimes. Yes. Mostly drug-related crimes.

Well, then we go back to another thing, profiteering. Profiteering, once again. Because we have private prisons, which is crazy, where you're essentially taking human beings and you're using them as batteries to generate money. That's really what you're doing. The more people you get in there, the more profit you're pulling out of it, which is just crazy. Then you have prison guard unions that are lobbying to keep laws on the books. Victim crimes on the books, like marijuana.

Yeah. I imagine there's a lot of unions pushing it, but I didn't know until I saw the 13th. Is that what it was called, that movie? 13th Amendment? It was about the 13th Amendment? I didn't know about the... What's it called? There's a movie. I think it's called the 13th, if I'm not wrong.

Yeah. Is that right?

Yeah. Anyway, There it is. Yeah. That's the first time I really thought about it, in spite of being around prisons much of my life, I'd never thought about the fact that that's just They're making them work. It's just slave labor.

Exactly. Just making them work.

I had never thought about it.

Slave labor for insanely small amount of money, and they keep them locked up and they produce things.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And when you watch that, you believe it for sure. Did you see that?

No, I didn't see it. I'm aware of the laws, though. I'm aware of that's a lot of where the Jim Crow laws came from. Then they abolish slavery, what they did was just arrest people for basically anything and put them to work. That was the modus operandi.

Yeah, which is, I guess that's when all the 13th started was back then as a part of the Jim Crodos.

Again, it all goes the same thing, profit. Ironically, a lot of this lack of compassion could be solved with psychedelics. A lot of it. A lot of it. Where people expand their consciousness, understand that what doing is morally repelhensible. Even though you can justify it because it's illegal, it's disgusting. We should change those laws. Those laws don't make any sense because it's written on paper. It doesn't mean it's just. It doesn't mean it makes sense for logical rational people.

I agree. It'd be nice to get some acid in the punch bowl at some Congressional.

Well, consensually.

I think- Man, consensual? I mean, you're not going to get all those guys who needed to agree to it. So I'm just saying, Go a little in the punch bowl. They're all going by the punch bowl.

Do you know who Graham Hancock is? He's an expert on ancient history, like a renegade historian. He's got a alternative version of ancient society, ancient civilizations. But the point is- He has a podcast? He's got two seasons of a series called Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. It's really amazing. Basically, his field of study is the evidence that human beings and human civilization has gone through a reset, and that somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and this is all supported by this theory called the Younger Dries Impact Theory, where they found evidence that the Earth was bombarded by comets at more than two different times in history that probably reset civilization. And that this is probably why you see ancient structures that people can't explain, and these stone buildings that have incredibly complex geometry and precision building from thousands and thousands of thousands of years ago.

Like at the World Fair in Chicago, they had all those buildings.

That's a little different. Are you talking about that? No, that's a little different. I'm talking about ancient Egypt. You're talking about super ancient. I'm talking about Turkey. I'm talking about like, Golbekli Tepi and these ancient structures they found that are absolutely 11,000 plus years old, where people were supposed to be just hunter and gatherers, and that we had thought up until last 40 or 50 years that society emerged around 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia. What he believes is that that is a reemergence of society, and that society had already reached a very high level of sophistication around 12,000 years ago, and that something happened, some gigantic cataclysm, and reset things. But Graham is also an enthusiast of ayahuasca and the power of psychedelic medicine, and he has often said that to run governments, it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions. You should probably do it publicly.

So you really find out.

Imagine getting Lindsay Graham fucked up on mushrooms and then filming them.

I would love to see that.

It'll be amazing.

It would be amazing. What I would give to see that. Oh, it would be amazing. But it would be nice if they had a little more... Because it's almost those drugs that you're talking about are just like... It's like the universal God's little helperper.

Yeah.

To help you see how the world really works. God's little helper. The illusory nature of what it is we're experiencing. And to come from the heart.

Yes. They encourage compassion. They encourage kindness and love. We need a lot more of that in this world. And that's the problem with being so politically and ideologically divided. It's so easy because people are so tribal. It's so easy to hate the other tribe, the other people are the enemy. And so we've got this bizarre thing where we're supposed to be a community, but we're a two-sided community. And one side hates the other side. And whoever is in power, those people are the problem.

That is such a weird part of the human in... I don't know. He had nature, whatever you want to call it. Psychology. He's like, And I noticed just the other day, there was some dude, I can't remember what the context was, but I remember he came into my zone and I thought, I'll get this fucking guy, man. He's such an asshole. You could just tell. You could just feel it. And then I thought, Wait, why are you... You've got nothing that tells you that that's true. Other than maybe you're jealous because he's more handsome than you are. Anyway, and so I go, How are you doing? And he smiles and I'm like, This guy's incredible. All you need to do sometimes is just generate a smile on that other person who you think is an asshole's face, and suddenly they're a kid. It's suddenly you're in a different... You're using your kid choose to interact.

Well, that's the importance of charisma, right? Because a person isn't exactly who they are. They're who they are when they interact with you. And however you interact with them will affect the way they interact with you. It's a two-way street, most interactions.

If they see a frown on your face, then inevitably, there's a frown on their face. Inevitably. Yeah. Yeah. But it's smiles generate smiles. And if you think about it, that is the easiest energy-generating thing is another person smiling and getting you to smile.

And common ground. I think that's the problem with the media and with political ideologies is that there's no currency in common ground. The currency is all in division. That's where you can gain the most momentum, get the most people on your side. You have to say the other people are the enemy. Common ground is much more common. Most people agree. Most people want to be safe. They want to be healthy. They want to be happy. They want to have friends. They want to have a good time. They want to have a nice family. They want to be loved. They want to have love. That's most people. And they think that the other people are trying to prevent that. Instead of just accentuating those important factors and saying we should all concentrate on that, and then we should all look at things that prevent that. What are the things that prevent happiness and love and health. Let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society. Yeah. The problem is, you don't make a lot of profit doing that. The profit is in the division The media does push the divide for sure. The media is bullshit.

First of all, they're dying. They're dying like AM radio. They're not going to make it. They're not going to make it. The internet is more compelling and independent journalism is more accurate. And it's going to be more and more- Are you sure that's not a subjective vantage point, Joe? It's certainly subjective. It's certainly subjective.

All your vantage points are subjective.

Yes, everything's subjective. It's definitely subjective. But listen, I think there are very good people that work in journalism. I think there are very good people that work at the New York Times, the Washington Post, and even in CNN. I know them. I know people that work at CNN, and I like them. I know people that work at the New York Times, and I like them very much. The problem is the institution, and the institution is based on profit. And where do you get your money? Well, you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies, from NGOs. There's funding from all these different political groups. That's the problem. The problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant. In doing so, what's crazy is if you're in the information business, well, you can't be accurate. You cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a bullshit narrative because those are the people that are supporting you. So therefore, they're not going to make it. It's like you see the writing on the wall. It's like, this is not tenable. You're not going to be able to continue this.

You're going to either have to adjust course or you're going to be swallowed. People realize that now with the internet, when you got people like Matt Taibi and Michael Schelenberger and Glenn Greenwell, respected journalists who are now on the outside. Now they've amassed this huge following on the outside because if you go to Glenn Greenwald, he's going to tell you what's actually going on. Why are we invading this? Why are we bombing this? What is going on? He'll tell you, It all goes back to 2013 when this was passed and this is what happened and they tried to do this, and this is what we're trying to do because there's oil here or there's minerals there. And you're like, Oh, fuck. But most people don't have the time to to do that a deep dive. So you turn on CNN, and CNN says, It's safe and effective. Have you gotten your knife booster? Get your knife booster. The fucking anchors are blacking out on TV, and it's like, Wow. You They're in a trap. They're in a trap. First of all, they're in a trap because of the actual format of the show sucks. Format of television show suck.

You have three talking heads yelling at each other five minutes before commercial. Everyone's trying to get a bite that goes viral, and then you cut to a commercial about antidepressants, and then you come back. You come back and there's a flood and there's fucking Detroit's frozen. Do you see that shit in Detroit? They had a flood and then it froze. And so you got cars up to the fucking windshield, frozen solid in the streets and car alarms going off.

I haven't seen that.

Yeah, it happened yesterday. There was some a water main line broke, probably because of the cold. And then the streets flutter. And then the streets, when they flooded, then they froze. And so all these cars, literally up to the windshield, stuck. See if you can find it. It's crazy to look at. Look at this.

Entire streets filled. Oh, my God.

If you watch a video of it, all the car alarms are going off. The car alarms are going off and all the cars are frozen. Give me some... Well, you can hear it if you put your microphone. Yeah, put your headphones on. Listen to this.

That is wild, man.

So everybody's fucking car alarms going off because the car is getting crunched. So the cars are getting disturbed. So they're getting crunched. The cars think that people are breaking into them. Minus 70. As if Detroit doesn't have enough fucking problems.

Oh, my God. Poor Detroit.

Yeah. Crazy.

Yeah, but Detroit has been doing so well lately. It's really... I went there not long ago. They're making a come back. It was phenomenal. They're making a come back. I'm like, wow, what a fun place. Well, you know what? Artists take it over and it just became... It's pretty groovy.

Artists and artisans and companies that are proud, like Chinola, that company.

Yeah, that's my buddy, Tom Cartsotis. Oh, they're great.

Do you know him? No, I don't. But I bought their stuff.

He's one of the great humans on this planet. Yeah, he started Chinola. Chinola is a great company.

It's a great company. I have one of their laptop bags.

And he's an incredible guy.

They make awesome stuff. They make great watches, great stuff, but made in Detroit, like, proudly.

Yeah, Yeah. And they got the record player that he did with Mike White. No. Jack White? Jack White. I knew that was I'm not even right. Mike White makes the White Lotus. Yeah, no. Jack White. Yeah. And they also do vinyl. They make all these vinyl. Oh, that's cool. Those guys do cool stuff, man. Yeah.

