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Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show your home for open, honest and provocative conversations. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly, welcome to the Megan Kelly Show today on the program. Candace owns the one and only. She's amazing and she's here. I'm psyched. She's got a new show, everybody. I don't know if you check this out, but if you haven't, you need to. It's on the daily wire and it's called appropriately, Candace, and it shows sort of the full Candace Selwyn's right.

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It's not she's she's not all barbs and elbows. Now, finally, you'll get to know her as the person she truly is. So, anyway, we're going to talk a little bit about it. We're going to talk about new motherhood.

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She had a baby January 13th, and we get into her fight with Cardi B, her fight with a Democratic lawmaker, a politician, I should say, who has been coming after her for years.

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And she finally wound up calling the cops on this guy and basically forcing him to leave politics. How about that?

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She's got feelings on the trial of Derek Shelbourne, the police officer accused in the death of George Floyd and of course, the latest covid restrictions and how we might all need passports to get around and mandatory vaccinations for children potentially.

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So anyway, you're going to enjoy the interview. She's fun. She's spicy. She's awesome. We'll get to her in one second. But first, this.

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Now I am constantly cold. Hammond.

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Candace, Haymaking, how are you? I'm good, how are you? How's everything? Pretty crazy, but good life's blessings. No, no complaints. House new motherhood. It is good. Breastfeeding is exhausting. So I think I have a nice, bitter place in my heart for people who say they love it. I love breastfeeding. Look, stop. Stop it. No, you don't. I love you.

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For all the weight it took off me, honestly, that showed I shed pounds so easily. It was I was like, I love this baby even more.

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Yeah. I think I love it. I loved it exactly for that period of time. And now it's just a chore.

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Well, it's hard for working, right. It's so hard when you're working because it's not so hard. Yeah. Make the break.

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And I know it's hard because you just had you just had him in January. He's how they're doing.

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My mom just turned 11 weeks.

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OK, so that's tough. I went back after I had my third child. I went back after nine weeks and can I say it was too early? I, I like that one.

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That one hurt. He was so little and it just seemed like too early to go back. I did it because we were launching the Kelly File and I know you're launching a new show, so you do what you got to do. But I had to do it seven weeks, right?

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It does. Yeah. I was like, no, it's seven weeks is was too fast, but and it's just hard because you're just trying to your whole day revolves around your boobs. It's just incredible.

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You know, it's true weird.

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But I'm well I want to go I want to get I want to get to more of that later. The new show and the new baby. But let's let's start on speaking of kids on this good news, Candice, because they're they're testing the vaccine, the Fizer vaccine on 12 year olds, 12 to 15 year olds.

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And they want us to celebrate that it's working really well.

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And look, I like good news about the vaccine in general, but you know where this is going to lead. We are definitely going down a road of you must do it for your kid to get back into school.

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And this this is not well tested. I don't want to test it on my kid. I'm not anti backs.

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I will definitely take the vaccine against covid, but I am not giving it to my soon to be twelve year old in order for him to return to school. The risks are too low to him of actually getting covid and the vaccine and its long term effects are two unknown. What do you think? I completely agree, and it's so funny because when this whole covid-19 thing broke out, you know, I think I was called a conspiracy theorist and several articles because I had said that it was so obvious to me that this was going to lead to mandatory vaccinations.

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It was just the way that they were censoring anybody who said anything against the narrative. And I'm talking common sense stuff like what you just said. I tweeted this, that it is to me the concept of put it in is the vaccine in the arms of children when they have a virtually zero percent chance of dying covid-19 it's virtually zero percent. And this obviously has not gone through long term trials. This has been around for a decade. And you could say, OK, here's what happened to everybody who got this vaccine 10 years later.

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You don't know how it's going to impact fertility. Imagine giving your child the vaccine and you find out 15 years later that everyone who got that vaccine had fertility issues. I find that to be, as a parent, irresponsible. I tweeted that and they slapped a missing missing context, misleading label on this on Twitter. And then you found the link. And there's nothing misleading. They just say, oh, well, people, it's been said that this is that this vaccine is safe and effective.

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And it's like you did not you did not actually debunk anything I said in this tweet, which is that in my opinion, it's irresponsible because kids are fine if they get this virus. There haven't been no children dying over 19. And so it's crazy to me that we're getting into this place where they are going to try to force parents to make this decision. And it's a very critical decision. I certainly will not be amongst the parents that is getting this vaccine for my children know me.

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Neither am I could have been totally vaccinated and all the other fronts. I actually don't love it when parents don't get like the MMR vaccine because it's like, all right, now we don't want a resurgence of measles.

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But I understand it's personal choice. But this is at least we've had long term studies on those vaccines, covid-19. We've been around a year.

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So don't let anybody try to tell you that they've done some long term study on it. And like you say, the risk is so low.

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This is like to me, this seems like an outcome of the paranoid teachers unions who are continue to push for zero risk.

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Zero risk is what they say for them to return to the classroom. Right now, Candice, I just looked it up. Only 50 percent of schools are back in session full time in person. Still, 50 percent of the nation's schools are either virtual, one hundred percent virtual for at least half virtual because these teachers unions who continue to say zero risk or we don't go back.

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Well, let me just tell you, Meghan, you're going to be so excited to learn. At least they are providing in-person construction for the migrants at the border. So at least Ultracal percent, true? Yes. Yesterday, yes. There's in-person in-person learning for migrants that are in these centers at the border. And I promise them this is the uproar yesterday on Twitter because a California parent wrote this. I'm really glad that they're allowed to have in-person teachers go down for the migrants at the border.

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But we don't have that for our students here in California. And I just said, how is this real? But yeah, so that's right. And most most children are still learning, virtually even the children that are going in school. I know a family in New York City. Their kids are behind plexiglass and they still have to learn virtually in the classroom. So there's a big screen because there's not actually a teacher. A teacher is instructing. So, I mean, it's bizarro land for these, again, very low risk children.

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That's been one of the things like at Dalton, which is all about equity. And, you know, there's been a big uproar about that school this year. The parents there who are far left people for the most part. I mean, they finally said we've had enough with all your crazy critical race theory in every single class, in gym, in art and in health class, all of it. But they for a long time, maybe still we're only allowing the teachers to teach virtually.

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And even if the teacher showed up at the building to teach, one parent was telling me the teachers had to go into like a little cubicle and teach from. They weren't allowed to walk into the classroom with these kids who were in the class ready to learn because it wouldn't be fair to the kids who were sort of dialing in virtually.

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It's the it is it is insane. And you know what? It is funny because you are correct that the fact that this is because of the unions, you've got a bunch of lazy teachers that should have been fired a long time ago, but the unions protect them. And remember, that mass email went out to teachers during spring break saying don't publish any pictures of you at the beach on spring break because it would look bad.

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Right. So these teachers are happy to go to a beach down in Florida and be around a bunch of adults because Florida's a free state, as I like to say. And they have to be told, don't post it because we just don't want the blowback, because we still want to hold the line and not allow the students to come back to school and resume classes as normal again is laugh out loud kind of thing. But a year ago, they said two weeks of slow the spread.

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And here we are. Yeah. So annoying, it's like I continue to point out whenever we have this discussion, our teacher, you know, we pulled our kids and put them in a new school. Our boys and our daughter is going to go in September.

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But my son's fifth grade teacher is sixty five years old. He's been in the classroom all year. He wears this mask. The kids do social distancing and they wear the masks. Hopefully that will soon end. But the guy's been there every day. He doesn't complain. And by the way, he's not trying to indoctrinate my kids either. He doesn't get political with them. He says that's for your parents to do. I'll teach you about civics and how the country works.

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A man, the good ones are still out there. But these are the bad apples. Give them all a bad name. Oh, no. We want to shift gears because speaking of the southern border, Jim Jordan was pointing out, you speak of the migrants are getting the classes, the in-person classes. They don't, of course, need a passport to come across the southern border. But now you are going to get a hard time if you if you want to.

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Basically, the Democrats are objecting to requiring voter ID. Right. So, like in Georgia, there's this big push back in their voter ID requirement. But it's fine for people to come across the southern border with with no papers whatsoever. And they're going to be given in-person classes as soon as they get here.

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Yeah, I mean, this is again, it just it's constantly seems that the Democrats attack law abiding American citizens in favor of people who break laws. Right. So you break into a country, will get you a hotel room. Right. They have a budget now or do buy them hotel rooms. And it's a ridiculous amount of money for that. And they get in-person training and teaching for these kids is they have to take care of them at the border while we feel like our children are neglected by American families are neglected and there are no solutions for American families out of work.

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American families are told that covid-19 is a risk, that they can't move around. Not a problem for these people that are coming in, obviously not tested for covid-19. Right. And surging at our border and being allowed into our country. And there seems to be that. There's no consequence for that. And for me, I'm married to an Englishman, so our family lives in London instead with London, they have not yet been able to meet my child because they are not allowing people to come in overseas from America.

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Unless I said that I made the joke to my mother and brother in law, why don't you guys just take a flight to Mexico and over the border and we'll see you tomorrow?

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Well, it's crazy because, you know, the Democrats are acting like the Georgia voter ID law is literally the reinstatement of Jim Crow requirement, just just like some basic voter ID constraints, which which the average person is totally reasonable. But the press has portrayed them in a way that's basically you're going to have to be tarred and feathered to go through the voting line. But when you when you look at what's happening at the border before we move on to Georgia, I do want to finish up what's happening on the border.

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It really is getting progressively disturbing. And it doesn't seem like as we see young children coming across and getting hurt, more like thousands of children getting endangered. Suddenly the same Democrats who were so upset about it don't seem to care that Biden has stopped construction of the border wall. And Fox News just aired a report with a with a border agent talking about how the fence is three quarters of the way done in his region. He's like, just let us finish, because the smugglers are sending groups of asylum seekers, so-called asylum seekers, through these gaps.

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They overwhelm the agents. Soon as they leave to apprehend one group, another one runs across.

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And all we hear from the Bush administration is there's no crisis. It's like Kevin Bacon in an animal house. Remain calm. All is well.

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And by the way, the Biden administration's second point is, and if there is a crisis, it's all Trump's fault.

