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Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Oprah's doing an episode on psychedelics.

God bless.

How about that?

God bless.

I mean, she's definitely done it. Yeah. You don't do a. Are we rolling yet? Are we rolling? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't do an episode on psychedelics unless you visited the Maya. Unless you got in there, you think.

It'S ayahuasca or mushrooms.

Most of those fancy people like to do the ayahuasca.

Yeah.

You know, because then you. You can claim spirituality above all other people.

Oh, you think there's like a pretentiousness?

Oh, 100%. There's a. I've done it. I've done it. I've experienced the Mother God.

Yeah.

The God.

Yeah.

I've experienced Gaia.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, I think. I think people do really do experience that, but also there's a certain type of personality that wants to let you know that they're enlightened.

Yeah.

They're. They're further down the road than you, Andrew.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, one way to get, like, instant street cred in the psychedelics world is say you do ayahuasca.

Yeah.

You know, if you do mushrooms, you might just be some at a party. You know, you and your friends are just giggling non stop on the couch.

It could be that there's no points in mushrooms.

Right. You don't get points for that. You can say, you say you took a heroic dose. You get points amongst the learned.

Yeah, yeah. But the casuals don't give a.

The casuals don't.

You do ayahuasca? We're going to pay attention a little bit.

Yeah. The casuals are going to go, why did you eat 8 grams? Yeah, that seems crazy. But the other people are going to go, whoa, what was that like?

Yeah, yeah.

Oprah's out here.

Oprah's out here pushing it. I wonder if it's like. Yeah.

I mean, this is on my friend Mark Bell's page. Mark Smelly Bell. And he. He said, what fucking year are we living in? Like, what is happening here? What's going on?

Yeah. I wonder if the ayahuasca thing is for some, like, a quick fix, you know, they're looking for, like, immediate life change.

Oh, yeah, for sure. And also sometimes your life has been such a colossal series of failures that you want, like some symbolic reset.

Yeah.

And probably there's a lot of value in like a real, I guess, like, set and setting Like a ritual.

Yeah.

Like, I merge. I'm a new person.

Yes.

Maybe that bullshit will give you some momentum for real, to kind of get on the right track.

I was talking to Neil about this. Neil Brennan. You know, he. He. He did it.

He's done a lot.

He's done. Yeah. Because he's trying. You know, he was really battling.

He's getting off that vegan diet.

Yeah. Maybe that's it. What if it's just chicken is all he needs?

Like, what if it's a ribeye down.

In Costa Rica licking toads and he really.

For real. If I had that dude over my house and cooked him some elk steak, I'll change his life. As you make an agreement. Just eat this with me.

He takes one bite and he's like, I am worthy. But I think he was talking about it and then, like. And he was, you know. You know, one of his, like, superpowers is his, like, cynicism. Right. And it's really debilitating. And I tell him to this all the time, but, like, it's also amazing because he's, like, hyper aware of what the most negative thing could be.

Right. So for joke writing, it's amazing.

It's. It's like he's constantly wondering, like, what would his biggest hater think? I actually think it was. It was one of the reasons why Chappelle's show was so successful, because it's like, to create things, you need to be super confident. You need to not worry about who's going to criticize you.

Yeah.

So if you can outsource your criticism. So if Dave can, like, think about these things and be like, okay, this is awesome. And then Neil can be like, yeah, but this would be said if we do this. And then together you have this, like, perfect combination of, like, uber confidence and then this insecurity. And then you make these things that are just masterpieces and hyper analytical.

Insecurity.

Yes.

You know, like, intelligent hyper.

When you're smart and insecure, it's even worse. Dumb and insecure, you can manage. But then he said he did the ayahuasca, and he was like. He had gave me this, like, I don't know, feeling of connectedness or whatever people experience through it. And he's like, it was really liberating. I think I did my best work afterwards because I wasn't constantly beating myself up. Like, I was able to create. So I think there is value in it. But I do think sometimes people are looking for, like, the. The quick. Okay, my life has changed now. And Now I connect with the world and we're perfect.

You can always tell the guys who beat themselves up because they beat other people up too.

What is it? I hurt people. Hurt people?

Yeah. The guys who beat themselves up, they're always like super critical of other. But look at him. Look at his fucking bullshit.

Did you ever go through a stage like that?

Not really.

Never?

No. No. I figured it out when I was 21. Real lucky. I talked about this the other day. There was one time, it was an open mic night and. And the guy went on after me. I was hoping that he would bomb. And I remember thinking that, like, what a bitch ass way to think that is. Ugh. Yeah, that's such a bitch ass way to think. And I completely shifted my perspective. Cause like, you don't think like that with martial arts. Like, you can't think like that. You know, you can't think like that. You can't think like that ever. That's like a weak ass thought.

Yes.

And then I realized, like, oh, this is like your brain trying to occupy itself with, you know, this time that's gonna be between you and your goal of doing something in comedy. And it's so far away, you suck. You're 21 years old and you suck.

So everybody else gotta suck.

So you want people to fail and you want to do better. Yeah, it's like, it's just a total scrambly, I don't know what I'm doing with my life thought.

Yeah.

And I realized I was like, oh, that's a bitch ass thought.

But that is that very normal for human beings.

Oh, yeah. I feel a lot of out there.

Yeah. Like we're kind of made in general. Like it takes more effort to not be a.

Actually, especially if you have a job. So if you have a regular job job, like an office job, you will pretend to be a whole different person for eight hours a day, every day of your life that you're there.

Yeah.

That is a lot of time bullshitting.

Yeah.

And when you get out of all that bullshitting, there's not much you left. Whatever could have been you never grew. Because whatever could have been you was stifled by fluorescent lights and a fucking monitor.

You're watching severance, right?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, clearly it's a metaphor for. I know there's a lot of things that go on to. And also shout out Ben Stiller. I didn't even know Ben had this, like, level to him. I've always respected Ben. I thought he was hilarious, making great comedy movies. But I didn't know. He was like an avant garde storyteller.

Right, right. I mean, also, the way it's shot is brilliant.

The first episode, every shot, I don't know who the DP is. Like, we should find out who that guy is. But every shot has, like, perfect symmetry. Did you notice that?

I didn't notice.

You could cut the screen in half every single shot.

Really?

It is a masterpiece. But I think about that, like, this idea of, like, severing yourself. A lot of people are doing that at work anyway, 100%. And that's what you were describing. They're this other person at work for eight hours a day.

Yeah.

They aren't their self. There's a different identity. They make up these little terms like, oh, it's my work wife. It's like, yeah.

Well, that's why it's so easy to push, like, crazy woke nonsense into an office space, because people are already bullshitting.

Oh, so if we're already pretending here, what else are we going to pretend?

What else I have to do to keep this job?

Yeah.

What do I have to do to get a promotion? What do I have to do? Do I have to pretend that trans kids. What is it? Drag queen shows? Okay, I'm in.

Yeah, I'm in Health care.

Yeah. My dick. Whatever you want to call it.

And it's gender affirming.

Was that what we're calling it? Okay.

And it's interesting, like, to see how little pushback there is about, like, from the workers now that all these, like, programs are being wiped away.

Like, well, the people that are losing their job are complaining hard, and then the senators are complaining hard. But everybody else is happy.

Yeah. The people who've been faking it at work that are still working there are not like, damn it. You know what I mean? They're just going, all right, I get to be, like, a little closer version to myself.

Well, they're probably gonna get fired at Disney.

You're saying at Disney?

What do you mean?

I'm saying all these programs, like, have come out. Maybe not Disney, but it was like Zuckerberg comes out and goes, yeah, meta. We're not gonna do the DEI shit. Amazon even came out.

I thought you're meaning government jobs are cut by usa.

No, I'm talking about corporate jobs. People have corporate jobs.

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Could be DEI. It could just be anybody working there in general.

There's like, there's a bunch of people that got jobs, and their whole job was to make sure that the company was diverse, right? And it's like, do you remember the Rainbow Coalition? You remember Jesse Jackson back in the day? Jesse Jackson used to.

I mean, I know Jesse, but I.

He had this thing where he would go to businesses, like, if they had some sort of a dispute, like say if there's some sort of an issue, like maybe some black executive got fired, maybe shouldn't have, or someone put something on the wall in the bathroom, something. Jesse Jackson will come in and for a nominal fee, for a nominal fee, he will come in and straighten your business out.

What does straighten your business out mean?

Well, make sure that you guys are on the right track. Give a little speech, collect a little check, and then what?

Today they say you're not racist. Absolutely.

You're not. You can't be racist. You're hiring Jesse Jackson and we're on the right track. So he comes along, gives you the rubber stamp legend, and then. And he's like ballin'like, balling out of control. Just giving the rubber stamps to these companies. And then on top of that, what they do is then they would have jobs for people to oversee this activity in A large corporation. So it's basically like no show jobs. The mob used to give out at the Javits Center.

Right.

I had a buddy of mine who had one of those.

Do people know what the Javits center is here?

It's. It's a big convention center.

New York City. This is where, like, Comic Con would be and all these different things, big stuff. And it was mobbed up, right?

Mobbed up.

So they would have all these fake jobs that you could give to the guys around the block. Yeah, everybody's getting paid and it's probably supported by the city in some way, right?

Yeah. I don't want to say his name because he's still around, but he was an actor and I was working with him and he was explaining he's got a no show job. I knew he was.

Do I know who you're talking?

Probably not, but I'll tell you afterwards.

Okay.

Great guy.

Okay.

But afterwards, everybody was like, that guy's like, so mobbed up. No show job.

You know what's funny about this?

Get like 200 grand a year, you don't have to work.

Yeah, yeah. I mean. I mean, there's a lot of, like, construction jobs and stuff. Like, this is.

Well, this is what Finding USA found this place in San Antonio that you.

Thought it was only Ukraine on.

And it's fucking. No one was there. Completely empty.

To me, this is not, like, shocking. But the numbers are shocking. No, the numbers can get shocking. But it's funny, the Jesse Jackson thing is an actual job because I remember, like, I had a joke that it could never work out, but the idea was based on. It was Black Lives Matter when Ukraine started popping. Right. So everybody had the Black Lives Matter posters in their windows in New York. And when Black Lives Matter kind of came down.

Well, it's. Once those ladies got caught buying houses, of course. Of course that put a dent in it.

It wasn't great. So. So now there's all these white people in New York that have Black Lives Matter in their window. But they're like, I gotta get this out of my window. So I had this idea for a joke where it's like, if I was a black dude, I would set up a business where we will take down your Black Lives Matter poster for you and then replace with, like a Ukraine flag. You know what I mean? So, like, you're still a good person. Jesse was doing it in the fucking 70s. I had no clue. The Rainbow Coalition already worked.

That is what it's called, right? Yeah, it was the Rainbow Coalition. He had a bunch of other things he would call it under. But the whole idea was just to make sure that people weren't doing the wrong thing.

Yeah.

Do the right thing.

Yeah. You gotta do the right thing.

You gotta do the right thing.

You always gotta do it.

Yeah. But the problem with that is it gets hijacked. Obviously, there should be no racism. There should be zero racism.

Yes.

There should be zero discrimination. Everything should be merit based.

Yeah.

But the problem with that is, and this is a real problem, the country's not merit based in terms of, like, where you're born. Like, you didn't earn your birth spot.

Yeah.

You didn't earn your family. Yeah. It's a roll the dice.

Yeah.

And you get real lucky or really fucking unlucky.

Yeah.

And as a community, as a country, we pay zero attention to the completely downtrodden.

I think this is the. The biggest mistake that the Democrat Party has made is not making it a class issue. Like, the most successful people in the party, like Bernie and you like her politics or not, but like aoc, they make it a class issue every single time. I think. I think AOC polled the same as Trump in her district. Why is that? Because people think that she wants to help. And Bernie has just been taking shots the entire time. He's like, look at all these billionaires. They got a lot of money. You don't have enough money. Campaign finance is fucked up. We need to stop that. There's too much influence with people, with money, and it resonates with people.

Oh, yeah, man.

We feel like you want to help. I mean, you. I feel like you were like, big Bernie. Dude.

Dude. That was the first time I really got canceled, was over Bernie because they didn't want Bernie to win. And so they started calling me racist and homophobic. And I was like, where is this coming from?

When Bernie started popping, what did they say? Right. They had to. I don't know who they is. You could call whoever the fuck they want, but, like, there was this idea that they had to, like, thwart his success. And these articles started coming out where it was like, the Bernie bros. Yeah. Bernie's got a problem. His. His. His fans or supporters are sexist, they're racist, and they're these bros that are. That are fucked up and they're radioactive and they're bad people, and he's got a real problem, so they're trying to make him radioactive. And I remember seeing the reaction to Trump coming on the pods, and it was the exact same playbook. It was like the Manosphere pods.

Yeah.

They're sexist, they're racist. Look how fucked. It's like you're doing the same thing.

Yeah.

You're making it about identity politics. I think Americans are kind of simple in that. Like, we want abundance, but we want access. So if eggs are expensive, I can't care about your bathrooms. Right. And you need to tap into that feeling right there. So if I'm the Democrats, I'm just. This is a class issue. But I feel, unfortunately, a lot of them are in the pockets of these wealthy people.

Yeah. It's all a hustle. If we had the entire time, if we had brilliant people working for the betterment of the United States would be a far better place to live in. We've had a bunch of people that are capitalizing off of the fact they get in this position of extreme influence and wealth.

Yeah.

And they make insane amounts of money for people with $170,000 a year salary, and they keep it rolling.

So how do you. How do you do that? Like, how do you find. Okay, how do you. How do you find somebody who wants power but is also benevolent?

Because you got to get rare human beings.

That's the thing. Most people who want power don't exactly want to give back. It's a bottomless pit, bro.

Have you ever seen people get, like, a little bit of power and lose their fucking marbles?

Like, who?

Well, I can't say. I can't tell a story. Real obvious what I'm talking about, but it's not one of our friends. I just don't want to say it publicly. It's not. You don't even know.

Okay.

But I've seen people with just like, you get a job where you're the boss now, and you just become a cunt and a half. Like, what happened?

Do you think it exposes who they always were, or do you think it actually changes their. Their character?

It's probably both. It's probably both. They probably had weak character to begin with, but they could get away with it if they were not in situations that, you know, caused a lot of anxiety or stress. But then as soon as they do get in a situation like causing. Like, if you're the boss of some workplace somewhere.

Yeah.

I've just seen people just completely lose their shit. When people rely on them and depend on them, they just become tyrants.

Do you think that they resent the dependence?

I don't know what it is, man. I don't know what it is.

You have a lot of people that depend. Is Yeah, I would say depend is tricky because they have the autonomy to not do that. But there are a lot of people that definitely rely on you and. Yeah. Do you feel pressure from me? Yeah.

No.

Really?

No.

I feel like you took care. Like, before you opened the, the comedy club, you were taking care of these people that you asked to come out here and work for you. So you must have felt this concern for them. Yeah. Didn't you hire them and weren't you paying them even before the club was open?

Yeah, well, they were all unemployed out of la. So I said, listen, we're gonna open up a club, we're gonna find spot, but you could start immediately. So, like, you just get paid. Enjoy Austin, Kick back, relax. We'll call you in about a year and a half. But you around two years.

But you felt the responsibility.

Yes, but it didn't burden me.

Got it.

It wasn't like, oh, this is a heavy responsibility. It's like, this is smart. We could do this. This is the right thing to do. This way. We already have the best people that, you know got fired from the Comedy Store because Comedy Store couldn't open because LA's retarded.

Yeah.

And so we got them all to come out here and it's like, look, the right thing to do. So, like, pay them now and we'll figure that out. We just had to figure out where the SP was and then obviously, once we got the spots, like, this is going to be a long. We're going to have to put some construction on this and do a lot of. And it's going to take some months.

So you. You knew it was going to take time. You're like, okay, I'm going to take care of them in the interim. But again, it's. So you're not burdened by people feeling like they rely on you or anything.

No, it doesn't bother me. No, if it burdened me, like, if it was something where I was worried I was going to run out of money, like, if I was, like, stretched real thin.

Yeah.

I'd be like, there's so many people working for me. This is a problem. Like, I gotta. I gotta, like, figure something out.

Yeah.

But I'm not. So it's okay. It's just, it's like, to decide what you think about in this life.

What do you mean by that?

Decide what you think about in this life. Are you gonna do something that's going to change the way you feel about having a bunch of employees or have people, or are you not. Or you're just gonna freak out about it. Like, decide what you think about things.

What are those two philosophies like determinism and free will.

Yes.

Are you a huge free will guy? Do you believe in determinism at all?

Will is real. Okay. I know it's real because it exists in me. The idea, though, is that it's fleeting and it's dependent upon a multitude of factors. Your will is really dependent upon your hormone levels, your genetics, how much sleep you've had, what positive or negative experiences have shaped you in your life. There's a lot going on that. That like, forces you into this position where you have to decide whether or not will is real. Yeah, but will's real.

I believe it's real.

It's 100% real.

Yeah.

Like, I know it's not determinism that makes David Goggins run harder than anybody else. It's will. Yeah, it's 100% will. His knees are destroyed.

Yeah.

It's only Will that just gets you up off the couch if your knees are destroyed and you run a tidy 30 miles that day. Not. That's not determinism.

Yeah.

That's bullshit. It was determinism. There'd be tons of those guys out there. Yeah. A small. Cameron Haynes small little fucking handful of these, like, psychotic people who have incredible will. World champion fighters, you know, Gordon Ryan and Jiu jitsu. Like, there's a. Like, Gordon Ryan works out every day of the week, 365 days a year.

It's a huge sacrifice if you want.

To be really great at something. You kind of have to be out of your mind. But you also have to have an iron will.

Yeah.

You don't want to work out every day.

Yeah.

There's going to be days you just want to eat cake and sleep.

Yeah.

But if you want to get past the guy who eats cake and sleeps, you don't eat cake and you don't sleep.

Yeah, that's.

Well, dude, that's. Will. There's a. I don't. Your determinism can suck my dick. Because it's never. There's no. Just like accidental amazing people.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like, you know, it's like a lot of similar stories. Just Single bomb, you know, started doing this and started doing the. Invented something when he's 18.

Do they all come from trauma, you think?

I think a lot of people that are hyper ambitious come from a shitty environment.

And what is that connection?

I think it's probably wanting something better than you're experiencing and knowing that it's possible that it's out there and knowing the pain of living in the ghetto or the pain of being on food stamps, the pain of poverty and the fact that like when you're poor and you're young, you wonder whether or not you're going to have food. You know, that's a scary thought for a child. Yeah.

That's motivating.

Yeah. It puts a kind of fire in you. Like you don't get a Mike Tyson if he grows up in Brentwood.

Yeah.

You know, you get them when they grow up in Bedford Stuyvesant.

Yeah.

You know, you don't get them when they have an awesome dad, an awesome mom who's there for their baseball games, tells them what a great job they did and consoles them when they get hurt. And like. No, no, no. You have like a life of pain and then you got some pain to dish out after that.

