Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show your home for open, honest and provocative conversations. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly, welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. Today on the program, Adam Carolla, and he's got some things to say. We're going to be talking about covid and the California Shut Downs and Gavin Newsom's reversal. Is this guy going to be recalled?

Is the pressure getting to him as the California schoolteachers, their unions still refuse to go back into the classroom? We're going to talk to him about The New York Times firing a 45 year old staffer, the guy who was with him for 45 years. We'll get into why and einen Aoki's performance art.

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Exactly. Exactly right. First, let's talk about what's going on with covid Newsome. Gavin Newsom, last week, your governor finally called for schools to reopen even before every teacher has been vaccinated.

And the teachers unions they're opposing, the teachers union out there is opposing the district superintendent out there in Southern California saying the schools are just not going to reopen. They're not unless, quote, teachers are protected. That's ambiguous.

And now there's a real question of schools there, amongst other places, are ever going to reopen until we have complete herd immunity.

What do you think? Well, you know, if you think about the way California rolls, the way California rolls is they set up these arbitrary, color coded safety, you know, purple, yellow, red, magenta or whatever. And then each one has a goal that's pretty much undoable. They have like an unreachable goal, like less than seven people can be infected out of two million people on a three year period. And then they go, we haven't met our goal.

Well, you set up an unrealistic goal. So de like you saying to your kids or me saying to my daughter, you can never go to Disneyland or outside after the streetlights come on or ever spend money at fast food until you get one hundred percent on twenty trigonometry tests in a row. And then at some point she do seventeen in a row and you go can we go to Disneyland? And I'd go, Hey babe. Rules are rules. We can't do it because I set up these very unrealistic goals.

So California sets up crazy, unrealistic safety goals and then we don't need them teachers. When this whole thing is said and done, the teachers are going to look like mega cowards to me, like in this world where we're calling people at work at Trader Joe's, heroes and nurses, heroes and firemen, heroes and every front line. Everyone's a hero. There has to be a goat and a goat or a teacher. They're not going back to work there.

First off, why are they essential workers if garbage men and people who work at Trader Joe's and gas stations, if they're essential workers, how can teachers are essential workers? I thought children were our future. I thought this was the most important job ever. Ten minutes ago, we're calling teachers heroes. Remember, they're all heroes. What happened to the hero of monicker hiding under their bed in the fetal position? Hammering chair? They need to get back to work.

And by the way, we don't need unions. This is the it's the unions that are screwing this thing up.

That's what's so irritating is because is that, number one, I think most teachers do want to teach is is there unions that are that are stepping in.

But number two, there are certainly some teachers because we saw them, we saw them doing their interpretive dance in Chicago, these young, able bodied teachers springing leaping through the air in order to make clear that they could not possibly teach children, wait, y you're totally, totally, perfectly healthy and you're terrified you're going to get covered in schools that have already prioritized you for the vaccine and sterilized the classrooms, et cetera.

So but the thing that really ticks me off is you've got you got you got teachers like we have a sixty five year old guy who's been teaching my fifth grader and his classmates for a year. He's fine. He took the risk. He's one of those people who could easily say, I'm going to stay at home. He didn't he went he understood there's next to no chance of him getting it or transmitting it inside the classroom. And he did the right thing.

And now we're supposed to look at these leapers and say, oh, why won't you keep them safe?

Well, it's so narcissistic. It's so like saying, like, I'm not going back into the classroom and felt 100 percent safe for me. Crazy narcissism. And again, what if everyone ever worked at a supermarket, took on that same posture? But I've always had this bigger picture plan, like everyone says to me, what's going on with schools, like what's happening with schools? And it's like, what do we teach our kids at these schools? It's a little slice of socialism is the way I look at it.

And it first off, it's inhabited by people who don't want to go out and compete in the private sector. No. One. So it's a self-selecting group of individuals. Number two, if you think about it, just think about the kids, you think about California, think about school teachers, if you think about covid and a sort of political political terms, the people on the right are the least worried about it. People are the left who are on the left of the most worried about in the people that are nervous.

To the left are the teachers, and those are the teachers that are teaching your kid every day. So what kind of politics do you think your kids are getting by the super scared leftists who won't go back into a classroom? What what what else? Pray tell, they may be teaching your kids about the 16 19 project or any any of this. This is a tale. This is a tell for who they are and what their politics are.

Mm hmm. It's so true. And they've had to show their card because the actual governor of California is saying, go back to school. The city of San Francisco and the city of L.A. are saying to their specific districts, go back, open up the schools and they're refusing. San Francisco just had to sue its own school district to make them reopen. The district officials are refusing. And meantime, at a meeting at the federal level, we've got Joe Biden.

Remember, follow the science. I'm going to follow the science. Unlike President Trump, I will follow the science and I will listen to the experts.

And the CDC comes out with this just devastating for that far left position report, saying there's basically no evidence that you're going to get covered in school, that schools have contributed in any meaningful way to community spread and and that all the data show it's much safer for the kids to be in school and it's perfectly safe for the children. And you know what happened after they said that the White House was asked about it? Jen Psaki came out and said, well, the woman who said that she was speaking in her personal capacity was the director of the CDC and she was providing the guidance during a coronavirus task force briefing with reporters in her role as the head of the CDC.

And now we're going to follow the science and listen to the experts.

Folks are saying, oh, was you speaking in a personal capacity, by the way?

What is personal capacity? I mean, when you're the head of the CDC or the spokesperson for the CDC, what does that even mean? Like, those are her own private thoughts that she shared, like we stole her diary or something, or she's a Scientologist and she's giving us some of her own homespun theories about life, like what is evil, what is personal capacity? I mean, when you're standing at a podium with CDC signage behind you, what does that mean?

That's her own deeply held personal opinion about covid-19. What does that even mean? It's a lie.

And if we were back in the Trump era, it would be added to the list of, like, number of lies told by this White House. But no, keep going. Yeah.

So 40, if he says something I disagree with, I can claim it's just his personal capacity he was speaking in. That was just pillow talk with him and his wife. It's a lame statement. It's nonsensical. She was speaking in a personal capacity. That doesn't mean everything.