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It's Trump's fault, which makes no sense to half of the people are literally carrying Biden floods because he's made it clear the entire time he was running for president that he's happy to allow people in and that Trump was a horrible, backwards white supremacist xenophobe for not allowing people to break into our country because that's what they're doing. Countries have laws. I would never dream of just entering Canada without abiding by Canadian laws, making sure I had a passport to enter legally, that I was recognized while I was there.

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I would never dream of going over it without recognizing their laws and being respectful to those laws. And so I think the reason the Democrats don't refer to this is a border crisis because it's for them, it really isn't. I've been speaking publicly for four years and I have warned black America that if Democrats ever got power again, they would dilute our our vote. And their goal is to import a bunch of new voters right. To this to them as a border plan.

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It allows them to really present to these migrants. We are the heroes. We're going to get to everything you need. This is the connection that one voter ID laws allow these migrants to vote and bank on them, voting for Democrats to keep their party in power. So to them, this is much more Machiavellian and they're not even feigning shock or surprise. And they don't want any cameras down there because this is how they intended for things to go under a Biden administration.

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That's the thing. So it's like it's all tied together, right. So you and I are going to have to get vaccine, passports, digital. Vaccine passports, it's another thing the Biden administration is considering for adults and our kids may have to prove that they've been vaccinated in order to go to school, but immigrants can run across the border where we refuse to finish the fence because Biden has basically welcomed them.

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I mean, that's that's essentially what the Mexican president is saying. They're running up there because you gave them the impression they would be let in. That's no problem. Then when they get here and they try to vote illegally, which does happen, we're going to be told that we're all racists if we require them to show any I.D.. Right.

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You see, like the circle and how absurd it is, it's absurd. It's a brilliant plan at the same time. Right. Demographics can change a vote. And this is what they're looking to do. They're looking to alter the demographics in this country. And like I said, this will further dilute the black vote. So if you're talking about racism, which seems to be their favorite catchphrase, everything is racist. Right? Well, what's more racist than saying to black Americans who are actually American citizens that your voting is going to matter less because we're importing a new class of minority voters and we're giving them handouts the same way that we gave you handouts when they implemented all the welfarism in the 1960s and the civil rights era and they said, you know, married black America to the government and they really converted black Americans into dedicated Democrat voters that way.

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And that's why it's been that way for six decades. But they need more voters. And black Americans are 13 percent of the population. And I really do believe that they're going to implement that same strategy to Hispanic Americans, give them tons of handouts, welfare programs, and say, oh, the evil Republicans take you away if you don't vote for us. Here's how you can vote. There's no voter ID laws. Sign up, vote for me.

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And that gives need to see the crystal clear plan.

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It's it's I mean, when they're talking about D.C. statehood and allowing all these immigrants to come across the border and then we're not allowed to question them to produce IDs if they try to vote or if they if we actually enforce our voter ID laws that that's then we're racist. You can see they're obviously looking for votes. I mean, Ann Coulter, for all the shit she's taken, she's been saying this forever. Like, this is a massive scheme to increase Democrat voters.

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And if you don't understand that, you haven't you haven't been paying attention to the Democrats. Pretty open plans on this issue for for a lot of years. And I do think that the vote there, they're very loud objections to these voter ID laws like the one we're seeing now in Georgia. It's all tied.

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It's all tied in and so is the media messaging on it can't, as we heard, Media Research Center, who I love, that's Brett Basils Group. They're sort of fair and balanced and they keep an eye in the media. They did a great mash up of what we heard in the press this week about Georgia's new voter ID law. Take a listen to the themes we're hearing.

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We're watching the Big Lie turn into voter suppression before our very eyes. How are you at the DNC plan to contend with the voter suppression efforts that we're now seeing across the country, states across the country, race to enact law to suppress voting. Is this all voter suppression in action? Extraordinary surge of voter suppression laws. There's a huge wave of new voter suppression efforts, Republican voter suppression efforts, massive voter suppression, sweeping new voter suppression laws in Georgia.

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Georgia's Jim Crow voter suppression law, the broadest attempt to make it more difficult for Americans to vote since the Jim Crow era before the Voting Rights Act. What is obviously a racist policy of trying to suppress the votes of non-white voters, obviously racist obviously can't.

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Just about the Georgia law is is put put in place by a bunch of racists who are basically wanting to go back to the time of billy clubs and firehoses. Yeah. And you have to appreciate this, especially coming out of the mouths of Democrats who are the people that implemented racism from the times of slavery, Jim Crow laws. That was the Democrats the longest filibuster ever in Congress. That was the Democrats actually not even just the Democrats, but Joe Biden's mentor, Robert Byrd, who was the Grand Cyclops, Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan.

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He was a part of the longest filibuster ever to stop Americans from receiving civil rights. But they assume that black Americans have a short memory because they are not teaching that history. And Democrats have always been behind the suppression of the racism of black Americans. They just learned a new trick, which is that what Democrats do is they essentially call everything racist, that they want black Americans to attack with. And so they expect us to react emotionally and not think rationally that what they're saying.

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If you think rationally about what the Democrats are saying by calling this a form of voter suppression or calling this racist and trying to refer to this as Jim Crow, you will realize that what they're saying is that black Americans are too dumb to get ideas of black Americans and black my whole life megadeal, not skip to even one day being black. And I don't know, a single black America is. I have a problem. I do. Because you can't do anything about it.

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Right? You can't buy liquor, cigarettes. You can't rent a car. You can rent out. You can open a bank account so black Americans walking around like Neanderthal's literally have never traveled, never complained. I mean, it had done absolutely nothing their entire lives because we just can't figure out how to Google Gambi. I mean, is that really what the Democrats think, that we're that stupid? And the answer is yes. They do think that we're that stupid, but they know that what they're saying is foolish.

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They think that we're stupid and emotional enough, which is, again, unrelated, but perfectly related. Why critical race theory is now being taught down the pipeline. The critical race theory ensures that black Americans become increasingly more emotional to the word racism. Right. So we react to racism so quickly that we don't think clearly and they don't want to see again. They want a reactive group of individuals and that is what they're doing. Look, this Georgia law, they want us to react to the word racist.

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There is no racism here. It's common sense. You need to do everything in this country.

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And black Americans are smart enough to get into critical race theory. I mean, the definitely the underlying message is that blacks actually are second class citizens, that they just don't have the the skills to make it in a white man's world. And so we're going to have to bend all the rules and lower the standards for black people to compete. I mean, it's unbelievably insulting. And just to just to go back onto what the law actually says, because at first I was on vacation, I wasn't really paying attention.

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Then I took a hard look at it. And by the way, Rich Lowry of National Review has a great piece on this, which I'm looking at now.

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So you have to write your driver's license number on your absentee ballot envelope, OK? The new law expands weekend voting. The new law limits ballot drop boxes to places they can't be tampered with. Those are a new thing anyways. In the wake of covid, they're just making sure you can't mess with it and sort of create voter fraud that the you have to provide a driver's license or a statewide number to apply for a ballot. And then you have to provide one of those numbers when you're returning the ballot.

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And then the thing that's made all the news is you can't distribute food.

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It bans people from distributing food or drink to voters who are standing in line.

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And that's the thing Joe Biden keeps like, oh, my God, what kind of a state would ban the distribution of food or water to voters standing in these long lines? It's obviously an attempt to suppress the vote.

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And when I first heard that, I was like, oh, that is bad, that they shouldn't do that. But it's B.S. It only bans the partisans who are basically like, how would you like a cookie in a water? Is it Budden? Amazing.

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They're trying to prevent the partisans from going, but they are allowing the poll workers to provide food and drink for general use.

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So if that's a lie, too.

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Right, right. And they want to be. And that's exactly right. They're trying to avoid the intimidation that happens at the polls or people are going around trying to influence the vote and that. And by the way, even saying that not providing food and water, I mean, I even insulted by that. I don't think it's really the responsibility of anybody but themselves to figure out if this is going to be a long line. And I think it's in part, do we need to pack sandwiches?

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We need to pack water. I mean, you're not eating out like these lines are 16 hours long. You even put that into context. Like I mean, I, I, I walked in and I voted. And I live in a major, major city in D.C. and I want to get in the back and tell you, I think I was in and out of there in 15 minutes. I'm a big girl. If I if I think I need to get water and I say, you know what?

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Like, I can look outside the lines really long right now. I'm going to go grab some water, grab a snack. So even that this is like this is coddling of the American the American burset, like where you go to the DMV. There are long lines. I mean, there are long lines all around America. Long lines are not a form of abuse. You decide whether or not you want to go into this like this is a good time for you to go on the line.

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If so many other things you can do, like what we were just talking about, you can go on a different day. You do vote early. You can request if you have the means or you need it to have an absentee ballot. So even that is a form of bigotry, of low expectations. But we just don't know how to beat ourselves. If there's a lot, you know, it's reminding me of.

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When I covered the inauguration of Barack Obama in January of 2009, it was a freezing cold day.

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And I was actually out on the National Mall for Fox. And people, of course, were so excited and especially black voters were there in droves to to cheer him on and celebrate his victory. And I interviewed so many people out on the National Mall that day. And I there's this one clip that went viral. It was so fun. We all loved it of me speaking with these two. Oh, I don't know if I'd say older, but let's say sixties black women who had on these big, big puffy coats.

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And they opened up their coats because I'm like, how are you going to make it to this day? It's a long wait.

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You had to get there at the crack of dawn, then just wait all day and they open up their coats again. Then it's like she's pulling out. I mean, it was like, you know, the magic box that we used to see on that. Oh, what was that show when I was a kid? I can't remember anyway.

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It was like bottles of water and a ham sandwich and crackers, cookies.

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And like people understand how to provide for the. Selves, if they're going to be standing outside for a long time. Yes, I lived in New York freezing cold. These people who are wrapped around like 18 blocks waiting for Justin Bieber tickets. I mean, people had mattresses, mattresses laying on top of Justin Bieber tickets. I mean, think about Friday. What what is the Friday before Thanksgiving, Black Friday, when people are people are wrapped around the lines for a big screen TV from Best Buy.

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And so it's like you'll be shocked at how crafty people can be when they actually want something. Right. And so this idea that suddenly it's like, oh, like all people just don't know how to do this. It's it's just complete B.S. And I refuse to be into that nonsense. Black Americans, all Americans are capable of making sure they are taken care of if they do encounter a long line, which is not the standard. It's not like there are tons of long lines everywhere.

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I'm voting day. There are some, absolutely. But we're not talking about twenty four hours standing in line here and here in New York.