I also, but I feel like it's not completely dependent on that, you know, Like, I wouldn't say that I had this like life of pain. Like I've, you know, dealt with my shit, you know, But I feel incredibly competitive and ambitious.

Well, you're an artist. It's a different thing, right? Yeah. The reason why it's a different thing is you're an artist in a very specific genre, which is talking shit. You're a shit talking artist, Right? Like shit talking.

I'll distill it to that. It is what it is.

It is what it is. It's beautiful. It's a professional, my favorite art form.

Yeah.

And shit talking artists, they want to be around a bunch of people and have a good time.

Yeah.

Right. So you don't need to come from trauma to be ambitious and be a shit talking artist.

Yeah.

All you have to do is like be someone who admires success and who wants to progress and keep getting better at this thing that they love that has given them so much.

Yeah. But you also have to sacrifice and you have to commit to things.

Right.

You know, I do feel like it takes like. I mean, I didn't. I mean in the beginning, like, I don't think I celebrated a birthday for like a decade. Like, I don't think I ever considered like taking a vacation or anything. Like, I was just so hungry to get after it, to get good, to be like undeniable. That was like this goal. It's like, how can I be undeniable? I would see these guys go up like Greer Barnes or Mike D. Stefano, and I'd just be like, they're just undeniable. And Yeah. I don't know. I just. I didn't even fucking drink, I think, for, like, a decade. I was like, I gotta get better at this. I gotta just kind of work. And maybe that comes from, like, watching my parents work hard or something.

I'm sure that helps.

Yeah, they were really hard workers.

Yeah.

And that's, like, the expectation of work.

Well, also, you have a lot of gratitude, and I think if you have gratitude, you realize how fortunate you are to have the ability to work hard.

Yeah.

Because that's a real thing.

Oh, dude.

Especially working hard at something that you're actually successful at. Like, once you're actually successful. Keep that foot on the gas. It is. Keep that foot on the gas. Let's go.

That. That's, like, the balance. Like, you just put something out. So I imagine you took a little time off afterwards.

Yeah, I did. I got, like, 25 minutes right now.

Okay. So you're building back. And, like, I find in order for the next thing I do to be different, I have to take time away because I have to, like, reflect on the changes in my life. And if I keep going, like, earlier in my career, I would just go, go, go, go. And I found I was writing different versions of the same jokes.

Right.

Like, they were different jokes, but it was same topic, same kind of reaction. And I think it was. I just wasn't.

You're trying to fill time.

I'm on the road. I'm like, I gotta go back to Albany next year, do another hour. I'm making 1500 a weekend.

And then you get connected to that material because you've been doing it for a while.

Yeah.

And then it doesn't really resonate with you. Yeah.

And then. Yeah. So it's like.

I think Louis took a whole year off.

I think I. I really. I really respect that.

Yeah. I think. I think it's wise.

Yeah.

I think taking time and thinking about it is really wise. And thinking about, like, what are the things that are. That are on your mind? Like, what is. What is. How do you really feel about this world that we're living? This. This world that seems more and more like it's not real.

More and more.

Like it's a simulation.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm kind of convinced now what it is.

A simulation.

Yeah. Something going on. There's something more to reality than what meets the eye. There's more to it than what you could put on a scale or what you could put a ruler to. There's more to this thing. This thing's made out of, like, Some very bizarre energy that's attached to consciousness. That's what I think.

What do you mean by this?

I think that, like, I think it's really possible. First of all, it's inevitable that one day they will achieve a simulation that is indiscernible from reality.

Okay.

No doubt about it. They've gotten real close, you know, where you could put on haptic feedback suits and you can see things and you feel like you're in a room. You know, it's crude, but it's like, you know, Nintendo from 20 years ago versus, you know, some Modern Warfare game now.

Right.

They're going to get to a point where it's indiscernible.

Yeah.

So if it's. If it does happen, how do you know? How do you know when that takes place? Now, here's the question is that the ultimate progression of technology is the ultimate progression of technology transcending physical reality and becoming completely digital life. So if that is possible, how do we know if it hasn't already happened? Yeah, how can we know if it hasn't already happened? Well, one thing I would say that if this world was scripted, it would be filled with a lot of shit that's exactly like what happened. Trump would get shot in the ear and say, fight, fight, fight. You would have Elon Musk at the inauguration looking like he's on another planet.

Now, Joe, I just want to make the point here. You're making the argument for determinism.

No, I'm not. I'm making the argument that there's a conscious interface. There's consciousness, and it's interfacing with something that's not entirely real. And that is the life that we're living in.

Yeah.

And we think it's way realer than it actually is.

Yeah. So is somebody in control of it or they're allowing us to have some semblance of control?

I feel like it might be controlled by the actual things that are inside of it. So I think our destiny is truly in our hands. I really believe.

I like that. And then if that is the case, how is that not real?

Well, it is real in a sense, but I think that the. The actual way that things happen and work is dependent entirely on the level of consciousness that people have that are experiencing it. It sounds like very hippy, dippy and wooey. And it all comes. Comes from a lot of different things, but one of it comes from Tom Campbell, who wrote this, like, very fucking biz that. I've listened to an audiobook twice now.

Okay.

Where he's talking about essentially, what we think of as reality is just a simulation.

Okay.

The whole entire thing is our consciousness interpreting everything as we experience it throughout the day. But when we are not here.

Yeah.

That is not the same thing.

What do you mean when we're not here? When we die?

Like, when we're not. If you're not on Mars, is Mars real or is Mars something that we. We agree is real? We agree it's in a certain space, and it'd only be there when we get there. Like, if the universe is a true simulation, imagine what a mind fuck. You have a simulation where it's perfect in that it has all these galaxies and supernovas. The moon aligns perfectly with the Earth to cause eclipses, and without the moon being there, our entire atmosphere would fall apart. We would never be able to survive.

Yeah.

So it's like this perfect little.

Yeah.

That's set right there. And we spin around and worry, which bathroom should we let the guy in a dress go to?

Okay.

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Okay, so it's a show being put on for our consciousness. Right. And then somebody's put it on the show, and then we get the ability to go to. And then they got to scramble and make a moon.

No, there's a moon. I mean, it doesn't matter. Wherever you. Wherever you go.

Because that is kind of funny if, like, our technology gets so good and they're just going, fuck, we got to make this thing real. They're on the way.

I'm well aware if you're, like, criticizing me. This is a dopey way to describe it, but if the tree falls in the forest and there's no one there, does it make a sound?

Yes.

I don't even know if the tree falls. If there's no one there. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced.

So the tree. Okay. Okay.

So if you take a trip to the Pacific Northwest, you will find Trees.

Yes, yes.

I just don't know. Some of them are all the time.

So they're only there in reference to us looking at them. Oh, I get what you're saying.

I think.

Wait, wait. So you're playing a video game, and as you move throughout the map of the video game, it has to render itself. Yeah, but you're saying without us accessing it, it isn't presenting itself.

It might be the whole.

They're saving our data.

That might be the whole universe. The whole universe might be us interacting with something.

But they exist.

It doesn't exist without us.

Yeah. And this is one of those things, like, what does it matter either way.

But exists with us in this moment. Like, if you jump off a cliff, you will die.

Yeah.

Like gravity's real. Yeah. You get pulverized. Yeah, no, no, no doubt. But.

But it's because you jumped.

It's also like your consciousness is the reason why all this is here.

Yeah.

Because you're interacting with it.

That's the manifestation of everything, though. So I get what you're saying. Like, the structure, existentially, does it exist if we're not touching it, feeling it? It's what they say about, like, the Native Americans, when they first saw the ships, they didn't know what they were.

Yeah, that's bullshit. That's not real.

Exactly. But like. But. But I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that it's not real in that they didn't understand what it was in the distance. They think they were, like mountains moving closer.

They probably just saw these giant pieces of wood and was trying to figure out they had.

They might not know it's wood.

But didn't they have structures?

I don't know if they're fishing at that time. I'm not sure. But if you see them in the distance, you see them moving forward.

Right.

I get the idea. Like, your brain can't map what that is yet.

You'd be freaked out.

So it's mapping to whatever you know. So it's like, oh, is it low tide? And there's some, like, sandbars out there that are slowly approaching. What the Is it that. That's kind of what you're saying. We can't under. Like, I can't understand, like, what a glacier is without knowing what it is. When I see a glacier for the first time, I can recognize glaciers everywhere. But if I take someone who's never seen a glacier to it, I think.

This guy's going further than that. I Think he's saying the glaciers aren't real, Less you're there.

But if someone is there at every point in time throughout the world, then everything is.

Yes.

And we have enough people where there's some people in Antarctica. All right, so Antarctica is always there. There's some people in Alaska. Okay. So that's always there. If enough people throughout the world. The world is this congealed substance that we can look at, feel, touch and experience.

Yeah. And it might be like the map of the game is like those NASA satellite photos of Earth. That's the map of the game. Like, if you wanted to, like, go through a game, a video game, and before you go through the game, it shows you, like, these are the arenas in which you're playing.

And you can choose one of them.

Yeah, yeah, you could choose one. Or you know which level you're going to.

Yeah.

Like, that's those NASA 3D photos of the Earth. That's what the Earth is. Earth is like, the place where we play this consciousness game.

When you're sitting at home and you're, like, thinking about these things.

Yeah.

Do you, like, talk to your kids about it?

No. That's too weird to talk to kids about.

What about your wife? Are you, like, just going.

She would go, what?

Yeah.

You know my wife. She'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?

Okay, so you're walking. So you get out of the sauna, you have a nice sweat. You're walking around your house, you're looking at the stars, you see fucking Saturn or whatever.

If she wants to talk about something like that.

Yeah.

She'll bring it up. Like, if she wants to talk about something heavy. It's not like, I wouldn't talk about something heavy with her.

Yeah.

But generally, like, I come home from work, she's been with the kids, she's doing this and that. We eat dinner, we have fun. How was school? Have a good time. Maybe we watch a little Severance together.

Yeah. Yeah.

But if she's like, did you ever think that maybe this is all. Isn't real? I'd be like. Like, I'm so glad you brought this up.

Okay. So do you. Do you struggle battling with the. Because some people, when they think about this stuff, they feel their own insignificance, and it's very depressing for them.

Oh, it doesn't matter like this.

So you're unaffected entirely. That, like, your existence in this lifetime over the grand scheme of things could not be important.

It can be important. Important.

But it is.

But it is to you and it is to the people around you.

So if that makes up our reality, then it's important.

Sure, but why think about that? Why think about whether or not you're important? I just don't waste any time thinking about whether or not I'm important.

Maybe important is. Maybe important is like a pretentious word. Not, I'm not important. I mean like, don't think about the.

End of the game. Play the game. Don't go, oh my God, it's gonna end. Yes, my quarter's gonna run out. Just play the game.

But some people won't play the game if they know it's. There's no game at all, or they know it is completely a game. I think that there's this like, urgency that is applied. Like, okay, I have to, I have to create the art that I want to create in this time in my life. Like, time is something I've been thinking about like, non stop since I had a kid. It's like time. How do I spend time? It may be as cliche, but it is the thing that I like value the most. And everything gets broken up into these little quadrants of time. Okay, I'm out here, I'm doing some pods. Okay, I'm away from my daughter, I'm away from my wife. How do I get back that time? How can I like create these events? Like, I don't even buy expensive shit. I like to take a vacation with my friends. I want us all to stay in the villa together because when we're in different hotel rooms, we miss out on those little moments in between time, time, time. And to me, it's like I'm putting an importance on this, I guess the game you say you're playing.

I want to experience the most of this game as I possibly can while I'm here. And I have all these examples of people, like, finishing the game. You know, my dad, you know, he's got dementia and all this stuff. It's like you're seeing your ability to, I guess, manifest that reality. You're at the kind of end of your game, you know, knock on wood. But like, yeah, the idea of like me being important, I don't care about like that in terms of how people see it. But in this time I have here, I want to believe it's really important and I want to soak as much of it up as I can, you know. And I think sometimes when you're like, ah, it's pointless, it's nothing like, like I felt like Jim Carrey was going through that moment, like, there are these times where I'd see Jim talking about, like, the insignificance of the world, and I feel like that can kind of, like, lead people to sadness and depression. I feel like sometimes you need the battery in your back of importance. Not you being important to other people, but the time you spend here being valuable.

Yeah, well, that's part of gratitude, too. That's one of your best traits. And having gratitude is you would recognize that you. This time is precious, you know, use it to the best of your ability and really, like, you enjoy it. Like, soak it up.

Did you see everything everywhere all at once?

Yeah, I did.

Like, I thought that was a beautiful, beautiful way of showcasing how people look at, like, the nothingness of life.

Yeah.

This girl sees it as potentially nothing and falls into her own kind of. I guess you call it depression. Why is it worth it? What the fuck is going on?

Right.

And she kind of sees her father as this, like, weak guy that's getting, like, walked over and then comes to realize that, like, he chooses to deal with the nothingness, with kindness and love, with everybody. And in reality, he's like a hero. Like, his perspective on the world is the best. When confronted with the nothingness of life, he chooses to, like, be compassionate and loving. And it's actually, like, the most heroic stand you can take. I think it's very easy to just submit to nothingness. You're determined is maybe the wrong word. But, like, you like hard. The day. The day you're no longer here is when you can no longer do hard shit. I feel like your day is full of it, and it's just constant. Like, wake up. I'm getting in the fucking ice bath. Like, everything I see you do is hard. You know what I mean? Like, you could shoot a fucking thing with a gun if you want. You can shoot animals with a gun. I'm surprised you don't run on them with a fucking knife. Like. Like, literally, like, I feel like one day I'm gonna see you go, I'm going knife hunting.

I'm going bear knife hunting just because it's a difficult thing to do. And, I don't know, maybe that's how you process the process, existence.

Well, I think if you are a person who enjoys challenges and. And finds a reward in, like, working hard and. And overcoming that resistance inside of you. As Pressfield talks about that. That thing that wants you to be lazy, if you. If you have value in that, you find value in that, and it helps you live like a more Enriched, more fulfilling life. You tend to just keep doing that. Because this is like, if I. I know for a fact, me, as much as I work out and take care of myself, if I take, like three.

Days off, you'll start to get used to it.

I start getting depressed, I start getting anxious. I start feeling weird, like, I don't feel level. Like, a couple of days off, you're just like, I just feel gross. I just like, why is the world so weird? And then I'll have one good hard workout and then I'm like, oh, everything's fine. And I'm like, how many people need.

That and don't get what is that?

It's just a human body has certain requirements because it's designed to run from tigers. Okay. The human body is designed to constantly.

So you have to feed it. Yeah, you have to feed it. You have to deal with these difficult things because for millions of years, that's how our brains and bodies have been processed to work efficiently. And if you don't put in those situations. What is the. Is the messaging? Like, you're wasting this time here. What is that? Internal messaging?

You can have both, right? You can have people that have brilliant minds and shit bodies. They exist. There's people that don't take care of their body and their. Yeah, Stephen Hawking. But he, you know, he had a disease, but.

But he wasn't like an Adonis before.

Right? That's true, too.

Yeah.

Right.

People act like it's a big difference.

Yeah. But the. The best way for your brain to work well is if your body is healthy and has energy. It doesn't mean you have to be a weightlifter. It doesn't mean you have to be. You have to do any specific thing. If you like running, run. If you like tennis, play test. If you like yoga, do yoga. But you should 100% do something. Find a thing you enjoy doing. That's why golf, or rather tennis, is such a great thing, because it's cardio and it's fun.

Yeah.

Right. You're doing a fun thing. You're playing with your friends.

Also. Community.

Yeah, community.

Huge.

Yeah. But you're. You're active. If you don't do that, I don't think your body is in sync. And I think there's a whole lot of people running out there taking care of things with pills that you could fix way better and. And feel and look better. More importantly, you. It would help in every aspect of your life. It would help you think clear. You'd have less stress. You'd be more reasonable, like, go fucking do something with your goddamn body.

Yeah.

And if you. If you don't do that, I really believe if you don't do that, you have less potential. You can have a genius mind that allows you to overcome that potential, which is just. Just pure intelligence, just a pure insight on the world. That's extraordinary. You could overcome hormone levels and, you know, body fat levels. You could, but you shouldn't.

Yeah.

You're so smart. You got a terrible body. What's wrong with you?

Yeah.

If one of these goddamn things.

Yeah.

You can make that thing awesome.

Yeah.

You don't even do anything.

Yeah, yeah.

You have one of these, you get one body, and yours is a. A dumpster.

Yeah.

Yours is a dumpster for potato chips. That's crazy.

What do you like when you're talking to these high functioning dudes you're talking to, like, an Elon. Is there. Did they value exercise and stuff like that at all? Like, can he even put that in his day?

Like, Elon's a different animal. There's no other human I've ever met like him. No, he. I don't think he exercises much. I think maybe a little bit. I know he was thinking about fighting Zuckerberg, so he did some training. He trained with Lex and who else was it? George St. Pierre. They put up a photo of it. It was George. Right, so he trains with one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time.

Yeah.

Lex Friedman, our boy, who is also a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt.

Yeah.

And I think he just did a little bit of that. It was like this shout out, Lex. There it is. And John Donahue, the great John Donahue, the greatest jiu jitsu coach of all time. So he was, like, learning some stuff.

I'll never forget Lex coming to my wedding uninvited and blacking out. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that. Thank you, Lex.

We really appreciate that. In all fairness, it was my fault that he blacked out.

You forced him to drink.

I kind of got him a drink and didn't realize the Russian in him had a mind of tone. That Russian mixed with that fucking American bourbon. That motherfucker was off to the races.

So funny. Whitney was like, yeah, I'm gonna take Lex. I was like, oh, okay.

Cool.

Yeah, I like that guy. And then I remember seeing him on, like, a beach chair. Just pass the out.

Oh, dude. We had an adventure. Yeah.

So you guys went to Vegas later.

Vegas, that night. Because Whitney had, like, a corporate. She had a wedding she did a wedding house. It was a corporate, but it was a wedding at someone's house. Yeah, I think it was a wedding or birthday, whatever it was.

Yeah.

Party, Private party at someone's house. Must have been a birthday. So we fly from your wedding, congratulations, hang out and then hop on a jet. You know, it's only 30 minutes to Vegas. We get to Vegas by the time we land, Lex is lit. Yeah, I mean, Lex is lit at the party. Lit.

Lit.

So Whitney performs at this lady's house.

Didn't you go on?

I introduce her. Oh, I think you did like five minutes. I was drunk too. I went up and said happy birthday, whatever to the lady. I forget what it was. I think, I'm pretty sure it's birthday. And then I bring up my good friend, one of the most hilarious comics in the world, Whitney. Come. And then we get on the plane or we get in the car to go to the plane to head back and there's no plane. They never booked a return flight. So we tried. So we try to get a return flight because they had her, got her a little shitty private jet to get there. So then we try to get a return flight. We cannot. I call my service. They can't. The quickest they could do is in the morning. Yeah, like, what do you guys want to do? So we decide that we're gonna get a limo and so have a car service drive us back to la. So it was four hour drive or whatever the fuck it is. Me, my wife Whitney and Lex.