Well, last time I was in Detroit, I did the box theater, and I saw a lot of that, too. A lot of small shops and cool places because real estate's cheap. So people are moving in and artists are doing things, and it's fun. It's like a little bit of a revival after they got fucked by the auto industry.

Well, yeah, for sure.

More profiteering, right? Sent all the fucking jobs to other countries because you can get people to work for slave labor.

Yeah. Now they're dealing with this incredible ice flood.

Yeah. I think that's a small, isolated area, but still pretty fucked. Oh, go fig. Are you still in LA?

Where do you live? I'm in Austin right here with you. Yeah, you are.

Where do you live, though? Where do you spend most of your time?

No, I live in Austin. Oh, do you? I live in Austin.

I didn't know you lived here.

Yeah. I live in the drip.

Oh, nice. Dripping Springs is great. I love it out there. That's a nice place. That's a nice area.

No, I'm determined you and I are going to I have to hang out sometime socially. Let's do it.

I would love to do that. Let's do it. Yeah? Yeah. Fuck, yeah. Okay.

Well, you don't feel just like you're back against the wall?

No, I love you, man. Come on. I'll hang out with you anytime. Great. Call me 2: 00 in the morning. We'll go meet you somewhere. I don't give a fuck. Okay, perfect. I'll bring you down to my Comedy Club.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I bought a Comedy Club on sixth Street. What's it called? Comedy mothership.

Yeah, I'd like to do that.

It's fun. It's a great place. My buddy Jimmy Dore is there this weekend, who's also great, and he's filming his comedy special. There this weekend. Oh, really? Yeah. Jimmy Dore is amazing. He is another guy that's risen as an independent journalist. He's a comedian. He started his show basically just making fun of political things. Then during the pandemic, got vaccine injured and really got red pilled and became the voice of truth and reason. Another guy has been completely outcast by supposedly progressive people for just telling the truth, the inconvenience Inconvenient truth.

But I guess the progressives, are they now the Conservatives? We got to change the term because progressives seem a lot less progressive. I really felt quite during this whole thing. I think they got co-opted. I felt quite. Yeah, co-opted.

I think they got co-opted, and I think it was on purpose. I think there was some very sophisticated psychological manipulation that was involved, and a lot of money was spent in order to push some very specific narratives. They did a great job of it. They did a great job, but we were finding out because of the Department of Government Efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars, which is really fucking crazy. A lot of these NGOs that supported a lot of these crazy riots and all these different things that were happening in our cities was really supported by our own tax dollars. It was just a subversion of public discourse. Instead of allowing people to figure out what's right and what's wrong, they pushed what they wanted you to say, and anybody who deviated from that was canceled. Because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter, the left had complete total control over the narrative because they owned all the social media sites and they were in lockstep with the government. It was just a dark time for information, but a few brave people brave the storm, and one of them was Jimmy.

That's good.

That's a good- He's great. You would love him.

Shout out to him. He's great. I remember when the guy was... Remember that guy? I think they were in London, maybe. But it was the guy who was, I think, directed one portion of Pfizer, and he met with some guy and he had a body cam. The other guy had a body cam. It was like a date on Tinder.

Oh, it was like one of those Project Veritas, James O'Keefe things.

Did you not see it?

I'm sure I did.

But this is the perfect example of how the Trusted News Initiative managed to... A lot of news just never got to people because the guy had a body cam, and he's talking to him and the guy who works for Pfizer is saying they just had a meeting talking about how they could weaponize these other viruses in order to basically create another pandemic so that they would have the vaccine to address it and make more money, which is not a surprising thing that they would be discussing. But what was great was he admitted it to the guy while they're sitting there at a little diner.

It's always chatty gay guys.

No, but the main thing...

It's always chatty gay guys. It's always a guy on a date with another guy. It's like, I'll tell you what we're doing. It's like they just chatted up.

But the incredible thing, the stuff that he said was incredible. Well, it was more incredible. He told the guy basically that he'd been filming him. The guy freaks out. Anyway, this should have been across every possible platform of media. Of course. And yet you did not see it zero in mainstream media. But because Musk had bought Twitter, Musk put it on and it immediately got 40 million views. And also, what's his name? Tucker Carlson put it on. And then there was a lot of views that way. But other than that, but if you ask your average person, they never heard of this incident. It's like an amazing thing talking about, what's the term for that? The weaponization of a virus. Do you know?

He's looking it up. Term for the weaponization of a virus?

Yeah.

I don't know.

Anyway, they do it. But that's what they think that they were doing in China.

In Wuhan?

Well, 100 They were weaponizing that.

Well, that was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up. It used to be if you brought that up on YouTube, you get pulled from YouTube. Now it's a fact. Now it's an undeniable fact. All the things, like you said about Robert Malone, all the things that he said are now fact. Everything, every single one of them. The fact that the injection doesn't stay locally, that it infects various parts of your body in different ways. If it gets to your heart, it's very dangerous because your doesn't have the ability to heal, which is why you don't get heart cancer. So your heart just scars over and you get myocarditis. He started talking about all these different effects, and he personally was vaccine injured. So he was a guy who took it, almost had a fucking heart attack. Was like, what is going on? His whole body, freaked out. It was deadly sick, managed to get through it, then started speaking out against it, then started doing more research and finding out what was going on. And then that was the collective freak out.

Well, it's It's incredible that so many people were injured, and yet it's still not a widely discussed thing. I think people are discussing it.

More people are discussing it now, but it's still There's a lot of people that don't want to bring it up because they don't want the heat. They saw what happened to people that did bring it up, and they don't want that coming their way. It's still fresh in their memory, and they keep their mouth shut. Yeah.

But over time- Did you find out what it was called? What biological welfare? I don't know. No, no. It's a term. It's a term for it.

A term? I don't know what the term is.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. I don't know. It's a crazy time in this world.

Yeah. But crazy times are fun, too, because people snap out of it. They pop through it, they come out on the other side, and they go, What the fuck was going on? Then you have a reexamining of society. And I think that's happening right now, and I think that's a good thing. As long as people keep their cool and they don't go tribal. You can't go tribal. You can't go us versus them. They're the bad guys. All those people with blue hair, those fucking pieces of shit. No, they're sad, lost people. That's what it is. Sad, lost, angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems that is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money.

It always comes down. Yeah, follow the money. Follow that fucking cheese. Every time.

It's always the money. And it's never enough. It's a weird thing about us. And again, I think part of the problem is this lack of methods to escape. And I don't mean escape reality. I mean, to escape the fog, the fog of propaganda. That's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970. Germany. Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti-war effort in the civil rights movement. That's why they turned the schedule one, the sweeping schedule one Prohibition Act of all psychedelic drugs. That's what that was about. It wasn't about protecting society. If it was, they would have got rid of OxyContin. They would have got rid of addictive painkillers and Vicodin, Percasets. They never got rid of any of that stuff.

They got rid of Big Macs, for that matter. I know. Listen, I know you're a meat guy. You love me. But can we say Big Macs are not the greatest thing for you?

No, they're not great. They're not great for you. But I feel like you should be able to eat a Big Mac if you want to.

I feel like you should have some discipline. You shouldn't have to do anything if you want to. I wouldn't care if you shot up right now.

But that's what I'm saying. Don't get rid of Big Macs, but don't eat them every day, you fucking idiot. It's like I say about Doritos. People are like, Oh, we should get Doritos off. No, Doritos, as they are, are a perfect snack. They're delicious, but they're fucking terrible for you. Just like cigarettes It's just like whiskey. They're terrible for you. But in the moment, they're great. The key is recover and then don't do it every day. That's the key. The key to all things is moderation, all things.

Dude, I wish you'd give me this speech like 20. It's something precipiced after 21. I just started. I became immoderate. In fact, I didn't even smoke pot until I was 21. I didn't smoke pot until I was 30. And I didn't drink.

Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I thought it was going to turn you into a loser. I bought into all of it. I grew up with a lot of people that had drug problem. Problems. I wanted to succeed in life. My biggest fear was being a loser, just someone who just never got their shit together. And I was like, well, anything that gets in the way of being successful and being healthy and happy, avoid that.

Now, what at point did you say to yourself, I'm not a loser. There's no chance of me being a loser.

Oh, I don't know if you ever think. I guess I think that now. But I think you're- Or do you sometimes doubt it and say, I'm a loser. Well, I definitely think I'm very hypercritical, self-critical. I battle against that because I think that's something that anybody who strives to be successful battles against. You know what I'm You just feel like you could do more. But there's a balance between doing more and being happy, enjoying yourself, but also accomplishing things you want to do, feeling fulfilled, having worthwhile goals, things that you think are valuable, not just to you, but valuable to other people.

Yeah. And then do you feel like you've... I mean, you must feel pretty good about it.

I feel like that now. Yeah, but I don't think about it, honestly, because I think if you think about it, then you get lost. Then you get like, look how good I am. You can get really lost in success, or you get intoxicated by that, too. So I think you just got to exist. You got to exist and not feed your insecurities, but also don't feed any delusions of grandeour either. Just be a person. Just learn how to be a human being.

But that's got to be hard for you, dude, because you're at the tippy top of the tippy top, and everybody's got to be kissing your ass and telling you how great you are. It's got to be hard to not allow your ego to dictate things.

Yeah, I don't know. I stomp my ego pretty good. I do it with workouts. I do it with martial arts. I do it with cold plunging and saunas. I put myself through voluntary adversity. It's pretty fucking brutal. And that's my best way to achieve a home homeostasis. That's my best way to achieve a balance. I put myself through way more than life ever gives me so that I'm always... I get it. You're always vulnerable, you're always weak. You're always, you're always late. There's always something. So as long as you confront that all the time, all the time, and keep your mind healthy and balanced and have a healthy perspective. There's a lot of like new agey bullshit terms that, unfortunately, have been co-opted by silly people. But a lot of those, they're very important. Like gratitude. Gratitude is a really important quality that people should have. Mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have. But these things are co-opted by goofy people that wear wooden beads and want you join their cult. They want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual. Unfortunately, really good concepts are often tainted by silly people.