Right? Right. It's a dodge by this, you know, this new White House press office that was going to be so transparent. And, you know, they're they're already lying to us and we know it. And the stakes are high. You know, I know you've got two kids. I've got three kids. Really pisses me off because it's like we did a long report last week based on a New York Times in-depth piece talking about the suicide rate amongst these kids going up that the most recent CDC report found mental health related E.R. visits are up.

Thirty one percent for kids between 12 and 17, up twenty four percent for kids between five and 11 who are like the opposite of super spreaders.

You're not going to get covid from a kid between five and 11. And they don't give a shit. They they they won't go back to school.

The White House won't follow the science. And when the CDC director had a moment of honesty, the first response is personal capacity. Look over there.

Yeah, it's really it's an interesting it's interesting that numbers, computers and statistics have actually pulled us further away from reality. Like there in a way, teachers keeping kids at home and not going back is kind of statistically like black lives matter in the sense that we focus all of their energy on cops shooting unarmed black men, which is statistically next than now say they focus none of their focus on black men killing other black men, which is statistically. Through the roof, and we're all supposed to just go along with it like like we don't do math, like we can look at a number or spreadsheet and the teacher seems kind of the same thing.

There is no statistical data that says it's dangerous for kids to go back into the classroom. There's now a bunch of statistical data saying it's very dangerous for them to stay home with all the myriad of things that go along with that substance abuse and mental stuff and physical abuse and all that. And yet we're just going to ignore that and let them sit home and rot. So the heroes who claim to have gotten into it because they love kids and they want to change their future are and by the way, this thing where it's like, well, it's not them, it's the union, then start typing up against you again.

Why don't you start pushing back against the unions is not what a hero would do.

And why do we need these unions by the by the administration wants to get rid of school choice because this seems like. So we want a monopoly with these idiots controlling our kids and controlling the state. That doesn't seem like a good plan for me, get rid of get rid of charter schools and get rid of school choice and get rid of vouchers, have an ever increasing number of unions and school teachers unions and then have them just dictate policy. And in a state as big as California.

That sounds like a great plan to me. It seems like what they're doing now, nobody wants it. So all the parents want their kids to go back to school. The governor wants the kids to go back to school. The mayor in Los Angeles wants the kids to go back to school. But the union, because of how big it is, says, yeah, that makes sense to anybody. And might might we pump the brakes at this point and say maybe there should be some alternatives to big unionized, federally funded schools?

Do you think there's any chance of that happening, given what, you know, the size of Democratic donations the unions make?

Well, somebody is going to have to start talking about the fact that it's so funny because I live in California, I live amongst these idiots. And would you say to them all the time, hey, the governor wants the schools open. It's statistically safe for the schools open. The mayor wants the schools. Then how come schools aren't open? They'll go like, I don't know. I don't know. They have no connection to the unions. And then funding the politicians, they cannot do that math or they won't do that math or it's some sort of cognitive dissonance or something.

Your people, Democrats, the people you're voting for, this is what they're doing. They're sacrificing kids, the mayor and the governor and the governor. They can they can give some lip service to it, but they can't actually make a move because they're scared of the unions who are funding them. And this is this this is essentially payola. And it's perfectly fine for all the Democrats who live in California. I would I would I would say that's a hypocritical stance.

I mean, I would say and I have said, you want to just say, that's fine, you don't want to teach, you're fired, it's no problem. That's the deal. Like, the reason you get the paycheck is because you do the teaching. And now that we're back open, if you're not going to show up, you're fired. But how can they do that when the unions control the slots that the teachers are in and they are going to just say they can't backfill them like the unions got them.

They've got them right where they want them?

Well, we agreed in our society that monopolies are bad, that sometimes you abuse your power when you're a monopoly. So we have a lot of laws to break up monopolies and to prevent monopolies. So why is it good for the school teachers union? Who is a monopoly? Why is that? Why is that? Why is that an OK monopoly? So you couldn't have a monopoly on automobiles or on taxes, but you could have one on teachers. And that works.

This is, by the way, what happens when there's a monopoly? This I'm living in California. My kids are laying in the room right now because of the school teacher's union monopoly. If we had alternatives, then they would just lose business and go away if there were others who were competing against them. But they have they have a monopoly. So what is advantageous about a monopoly? We're calling it a union, but it's really a monopoly. It's a good point.

I mean, there was a time in our country's history where teachers felt they were being mistreated and the only way they were going to get decent salaries and decent benefits was to bind together and work against, you know, as a unit against the sort of the cities controlling all the purse strings.

I don't I don't think we're still there. And the free market has led to a lot of great schools that don't have to obey by these rules. And that's they're so threatened by how well they're working things like charter schools and so on, that they're their solution is, as you point out, they must be shut down. It's not we have to do better because they're coming for us. You know, it's like we could do better and learn from their example.

It's they need to go away. The competition needs to be eliminated.

Yeah. Well, what would you do if you were really bad at your job and you were lazy? Would you want to up your game or would you want to get rid of the competition? So they're going to do basically they're going to do what we let them do. And I don't think they're any different than any other entity. I don't I don't see why GM wouldn't do it as well or any other large, you know, G.E. or any other large corporations don't do what we let them do.

Unfortunately, California let them do whatever they want to do. And this is the product. I mean, I'm living it right now that this is what happens when you have a Democratic supermajority. This is this is the product. And now Newsom, who's essentially been neutered, it has to do two things you have to say out of one side of his mouth, because there's so much pressure and there's a recall effort afoot and people are hitting their boiling point at this point because the kids have been home for almost a year.

My kids have been home almost a year. And according to the school teachers unions, five times everyone's vaccinated and we get everyone back to the classroom. It'll be time for the summer break. There will be no school year this year. So Newsom has to pay his constituency lip service by saying, well, I'd like to see schools open, but we also can't do anything sweeping or dramatic or force anyone back into the classroom because unions are his bread and butter.

So he just sits there pretending like he wants schools open but doing nothing about it.

And the scary thing is, you know, as that, as we continue to put such blind faith not with the country, but really the administration now in Foushee, he's saying we may be we may be dealing with this situation until the end of next school year, 21 into 22.