I remember you just sending me videos of less passed out at different parts of the casino.

That's at the airport. That's. That's at the airport.

But he's like that for the last 12 hours. He was like that at the wedding.

He was obliterated. I mean, he went hard. That boy goes hard. Yeah, he goes hard. It makes you want to not drink.

Yeah.

There's certain people I'm around, I'm like, I think I'm done. Yeah, I think I'm done.

I feel like less people are drinking.

Well, it's really, that might be your influence. It's a good idea to not drink so much.

I wonder if the, like, the alcohol companies are concerned. They're trying to find something.

There's always gonna be drunks.

I, I see it. I see it like beard consumption weighed down.

The problem is it's poison.

Yeah.

But everything's wonderful. Lovely poison.

Yeah.

My favorite poison is wine. I love poison. Great glass.

Do we have a little, like, nice little red going on here?

Do we have any red wine here?

I want to know what you're drinking.

There's something. Yeah, there's at least some out there, for sure. Okay. Do you want some?

I mean, if you're gonna have a glass. I'll have a glass.

I'll have a little sip with it. I've gotta cut way back on my alcohol consumption.

Oh, really?

Yeah, Way, way back. I would go. Every time I'd go out to dinner, I'd have a drink or two.

Yeah.

Every time I'd go to the club, I'd have a drink or two. And then one day I sat down, I was like, that's like four days a week, five days a week. That's like a drink or two, five days a week. Like, how would you feel if you didn't have a drink or two five days a week? So I didn't have any drinks for, like, two weeks, and I feel a lot better.

Really. So am I breaking your, like, streak right now?

Yeah, you would be breaking my streak.

I don't want to fucking streak up.

Well, we don't have to drink it then, but actually, let's break it. I don't mind.

Yeah.

I think the key is, like, all things, it's all about moderation. But the reality of alcohol is it's basically poison.

Yeah. But it's got great social utility.

Oh, yeah.

I feel like people undermine the value of alcohol and how it ain't around.

For all these years because it sucks.

And, like, if you travel, you don't get to experience certain cultures in their truest form without them consuming alcohol.

Right.

Like, if you've gone to, like, Ireland, you go to Dublin. Like, during the day, there are very different people, and they seem kind of, like, tight and dour. And then at night at the pub, after, like, a few Guinness, it seems almost cliche, but everybody's singing and dancing and there's so much, like, love and connectivity. And you see why all this great, like, literature, music, and poetry just comes from this tiny little island. And you're like, oh, wow. You really need that. Like, it is a tough place to live, and you gotta stuff everything down and you need a release valve. Same thing with Russia. Like, when I was in Russia, seeing them on the drink, they're waiting on a drink, they're warmer. There's warmth in the culture.

Just explain it, though. On the drink, for real, we have fancy glasses.

Okay, what are you thinking?

Which one was one that you just touched? Grab that one where your hand is. That's what we're gonna decide. So 97 is a long time ago.

How do you. How do you, like, how do you find that balance where, like, you kind of need it?

Old ass wine, huh?

Yeah.

I don't know. Brought it. How do you find what balance?

Just, like, it allows people to access this part of themselves that they might feel is, like pushed down or.

The problem is if you use it too much, Right?

Yeah.

And it's also the problem is, like, I notice if I drink three or four nights in a week, I don't feel as good.

Yeah.

And when I don't drink at all for two weeks and I feel like, really good all the time, like, what am I retarded?

Why am I drinking?

Why would I drink?

Yeah.

Like, I don't need to drink to have a good time.

Yeah.

But you know, when you're at the bar or at the club rather, and everyone's being social and Tony's like, who wants a drink? Anybody want a drink? And they're like, hey, cheers. Yeah, it's just about discipline. It's just about like, if you feel like you're going off the rails, hit the brakes.

Yeah.

Settle down.

Yeah.

What are you doing? Yeah, you got it. But a lot of folks don't have any of that, unfortunately. And, you know, they. They'll be sober for a long time. And then one glass of chardonnay later, they're doing cocaine and headed to Vegas.

Now you can be alcohol. Who is Lex Friedman blowing rails on a private jet? Who does go and passes out? That's how drunk you are.

Oh, there's something so funny about people passed out. That's. It's the funniest shit ever.

Yeah. They've become children. They're babies. They're like infants, you know, it's just completely in control of their body.

Yeah. You're not even there. Hello. Look at you. Out cold. It's just a weird aspect to people that we have to shut off.

Yeah.

That's so weird. I was just watching this video about this guy who. He did a radio broadcast in Times Square where he stayed up for eight days.

Okay.

And this guy started having crazy hallucinations. He was having his REM sleep. His REM cycles in his brain were going off while he was awake. So he's living inside nightmares. Yeah, I'll send it to Jesus, Jamie. It's. It was crazy. I think Duncan sent it to me. It's. It's really.

They say that can induce insanity faster than anything, right?

Oh, for sure, dude. I mean, that.

That without a doubt, the sleep deprivation.

Yeah, sleep deprivation is really bad for you.

How many hours you get a night?

I try to get at least seven.

Oh, wow.

So, yeah, I get more.

But what if you come home late from the club? You're just.

When I do, if. If it's school days especially, I get up in the morning, I say goodbye, and then I'll maybe go back to sleep for an hour. So, like, I'll get up with them, you know, see them off, and then I'll go back to sleep for like one more hour.

Yeah.

Because I can. I can sleep on the ground, dude. I can go to sleep on rocks. I know how to pass out. So, like, I could go right back to sleep. And I'm good. But I like seven. But I can function on six. I had six last night. Yeah, I had to get up in the morning for a dentist appointment. But generally speaking, I'm looking for eight. Yeah, I like eight. Yeah, eight's where it's at.

I don't think I've had eight. I don't think I've had eight hours since I had a kid.

Oh, yeah. That I didn't either for a while. It takes a long time. And it's also like, your day is way more occupied. Oh, it's. It's a completely different, like.

Yeah.

You really realize how much your. Your actual time working on something is precious when you have children because, like, they just go to bed, you know. Okay, I got an hour to get time to get done.

Yep.

You know, you got one hour. You don't have an hour to flip through your phone, check out Tick Tock. You got an hour to get something done. Done.

Yeah.

And then you got to go to bed.

Yeah.

And then you got to get up in the morning. You got to get up early. You got to help with this, help with that. We're doing this, we're doing that. We're packing our stuff in here and. Okay, let's go there. And there's a thing after school, remember it's at 4:30. Don't be late. Okay. 4:30, and then you gotta zoom over from here and go to the. It's like your day is so occupied, but it makes you more disciplined.

It makes more discipline and it makes you feel more productive. Like, it's weird, like, even going out and like, say, having some drinks or whatever and waking up and feeling kind of shitty without, like, the kid. I kind of feel guilty. By halfway through the day, I'm like, what was I doing? Why the fuck did I go out party any day, but when I'M like up at 7 and I'm fucking tired. I'm hungover and I'm with my wife and taking care of the baby. By 12, I'm like, I'm a good fucking parent. Like I feel like this, I feel like a positive sensation in the place of this like guilt ridden one that I would used to feel maybe. And I think it's that immediate productivity, that purpose. There's this human being you love more than anything that is like deeply relying on you.

Yeah.

And yeah, I feel, I don't know.

It'S also the kind of love you have with them. It's just indescribable.

How old were you when you had your first?

40.

Yeah, so I'm, I'm 41, so I was. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's, it's, yeah, it's every cliche. It's amazing. You spend all this time as a, as a comedian, like thinking of unique or different angles and then you're presented with your child and like, like every feeling you have is the most cliched feeling that everybody has ever described in having a child.

Yeah. And then you don't mind when babies are crying on airplanes anymore, dude. It completely changes everything.

It, it is, it is adorable when they're crying on the airplane.

Yeah.

You want to like, you almost want to like help the mom.

Isn't that crazy how when you're a young man you're like, oh my God, a baby's crying. You like look for something to cover your ears with.

That's also a big city thing. I feel like, I feel like places.

That like country places where they're so.

Used to, where there's family dynamics and like that's rewarded. And I grew up in the city where it just wasn't that rewarded. And it's like a rare thing to even like be a kid in the city.

Well, especially you be your kid in the city and then you go from that to being a stand up comedian. So you're a nighttime nightclub guy. Like the whole baby crying like, oh Jesus. Yeah, it's like, woo. Some bad decision making going on over there. Yeah, yeah.

But it is. I wish that I would like us to change that a bit. I think that's the thing that's kind of missing in like this masculinity movement is fatherhood. Like I hear a lot of guys.

Talking about masculinity movement going on apparently.

On these pods that we do.

Is that what it is?

We're the manosphere, dude. This is where fucking men Hang out.

I think they consider us the manosphere, honestly. I think the manosphere is like, those pickup artist type dudes.

But that's the thing. None of those guys. Guys have kids or they talk about, like, what it is to be a man, and it's like, buddy, like, you're missing out on the most important part of the entire process.

Yeah.

Like, I want to hear the guys who have a bunch of kids telling me what it is to be a man.

Right.

Like, to me, that's way more valuable. And I feel like they're missing out on, like, the defining moment in a man's life.

Even have Alpha. There's like, a leader of the.

Oh, that's fire.

You know? So, like, they're. They're a leader of a movement. But what kind of movement you leading, bro? Yeah, what kind of movement you leading?

Yeah, it's. It is.

Yeah. You go to an island full of, and you could become.

There's gonna be somebody there.

Just find out who that head bitch is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those bitches are probably easier to lead.

Oh, yeah, for sure. They've been. That has been leading them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just.

It's like, I saw one CNN after the election. They were talking about us in specific, and they were talking about how there is this network of podcasts that are interconnected that has been financed like this. This huge corporate finance network.

Black rifle coffee.

It's like. It's so stupid. No, it's. It's actually just a bunch of friends, you idiots. We just happen to do each other's podcast, but they're, like, trying to sort it out, bro.

It's so funny when they support each other.

They go on each other's shows, and they're all in this together. Well, we need that on the left. Like, good luck.

Yeah.

You guys cancel each other if your fucking Ukraine flag is too small.

Yeah, six by six.

Yeah. You fucking talk shit about each other for not having trans kids. Yeah. You guys are out of your mind. You're not gonna. You're not gonna sync up together. You're. You're in a suicide cult.

Yeah. I think that was the results of the election. I don't think that they would like to believe this, but it was a rejection of what was happening. I think the assumption is everybody just loves Trump and he's just this populist, and every person that voted for him is like, I just love everything about this guy. But I actually think that a lot of people were just like, I don't like what's happening. Now.

Right.

And this current administration is saying that they don't want to change much that's happening now.

Right.

So I'm voting against that lack of change.

Right.

And I think it's important for them to realize that. Like, I talk about this a lot, especially with Charlotte on the pod, and it's just, like, you have to be reflective, like, what the people are telling you. Like, when that the mangione thing happened and the reaction by the people was to laugh at it.

Yeah. They were kind of pumped.

But you got to look at that, and you got to pay very close attention to what people are feeling. Don't tell them what they should feel, and, you know, better and, oh, we have to, you know, lead them to the water because they're too stupid to know how to find. No, no, no. They are disillusioned by the medical system, and if you don't meet them there, you're never gonna win, ever.

Yeah.

And I feel like that's, at least from talking to Trump. That was something that I got from him, is, like, it doesn't seem like it when you see him on the news and shit, but he's like an acute listener. Like, he listens to what people are saying, and he listens, more importantly, what they're feeling, and he can tap into those feelings. And I think that that's what people who've had a lot of success in politics were able to do. Barack did it. Bill Clinton did it. Probably maybe the best Bill might have been the best. His ability to communicate to people what they were feeling.

I know you feel pain.

I do feel pain.

Bill, I'm here for you.

You are?

I am.

I would love that. You know, it was.

I'm gonna be your leader.

Yeah, it was.

Yeah. It's.

You need to listen.

I think what Trump's done that's really brilliant is bringing people like Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Cash Patel, like, bring in those people, and you kind of really do get a chance to change things, like, legitimately change things.

But think about that decision. Right. It's like those people are all echoing sentiments that the majority of Americans feel. They. We do not trust the food. Here's the guy who says the food is bad.

Right.

Maybe we should put him in control of the food. Kind of like a simple thing.

Yeah.

Instead of going, well, this guy is the food doctor, and we're gonna hire the food doctor because he knows what food is good for you, and you guys should just shut up and listen. And I feel like there's a lot of this, like, top down on the left. And I'm not trying to just, like, bag on the left. I don't care really about that. Like, I don't even care about the politics. I care more about, like, where the. The cultural liquidity is. It's like, you can't talk down to people. There's this, like, Ivy League pretentiousness in the Democratic Party. I feel where they're like, we know better, and just, you must be stupid if you don't agree with us. And it's like, all right, well, I'm stupid.

I'm dumb.

I'm dumb then. So why doesn't somebody meet me where I'm stupid and start at least making me feel like I'm not an asshole for the way that I, you know, for my. I guess you could say political leanings now. Yeah. I feel like they need to meet. And it's a very simple thing. Make it a class issue, and I think they win. And say what you want about America, but I think it's better if we have two president or two people running for president that we're stoked about. And it's a really hard decision.

Oh, yeah, that would be wonderful. Yeah. That's not what we had. We had one group of people that legitimately wanted to change things, and then we're gonna see what happens if they do. But you're seeing weird stuff today that you never see before, which is like a real adjustment to the age of the intern. One of the things you're seeing is, I don't know if you saw the 22 different Congress people who were all saying the exact same line with the word shit in it.

What was the line?

So it's like. It's this speech. They're reading it verbatim. They're all reading it and doing it to a microphone as if it's a rant, but they're all doing from the same script. And the shit ain't right.

So this is.

The shit ain't right is the beginning of it. How when one in the history of the United States as a politician said shit.

Yeah. Yeah.

And not just one, but 22 of them in tape record. Can you pull it up? Just we can see it because it's so nuts. This is thinking all together. It's just like. They have it on screens as tiles, and they're all saying the same words. They have their own little flair they put on it. Yeah, look at this. Put your headphones on. This is bananas. Terrible. It's hard to Listen, it's okay. You won't be able. You can't really tell. It's like a crowd. But when they had three of them, when it was the first. First three was like, it was Chuck Schumer and someone else. Yeah, they. They're saying the exact. Oh, Elizabeth Warren and someone else. They all say they're saying the exact same words in the exact same subjects in the exact same order. You guys are all reading off a script and you're trying, by putting the word shit in there, to be authentic.

Well, shit ain't right to be specifically authentic. They're like, we need to speak to working class people, to the kids. And it is kind of like bigoted in a weird way where, like, it feels like they're almost in a think tank. Like, hey, listen, these poor dummies, they like it when you curse. So if you use a few curse words in your speech, they're gonna really relate to you.

Yeah.

And it's like, no, no, we. Somebody disruptive. We need somebody on the left that is. That might speak like that, but authentically speaks like that and is willing to disrupt even what's happening in the left. Because if you look at, like, what happened with the Trump and the movement, like, he disrupted the right. The right looks very different now than it did five, ten years ago. Right?

Definitely. So I want, like, like a maga Democrat.

Yeah, like, for real, like. And what is that? Like, what do we at the. At our baseline want? Right. We like abundance. Tell me how great America is going to be in your version of it.

You want to Bill Clinton talk that shit?

Like, come out talking shit. Bernie was talking shit. And I want you to come out. And if Trump can say we're going to take Greenland, there can be some den that goes, $1 eggs, and straight up says, we're going to subsidize.

How would you do that?

Subsidize corn, you subsidize dairy, you subsidize everything. Like, why can we not subsidize it, but say something that's actually going to impact people? Now, Trump's not going to take Greenland, so maybe you don't get the $1 eggs, but you get this messaging across that you're actually trying to help people. And you're gonna have to deal with those lobbies that are bankrolling you, and that might piss them the fuck off, but that's the disruption we need for you, for us to trust you.

You know what they really should do?

What's that?

They really should have a strategic plan. If we're spending three. What is it? $350 billion went to Ukraine. What was the number? What are they saying it was? I don't know what the number is. Some insane. Let's say just. Let's just be conservative and say 200 billion. Imagine if we spent $200 billion in the United States in all of the crime ridden cities of the country, just completely overhauling them.

All right, so here's my concern about that, is how much did they spend in California on homelessness?

24 billion.

And then like, nothing changed, right?

No, they got worse. Awesome.

So maybe we could spend 36 billion, you know, like, so there's also this idea, like the current administration in these places, even with an abundance of money is not going to make change. So you need somebody from inside, from the left to go, hey, these people are corrupt. On my team, we're going to root out that corruption, but we are going to take care of homelessness. We are going to make eggs cheaper. We are going to build fucking 10,000 affordable housing housing units so that the price of, you know, your rent can go way down. There has to be something disruptive. Instead of, hey, let's just go back to normal. Let's not ruffle any feathers.

Like, let's see what you're. I reject the idea, though, that progress can't be had just because people have been corrupt and they've abused money before. I feel like you could farm it off to private corporations the same way we did with Halliburton during the Iraq war. What did they do with Halliburton? Got no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq and they did it. They actually built all the power plants they didn't need. There's like a lot of waste and weird shit that went on over there. Yeah, you could do that with the inner cities, but you could have.

You're saying Halliburton did a good job.

No, I'm just saying, like, they actually did get paid to rebuild cities so you can get a private sector that would actually make money. It would become an industry instead of it being bureaucracy. So you see what I'm saying? Like, instead of it being something where it's like California, they're taking the homelessness where nothing gets done but money keeps pumping into it. No, the only way you get paid is based on results. So you have a contract with incentives based on results.

Yes, and that is the problem. There is no.

You have to lower crime. You have to lower crime. You have to lower juvenile detention rates. You have to improve education scores. You have to make food, healthy food, far more accessible. It would be very easy to open up enormous food pantries in the inner city and finance it. In comparison, the amount of money we spend on other countries doing transgender monkey studies, you know, or whatever the we do, because, you know, the stuff they do is nuts. Like $20 million to Sesame street in Iraq. It's bananas.

Yeah.

So just if you've got enough money for that, you've got enough money to set up food banks in every city. Yes. Where poor people can get nutritious food.

Yes.

Just sign on, have a driver's license, whatever the you need to get your food.

And what are the downstream effects of that? Like, you have way less health issues, which takes down the cost of health care. Yeah.

Also, people aren't desperate because you can actually always eat, you know, which is a real problem with some people in this country. Right. What's this about, Jamie? What are you pulling this up for? They didn't do very good job, apparently. Oh, well, I'm sure they probably. I said they did do corruption and there was some waste. Right. Because I was talking about these power plants they built. It didn't matter. But the point is, it was a business. So you got businesses involved and they. They went in and they got contracts to do things.

Yeah.

If you got contracts to re engineer these communities slowly over time.

Yeah.

You'd have to do it where it didn't shock the community. But slowly over time, unfortunately, you would have to ramp up the law enforcement because there's going to be resistance if you're going to go to the south side of Chicago and try to clean it up. You got gangs in there shooting each other every weekend. You got real fucking problems.