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They'll wait all day just to get a Magnolia cupcake, which is delicious. But by the way, there's a sister company to Magnolia, I mean, its sister shop called Beliz and there's never a line at Beliz and it's exactly the same thing. So Krispy Kreme doesn't I mean lines for every day.

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That's an insider tip. But now, meanwhile, Biden is calling for Major League Baseball to move the all star game from Georgia.

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That's that's what he was pushing for and basically suggesting that Georgia be boycotted for passing a law with which he disagrees, or at least is saying that he disagrees in order to pacify his base. So, so much for the unity and the healing. He's going to be president for every state he's going to, except for the purple ones that want to enforce voter ID laws.

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I mean, he's he's a partisan hack. And, look, the rich irony of that is that California is no longer the home of movie making. Georgia is LNA is because people got tired of the taxes in California and now they're not making a movie for him to even say that. It's just it's so disturbing. It's so disturbing that you're literally doing something that ensures that our elections in the future have integrity and the Democrats are opposed to that. And it makes you wonder, right, these are the Democrats that said there was absolutely no voter fraud rate.

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Everything was above Bar I. Everything was just done perfectly. Right. We Joe Biden really is the most popular president of all time. Is that 80 million plus votes more popular than Barack Obama was? Well, so what are they what are they so fearful of? Wouldn't they want another totally above board election process? Right. So it just kind of makes you wonder.

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Mm hmm. Yeah, no, you're exactly right. And, you know, we'll we'll see what happens with with all that. But one of the things I was thinking about was, you know, CNN is based in Atlanta, Georgia. They're going to leave their into partisanship. Right. They are active partisans now. Are they are they going to take a stand? They're going to move everybody up here to New York.

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Great question. Let's start with CNN will follow CNN.

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Coming up in one second, we're going to get into the latest nonsense over at CNN, which thought it would be a good idea to set out an article reminding us, and I quote, It's not possible to know a person's gender identity at birth and there is no consensus criteria for assigning sex at birth. There isn't. There is it? We'll talk about it. But first, this. You know, one of the reasons you don't want to go into the store to find blinds is because you don't have your windows there, you don't have your measurement.

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What the hell? Right now, it's not possible. What there were all these responsive tweets online saying, why don't you just look below the waist? I don't know. Figure you had a boy, right?

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We seem to be going backwards, but I will say this. It seems more and more that what they're after is really just like there's something so misogynistic about this attempt to race women and what it means to be a woman. And increasingly with this transgendered movement and and saying men, biological men or just men that need to be allowed into women's sports and that even saying the word female has become a form of bigotry in a lot of places and and saying that allowing children to pick their genders, which might be a form of child abuse, that children shouldn't be allowed to pick anything on even their own.

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Right. Because if they were allowed to eat their own dinner, they'd be eating sugar and sweets and snacks every single day for dinner. But they're not. Their brains are immature. There is a reason we are adults and there is a reason that they are children. And so, yeah, this entire league and I know that there's longer letters that have gotten to the acronym, this movement has become harmful. Yeah, I stopped them or activity, but it has become so harmful.

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And it does seem to me that the focus really does seem to be on trying to transform children. And it's very sinister. It's very evil.

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I know. I have to say, it's like I'm fine if you if you don't identify with your biological sex, I will respect that. That's not for me to interfere with. But you don't get to tell me that a theory that biological sex doesn't exist and that it's not possible to understand it at birth. Right. It's like that. It's all gone too far. And there was just an article about what's happened in Great Britain. Well, guess what?

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It's happening here, too, where the medical community is being shamed for saying breastfeeding like you. You may not be aware of this. You're not breastfeeding your chest.

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If you don't say chest feeding, you're being disrespectful, disrespectful of the trans community. It's like, well, fuck you, I have breasts.

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The fact that you may not want to call it that doesn't change what is sometimes a sweet, loving, nurturing, hideous, horrible, painful activity between me and my baby.

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Right. And that's why I say it's misogynistic, though, right? Like, there's nothing that makes sense. Like, did you have a child? Were you pregnant for nine months that you pushed the child out? You're going to tell me that there's nothing that makes me different from a man. You don't get the right to do that. And and so to me, it just it's astonishing because especially in the era of rabid feminism that we live in today, right.

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Where where women are screaming about their rights and marching and pussy hats and oh, my gosh, President, women are going to be sent back and all these things. Well, what is this? You want to talk about the patriarchy? What the patriarchy is away and called itself a woman. And now your boxes women in so many different areas of life. And I have been very strongly, vocally against this for the last four years. And again, the scariest element of it now seems seem to be preying on children.

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When you take a course now at the university level, they want me to list your pronouns. When you an elementary schools in California, they're trying to say that they can tell children that they can pick their genders while they're in school. Right. And they don't have to tell the parent because that child should be protected under LGBT rights. It's like telling your guidance counselor that you're gay. You don't have to tell the parents because it's the law in California.

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But yet it's becoming a part of the curriculum to say, Sarah, do you sometimes feel like Tyler and ask all these questions? That is really confusing. Children, children trust adults. Children are trying to understand the world. When a child comes up to you and says, oh, look, like for me, I was a total tomboy, mind you, for three years, that's all I wanted to do when I was a boy. I just like I know they had more fun, I thought, with a deeper accent.

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I wore baggy pants. Well, thank goodness. I grew up during the 90s where my mom didn't shave my head and call me Michael because it was trendy.

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Right now, what I grew up, I went through puberty and suddenly those boys that I wanted to hang out with and be became to me, you know, could I say now you're an Uncle Tom boy.

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I love that you live with this kid. This I had Larry Elder, who I know you love on the show, and we talked all about the movie Uncle Tom, in which you are a star. And I guess like it's a thank you. He sent me his team sent me a bunch of Uncle Tom, like Mirch includes all the time t shirts. And I was in AP, my assistant. Can you imagine if I wore this?

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Larry Elder is just he's one of the most wonderful human being. So intelligent, has been a mentor to me. And it is true. It's it's it's just a. Think of the times that we live in today, and I try to tell you that in the event last night, actually at a university here in Nashville, I just I just want to know it wasn't like this even ten years ago. But it is right in this country has radically transformed the idea that these children up the list of pronouns in every class that they take the concept of critical race theory.

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I mean, I never thought about the skin color of people in my class. You weren't taught to hate white people or to see oppression, to see my own oppression everywhere. Right. So it was equality. I was just another student. And they don't think that is true equality when they're not treating you like you're something special. And I'm not telling you that you are oppressed or privilege. Making my child biracial is that make him half privileged, half oppressed.

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I mean, what was he going to do in this world?

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No, you've got to lean into victimology, whatever the victim who knows, soon is soon.

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It may be really unclear which side that is. I don't like based on what I'm hearing.

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But on the pronouns front, did you see the that the actress Sarah Paulson, you know her. She's she's a lesbian. She's with my favorite actress from the show, the practice from the nineteen nineties whose name I don't know offhand, but she's beautiful and she's older and she's really cool. Anyway, they're together. So Sarah Paulson got harassed by somebody because you know, now it's not enough for you to be supportive of people who are choosing a different gender identity.

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Holland Taylor. That's her name. It's not enough now.

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You must you must lose your pronouns or your considered transphobia. So Sarah Paulson was told by some rando on Twitter to put her pronouns in her Twitter bio. And she just responded like, it's not for you to tell me what to do. Right. Like deeply offensive. Oh, I mean, the mob was unleashed on her. People are calling for her to be canceled. She's the star of American Horror Story. She's transphobia. She's a turf that's trans exclusionary, radical feminist.

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And I don't even know who's in that group anymore because even Gloria Steinem came out. She's supposed to be our number one feminist. And that's and she totally is for women just as long as they're liberal. She came out and was like in support of all the pronouns and the children being able to choose. And Abigail Shriver was calling her a turncoat anyway.

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Now you have to do it if you refuse to say your pronouns, even if it's perfectly clear what you are, what sex you are, you're you're phobic. You're transphobia.

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Yeah. I mean, they've been calling me Translocate because I refuse to play that game. And it really goes back to what you said about I am if you have gender dysphoria with gender dysphoria, by the way, is legally listed as a psychiatric disorder in the DSM, in the DSM five. Any psychopaths and disorder you have that? God bless you. I hope that you are treated fairly no matter what when you walk into it. We would never want to see these people attacked or treated differently because they have a psychiatric disorder.

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Right? We want a world that's kind. But then when you require that as a part of your psychiatric disorder, I have to pretend I have one. Right. So you walk into the room and you're and you're schizophrenic, Meghan, and then you think that I'm a tiger, that I had to then roar and pretend that I'm a tiger. But no, I don't play that game right. So I have to I don't acknowledge that you are actually a biological male.

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And I have to pretend that there's no difference in the way I have to pretend. It's by using, by the way, grammatically incorrect words like convey them or call you. They say that the babies.

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Can I tell you that they venting upsets me. That one's taken that pronoun. Is it? It's exactly it's confusing. You can't make me do this. It's like it's just it's really wrong. But they don't care. They don't care and teach people how to be right. They care that people feel good. And this is what the education system has become. And I just actually covered this in my most recent episode, which was inside the education system in America, is that the education system is obsessed with making kids feel good even though they know nothing.

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Right. So you don't know how to put together a proper sentence. You're using words like they to describe a singular person. They don't care because as long as you feel good and your self-esteem feels good, there's never been a time in America. This is a very interesting fact, serving time in America where we have had more degrees and yet kids are actually getting dumber according to state test scores. We've never had this many, so many degrees. Why are we handing out degrees in categories like you can now get that you can get a degree in social justice, you get a bachelors degree in social justice, you can get a bachelors degree in Latin X again, something that did not exist ten years ago.

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OK, why don't we look is I don't know what I don't either, but I do know that every romance language you would have to radically transform the entire language because everything is either a male or a female in Spanish. Right. La Mesa is the table. You cannot just say at the Spanish language no longer exist because you're so low. Right. So you can get a degree in Latin studies. Now, what the hell are you going to do with a degree, a master's degree, a bachelor's degree in Latin society?

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I'll tell you what I'm going to do. That is going to become a failure. Make any money, you're going to become bitter and angry at the world because the education system told you that you knew so much and yet you can't even make as much money as the guy who didn't go to school but knows how to fix an AC because he has real skills. The plumber is going to make more money and you're going to think you're so above these people because you spent your whole life being told by teachers that you're amazing and you're OK and you're brilliant.