I just think at what point have the American people had enough? At what point is there actually just a collective middle finger? Like if we have to have our classes in the middle of the park taught by a group of parents who's studied up on the latest, we're going to do it because this is such bullshit. How many years can they keep us locked in our apartments without teaching our children while still cashing all of our tax checks? You know, I mean, I do wonder because we are Americans, the American spirit is as a free spirit.

We like our liberty a lot.

And you can see even even in a state like California, Adam, you know, you tell me that's very blue. I feel like people there are reaching their boiling point. They've had it.

Well, you can kind of judge if you've lived in California, you live in Los Angeles. At the beginning of the shutdown, there wasn't any traffic on the freeways. Now there's just as much traffic. Is there ever was, which means people are kind of voting with their feet. So the state is reopening whether whether the governor likes it or not, because people are just tired of it. And also, you can't cry wolf that many times before people just start heading back into the town square.

So essentially, that's what what's happening. Unfortunately, there is no version of that with public schools where kids just wandering on the campus and opening books of take a decree and the reality. Megan, let me tell you the most disappointing part about this entire experiment that we've all been living through for the last year. I cannot believe how cowardly people are. I can I was reading a tweet that I sent out early in July saying teachers are heroes and cops are the bad guys.

The cops are doing their jobs and the heroes, the teachers won't go back to school. And of course, I always see that whenever I call the teachers cowards or whatever, I do what I do. And it's the scariest part and most revelatory part about this whole thing is what lemming coward sheep everyone has turned out to be. They're attacking Dr. Drew. They're attacking me. They're attacking anybody who suggests lockdowns are hurting our society. We're hurting the kids.

Kids are safe. Kids should be able to go back to school. This is affecting old people and people with pre-existing conditions. It's not killing healthy people. The insane part about this is how fast society turned on people that are championing the cause of freedom. That's the scary, I expect the government. Look, I expected Newsome to be a shit show. He's an idiot. I've interviewed the guy. He doesn't he has a syntax problem, but he's really dumb.

Do listen to him debate me. It's on YouTube somewhere. He cannot compete. And I am a junior college education. I was put on academic probation at a junior college and Gavin Newsom can't keep up with it. So he said, I didn't expect anything from him. Our Mayor Garcetti is a flat out policy. I didn't expect anything from that guy. He is a total plus. No problemo. What about the people? What about the comedian?

Where the voices who's pushing back? That's the disappointing part that Newsom and Garcetti, I knew who they were. It's everyone else. What's wrong with everybody? Why and everyone is so scared to speak up or that saying these people are such cowards.

He's like a JFK figure. He's got the good hair, know he's somewhat good looking. I remember when he was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, they did this big spread, which she had the flowing dress. And you could just tell they were sort of wannabes. You know, they were kind of wannabes. And I think he's still a wannabe and he's good looking enough. It's very rare in a politician that he keeps getting elevated to the next position, and yet he clearly has no spine.

You know, and the recall thing is interesting because it wasn't until that started to get really more serious and start to look like it had some momentum behind it, that he was like, you know, well, let's open the schools, but that the unions are standing their ground saying, screw you, make us. And now, you know, his bluff has been called. And we'll see. I mean, do you think do you think there's actually going to be a recall?

I think there is.

It sounds like there is. And it'd be nice if there was an end to circle back to the disappointment. I think we've figured out that with enough social pressure, almost almost any empathy. OK, right. And here's here's what I'm saying. If we went all out and pressured the unions to reopen the schools, if the L.A. Times was writing articles every day of CNN was hitting it hard, if celebrities were tweeting, we would force them to do it.

The point is, is none of those entities are doing any of that. And that's the sad part I think we could shake. I think we could shame the unions into opening the schools of California. But no celebrity, no comedian, no public figure. They're not going on record. And I don't know where the Los Angeles Times. Are we supposed to follow the science? What about the science? I thought it was all about following the good.

Then do your thing. Los Angeles Times is writing another op ed piece about the dangers of hydroxy Clerkenwell. Why don't you attack the teachers union or are you on their side? So this is the problem with the super majority in California. The Los Angeles Times agrees with the teachers unions. They, like the teachers unions, say they are on the same side politically as the teachers union. So they're not going to do anything. Everyone should be rising up in unison and shaming those idiots into doing their jobs.

And they've leaned into their own fear.

They've leaned in their own.

There's the group that's genuinely gotten themselves terrified of covid, even though if you are under the age of 70, you have over 99 percent chance of surviving covid. But there's a group that's gotten themselves convinced. It's like the plague. And, you know, the media helps by playing up any case of somebody who didn't have a pre-existing condition and was young and died. I mean, they will play it up so that everybody knows who that person was, where you could do the same thing with the flu every year.

If you wanted to take somebody who was young and you didn't think was otherwise susceptible to death from getting the flu. Many people do die of it.

But because there is sort of a covert pawn need by the media, they'll take one case and really scare the hell out of people. And people walk away thinking they actually might die from this thing. So you got people who are genuinely fearful and they're not paying attention or because they're just people who like drama in their lives and they lean into fear as a general matter. And then you got to people who know the truth, but they're fearful about getting mean tweets, right.

About getting attacked, like you say, like doctor or you or, you know, Doctor Atlus, who is at the White House, who just got killed, like any sort of unorthodox pushback, is publicly shamed as you don't give a shit about grandma and nobody wants to be accused of that. But we're at the point now where it's like when the CDC is on your side and just no one's listening to it. It's time to rise up. It's maybe time for an editorial.

Yeah, I agree. It's an interesting glimpse into the human psyche, which is they're so cowardly and so worried about the mob turning on them. They'll say almost anything and they'll repress almost any thought. And they don't really care about right and wrong and science and data and numbers. So to sheepishly go along with everyone, because everyone or evidentally, you know, it's funny, you know, they used to say like no one fear know snakes, no to public speaking, No.