Have you. Have you.

But what's the alternative? Let that keep going on forever?

No, you can't.

So you have to rip the band aid off.

Have you heard of the guy? He's the president, I think, of El Salvador.

Oh, the guy who made all those. The camps.

I'm sure there's tons of. I'm sure there's tons of criticism. Right. 100%. But I think El Salvador has become like the safest country in Central and South America.

Yeah.

There's no criminals, they're all in jail. And I'm sure it's some like, there might even be like a little North Korea shit where it's like, yeah, you're not in the gang, but like your cousin is and you hang out with him and now you're in his prison and of course. But. But what they've done Is completely like, revolutionize the country. And if you ask the other people that are not gang affiliated at all, there's this, like, undying support. I think he has like a 91% support rating or whatever that is. And it's like, these people feel like they got their lives back now. I'm sure, as I'm saying, there's gonna be people going like, oh, these are civil rights violations. Yeah, yeah. You know what else is also a civil rights violation? When you're like, city is completely run by a gang and you're terrified to let your kid leave the house.

Yeah.

So, like, there is a version where having more punitive measures for people that are breaking the law will increase safety and the prosperity of the people in that region. Like, in order to get investment into the south side of Chicago, you need to make it safer. Starbucks is an opening if it's getting broken into every fucking week. So, yeah, it's. Yeah, I like that.

One of the first things you would finance is community center centers. You finance like a real great community rec center where kids, if their mom's working.

Yeah.

No one's there to take care of them. They got real good coaches there.

Yeah.

They got people that can set them up maybe for potential athletic scholarships. They're talented.

Yes.

It's great. Maybe you have people that teach you how to play music.

That's where I went when I was a kid, you know, I went to the Carmine street recreation center. That's where I played basketball. And it was this beautiful place, this amazing oasis where, like, not only are you getting to play friends, you know, meet friends and stuff like that, but I'm getting to compete. I'm getting to play against guys way better than me. And there are these. I mean, even as I say this right now, I'm like, I gotta like, donate money to, like. They created this place where there was a lot of kids in those programs. They might have ended up doing some fucked up shit, man. And they had a place where they could go. There was like a safe haven.

Yeah.

And look at us talking like some libs on this pod, man.

Well, I think we are liberal.

Of course we are. That's the biggest misconception of all of this, is that we don't want this place to be better, but there have to be certain changes.

Dude, I'm socially about as liberal as it gets. And I'm a firm believer in a social safety net, too. I'm a firm believer in welfare and food stamps. I just think there's a way to address the Root of the problem, which is people with no hope. And you gotta. The way to do that is you gotta give them hope. You have to make it safer for them to live where they live. You have to make it healthier for them to live where they live. Live. And then I don't think it would cost that much to provide guidance for a bunch of kids that want guidance. And if you have good, solid role models that know how to do that kind of stuff.

Yeah.

And they can all work together and build a program. And then what if those kids wind up being, like, really talented musicians or really talented athletes or whatever the fuck it is? What's happening at the Mothership classes?

Like. Like, what's. What's happening there? Like, I feel like you've created environment where it's like, these guys can make enough money to survive, which is a very hard thing to do as a fledgling comedian. Right. And some of these guys were door guys. They're starting to get spots around, even, like, some of my guys, you know, like, obviously Derek Poston is, like, making real money. Right. And learning how to flourish as a comedian instead of working 60 hours at a job and then doing comedy when he potentially can.

Right.

And you hopefully get to see this artistry grow. Like, I've watched Derek explode as a fucking comedian. Like, this guy's so fucking funny.

He's. He's so lovable.

It's.

He's so love. He's got a.

He's got a Don't tell coming out April 16th.

Nice.

He's a. And I've watched this fucking amazing. So everybody go check that out.

Nice.

But that's the type of environment that I imagine that you can curate now. You're very benevolent. Right. But you would hope that the government can create that same level of benevolence without leaking too much money.

Yeah. It just. It has to be done for the right reasons, the right way, with the right people. And that was what we pulled off at the Mothership because I was able to get everybody from California. But also, I knew that that was the formula because it was kind of like the heart and soul of the. It was like the people that were the coolest people that were running things over there. Bring them over here.

Yeah.

And it was just. The whole thing was so nuts, dude. It was like the universe wanted it to happen. Every light turned green right when we got to it. Every light turned. It just. None of it makes sense on paper. If you thought about, like, the idea behind dumping a ton of money in a club and your ultimate goal is to break even. Like, who the fuck. Who fucking does that? And then it also. You have to.

But that's government. Government shouldn't make money. The ultimate goal should be to break even.

Well, your ultimate goal shouldn't be. Everything is a money venture.

Right.

So the club is not a money venture.

Right.

The club is an artistic. It's like, I want it to be like a camp. Like, camp for comics.

Yeah.

Like, you go there, all your buddies are there. Everybody's having a good time. We're all trade. We were all. Last night, me and Shane Gillis were breaking down. Me and Shane Gillis did bottom of the barrel last night for an hour. Oh, stage for an hour. It was the most fun I've ever had doing it. We were crying. Good. Like, tears rolling down my face. Crying, laughing. And then we're hanging out in the green room. We're breaking down this bit, and we're coming up with new lines. This is like a laboratory. It's a hangout. We got, you know, Gary Clark Jr's playing on the stereo. Everybody's vibing, we're all laughing. Woody Harrelson's hanging out with us. We're all having such a good time, man. But it's like, that's what I wanted to build. I didn't want to build a business. I was. It wasn't like, well, if I do. If I sell drinks for X amount of money and then I charge this amount for a ticket and fuck the comedians over, I do the opposite. I pay the comedians way more than.

Everybody else pays and looks what happens.

But that's. That's just to try to facilitate this artist colony. I just want it to be a place where this is like, the mothership even has a name. Like, we came up with the Mothership because the first one was the asylum, because Mitzi Shore, God bless her, she always used to say, oh, the inmates are running the asylum. That was her thing. Whenever she would come to the store, she loved it, that we were crazy. She loved, like, you know, you know, Dom Barris, like, jumping around backstage and everybody was laughing and Joey Diaz is telling some crazy story. And then Mitzi would pull up, she'd get out of her car. All the inmates are running the assignment. And I was like, if we're gonna branch out, we should just call it the asylum, you know, I like mothership. The mothership was better because, first of all, asylum was already taken. There's, like, a couple of different asylum, so we couldn't have asylum. And then it was like, I'm so fascinated with UFOs. I'm so obsessed with that. Anyway, mothership is, like, the place where we all launch from. So when we go all throughout the rest of the country, you always come back to the mothership.

Yeah. There's a. Like, creating environments where. Where art flourishes is. So I did kill Tony the other day, and it's been a while since I've done, like, the whole show. I came out for msg.

That was fun.

That was incredible.

We had such a good time.

Oh, dude, it was great. Oh, your stupid jacket. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God, that jacket. I had to have it. I knew I wanted to wear a fur jacket.

Yeah.

I was like. I told Tony. I'm like, I'm getting a fur coat. I have to get a fur coat. I think I talked to you the day before. You're like, you getting a fur coat? I got it today.

You texted me something.

You're like, yeah.

They go wearing this. Yeah.

My boy Phil found this dude who's a private shopper, and he found the spot to go. He's like one of them celebrity shopper dudes.

Yeah.

And he found me the spot, so.

And I was on it. And so. And I'm watching the, like in the interviews. The interviews are really fun. Like, a lot of these comics are really green, and they're going in there and trying to find something, but, like, the interview portion, and I'm probably saying something that everybody already knows, but when I watch Killtown, I'm watching it in clip form. Right. So I'm seeing, like these, like, 60 seconds versions.

Right.

But what I thought was really interesting about the interviews is there's a real generosity with Tony. Right. He is. I don't know if even the comics realize this. Like, he's trying to get you to write your first good joke. He's asking you questions where you don't have to be funny, but they are funny because you're just speaking truthfully.

Right.

And it is generous. It's easy to just. Like, you could bang on every single one of the people that go up there.

Right.

But it's. That's not exactly what's happening. Sometimes, of course, people are going to get jokes, but there's this moment where, like, you get to watch some of these guys. Like, hopefully they're realizing they're like, oh, I am. Oh, that is a kind of funny thing about me. And that's like the first kernel of, like, where they'll write their first good joke.

Yeah.

And it's a really cool Thing to witness. And, yeah, there's a couple guys that went up, and, like, there's one guy, like, his joke sucked, but he had something. Like, I just kept watching him.

Yeah.

And I was like, you're gonna be good. Like, I hope you keep doing this, because you're gonna be good. Good. And, like, we started asking him questions, and he's this Mexican guy from San Antonio, and he works at, like, Office Depot. And there was something funny about, like, hold on. So, like, there was, like, something about, like, you know, he's selling, like, papers. And I was like, hold on. So there's, like, a Mexican guy. Like, people are asking for paper. Like, there's just, like. There's all these, like. Like, it seems like a setup, you know, so. But it was just really cool to see it happen. And, like, it reminded me of these early stages of comedy where. Where you're putting together these things that you think are funny and funny is kind of already existing in you. And, yeah, it was a cool aspect of the show that I'm sure the people that watch it and there's this massively successful show, so they're familiar, but maybe the people that don't watch it don't know about the show.

They just think Tony's just roasting people.

And it's a very generous thing to do.

Yeah, it is. Well, Tony loves comedy. Loves comedy to the point where he's always writing lines for people backstage. He's always, like, giving people tags, and he's always talking about, did you do that bit? Like, oh, I love that bit. Like, he's a super supportive.

Yeah.

With comedy. And he loves when the guys who do his show, like William Montgomery, when they start to flourish, they start killing it on the road. He loves that. He Fucking. He. He's actually put together a tour now. The Killers of Kill.

Tony, I've seen it. And they're doing, like, fucking theaters and they're killing.

These guys are good, man. Ari, Matty is.

I was talking to him yesterday, man.

He's smart, he's funny. He's super ambitious. He wants to be an American so bad.

He's a fun hang. He's got great perspective on stuff also, like, yeah, he.

He know he's an MMA fighter.

I. I remember seeing three times. Wow, wow, wow. Yeah, he's a big guy, too.

Yeah.

Yeah. But, like. Yeah, I remember, like, he even had a joke yesterday. I mean, whatever. It will come out, but, like, it was funny. Like, he tapped into something at the end of the bit that he did when he does the minute. And then in the interview, it really became the thing.

Right, right, right.

Because what you get to watch is like, he's like, he's a veteran comic. Like, he's probably been doing it 10 or 12 years.

Right.

So, like, you get into real comedian mode around 10, right?

Yeah.

And you got to witness live what we do backstage, which is like, yo, I like that idea. Why did you do this? And he said a line at the end of when we're just doing the interview that I think is gonna be what this joke builds out into. I don't wanna give it away. Obviously people go watch it. But to me, like, that part of the process is so fun.

Oh, yeah.

And it is. I don't know if people know this about us. Like, it is really fun to, like, work on someone else's bit. Like, there is. It's almost. There's almost like more freedom because you're less attached to it, you know, like, if you have something and you're like telling me the idea, like, I'm not. You have. You're attached, like a direction for it. And I'm just coming from all these other places and what if my tag bombs? It doesn't matter. You're the one going to do it. But it is this exciting thing when you have a colonel and yeah, this moment happened with it. And you could even see him go, oh, shit, that's.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the next level of it. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, they emerge, right? Those, the new chapters in your bits, your new paragraphs, they emerge. It's the best.

And for me, it's like, I need to talk to get it out. I'm not like a sit at home and like, I write the ideas. Like, I need to. I need to be like, yo, I got this idea and what do you think about this? And then you have to like, give me pushback on it. And then confronting that pushback is like where the bit develops for me.

Right, right.

And that's the beauty of, like, the audience not laughing.

Well, that's why you like New York City. When you moved to Miami, you were like, it's too nice down there.

It was like, life was beautiful. Everybody was caring about family and everything. And it was just so comfortable. And I was like, I didn't have any, like, resistance. I need.

That's so funny.

Like, I'm used to that chaos.

I need the opposite. Opposite?

What do you mean? Your whole life is resistance.

You're in the sauna with people. I don't want to deal with people's I got my own.

That's my ice bath.

Yeah, there it is.

I do 30 minutes on the sixth.

String, right, bro, we better have a bulletproof vest.

Yeah, yeah, the. Anyway, so what you were saying about, like, hope that it is interesting. And I see, like. Like, I see that for comics, especially here, there's this idea of, like, getting on the show and seeing a pathway to success.

It's a real pathway. It's a real pathway to a career. And you've seen many, many, many people go through it, like Cam Patterson, David Lucas. These guys all have careers now.

Yeah, he had a funny bit too.

Like, Cam's funny. Yeah, he's funny. I think there's a little bit of a hindrance in that one minute a week, because it's like you spend so much time working on that one minute that maybe you don't spend enough time tightening up.

So that's what I.

Whatever you have when you're on the road.

I was like, what? You give this minute out and it goes out to the whole comedy world? And I asked. That's what I was asking, Ari. I was like, can you still do those bits? Like, because some of these aren't finished. They're just the beginning of it.

Right, Right.

Don't let those go.

Like, right. Build on them. As long as you're building on them, as long as you got more to it and it's better now. I think people want it. I think also there's this understanding that those guys are on the come up and they're putting it all together. And I think there's a certain amount of times you do it where you gotta eventually leave. I say that, but then there's William Montgomery, who does it every fucking week. And William's got this style that even if his jokes suck, it's funny because they suck. Even because he gets angry. He gets angry at himself, he gets angry at the crowd, and then he gets funny, bro. Have you been seeing Brian Holtzman lately?

No.

No?

No.

Oh, my God.

He's the sweetest guy, by the way. Shout out Brian, man.

So different than his onstage monster, the onstage Brian Holtzman. He needs a name in a different thing. It's like there's a different human that comes out when he's on stage. You would think that he's a complete psychopath in real life.

And he's just the kindest, sweetest guy.

He's wonderful. I love him to death. He's all hugs and joy and smiles, and he's always helping people into a detriment. Like, one of the things about his show is we've had to, like, stop some of the people that he allows open for him, because it's people that haven't done comedy in forever and still know him. Like, you think I could do a set? Sure. Come on. And then they eat Dick for 10 minutes and the crowd gets tortured.

Yeah.

So Adam had to put the brakes on that, but. Yeah, but he himself is on fire.

Yeah.

On. Shane and I were crying, laughing, watching his set last night. I mean, crying, laughing.

Shane's so funny. He had the ox cord last night at Bitsy's. And, like, I didn't know who was putting on the music because it was just this, like, random collection of music. And then he. Then this Fetty Wap song comes on, right. And I want you to be mine again, baby. And I look over at the bar and I just see him kind of mouthing it. I want you this got the ox.

That's hilarious. He was locked in, bro. Yeah. We all have good green room soundtracks.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. We. That's a big thing. Yeah.

I don't think anybody would guess your green room room music. Like, if they walked into your green room and they heard the music playing, there's nobody that would go, oh, yeah, Joe picked this song. Nobody.

It might be one or two songs that pop up 90s.

Like deep cut rap.

Yeah, like, deep.

Like, KRS1 or something. Like.

Right, right. Coogee Rap and the Brand New Heavies. Yeah.

I remember the first time I came down here and it was, like, blasting, and I was like, yo, who the. Like, I'm looking around like, nobody's old enough to even know Cool G rap in this. In this green room room. And I just see you, like, pop again, getting ready to go on to just.

Yeah, man. Death Threat with Brand New Heavies is my favorite before I go on stage song. That's interesting.

I don't know.

I don't know. Oh, man. You don't know? You don't know that song? No, I don't think so. Oh, my God. So the Brand New Heavies and I found out about this song. I teared up when I was talking about Mitzi earlier.

Oh.

Still a little teary.

What? What were you thinking?

I just. Just heard her.

What was it?

Just her saying, you know, all the inmates running the asylum. It just makes me cry.

Why?

Because that lady was, like, all the. That I do at the club. Like, I learned how to do it from her. Yeah, like, you learn how to, like, facilitate comedy, like, to Help comedy grow. I learned it all from her.

Yeah, all of it. It's kind of cool how people exist through us, you know, like, obviously she's.

Passed, but that's why the bar's named Mitzi.

Yeah, but the effects live on.

I would have named the whole club Mitzi's if I didn't want to get sued by the family. I don't think they would have sued me, but no, they let me actually use the name for the bar. Yeah, but. And we have a picture, picture of Mitzi in the bar too.

What was your guys relationship like?

Well, I mean, she was still lucid when I met her. You know, I met her in 94 and she was like super supportive. Supportive. She just like, you know, she just knew what to do, man. Like, she knew how to set you up and if she liked you, she would put you on after murderers. Yeah, I had to follow Martin Lawrence in the main room for like, like weeks and weeks at a time. If Martin Lawrence was gonna headline, I was gonna go on after 94, 95.

Okay?

So you gotta understand Martin Lawrence. Lawrence. People forgot Martin Lawrence. Let me tell you right now. Go watch. You so crazy, Martin Lawrence.

Go watch Def Comedy Jam. The greatest host of Def Comedy Jam ever.

His timing, but his performances, when it's his hour, his timing, his energy, infectious. Oh, he was so good. He was so good. And I used to eat going on after him every night. And Mitzi, no matter who was there. Dice, Clay Rogan, you're on after Dice. It's like, whoever the fuck it is, I'm going on after after him. She just knew how to throw you to the wolves, man. She knew how to like show you that your act is.

There's. There's a couple guys, like a Tell did that for me in, in New York. Like, I would close the late show at the Cellar and a Tell would go up and then I would go up after him. And like, that will turn you into a man. You'll humble you.

It'll humble you.

You just realize when somebody's operating on like every single cylinder firing and. And you get up after it and you're like, oh, wow, I'm missing something. He has something that I don't have, and I need to find that shit. When you're going up in like the cushy spot, second or third, and you're killing, you think you're the funniest in the world. And then when you follow somebody that like, levels the room and the whole room is kind of unsure if he's Just, like, inventing these things in the moment. If these are bits, like, they just get caught up in this, like, tornado of creativity, and you gotta follow it and that shit. Following him, following Mike Bradley, grit falling, Greer, like, following these guys that are just. Just like masters. Yeah. It just turns you into a man.

That's why I started taking Joey on the road with me, because I couldn't follow him.

Really?

Yeah.

Yeah. You love hard. You love making your life difficult.

It's not even making your life difficult. It's realizing, like, you're trying to get. You're not as good as you're ever gonna get at this.

Right.

You have to get better. How do you get better? You have to be challenged. How do you get challenged? Know that you're gonna follow Joey Diaz every night, three nights in a row. Two shows on Friday, two shows on Saturday dates.

This is. This is. I feel like this is something that. There's a lot of importance to this. I don't know if comedians are doing this all the time, but, like, your openers that you take on the road with you, like, they should really be pressing you. They should set the tone of the show, and they're going to set the expectation of the show. I think sometimes people want to save the day. That's weak.