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But in reality, you know nothing.

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Yeah. Now and now we're leaning into knowing nothing and trying to sort of say it's the system's fault.

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It's if you don't understand anything and you can't compete because you're actually not trying that hard or, you know, you don't understand that despite whatever disadvantages life has dealt you, there is a way forward. Look at there's so many examples of it. I mean, I was tweeting recently about Ben Carson. He's one that comes to mind. Single mom, dad abandoned them, had a second family, had no money.

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Mom couldn't read, found his way out because the message in his family was personal responsibility, personal responsibility. And now, of course, it's all the system's fault. And just just the other day, there was a cartoon on his office going around online. It was sent out by Jamal Bowmen in New York. And his his words were and he's he's black. His words were are our education system. And the problem with standardized testing and the cartoon that he tweeted to show our the problem with standardized testing shows a teacher sitting outside at a desk and in front of him are a monkey, an elephant, a penguin, a goldfish, a seal, a dog, a bird also standing in front of a tree.

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And he says for a fair selection, everybody has to take the same exam. Please climb that tree. So so if you don't if you don't do well in math or social studies, it's basically analogous to a goldfish not being able to climb a tree.

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And it's it's once again that his message is that minorities, black students, that's the implication here. They just can't do it. They're they're being asked to do things they can't do.

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And you know what I will say, I used to hold the position that systemic racism doesn't exist because there's nothing stopping me from doing anything in society that you can do as a white woman. But actually, I change my mind. I think systemic racism does exist because of what you just talked about is systemic racism. They're systematically teaching black kids nothing but emotional learning and at the same time giving them fake accolades, fake awards, fake degrees. And so what they're actually doing is intentionally dumbing down an entire group of people when kids are going into school and they're not learning hard academically, they're saying with standardized tests even matter when you're saying to them affirmative action, which is a fundamentally racist policy.

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So you just put you in school, they're going to pass you in California. They're they're they're proposing that teachers should no longer fail classes that don't show up. Right. So they're no longer allowed to suspend or fail black students and don't show up. Well, what the hell is going to happen to these black students again when they get out into the real world and they just been handed A's on the basis of being black their entire lives? What's going to happen?

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They enter the free market society. They're going to become systematically produced failures. Right. So if you're looking for systemic racism, it exists in these concepts of seeing these fake colleges, of being white supremacy everywhere. It exists in critical race theory, which is mass-producing failures.

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That's interesting. You know, I mean, I used to think and is that they would fail. People who continue to tell the message, you know, embrace the message of like the system has to bend to it to help me. Somebody who maybe is disadvantaged, maybe doesn't, you know, whatever, doesn't try as hard, who knows, but for whatever reason sees themselves as a victim of the system, that that eventually the system will eat that person.

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Because if they just lean into their victimhood and say, I'm not empowered to do anything to change my life, it doesn't usually end well for them. But it does seem like things are changing now to where the people who work hard, the people who are trying who over even minorities who overcome some of these challenges, they'll wind up on the short end because you can put all that work into bettering yourself and still be told, no, we're going to pay IMEX candy millions of dollars a year to spew this nonsense.

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And and he can make something of his previously useful, useless degree. Right. Like, suddenly your next degree is worth something because the school systems are willing to pay you hundreds of thousands of dollars to spew that nonsense here. And you can get into these great positions if you if you told the narrative the only career path is a professor right at a university and teach the same nonsense that you learned from generation. But that's only so many jobs. Right.

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Do you get your rush? Yeah. A shy person at a school, maybe run for Congress and end up like you and you. Not like that. That's very limited career opportunities. At the end of the day, the majority of people are going to become failures because no one's going to pay them to come in and teach you about Latin studies. No one's going to come in and say, well, you have a degree in gender studies. I mean, what does that get you?

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There's two genders. I mean, this should be that should be taught. Day one in school, kindergarten. You have a son had did four years studying this at university level. And that's what's happening. You're creating a generation of emotional failures that are coming out of college today. And they're complaining because they're so convinced that they deserve more money. They why is it so hard for them to get jobs? It really is, because they have no practical skills and that turns them into bitter, angry actable.

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Want to know who it is that has the time to go out and protest and wait for seven weeks on end? A bunch of failures. They don't have jobs, you know what I mean? In so many cases, white people. It's rich white people. Yeah, it was a bunch of degrees. I mean, the couple that grew even a Molotov cocktail in the police cruiser in New York, I mean, these were graduates from from Princeton.

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You know that even the top tier schools, David Hogg, is going to Harvard. I mean, that's something that never ceases to amaze me. The fact that David Hökmark is going to Harvard just because woke up is not extraordinary student.

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He just said, oh, you great. You're on CNN. We're going to put you in a school. So you're just you're now just giving people degrees for being woke, you know, because you take away your guns.

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I mean, he's somebody like Gretta Sternbergh who has become very politically active. And then but now if there's any push back to their positions, you get shamed is going after a survivor of a gun attack, a mass shooting in the case of lagger, Greta, who's got some some mental health struggles that have been well documented anyway. It's you know, they want to use those things as a shield, but they set them to. Side immediately when they want to act in a way that's much more salt, like in the rest of us will sit back and say, oh, we're not allowed to respond with, you know, we are.

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And one of the things I've seen you do, but you don't care. You'll go after anybody who speaks nonsense. And it does it really doesn't matter.

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You actually get people to respond to you like Khateeb, which I do want to ask you about. What can you just tell us what happened?

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Because you were on fire recently about it was basically some white guy who tweeted a KKK hat at, you know, what happened.

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So I had this guy who's been running for Congress in California for two years and just vitriolic tweets my way. And I just ignored it. He's one of these Democrats that is very sure that black America is not allowed to be Republicans. And hilariously, he's also the story. And you think that he would of for that historically. And it was we talk about the Klansman. They were hanging and burning crosses on the arms of black American Republicans. It was Republicans that were being lynched throughout the South because Republicans were the ones that freed the slaves.

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Republicans were the ones that obviously fought for black Americans have to have civil rights. All the Democrats contested them. But this guy is running for Congress. And on this day, he was upset that I had tweeted when Asian Lives Matter was trending, I decided to do what I always do. Look at the FBI statistics. Asian Lives Matter is trending and they're saying that we tackle white supremacy. Well, guess what? It turns out that actually Asian-Americans are being attacked.

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The number one violent offenders against Asian-Americans are black Americans, similar to Black Lives Matter. Right. This whole theory that white supremacy needs to be stomped out, billions of dollars raised for this idea, this trending hashtag. But actually, black Americans, the number one. Ninety five percent of black Americans that are killed or killed by other black Americans. Of course, we're not actually looking to fix the issue because that goes against the narrative. We wouldn't be talking about white supremacy.

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We'd be talking about why black Americans are are the biggest perpetuators of violent crimes in this country, despite being only 13 percent of the population. We account for over 50 percent of the violent crimes in this country. Now, those are just the facts. I mean, you may not like the facts. You may not make you feel good about hearing those facts because it seems so counter to the narrative that we're all oppressed and people that are constantly being attacked.

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And there are root causes to those facts. Sure, we can have a real discussion about the culture issues in black America, but nobody wants to have that because they want to score political points with the FBI statistics. And this guy became enraged and he sends me a picture of a Klansman hood and says, here, you drop this and he send it to me. And I just think to myself, the idea of a white man sending a black woman to explain what this could means nothing to him.

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It means a lot to me because my grandparents raised me. As most people know, my grandfather was branded by the KKK. His his the Ku Klux Klan was a very real thing that we discussed at our dinner table every night of our childhood. They chased my grandfather down. They sprayed bullets in his home at night. These were real people that terrorized my grandfather, who is still alive in the segregated South. And now this Democrat congressman is just so upset that a black person isn't acting as he thinks a black person should and that he feels comfortable going it.

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I mean, imagine what would inspire you to Google an image of a Klansman hood to save that image on your phone and then to send it to a black person?

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I mean, he couldn't understand why it was wrong. It's like, no, no, but she's racist. She's a racist. But I'm here to save black people by Googling this image of a president throwing at her. And you know what? And I said, you know what? I'm done with this. And I contacted the police and he's now done the video. He stepped away from politics completely. So after two years of harassing me, I filed the police report against him and he realized very quickly that there are consequences for your actions.

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I'm tired of black Republicans in this country having to deal with real actual racism coming from white Democrats in the name of saving black people. And they just can't understand you are the racists.

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Oh, my gosh. That is brilliant. Good for you. I think I think I have my whole audience. Good for you.

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Because that's the thing is like, as I was saying, Gloria Steinem, she loves all women unless they're Republican. Right. And the same thing with these white liberals that they they're totally in on board and in favor of black people. Unless they're Republicans, unless they're conservatives, then you can say whatever you want about them. You can use the Uncle Tom term. You can use the worst terms than that. Do whatever you want. And in fact, they do.

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They will. And it's no problem whatsoever. So nobody's making the point. You're no one's like their objections to some of that behavior on the part of conservatives writ large. But no one's actually doing anything like fighting back in that way to to stop it. And that's why I felt I was like, you know what, I'm going to take this as far as it needs to be taken, because people need to understand we're trying to deal with this.

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You should not be allowed to be openly racist.

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I mean, could you imagine if you look at Ted Cruz, Google Ku Klux Klansman and sent it to a black Democrat? Sheila Jackson or Maxine Waters, could you imagine the whole world can vote, you know, a baby? So he did post a video. He's completely pulled back from that party. He's no longer running. He was running. And so he completely stomped out. And I wanted to also fire that shot as a warning to these white Democrats that for whatever reason, are feeling the authority to speak to me in that direction, that I'm not playing around the stuff anymore.

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If you're going to be racist, you're going to play by your own rules.

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Yes, well, it's great. I mean, we talked about this last time, but you testified before Congress and you had two white women. They are trying to say, is it white Splaine trying to white Splaine to you? And you were like, hey, you know what? Like, if somebody else were doing this, too, if it were like a white Republican doing this to a black Democratic woman, you would never allow that. Right.

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Like, you don't get to lecture me on what it's like to be black and the plight of black people sitting over there with your lily white skin. And.