Like Love and God and a lot of the things that are really beneficial to us as a society. They get co-opted by goofy people. How many people have been turned off by religion by watching mega pastors in this huge churches, flying around in private jets and driving a Rolls-Royce. It's like, oh, well, this is all bullshit.

I had a couple of jokes. No. Go Do you think... I mean, I'm curious. I must have heard you talk about this, but what is your concept of religious? Do you have a specific religion that you adhere to?

Not necessarily. I'm not in favor of any restrictive religions. I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people that don't follow them. I'm not in favor Are there any religions that force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to or you're a sinner or cast out. I I think that most religious experience... I think most religion is based on human beings, very unique experiences that have provided enlightenment, and they're trying to express that enlightenment to other people. I think the problem with religious stories are that people are full of shit, and a lot of those stories suck. A lot of those stories are probably distorted by the hand of man. But I I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were probably inspired by psychedelic experiences. There's a great book called The Sacred Mush in the Cross by John Marco Allegro. Do you know about that book?

I've heard of it, but I never read it.

It's a great book. But it's very hard to follow because unless you understand Aramaic, unless you understand the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

I'm fluent in Aramaic. Oh, congratulations. Are you really? Yeah. I got Aramaic. I got obviously French. I had to learn Spanish when I was working construction in Houston. And then, yeah, I got- Can you hear him with that microphone?

I got to push that microphone up.

I got some of the click language. Oh, really? No, I only speak. Only English. Come on, Jay.

Well, the John Marco Lego book, he was an ordained minister, but he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea scrolls, and he did it over the course of, I think it was about 14 years. Then he wrote this book because it was his belief, and he was a very straight-laced scholar. He wasn't a psychedelic enthusiast, but he believed that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And he thinks that a lot of these stories, that their origins come from that. Really? Yeah. And he believed that a lot of it was the amenita muscaria mushroom, which is a very confusing using mushroom because a lot of people have a hard time tripping on it. They don't know exactly. Terrence McKenna believed that the problem was that the psychedelic compounds in it varied regionally and genetically. And then they weren't all the same, and that a lot of these people that were having these experiences were not... It really depended upon where you get them from and how you got them and how you treated it, and a lot of that information was lost.

And also, there's certain religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things like Soma. Soma from the ancient Hindu texts. They don't know what was in there. They don't know what it was. But it seems like it was some a psychedelic compound, whether it was a blue Lotus and psilocybin or a combination of many things, like the Illycindian mysteries, where in ancient Greece, they believed that that was ergot, that ergot was mixed in with the wine ergot, which is a very similar experience to LSD.

Oh.

Yeah. There's a great book on that, too. If you never read it, it's called The Immortality Key by a scholar named Brian Murorescu, who's a brilliant guy who's been on the podcast a couple of times. But he's done a lot of really legitimate work on proving that these vessels, these wine containers that they had from these ancient time, they found trace elements of ergot in these wine vessels. And they know that wine back then was not just fermented grapes. They would add a bunch of things to the wine.

A little party place.

Yeah. So these experiences that people would have, they would go to Elyssus. And I went there when I was in Greece a couple of years ago. And it's an amazing place, man. When you're there, it feels weird. When you go to the place where they had these psychedelic rituals, the place has a bizarre memory that you feel when you're there. Because you can literally walk on the where they had these rituals. And you're there and you're like, whoa, this place feels wild. My kids were like, what's wrong? I'm like, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm just like, I'm weirded out by this place. I feel it. I feel like a bizarre connection with this place. It feels alive. It's like it's humming or something. It was very weird. Very weird. I was touching the rocks and just trying to feel what's going on here. It's like you got to Thousands of years ago, these people were just tripping balls and inventing democracy right here at this very spot. It's literally the roots of democracy.

They had to be tripping to think of something so bold as democracy. Yeah.

It is literally what we were talking about. If you want something that accentuates compassion and this sense of family and brotherhood and sisterhood, that we're all together in this thing, what better than psychedelic drugs? Yeah. And that's why they're illegal. Exactly. It gets in the way of this us versus them narrative that is so prevalent in our goofy society that's detached from these sacred compounds.

The herb, it really is a unifying thing. I've always, from the first time I tried it, I just felt such bond of me, such compassion to everybody around me.

Yeah, it makes you kinder. It makes you kinder.

It makes you kinder.

Yeah, that's why they call it kind bud.

Kind bud?

That's probably why they call it that.

I have a little of the kind bud. Yeah, no, I like the The image of it is just a unifier. And so that's what makes me wonder, why does Texas not just say, Hey, let's open the doors to this? It's not a bad thing. You could have the best café It's in Austin.

I know. Yeah. Well, it's weird because there's certain weed here that's legal. What is it? Delta 9? Is that the legal stuff or Delta 8? Which one? I know what you're talking about. It's weird. It's weird because it's pretty much just weed. Yeah.

I never got into that stuff, though.

It's just a different version of the plant.

But it doesn't get you high.

Oh, yeah, it does.

Really?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll get you some.

Oh, yeah. I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what they're doing.

I don't know how they're doing it, but somehow they're skirting around the rules and developing something that is basically the same.

I'll get over to the Delta 9 center.

Yeah, That's basically like weed's twin sister that has different genetics. I don't know. I don't understand it.

Now, I heard they're trying to work out a thing where there's no more of those exceptions here.

Oh, well, that would suck.

The legislature.

That's goofy. I mean, there's plenty of things to concentrate on. Why concentrate on that? It's a dumb rule. It's a dumb rule that's mostly enforced by people who don't know what the experience is. They have a distorted idea what the experience is, and they think it's just going to make people losers.

Well, also it's being mandated from people with different kinds of desires, and a lot of it financial. But, you know I consider a crime anything I do that hurts you or your property. Otherwise, there's no crime.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, I agree.

And I think we got to get past that. I think there's just a lot of people that recognized that. What they did in the 1970s was very effective. They threw water on the entire psychedelic movement and the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement, and they did it by scanning a lot of these compounds that were changing the way people thought about life. And the whole peace, love, and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs. All of it. And it was a revolutionary, complete change of society from 1950 to 1960. I mean, 10 years, things became... The music and culture became almost unrecognizable. It could change so radically. And I think it was terrifying to the powers that be. And unfortunately, the propaganda that they pushed, just like the propaganda that we saw during the COVID times and propaganda that you have whenever there's a war, that propaganda is sticky. That stuff sticks. It sticks around for a long time. And unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective. It's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without a personal experience. Most of these people that are like, straight-laced, no-nonsense type folks, they don't want to smoke weed.

What am I going to ruin my brain? I've heard legitimate scientists say, I would never want to interfere with the way my brain works. Okay, do you drink coffee? Shut the fuck up. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Do you exercise? What do you do? Do you eat good food? There's a lot of things that change the way your brain works. This is a dumb way to look.

You really want your doctor looking healthy. You don't want to walk in and see some obese, having heart trouble breathing type of guy. It's going to give you your advice.

Well, that was one of the most fascinating things about COVID. When I was talking to Dr. Peter Hotez, who's an overweight guy who eats junk food, and he's telling me everybody's got to get vaccinated. I'm like, Are you healthy? Are you healthy? Because you don't see, do you work out? Do you eat well? Do you take vitamins? No, no, no, no. None of those things. But you think that like chemicals, that the only way that you're going to get healthy is from a laboratory and an injection. That doesn't seem real. That seems crazy.

The whole notion is to bolster your immune system's response to this specific item, right? But If your immune system is strong, you really have nothing to fear. If your immune system is weak, you have also a lot to fear by taking a vaccine that can, with this recent one, It actually hurts the immune system. It harms the immune system. Especially with repeated doses. At least old people should get vaccinated. Should old people get vaccinated?

I don't think so. Yeah. I mean, the problem was also any... I mean, this is Dr. Birks is now admitting this when she's being questioned is that they stopped any early treatments that weren't the vaccine, and that they probably shouldn't have done that, and that a lot of people could have been saved because of that. And that's true. And that's something that people need to... That's one of the best aspects of Bobby's book, Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is understand what pressures were put on these organizations to stifle and completely stop the prescription use of a bunch of different things, hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin. Also, the studies that were done on vitamin D deficiencies and how that impacted immune systems and just sunlight, exercise, diet. All those things play a critical factor in how well your immune system functions. The idea that the only way your immune system functions at its peak is you got to stick a fucking metal pin filled with a solution that gets plunged into your tissue. That's the only way. It's the only way, Woody. You got to shove a fucking needle in your arm.

Like, what? But you make a great point because it's like, why didn't we hear from America's doctor, Foucha, or the other representatives from the medical industry, maybe eat less sugar? Yeah. Maybe eat less fast food, maybe exercise. There was no other directive. No. Take the vaccine. No.

That's the only directive. They didn't want a fat shame. So they never told anybody to lose weight, which is one of the major comorbidities that affected people negatively.

Yeah. Bill Mahr was on to that really early. That's a good point.

It's weird, weird times. But again, I have hope.

Yeah, me too, man. In spite of everything, I have hope. Because I believe in people, generally. I do, too. There's people who in California and New York, they look at Texas as this lost state. You know what I mean? Greatest people in the world. Greatest, kindest, nicest people. But you may not want I want to talk about certain subjects. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Just avoid those subjects. You get along.

And even the subjects that you're supposed to avoid, why? Why are we avoiding them?

Well, I agree. I'd like to talk about any subject. I like a little healthy debate.

Also, I want to know why you think the way you think. If you think totally different than me, I want to sit down with you and I want to give you all the room in the world to say what you think. I want to know how you came to those conclusions. I want to know what your childhood was like. I want to know what experiences have you had that led you to have these concrete evaluations of the way society is that are so different than mine.