That's that same ass feeling. Like, I hope the guy after me bombs. Same bitch ass feeling.

Yeah.

I want the audience to have a great fucking time.

Yeah.

So I want everybody to kill.

I love when I get the message. Like. Or, like, tagged in a post on Instagram. It was like, all three of them were fucking great. And also, like, I understand what it means probably for them because I've been in maybe that situation where you're like, holy shit. Like, yeah, they're bringing me up with the show.

Right.

And they're in a tougher spot than me. You know, Derek going up, hosting. People are walking into an arena.

Yep.

So to kill that room, to, like, command attention while people are walking down an aisle.

Derek's a perfect guy for something like that. He's got so much energy, and he's so good at around and just. He's so good.

And Mark 2 is just fucking, like, crushing and, like, seeing them go up there and, like, really lay in.

Yeah.

Like, hearing it before I go up.

Yeah.

Like, that's. That's the fun thing. Like, I'll be locked in my room, but then when I come out, like, a few minutes before, just hearing them light up.

Yeah.

Yeah. You got to take strong guys, man.

Yeah. And it's the people have the weird fear of being eclipsed. That's the thing. It's fear of being eclipsed while you're opening act.

But you'll get better.

Get better.

You're good. Like, you're headlining. Like, you're clearly good at this. And it's gonna make you better when these guys bust your ass sometimes.

Yeah. Maybe you're not working as hard as you should be working. Maybe you're not at your best.

And nothing will make you work hard than being embarrassed.

Right. Also, I don't know how you operate, but for me, I'm funnier if I'm having fun. Fun. So if I'm hanging out with, you know, Ari and Duncan and Joey and we're all doing a show together, we are laughing our fucking asshole.

And that comes out on stage and you're loose and you're ready to get goofy.

And I'm laughing at Joey before I even go on stage. I'm sitting there laughing at his act before I get up there. So I go up there. I'm already in a great fucking mood.

Yeah.

And the audience feels like they didn't get robbed, you know? You didn't, like, throw some scrub up there for 20 minutes just to fill time? So you go look a superhero?

That's. Yeah, it's like they're paying money, man. I. I keep thinking about that. Like, all these people that come out to a show, it's not just the ticket price, right. It's the babysitter.

It's everything.

It's the Uber. It's the dinner. Like, this is an expensive night for them and they're looking forward to it.

You might only get one date night a week, especially if you have family.

I was in. I was in. Not Seattle. Like, what's the other one in Washington? It's not Tacoma. Something more inland. Forget there's a comedy club out there. Spokane. Spokane. This is years ago. And I did a show and like, a couple came up afterwards and they were like, this is our first night out in eight years.

Whoa.

And I think about that every single time before I go on stage.

That's a good thing to think about. That's a good thing to think about. Yeah. Like those people that are like, really? But you don't take things for granted anyway. You know, some. Some people get a little sloppy. You got a little loose and you take things for granted.

I. No, man.

We were talking about that on stage or in the green room the other night. Woody was backstage. Like, you guys get nervous. I'm like, I Get nervous for every show. If I don't get nervous, I don't do as good. I get nervous. I get nervous for everything important.

Yeah.

And every show's important.

Yeah.

Like, it's not important. Like my life depends on it, but it's important. Like it's important to me.

Yeah.

It's important to the audience. Like, I want to do it right.

Yeah.

So I want to figure out what I'm working on. I want to sit up. I'm like, I got to be loose with this because this is. This thing's still in development.

Yeah.

So let's around with that a little bit, but we're going to bring it back with this. And I'm going over my phone, I'm sitting back there before I go up there. I'm ready.

Yeah, you can.

If you don't do that, I don't think you ever. You achieve what you're trying to achieve.

Yeah. I feel like sometimes people, like, I don't know if they pretend to not care or maybe like they think not caring is cool.

Yeah, that's what it is.

Caring is. Caring is cool. Like, I really can. I work really hard and I. I think that you should work really hard. I want to make really great stuff I'm proud of and I don't want to just be like, oh, it's fucking gay to care. It's like, no, it's not gay to care. It's not gay to like, have people come out and spend a lot of money and then you just fucking flop on stage and I'll give a fuck.

Right.

It's care to, like, it's cool to like, try to give them the best possible show.

Yeah. You know, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool.

Yeah.

It just is a thing because you do care. So you try to pretend you don't because the cooler people don't care. Care. The cooler people could just bomb. I remember I watched Bill Hicks bomb once and I was so goddamn impressed.

Okay.

So I was so impressed. First of all, he was very funny, but the stuff that he was talking about was so out there. He went on. There was this comedian, very nice guy who went on before. Bill Hicks. Yeah. His thing was comic on a Harley. That was his name. Like, his thing. I forget. Larry something comic on a Harley. Nice guy. Funny guy. But he did like a lot of stuff about like, Bugs Bunny smoking weed. Like, real simple stuff, like. But it like, made people laugh. Cops and donuts. Like, like cliche shit, but good. Like and. And killed. And like just good enough for this blue collar crowd at Nick's Comedy Stop.

Yeah.

And then Bill Hicks goes on stage and he's smoking a cigarette and he's talking about, I came here to fill you up with ideas you couldn't possibly imagine on your own.

And then how did the Boston crowd take that?

Oh, they didn't take it good at all. He. He didn't just bomb. He cleared the room and he was doing this bit where Satan has sex with John Davidson, who was the host of that's Incredible. Like, Satan is fucking John Davidson and then impregnates him. And then he shits out. I forget who he shits out. Like, different people at different times. But he's like. He's sitting on a toilet on stage, pretending he's sitting on a toilet, grunting, like. And then he looks up in the middle. People are getting up in drozos. Yeah. This generally clears a room. That's right back to it. But I mean, never lost his timing, never lost his composition. And it wasn't that. It wasn't funny. It was. Me and Fitzsimmons were in the back of the room.

Me and Fitzsimmons were Greg from back in Boston.

Greg and I started a week apart from each other.

Get out of here.

We've been friends since we were like. I was 21. I think he was 22 or 23. Yeah, yeah. We've been friends from the very, very beginning. Yeah. So Greg and I were both open micrs at the time and we just knew that Hicks was coming. We wanted to watch. And we sat in the back of the room. We were crying, crying, laughing. So there was like 50 people left. 10 comics, 40 savages. Just thought this guy was genius.

Yeah.

And then the other 200 plus people, they all left. They all left.

200 is crazy to leave, bro.

It was a. It was a bloodbath. Like, half the crowd. More than half the crowd left.

Yeah.

No, it's like three quarters of the crowd.

That's a large percentage.

It was a large percentage. There wasn't much left. But Fitzsimmons and I fondly talk about that day. Like, he never lost his cool. He almost like he. I don't know when he knew he had pancreatic cancer because he died a few years later. But he kind of seemed like a guy that whatever the fear of bombing and whatever this thing of failure that wasn't on his mind, it didn't bother him.

Yeah. I was like, when you have limited time, that's.

I wonder if that's what it was. I Don't know if he knew already, but he was so calm up there.

Yeah. You know, but funny.

Very funny. But just he changed the way people wanted to do comedy because everybody after that wanted to be profound.

Yes.

Nobody wanted to be profound before that.

Yeah.

They just want to get big laughs.

Yeah.

Then all of a sudden, everybody wanted to be profound.

Yeah.

You know, it was interesting. Like he became like this poet.

Yeah. You know, you see trends like that pop up.

Oh, yeah.

Stylistically, people are so influential that, like, it changes the way people do their comedy. And it's tricky because, like, you can only be great at the thing you do. That's how I feel, at least about it. Like, yeah, if you are profound and then profound comedy is popular, then you will be really good at it. But if you're a silly goose.

Right.

It's not worth trying to be profound.

Right, right, right.

Because you being silly is going to be the best version of you. And the people will appreciate that the more most.

Also, you can't trick people.

They know. Even. Even if they're not aware of it. They know.

They know something's off. Yeah, something's off.

That's the. The honesty in it.

Yeah.

There's brutal honesty in it. Like we. And sometimes they'll even laugh, but they know that you're lying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, like, yeah, they know that it's not real. And like it exists for maybe 10, 15 minutes. But, like, I think it kind of gets exposed once you get into those hour long sets.

It can for sure.

You got to be. You got to be who you are, right?

Yeah. And it has to. Has to gel together with you. You have to be into what you're doing. If you're not into what you're doing, you can't say the same words with the same inflection without the same mindset. Like, if your mindset is off, they fucking know, man. It doesn't matter what your timing is. They know. They know you're not locked in. So they're not locked in. Like, how come you didn't bring me in? You know?

Yeah.

Like when someone's kill. Like last night when Holtzman was killing and me and Shane were like, we were locked into whatever this psychopath was talking about. He's talking about drowning people. I was like, he's so out of his mind. It was so funny. Yeah, it was so funny.

But you give him that.

You let him take your mind for a ride.

If it's real to them. I think that's the thing about Joey that I've always admired is like, it's pure, it's authentic. Like you can kind of get away with whatever you want if it's pure.

Yeah.

And when we know you're faking and, and, and you're doing something that makes me feel uncomfortable. Now I'm double uncomfortable.

Right.

I can be uncomfortable if it's real to you.

Yeah.

Like I can, I can sustain that. Like you might be talking about some shit that makes me feel a little weird, but it's real to you. So I go, okay, I'm going to rock with you on this. This is a pure version of, of your art. But yeah, you don't want to lie to people, man.

Yeah. Also if you do it, then you're stuck. Now that's how you do art. You lie to people. So you're always trying to like, concoct some new weird version of yourself. What's, what's, what's, what's gonna sell more. You're a pop music star now. Like, what do you. That's what you're like. You like doing pop music, comedy.

But there are. Yeah, there are people that like get attached to what works.

Yeah.

And they can't run away. They're like scared to run away from it. And I kind of empathy for it because it's like you probably struggle for so long, you find something that works and you're like, okay, finally I'm able to make some money. Finally I'm able to have some security. But you got to keep growing past it.

I think generally those people are self obsessed too, in a bad way. Where they think about themselves and success rather than the thing they're doing. Like, what is the thing I'm doing? Yeah, the thing I'm doing is I'm trying to create something that's good, that works. I'm trying to make it the best version of whatever the fuck it is.

Yeah.

So how do I do that? You can't be thinking about yourself and do that. That's why thieves can't write.

Yeah.

Because the mentality being a thief is I want that idea for myself.

Yeah.

It's not like I want to create.

You're not addictive to creating. Which is like the coolest part about this. We get to create whatever the fuck we want. And if you get to a point like, luckily, where you get a couple bucks in the bank, those creations should be even more specific to you.

Yeah.

Right. Because you're not doing it so you can buy another house. Right. Like you're doing it because you truly spent 20 years of your life trying to get good at something, and then you can create whatever the fuck you want.

And also, those. Those new things, those new things that pop out, out. They feel like gifts from the universe. Like a new bit that's a banger. It's like, where did this come from?

This came from the universe that exists before you. That's what I always try to say. Like, comedy is there, and then we stumble. Yeah.

You got to find you're not.

You're not making it. And when you're making it, it feels too contrived, but the comedy exists.

Bro, I got a pee so bad. Let's pause. Pause real quick.

Yeah, right.

Back and pee.

Are we back in?

Yeah, we're back, dog. We're back.

Yeah, comedy's great.

Comedy's the best job on earth for us. For us. You know, I was trying to talk Woody into doing it last night. I mean, because he was thinking about it, because apparently he had. I said, I will 100 help you. He goes, Would you really? I go, 100. I go, if you want to do comedy, I'll get you time. I'll work with you on material. I'll get guys to help you. I'll work with you. Look at this. You could totally do it. You could do that monolog on snl.

Yeah. You could do.

Do stand up. Yeah, you could do stand up.

Brave for that monolog.

Yeah.

This brave guy.

Yeah.

Because he has a lot to lose, perception wise. Like, maybe he doesn't care, but that's where like, bravery comes in. Like, when you got nothing to lose, it's like, yeah, you can kind of say whatever the you want. It doesn't really matter.

He's kind of grandfathered in.

Oh, really?

He's Woody Harrelson.

But you don't think it could affect him at all.

Like, his standard. But I don't think anymore. I think the world's kind of woken up the. The fact that, first of all, all, he's accurate. Like, you really can't attack what he's saying.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know? So, like, you don't think he should be saying it. Okay, well, that's kind of debatable. And that's on you. Yeah, I think you can say whatever the fuck he wants in that regard.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

Because it's like, at this point, it's like, who doesn't think he's accurate?

Yeah.

Like, you're in denial if you don't think he's accurate. This is a problem the Democrats have right now.

What's that.

Is that the Trump administration, what they're uncovering with Doge, like, all this weight and fraud and abuse, whatever. Whatever you want to categorize it as. And I'm sure there's a bunch of things that fall into different categories.

Yeah.

But the Democrats aren't acknowledging that it's problem at all. They're not saying, when you find this building in San Antonio that they spent $2 billion on it. It's completely empty, and it's getting, you know, a million dollars a month or whatever the fuck it's getting. And where's that money going? Yeah.

The tricky thing about this Doge thing is like. Like, I don't think there's any American out there that is supportive of waste, fraud, and corruption. It should be a bipartisan issue.

Right, Right.

Like, it's a very easy thing to get on board with.

Right.

And this is where I feel like. I feel like Elon's being a little antagonistic. I have a lot of respect for Elon, don't get me wrong. But, like, it's becoming easier to be a bipartisan issue. Issue in the way that it's communicated. Whereas, like, having that, like, political decorum, like, having that ability to pull everybody into this thing might be a little bit more effective on an issue that we can all get behind. There is no American that wants waste, fraud and corruption. I hate that this is becoming bipartisan. It drives me fucking crazy. Because on the surface, nobody wants the waste.

Right.

Like both Democrats should be. This shouldn't be. They shouldn't be booing or whatever the fuck was happening at that, like, hearing last night, even hearing. He was, like, addressing the Senate.

Right.

This shouldn't be. It should be everybody going, hey, we agree. This is fucked up. This is happening in some of our regions or whatever it is, like, where you're responsible for those constituents. What's that called? Your. If you're a congressman, your district, your district, we need to be better about this. We need to fix this. We got to take this on the chin and we agree. And it could be this great revolution in America that could really support everybody and it's become this fucking bipartisan issue. And I understand there's a lot of currency and making the opposition look radioactive. I get that. But this is where you wish that there was some sort of masterful communication version of this instead of a little bit more of this putting the knife in and twisting it a little.

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree on both sides. I think people are really foolish spending all their time just Attacking the ideas of the other party instead of promoting really good ideas of your own.

Amen.

And the thing about this whole Doge thing is it's such a lightning rod. And one of the reasons why it's such a lightning rod is because these politicians are being pressured to try to keep a lot of the spending, because a lot of the spending is. It's all shenanigans. It's moving around thousands of different NGOs, and you're talking about billions and billions and billions of dollars that were going somewhere. So people were profiting, people were. People had jobs, and they want to keep all those jobs. They want to keep that money flowing in, even the bullshit money, as much as they can. So there's fucking court orders and there's lawsuits, and this Supreme Court just stopped a 1.9 billion dollar freeze on something or something that just came up. It was today. So there's like legal battles about all this, this stuff. You're going to have a lot of confusion in that regard. But I think it's important. One of the things they're doing is they're highlighting the ridiculous things. Like they're highlighting the $250 million on transgender animal studies. Yeah, 4.7 trillion. That they can't account for.

The way that he was saying it. Did you watch it? I mean, it's hilarious. I did. Oh, you got to watch him talk about it.

I'm sure it's amazing. And Will. I will watch. I just didn't have. I was busy last night. But it's like there's. There's also a way to. To really clearly express to people that there's legitimate use for aid. And this isn't really US Aid, it's United States Agency for International Development. If you're worried about foreign aid, I fully, completely agree. We should spend money in third world countries building wells. We should spend money trying to get food to poor people.

And that's not what this program.

Right. That's not what this is about. And if it's about, like, this is exercise, health care for people and providing free clinics for people in impoverished areas, yeah, we should spend on that. But also, that's not where this money's going. A lot of this is regime overthrowing money. This is regime change money. A lot of this is like money that's being propped up. They're sending money to the Taliban every fucking week.

Right.

Like, this is crazy. Like, you have to understand what this resource really is. So what we have to do, I think as Americans is, look, you got a President. He's your president whether you like it or not. That's your president for four years. Let's hope he does a great job.

Yeah.

Wouldn't you want him to do the great job? He's the captain of the ship, and I want to hit the rocks. Let's hope he gets us into a beautiful harbor.

Absolutely.

So together. That doesn't mean the Democrats can't win in four years, but you can't win doing this. You can't win all saying this shit ain't right. And then all of you say the exact same thing. Well, now I know. Know who's on the take. Now I know who's got the script. Now I know who doesn't have a mind of their own. You have to read the script that whatever corporate daddy filed onto your desk.

It's think tank politics.

They need a real leader, and those real leaders are all hounds. And they're all gonna. That's a problem. They all got skeletons.

Yeah. It's gotta come from outside. Yeah. I wonder. Like.

Or they gotta be a guy like Trump who could take the hits.

That's. And.

And. And keep on trucking.

You need to have, like, a very strong constitution to do that.

I don't understand his constitution.

What do you mean? You go through the same.

Yeah, but his is beyond. They shot him, dude. Yeah.

They haven't shot you yet.

Not only do they shoot him yet, not only form.

Inside. That's the problem.

That's part of the problem.

Yeah.

But not only did they shoot him, but people forgot about it in two weeks.

Yeah. And moving right along, he didn't get shot enough. Like, people were talking about his ear. They're like, oh, but it doesn't look that shot.

And it's like there's so many people that think that he rigged it, that he did it on purpose, that he staged it.

Yeah, he staged like a bullet coming, nicking his ear.

Like, they don't understand accuracy.

Come on.

Especially with iron sights. You know, he didn't even have a scope on the rifle.

So iron.

Do you know what iron sights are? Okay, so, like, say if you have a pistol.

Yeah.

And the back of the pistol. Pistol where the handle is. Yeah.

Oh, the little thing that you're supposed to look through. Yeah.

Then there's a little post in the front. And you line the two of them up like that.

Yeah.

And shooting 140 yards with iron sights. Like, you can't just nick someone's ear.

Yeah.

You'll hit their head. You'll blow their brains out accidentally.

How much you have to account for gravity at that distance.

You don't. That's really short. There's a short distance. That's why you can like put the post on it. If you wanted to go long distance, then you would want to scope. You want a high powered scope. And you would also use ballistic software. So ballistic software is like. You would apply like there's like a watch that has it built in actually the Garmin tactics x tactics 8 rather. So you. You would take this ballistic software, you calculate the distance. So there's a. You would use a range finder. The rate which he had, by the way, he had a fucking. He was walking around with a rangefinder before the. They saw him with a range finder. They didn't even realize him. Somebody let him on that roof, they fucking gave him that gun. That's what I think. The range finder would say 500 yards. So then you would set your sight.