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Yeah, and I think about a meaningless degree, meaningless degrees. That woman, Cathy, Billu, what's her name, I believe. Right. She had masters degrees, a doctorate in white supremacy, talking about meaningless degrees. This woman has spent something like 12 years in school learning about white supremacy, and she's so sure of herself, so sure of what she knows that never occurred to her that maybe you can't learn how to be black in a book, that maybe the closest she would ever get to really understanding it would be to ask a black person sitting to the left of her what they're actually experiencing.

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But you need to understand that she's writing the book, what it's like to be black and I therefore and doing it wrong. I mean, this is the kind of idiocracy that that's going on in this country right now. You're just giving me nothing and you're mass-producing a bunch of idiots. Up next, we're going to talk about the latest in the trial of Derek Chauvin and what Candice thinks ought to happen to that officer accused in the death of George Floyd.

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But before we get to that, we're going to bring you a feature that we have here on the program called Asked and Answered, where we try to address some of our listener mail and the questions that are on your minds. So Steve Krakauer monitors the account for us. He's our executive producer and he's got the latest. Hey, Steve.

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Hey, Megan. This comes to us from our e-mail address questions Devil May Care Media Dotcom, if you'd like to get your question answered, like Jenny Price is here today. So she wants to know. She said she's heard you referred to the fact that your three kids were conceived using IVF. And like so many women and she's in her early 40s trying to conceive her second child through IVF. And she'd love to hear your thoughts about IVF because it seems to be really taboo subject.

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And she says, I think a lot of women struggle with the loneliness of feeling like they can't do something that other women can with seemingly little effort.

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Hmm. That's a good question. You know, thank you for that.

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I, I think it's important to talk about because can I tell you, I did not talk too much about it when it was actually happening because when closer to the event, I did feel some of that public pressure, like there's something wrong with you if you have to if you have to go another route to get pregnant. And like there's definitely people who judge you for waiting too long.

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Well, it's like I only met my husband. We didn't we got married. I was thirty seven. I had my first kid when I was thirty eight.

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So it's like, yes, sometimes love life doesn't deliver you the person you want to have children with until later in life.

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I don't know. There is a stigma around it and it's kind of B.S. because first of all there are ways to do it to be conscientious if you don't wish to create extra embryos. We were in the fortunate position of not having to worry about that.

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So I was grateful we used all the embryos that we made.

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But I do think, you know, that quest for for wanting a baby so desperately can be overwhelming. And I know how it is, because when you want to get pregnant and you can't get pregnant, all you see around you are pregnant women there everywhere.

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You never notice them when you're just a regular civilian. But when you put on your mom to be eyeglasses, you all you can see our moms to be at every corner of your life.

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And it can be depressing, you know, that that the desire to have a child can be totally overwhelming.

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And it's unlike any other desire I've ever had in my life once it kicks in, because I'm somebody who didn't even know if I wanted kids for the first ten years of my career and certainly my first marriage, I didn't think I wanted them. But anyway, bear in mind, it's much more frequent than people admit to. A lot of people do, and they keep it on the down low. There are lots of techniques that can help you get pregnant short of IVF as well, though not.

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Not as close to a guarantee, Ives', not a guarantee, but it's it's the closest thing we've got. And to know this. If it doesn't work out. There are amazing meaningful options awaiting you, not only are donor eggs a possibility, and I know people who have used donor eggs and it's a wonderful choice because if you can't produce the eggs that you need to, it's still allows you to carry your own baby. And the baby's yours 100 percent.

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It's yours 100 percent. Right. And adoption. I had very good friends in Virginia who tried. They were both lawyers, tried very hard to get pregnant, couldn't do it. She was older. You know, we're all advanced maternal age when you're like over twenty nine, basically, I don't know with ages, but I sit on all my charts.

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I am like, what, what does that stand for. So she was struggling because she was amay. And ultimately, they couldn't get pregnant and they wound up adopting a baby and she really struggled with it, you know, people want they want, I think, their biological child, there's something primal about that need and really thought it was going to be a thing. And long story short, she wound up adopting that daughter and then a second daughter, she and her husband.

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It's not a thing.

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It's not the fact that the child's not biologically yours is totally forgotten just as soon as you embrace the child.

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And I have another great friend of mine from childhood who's got a daughter, like the fact that this child was carried inside of you and wasn't birthed by you and doesn't share your genes, it's irrelevant to your love for them, the joy of having a child in your life, the fun of raising a child, the challenges of raising it to all of it.

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And I just think, if anything, adoption gets a a worse rap, then it should not. Not to say it's easy, you know, that that can also be nerve wracking and, you know, painstaking for parents, but it's worth it. All of it is worth it. Once you if you get that blessing of getting pregnant and getting the child or adopting a child, it's like all the struggles forgotten in the same way you forget childbirth. You forget this, too, you know.

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And I just think of all the things that have meaning in my life, of all the things that have brought me joy in my life, there's nothing quite like children, you know, there's just nothing quite like that love and holding them and seeing them smile and their silliness and the youth it brings back in your own life and the the reliving of joys that you had when you were a child, that that's another gift they bring to you.

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So it's worth trying, even though it can be. A painful, painful process, and I'll just tell you one funny story before I go about my own IVF IVF experience. I was down at the beach. You know, we go to New Jersey in the summers there, and a woman I met who was super sweet, I really liked her, came over to me and she was like, you know, I I'm a fan and I've read your book.

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And I just want to tell you, I feel kind of close to you. And I in particular feel kind of close to Thatcher.

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And I was like, oh, why? He's our youngest. She's seven. And she was like, well, I was in the room with you when he was conceived.

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Like what?

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She was one of the doctors I use this guy named Dr. Jamie Grifo for my IVF, but she was another doctor, young and maybe in training or just starting out. And she was apparently in the room. And I am like, so.

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So what you're saying is you've seen my badge leave it to me to go right to the nine year old boy humor.

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And she laughed and confessed she had. And anyway, it's just sort of now it becomes a fun memory. It'll be a fun thing to explain to them when they're older.

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So my advice is keep trying and know that, look, ideally, you've got a meaningful partner already and that too can be a massive source of joy in one's life. So God forbid it doesn't work out if that's not God's plan for you.

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I do want to get your thoughts on what we're seeing now with George Floyd and Shoven trial.

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I've been following it as a legal matter and very open minded to how this is going to go. You know, I know people have different opinions. I heard Ben, our mutual friend and your colleague Shapiro, saying the other day he thought this is a very uphill battle for the prosecution. I actually don't think that. I think that if I had put money on it would definitely put it on the prosecution side.

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But it could go either way. The defense has a real defense and they're starting to lay it out now in terms of George Floyd's drug level and what what did he actually die of in the initial medical report suggested he died not of a knee on the neck. So anyway, we'll watch it play out. But, of course, as you know, Candace, in any of these cases, we see that the typical race baiters, including Al Sharpton, show up to the scene, never, never misses an opportunity to exploit and mislead.

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This is the same guy who's still saying that hands up, don't shoot happened in the Michael Brown case. A lie, according to Eric Holder.

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You don't have to believe Megan Kelly. Eric Holder said it was a lie. He's still out there being treated like an authority. We have a budded sound bite of Al Sharpton and Benjamin Crump, who sort of he's drafting in the lane behind Sharpton right now and I think representing the Floyd family in all of this. But listen to what they said.

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Sabon is in the courtroom, but America is on trial. America is on trial to see if we have gotten to the place where we can hold police accountable if they break the law.

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Today. Starts a landmark trial that will be a referendum on how far America has come in its quest for equality and justice for all.

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So America is on trial and you tell me my prediction is America, in his view, is going to lose either way. Yep, exactly.

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America goes on trial. Did we not already suffer the consequences when they burned virtually every city across America for six weeks after George Ford's death? Can we can we get out of prison about this already? And here's why. I will say I very much agree. And I want to be clear that Derek Chauvin, in my opinion, is guilty of manslaughter. But there's no question, because I believe based on the full tape of what happened, which was barely released, that they did not want to get out.

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And somebody did the Daily Mail. And when you watch the full tape, it's very clear that he ingested drugs while he was sitting in his car. It's very clear for your toxicology reports he was dying of drug overdose and he said he couldn't breathe before he even got on the ground. He asked to be put on the ground. Actually, people don't know because the media is not widely reported because they had their narrative. He was saying, I can't breathe.

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He already on the ground. It's absolutely awful actually saying I can't breathe, say he was claustrophobic. They tried to put him in the car. He was already possibly arrested. But this was a man that was having he ingested some some drugs. The woman that called that one that he's acting like he's on drugs is acting weird. So I don't know what's going on. This is the man that was high out of his mind and died of a drug overdose.

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But could he have gotten the help that he needed if their children was not on the ground holding him with a needle the next there was time in which he could have gotten medical attention. That's a much stronger argument to make me guilty of manslaughter and that it was a horrible practice to not just say this man is completely capacitated. I'm not I'm not helping it. Could I help him by putting my knee on his neck and standing here while we say he can't breathe?

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So there's elements. I think Derek Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter. I would be comfortable with that charge. He is not the reason that George Boyd had an overdose. Both both of these things can be true. Right. The problem is that and this is kind of I'm sure what I haven't heard is that right now they're trying to get him a third degree murder. That's not going to happen, in my opinion. And because people don't understand the difference and why it was wrong to trump up these charges, a third degree murder charge could be Derek Shogan went out that day because he wanted to kill George Boyd and he killed them because he wanted to kill them and nothing else was involved.

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Right. He that does not happen. And I don't think it's likely and he does not meet the third degree charge you're going to see right across America. And I'm like, why are we saying this? Why not just get them for what? You know, you can get them on manslaughter, right. Being a crappy police officer could have done a thousand different things and sit them down for nine minutes and go this route. If you don't want to be mass race riots across America.

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So I say no matter what we're going to lose, society's going to lose.

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It's a law is a longer issue. And people should listen to Ben's podcast just in general because it's awesome. But what he was trying to say is that and it's we've got into this on our show, the show from last Wednesday, which people should listen to as well, because we flesh it out, but that the long and short of it is he's been charged with second degree murder, third degree murder and manslaughter. Second degree murder is it's essentially felony murder.

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You can either say you committed an illegal assault in the course of that somebody died.