Three spiders. But it's really being shamed and and pushed out of the village. Essentially, that must be the number one fear of all human beings. And maybe when they were talking about snakes in public speaking, they didn't have a modality for pushing everyone out of the shaming, everyone in the public square like we do now with Twitter. But evidently that almost every human being's greatest fear, because that's the only explanation for why everyone's going along with this.

And by the way, it's awesome if you're Amazon and it's awesome if you're Gavin Newsom because you have a whole bunch of these scared subjects just sheepishly going along with everything you want to do.

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Saw the latest example and sort of that mob mentality, and there's the group that says nothing because they're afraid the mob will turn on them.

And then there's the group that chooses to join the mob, either because they're WOAK or what have you, or because they just want a virtue signal. You know, I think there's a huge section of the population that joins these mobs because they think it's insurance. You know, like I join the mob member.

How could I how could I by now be somebody you want to cancel? You know, like I I wanted Roseanne canceled, whatever it is, you know, pick pick the latest controversy. But the one that was in the news recently was The New York Times pushed out. It's covid reporter, I mean, this guy was there, covid reporter, his name is Don McNeil Jr. and he's been at the Times for forty five years. Forty five years.

I listen to him often. I listen to The Daily, that's their podcast over there, and it's left and is fine.

But I, like different points of view, are coming into my you know, I like not just all right wing stuff and he's definitely a covid panicker kind of guy, you know, like in terms of his reporting, he's been jumping up and down.

So of course, the Times should love him.

And he got forced out because it came out that in twenty nineteen he was on some trip overseas with a bunch of teenagers like young teenagers, and it was like some educational thing. And he was asked at a dinner by a student whether he McNeil thought a classmate of hers should have been suspended for a video the kid made when she was 12 in which this kid used a racial slur, the N-word.

And McNeil has now admitted that he asked the student telling him this story if the 12 year old had called somebody else the slur or if she was rapping or quoting a book title.

And he admits that he actually said the N-word when having this exchange, like when trying to quote, he was like, did she say and he didn't say N-word.

He said the word in this context or in that context.

This is why he's now been fired. His forty five year career is over because in quoting someone who used the N-word, he actually said it. Adam, The New York Times staff, to its credit, The New York Times originally said, look, it doesn't appear his intentions were hateful or malicious. And Dean Baquet was like, I'm not going to fire the guy. You know, like he's very sorry. Trust me, you'll never do it again.

A hundred and fifty staffers wrote a letter. F you intention is irrelevant, what matters is impact, all that matters is how the victims feel. And we got the the stuff we've gotten so often over the past year of like the speech itself was somehow violent and everyone there was in pain and.

We've been disrespected now they want a reinvestigation of the whole incident. They want an organized organizational study into how racial biases affect editorial decisions. The Times is on the knee. McNeil is out. And we've now gotten to the point officially where all that matters is not intention, but, quote, impact. And you can always find someone willing to say they've been negatively impacted by someone's alleged misstep.

Remember when the mayor of Oakland found all those hoops hanging from the trees of the park in Oakland and of course, decided there were nooses, right? Yes. Then the black man who put all the hoops up said, I put them up for exercise. It's the way I exercise at the park or people exercise at the park. And the mayor of Oakland said, I'm still going to call in the FBI and we're going to investigate it as a hate crime.

Now, first off, you want to talk about a waste of taxpayers money, number one. Number two, you're just admitting into a microphone, you're fucking imbecile, if that's what you said. If you're saying that into a microphone, you're saying I'm incompetent and inept and I have no idea why we would want this person to run a major city. But either way, didn't we just get our answer? And isn't it all context and intent? And this is a big deal because a lot it's a very interesting, bigger point, which is so many young white people love rap music and are influenced by rap music and then repeat the lyrics and then get into trouble for repeating the lyrics, which is essentially an Obama charge to the music that they are enjoying.

And we we see no difference. There's no difference between calling someone the N-word or repeating what someone else said. There's an absolute difference. It's night and day. It's insanity, and anyone who doesn't see that difference should be labeled an imbecile. And if you write for a newspaper and your reporter in any capacity and you don't know the difference, if you don't know contact, then you should be fired because you're incapable of doing your job. How would you, in fact, report on something if, in fact, whatever part of your brain that perceives contact and somehow been destroyed with a with a soldering iron?

Well, you know what?

It does the focus on impact instead of intent. It eliminates the ability to make mistakes. You're done, right? Mistakes, no one gives a shit if it was a mistake. All they care about is that you did it and no one can go through life like that, especially especially when if the impact right of your negative impact is being judged by today's standards where there are landmines everywhere. I like this one. Yes. You should know that. You shouldn't utter that word.

I get that. I understand he was trying to do it to quote somebody, but whatever. It was a dumb thing to do. On a parallel lane to that story at the Times, there was another story about this guy. I think he's one of the producers of that podcast, the daily named Andy Mills.

He was effectively forced out. He resigned, but he was effectively forced out because of they said he had a metoo movement, a ME2 moment at a different employer back in twenty eighteen. And it got dragged back up. And I was like, well, what was he accused of doing? I don't know.

I'm not sure why he didn't get booted out of his last organization. And I was looking and looking and looking. Basically what he was accused of doing was he got drunk in a bar.

He took a drink and dumped it on a woman's head and made flirtatious comments. All right. That is not worth you getting fired from your next job, right from your next job. That didn't even involve these these colleagues. Right. But because he was big on one of their most popular podcasts and apparently, I don't know, they just thought he was getting a pass.

They thought he was getting a pass. And he was also, I think, involved in the Caliphate podcast, which was completely undermined. And it was it turned out to be false and they had to take it down and all this stuff and he didn't get fired. But the point is The Times is now doing a couple of things right, like if if you've had any misstep. Currently or in your past, even if you've atoned for it and paid for it, you're done.

I don't know how we can live in this world.

Here's the problem is, as far as I can tell, what the Times is doing is the Times Kraatz. So here's here's here's the world we're living in. These social justice warriors are out. Telling everyone why they're immoral and why everything's problematic and why everything they do or did is evil or racist or homophobic or whatever it is. So The New York Times has deemed themselves the purveyor of morality. So, of course, you have to cleanse within your own ranks, because if you're going to announce that you are the new moral standard, you can't have anyone in your ranks that did anything at all.