For 500 yards and then adjust accordingly when you're right. Yeah.

So your application. With some scopes, you can actually sync up your scope with your app. So it'll put the reticle, it'll put the crosshairs exactly where you need to aim for the bullet to drop. Exactly, exactly.

That makes sense.

So the reticle does the. The X would move up and down accordingly. Yeah, exactly.

But at that distance, you're saying that there isn't too much.

No, there's no. And he's also elevated. It's a straight shot. It's a pretty fair. I mean, maybe a very slight drop because it's only like a millisecond before it hits him. It's a very slight drop at that. But when you get to like significant distances, like 400 yards, 500 yards, it's a factor.

Yeah.

Like you hold high. Like say if you have. So if you're zeroed. Say if I'm shooting a deer and my rifle zeroed at 100 yards, that means at 100 yards it shoots exactly where that crosshairs is. But. But the deer is 300 yards a hold of the top of his back.

Because you know that's gonna come down.

I know it's gonna drop.

This is with bows or this is with.

No, this with a rifle.

And then with bows. I imagine it's even more with bows.

It's. You have to be very, very sure because there's so much drop. Drop. There's so much drop. Yeah, yeah, there's so much drop. Like I have a range finder that's not just a Range finder. It's called a full draw. So loopholed full draw 5. And what it does is it doesn't just put the reticle and tell me the exact distance. Since I'm not aiming with this, this is just giving me the distance. But it also shows me a line where the peak of the arrow height is. Because the arrow arcs, right?

Yeah.

So what I'm doing is I'm shooting through trees. Sometimes, like, I'm trying to shoot an animal and I'm shooting through a gap in the trees.

So you have to make sure that on the drop, it passes through that gap in the tree.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. Like you should. Like, there's a video of me hunting with Cam. We're hunting in Utah, and it was for Under Armor back when he was with Under Armor and I had to shoot this elk through trees. I shot it through like, it's a video. You can see the arrow go right through this. It's probably the most beautiful shots I've ever made.

Yeah.

And I made it on camera because I was kind of freaking out. I gotta hunt on camera. Like, hunting is a big thing for a celebrity to be doing. You're hunting, but you're also gonna hunt on camera. And you're gonna hunt on camera with a bow and arrow.

Yeah.

So I was like, super locked. Yeah. And it was just. It was perfect. Perfect. It was just magical how that arrow went right through this gap.

Yeah.

Just thread the needle and right in the heart. It was perfect. It was perfect shot, like, exactly where you want. Right behind the shoulder, right up here. It was like double lungs in the top of the heart.

And then you got to carry that.

Yeah. Well, you got to chop it up first. You're not carrying it.

That's the thing. That's the thing that, like, I never accounted for. I was watching. I don't know if it was some video you posted or maybe it was cancer Cam. But like, I always thought about the hunting part. Like, okay, let's find it, let's track it, let's shoot it. But I never thought about getting home with all the meat.

Oh, yeah, man, that seems so. It's very hard. And what. What we do is way easier than what some guys do. Some guys do public land, solo backpack elk hunting.

So they're throwing the shit in the backpack.

They have a pack. So they'll take like, a pack. Like, great. Pack is like Exo Mountain gear. It's a great company that makes packs. And they have different frames based on your height. It's all Made to. So you can carry a lot of weight on your body. A lot of it sits on your hips.

Yeah.

And it's all like, oh, displace the weight.

So you're not just geniusly.

And if you pull up like exo mountain gear backpacks, like they have specific packs that are designed so you can carry £100 on your back.

Right.

Like as comfortably as you can. But it's fucking brutal. So these guys might hike in. I'm not no bullshit.

Right?

So that's what it looks like. So see all these packs? So get the picture of those guys when they have it on their back. Jamie, the one above that? Yeah, that one right there. So that's what it would look like for two dudes who are carrying their whole camp on their back. So they probably have their tent in there, they have their sleeping bag in there. There. They have food in there for a week. Like you got freeze dried food. Generally speaking, guys bring like mountain. Like. Yeah, there's a bunch of different meals. Like mountain ops or not that, not mountain Ops. Like there's a bunch of different companies. So like this is a guy like carrying an elk quarter on his back that probably has £100 on his back right now because he has his bag and his pack, which is probably 50 pounds. And then he has a giant ass elk leg on his back.

All right, so is there ever like a distance that they deem too far? Because walking back with the elk, it wouldn't be worth it. So like I imagine you're tracking for a while. It's not like you just walk in and there are all the elks. Right? You have to find them.

Yeah, but you get lucky and find them a couple of miles in and that's, that's pretty nice.

But is there a point where you go, I'm not going more than five because five back carrying the elk would be too difficult.

Yeah, some guys do that. But some guys are hard core. Like they'll kill an elk 25 miles in and spend three days bringing it back.

So. And now you have elk carcass. You have all the other animals that also.

You gotta string it up in a tree. You string it up in a tree.

Got it. So getting it, it's like, oh, what is that? Old man in the sea. Is that the book where like he gets the. He finally hunts and gets this big fish, but he's gotta bring it back. And by the time he brings it back, it's just like a skeleton. Nobody believes he got this amazing big fish. But like I Can't. Like you don't ever think about the journey back. Yeah, that seems almost more stressful.

Well, the best way to do it, the backcountry, if you have the money, is horse. Horses. They have horses take you back there and the horses will pat. Or mules.

Yeah. So you can pack them up.

Yeah. They'll keep your camp on their back.

Yeah.

Right. And you'll have like several, like a train of them. And then you could load them up with like elk quarters and take them back. And for them it ain't shit.

It's thousands of pounds, right? Like.

Well, it's not really. How much is an elk? It's about 400 pounds of meat.

Oh, because you're leaving the bones and everything you leave in it. You cut it up. Yeah, but you gotta take some of the bones. Like you want a rib, Right? Like there's. If you could have the ribs.

Most guys, like, most guys cut the rib meat out. Out of the ribs and you grind it, make hamburger or, you know, chili out of it or things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cam, he. He like makes strips and then chops those strips up. Like you can. There's a lot of different things you could do with. With rib meat. It's pretty tender. It's good. It's real good. When you cook them like slow over a fire though, it's like, it's like it's not the most tender meat. Like when slow over. When you cook them over a fire, it can get pretty tough unless you do it like real low and slow. Like smoking it. Almost like they would do barbecue.

Yeah.

But it makes great hamburger. But like the real. The, the. The. What everybody really loves is like the back strap. That's that, that's like essentially that'd be like the filet, right. Tenderloin and then the quarters. You make great steak and you can make.

What do these guys do when they age out of this? Like what is.

Yeah, you try not to keep working out.

But like, like an NBA player eventually reaches the end of his professional playing ability. He might play in a gym. But like what, what does a Cam do it like 75.

Well, he'll still be bow hunting at 75.

But hunt a different thing.

No, no, he'll be doing the same thing.

There's physical limitations.

I imagine there are, but not as much anymore. Not because hormone replacement, weightlifting. You, you know, like guys like me didn't exist 30 years ago. Like 57 year old Jack dudes. Yeah, they didn't exist.

Yeah.

By the time you get 57. All that shit's gone.

Yeah.

And all that goes away. I still have 30 year old arms. They're still legit. They were, they were real good. Everything works real good. But you have to, you know, maintain yourself, take care of yourself and if there's something like that that you care about, you know, like, I have a friend, Brendan Burns, he runs Kuyu, it's like a huge outdoor clothing company. He's a hardcore bow hunter.

Yeah.

One of the best bow hunters in the world. Was a big time college wrestler. Like a great athlete.

Yeah.

Won't even try jiu jitsu because he doesn't want to hurt himself for hunting, like, hunting. He's like, I'm not skiing, I'm not around that.

I feel like that's my whole workout regimen is just so play this sport called paddle. It's not pickleball, it's called paddle.

What is this? What is this?

It's a racket sport that I'm absolutely obsessed with. I swear to God. It started in Acapulco, Mexico, and then it goes to Spain and it gets blown up there. And it's essentially like squash and tennis mixed together. So there's, there's, there's walls. There's like this glass wall in the back and these like fences on the side.

Have you heard of this, Jamie?

Yeah.

Played with them.

Yeah, we played. I've dragged them out, bro. It is, it is the most, most obsessed. It's the fastest growing sport in the world right now. It will take over tennis.

Spokesperson for Paddle.

I probably am the only person that is talking about at this level. This is me. Yeah. This is, this is Shout Out Paddle House in New York. They got one in Williamsburg and one in Brooklyn.

And this is the game.

This is the game. I'm so playing with tennis ball. So you play with a deflated tennis ball. So what essentially what it is, you got to show highlights because I'm so horrible that it's not going to do it justice. But the idea behind it is, is, at least for me, is there's always hope. So the ball gets past you in tennis, you're cooked. The ball gets past you in paddle, it bounces off that back wall and you're playing it off the back wall. So you're never fully out of the game and you're constantly. It's. It is the only thing outside of like surfing and boxing and then comedy where I'm not. Look at this. What it is.

That guy went out the door.

Oh, you're allowed to leave and go get it? Yeah. I mean, it's just. Dude, I was down in Miami. There's a thing called the Reserve Cup. Shout out. Reserve.

How do I not know about this?

This is the. I'm telling you, this will extend my life by. God bless. 10, 20 years.

Really?

Also, you got to watch the chicks play because they don't have the power to smack it out. So it's just pure skill and cleverness. Yeah, exactly. Everything is placement. It's delicate placement. So what they're trying to do is. I'm telling you, it's unbelievable. And everybody that's playing tennis and squash and all these other racket sports is starting to convert to this.

Really?

Yes.

Tennis.

Everybody from tennis is coming over now. I'm talking the professionals. I'm talking about, like, people that played, like, in college or whatever.

Really?

And now they're starting to come over to this, like, Miami, they're obsessed. In Europe, they're completely obsessed. Like, you go to, like, Sweden, there's, like, thousands, like, all, like, Cristiano Ronaldo and all the soccer guys are all playing it. They own the facilities.

How the fuck am I just finding out about this?

You guys got one here. What's it called? They just built one.

Paddle Club Austin or something?

Something like that. But it's. It's just. It is. I'm upset.

It's just never ending.

Dude, I take lessons.

This guy just ran outside the arena. Yeah, that is crazy.

But the fact that there's hope, the fact is, like, it's not just brute strength. There's that little guy that was playing on the right. Right there. Chingotto is. This guy's, like, 5 foot 3, and he's so skilled. And since it's not. He's not in this court. But that. That guy Tapia is the best in the world.

You know, all the players.

I'm obsessed with this in the way that you're obsessed with Jiu Jitsu, I believe.

I'm just finding out I got to.

Play with some of these guys.

Really?

And they toy with me. Like, they'll just bring me up to the net on drop shots and then bring me back to the end, and I'm just running around like a little bitch. But it's like, these guys, to me are like Michael Jordan or like LeBron James. Like, I get, like, giddy around them. I'm so excited. And, like, I'm telling you, I'm taking lessons once a week. Shout out. My boy Lucho in New York, the best fucking instructor on the planet right now. He works at Paddle house is incredible.

Wow. You're taking lessons.

I'm playing or four times a week. It's like, everything. Yeah, it's just my whole workout regimen is built around making sure that my shoulder is okay so I can play. Entire dedication to this. The only thing I've been obsessed, like, with this about is stand up comedy.

Wow.

It's the only thing. And I have no racket sport background. I never played tennis growing up. Like, I grew up in the city, went to public school.

Look fun, dude.

It's. Look at. And look at it.

Run outside.

It's just.

That's so crazy that you run outside. That is.

The point isn't over. You know what I mean? There's always hope. Like, and that's the beauty of, like, you're like, a really competitive person when you play against someone who's got more strength than you. Even, like, when I would, like, box and shit like that, like, somebody who was just bad, like, he was, eventually, if they can connect, it's over. And, like, even in this, in power, you can mitigate their power. You can move them around the court. There are guys that are way better than me at tennis, squash, and all these other things, but strategically, in this game, if you don't hit it out, I got a chance. Chance.

Wow.

And it just.

You should do commentary. Dude, I was telling the guys.

I literally told the guys. Dude, I was telling Wayne, who. Who owns Reserve Man Shout Out Wayne. And I was like, I know you have your guys doing it, but, like, dude, I am obsessed with this. Like, Joe is with. With. With the UFC and mma. Like, you don't need to pay me. Like, I just want to talk about the sport. Like, I want to build this thing up. How do we build this thing up? And I literally thought about you like.

This before I get excited.

I. Dude, it drives my wife crazy. Like, I go to fucking brunch on a Sunday, and me and my boy Jason are just talking about our paddle games this week. No, dude, it's. My boy Jason just hit me up and he's like, listen, I know you got the special and everything going out, but my calf is feeling better, so we got a game Wednesday. And I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready. I.

That's crazy.

It's just the coolest thing.

Wow.

I know you don't fuck with team sports, but this is looks fun.

It definitely looks fun.

It's great. It's great.

Yeah.

Jamie's a little sneaky athlete.

Oh, Jamie's a good basketball Player.

But even Jamie sink threes. Yeah, he's sneaky. We had a little fun.

See him play golf. He's a. With the drive. He's got that simulator in the back.

Oh, in your house?

What's the furthest here? Right here. We have it in the garage. What's the furthest you ever whacked one of those on that? I don't know. Far. 300 yards, whatever.

Oh, wow. You're like a little legit, dude.

His swing is legit. You should have seen Brian Cowan trying to swing after Jamie. It was comical because I'm behind him talking mad. I just beat Jamie, bro.

The. The. The joy that must have come to you watching Jamie smoke calendar.

Oh, it was so much fun. It was so much fun.

Anyway. Yeah. I'm so obsessed with it.

Like, that's incredible.

Even now. Like, just the idea that paddle was spoken about on the Rogan podcast is just crazy.

How about you told me about it? I never even knew it was a thing. If someone brought it up to me, I'd be like, that's. That's not real, dude.

It is real. And these guys are starting to make money now. Like, the pro. The top guys are starting to make, like, you know, decent amount of money.

That looks like ESPN for sure. Like, that looks like.

Oh, look, I had Kamaru there.

Oh, doesn't Kamaru have really up knees? Don't ruin his knees, bro.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been. And. But he played pickleball because he's down there in Miami.

But these are so up.

Yeah, it's. It's.

I hope that if. If stem cell technology advances, if they, you know, the FDA finally allows people to have the same kind of stem cells in America that they do in Colombia and Mexico.

Norway. Or is it Sweden? Where's like, the. Where's like, the other place that they do it? I don't know if you want to get some bougie. If you want the white cell themselves. I mean, it's like Norway that they're harvesting them.

Well, the places that I know of are. The big one is the CPI in Tijuana. That's one of the best in the world.

Okay.

And that place is. They have a partnership with the ufc. They send a lot of the athletes.

Oh, really?

And there's another place in Colombia, Bio Accelerator.

There's an island in the Caribbean that they do it, too, that they, like, bring a. They bring the. They, like, fly in the medical office, essentially for the week or two week periods.

Oh, okay. Yeah.

And then they have, like, Stem cells that have been harvested in some place. And my neighbor. My neighbor did that. So I forget which island it is, but.

Well, there's Panama, too. Neil Reed Reardon. Dr. Neil Reardon, who's really. He's written so many books and papers on the biology.

Have you done the stem cells?

I've done a shitload of them.

And. And what is the, like, immediate impact?

Oh, it heals soft tissue way better than anything else that I've ever used before.

So, like, what, for example, what injury did you have that you felt the.

I've talked about it before. I apologize if you've heard this before, people. I had a rotator cuff tear, a full length rotator cuff tear. And went to a doctor, went to the UFC's doctor. They sent me to orthopedic surgeon. He looks at my mri. He can't believe I can do anything. He says, I can't believe you can do anything with this shoulder. Like, this is. You have a full length rotator cuff tear. But he does all this stuff with me, like, push down, push up. And he goes, like, you're pretty functional. He goes, I think it's probably because you have a lot of muscle around the joint because you're going to need surgery. He goes, you could try to rehab it, but you're going to need. Need surgery. I go, really gonna need surgery? He goes, yeah. I go, am I ruining my shoulder by not having surgery? He's like, potentially. He's like, you know, try your best rehab. Put it off as much as you want, but you're gonna need surgery. So then I go to Dr. Roddy McGee in Vegas, and this was years ago. He's doing stem cells with the UFC athletes.

He's a bunch of different people. He's like, well, we could try it. And I think the stem cells I got, them actually aren't even available anymore because they were too good. So they inject it in my shoulder, and then after a couple weeks, it feels pretty good. And then I rehab it. I'm doing, like, bands and all sorts of different stuff. I get it to the point where it starts feeling good. I start light, like light kettlebells, feeling pretty good. I go back to him. Six months later, he does an mri. He says, this is the most astounding thing I've ever seen in all my years of being an orthopedic surgeon. He goes, that tear is gone. Like, you just wrote this full length rotator cuff tear that was going to need surgery. Surgery doesn't exist anymore. Like, when I say, like, My shoulder is better. I mean, it doesn't bother me at all. Like, at all. I do everything. I hit the bag. I do kettlebells with 70 pounds. I do swings and curls and cleans and presses. Zero pain. Not a one thing. Like, man, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. It, like, feels 100% off.

No, normal.

Yeah.

And all stem cells. Like, I should. I could have got cut with a sling.

And then you're done.

Didn't do any of that.

There's a. I have a shoulder. A little bit of shoulder issue, actually. I'm curious if the stem cells.

100%. I'll bring you to ways to. Well, that's in Austin.

Yeah.

Listen, man, they've. They've healed so many people that I'm friends with, so many guys.

Like, minimal scapular movement. I think that was the issue. So I was making up for the fact that my scapula doesn't move that much with just stretching out the muscles around, around it. Does that make sense? So, like, you're. I guess that the scapula is this bone here.

The scapula, is that the one that kind of, like, hangs off? Yeah.

And, like, that's supposed to move up with your arm when you extend it. And it was staying there, but I was still moving my arm. So I'm stretching all, I guess, the muscles or tendons or whatever.

What had happened to your scapula that made it freeze like that?

I don't know. Like, some. I was told that I might have, like, a small tear in the rotator cuff.

Like, do you hang. Do you ever hang from your hands?

I mean, I would do. I do, like, pull ups as part of my exercise routine when I'm doing any other.

Pull ups are great exercise, but hanging is great for shoulder health. So what I do every day for at least a minute, usually more. I usually do a couple of sets of hangs before I do anything. I'll do my warm ups with pushups and bodyweight squats. And then what I do is I chalk up my hands and I grab ahold of the bar and I just hang and I just try. And I feel my back popping. Like, it decompresses your back because your spine, like the weight of your hips and your legs, is pulling on your spine for the first time. Normally, life is pushing down on you. Gravity.

Yeah.

Weight of your body's pushing.

Wow. And now you're using gravity to pull it all out.