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And Ben's feeling is unless his position is unless unless they can prove he intended the assault because they have to prove he intended to assault him, they're not gonna be able to prove the felony part of felony murder. It's like when someone dies in the course of a felony. And so he doesn't think they're going to go to prove that. And then a third degree murder is more like you have to it has to be like depraved indifference to a risk to society.

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And as I was saying the other day, it's like when you shoot into a crowd of people that's depraved indifference. I don't think it applies here at all. But the Minnesota appeals court disagrees with me and says that they had to say that the judge had to let them charge it. So we'll see what the jury does with that one.

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I mean, that once the courts have already had their say on whether that one applies and then there's manslaughter, which does seem to fit perfectly, they decide whether whether he should be convicted. But if it's perfectly it's basically negligence that is so beyond the pale that it's criminal.

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Right. And I think everybody agrees that happens. I think that that charge will likely go through. But second degree murder, third degree murder, I just because I've seen the full tape and he asked to be put on the ground, they were never going to put him on the ground. It just creates an uphill battle in the courtroom.

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Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing that a lot of people don't understand that he was saying repeatedly, I can't breathe before Derrick Shogan even got there like that, before he even got there, while he was still upright, while the police were just asking him to get into the police guard, say, well, unroll the windows and we'll put on the air conditioning. For you, I'm claustrophobic, man, I can't be in the car, even though he just can't.

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Meanwhile, meanwhile. Yeah, exactly. He was just in his car.

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He was in his car with the doors closed. Yeah. So the officer's going, why is the acting weird? What's he doing? What's he doing in there? I mean, and the problem is, is that the actual full length tape has not been seen by all Americans. Just that nine minutes show. That is next. They are operating with very limited knowledge of what actually took place. Well, but what do you think?

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Because my I think legally the case actually could go either way. I mean, I, I would not be surprised to have a jury come back and actually even say not guilty, but it would be extraordinary given the amount of political pressure that's definitely lurking in that courtroom. Whether it should be or not, I wouldn't be surprised. I think they'll probably come back with a conviction and I don't know what. But what do you if the conviction is of, let's say, just manslaughter, which has at most, I think, the sentencing guidelines, which would make the max sixty one months, that's not going to be enough for the people who want to see Derek Shervin Fry.

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That's what they want to see.

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I mean, you've got people like Chelsea Handler, she's out there saying, and I hate to quote this moron, so forgive me for even bringing up the moron Chelsea Handler, but she did tweet out so pathetic that there's a trial to prove she even killed George Floyd when there's a video of him doing so. Who else are listening to Chelsea Handler? She's an idiot moron. She's a stupid ass comedian who's never said anything helpful, who's running around quoting Louis Farrakhan, who is like the biggest anti-Semite we have living today anyway.

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Digression.

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But what's going to happen if if there's a conviction on a lesser charge or a not guilty verdict?

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I mean, she is completely out of her mind. And if she's not a stable woman and she's talked about her instability by saying she had Ebola and kills the whole time Trump is president, that's not stable. Please don't take your cues from a person who needs to be medicated depending on who's in office. But that aside, yeah, absolutely. You're going to see more of these WOAK idiots who know absolutely nothing about law legalities, trying to lead a herd of other WOAK idiots to think that no matter what happens, the conclusion is is unjust and you need to riot.

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Look, it's going to be a bad day in Minnesota no matter what, in my opinion. I don't see how this doesn't end up in writing. And these people are who get paid like these idiots like Al Sharpton to say the staff are doing nothing to help and they're just drumming up, trying to drum up more pressure on on these jurists. And it's unfortunate because there's a lot of them are scared for their lives. They're scared to look at this this case purely because the public doesn't have faith that they will be presented with that trial to hold your breath and fully expect I'm going into this expecting rioting and looting.

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So, yeah, me too.

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Either way. And even if they convict him of the maximum and they impose a big sentence, it's going that's too is going to be an indictment of America. So America is not going to come out well, in the view of Al Sharpton, no matter what, it it never does. I want to ask you about the other crimes that we've watched, because you've been this this always makes me feel uncomfortable. I got to be honest, when we sort of point to black crime as, I don't know, evidence of anything, I start to feel uncomfortable, know I never I try and never tweet out like.

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Black people behaving terribly as evidence of like where's the national story about this, because it's just like out of context and it's to me that gins up racism that makes me feel uncomfortable.

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I don't know.

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But we have seen some shocking crimes. One, the D.C. carjacking of this Uber driver, Mohammed onWe, last week, and then the other, this attack on the sixty five year old Asian woman in midtown Manhattan by thirty eight year old black man named Brandon Elliot.

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By the way, the guy killed his own mother in 2002 and was out on parole. I don't know if we should be paroling people who kill their mothers.

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And people are asking, I think legitimately, where's the national outrage about those cases? Right. About that the teenage girls who carjacked Muhammad, killed him, dragged him in his own car to his death. And this other guy who just randomly just I mean, the Asian woman's pelvis is broken. She's on her way to church. They don't make these national news stories, Candice. We don't. They run it on the local news. And that's the end of it.

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I mean, listen, I mean, I appreciate that you feel uncomfortable because people will assign racial undertones to it and people that always want to point out race when these things happen. But the truth is the truth. And we have to be able to discuss the truth or there's never going to be a solution. Right. So pretending that black Americans are not the most murderous, which is actually the most the most murderous and the most violent offenders in America, are black Americans.

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It pains me to say I'm a black American. Right. So it's something I'm proud of, but it is the truth. And if we could first acknowledge the truth in society and stop with this mass brainwashing where people say, oh, no. One, white men are only not a single white men, white men, white men like that is there is just no data or facts to back that up. We keep talking about white supremacy. And in my opinion, the reason we keep talking about whites privacy is because they don't actually want to fix what is happening in black America, which does need to be addressed.

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Now, if you want to present an argument on top of that, which people will do and say, oh, well, you know, maybe the reason black Americans are the most murderous is because of the history and living in the projects and all the stuff. I'd rather have that honest discussion than to pretend that white supremacy is an issue facing this country. Right. I'd rather you try to diagnose why it is that black Americans are the most murderous group in America, why we are why we are the most violent racial group in America, then for you to pretend that we're not OK, because one says, OK, we believe we're talking about it, talking about it is the first step to make the solution even alcoholic.

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Right. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Right. We can't get to the first step in this country because people are so afraid to talk about that because they get castigated, they get accused of being racist by looking at Epirus logistics. And and there is a cultural issue that under that is the undertone of all of this. And it is being aided and abetted by a dishonest media narrative where they only tell you the race of the offender if the offender is white.

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Right. So you will see white man shoots up a store, but then they'll just say, man shoots up, man goes on a shooting spree. If it's a black man, that is it is way more likely to be a black man and to be a man of any other race.

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It's like the the Atlanta massage parlor murders where the guy he was he was white and everybody said it was a white supremacist and he's unleashing this anti Asian hate driven violence. And then he came out and said it was actually more of a sex thing. Their sex workers and massage parlors have these sort of, you know, sex workers in them from time to time. And that's what it was about. The story went away immediately. It was like, first of all, we spent two days talking about how that can't be true.

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It has to be about the people being Asian. And then the story went immediately away. And the story about the black man in New York and the videos. Horrible. Let me tell you, I haven't worked in TV for a long time. When you have we call it hot video. Whether it's disturbing or not, you call it hot video.

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When you've got hot video, you air it. And then and if this had been a white man doing this to this sixty five year old Asian woman, it would have been a loop. It would have been a loop.

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Twenty four seven to make the point about white supremacy, as you just said.

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Yeah, absolutely. And by the way, like I said, I want to harp on the fact that what we are talking about are actual statistics. Statistics cannot be racist. Right. So I'm looking at right now a chart of the estimated number of arrests by offense and race up twenty. Nineteen, right. So in twenty nineteen, there were eleven thousand and sixty arrests for murder and manslaughter. Of those, eleven thousand sixty five thousand six hundred and sixty were black people.

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Five thousand seventy were white people. That's a dramatic disparity because black people are only 13 percent of the population. White people are sixty percent. And yet we are committing more murder and not negligent manslaughter when we says these are stats and we have to figure. And this is why you brought up earlier how I get into these debates with Party B and all of these people, because I understand that in black America we have a culture and it is very quickly starting to trend towards celebrating degeneracy.

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Right. And then going, I'm shocked. I'm absolutely shocked that this is that these are the statistics. Well, you have a woman and I'm switching here to talk about Khateeb, who just one woman of the year by Billboard. Right. This is a woman who has admitted that she robbed and drugged men throughout her life to get what she wanted. She's on tape talking about it. And yet they go, oh, that's totally fine. Doesn't matter.

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We're going to get her brains to put her on the main stage and we're going to let her be half way naked. How can we fix anything if we refuse to address the truth and talk about the problems that we have a sick culture right now, not just in black America, all throughout America. It's getting pretty bad. But I harp on black America because this stuff trickles down and there are just we disproportionately represented crime statistics. I do want to say you're right about casual crime.

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I should have casual meaning, just like not hate crimes, not not motivated by race. The stats you just said. But I should point out that the FBI says when it comes to actual hate crimes, crimes motivated by the ethnicity of the target in twenty nineteen, most were white. It was two thousand five antigen attacks where the person's race was known. The attacker where the race was known, 30 30 of the two thousand two hundred and five were black.

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Ninety five were white.

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So there is a deception when you say there's a distinction, Megan, but whenever a black person kills a white person, it's not called a hate crime. It's not a legal classification for it.

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Well, it has to be motivated by race to be a hate crime. And how do you know? So this recent shooting against Asian-Americans is being called a hate crime. But we know he was motivated by watching pornography. It just happened to be Asians that were in the salon crime and only the media is calling it that.

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The cops are not investigating it as a hate crime because the truth is there isn't evidence of that.

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Right. Right. That's that's absolutely right. But it seems to me to be and I'd be very interested in what. So I've never heard of a crime executed against white people that classify as a hate crime, Jewish people, but not white people. I don't think there was a justification for white people that it's called the hate crime.

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That's an interesting point.

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And that's a question I've never heard of it. I've never heard of something called the hate crime execute against a white person. So I'll leave that as a question mark. I just I've never heard of it ever. I'd have to say it just seems to be called a crime, which, by the way, just to be clear, all crimes are hate crimes. You don't do something. You don't something. You love them. That's exactly right.