So it's going to be an internal cleansing and an external judging of the world. So how can you call Trump a misogynist every 10 minutes if there may be some misogyny lurking within your own ranks? So they're going to have to if they're going to have to purge their own, which now we're into some scary territory. Right?

Absolutely terrifying. And thinking about the quicksand that we're all walking on, if this is a standard where you can't, you know, the evolving standards of what's OK or what's offensive, you can't keep up with it. You know, the this year alone, they changed. They got rid of the name Redskins. As you know, the Cleveland Indians say they're getting rid of their name. And then just last Friday, there was an op ed by somebody, some hysteric.

Jamie Goodall was her name, I think it was a woman in The Washington Post had an op ed saying Buccaneers has to go.

Buccaneers is a celebration of piracy. Is she said it may seem like it isn't fun and pride in a local culture, but there is danger in romanticizing ruthless cutthroats who created a crisis in world trade when they captured and plundered plundered Adam thousands of ships on the Atlantic trade routes. OK, so the Buccaneers.

They're on they're on shaky ground and anybody who would defend the Buccaneers could potentially be on shaky ground as having a negative impact on someone like Jamie Goodell, some staff historian who's now decided to be the moral arbiter of us all.

And it's like, I don't know. The other the other piece of it is impact on whom. Right.

Because, Don Neill, those days are gone.

Well, you tell me because Don McNeil says that word right. He says that we're trying to quote somebody and he's fired after forty five years of the times.

I just watch the Super Bowl where the weekend performed. Who says that word?

Every other line in some of his songs. You know, to your point about the rap community, every other line and I saw a Khateeb in one of the commercials who says that word every other line in some of your songs, not to mention some other stuff.

So, I mean, I get that those latter two people are black and Don McNeil is white. But it does beg the question, impact on whom? Well, look, the part where there is some plausible some line you could draw through some sort of positive impact versus them just controlling your life, like the first time the whole Washington Redskins thing flared up and then died down about 10 years ago, is because they went and did a survey of indigenous people or American Indians or whatever, whatever we call them.

And they said they don't care. And that's why it went away the first time, because they were like, all right, the people who were trying to say don't care because they have bigger fish to fry than the Washington Redskins logo on the side of the helmet, they have real problems. And so that that community is per capita, probably worse off than any community in the United States. I think if you go to the community with the most problems and ask them about the most frivolous of their problems, then most of them are going to say we're dealing with adolescent diabetes and poverty over here.

We're not so interested in the Washington Redskins logo. So in this thing, where who does it affect? It affects nobody. None of this affects most of all of this doesn't affect most of the stuff we're talking about. I mean, circling back to the teachers, kids don't have covid and they don't affect teachers negatively affects any most of the stuff we're talking about doesn't affect anybody. We're essentially out of problems. And whoever this idiot writer is writing about, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, she is clearly out of problems.

And anyone who agrees with her writing are out of problems is well, people with real problems are interested in that and and know it affects nobody. They always do this thing where it's dangerous or it sends the wrong message I. I was just reading a tweet that some idiot sent me an hour ago and they were saying, like, you know, because San Francisco is changing all the names of the schools from Lincoln to Washington, and you've got to give everything must go.

This is and by the way, this this this is being sold under a false pretense. This like we have to go back and clear these mistakes up from the past because they're racist, where they make people feel in danger. That's all bullshit. This is just a purge. They're just purging. They're just getting rid of everything that was so that they can reshape the now in the future. This has nothing to do with Lincoln, had nothing to do with Washington.

This is just to do with getting rid of everything that came before so that they can now sculpt the narrative and sculpt the future. But some idiot tweeted me like, well, you don't think that's a good idea to get rid of those names? Like, what about the nine year old who's the ninth grader who's in that group and the fear they feel walking into the school? It's like, what are you talking about? Does anyone even know what I know when they're in junior high?

It even knew what the stupid name was of their school, what the person did or what they're involved with or anything. Why do you feel fear if you feel fear when you're walking into middle school?

It's for reasons having nothing to do with the name of your school. We all felt it and for good reason, not not not having to do with Abraham Lincoln.

And also the good news is children in San Francisco, you don't have to feel fear walking into Lincoln Junior High because it's been shut down for a year because your teachers will go back to work so good you feel fear at home.

You know how some parents passed that on, right? They're hysterical and they pass it on to their kids. It's like society is doing that right now to adults, whether it's covid or I mean, how are you stunned by the fact that it was one hundred and fifty staffers who wrote the letter trying to kill this guy after forty five years of the times? Forty five. They wanted his scalp and they got it. They're they're teaching the next generation.

Let me posit this. Think about it. So one hundred and fifty people wrote the letter. How many of those hundred and fifty were just scared to be cast out. They don't want to be washed out into the cornfield. You know, this whole thing is you can learn everything you want to learn by watching that Twilight Zone episode where that kid is going to wish everyone out in the cornfield. It's ironic because it's the kid wishing all the adults out in a corn field so that forty five year old staffer was the adult and the kids wished him out the corn field.

But when you're sitting in your cubicle at the Times and somebody brings by the letter to get this old timer shit can and wants you to sign it, what percentage of people really thought he needed to go first? He didn't want to get washed out in a cornfield. This is dangerous.

That that's why these are dangerous times, because people are cowards. People look, if if you guys if I got all those hundred and fifty times staffers drunk and asked them if they really cared whether what this guy said when he said it or whether he should be dismissed it, at least one hundred and forty four of them would have said they don't care.

Some of them may have said McNeill's an asshole, has been an asshole for a long time. And that's the other concern. You can't use stuff like this to get rid of somebody who you just don't like.

But, you know, it's happening for sure. It's happening, you know, and it's like with that, when we had due process, you would you would make sure that that the target was not pretextual. You know, you would make sure that there had been an actual, you know, serious ethical misstep and like probe. Is there actually just an axe to grind about this guy here? We don't we don't generally fire people after forty five years just for being, you know, irascible.