That's a great compassionate vantage point. That's what we really lacked.

Yeah, we need that. You need to sit down with people that you don't agree with and find out. And oftentimes, they fall apart. That's just the fascinating thing. Give them enough room. Just keep talking to them. They fall apart. One of the weirdest conversations I had on this podcast was talking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN. They sent him over here to fucking straighten me out. And by the end of it, it was a very bizarre conversation. By the end of it, he was essentially agreeing with me.

I had heard that he didn't think you should necessarily vaccinate. I thought he was a little more He's progressive on that.

He's smart, but he's also working for CNN, and he's also a neurosurgeon. So he's a bright guy. He's just captured by the system. And that's part of the problem. But there was a lot of things that didn't in any sense. One of the ones where he wanted me to get vaccinated after I had recovered from COVID.

I'm like, dude, I had COVID. Shouldn't that be the reason I'm already vaccinated, basically?

Yeah. Well, I'd recovered from COVID in three days. It wasn't hard at all. And that's when I got hit. That's when everybody came to me. It was because I was a bad example, because I was healthy. And I was giving people bad information by telling them all the things that I took to get better, which is really weird. And then they focused on this one thing, which was Ivermectin. I read a long I've got an IVR list of stuff that I took. Iv vitamins, NAD, Ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies. I talked about all the different stuff that my doctor put me on, and I was better in three days. And then what did CNN do? They turned my face yellow. They put a filter on the video to make me look sick, and they started talking about me taking horsepaste, which is crazy. They said I was taking a veterinary medicine.

Yeah, the Ivermectin? Yeah. They're suddenly calling it that in spite of it treating millions of humans effectively.

Millions of prescriptions have been filled. Billions. Billions of times human beings have taken Ivermectin.

They have the guy who invented it in the statue at the WHO. I mean, That's why? Because he invented Ivermectin. Yeah, he won the Nobel Prize. That was an interesting thing how they made these other drugs negative. What was it? Hydroxychloroquine. Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. That was another one. Victine, which some legitimate doctors found to be effective. What's a treatment for malaria. You can't even bring it up. Then you couldn't even get it. Yeah. Suddenly, they made it ungettable.

Yeah. Well, you couldn't get it Walgreens. They wouldn't prescribe it for you unless you had some...

Malaria or something.

Yeah, you'd have to have or some a parasite. That's why they said it was a dewormer because it was anti-parasitic. But when I said it to Sanjay Gupta, I go, But yes, but it's also been shown to stop viral replication in vitro. I said, you know that, right? And you could see this look on his face like, oh, shit. Because that's a fact. They've studied viral replication You use Ivermectin petri dishes, it stops viral replication. It's a fact. There's studies on this. Also, it's like one of the most safe drugs known demand. It's like the safety profile is incredible. This idea that rolling stones printing articles that people are having overdoses from Ivermectin and people can't get into the emergency room because of gunshot wounds. They even showed a photograph of a bunch of people outside of an emergency room wearing winter coats in August because it was a photograph of people waiting in line to get a flu shot. It was a bullshit photograph that fucking Rolling Stones published. This is so wild to watch because it's not just propaganda, it's really shitty propaganda because there's not much truthful they can say that would go against this stuff.

So they have to just say it's horse dewormer. You're a fool. You're taking horse dewormer. But what they didn't understand is at the time, they didn't understand the media landscape. They thought that they were still huge, but they didn't understand an average video on my show was 10 times bigger than their show. It's just we weren't talking about it. We weren't saying it. So they still thought they were CNN. They were going to crush this rebellion against this one specific thing that you had to do, which was get vaccinated.

Right.

Remember when Biden, rather, was on television, he was talking about the hurricane was coming. Most important thing when the hurricane is coming is get vaccinated. Everything's harder if you're not vaccinated.

Yeah. Well, all that money they gave those guys. They gave them a lot of money. They had to do something. Little payback.

It's wild, though. It's going to affect their ability to make money in the future. That's for sure. Especially CNN.

Yeah. They all take a hit. Honestly, I I don't miss these other organizations anymore.

I watch them every now and then.

They lost my confidence.

Yeah. Yours and most people's. I think that's good. I do. I think that's just healthy. That's the human mental immune system, weeding out pathogens.

That's true. The media you take in can certainly be a pathogen.

Yeah, it is. But again, there's a lot of cool shit out there. It's like you can concentrate on that or you can concentrate on how much cool music there is now, how much great comedy there is now, how many great movies there are now. There's plenty of things to concentrate on. The problem is there's a lot of people, their business is division. Yeah.

What's that song? Politics and Religion Causing More Division. But it's really Government and media causing more division. It's really money. It's really money.

If there was no money in politics and there was no money in pharmaceutical drugs and there's no money in war, we'd live in a much better place.

Your lips to God's ears on that.

Yeah. It's just we have to move closer to that somehow or another. And whether Bobby Kennedy can help us along those lines and all these other people that are trying very hard to stomp out a lot of this bullshit that we've been experiencing for so along, hopefully.

Yeah. I mean, Bobby, I really hope he's able to do some good things because he's certainly a man on a mission and a man who cares deeply.

Yeah.

And I think really heroic how much he stood up for things that he didn't need to talk about, that didn't help him in any way. He just took one arrow after the other over it. To me, even if he was wrong, which I don't think he was, then it's heroic to do that. Yeah.

Yeah. And he wasn't wrong. The thing is, I was a victim of that propaganda. And I told him that when I met him and I had him on the show. I said, I always thought you were a kook. I had always heard. I'd bought into it. I just had this cursory examination of what people were saying about you. Like, oh, that guy doesn't believe in vaccines. He's a nut. He's some an anti-science nut. He was just a conspiracy theorist. He's just like all these other nutty people. And then I read his book and I was like, okay, well, this book is real. Why isn't he getting sued? If it's not real, why is he getting sued? If all these things he's saying about Anthony Fauci during the AIDS crisis, if that's not true, why is he not getting sued? I would sue the fuck out of him if he lied about me and said I was vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them. I would sue you if that was not true. Hey, you fucking liar. I never did that. This is a lie. You can't prove. But it's not a lie.

If it was a lie, he'd get sued. If it be in truth, they just ignored it. But, man, that is a heavy tome. Oh, my God. There's some info in there. Just blew my mind. The way Fauci was able to get these principal investigators from all these respectable colleges and put them on these committees. It ended up saying, yeah, this is the vaccine we'll use. This We use the... We use AZT. He started with the AZT thing. Oh, yeah. And AZT was known to be a highly toxic, really ineffective drug. And, of course, that was the one they picked. And so they started using that again. And I don't know how many people that killed. That killed friends of mine. Act was very toxic, and they finally had to yank it. Now they use different chemical cocktails. But they Fauci did some extraordinarily evil shit. He knows what he did.

He was the villain of the Dallas Buyers Club, that movie. That was about people trying to seek alternative treatments to deal with AIDS.

Oh, right. I never- That's Fouch.

That's Azt. Magic Johnson got on Azt, and he was killing him, and he got off of it.

Yeah. And he's still alive.

And he's still alive. Yeah. It's It's a bummer. It's just a bummer that someone had that power for so long. It was such a fucking monster.

Did you see that little meme that went around? It was right after he got first time anyone ever got prepardoned. Yeah. And you said, nothing says trust science like a blanket prepardon. Yeah. A picture of Fauci.

Well, the problem with that prepardon is he's prepardoned federally, but he's not pardoned statewide. These states can still sue them. Not only that, when you're pardoned, then you can no longer plea the fifth, so you could be held for perjury. So there's a lot of issues with being pardoned. I don't think Biden took into consideration or Fauci took into consideration either. I think he just wanted anything to protect him because he knew it was coming. He knew that they had... I mean, just the emails that were available that showed collusion, where he had gotten a hold of all these different researchers and changed their perspective on whether or not it was a lab leak. Because through ECHO Health Alliance, they had funded Gain of Function research after Obama had- Gain of function?

That's what I was trying to think. Oh, that's what you were looking for.

Okay, yeah, go But gain a function is essentially taking a virus and making it more infectious to human beings.

Weaponizing the virus.

Yeah. The idea is supposedly to study it. But if you're studying it and you don't have a fucking cure, you've been studying this shit for so long and you don't have a cure, what are you actually doing? Well, you're doing weapons research. This is one of the things that Bobby's talked about with Lyme disease, where they tried to get them on Lyme disease, which is a very funny grilling. They say, did you say that Lyme disease was a leaked bioweapon. He goes, I probably did.

And he did.

Plum Island. They were fucking researching whether or not they could infect bugs, flees, and ticks, and then dump them on populations to overwork Well, in their medical system and they use it as a bioweapon so we could invade easier. Yeah, they did that.

We're the masters of war. Yeah. But yeah, that's a funny way. Good impersonation, by the way. It's not hard, unfortunately.

I'm not good for Bobby. I mean, really, science wanted to fix his fucking voice, man. If that guy had his old voice, he'd be a lot more powerful. It's like people dismiss him because his voice is hard. It's hard to listen to sometimes.

Yeah, that condition he has, you would think there'd be There's some way to address it, but I don't know.

Well, he believes that condition came from the flu vaccine. It's a side effect of flu vaccines. He used to take a flu vaccine every year. And so he developed this voice problem, and he believes it's a vaccine injury, which is very ironic.

Wow. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah.

Yeah. Those fucking things don't work either. He's talked about that. Even if it protects you from that one flu, it makes you many more times more likely to catch other things. They were fucking around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs that have been... The way they've studied them is filled with shenanigans. They might do 10 studies, and one of them shows effectiveness because they've rigged the study in a certain way. And then they... He explained to me that the reason why they could say it's 100 % effective was because one person got it in the vaccine trial and two people got it in the placebo. Exactly, yeah. So that's 100 %.

100 %.