Yes. So I do that. I hang that way, and then I also do that. Dex, we have a machine out there. Teeter. The company that makes those things where you hang by your ankles.

Yeah, I've seen it.

They have a great one where you. It's called the Dex. I like it better than the ankle one where you. You hinge at the hip, hips, and you fall forward, and then you just. It's basically like your lower body and your hips are carrying, like, locking your weight in place, and you're leaning forward, so the full weight of your upper body is decompressing your back. And I'll feel it going, like, pop, pop, pop. I'll feel like little pops in my back. And I stretch it and I move on that thing. And it's all just about keeping the. The spine pliable and keeping the range of motion in your spine, but also in your shoulder. Shoulder joints.

Yeah.

It's one of the best things for shoulder joints is to just hang. And I'll hang with one arm. Sometimes I'll hang with both arms.

Yeah.

But I'm just, like, letting it all stretch out. So it stretches all your. Your. The mobility of your shoulders and creates space in there, allows everything to move freer. And then I'll do my chin ups. So I do my sets of chin ups.

So that's your stretch, essentially.

Yes.

Okay. Maybe I have to add that in. Yeah.

I also stretch on a bar, where I grab the bar and I turn like this, and I get it like that, and I get like a deep stretch that way, and I get a deep stretch the other way, and I'll.

Do that on my back on the ground.

You should also do these things called. It's called crossover symmetry, is these bands and they have varying resistance, like different colors or different strength resistance. You don't even need a lot of resistance. The whole idea is just you're working the tendons and all the connective tissue, and it's just doing all these, like, different shoulder exercises. And so they cross. Like, one is attached to a post over here, and the other one's here. So I'm doing these, doing these, and I'm doing. I'm pinning them against my arm, and I'm doing it like that, where I'm just working the rotator cuff muscles and just. Just to keep everything.

You're creating the torque on the joint.

Yeah.

Whereas, like, when you're lifting weights, you can kind of manipulate what part of your body is lifting.

You can. And that's how you get injured sometimes, too.

Yeah, that's. I got to do the. Because that's my biggest concern right now is. I mean, you Know, to bring it back to your friend is, how do I play?

That's so crazy.

Like, everything I do, I do PT twice a week. Shout out my boy, Mike Helgeson. He's fucking great.

PT twice a week.

Yeah. It's like, I'm lifting, but I'm with a guy who is a pt, so if there is an issue, we can.

Oh, I see. I see.

But he'll just take me through weightlifting if I'm feeling good, and if I'm not, then we're doing some work.

And have you been able to increase the mobility of your shadow dude?

Yes. And my shoulder was fucked before, and he brought it back. Him and this guy Kyle were like, don't do surgery. Like, they. They were like, once you do surgery, you're fucked. And so let's try to work this thing out by building muscle around it, getting mobility into the joint, and they brought the shoulder back.

This was before I ever had one thing real clear. That's not always true. I know a lot of people that have had successful shoulder surgery, and in some cases, that's the only thing you can do to save yourself. Yeah, there's, like, Yuri Prochazka, the UFC former light heavyweight champion. His shoulder was blocked, blown apart. They had to put it back together again. Yeah, they had to.

And so incredibly effective.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Damn. I mean, that Jamal Hill fight.

Unbelievable.

Holy.

Unbelievable.

Holy.

Yeah.

So for a situation like that, shoulder surgery was necessary. His was torn apart. Yeah, you can't just heal that with stem cells, but there are things you can heal with stem cells, and it definitely helps soft tissue injuries in a way like nothing else I've ever used. Yeah, yeah, It's. It's. It's literally legit. And Brigham Bueller, who's the CEO of waste, well, he's worked so hard, on edge. He's been on this podcast a bunch of times and Tucker's podcast, a bunch of podcasts, just talking about all these different methods that are available that are being stifled by the fda.

And that's the thing is, like, once you get something that you're addicted to, longevity exercise or regimens or whatever it is, are very easy to do because you're not really doing them. So you can live to a hundred. You're like, how do I play this thing next week?

Right.

And all the motivation comes from it. It's really simple. Like, I actually can't wait to go do the pt, whatever it is, because I'm like, okay, I have a game Wednesday, and I want to be good to play it sounds ridiculous. I'm 41, I'm not going pro at this thing, but I love it so much that I would literally, I'm looking up the BPC157. I'm like, do I need. Yeah, the wolverine that they say, right? And it's like, do I get that so I can recover faster?

Yeah, get that.

Is it. Have you tried that?

It's legit. Super legit.

I recommend it to a buddy with no research. I was like, you should do this. And then a couple weeks later, he's like, I'm on it. And I was like, did you look up. I'm not a doctor or anything.

But.

But he said he did it for his. He, he got an ACL surgery and his doctor, he asked about it and his doctor goes, I take it.

Well, that's a good doctor. Because I've had friends where I tell them about their doctors. Oh, you shouldn't do that. There's no studies, which. Hold on.

That's the thing. I feel like there's like old guard guys that are a hesitant to use some of the, maybe newer technology. And I'm sure they have their reasons. I don't know more than them about the science, but there are these new technologies that can maybe extend our playing age. Again, I don't need to be a pro, but I love this thing and I want to do it as much as I can. I want to get as good as I possibly can. Yeah, it feels good to be getting better at something at this age.

Well, let me tell you something. There's a reason why USADA didn't let people use it in the ufc. And now drug free sport also doesn't let people use it in the ufc. It's because it works.

Wait a minute, why would they not. Wouldn't it be advantageous for the athletes.

To be able to recover? Exactly. It's really stupid, but the idea is that it's performance enhancing because it lets you heal quicker. So heal from injuries quicker, potentially heal from recovering from training quicker.

And what would their argument. I mean, the only argument I've heard is like an increased.

Well, the idea is keep everybody on a completely level playing field. How do you do that? No one's able to take anything. You can't take any performance enhancing or.

Make it accessible to all athletes.

Well, I think that's the right way to do it, but the problem is that. Okay, what peptides are we talking about? What about things like hcg, which radically increase testosterone production? Are you allowed to do that? Okay. Because if you're allowed to do that. Like what level is that?

Steroids only recovery. I think any recovery drug, like obviously there's risk to all this. Like you increase cell growth and if you have cancer, God forbid in your body, those cells are gonna grow as.

Well, right, Doctor, there's an argument for that. But, but I think the real argument is like what's causing cancer, right? The real argument is like eliminating environmental toxins and the issues. Also there's people that have genetic predispositions to cancer, unfortunately. But the real reality about cancer is unfortunately what you take into your body has a significant effect. Your diet has a significant effect, exercise has a significant effect. And also do you participate in any recovery activities, like social sauna, which is huge. They did a study out of Finland. Again, I apologize if you've heard this before. It was a 20 year study. They found people used sauna for four days a week, had a 40% decrease in all cause mortality. All cause meaning heart attack, stroke, cancer, you name it. Yeah, 40% decrease just because of the effects of sauna.

How do they, how do they test that? Like where's the, what is the term? The something group? Like the group.

Well, this is what they did. They did this control group randomized control trial, right? So they did this study where they took these people and sauna use in Finland is everywhere. Everybody uses a sauna. And so they did it based on these questionnaires. Do you do the sauna once a week? Do you sauna twice a week? What temperature do you do the sauna and how long do you do it for? And they determined that the people that did the sauna four times a week for 20 minutes at 175 degrees had a 40% decrease in all cause mortality. Now when you drop the number of sessions, you also drop the all cause mortality, survival.

Got it?

So like it's like 20% at once a week, you know, 30%. So it's like that measurable differences is in the amount of people that were healthy and robust who did it four times a week.

Yeah, I mean that's interesting because the easiest way to discredit would be like, well, yeah, the people that do saunas want to increase their life. But what you're saying is there's an increased amount of assistance if you do it more.

Right. The benefits are legitimate, real, measurable. It's hermetic stress, it's heat shock proteins your body produces to deal with the fact that you're essentially dying. Like you can't stay. Like I do it at 196. You can't stay there very long. I do 25 minutes at 196.

Have you ever passed out in it?

No.

Okay. Is that a thing people do? Like get out the smelling salsa?

I stay awake? No. You could though. Yeah. I mean if you are the type of person who passes out, you've got issues.

Yeah, Yeah.

I think some people pass out just from stress. Yet I watched a kid black out the other night. One of these school things that my kid had to go to.

Really?

Some boy fainted on stage.

Wow.

Yeah. Sometimes people just, sometimes they just. Your brought your brain goes too much. Check please.

I've seen like I've not passed out but like I was having like breathing issues. I didn't understand what the it was. And like my wife and I were trying to get pregnant. It was like really difficult because my sperm started sucks and I would have like. I guess it was stress related. I didn't know what the fuck it was. Like I went to a doctor and I was like, I feel like I can't catch my breath. And I started doing these like it's like a Navy SEAL breathing technique or whatever.

Box breathing.

Box breathing, yeah. And I would try to do that. I mean it was so weird. It wouldn't affect me on stage because once I'm on stage I'm like locked into the performance. And that's how I knew it was all psychological. But like when I was off stage, there were times where I'd be at the cellar and I have to leave the cellar. And there's this Little park on 6th Avenue that's like not even really a park, but there's like benches and I would just sit there and I would just box breathe by myself, trying to get a full breath. And I go to this doctor and I was like, what the is it? And it was a stress induced asphyxiation or something like that.

Wow.

And I was just so, like what.

Was so stressful to you?

I could, we couldn't get pregnant. Like I found out my sperm.

So is that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And like that's where HCG comes in actually. Because that's one of those peptides that actually increases your sperm production.

Yeah, well my, I. My sperm wasn't swimming. That was the issue.

Gotta get those in the pool. That helps too. That's supposed to be good for your nuts, bro. I hear I hit a few worst, apparently.

Well, that's. They said heat and cold. I like hit up Huberman. I was like, yeah, what should I do? And he's like, all right, take these pills. Pills. And then the doctors even tell me, they're like. They're like, take these pills. And then also, you got lazy jizz, bro. Dude, I got the laziest, bro. It's. No, you just wait for it. I. I gotta take the pills. They're like, don't drink. I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna drink those. Don't smoke. Okay? I'm not gonna smoke. They go wear baggy underwear, and they're like, ice your balls once a day.

Holla.

So I do that for a month, I go get. Or two months, I go get my sperm tested again. It got worse.

Really?

Yeah. And they're like, we haven't even fucking seen this. And. Yeah. So, like, we had to do IVF and everything. That's what the special is about. Like, it's just this story of us trying to.

There was a study, I think it was out of Japan, and what they were doing was they're getting people to cold plunge before exercise. So you cold plunge for three minutes and then you exercise, and you force your body to heat up while you're working out. Massive increase in testosterone to the point where this one guy, he had. He got his prostate levels checked, and his doctor was like, this is. This is concerning. Yeah, like, we wanna do this, we wanna do that. We wanna put you on this and put you on that. And the guy says, you know, there's. This is an article that's available online. This one guy tried this. He goes, okay, well, let me find out what's available online. Yeah, so he. He finds out cold plunging does it. And then. So this is the thing Japanese cold plunge study, often referenced, discussed about cold. Immersing the wrist in cold water before exercise significantly increased testosterone levels in young Japanese men compared to immersing it after exercise, which suppressed testosterone levels, highlighting the importance of timing when using cold stimulation for potential hormonal benefits. So what this guy did was he plunged, not just the wrist, and then went to the doctor months later, and the doctor thought he was on hormones.

The doctor's like, you have 1100 testosterone. This is crazy. Like, what's going on? And he tells him, I've been cold plunging before. I lift weights. And the doctor's like, well, keep fucking doing that. Doing that. Yeah. And so I know a lot. I do that now.

Really?

Yeah. I know a lot of people that do that now. This is how they start their workout. My workout starts with a cold plunge.

So my issue wasn't even the tea. They were like, yeah, Your T levels are good.

It's just the swimmers.

It was the swimmers and then they were like shaped weird. Like, I mean, it's just like, bro.

Yeah, it was, bro.

No, dude, it was. I mean, it was too funny. I, I told the guy. I mean, this is, I, I don't even do this in the special anything, but like, I, I, they were like, they're, the shape is a little off or whatever. And I was. Because you're so defensive, I go, well, maybe when they hit the cup so hard. Yeah. I'm still trying to, like, I got an ego about it. I'm like, bro, you should have seen the way they. It's a car crash over here.

It's coming in at 400 psi.

But it was, it was crazy. Once, once we got pregnant, it went away and it was like, immediately went away.

Wow.

I could breathe again. And it wasn't this feeling. I couldn't breathe. It was about catching a full breath. You know when you're like running and at the end of your, you're doing like a hard cardio intensive exercise. This idea, like, you can't get to 100% in your lungs. And I never had experience in my life. Like, I can, I can work pretty hard. Like, I, I feel like maybe that's a competitive advantage of mine. Like, I might not be the most skilled in certain things, but, like, I can, I can go, like, I have a good motor. I can fucking push it. And it was the first time in my life where like a psychological issue affected my body physically. I didn't even know that that was possible.

And I know that that's having a lot of people. I know that got canceled. People that got canceled where they were just overwhelmed, where they didn't, couldn't breathe and they didn't think that they could make it. They were like, I can't do this. Oh.

Because they were going through that.

They were going through it. Like, in the heart of it.

Yeah.

Like, you gotta call up, check up on them.

Yeah.

Make sure they're okay. I remember Tony when I, I remember the fork in the road. I remember the, the curve I was driving on when I was talking on the phone to Tony when he was going through his first one.

Yeah.

And he's like, I just said, this is not good, man. I'm not doing good. And I'm like, man. And there's like. That was the moment where I was like, please don't kill yourself.

Oh, wow.

You're gonna get better.

Yeah.

You're gonna be fine. Do not. I I didn't say that.

But that's what you're thinking.

That's what I was thinking. And I remember being in my car going, ooh. Like, hearing him on the phone. We were on speaker, microphone. I was like, man, well, yeah, you.

Dedicate your entire life to one thing, but it's also.

It's just, like, feeling like it's over. Everything's over. Your career's over, your life is over. As, you know, one stupid thing, and now it's over forever. And just. You can't breathe. Yeah, you can't breathe.

Yeah.

And, you know, Tony's tough. He's resilient. He got through it pretty quick, and he was back, and then, you know, a couple weeks later, he was laughing about it. Yeah. But some people, it. You know, they get wrecked and they're not the same ever again.

I think that does happen to people. And then there's a different version of them afterwards because they don't want to experience that again. It is. It is weird. Like, I'm not as affected by that kind of stuff now. Maybe I haven't gone through on that level, but. And I also think there's something about having a kid. Like, I just care less about the. Like, I care very. The very few people, I care what they think about me. It's, like, really liberating in a lot of ways, you know?

Right.

But. But yeah, there was something about, like. Like, are we not gonna be able to get pregnant? And then, like, feeling you feel horrible, I also. You start, like, going, why would God not want me to have a kid? Like, did I do something bad? Like, you start thinking, like, if there's some sort of karmic reason for that shit. Also, before I knew it was me, I don't want to share it with anybody. It's really isolating because I thought it was my wife. Like, everybody always thinks it's the woman who's got a fucking problem with their eggs or whatever.

And that's such a dude thing.

Not. That's what we think, because we don't know it could be us. When did you ever. Like, every time I looked at my. Couldn't be me.

Look at the amount of fucking jizz. I'm pretty.

I'm killing it, right? Like, killing it literally. So. And then. And then you think about it. And I will say this, though. Like. Like finding out that it was me and being able to. I felt more comfortable talking about on stage because now I'm not talking about this incredibly embarrassing thing to this woman who does not want to be an entertain it at all. Like the most private person net about me. I was like, oh, I can talk about this a little bit. And being able to talk about on stage. And I would talk about on stage and like, there'd be these dudes that would come up to me after shows and they wouldn't admit they were going through it, but they'd be like, yo, that was really funny, bro. Like, yeah, you should keep talking about that. And then I, I would like talk about on tour and I get these DMs and like, all these people would start telling me that they're going through ivf. And like, even close friends start to be like, yo, actually that's how we got pregnant. And I didn't realize, realize it was this like almost like last taboo thing where there's this incredible isolation because you don't want to feel the judgment.

There's always pressure to obviously have a family. You don't feel like you're the person that's like stopping that. But I didn't realize and I'm 40, so a lot of older people are probably going through this. Maybe young people are not. But like everybody in my immediate circle going through this shit.

Let me ask you this, like, first of all, when did Ivy IVF become available to people? And how many people a year do you think use ivf? And if they didn't, how many less people would there be on earth?

Brother, brother, brother. This is like, there were three things when I talked to Trump that I wanted to ask him about specifically, and one of them was securing ivf. Because I know a lot of people who are against abortion also look at IVF and like, okay, you're throwing out embryos, you're killing people or potential people, and they want to use the anti abortion argument to get rid of ivf.

And really, is that a thing?

Yeah, of course it's happening now. And what Trump said on the pod.

Who'S trying to ban that?

I guess we could look that up. I think that it was in. There's a few states that it was.

Happening in that seems insane.

Yeah.

Why would you not want more people?

Well, they look at it as killing people because life starts at conception and the embryo is essentially concept which, like, I understand your logic, I don't disagree with the logic behind that. But at the same time, that is the way that the only way some people can get pregnant.

And I will give it Senate Republicans block IVF bills, Democrats elevate issue ahead of November election.

But what I'll say is Trump Said that they're going to back it with the full power of the Republican Party and that anybody that goes against it, that they would campaign against. And then he even signed that executive order to expand it. He wants to expand access to it.

Oh, that's great.

Which is fucking yes. Incredible.

For people that want to be parents, man. I know quite a people. Few people like yourself, they want to be parents so bad, and that gave them the ability, and now they're so happy.

And it's the most incredible thing in the world.

Yeah. And if they don't do that, guess what. There's no babies. It's like, more life will occur if you have. If you allow this.

Also, we got to deal with the downstream. Like, I'm sure some of this shit is probably. It might. Me. It just might be genetic. I don't fucking know. But maybe it's microplastics. All of my balls. Maybe it's my phone. Like, there's a lot of things that are not in our control that are negatively impacting us. And then to restrict our ability to have a family. I feel like it's kind of unfair. You, like, bestowed this thing upon me. It has affected our ability or some woman's ability.

I wonder if it's, like, more prevalent, the issue or the necessity of it with people that live in cities.

Oh, dude. Every time a car breaks.

Yeah.

The amount of microplastics that go into the world are way more than using, like, a plastic bottle to drink out of.

Yeah. Break dust.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's particulates.

Absolutely.

That's the. That you wipe off your wheels when you clean your car. That stuff's in the air. You never wash your car?

Nope.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah. I mean, I didn't have a car until, like, a year ago.

What do you got now? Got anything good?

No, nothing. Well, I got a fun one. I got a really. I got a Suzuki Samurai. It's the coolest car on the planet.

Those are fun.

They're so cool. It was. Yeah.

That's a good car to park in the city, too. You don't give a. What happens to that thing.

Well, I got it out in the Hamptons, but. Yeah.

What year is it?

It's 87.

That's such a piece of.

Oh, it's a piece of. But it is, like. It's also just so fun. Like, I don't. I'm not trying to compete with you on, like, having, like, a fancy car, whatever like that. I just love how rugged. I don't care.

Turn you on some.

You you know the good like.

Yeah, you got to learn. You got to learn the appreciation of cars.

I got my. Yeah, it is. Oh, there the boys.

Look at that. Look at the boys. That thing's fun. Oh yeah. Cute little car.

Is it? Adorable.

I wouldn't take that thing around the block.

But wait, you're saying you wouldn't get in that car with.

Trust it.

With six.

I'd go with you guys.

With six guys?

Yeah. I'd go with you guys.

Shouldn't that be on the COVID of every gay magazine?

It should be. I be like, if you take this pill, this is what you'll have. You'll have fun with your friends on the beach with a Suzuki Samurai.

It's so much fun. And the reliable as. That's the thing about them.

Every Japanese car. Yes, they're the best.

That's the thing about Japanese culture is that like it's refinement culture. So like I feel like they're. Anytime I said, there's this Japanese DJ I saw, his name is a Yosuki Yukimatsu, okay. He had like brain cancer and then like he thought he was going to die. So he was like, it, I'm going to be a dj with the time I got left and it went into remission, but he basically quit his construction job. He just did this boiler room set. And it is just like I could be like putting this energy on it because I want to believe it or whatever, but the intensity of it is this is my shot and I'm going to be unrelenting, right? And the second I saw that he's Japanese, maybe this my like, this is the guy.

Look at him go.

But can you like, can you look at this motherfucker? The. A Japanese person being a dj before I even listen to the set, I was like, oh, this is going to be the best set I've ever heard. Because they would never put themselves out there and do it half assed. Like every 30 year old model in America is like, I'll be a DJ now. But in Japan the culture is so like, don't bring shame upon your family. Don't bring attention to yourself unless you are the greatest.

Do you know the term kaizen? Do you know what that means?

No, what is that?

Kaizen is a Japanese term for taking a thing and continuing to refine it until it reaches perfection. So Japanese first of all, like supercars were always Italian. It was always, you know, German, Porsche, Ferrari, that kind of shit. And then Nissan created a car that destroyed everybody.

What was it?

The gtr. So the Nissan gtr, they've essentially been making the same exact car, just, just refining it for like 20 years. I have a 2024 Nissan GTR Nismo, which is their race package. One which is the most refined version of the GTR they've ever. And it's a marvel of engineering and refinement. Yeah, that car is magical. Yeah, it's just glued to the road. You ever seen one?

No. Show me.

Pull up a blank black Nissan 2024 GTR Nismo.

But culture they can't put out. It's shameful to put out.

Right.

And I feel like they've. They're almost like done refining their culture and now they're tapping into other things. Like.

That's what it looks like.

Oh, wow. Yeah, it looks like a spaceship. What's the.

That's not. That's a. That's a Nismo 300. That's mine.

It looks.

That's my car.

What is that? Nissan z was a Z300 or something like that. This came out when I was.

Yeah, 340Z. There's a bunch of those. But that's the. That's the gtr. Yeah, that thing. It's just, it's just, it's just you're on a ride, you're riding a ride everywhere. Whirs and clinks and clunks. Yeah, it's so fun. That's a different one. That's a 300Z. A 370Z. That's pretty sick too, though. That looks good. But there's like a whole culture of taking these things. Like, there's guys that make these things, they jack them up to 2000 horsepower and they spit fire out of the back of them.

But they do it with pizza. Like the best pizza I've ever had and I'm from New York City is in Tokyo.

Really, the best pizza you've ever had.

Ever had is in Tokyo. I forget the name of the place. But it. My wife and I were in Tokyo and. But it's. It was. The best steak I've ever had is in Tokyo.

Really?

And it, it's something about like doing something half ass. I think is shameful. And there's this great honor in like this refinement process. Now, there is a social cost to that. There's a rigidity, meaning, like it's very. Here's a perfect example. Like the oldest hotel in the world, I think, is this hotel in Japan. It's like starting in 703 year 703.

Whoa.

And it's.

Oh, I'VE seen that. Yeah, yeah.

And it's been owned by the Same family for 52 generations.

Right.

Which is, like, an unbelievable feat when you think about, like, American families or British families that, like, have gotten rich and then three generations they've squandered at all, like, really successful families have. It's all been destroyed. And there is this thing in, I think, Japanese culture, which is like, there's this great honor in taking on the tradition of your family. The cost of that is there was probably a comedian or a chef or somebody that, in that line that didn't do the thing that they really were passionate about to honor their family. But the societal benefit is probably the majority of people don't have those dreams. And having purpose in this job is probably better for them. And I think there's a middle ground where you can still go dream and do these things. But also, we have some respect for being a cobbler. When your dad was a cobbler and his dad was a cobbler. I feel like we've lost that a little bit in, like, American dream culture, where it's like, if you don't go out and achieve your craziest dream, some people don't have that dream. But taking over their dad's business is something that they can feel good about and honor instead of like, oh, yeah, so I just took over the family business.

Well, doing a good job at anything, there's a lot of value in that for everybody. If you love making shoes and you become a cobbler and you make awesome shoes and you got like, Andrew shows up, bro, those shoes are sick. I love them. I want another pair, but could you make them in crocodile? Yeah. Oh, let's go.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's exciting. Like, making things and having relationships with the people you sell them to. That's super rewarding. We do chase that big dream over in America and make it seem like everybody has to have it. But the dream of making cabinets that are awesome is a pretty fucking cool dream.

Beautiful.

Yeah. The dream of being a painter is a pretty cool dream. Like, there's a lot of dreams that don't get the value added to them because of fame. Like, we have this weird thing about fame above all in this country.

Fame above all. Like, moms. Being a mom isn't really value valued.

Like, oh, yeah.

It's a real. I think it's a real problem. I. I think that. And it's not all places, like, I'm sure there are places that are more, like, family oriented where like. Like, being a mom is an Honored, respected thing a lot out here, man. I love that.

Yeah.

Like I'm in New York. It's not that.

Right. Nor is it in la. In la, a lot of the moms have jobs too. They have careers. They don't want to abandon their career.

They might shame those moms that decide to stay home and take care of their kids when. Yeah, I don't think that that's. It would be great if there was less rigidity and there was a lot of honor in that and there was something we really respected. Because I know in New York, even my wife, like, my wife is like, you know, she got her fucking mba, she was working for Apple and AI projects. And then she goes, that's my dream, to be a mom. And I feel societal scrutiny about it, but I don't fucking care because I want to be a mom.

You know who really gets the scrutiny? Stay at home dads.

That shit is gay. You trying to limp pill me, Joe? What the.

I wanted to see where you would go with it. I fed you one of them little racquetball balls. The paddle, Paddle ball.

Yeah, yeah.

I fed you one of those half filled tennis balls and you shoved it down my throat.

But yeah, that is the weird thing.

It's like, I know as well as a male you feel a real strong pull to be a provider.

We do.

Feels very important. Yeah. As you become a father and you raise children, it really gets instilled on you. Like, I always had a really good work ethic, but becoming a father made me have a much stronger work ethic. Like, there's no I. If I was a single man with no responsibilities, who knows if I would work as hard? Who knows if I would take days off or I'd off. I'd. If my friends are like, hey, you know, let's go bow hunting in Argentina. Like, yeah, I'll take the day off it.

The biggest lie about having kids is that you won't be able to provide for them. I think a lot of people go, oh, I just need to get my life ready to do. It's like, no, no, no. That's going to put a battery in your back. Like you wouldn't believe it.

Hopefully. It's very sad when it doesn't. I've met men.

Most people shouldn't have kids.

Yeah, I've met men where they just, they keep doing the same thing even after they have children. And you're like, oh my God, dude, you can't do this.

Did they want to have them?

Who knows? You know, who knows? What if people want or if they think they want and then they have and then they don't change? You know, Louis CK said something really cool once to me. He's like, when you have children, it's like you just got to let it change you. Just let it change you. Yeah, yeah. Don't hold on to who you think you are and what you think your identity is. Just let it, let it transform you. Adjust. Because everybody adjusts. The mom adjust. Now it's not your girlfriend anymore. It's not your wife anymore. Now it's a mother. She has a child. She made a human being in her body and it's very vulnerable and she loves it more than anything in this world.

Anything.

And it's this crazy experience that if you don't have and you're on the outside, outside you look at it as like, oh, that responsibility. Oh, fuck that. Oh, you're tied down. Oh, you got kids now. But it's, it's another level of understanding what life really is because it's this constant cycle of new people entering into the world. And eventually you will leave this world.

Yep.

And hopefully you will leave this world better because you were here.

Amen.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah. It's the coolest thing that's ever happened to me and absolutely has transformed me.

I was super excited when you become a dad, man, because I knew you, you're all in on everything you do, you know, so you'd be all in on being a dad too, which is so important. It's just so important. Like it's so weird that you're making a life. A human being comes into this world that didn't exist before you and your wife had sex. And now there's a human being that's talking to you and you're teaching them stuff. They learn things. You get to see them laugh and giggle and you get to see them open up Christmas presents and screech at excitement. Excitement. Oh my God. All the happiness that you get from other things just doesn't compare.

Pales in comparison.

Yeah, it's a different happiness. It's a totally different happiness. And it's also, it's like an understanding of life itself. I've talked about this before, but I changed the way I think about people.

You told me this.

I think about everybody as a baby. Now everybody's a baby that became a 60 year old man with big old wino nose. You know when they get those big crazy fucking gin blossom faces like priests.

Yep.

And you know, I realized like, oh, this is Just this is this entity at this stage of its journey. But it used to be a baby. They used to be someone's cute little baby boy with a little. Little bow tie on. Everybody thought it was so cute, Took a picture of him. Now here he is, bad breath and farting. Big old potbelly, hating life. Smoking pall malls.

Yeah. He had a lot of hope at one point.

That was a baby. Yeah. And you know what, what, what is. You have a lot of hope, but, like, what is the impediment to you achieving a fulfilled life? And so many people don't even know where to start or where to begin, what to do or what, what, what, which way to go.

Yeah.

And if you haven't been trusting your instincts in your life and you haven't been taking chances, then all of a sudden you have to take one at like 35. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's hard.

Yeah.

That's a muscle you build, like endurance, you know, you build the muscle of being able to take chances. Chances and. And do difficult things. Yeah, you build that like all other muscles, all other strengths and virtues that you have.

Yeah.

It's reinforced with use.

Yeah. Every risk you take that is successful, you get a little bit more confidence in taking those risks.

Also, you understand what's required to make this venture successful. You'd have to look at it correctly. You can't be delusional. You have to be objective and you have to do what actually needs to be done.

Yeah.

And some people don't like that responsibility. The responsibility of life. Yeah. And so they've sabotaged themselves. They sabotage their life because it's easier to fail because you're used to it.

Yeah.

So you fall right back into it. I'll pick myself back up again. But right now I'm on the heroin again for a little bit.

Yeah. That is the cool thing about. Well, yeah, I mean, failure is not an option once you have a kid. No, you have to figure it out.

Yeah, you have to figure it out. Also, you want the world to be a safer place because you have very vulnerable little people.

Yeah. You relate. It's a. You, you just become like a real human being. It's. It's interesting when I hear people that don't have kids kind of complain about the world, and I'm like, oh, you actually don't really understand how high the stakes get.

Right.

Like, the way that I relate to every bit of stimulus has completely changed. It's heightened and reduced the little frivolous shit. I do not give a Flying fuck about.

Yeah.

Like, I really don't. And then the big ticket things I care deeply about, you know, how could they impact my kid? Like, it's very easy for people to. Even with, like, the vaccine shit, it's very easy, people who don't have kids to tell you, like, oh, just trust the doctors, whatever. The second you have a kid, it is probably the most terrifying thing you'll ever do in your entire life is injecting something into the most perfect thing you've ever created. And then every single day wondering and listening if she's still smiling and seeing if she's still okay, like, and feeling restrained, responsible if anything negative happens.

Right?

And then if you don't do it, feeling responsible if she got the measles or mumps or whatever the it is, it. I have so much more empathy. And it's something that people just can't understand because they're not put in that position.

Right.

Every new parent that I talk to is concerned about this, every single one. So it's like, you have to have a little empathy. Like, you've created the most perfect thing you've ever could ever imagine. Like, nothing comes as close, close to that. And every decision you make could greatly impact that person's life. So, yeah, we're going to be scared if we watch a fucking video on, on the Internet that says this thing is bad for them.

Right?

And don't call us some fucking quacks. Just call us, like, parents who care for our fucking kids.

Well, the reason there's a lot of people that want to cover up for their own actions, like what they've done, or the, the people that want to say that, like, all this is exaggerated. There are no vaccine injuries. This could have happened to my child. It probably was going to happen anyway. It was going to happen anyway. And you want to really believe that too.

Of course you do, because you don't want to feel like it's your responsibility.

Also, you don't want to believe that pharmaceutical drug companies are willing to sell you things that are going to harm your child. And they are. They are. They always have been, they always will be. They're publicly traded companies have responsibility to their shareholders to make as much money as possible. And the money people are going to push a bunch of shit through that probably shouldn't go through, and they'll tell you you needed, like, when they were vaccinating kids with COVID there was no reason to do that. They knew there was no reason to do that, but they wanted everybody to take it. Because that's where the money is. And that's a scary thought that we live in a world that there's people out there that would literally sacrifice the health of children for profit. But ultimately that's what they do. I mean, that's a thing that's been done. It will continue to be done unless something happens.

Who are the people that do that? Why are they not named?

Look at the Sackler family. Look at those people.

So it's like we know one name, we know the Sacklers, and we don't even know their first name. Well, you might, but like, the average person doesn't like. I think that it'd be a lot different if these people's names were public record.

It would be a lot different if they went to jail. That's the thing. They just get fined.

They'll get mangionied. Yeah, that would happen, right? That would happen immediately.

That's a new thing. That's a verb.

They're going to get that Luigi treatment immediately. It will be that way. People don't fuck around with their kids, man. It's a different.

Luigi was wearing loafers with his ankle handcuffs. And he was in a trial. And he looks so beautiful.

He's a handsome guy.

My wife and my daughters are like, he's adorable. Like, look at him here. He's so beautiful. He's so handsome. Like a supermodel.

Yeah, I think he did porn. Or maybe that was just a headline that I saw, but whatever.

But it's crazy though, that the assassin is a good looking guy and becomes a hero. Like, if he was an ugly fat guy with a maga hat on, everybody would want him dead. Yo, look at him.

Wow, look at those brows.

Beautiful. Well, he's wearing a bulletproof vest too. Isn't that wild? Yeah, but he's got like a mental health problem. Yeah, apparently. And someone said that he took acid and cracked. Yeah, I heard that. Who knows how much of that. Well, we'll find out when the trial happens. What? Yeah, what the lore is. But you know, a broken clock is.

Right two times the day.

Though it was real weird when people were like, yeah, more of that, please.

To me, that's just desperation. And you get to see it manifested. It's like if you're like a really, really, really, really, really rich person with power, you want to make sure the poorest people have enough to survive. The second they don't feel like they have hope and they don't feel like they have enough to survive, they start storming your estate.

Well, Especially when it talk. When you talk about health care. Because there's people whose job is to deny people health care that deserve it.

That's how.

Because that's how they save money. Which is. That's crazy to think of, but that's. I mean, what is the alternative? Socialized medicine? The problem with that is it doesn't incentivize doctors to be the best. I want my doctor to drive a fucking Porsche. I want my doctor to have a 911 Turbo and a nice watch.

No, you're right. Because you want the smartest people to be the doctors. You don't want them running hedge funds.

Right.

Like there's a lot of probably really smart people running hedge funds. I don't want them doing that shit.

Right.

Like I want them fixing diseases.

Right.

You know, and if there's not enough money in it. Yeah. They're going to go to the hedge fund shit. Which is meaningless.

Yeah.

So it's like. It is a tricky problem. How do you create a, you know, a system that incentivizes the most brilliant people to be in positions where they help us all. But how do you make sure that the nefarious actors are not finding ways to squeeze probably the most vulnerable?

How do we eliminate nefarious actors from the world? Or do we ever.

You can't. They're there and they will pop into these positions.

And I think they're there also to help you appreciate non nefarious people.

Yeah. Like we wouldn't know good, right. Unless there is bad.

Yeah, that's real.

That's a good perspective to have on bad.

That's a good. That's the good and evil struggle forever. That's the yin and the yang. That's it all. It's like that's how the world moves forward. That's how it is advances it, protects itself against evil. Then evil tries to find ways through the cracks. They develop better antivirus software. It's a simulation a little bit, man. It might be. It's gonna be. So maybe it already is and maybe it always was. Maybe it always was.

And if it's a simulation once, it can be a simulation twice. So if we can create the simulation. Simulation. And we were created as a simulation, that means that we could be like the 20th version of it.

And we're probably about to create a way better one with AI. That's probably what AI is. AI is probably the God of the simulation. We probably lock that in, turn it on, then it figures out how to do everything.

Do you have any concern about AI?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Elon said there's a 20 chance everything goes sideways, but an 80% chance it's an overall net good for humanity. But 20% chance, like, we're fucked.

That's a high number.

That's not a good number.

That's a high number.

I don't like that. If I'm playing Russian roulette, I got 10 chambers. Let's spin that bitch. I don't like there's two bullets in there. Yeah, I don't like that. That makes me nervous. But I also think you've got a lot of really good, smart people trying to make sure that at the very least, the people here invent it before the people in China, which I think is probably important. Like whoever. Whoever launches the God first is going to be in charge of a lot of stuff. Yeah, it's gonna get very strange. Andrew Schultz. It's already very strange. But it's gonna get even stranger.

We'll be here to enjoy it. Yes, sir, we'll be. Make fun of it, my brother.

It's always a good time to sit with you.

I love you, dog.

I love you to death. You're the best. You are. Tell everybody what's going on.

Oh, life is on Netflix right now. So go check it out, man. And yeah, go check it out. Also go check out Derek Poston's.

Look at that stash, son.

Yeah, so I think we're. I think we're. Today we're number two. You know, maybe after this we beat Kate Hudson. Kate Hudson. Got me, man.

What day does Derek's come out?

April 19th. April, I think 16th.

16Th, yeah.

Yeah, so make sure you check that out.

Get him in here.

Oh, yeah, he's just the bro. He was killing us last night. He said that the greatest art ever created is Harry Potter. And we go, like, better than. He's like. He goes, yes, if it's the most consumed, it's the best. And we're like, what about the Bible? He goes, ain't nobody read that. He goes. He goes. He goes, ain't nobody read that. He goes, you might have read, like, part of it, but you didn't read the whole Bible. He goes, nobody's stopping at book three, bro. He was cooking last night, but, yo, go check out his don't tell comedy.

Very funny. And. And a great person.

Absolutely.

All right. I love you, brother. Love you, dog. Bye, everybody.