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Right. So let me let me round up on the Khateeb things. I just got back from the Bahamas. We went there on spring break with my family and I was walking by. This place we go has this big, big, big marina and all these yachts come in from all over the world and they're so fun to look at and try to get a peek into.

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And there was this huge yacht and all these people were on board and they were playing Khateeb. And I thought, OK, I think that's Khateeb.

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And then I was like, oh, wait, no, that's Khateeb that there she was.

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She was there. It was funny because I had to do my podcast there one day. And and she I knew had been using the recording studio at some point.

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And I was like, oh, I hope I bump into her and I can ask her about Candice, but I would have that would have been so great.

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It didn't happen, but. Like, can you explain how did things go off the rails between the two of you, like she's she's been responding to you, which I do think is a testament to your power.

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I know that you kind of you kind of thought it was bullshit that Biden sat with Catesby. Like, you can't find somebody else who's more representative of the black community than Khateeb. Right. Things picked up again recently, like since then. So what happened?

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You know, it's one of those things. And Ben Shapiro accurately says that this is what they do off their message. And talking about the what they do often is that they do something that's so ridiculous and absurd that they're asking everyone to comment on it. So Carvey's walking down the street buying Starbucks and I'm like buying Starbucks and start talking about it. That would be like, guys, what's wrong with you? Why are you putting your pearls? Because a rapper is buying Starbucks.

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But what is she intending when she gets on stage half naked and grinds her project into the woman's crotch? She's attempting to drum up conversation. She's she wants to be perverse and subversive and and she wants people to say, oh, my gosh, I can't believe that performance. They really let the imagination. But then when we do it, they go, oh, my God, I can't believe they respond. How could they possibly take the ultimate gaslighting of, like, doing something that, of course, is going to garner a conversation?

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So I went on and I go on the show once a week. I do not pick the topics. You know how it works, Fox News, that they decide what topics are. And Tucker's team decided because of this offensive Grammy's performance to discuss these topics and I talk to topics. I spoke about her for 30 seconds. So it was the rest of the world talking about this performance. You were half naked humping another woman on stage. And yet this clip on Fox News really got under her skin because I called it a degeneracy and cultural corrosion.

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And and so she tweeted about this for 12 hours before it even made my attention because I was so busy and it really impacted. It's interesting. There is something about me providing commentary on her that gets under her skin, particularly because everyone comments on her. But there's something about me that upsets her. When I think about what that is, it's because I think when Khateeb goes to sleep at night, she's not happy with what she's doing. She knows there's something wrong with what she's doing because somebody says something about you.

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It's not true. I don't care if you follow me around, but she I think she actually lacks confidence. Right. Because there really, really is a horrible way to live when the only way you can get attention in other ways, like you can see or be heard is you have to take off your clothes. Let's talk about your vagina. I mean, I can think of nothing more demeaning than that. And yet they're trying to convince it's a form of empowerment by giving her these meeting with the Woman of the year.

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You're this we're going to have this. I don't think she's actually content with herself. And when she hears me spell it out, she hears a truth that she's very uncomfortable with me.

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I am in favor of talking about one's vagina in general.

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I think I've never had a very interesting conversation with Andrew Schultz about pubic hair, but she's crass.

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I mean, she's really crass in the way she talks about and we're supposed to think it's empowerment.

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I've really tried to think about it like, OK. I don't feel empowered when I see that dance routine or I listen to that song, I feel grossed out, I feel like this is so crass and so I just blew it makes me uncomfortable. But then I think. All right, so maybe maybe this is empowering for a black woman in particular who has been in a culture where she's treated as sort of second class to black men. And this is a way of her sort of saying, I'm in charge now.

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I control you. You don't control me, you want me. I may or may not want you, but I'm the one sort of wearing no pants in the family.

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I don't know, like I don't pretend that I understand the whole dynamic, but I do feel a little like, OK, I am sort of this white woman of privilege and maybe I should just not comment on it, but. And you're a black woman of privilege. You feel like maybe you don't get what why it's empowering for her.

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No, I mean, I'm a black woman of privilege.

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Why I came I came from absolutely nothing, but we came from the same. But we what we are we worked hard. But that would make Khateeb by that metric a black woman of privilege. So we're the same people, right? Then we're the same people. Khateeb, we're twenty six million dollars.

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Right. So me, you and her should all now be considered in the same box. And yet we are living a different life and she's living. And that's kind of that's kind of my point in all of this, which is just that, Khateeb, you are now in a position of privilege. You can actually inspire women to do better. You know that living a life like that, does it make you happy? You're not happy. You have a husband that openly cheats on you.

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You're filing for divorce, not filing for divorce. You don't feel secure in your own home. You talk about that multiple times. And guess what? That's a dead end career. When you have to be more perverted than the last time, there's really only so perverse you can be. There's only so many of us aside from being fully naked next time. Right. I think you're going to draw how much more attention you're going to garner on this path.

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I want party to be better. I don't dislike her. I think that she she misunderstand that. I think it's great that she came from nothing and she made a living for herself. But I understand that now you've made it right. You can you can be a little more comfortable in the things that this is the only way you're ever going to pay attention to try just being talented and not being controversial and perverse. Here, you have a good point.

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It's like she's made it now, and by the way, she's definitely not in the same position that we're in because I was not on the yacht.

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I was, oh, that's a cottage. But but you raise a good point.

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It's like it would be wonderful if she could sort of set an example for all the millions of women who admire her.

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I mean, young girls in particular love Khateeb. That, like this doesn't have to be the way, you know, maybe maybe you could lean into classi and truly empowered. And sex appeal is one thing. Sex appeal is awesome. Go for it. But like, it's it was just vulgar. Like what she did was vulgar. I understand the need to, like, embrace a woman of color and say, OK, great, you know, but like, that doesn't mean we have to sacrifice all societal standards.

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And frankly, I can relate to this a little bit myself, because in a weird way, I was in where I was in the place. You're in with Britney Spears a long time ago. Yeah. She came out with the song, If you seek Amy and when you sing it, it's fucked up.

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And I thought it was bullshit because it's it's played on terrestrial radio. It was at the time without any bleeping and all these little kids are singing along to it. And, you know, moms and dads, I don't want my eight year old daughter singing that in the car. And so we did a segment on Fox News about it. Like, this is kind of. I realize it's tongue in cheek, you know, what she's doing here, but it doesn't feel appropriate to me.

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And by the way, now the whole narrative is like poor Britney. She was totally exploitive. She never knew what she was doing. She knew what she was doing. I'm not saying that the press was great to her, that she wasn't exploited by her family and all that. But let's let's not totally disempower Britney Spears from having had a hand in her own career and her own choices. Anyway, it was funny because she did a video of the song in which somebody played me.

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So it was like the blonde newscaster being like, oh, the horror. It was like more of a global condemnation than I offered.

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But it was hilarious because one day somehow the actress who who played that part in her video was coming through Fox News.

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And one person on my team grabbed her and we did an interview of her and she admitted she was told to play me.

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But I said, it's like you have your rep.

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These people, they they put out these provocative songs, whether it's Britney or Cardi B, in an effort to get attention, in an effort to get you talking about them.

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And then when you do, it's like dear conservatives are clutching their pearls together. And it's like, yeah, because it's pornography, you know, and I appreciate that there are women that are actually porn actresses and I appreciate that. But at least they're not putting it on CBS, the Grammys at ABC. And also they say all the time probably why I'm not telling your kids to follow me so they know it's wrong. Wifey knows it's wrong because you say I'm not for kids and you need to watch your kids.

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You know that that is completely unreasonable. There's no person in the world that can watch their kids twenty four hours a day. That is where culture takes over. Your kids are going to go to school. Some other idiots going to have Instagram, a smartphone, smartphones, some other idiots going to play for them on their air, porn on their iPhone. They're going to go to a playdate. Right? Right. Now, you and I have been on this podcast for an hour.

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That means neither one of us right now knows what our kids are exactly looking at at this very moment, because you have to trust them to be around other kids. You're not going to keep them in a bubble all the time. So it's to me that I hate when they say that, like, somehow, OK, the parents, you just deal with it and I'm just going to be perverted and put that into the world and into, like you said, driving.

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It's on the radio. I mean, it's like, what do you want to say?

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So they're right. So they're on the radio. And she showed up on the Grammys. And apparently that was the clean version. Right?

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That was a clean version of that was the song in the performance.

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So it's like I would not watch the Grammys with my kids ever, because, you know, you're going to get very raunchy stuff and I just don't. But like, I did watch the Super Bowl with them. And, you know, last year it was Jaylo and Shakira basically showing their badge back to the vagina conversation. They really were showing their vetch, like Shakira had a little strip right down the middle. And I saw a badge. I did.

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And Jaylo was basically on a stripper pole the whole time. And I'm supposed to tell my daughter that's empowering, but it isn't.

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I don't feel it. I don't feel empowered by that stuff either. And so I guess that makes us evil conservatives who are just clutching your pearls. It's just like be something else, be empowering. I don't have to be to politics. I think Oprah is empowering. I don't like the politics, you know what I mean? This is a woman that came from nothing and made a career out of herself. And she's she's one of the greatest to ever do it.

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And in terms of interviewing people, I respect Oprah for that. I don't respect Party B, so there are other options for party that you can make music. You can be Beyonce, you know what I mean? She's sexy. Classy. Yeah, exactly. She toes the line right between like sexy and sex appeal in a way that makes you be like, yeah, I love it, makes me want to sort of learn to dance like that and have better style in my life.

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Right. And there's a difference between that and like feeling like you just opened up a Hustler centerfold, like.

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Well, that's exactly right. And that's what it feels like right now. Culture feels like a Hustler centerfold.

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OK, so now you really do have to worry about it because you're a mother. And that does make you look at the world in a different way and a much more like, OK, now I actually have to do something about things.

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It's not just about me what could happen to me, but I have legal responsibility for this new person. And I we talked about that a little bit while you were pregnant. Are you how is it like are you still drowning in the new period of motherhood to be thinking that way? Are you starting to think that way?

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Well, I will tell you, I didn't get much of a period of not being immersed fully in what's going on because I want to get right back to work. But what I will say is that I remember speaking to Ali Stucchi, who is a wonderful pastor, and she said that that motherhood softens her. And I remember her talking about other people often you and I think I've walked up to the top of you in the right way.