One is 100 % better than two. Like, what? That's crazy. No, that's not... 100 % means nobody gets infected, you fucking assholes. That should be a law. That should be a crime to explain things like that. I had this guy on who was... He litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies, particularly against Viox, when they released this anti-inflammatory medication, Viox, and some 50 to 60,000 people died from it. A friend of mine got a stroke from Viox. This guy was saying that when you hear peer-reviewed studies, when they do a vaccine study or a pharmaceutical drug study, they don't even give the peer reviewers the raw data. They give the peer reviewers the data as it's been interpreted by the scientists who work for the pharmaceutical drug companies. So they review it and then they give their version of it to these other scientists who are already on the payroll. They're all NIH Everybody's funded. Everybody's together. Everybody's all in the loop. Everybody's dependent upon whether or not they're going to receive grants and funding. It's all based on Fauci. That's how you find out whether or not something is good or bad. It's all rigged. When he was explaining, I'm like, That can't be real.

He's explaining to us, showing us how it works. It's corrupt. It's fully, completely, totally corrupt. If anything Bobby can do, it's make sure that we have valid studies, valid, real, peer-reviewed studies on everything, on everything that people are supposed to be taking. Let's find out what the fuck is really good for you because it's not like all pharmaceutical drugs are bad. A lot of pharmaceutical drugs help people, save people's lives, enhance people's lives, cure diseases. There's a lot of stuff that's great. Let's find out what it is. What's real and what's bad, and why are you profiting off of shit that's killing people? That shouldn't be so hard, would he?

I'd vote for you I did. Oh, I don't want to run for nothing. No, I know. It'd be a step down. Why would you... No, no, no. Just headache in your life. But I'm just saying I would vote for you.

Thanks. That's terrifying.

Yeah, Yeah. You want to have those days where you just have a lion, you know what I mean? Not getting up till maybe noon. You can't have that if you were President. No. You don't get one day like that.

No, unless you're Biden. I think he slept a lot. He wasn't really the President.

Maybe.

Yeah, that's what's really wild. I don't know, man. Like I said, I'm encouraged. And I also think things are going to get really weird with AI. I think with AI, AI, and especially when AI gets attached to quantum computing, we're going to have an undeniable access to truth that's going to be very disconcerting to a lot of people. We're going to have an understanding of the reality of the world that we live in that's going to be very undeniable. It's going to be strange. Unfortunately, there's going to be a lot of propaganda that's with that, too, because a lot of AI is programmed by people. So there'll be a battle model of which AI is the most trusted and effective. Then the real fear is that AI governs us, which is probably going to happen. We're probably going to be more effective.

It I think the government so far has really been subpar. I don't look at individual presidents because I just look at, overall, the presidents have to bow down and kiss the ring no matter who it is. You're not getting in there. So the last guy who didn't was probably John Kennedy. But certainly, even a guy like Carter, who I love, I consider the best. Everybody has to kiss the ring. He didn't kiss it enough.

That's why they got rid of him.

What he did, he levied a windfall profits tax on the oil companies because they were gouging. They were making so much profit, right? Which happens He's all the time, whether it be the oil companies or the vaccine companies, whatever. These insane profits that are just, they create some fear and then boom. They make a lot of money. But he was bold enough to lay this tax on them for their profit, and that's what killed him. There was no way he was getting another term after that.

Yeah.

It'd be interesting. And then it was after that that Oliver North was vital in helping to kill that rescue attempt with the helicopter. And also the Contras versus the San Denees, the selling crack in Los Angeles in order to fund all that shit.

All that stuff was going on at the same time.

Absolutely. I totally believe that.

Oh, it's a fact. I had a Freeway Ricky Ross, the guy who went to jail for it on the podcast a few times.

Was he the guy, the plane? He had the planes and he was flying in?

No, that Gary Webb. That was Gary Webb. The guy was flying in to me in Arkansas. Gary Webb, right. Yeah. No, Barry Seals. Gary Webb was the reporter who committed suicide. Didn't he shoot himself in the head twice? Yeah, that's right.

Barry Seals. Thank you, Jimmy. You think the first one would have slowed down the second bullet a little bit.

Yeah, a little bit. He was one of the main whistleblowers about that. It's a sordid, horrible history. But Freeway Ricky Ross, unbeknownst to him, was selling cocaine, funding this war, and he didn't even know what was going on until he went to jail. He couldn't read. Went to jail, became literate, and then became a lawyer in jail and then figured out that they tried him on the three strikes rule incorrectly, got out of jail. Now he runs weed dispensaries in California. Really? He's a great guy.

Where does he live? In LA?

He lives in LA. Yeah.

He's a great guy. You got to connect me to him. I want to meet him.

You know Rick Ross, the rapper? He stole his name from Freeway Rick Ross. Rick Ross was a famous street gangster, this famous street coke dealer who was making millions of dollars a week and couldn't read. He was a tennis player, a really good tennis player, who then used the discipline of being a tennis player to become a very disciplined drug dealer.

Like Pfizer, disciplined drug dealer.

Yeah, and now he's out. And wonderful guy to talk to. It's a fun guy. Like, very happy, peaceful guy. And I mean, what a story. Learn how to read in jail and then realized that they fucked him and then tried his own case and got out.

Wow. That's impressive.

Yeah. Amazing.

My daughter is a lawyer. She's a public defender in Manhattan. She loves it.

Oh, wow. That's cool.

And so she's helping a lot of people who are at a a pivotal point in their lives where it could just be... And they can't get her unless they have no money. You know what I mean? So they're already in dire straits. She loves helping people. That's beautiful. She's an incredible kid. I'm so proud of her.

That's amazing. That's a beautiful way to live your life.

And I'm like, you're going to be a lawyer? And then it's like, oh, a lawyer that makes no money. Bravo.

Isn't that crazy? We all think like, lawyers are all evil. No, there's great lawyers. My good friend Josh Dubin, he used to work for the Innocent Project. Now he works with Ike Perlmutter. And we had a bunch of podcasts where we've highlighted innocent people who were incarcerated. And just through this podcast, we've got a bunch of people released.

Dude, that's doing something great.

Yeah. I mean, he's amazing. He's completely dedicated his life to wrongly incarcerated people.

What's his name?

Josh Dubin. Where does he live? Florida. He was a New York guy. He moved to Florida fairly recently. Wow. Yeah. Great guy. Loving to death and does nothing but great work. Just helping people. Just constantly concentrating all these different cases where it's like corrupt DAs, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt judges. It's like, you Now it's all over the place. Like, one of the guys that Biden pardoned was one of the people that was involved in that Kids for Cash, where they were putting kids in detention centers just for profit.

Oh.

Yeah. You know that story, right?

I'm not. No, I don't know.

There was a judge. Was it Pennsylvania? Yeah. There was a judge in Pennsylvania that was making millions of dollars through putting kids in detention centers and ruining kids lives, causing suicides, deaths, downward spiral of their life, wrongfully detaining them and doing it for profit.

But how is he getting a kickback?

He's getting kickbacks. Getting kickbacks from private prisons.

Oh, from private prisons?

Yeah, from private prisons, from prosecutors. I mean, I don't know exactly who was funding it, but he was convicted. And he's one of the guys Biden pardoned. Really?

It's sick.

Biden pardoned 8,000 people. Did he? Yeah. He pardoned more people than anybody, which generally I'm a fan of pardoning people. I think most people are incarcerated for far too long. I don't think it rehabilitates people. I think it probably makes them more hardened criminals than most of the cases. There's a few cases where people decide to take a better path in jail and educate themselves and learn and come out a better person. And I've met a lot of those people. Unfortunately, I've met a lot of those people from Josh Dubin that were wrongly incarcerated and then came out these amazing incredibly intelligent, really well-read, interesting people because they dedicated themselves to doing that while they were in jail because they realized, I did not commit this crime. I'm forced into this situation. What can I do to make better of my life while I'm here? Well, I'm going to educate myself and I'm going to come out a better person.

That's great. By the way, I wouldn't mind a pre-pardon. You do whatever you want. You do the speeding, whatever. I got a pre-pardon, dude.

There's a lot of people that got pre-pardons. They were like, how did Adam Schiff get a pre-pardon? Why is Liz Cheney got a pre-pardon? What did you do? What did you do that you need a pardon?

That's never happened before. There's never been a pre-pardon. No. How can you pardon someone if they haven't been convicted of something?

Well, there's a lot of debate on the constitutionality of it, too. Whether or not that's even what the pardons were intended for. And that was the thing during the 2020, when Trump was leaving the office. There was talk about what if he pre-pardons his family? That would be outrageous. And all the Democrats That's where I'm against it. And then, of course, when Biden did it, everybody just shut up. He pre-pardoned his son from 2000 what? 2014 or something? '11? What a good guy.

Yeah, that was necessary.

Yeah.

That was a pre-pardon? He was never charged. It seemed like a post-pardon at that point.

He was about to be charged, and he was never charged. What was Gerald Ford going to be charged? No, no. Nixon. Nixon. Watergate. Watergate. Yeah. That's another one. The Watergate one's a weird one, too, because the lead guy was an intelligence agent who was all of a sudden a reporter. George W. Bush gave some to the Iran Contra Affair people. What a good guy. Casper Weinberger. There you go. Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln did. During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln preempted Bartons, part of the broader strategy to maintain national unity. Okay. Extended to Confederate sympathizers and soldiers. Okay. As an incentive to lay down arms and support the Union.

Jimmy Carter for the Vietnam Draft. Yes.

Well, That was a good one. There's a few, but not the same reasons. I remember I was a kid. I was living in San Francisco when the Vietnam War ended. My parents were hippies. We were living in like, Haight Asht, down near Lombard Street, in the middle of Like hippie San Francisco. And I remember thinking as a little kid thinking, wow, finally the war is over. I don't have to think about war anymore. I'm like, people are going to learn from this.

I really believe that. You are because you're a hopeful person.

Also So I was 10 or whatever I was.