Now, all it takes is a letter like this and especially on an issue like race. I'm not again, I'm not excusing him uttering the word. It's just anything having to do with race. And I mean, that Time's letter is like, please don't hurt us, please don't hurt us.

Everyone looks at all this stuff like it's somehow progress. It's this we're this is rigourous. This is not progress. This isn't right. We're not evolving. You know, I've been saying for a long time, like all the people who are into, like the progressive movement, it's like not all progress is good. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's good. Just because it's different than it was 10 years ago doesn't mean it's progress. A lot of there's a big I think one of the things we're getting caught up in as a nation like look at us, we're moving forward like look at us, we're moving forward.

What are we moving in the right direction? And is this really is this a good thing? So will you be happy now? You can rest easy when your kids enter the workforce. Is that is that how you should think now? Oh, thank God. Oh, I'm going to sleep like a baby. Knowing my young son would like to speak.

His mind is entering the workforce because it's like we realize that all of you setting the rules are absolutely perfect and have never made a mistake and would never make a mistake. But what what about your kids? Are you totally confident they're never going to misstep? And you know what? It's like nine times out of ten that people pushing this nonsense, they don't have kids. They're like young people looking for a cause. They feel like they're they're part of the next civil rights movement and they're not.

But there is there is a purging going on, not just people getting fired or canceled, but like in the publishing world, you know, you saw Josh Holley, his book got canceled after the capital riot. Now, Simon and Schuster, according to the latest report I read, is saying they're going to stop publishing Candace Owens, the woman. Yeah, the woman who, like the one conservative editor at Hachette, has been fired. She was the one responsible for getting Don Junior's book published and she just published Andy Knows book.

She did like Corey Lewandowski, who I kissed, and Corey Lewandowski. But I don't I wouldn't stop him from publishing a book, Newt Gingrich, stuff like.

So anyway, she just got the official reasons were some lame reasons, but it was a big write up on how it's bullshit, right? Like everybody knows this bullshit that that as soon as they fired her, where it was reassuring employees, they've learned the lessons of the capital riot. There'll be no more hate speech, no incitement, no false narratives in the books that they that they publish. And they're going to shift back. Now, Adam, to quote think tank conservative, think tank conservative.

I mean, OK, yeah, I think conservatives like when you watch CNN when they think they want to have this sort of even handed panel. Whenever you hear Republican strategists, you always know that's not real about just going to get someone to get up there and talk about your shit about Trump or whoever. But I think conservative. I don't I don't get I don't get why people put up with this. I don't get why more people don't talk about it.

It's really insane. I mean, we're getting into publishing. We we're literally getting into we can't burn their books anymore because they don't exist, because they won't publish them. We're literally we leapfrog past book burning and that there's no product before. It's so true.

Well, that that's exactly right. No more tweets to bash because the the the tweets are not allowed anymore. No more no more violent rhetoric on parler because parlor's gone. And by the way, just in case our audience didn't hear the guy who came on the show, John meIt's, the CEO of Parler, was fired last week, fired.

And we're trying to figure out exactly what the story was. The reports of that coming up.

In one minute, I'm going to ask Adam about the ladies of The View ganging up on Van Jones, who was in Adam's movie No Safe Spaces, which everyone should go see. It's amazing. And we're going to have a little chat about AOC and whether she's a force for good. That's in one second. But first, insurance can be complicated, right? I mean, just the word insurance. You're like, oh, I want to do it.

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And today, it's a story about my children.

We woke up in the morning. I went out to the coffee maker and it was preset like, mate, you know, the grounds were there, by the way. It was black rafel coffee. And all I had to do was hit brew.

Right. So I just figured Doug had done it. And I'm like, Oh, thanks, babe. He's like, I didn't do it. I'm like, what do you mean I didn't do it?

And Yeardley, our nine year old, was like, I did it. My nine year old preset, my coffee maker.

I was like, oh, goals, hashtag goals accomplished. And I sent out a tweet the other day saying, you know, I pretty much feel that all my parenting goals have been accomplished now like I'm good.

What's your nine year old just on her own, makes your morning coffee for you. I think you can just sit back and say, like, nailed it.

So anyway, you know how it is. Parents, you don't get days like that. Every day you go. Sometimes you get too many of the other kinds of days.

But that was a good one and I thought I'd share it. And now back to Adam.

Speaking of intolerance, Van Jones was on The View, and Van Jones to me is a really if I were running CNN, I, I would well, I fire Chris Cuomo and I'd fire Don Lemon for sure.

Like yesterday, they would definitely be fired. But I think Van Jones, a show in primetime immediately. So Van Jones used to be a communist. He's he's the one that Glenn Beck. Oh, he did. I think regrettably got fired from the Obama administration.

He was going to be. I like his green energy czar, so I can't remember so long ago now.

But he was a hard, hard left and I don't think he's there anymore. But he's a he's a black man who grew up in Tennessee. And I think he has made a lifelong effort to understand people who are not like he is and to reach out across the aisle to people who are not like he is. He actually just came out with this effort, with Meghan McCain to sort of it's like I can't write what they're calling like bridge the divide.

And they're trying to sort of get people to unite, which I don't know how that's going to go. But I love Van Jones.

I have interviewed Van Jones before. And also Van Jones is in my No Safe Spaces movie. That's for Dennis Prager as well. So I know Van Jones a bit. And yes, he's he's a sensible guy for the most part, although he was on Mars two weeks ago and we're talking about recall and Gavin Newsom shouted out that the Q and on conspiracy thing. And it's like, no, it's not. He's a horrible governor we're trying to recall.

Well, it's got over one point three million signatures, so they only need one point five. I know.

I don't know why Van Jones yelled out. Q And on conspiracy, I think the new deal with people on the left is anything you disagree with, the ACLU and on conspiracy?

Oh, I'm going to do that. That's actually pretty good. I like that. Thank you for the tip.

Everybody's got political disagreements, as Van Jones once said to me privately, because we're friends, something like let's disagree. Twenty three hours of the day. And I like that. Right. Like, let's have a beer the other hour. Let's let's be cool. Let's see each other's humanity. Anyway, my point is he goes on the view.