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And I'm having the exact opposite experience where it's hard for me because now it's like, you know, before we can talk about this stuff again, and it's like I didn't have a kid. So it's like I'm saying what I think is morally correct. Well, now the stakes are a whole hell of a lot higher because I have a child. So these conversations feel much more weighted. What I'm talking about culture, what I'm talking about, the LGBT agenda in the school.

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Is my child going to grow up in America I grew up in. And so I'm much more tethered to that question than that reality that these conversations that we're having there are very important. And the consequences of these discussions will be severe depending on what we land upon inside. So how are you doing it? I look back when I first when I started the Kelly file, twenty thirteen, I had had Thatcher, I went back after nine weeks and I had a three year old when he was born.

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I had a three year old, a two year old, and then came Thatcher is Yates is like just under four years older than Thatcher. Anyway, my point is three really young kids. I go back to work and I was emotional. I mean, you still have a lot of hormones raging in your body whether you want to have them or not. There were definitely some tears. And I had to go out there and do battle every night. And it was it was bizarre for me because I was out of the home.

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So back at home, there was Doug, my husband, and what I now refer to as Downton Abbey, because we had to get we had a nanny. We had a part time babysitter. We had a housekeeper. Yes. I'll admit it. I don't I'd like people to know that I had to staff it up because I don't want people to think I just oh, I just manage it all on my own bullshit.

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I had money and I spent it. So how are you doing it now? And are you having any of that emotional, you know, pull?

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You know, I haven't had the time to stop and be emotional, I will say that which in a way, I think kind of just put one foot in front of the other and kind of help just get back right back on the horse. And the first couple of days, you're kind of in a haze. You like how the hell am I going to do this? But because I have this sort of hard stop, I had to start my new show.

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I just got right back on the horse. But to what you just said, one thousand percent. Let me tell you, when the baby last week, the first couple of days shouldn't have a baby nurse, the third kind of now going into the third month. We do. We finally got help this last three weeks.

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And, my goodness, I'm able to sleep at night is a privilege. It's like, honestly, I'm beginning to realize the extent of the baby nurses where I live. It's about twenty five dollars an hour. And but let me tell you, like, I think they could have forced me to pay 200 dollars an hour for them to take out a second mortgage.

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I would have picked up and would have picked up a second job on the weekends to be able to afford baby nurse because it is a sign of its privilege to be able to do that. But it's not because I'm just saying all all home, all day, doing nothing because I have to get up and I have to work. So we've been fortunate that we were able to have that help as well. And I started pretending that things were normal and every week it feels more and more normal.

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So I just got right back on the horse.

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That's good. That's good. I mean, I agree with you. I had a baby nurse to people outside of the main cities are like, what the hell's a big business? And basically, I think it's the it's like the paid grandmother, you know, it's like it's a lot of us living.

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Yeah. Because, like, my mom was too old to to be the person who came and helped overnight with a baby. That was out of the question. So what does mom, frankly and so was like? Well, if you want extra help, what are you going to do because you don't have anybody else living in your house? I got you. You got a husband and you both would like to be well-dressed, especially as you go on, have more kids because they need you to.

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So you got you got to have some some gas in the tank.

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Anyway, our lady came at 11:00 p.m. and she left at 7:00 a.m. and a lot of my friends are like, oh, but you know, you want to nurse the baby.

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I'm like the baby. But the baby nurse would get the baby and bring the baby to me and then I'd nurse the baby. And if the baby have like a forever long crying spell, I do some time. But there'd be some relief. I could give the baby to the baby nurse and she was like an angel and really helped her. And, you know, this is yet another one of the things you get judged for.

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Yeah. I don't even wake up for the nursing. I do bottles tonight. I literally sleep at night and I give the nurse baby nurse the bottles and I can actually see those eight hours. It makes me a better person, it makes me a better life and it makes me a better mother to be able to sleep. So there's so much mommy fame. It's just all bull crap. You know, every every mother is doing something different. You have people that are stay at home.

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And and I don't even need to admonish that. It's very hard to stay at home mom. And you've got four kids. Your job might be tough. They might have to get to work. But, you know, so I nurse and I pump. I do a combination. And getting those hours to sleep generally just makes me a better person. So I do. It's not what everyone does.

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But I had a baby nurse with all three of my kids. We've had a nanny since my first son was born. My kids and I are totally in love with one another. Our relationship is one hundred percent intact.

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It's like don't let anybody shame. You had to, like, get the help you need if you can afford it. It's a luxury. If you can afford and try to find a family member or friend or somebody, you know, if you can like I there's no reason to shame women out of doing what works for them. I mean, that's that's the thing that pisses me off about like so I used IVF for all three of my kids and I had a C-section with all my kids and it was awesome.

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I, I don't feel guilty. I still have three babies. It counts even if you do it by IVF and you have C sections and I won't be shamed by any of these weird feminazi who think if you're not breastfeeding your child till five, your mother.

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I mean, feminazi culture is so dangerous. It's so backwards. It's again, not feminist because you should be supporting women in whatever capacity works for them. Everybody is different. My sister had to have an emergency C-section and she couldn't nurse and she felt so much guilt about that. You know, I was fortunate that I could nurse, but I was never I never in my head said I'm not going to use formula if I needed to. I haven't needed it.

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But if I did, I would have done it. Everything's different. And people woman to just support one another because we all know how difficult it is. We all know how those first weeks are. And when you're the only person the baby needs and the husband can't really help because your baby needs you. And we got through it and we're blessed and we have no regrets about leaving that we've done. And by the way, LaBarge the going to be able to afford a baby sitter, nanny, housekeeper, whatever it is.

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I worked my butt off before I had a child. I did things the right way. I, I wanted to save up because I knew that because my career was important to me that I wanted to be able to say what I can afford a baby nurse if I need one. So I have no shame about that either. Hard work pays off.

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Same. Same. I've no regrets. But I do think it's important to talk about it because it's like I don't I don't like it.

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Women are like, oh, six children and a full time job and I just manage. Oh, bullshit. You got help. You had help. Yes, so speaking of work and the new show, how is it going? So now we've had the big reveal. You've joined The Daily Wire. You're working with our mutual friend Ben and moved to Nashville and are doing like I don't want to say softer show, but like a little softer, more some more human interest topics and more.

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We learn more about you. And it's lighter at times and funnier. And like I just feel like we get more of the real Kandace. But tell me how you view it and why why you made the move. Yeah, it's absolutely right.

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It is fair because the media has done this really good job of creating this caricature of me, which is like I'm always angry. I always have to be on the defense because I have people fighting me because they just don't understand how I could be black and be a Republican. But I'm much more light hearted in my day to day life. I'm always joking me and my sisters. We come from a family of a lot of humor. We're always cracking jokes.

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And I wanted people to really see who I am. And I am a fighter at times. And I'm definitely the person that if you challenge me on what I believe to be morally correct and true, I'm willing to lock horns about something. But I also like to I think the best way to teach people is to have a sense of humor and to more than anything, be able to give women advice and to give young people advice from growing up in this increasingly toxic world.

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So this is sort of my advice column. Panel meets hard hitting interviews and always there's always a bit of fun. And it's really a really you describe it as all of the pieces of me. I write everything for the show. All the content is mine. So this is not like I'm being produced. And they're saying this really is a collaborative process. And I'm informing each and every episode about topics that I think need to be covered because they're relevant.

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See, I I, of course, understand the need to do something that just embraces more of your personality and isn't all hard edges and that my only piece of advice to you would be do not hire anyone from NBC to produce your show.

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No cook. That's so funny. They did initially the first episode, they said we should get you to do a cooking segment.

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And I went once. That's what I said. And then before I knew it, there I was.

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I was like, you know, my viewers and followers is like, why is this cooking? And I just absolutely. That's not me. So I nixed that idea right away. I don't know why people love the segment so much, but not for me.

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I cook at home, but that's the thing. So like when I was at NBC and I made no pretense of the fact I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And but those segments, as much as I didn't really love doing them rated, they rated through the roof. People like to see that stuff. So in the end, it's like I you on the shows, you're trying to put numbers on the board or you'll do what rates.

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But don't don't do it. Give it back. But you sound like you're enjoying it. Are you enjoying it.

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Yeah, I, I'm loving it because it's just having that creative control and doing something that I feel is so relevant. Diving into culture and creating a show that's for conservatives and not done at the expense of conservatives like all the other late night shows are just going to be conservatives for an hour or three. And yet we have more than half of the country that disagrees with that narrative. And so I'm for them. I am for having any discussions, being willing to talk about the truth and actually find public solutions, you know, being unapologetic in my in my approach, which is to just be a truth teller and let the pieces fall where they may.

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But now you're you're more Hard-Hitting news show that's still living. Yes. I never did a hard hitting new show, I had my podcast, and I'm not doing that anymore. Yeah, I'm not doing that anymore.

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I was getting notifications on Frager. You?

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Yeah, exactly. So I've stopped my Frager show, but Daily Wire has it in the catalogue and I'm instead bringing those people on for the interview segments of my Daily Show.

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Is it five nights a week or how often and how often can we see you? We're starting at once a week on Fridays at 9:00 p.m. and then we're going to scale up starting next year. So we just of really nailed down the format of the show and then scale up. That's awesome. Well, that's that's a reasonable workload for right now because, you know, you're so active, I know, in reading the news and tweeting about the news and thinking about it.

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So even, you know, just the one the one time a week with the new baby is plenty. And I look forward to watching it grow.

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And I know it's going to succeed.

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Just wishing you can. We can't wait to have you on the show.

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We're definitely going to get you any time. Any time. I'd love to. We could talk more about our our chest beating and our vaginas and our excitement. See you soon. Thank you so much. Have a good one.

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And what we've seen when we first talking about, you know, putting on comedians and having conversations with them, I was like, wait, is it is it an OK thing to do in the midst of a pandemic and race discussions and so on? What can I tell you? Those shows are so well received and the downloads are so huge. And what I realized is people are dying for a chance to laugh. You know, like that. I think they need to laugh is greater now than it's been in a long time.

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So it's fun talking to these guys who have sharp opinions on what's happening to America and, you know, our world. But our sort of a reminder, a living, walking, laughing, reminder that it's important to keep your sense, your sense of humor about itself. Chris DiStefano on the next show. Go ahead and subscribe now. Rate the show while you're there. Give me a review. Still reading them and let me know what you thought of Kandace in our discussion, and I will talk to you soon.

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