Most 10-year-olds, I guess, are pretty hopeful.

Yeah. Well, you're terrified because I thought of the idea of being drafted. In eight years from now, can I be drafted and have to go and fight for some fucking insane war that makes no sense? And if you don't, they put you in a cage. That was the reality of life in the 1960s when they had conscription. That's scary shit, man. Being forced to give up your life to go fight in some fucking insane war that makes sense. It's probably about heroine. Probably had a lot to do with heroine trade.

Well, yeah, they say that that bombing in Laos was a lot of that on the Ho-Chim-Mint trail. A lot of that had to do with that avenue for heroin there on that Ho-Chim-Mint trail.

Well, how about Afghanistan?

Yeah, Afghanistan. That can't be a coincidence. Poppies there and poppies there.

Not only that, we were guarding poppy fields. Because these farmers need to grow poppies. It's like, this is how they make a living. We got to help them. We got to fight the Taliban. Then it's 90 plus % of the world's opium that's coming from this area? Like, what?

90 %? Oh, yeah.

I think it's 94. I think it was 94 % of the world's heroin was coming from Afghanistan while we were occupying Afghanistan.

Really? Oh, yeah. Where's it coming from?

Probably Afghanistan, still.

Now it's safe.

I mean, the Taliban were the people that were against it, which is wild. 2021, Afghanistan produced more than 90 % of the world's illicit heroin. However, Myanmar has since surpassed Afghanistan. Wow. Didn't Myanmar just have a giant coup? Didn't they have a military takeover of Myanmar? I think they did. I'm pretty sure because... Yeah.

Burma. Maybe it's follow the drugs instead of follow the money. Same thing, maybe.

Yeah. Myanmar coup, just write coup. Yeah, four years after the coup. Atrocity crimes. Four years after the coup, chaos rains as Myanmar's military struggles. Yeah. They're probably taking control. I mean, if you've got a place where now they've taken over the heroin production of the world, then all of a sudden you have a military coup. Shocking.

Right. Crazy. It does seem to follow along these routes.

Yeah. It's too many things to concentrate on. That's the problem. And we're all getting inundated every day with terrible news from all over the world. And on one side, it makes people more accountable because now you know all the terrible things that are going on all over the world. But another thing, it's unmanageable. If you're one human being living in Austin, your phone is blowing up all day with atrocities that are happening all over the world. You're like, what can I do? What is life? Everything's terrible. Meanwhile, you go to the coffee shop, everybody's nice. You go to the restaurant, say hi. It's like my world seems pretty fucking normal. But when you're inundated constantly, so you're in this constant state of anxiety and weirdness Listen.

I know it's not a good thing, but I think that's why I stay away from the media. I don't read newspapers. I just try to stay away because it's that toxifying element. It can really And granted, it keeps me ignorant. But they do say ignorance is bliss, and I feel pretty blessed. Well, as long as somebody's paying attention, I guess it's okay. Well, I mean, about some of these items we've been discussing, I've actually studied this. But there's other things that I just can't get hit every day with like 90 things that are so depressing I'm not messing.

Do you go on social media at all?

No. I have... What's the... X? No. Instagram? Instagram. But because No, they make you like, you have to give us all your information and access to your picture. So I can't personally get on the Instagram. But if I have a picture, I have to get someone else to post the picture.

Yeah, that's probably healthier. Yeah. That's probably healthier.

Yeah.

Yeah. That being on it all the time. Because I know a lot of people that are on it all the time, and it makes them sick. It's like radiation poisoning.

Yeah. I'm pretty much never on it. That's good. But I should post I post once every six months or something. But no, I don't know. I'd rather have an alt to Instagram. So how do you find out about- What do you think of a good alt?

An alt? I don't know. The problem is, well, X is what I use the most as far as getting information. But every now and then I'll go on and watch people argue and see these toxic fights back and forth, and that puts me in a shitty mood. I'm like, God damn, why How do people fucking treat each other like this? It's such a stupid way to communicate.

Yeah, that is. It's so disheartening.

And it's also it amplifies the worst aspects of our society, which is like, shitty division. It's like, shitty division is what gets a lot of clicks. Partisan thoughts and attacking people, tribal thinking, that's what gets the most clicks, and that's what you see the most. But there's enough of exposing of actual legitimate corruption and information about what's actually going on in the world that I get out of there that it balances it out for me to the point where I'm willing to engage in it to a certain extent. But I don't do it at night, and I don't do it when I think it's going to fuck me up before I go to bed. I don't do it if there's anything I really have to concentrate on because I don't want some new pathway to open up my mind where now I'm concerned about this.

But all of that adversity you faced, do you feel like it actually increased your popularity?

Yeah, definitely did. During the COVID stuff, when they were trying to get me removed from Spotify, in that one month, I gained two million subscribers. Oh, really? And the height of the attacks on me, the show got way bigger.

So how many people listened to that Robert Malone show, would you say?

That's a good question. Between Spotify, YouTube, and all the clips, fucking who knows? Hundreds of millions, probably.

Oh, Great.

Yeah. A good show that gets spread around, like how many different eyeballs will see it. I mean, it really depends on how profound the person's revelations are, like what they're talking about. Like the biggest one we ever did, Some of the Elon. Well, I think the biggest one we probably ever did was Bob Lazard. Is that number one? So the Bob Lazard one. Do you know what Bob Lazard is? Bob Lazard is the guy that in 1989, he did an interview with George Knapp in Las Vegas, and he said he was working back engineering UFOs for the government. And he has this crazy fucking story about working at Area S4, Site 4, an Area 51 in the Nevada Desert. Was at that point in time, the government would deny that Area 51 even existed. And he's like, no, I work out there. And I was working back engineering propulsion systems from crashed UFOs. And he was explaining how these things work and explaining explaining how it's in some a gravity propulsion device that works completely different than any propulsion device that we've ever devised, and that they're trying to back engineer them. They don't know how to do it, so they keep bringing in new propulsion experts.

So he was a guy that had previously worked at Los Alamos Labs, and then he gets a job. And they're essentially throwing as much shit against the wall as possible, trying to see what sticks. Like, Can you figure this out? And they're bringing in new people. And he was brought in, apparently, after an accident, where to try to cut into the reactor and it exploded and people died. And so they said, okay, well, that's not going to work. Let's try another method, bring in some other people. And he was one of the people they brought in. And when you have top secret clearance, what happens is they tap all your phones. They listen to you all the time. Well, he had this job where he couldn't tell his wife what he was doing. So he would get this phone call saying that he has to fly out to Area 51 at 11: 00 PM. So he would go to the airport, fly out. And his wife was like, this motherfucker's cheating on me. So she starts fucking her flight instructor. She's got some flight instructor. And so because his wife was having an affair and they knew it from the phone calls, they thought that he was going to be emotionally unstable.

So they removed him from the project. So he gets removed from the project and he says, well, I'm telling my friends. So he goes to tell his friends, this is what I was doing. I was working on these fucking UFOs. They have actual UFO. That's the one, that thing on the desk right there. That's the recreation of what he called the sport model that they worked on that has this this flying saucer that's behind the antlers.

That's like the three. The classic. It's like the Tesla 3. You know what I mean? Right. If you were to... Yeah, the classic. The peppy little...

The sport model. Got it. So he brings people out to watch. He said, on Wednesday, they have these flights and they test these things. I'll take you guys out to the desert. He took them out to the desert. He takes them a couple of times. Then he gets arrested. So he gets arrested and he says, They're going to fucking kill me. I have to go public. So he goes public and tells the whole story. And so he does these series of interviews with George Knapp, who's an investigative reporter in Las Vegas, and they become legendary. He's told the same story for now, going on 40 years. And It's an insane story.

But he's still alive.

He's still alive. Yeah, he did my podcast. So he did the podcast. I don't know what to think. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not. It's hard to know. But he's told the same goddamn story for all these years, and he's obviously a brilliant guy. When you talk to him, he's obviously very literate in science, really understands what he's saying. And many of the things that he said from that particular interview have been corroborated by other people, including his knowledge of Los Alamos Labs. They tried to say he never worked there, but they found him on the employee roster. And he knows the building. He took people into the building. He took George Napp in there. He knew the security guards. He knew where to go, showing everybody around the place. And that's our biggest podcast ever because it's so fucking There's an incredible, Jeremy Corbell did an incredible documentary called Bob Lazzar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers, and it's all about his experiences there. It's one of those things where you just, you don't know But it's, God, it's so weird. It's like if this guy's telling the same goddamn story, and then they have all these videos of these things, the Go Fast video and the Fleer video that the government's released, that were covered in the New York Times.

And these crafts are exhibiting the same behavior that he was explaining in 1989, particularly in they fly like this. But then when they want to go fast, they rotate sideways and point whatever this gravity, propulsion, whatever this thing is, this generator, and they shoot this way and take off. And there's videos of these things doing this. Wow. Forty years later.

Unbelievable.

Yeah. So that's the biggest video.

I got it. Yeah.

So that I'm going to listen to that. Youtube got 60 million views, and then on all the other platforms, who knows how many, and all the clips, it's probably hundreds of millions. Yeah.

Bizarre.

But That's one of those things where you don't want to think too much about it because it might be bullshit. That's how I feel about the whole UFO thing.

What would be his point? What's his motivation? It's a good question. I don't see how it benefits him other than he's got now people calling him a Wacko, which he didn't have before. So what's the good of it? You always got to look at possible motivation.

Well, there's a lot of people that want to pretend to be special, so they make up stories so they make them special. They make up encounters. They make up abductions. I've been abducted by aliens. I'm a special person. They took me aboard. I have a message for humanity. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of delusions.

That's a different thing. I Being a guy like that, I don't see his... If that's what he actually did for a living, then I don't see why he benefits.