Now, as I say, he's doing this thing, this effort, bipartisanship, whatever, with Meghan McCain, who's a co-host of The View. So it goes over there to talk about it. Right.

Ana Navarro, this is another one of those fake Republicans like Nicole Wallace. So hateful now and they killed Van Jones. We have a clip. Take a listen.

All of a sudden, you you show up working with nepotism, Barbie and nepotism, Ken, and you work and showing up, you know, and pictures with Eric Trump and with Candice Owens. And so I think there's people who wonder, and I'm one of them, how did that evolution happen?

There's no evolution. I when Obama was in office, I was working with Newt Gingrich. I was working with Republicans then to get people out of prison.

There are those who really accuse you of being a political opportunist, a chameleon, so to speak, who provided a racial cover for a former disgrace, twice impeached President Trump.

People in the black community don't trust you anymore. What is your response?

Oh, I don't think that's true. Let's take it back. We'll be right back. The point that ladies of The View were trying to make is how dare you reach across the aisle and work with anybody in that Trump White House, even if it means getting people of color out of jail early?

Screw you, Van Jones, because you worked with, quote, nepotism, Barbie and Ken. Right.

Which basically shows that they're not interested in whatever it is they say they're interested in. You know what I mean? They're whatever they're whatever their dealings is. It's kind of like Black Lives Matter, like they're not really interested in what they say they're interested in and they're civil and they're always talking about unity and uniting the country, reaching across the aisle and civility and all they're interested in. They're interested in their terms. One hundred percent, their idea of unity is 100 percent their way or the highway.

Yeah, they're also thin skinned, you know what I mean? Like, hey, your Highness, is anyone allowed to disagree with the way you think? I mean, you have to think about all these people. First of all, if they're intellectually idiots, most of them and the rules are all of society must just join in and lock step behind them and think exactly how they think. Otherwise, they need to be cast. They need to be banished and cast out of the cornfield.

It's complete and utter narcissism, you know, or you must be a fox must be canceled because they disagree with us. I mean, just think about that. Think about the crazy narcissism of saying you disagree with me so you're bad and you must not exist. Yeah. And it's working, that's what's really scary is it's either not going to get rid of Fox, that's not happening. But, you know, these little these it's death by a thousand cuts like the woman it has shit goes.

And something like six hundred publishing staffers wrote a letter last month saying there'll be no books by anybody from the Trump administration who or who supported the violence at the Capitol, which really means I didn't totally accept the election result is non fraudulent. It happened just this year.

They're everywhere now. Van Jones tries to reach across the aisle, get criminal justice reform done, something that would normally be cheering for. Nope, he gets shamed for it on The View. He gets shamed for taking a picture with Candice Owens, with whom he probably agrees on absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing. But just being in a picture with her is enough for them to to give him a hard time. And it doesn't matter that Van himself is black, liberal, hard left liberal.

You know, for most of his history. No. Does it matter? You got to tow the line. You got to tow it every second of every day or you're out. I think it's one of the reasons why people look at like even the impeachment happening this week and they're like, we're over you and you're hysterical overreactions to everything. They talk. I'm not defending the Capitol Hill riot at all, but they talk about it like it.

It was like another 1776 all out Revolutionary War.

And it's not to say it wasn't bad, it was bad. But you know, the difference in rhetoric when they talk about the riots we've seen over this year versus what we saw that day is obvious to anybody.

Oh, my God. You do hear AOSIS tearful. And by the way, the news just picks it up and runs with it. Harrowing experience. You know, there's this thing where I mean, why if she could trust him, I mean to say we're racist, completely different. It's racist. Of course it's racism. By the way, everything those people do, essentially, while they're calling everyone else a racist, is in fact racist. Yep.

Of course, that's who they are. This is this is a new era we're in. And it's pretty damn insane that we have people like Alysse who are so fear based and so panic based. I mean, these are our leaders. She's a leader just telling the truth, telling you she locked herself in the bathroom and was scared to come out, fearful of her life. That's that's a leader. She wasn't even in the main building.

No, she wasn't even in the main building.

Meanwhile, can I just point out we had Steve Scalise on the show who actually took a bullet on a baseball field a couple of years ago by some lunatic Bernie Sanders supporter.

And he was cool as a cucumber. You know, it wasn't good. We got to deal with it. But, you know, we got to lower the temperature. But if anybody had the right to go out there and play the victim, right, it was him. I just I me AOC constantly runs to playing the victim.

I make no comments on her revelation that she was the sexual violence victim. I, I have only empathy for her on that.

But the thing is, she she's always running to victimhood and it's just a massive turnoff. So I'm exempting that particular thing. But no matter what happens to Alsi, she overplays it like Ted Cruz did not try to have her murdered.

And the more she engages in that nonsense, the more it ramps up the rhetoric rather than tones it down, which is what smart people like Scarless are calling for and makes you look at her as you're weak and you're exploiting how divided the country is right now.

Yes. A, you make yourself look like whatever the opposite is of a leader, you are displaying all the qualities of a national leader and people are agitated enough. And all you're doing and by the way, it's all narcissism. You're drawing attention and focus on yourself. This is is horror's Aoki's experience of this whole thing. This should be a non-starter. It really it really should be. I mean, she wasn't even in the same facility. So for you, you're allowed aosis allowed to have opinions on it, but to feel like she was in fear of her life and to do a whole terrible thing and essentially just, it just essentially said she's out of control narcissist that that's all this.

I mean it's pure and simple. No one historically would talk about themselves in such a way. And for some reason the victimhood thing has become. The leader in the clubhouse when it comes to narcissism, whereas in the past it was about, well, here's how many medals I've won and here's the Dragons Slayer. Now it's here. Who was the most scared? Whoever was the most scared? It's going to get the most kudos. I don't know.

Is that what you want in a leader? Like, what if there was a war? Then the general who was the most frightened, he would be the most highly decorated because that's where we're at.

All right.

Let me shift gears with you and throw you something out of left field, because I just kind of wanted to ask for your take. On Marilyn Manson, now, I have closely followed the career of Marilyn Manson, other than the guy looks absolutely freakin bizarre and was always like with these beautiful women.

And I was always like, how is that possible? He's so disgusting. How is he getting all these beautiful, beautiful women to be bad?

But, you know, he's a rock star, so it happens. And now it turns out he's been accused by more than nine women or nine, at least nine women of very dark harassment, sexual violence, torture. He denies it all.

But I you know, you can't help but look at the guy and be like, I'm going to make some sense. I don't know what. Do you have any thoughts on it?

Go away a little bit. You know, he's a troubled guy. There's probably some substance, you know, sprinkled in there. He you know, he probably has these relationships and then gets into this role playing stuff. And then, you know, if you do the role playing right, I guess the lines get a little blurry, you know, and then you start, you know, once you start getting into the substance and you start getting into the role playing, then who the hell knows what version of everything is is is reality versus you know, his version of it is is everything is consensual.

It's role playing. Their version of it is it was beyond role playing. I do know how you prove that. You know, I mean, once you've once you've both once both parties have consented to the role play, now it gets kind of. Blurry as to like where that line was crossed.

So when you get nine women coming out accusing you, you're doing the roleplaying wrong. If your acting career is over, stick to singing. You're going to have to find some other way of approaching your sex life because clearly what you're doing ain't working or you're so good at it that you're that deep into it.

Oh, he was he was method that's not going to fly gone home. Yeah, I agree. I'm not defending him. I'm just that's my speculation.

No, I was just curious. I thought, by the way, when you say, you know, Marvet, have you seen him without the makeup? Like when you see Marilyn Manson in real life, does he wear the makeup?

No. When you see him in real life, he looks like Ted McCamley Junior from the Love Boat. And what do you think?

A good look at him. He was a handsome.

For making a joke. I picked the whitest blonde, best looking guy from the WB that I could think of me.

Well, not like most of the audience here, I think is pretty young and probably none of them got what the hell you just referenced, although I'm old Google Ted McGinley, Junior.

And and also we should start an Internet rumor that he's your biological brother, because if Megan Kelly has a brother out there, a male counterpart, a doppelganger, I think Ted would be the best we could do in that department. And that's a compliment to you and Ted. I'm flattered.

I mean, look, thank you for that. I do have a brother. He's not a I would say his personality is close to a doppelganger.

And by the way, not for nothing, but I actually just went down and saw him in Georgia because his son got married. And that's another. Unlike California, people went to the wedding. People were out on the streets. People were living their lives. It's a southern state, right? It's a red state where like people just I think they see risk differently. We went to the wedding and guess what? It wasn't a super spreader event. As far as we know.

My brother's been checking in. Nobody got covid. We didn't get covid. We brought our kids people responsible. It all worked out in the end. Which leads me leads me to my last question.

So California is not a red state. And we've had a lot of we asked our listeners to write in if they had any questions for you.

And the one question we kept getting over and over is, is Adam going to leave California? So what's the answer?

Well, you know, I'm in Malibu right now and it's so damn beautiful just staring at the ocean. But yes. Well, look, here's here's the deal. Will either have to have a Giuliani type referendum to California and just completely shake the place up or people who have jobs and pay taxes and want to raise their kids are going to have to leave. I mean, it'll it'll be one or the other. So my kids are in the ninth grade.

They've got a few more years or they're not in the ninth grade. They're sort of next to the ninth grade because they're they're not allowed to go to school in California. But they're they will graduate high school and then we will leave unless something happens. I mean, maybe they'll be some kind of turnaround, maybe will be some sort of Renesys or awakening. Maybe we'll get somebody, you know, maybe we'll get rid of Newsom and get somebody. Falkiner, I think in from San Diego, like someone who wants to run the state, like get some business and make it better, make a better climate and focus on homelessness and traffic and all the stuff that plagues it.

And then maybe I'll say, but it's not looking like it is Falkiner attractive. He's not Ted McGinley attractive if that's what you're talking about.

Well, you know, my husband, Doug, has this whole theory about how we really need unattractive politicians and Supreme Court justices, because otherwise they're really they start getting drunk on their own.

Why? They need the approval, approval of like sort of the Georgetown cocktail parties or in your case, the San Francisco cocktail parties. And that's a bad thing. We need people who are like, I'm a little grizzly, I'm fine with it. I'll get ahead based on my character and personality.

Yeah, I got to see Phalcon. O'Connor looks like I don't I don't think he's going to win any bathing suit competition.

So perfect. Well, I like to think, you know, this is one of my own secrets to success in my life is that I wound up, you know, OK, fine. It's not fishing for compliments. I wound up relatively attractive, but I was not an attractive child and that. Is important to my success in life, you got to get ahead on your personality, you got to learn how to be funny, you have to try.

You actually are not the one who was told you had to just sit there and look pretty. It wasn't going to work. So I think ugly politicians and ugliness in general as a child is not such a bad thing.

Conversely, I was super hot until I was 30 and now Lukšić. So I got all the wrong message growing up.

But you developed your brain and that that attracted.

Yes. Thank you for acknowledging that. Megan Adams, always a pleasure.

If you decide to leave, don't come to New York City because it's no better. But maybe we'll find a place in between and I'll see you there.

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But the reason we're having her is she's just come out with a new book called Pray P, r, e y.

And she has taken a very hard look at the crazy surge in violence against women and strange customary changes for women in Europe as a result of all this mass migration we saw, starting in particular in 2015, there was a huge spike. Remember Germany and these other countries taking all these. They were supposed to be to help refugees from the Syrian war. But what happened was a lot of countries and she's open about this, you know, Ayaan is an atheist now, but she was raised Muslim, but where Muslim men have immigrated into some of these European countries and haven't assimilated, they have been bringing, in some cases in far too many cases, attitudes about women that have proven very dangerous, very problematic, and how the courts and society and the media is helping them.

They're all helping instead of stopping the madness, everyone's too afraid to say you're going to have to assimilate. We're not going to assimilate to your views of women being second class citizens. You're going to have to assimilate to our way of life where women can be prime minister. Right. They anyway, don't miss this interview because it's very telling. Hayat, of course, is always has done her homework. And I think you're going to be fascinated and slightly concerned at the end of it.

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