Why he would do that? Well, one of the more interesting stories is this guy. This is Travis Walton. This guy's got a little bobble Travis Walton was a guy, I don't know if you ever saw that movie Fire in the Sky? It was based on a bunch of loggers in Arizona, and they saw this thing land. And this guy Travis Walton gets out of the truck and goes to it, gets blasted by this bolt of energy, collapses to the ground. His buddies take off. They're screaming in the car, all these loggers. We got to go back and get them. We got to go back and get them. They turn around a mile later, go back. He's gone. He's gone for five days. And then he shows up back in the town five days later with this fucking wild story of being abducted, taken aboard this craft, they healed his body, and then they communicated with him and then returned him. And the thing about it is all these experiences, these people talk about the exact same creatures. They talk about the exact same entities, these things with big heads and large eyes and spendly bodies, and they're communicating telepathically.

It's universal. It's like over and over again. It's a very similar story. And the problem is if it happened to you, who the fuck is going to believe you? It's a unique experience, a completely novel experience that only you have. And then you have to go and try to make sense of it to other people that haven't experienced it, and they're going to think you're fucking crazy. But if you have enough of these people that say the same story over and over and over again, which is if you read John Mac, he was a psychologist from Harvard that did a lot of hypnotic regression work with people that have had alien abductions.

And this guy I read that.

It's a crazy book, right?

I met him. I met John.

Did you really? Yeah. When did you meet him?

I met him on the campus at Harvard.

Oh, wow.

You know I went to Harvard, right? Yeah. I mean, I had a great night and then went back home. No, I only visited there a couple of times.

Well, I know you play really good chess.

I did play chess.

Magnus Carlson told me. I had Magnus Carlson in a couple of days ago. He told me that you did one of his opening moves, that you did it for him. And he was like, what the fuck is he doing? He couldn't even figure out why you did them. But he realized afterwards, oh, you're a really good chess player. That was actually a legitimate move. You did his opening, right?

Well, Yeah. I did one time, I did an opening for the other guy. What's his name? Anyway, and I'm going to do this opening. And at the same time, I want to tip over with my pinkie, tip over the king. Just as a joke, because you tip over the king, the game's over, right? So I did that. And there was a chuckle and everything and picked it up. And then he's looking quite concerned Oh, yeah, this was it. I didn't hear the lady. I knocked it down and then I pushed it. Yeah, they slow it down, you can see it. But then I pushed the pond, right? And then I realized because I thought he said D4, right? He didn't say D4. He said E4. So I'm looking at his face and he had whispered it to me into my bad ear. I'm like, well, why do you got to whisper? I'm going to make the move anyway.

Well, Magnus said you stuck around and you played a lot of people and you said you were really good.

Oh, that's very nice.

Coming from him. Magnus Carlson. Yeah.

He's the Mozart, man. Yeah.

Fascinating guy. He was here a couple of days ago. Was he? Yeah.

Yeah. I do admire him. He's great. And that whole thing that just happened with the jeans, like That was great. Did you see it? He went to one of the big, I forget which tournament was, but anyway, came in jeans, and they're very strict, right? And so they wouldn't allow him to play. And then he basically was going to end up sacrificing the day because he came in jeans, right? He said, I just wasn't thinking about it. Well, so then he just said, you'll have to come back tomorrow. You're a sacrifice for today. He's like, you know what? I won't be back tomorrow. And then boom, they changed the rules. Oh, wow. They changed it.

Yeah, that's a stupid rule. Who gives a shit if you're wearing jeans?

I know. That shouldn't make you a better They're a worse player. Yeah, it's stupid.

Everybody should be able to have to play in their underwear. That way, you know they don't have any devices on them.

They could have it in them, too. They could, yeah. So maybe you got to do a rectal probing before. This is full circle with the talking about the aliens, but maybe you have to do something before.

Well, we got into very specific ways that people cheat. It was pretty interesting. He was talking to us about different ways that people have been busted, cheating, different people signaling them in the room, moving to different parts of the room if they wanted the piece to move in a different area.

I see. Yeah. Yeah. Because see, that one guy he said was cheating. He said he knew as soon as the move was made, and then he walked out. That was another time. Yeah. He just like, there's no way this guy made this move. No chance.

That was what was fascinating, that you could tell by the way a guy's playing that something was a miss, that this is not inside of his capability. He knew the way the guy played so well that you could tell that something was off, which is so crazy, which is I'm not literate in chess, so I don't understand how you could do that, but I believe him, especially when you talk to him.

Well, he's got a thumper in his sock or something. Somebody's given him a He's looking on a computer and then...

He thinks it's an internal, like a very small invisible ear piece.

Is that what he thought? Yeah.

That's what he thinks. He thinks it's one of the possible methods. And then there was the anal beads. People were talking about anal beads. The anal beads.

It's a guy don't want to thump her in his sock. He just wants to go pure inside, man.

Yeah, I guess it would vibrate. I guess you would do it vibrate a certain amount of times first to indicate the letter and then a couple times to indicate the number. That's where the piece would go.

A little more cold in the record cavity.

Yeah. How long have you been playing chess?

I started playing more probably like 10 years ago or maybe more than that. I started playing Willy. Oh, wow. Started playing Willy all the time. But then we'd switch over back to Domino's. He crushes me in Domino's, and then I was mostly winning chess. And then toward the end of our battles, he started switching to just, you know what? We'll just stay with the domino. Such a hustler.

Such a hustler. Yeah. I tried to interview him, but he's scared of COVID.

Yeah.

He's an old guy.

I get it. Yeah, he's 92.

Can't take a chance getting infected. A lot of old people, I got it. I got the fear fear because it's like death is close to them. It's just they're too vulnerable. I get it. I get why they got roped into it.

Well, yeah, the fear of germs.

That was the Neil Young thing, too. That's why I gave Neil Young a pass. I was like, I get it.

A lot of people you still see wearing masks.

Oh, all the time, even in Austin. I see him driving their fucking car still with masks on.

Yeah, alone in the car with the mask. Yeah, they're just sick. That always confuses me. But So fear is a fairly relentless occupation for some. And I don't know. I studied the germ theory You know how it came to be the backbone of Western medicine? Do you know? The Rockefeller thing? Well, yeah, that came after this. But yeah, the Rockefeller pushed that whole narrative. But it It was before that in the 1887 or something, '89, where Louis Pasteur stood before the French Academy me a science and said, I've realized the origin of all disease, and it's the germ theory. And he took credit for the germ theory, which, of course, had been around for centuries at that point. But there was another guy named Antoine Bechamp, who was actually a real genius, whereas Pasteur was a charlatan and basically stole all these good ideas that he never had from Antoine Bechamp, including how fermentation works, how they had diseases in the grapes at the time. So how to deal with that disease and also having to do with where they make the silk, like silkworms and stuff. That also was another thing that Bechamp figured out.

And then, Pasteur, who was on the same committee, ends up reading these papers and basically putting his own spin on it and getting credit for the fermentation, the silkworm, the wine thing. Each thing, he becomes more and more famous. And until he's able to sit down in front of Napoleon in an 1863, Napoleon III, he said, I will eliminate all disease. I will eradicate all human disease. He was an arrogant guy, and he was a complete fraud. Isn't that a bummer? And Pasteur believed the germ theory, obviously. That's the theory that he pushed, right? And then Schamp believed in the terrain theory. Now, that's what I believe. The terrain theory, the germ theory, obviously, a pathogen, a germ, a virus, whatever, it lands in your cornflake or on your eyeball or whatever. It gets inside. And then in this blank, pristine blank slate environment, it causes damage, maybe sickness and eventually death. To me, I don't believe I believe this theory as much as I do the terrain theory, which is that your health is dependent upon your internal biological terrain and your internal filthiness or cleanliness. And so that's what I believe is where people's immune system gets messed up from what they're consuming.

And in a nutshell, that's why I believe in Bayes' Shamp's theory as opposed to the germ theory. And at least it's got to be both. At the very least, it's got to be both.

I would imagine it's both. I mean, we know for a fact that one of the main factors in eliminating diseases in North America was when they started having hygiene and when they started having flowing water and sewage systems and that just having cleanliness. I mean, most cities at the turn of the century were filled with filth. During the smallpox epidemic, people lived terrible. They lived in filth when you had the various... There's a bunch of different diseases that can be attributed to poor hygiene. Poor hygiene, no access to antibiotics, no access to any medicine. We all attribute that just to a disease broke out. But why did the disease break out? Well, the people who are living in filth. There was no running water. They didn't have any sewage systems. They didn't have any antibiotics, including... When people talk about the Spanish flu, like the Spanish flu broke out today, we'd be fucked. No, we wouldn't. First of all, we have antibiotics now. Spanish flu would be killed quickly. The real factor was all these diseases that people were getting because of the infection that could be cured by antibiotics.

But also- Not a big antibiotic. I'm not a big antibiotics guy.

At all?

No. I mean, I took them. I took them one time. I credit them with really having saved me.

Oh, they'll save you under certain conditions.

Right. If your immune system shot and there's nothing else you can do to bolster your immune system in a short amount of time, where whatever is happening is happening quickly.

But you're saying ubiquitous use of antibiotics for everything? Yeah.

Where it's just like a PEZ dispenser. And it does affect your immune system adversely, especially continuous use of antibiotics.

It's also why we have MRSA.

What?

Mrsa. Mrsa is medication resistant staff infections. Right. I've had a bunch of friends who get that because that's one of the side effect. One of the unfortunate aspects of jiu-jitsu is a lot of guys get staff infections. If you're not clean, you're not taking care. Because of what? Getting scratched and scraped up, and you're on the ground, dirty mats, people come in dirty, and you can get an infection. I've had staff twice. You get staff, ring worm, a bunch of different things that people normally get on the mat. But there's ways to combat that in a healthy, organic way. And one of the best ways is the use of... There's a bunch of different oils, tea tree oil, and eucalyptus oil, a bunch of oils that don't affect your skin biome in a negative way. But what they do is they protect you from bad diseases. There's a company called Defense Soap, and I always recommend it. I don't have any affiliation with them. My friend Guy Sacco runs the company, but he developed it because a bunch of wrestlers and grapplers were getting skin infections. And so he developed natural remedies that don't affect your...

Because a lot of times guys would take like antibiotic soap and they would clean themselves with antibiotic soap. The problem with that is it kills all your healthy flora, all the skin flora that's healthy. That gets torched, too. It's taking a blow torch to a small patch of weed so you could just pluck out. And instead of doing that, he developed this soap that uses all these natural organic remedies that doesn't affect you in a negative way at all. It's the only soap I use. I use that soap every day, and it keeps your skin healthy, and it doesn't fuck it up. So there's ways around it. The real way is to prevent it, though, because once you actually get staff, especially if it's aggressive, you got to take antibiotics or you're fucked.

Well.

It gets systemic.

Yeah.

My friend's wife- Oh, sorry. Go ahead. My friend, his friend's wife, rather, died of it. She was trying to do it organically. She was trying to use herbal remedies, and she wound up dying of staff infection because it gets systemic. It gets into your blood and goes into your whole body, and then you're fucked. But you really have to get on a heavy, hard core IV antibiotics for long stretches at times. I've had friends that have huge scars on their body because they got a massive MRSA infection in their knees, and then they had to get it all opened up. They have to clean it out, and they have to get them on IV antibiotics. It's a It's a nightmare. It's one of the main reasons why people die after surgeries. It happens after surgeries where people get MRSA infections. Well, Jesus. Super bugs. Let's just stay healthy. Yes. Stay healthy You're really messy, Woody. Yeah. Do you eat only vegetables? Is that what you're talking about, like meat? Are you a vegan?

I'm a vegan.

Yeah?

Yeah. But I really My real belief is in raw living food because I feel like we talk a lot about you getting your protein or you getting your carbs or whatever. I think the The most important component of the food are the enzymes. The enzymes being the life force of the food and the enzymatic activities, your eyes blinking, your heart beating, those are enzymatic activities. If it wasn't for enzymes, we couldn't do them. Enzyms are highly important. Anything you cook over 118 degrees for a minute, you destroy the enzymes and most of the nutritional value of the food. And that's why I'm a believer in raw living food. And I I just know from when I... I've had lots of experiments for when I was doing it, when I was eating a lot of cooked food. You can really feel the difference. There's no question about it supporting the energy of the body better than anything. But meanwhile, I agree that it's very hard to avoid eating cooked food because it's delicious. But to have as much raw as possible, that's my And I try to get a lot of sprouts and microgreens and everything.

And then I also eat, you know, cooked food.

Do you take algae or anything Are you getting B vitamins? Do you think?

Yeah, I take... I do take... I take niacin. I take... I should take more of a comprehensive B vitamin, probably. But I do take I take Reishi, and I take ginseng every day.

So healthy mushrooms?

Yeah, I believe in the healthy mushrooms.

I take all that stuff, too.

Yeah, there's a cool... I got to get on the regular medicinal mushrooms. Those are crucial, and especially brain repair, which is, I think, something I need.

I think we all do.

To fix those pathways that have been compromised.

Do you ever fuck around with neutropics? Do you take any neutropics? What? Neutropics are essentially nutrients that contribute to cognitive function, building blocks for human neurotransmitters, acetylcholine, theanine, things along those lines.

No, I don't do that. But I'm open-minded. I imagine Downey would know all about that stuff.

Yeah, I bet he would. Yeah. Yeah.

He's really, really not I'm knowledgeable about that. But you've studied this shit, too.

Yeah. The thing about it is you could almost take stuff all day long because there's so many different things that could benefit you. You'd have to have a fucking stack of shit in front of you all day long, which gets tiresome.

Yeah. I think the best thing for restoring health, if you're sick and you want to get is fasting. Fasting is fantastic. They've been doing it for thousands of years, and it just works. It does. Because the congestion in the body is really what disease is. It's congestion. It's inflammation. But yeah, inflammation inflammation. You could call it that, too. But that congestion begins in the colon. And so you don't clean that out.

Issues. Yeah. Do you eat organic vegetables only? Yeah. That's huge because I think, what is it? Like 90 something % of people tested have glyphosate in their system. I was reading some study on fucking on Girl Scout cookies. How How many? Like they've done studies on Girl Scout cookies, where they break them down and find out what's in them. Holy shit. They're fucking toxic as fuck. I'll send it to you, Jamie. I send it to my wife because she's trying to avoid Girl Scout cookies.

I see the smiling face of the Girl Scout? You can imagine she's going to give you something back.

Yeah, those little hustlers, they catch you at the grocery store. I'll find this for you, Jamie. There was this thing about Oh, here it is. Different seed oils, all the different things in them. This video? Yeah, it's probably one of them. What does it say here? Thin Mints being the worst offenders. Five flavors of Girl Scout cookies contained. Scroll back up, back up. Contained levels of glyphosate and heavy metals above EPA water safety limits. New investigation found 100% of tested Girl Scout cookies contained glyphosate, 100% controversial herbicide and ground up. 88% contained toxic metals like arsenic lead and mercury. Key finding, thin mints had the highest glyphosate levels, levels at 111. 07 PPB, 338 34 times what experts say is harmful. Peanut butter patties had the highest heavy metal contamination with lead reaching 42. 5 PPB and aluminum at 27,500 PPB, PPM. 76% of cookies tested exceeded cadmium safety limits and 96 contained lead.

That's wild.

Girl Scout USA, which sells 200 million boxes per year, $800 million in revenue, did not respond to researchers before publication. I wonder why. They didn't respond.

I wonder why.

I wonder why they wouldn't chime in.

Are they crazy? See, there you go. And by the way, you could replicate this same thing in so much of the American diet.

What does Girls Cal cookies have to say? Girls Cal cookies are made with ingredients that adhere to food safety standards set by the FDA and other relevant authorities. Oh, really? Our trusted bakers remain committed to compliance with all food safety standards. Maybe we need to change the fucking food safety standards. Just because you're complying with bullshit standards.

That's what I'm hoping is going to happen going forward.

I'm hoping, too. I think I don't know how much Bobby can affect things and what he actually can do, but I know what he's trying to do. And one of the main things he's trying to do is this whole idea of this Maha movement, make America healthy again. And that's possible. This is something we could do.

Be so nice, dude. And not a lot of... It could be It's relatively simple. Just modification. It doesn't have to be a revolution in one's diet. But first thing I do is cut out Girl Scout cookies. That's my first It's crazy that 100 % of them have glyphosate. Fucking A, man. With the glyphosate, it's just absolutely crazy. We know how toxic and terrible it is, and we're still using it constantly.

And other countries aren't.

In corporate or industrial farming. It's just wrong. I know you're into regenerative farming. I think that's great. But you see, over the long haul, the regenerative farmer gains. He gains financially, and he gains in terms of the soil not just turning to shit. Well, you want some shit in your soil.

Okay, well, let's not get sidetracked.

But, yeah, it's a net gain in the in. So hopefully- It's carbon neutral.

Everyone's trying to reduce carbon. Organic farms are carbon neutral because that's how nature intended animals to live. That's how nature intended us to grow crops. It's all supposed to be animals graze, manure, all this different stuff. It helps. It helps everything.

You got to think of the soil biome just as much as you have to think of your own biome.

Yeah, and it all works together. And thank God there's people out there like Joel Salatin, who runs Polyface Farms, and Will Harris, who runs White Oak Pastors, who have educated these people and gone on written books and gone on these tours and explained to be like, Will Harris, who's been on the podcast a couple of times, he spent 20 years changing his family farm, which was an industrial farm, into regenerative agriculture. You could see the difference in the soil. We have two bottles of so, two glass bottles of soil out there, one from an industrial farm and one from his farm. And his farm is dark and rich and filled with nutrients. And the other one is just pale and dead and just covered in bullshit fucking chemicals.

And meanwhile, that's the stuff that gets highly subsidized.

Yes.

So, yeah, it's a catch-22. If the real value, if the real expense of what happens to that soil were experienced by the American taxpayer, I think there'd be a revolt. Well, we're a lazy people. I'm a lazy bachelor.

Well, the real problem is we have so many people that need food and that we're reliant upon factory farming right now to a large extent because there's enormous populations of people that live in a place where they grow nothing. Whether it's New York City or it's Los Angeles, it's urban environments. They need food constantly shipped into them and no one's growing anything. And the population keeps booming and So you got to get these people food. And we, right now, are dependent upon factory farming for a lot of that food.

Well, I wonder if you could, through regenerative farming, cover it. I wonder. Could that ultimately be- Yeah, I wonder.

I think people are definitely going to have to change the way they eat.

It has to change. We at least have to change the way we farm because otherwise we're going to have just more desertification.

But it At least people are aware of it now. At least there's more information and more education about that today than has ever been before. I mean, this is never a discussion when I was a kid. I never heard anything about that. It was just being done. And this is just you got food, and you didn't think about where it came from. And then the term organic came around like, what's that? It's no pesticides. What's a pesticide? What's on the food? We didn't know. And back then, there was no access to any information other than mainstream media. So it was pretty easy for them to going on with these practices. Unless you went out and sought it out and went and found books or someone told you about a book, you didn't know. You didn't get that information. I think more people have that information now than ever before. So that's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful. And I think Bobby really does have an idea of how to do this. And I hope he's successful.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah, me too. Well, listen, brother, it's been great talking to you. I really appreciated it. I really I'm very happy to meet you. I've enjoyed your work for so many years. So it's a pleasure to do this.

Pleasure's all mine, dude. I really am. It's a privilege to be here with you.

Thank you for having me. My pleasure. Let's break bread someday. Have a good time. I'd love to. Great. Okay.

I'll get your info and I'll give you my email. We're friends. All right.

Sounds good, brother. All right. All right. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody..