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He lives we all thought Merrick Garland was gone after cocaine, Mitch kept him off the Supreme Court, but Merrick Garland is back long after the left mourned his loss. The Democrats rent their garments and gnash their teeth. Merrick Garland is back. He is Joe Biden's nominee for attorney general. And I actually don't mind this nomination all that much relative to some of the other picks, because, one, it's kind of funny. Merrick Garland became this meme after he was nominated to the court and now he's back and be sort of like if Harambee came back to that zoo, everyone would kind of get a kick out of that.
But the other reason, the more substantive reason why I wasn't so upset about Garland is he was the most moderate of the Joe Biden prominent nominees. So I thought, OK, we can breathe a sigh of relief. At least he's not going with some crazy left winger for attorney general. And then Merrick Garland testified on Capitol Hill. He was grilled by a bunch of senators on his views. Turns out he's not all that moderate. Here is Josh, only Republican senator, asking a very simple question.
Merrick Garland, will you continue to enforce our southern border? And the answer, pretty weak stuff.
Do you believe that illegal entry at America's border should remain a crime? Well, I hadn't thought about that question. I just haven't thought about that question. I think, you know, the president has made clear that we are a country of which the borders and with the concern about national security, I don't know of a proposal to decriminalize, but still make it unlawful to enter. I just don't know the answer to that question. I haven't thought about it.
It will you continue to prosecute unlawful border crossings?
Well, this is, again, a question of allocation of resources, we will. The department will prevent unlawful crossing. I have to admit, I just don't know exactly what the conditions are and how this is done.
I just know it doesn't. Well, simple question, Merrick, will you enforce the law at the border? Well, e oh, boy. I'm Michael Knowles is the Michael Noll Show. Welcome back to the show, my favorite comment yesterday is from July 20 for pictures, who says the WOAK left says Blessed White Me acts more black. The WOAK left says, hey, how racist of you to appropriate their culture. Yes. This is the paradox here, too, with the be less white campaign that you saw from some of these corporations.
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Sure. Maybe the first question might lead you to think that he says, hey, are are you going to continue to enforce the law at the border as well? Well, I don't know that there is a way that you could there's no proposal to keep the the border secure, but then not enforce the law.
And this and he's getting into all this minutia. Then he says sort of platitudes like Joe Biden believes this is a country with a border. Oh, he believes it's a country all countries have borders, so the grand, brave, courageous statement from Joe Biden is America is still a country, at least for now. But then the reason that I don't think you can just chalk this up to Merrick Garland is trying to be really precise, is when he pushes him on.
It's a simple question. It's illegal to say it's illegal by definition to enter the country illegally. Will you continue to enforce the law? Merrick Garland changes his approach. So he doesn't just say, well, what do you mean by illegal? And he then says, well, that would be a matter of allocating resources. It would be a question of where we want to put our resources. So it's totally changing his answer, saying, well, you caught me, Joshua Hawley.
Probably not. Probably I'm not going to enforce the law. Really bad stuff if this is the most moderate guy. Garland is catching probably most flak right now for saying that, refusing to acknowledge that burning down federal buildings is domestic terrorism. I actually think here Merrick Garland is showing a kind of restraint. I actually think conservatives shouldn't totally attack him for his answer, though. It didn't sound all too great yesterday when he gave it.
Let me ask you about assaults on federal property in places other than Washington, D.C., Portland, for instance, Seattle. Do you regard assaults on federal courthouses or other federal property as acts of domestic extremism, domestic terrorism?
Well, Senator, my own definition is about the same as the statutory definition is the use of violence or threats of violence, an attempt to disrupt democratic processes. So an attack on a courthouse while in operation, trying to prevent judges from actually deciding cases that plainly is domestic extremism, domestic terrorism, an attack simply on a government property at night or any other kind of circumstances is a clear crime and a serious one and should be punished. I don't mean I don't know enough about the facts of the example you're talking about, but that's where I draw the line.
One point one is both are criminal, but one is a core attack on our democratic institutions.
So this answer filled with Garland's usual ums and and arms and stammering, is a little bit weak in that he's conflating extremism, which is a very vague term that can really mean anything you want it to with terrorism, which is a much more specific term. But I actually don't think that burning down a federal courthouse, for instance, is necessarily terrorism. And the reason for that is terrorism. Traditionally defined is specifically the use of violence against civilians for the purpose of achieving political ends.
And this is why if you attack a political target, a government target that is different than attacking an elementary school, those are those are different things, both very bad, but should be discouraged. But we don't want the definition of terrorism to become overly broad, just as has happened with extremism. Now, the reason this is a bad answer from Garland is the take away technical details aside. And conservatives should pay attention to the details. But the takeaway is he's not going to go after groups like BLM for burning down courthouses and federal buildings and other sort of government buildings.
And that's that's too bad. But still, I actually think he's getting too much flak for that answer, a much more radical answer even than the extremism terrorism answer that Garland gave. And this this is like sort of the third and final point. Maybe it's worth considering Republicans trying to vote against him. I don't think there's any way to stop this Garland nomination. I think we already we already stopped the main Garland nomination. But he gave an answer on the transgender question that, to my mind, shows he is basically unfit for this job.
He was asked a simple question, is it right and just and lawful for girls to have to compete against boys? In other words, does the law say that boys can just define themselves and girls for the purposes of, say, playing women's sports for the purposes of going into the girls bathroom? This is not a difficult question, but Merrick Garland seems to think that it is.
In my last 20 seconds, I'm going to ask you if you agree with this statement allowing and I'm not suggesting that's one way or the other.
I just want to know what you believe. Allowing biological males to compete in an all female sport deprives women of the opportunity to participate fully and fairly in sports and is fundamentally unfair to female athletes.
It's a very difficult societal question that you're asking me here.
I know what underlies know going to be attorney general, but I may not be the one who has to make policy decisions like that.
But it's not that I'm adverse to it. Look, I think every human being. They should be treated with dignity and respect, and that's an overriding sense of my own character, but an overriding sense of what the law requires.
The particular question of how Title nine applies in schools is one, in light of the Boston case, which I know you're very familiar with, is something that I would have to look at when I have a chance to do that.
And there it is. There is the answer. The Boston case is the case that a thanks to our good friend Neil Gorsuch, the Boston, it was the ostensibly conservative judge who totally, totally broke with conservatives and redefined sex as gender identity. In that case, I'm oversimplifying a little bit, but that's that's the take away of it. If Garland is saying in light of Bostock, I'd have to revisit it. What he's saying is, yeah, boys can compete against girls and girls can't really say anything about it.
When when he says, well, this is one of the most difficult societal questions, no, it's not. It's a very simple question. Can can men magically become women? That's that's the question. That's what it boils down to. Can men magically become women? And is there therefore no difference, really no substantial difference between men and women? Simple question, Merrick Garland doesn't want to answer it, he can answer it, but he doesn't want to answer it because his answer is radical.
When he says, look, I don't know if I'm making policy on this, if you're the attorney general of the United States. This is one of the most hotly debated issues. And you are going to have to interpret specifically this kind of law, then it is not only important that you know the answer to that question, but it is your job. So if you're going to in this sort of cowardly way, say, well, I don't know that I'll have any.
Of course you will. Do you not even know what your job is? Of course you will. But he doesn't want to say. And then he comes out with that very courageous statement. Look, my guiding principle is I think people should be treated with dignity and respect. Oh, wow. Oh, my gosh. That's almost as brave as Joe Biden saying I believe the nation should still have borders for now. Yeah, sure, buddy, great dignity, respect, we we all agree on that, but is it your view that we should force little girls to compete against grown men?
Grown, I mean, physically grown, I suppose they're the same age, but much more grown out, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're faster because men are different than women and lose their scholarships and lose their trophies and. But by that same principle, have to go to the men's changing room in the public pool or rather have men go into their change room in the public pool, which destroys the entire concept of men's and women's changing rooms, have to use the bathroom with men.
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Speaking of Supreme Court nominees. I guess in this case of successful Supreme Court nominees, unlike Merrick Garland, who was an unsuccessful Supreme Court nominee. Justice Thomas is the last tough guy left in America, the last guy with really rock ribbed moral vision, honorable mentions to Alito here. And I suppose even Gorsuch, even though I still haven't forgiven Gorsuch for that transgender decision, the Supreme Court was asked to hear a case, the final case of the twenty 20 election regarding mail in ballots in Pennsylvania.
There were lots of questions about mail in ballots in Pennsylvania because probably most importantly, the Supreme Court or I'm sorry, the Constitution of Pennsylvania. Prohibits the use of these widespread mail in ballots that we saw in the 20 20 election, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, in a very politically motivated decision, just chose to ignore that part of the Constitution. The US Supreme Court didn't want to hear about it. Then there was this issue of mail in ballots coming in after Election Day, whether or not that those can be those can be counted.
Supreme Court actually was sort of willing to weigh in on that, but now they're not willing to hear the case regarding the validity of these ballots. Sadly, you've got all the libs voting not to hear the case, you also have John Roberts. But I guess I repeat myself, you also have Amy Barrett. Voted not to hear this case, you also have Brett Kavanaugh voted not to hear this case. We fought real hard to get Brett Kavanaugh that seat.
We fought real hard to send Merrick Garland into political irrelevance, at least for a few years. And they went squishy, they went squishy on what should be a very simple answer. Now, Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch did think that the court should weigh in on this matter, Thomas most vigorously so Thomas in his dissent, said something very important. And it's important for not just this election, because the court, generally speaking, they did say we don't think that these votes would have changed the results of the 20 20 election.
However, they could have very serious impact in the future. And so we need to we need to take a look at the. Thomas said something here that. I have been saying since the twenty twenty election, actually, I have argued with many conservatives on this point since the twenty twenty election. And Thomas, you know how much I hate to say I told you so. Thomas seems to be on my side of this question, Thomas wrote. And actually a little footnote in the case.
He says, We are fortunate that many of the cases we have seen alleged only improper rule changes, not fraud. But that observation provides only small comfort. An election free from strong evidence of systemic fraud is not alone sufficient for election confidence. Also important is the assurance that fraud will not go undetected. This line I want you to highlight this. I don't know how you're going to highlight it in the air as you're listening to this in a podcast on the radio or on YouTube.
But but make note of this line. An election free from strong evidence of systemic fraud is not alone sufficient for election confidence when some of my friends on the right in the days after the twenty twenty election. Were demanding, they said, we need the evidence, we need the evidence, we need the evidence, I agreed with them. I said, yeah, you know, the Trump team obviously needs to make the case in court and they're not going to able to make the case if they don't have evidence.
However, this election looks pretty crooked to me, folks. It seems like there was a lot of irregularity going on. And what some of my friends, even on the right would say is, if you can't provide all of the evidence, then we must conclude that the election was totally fine and there were no questions. It was absolutely legit. And I said, no, that's not true, you don't get to in the weeks and months before the election, change practically all the rules, all of the important rules surrounding election integrity.
You don't get to violate the state constitution, for goodness sakes, in Pennsylvania to give an advantage to Democrats. You don't get to extend Election Day into election month, thereby diminishing election integrity and making it more vulnerable to fraud.
You don't get to extend the counting of the ballots. You don't get to do all these things that cut at the heart of election integrity and then tell me the burden is entirely on me to prove that there was some shenanigans going on. I'm seeing what you're doing, you're taking away all of the safeguards, therefore it is absolutely my right to raise questions, I it is absolutely my right to not have much confidence in this electoral process. That's what Thomas is saying right here.
Justice Thomas, the man the man left on the Supreme Court, I like some of the other guys, too, depending on the day, especially Alito. But Thomas Thomas is one of the most clear eyed conservatives in the entire country. He's making exactly the same point. And I don't think that there is anything. Illegitimate or wrong or shameful about pointing out that when you get rid of a lot of the election integrity measures, people are going to lose some confidence in the election.
Speaking of frauds. Dr. Fauci, Dr. Fasces Back, actually, speaking of frauds and things that I hate to say, I told you so about Dr. Fauci, he's back. He's is really losing his appeal, I think, by the minute, even among some people who are more in the center and maybe even on the left, Dr. Foushee. Of 15 days to slow the spread, fame is telling us that we will probably need to wear masks even after the vaccine, after this, after that until twenty, twenty two.
Why do you think Americans might have to wear masks in twenty, twenty two?
You know, because it depends on the lol and the level of of of dynamics of virus that's in the community.
And that's really important because that gets back to something again that you said. If you see the level coming down really, really very low, I wanted to keep going down to a baseline that's so low that there's virtually no threat or not. No, it'll never be zero, but a minimal, minimal threat that you will be exposed to someone who is infected. So if you combine getting most of the people in the country vaccinated with getting the level of virus in the community very, very low, then I believe you're going to be able to say, you know, for the most part, we don't necessarily have to wear masks.
So I love this.
The CNN lady is giving me a lot of respect for I don't even know her name, but I am getting some respect for because she is pushing back on Foushee, says Worldat. We get the vaccine, we get why do we have to do this because well, you see, because I want the virus to get down to below zero. I want there to be negative virus in the world. So that, of course, it can never be negative virus.
It can never be zero. So you're always going to need good old Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fouche is always going to have to tell you what to do. But we'll get a very, very, very low and then we'll eliminate germs and live in Utopia.
That's what I want to say. How about we just, you know, we just take off the masks then if that's your argument, let's just take it off. This is the sort of thing that the people who said, many of my friends, many conservative friends said from the beginning, they said, just wear the mask. It's not a big deal. And I have said they have basically since the very beginning, the masks are not just dumb, but really bad as a political matter for all of the various left wing sensors out here.
I I suppose I need to clarify. I'm not talking about the science because this isn't really about the science. This is about the politics as a political matter. What the people who believe just wear the mask. It's not a big deal. What they thought was it? Well, if we all wear the masks, we can go back to normal. But the opposite is true every minute that we wear the masks.
Is is more likely to extend the length of this whole lockdown, this epidemic, the social upheaval, because the masks are not a source of comfort, the masks are a sign, a visual sign and a very blatant one to everybody that we are in the midst of something really, really crazy and probably pretty dangerous because we haven't done this before as a society.
We've never mandated mandated that we all just put filthy cloth over our mouths wherever we go and muzzle ourselves outdoors, indoors, anywhere you go. So it it doesn't serve the purpose that the people who said, oh, it's not a big deal, just do it, we'll get back to normal, doesn't serve the purpose that they thought it would.
As long as we are wearing the masks, Dr. Fauci is in control because the masks are the sign that we're amid the historic, unprecedented public health crisis, and all we can do is empower Dr. Fauci, our brilliant, wonderful leader who is venerated as an icon in in many parts of the left.
There's Dr. Fauci day now on Christmas Eve in Washington, D.C. Do you remember that the mayor named it Dr. Fauci day didn't acknowledge, you know, this is Christmas Eve. Isn't that a little weird? That kind of a weird liturgical calendar and found himself sort of admits that we want to get that? No, low, low, low. But it's never totally gone. And Dr. Fauci has never totally gone either. As long as we empower him in this way and as long as we radically change our behavior and our appearance, I mean, the most intimate kind of decisions that we make about how we comport ourselves in the world, as long as we entirely defer to him on that, that little dude is in control.
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Now I know that there is an organization called the Boy Scouts, and I know that the Boy Scouts now lets in girls. And I know that there's a designation called the Eagle Scouts. And I know that the Eagle Scouts now have some girls and.
But it is not possible for the Boy Scouts. To have girls in the Scouts because the Boy Scouts are the Boy Scouts, and the minute they let in a girl, they cease to be the Boy Scouts. They might pretend to be the Boy Scouts, but they are not. It is not possible going back to our friend, old old Uncle Aristotle, as we call him, around these parts.
You cannot simultaneously have a thing and the opposite of the thing and have them be true at the same time. The Boy Scouts. Can only have boys in them. I can't believe that we have to spend time saying this, but I think the reason we have to say this is because we live in a culture that's very open and very liberal and very inclusive. And there are some benefits of this, but it can be taken to absurdities. And even conservatives embrace all this kind of language.
We're open minded. You know, I'm a free speech absolutist. I yeah, man, I don't I don't want any sort of exclusion or censorship whatsoever. You need exclusion. For societies to make sense, I'm not saying unjust exclusion, I don't want that, but you do need just exclusion. For instance, the men's bathroom must exclude women simply for it to be the men's bathroom. It has to exclude women. Same thing is true of the women's bathroom if the women's bathroom is open and liberal and inclusive of men.
Then it hasn't become an inclusive, open, liberal women's bathroom. It just stopped being the women's bathroom. The same thing is true of the Boy Scouts. If the Boy Scouts, in the name of liberality and openness and inclusion and diversity, accepts women, you haven't created this more open Boy Scouts. You've just abolished the Boy Scouts. There's been a lot of talk about Norm Normal. When are we going to get back to normal? Well, wearing masks, we're not seeing our grandparents, we're not having Thanksgiving dinner, when are we going to get back to normal norms, define normal.
We are we are edging day by day by day that we let this nonsense go on day by day by day, that we wear the stupid masks, we are creating a new normal. It is it is now normal to wear the masks and it's abnormal not to wear the masks. And you can't have a society that's free of norms. There's no such thing, I think we like to fool ourselves of that. The left really pushes this idea that you don't need any norms, nothing.
There's nothing that we ought to do. We just do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else, maybe. And the right has adopted a lot of that same language. Oh, man, I don't care. What you do is it doesn't affect me. Live and let live, man.
Norms are inevitable. Norms are inevitable if you are, I think a lot of us want to pretend that, oh, man, just who cares if the Boy Scouts let some girls and you know, it's not such a minor issue. Well, I mean, it's it is and it isn't. It's a minor issue that I'm not a member of the Boy Scouts and I have no intention of sending my son to the Boy Scouts, but. It's a big issue in that we as a society are now saying you're not allowed to have the Boy Scouts, you're just destroying those sorts of things.
And if you follow this gender ideology to its logical conclusion, not only do you get rid of the bathrooms and the girls sports, you get rid of girls schools, you get rid of sororities, you get rid of fraternities, you get rid of anything that makes any distinction between men and women. I don't know about you. I find the distinction between men and women to be one of the things that gives life its joy. One of one of the things that makes this world kind of nice that men and women are different.
I like women. You know, it's sort of that that men are from Mars, women are from Venus. That's kind of one of the playful aspects of the world, the complementarity between the sexes. But we are now being told you can't have that. And if you want a society that does still have that, you have to stand up for that. And that's an exclusive claim. Truth claims tend to be exclusive. But the gender ideology is marching onward.
My friend Ryan Anderson, Ryan Anderson at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, he was with the Heritage Foundation for a long time. He wrote a book with, I think, the greatest title I've I've ever read on a book. The title is When Harry Became Sally, responding to the Transgender Moment. Just a tremendous. That guy could have scribbled in crayon in between the covers. He still would have sold a bunch of copies. So very, very enjoyable book.
I highly recommend it. Amazon took it down. Amazon took down when Harry became Sally because I don't because it's politically incorrect, it's hateful, it's bigoted. You've got one of the most respected public scholars in the entire mainstream conservative movement, Ryan Anderson puts out this very academic work on transgenderism taken down for hate speech. Meanwhile, I just read from Ryan's Twitter account, Apple II Books is taking it down now. You can't download it. It's going to be banned.
I have a book, by the way, I may have mentioned this coming out on this very topic, why conservatives have gotten this issue so wrong, why every attempt that they've made to fight political correctness has actually helped advance political correctness over the last several decades. I have this book coming out called Speechless Controlling Words, Controlling Minds. It is currently up on Amazon. I don't think it's going to stay up on Amazon. I think that when when the left understands the thesis of this book and some of the arguments that are made in the book, I think they are going to take it down.
So if you want to get it, I would urge you to preorder it now, because I really I'm I'm not just selling books, though. I would like to do that, too. But I don't know if they're going to take down Ryan's book. I can't imagine what the future is for my book or even many other conservative books that dare to talk about anything other than cutting taxes or something that dare to talk about any cultural issue. And what we're really talking about here is cancel culture, because what you're hearing from.
Some of the squishes who call themselves conservatives, but also from the left is it's not cancel culture to take down Ryan's book. We don't like that book. It's Amazon has no obligation or Apple has no obligation to host a book that they disagree with. Come on their private companies. It's a free market, right. That's not cancel culture. I have said basically from the beginning of this whole thing, this whole show is basically just I hate to say I told you so from the beginning of this whole thing.
I have said that I don't think cancel culture is a particularly precise or helpful term because it falls into the classic trap of political correctness, which is political correctness is the instrument by which the left attacks traditional standards. It's just an attack. It's just a criticism. You've heard of critical theory. It's like that. It just criticizes and criticizes and criticizes and tries to tear down the old traditional order.
Then conservatives respond to that either by acquiescing and saying, OK, well, I'll go along, you know, what's the big deal? Right. Sort of. The thing unmasks OK, no big deal. I'll just go along or the other way. Conservatives react as they say, hey, I oppose any kind of standards. I oppose any kind of censorship. I oppose any kind of guardrails on our society. So I'm against council culture. And then either way, the left wins because now nobody is defending the old traditional moral standards.
I've mentioned this before. Sometimes you see this on left wing Twitter accounts and things, they'll send these memes around. They'll it'll be a picture of Joe McCarthy and they'll say, you know, conservatives were doing cancel culture before it was cool. Conservatives originated cancel culture. And there's some truth to that McCarthyism, which until very recently was defended by all the mainstream conservatives. The idea that you could root out communists who are working for foreign governments who were seeking to subvert your country.
It's not a particularly controversial point of view, though.
It's been revised through various political activists to say that it would be that's that's not.
Wild, that's not extraordinary, that's been true since the beginning of the country. We've always had laws against sedition. We've always had laws against fraud. We've always had laws against obscenity, though they're not really enforced much these days. They were still being enforced even a dozen years ago. We still have or I suppose now now going on 14 years ago when George Bush jailed a pornographer because he because the pornography was so obscene, there are always constraints on language and speech.
Do you think that if some guy walks into your office, he's got a Nazi armband. He walks up to the water cooler and starts screaming, Zig Hile, do you think that guy has a right to keep his job? Do you think that if he were fired for that that would be cancel culture. No, of course you absolutely agree, as we all do, that private associations and businesses and even whole societies have the right to determine their standards and their norms.
By definition, every society does that. So I don't use the term cancer culture, cancer when I use it, when I when I invoke that term, I'm referring to a very specific thing, which is what we see going on right now. It's when the left targets conservatives. For saying perfectly reasonable things, the difference between my definition of cancer culture and the kind of abstract version is I'm talking about a real thing that's actually happening. I'm describing a discrete, specific phenomenon and the substance of them.
It's not just the form that matters. It's not just that people are being censored or ostracized. It's the substance. What are they being censored for? What are they being ostracized for? If some guy has the armband on and he says, Zig, I'll at the water cooler, then I don't think it's wrong to ostracize him from the company. But if that if another guy walks up to the water cooler and he's got an American flag and he says, I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy and he gets fired for that, that I am against, that is the sort of cancer culture that we're seeing right now, people saying perfectly mainstream, patriotic, traditional American things and having their lives ruined for that.
But the substance there really matters. And this brings us to CPAC. The Conservative Political Action Conference has been going on for a long time. The American Conservative Union puts it on. It's always a very fun event. I went last year, we did a verdict episode with Ted Cruz. A lot of I've been going for years and years and I think I went to my first CPAC 10 years ago. CPAC title this year Is America Unconcealed Fighting Back Against Council Culture and Fun.
Fair enough. But they just found out that one of their speakers, this guy, Young Pharaoh, who I don't know what he does, but I don't know, he's like some pop culture guy or something. Young Pharaoh has said some very offensive things about Jews and other people. So what is he back? Do they cancel them from their roster? Now, CPAC is being called hypocrites because they're indulging in cancer culture. I don't think CPAC is being hypocritical at all.
I think it is the shallowest, stupidest read of the term cancel culture to suggest that you can never have any standards at all. I think it is that that kind of a shallow interpretation that has allowed political correctness to advance for decades and decades. And actually, if you believe the argument in my book, it's been advancing for about a century. There is nothing conservative about removing all the guardrails. Think about it like a country. Think about it just like a country, a country needs borders, that was there was what Merrick Garland finally acknowledged that Joe Biden says, look, he believes that it's a country that has borders.
All countries have borders and borders means some people are in and some people are out. A certain area defines what the country is and thinks outside that area. That's not the country. The same thing is true in our philosophy. Do you think if CPAC invited someone to speak, forget about anti Jewish comments. Let's make it even more basic than that. Some guy gets invited to speak at CPAC and then in between the time he gets invited, in the time he speaks, he becomes a liberal Democrat and he wants to give a speech on how great Aoki is and how he can't wait to vote for Joe Biden's re-election or better yet, Kamala Harris.
Do you think CPAC has an obligation? In its opposition to cancer culture, an obligation to put that guy on stage, no, of course not. If anything, CPAC has an obligation to take that guy off the roster because this is the Conservative Political Action Conference and conservatism stands for something. We're debating what that stands for. But but we we absolutely must define it. And actually, the unwillingness, the cowardly unwillingness to define what conservatives stand for is what has made us lose many, many, many times over the past several decades.
President Trump, one of the few Republicans to win in recent years, though, then he sadly is no longer president, but he did win in 2016. Trump is going to speak at CPAC and the reports are that President Trump is going to speak on the future of the GOP. There are some reports that he's going to say he's the presumptive nominee in twenty twenty four. I don't know, they might just be floating that just to get some buzz or some publicity or something.
But it does seem likely that he's going to be speaking on the future of the GOP. What is the future of the GOP? I don't know, we're going to be debating that, obviously, I have my preferences, other people have other preferences. But the one thing I know that it's not going to be if the GOP has a future at all is the old GOP of the last 20 years. It's not going to be that. Because that GOP doesn't win any battles, even when they win elections, they don't win any substantive battles, you lose all the important issues you lose, you lose every important issue up to and including the freaking girls bathroom.
You couldn't even conserve that. Whatever the future of the GOP is, whatever the future of conservatism is, it's going to have to conserve something. Which brings us to an article in Riesen. I just read an article in Reason magazine, Reason is the sort of libertarian website and magazine, and I have great respect for many libertarians. I am not myself a libertarian, but I have respect for many libertarians, but I don't have respect for libertines. There should be a difference between libertarianism and libertinism, but increasingly there really is not.
The article in Reason is is there a future for fusion ism? Fusion ism refers to the kind of conservative coalition that cropped up after World War Two and defined the Cold War. And it was put together by guys like William F. Buckley Jr. and Ronald Reagan. And National Review got in minute Yale. And there's all this sort of movement.
And Buckley is kind of the central figure now. Well, what I actually think it's worth reading this recent article, even though they're wrong in their conclusion, but they say the fall of the USSR meant the collapse of the common foe that had sustained the Fusion East Partnership of the kind of traditional conservatives and libertarians and the war hawks. It was able to trundle on for a while, powered by a reservoir of goodwill, but it has long been running on fumes.
In the last few years, the alliances, inherent tensions have come to a head. It's increasingly common to hear that whatever value there may have been in cooperation during the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, the era of good conservative feelings is over. I agree with that. It's a good take for many libertarians. This is where it goes off the rails. For many libertarians, the Trump years revealed their traditionalist allies to be hypocrites and opportunists, all too willing to sell out the ideals of fusion ism in service of an aspiring dictator.
OK, here we go. Am I reading what is this is CNN that I'm reading what it would be. Libertarians now are going to sound like MSNBC. Conservatives have commenced a not so slow descent toward authoritarianism, if that word could be struck forever from the English language, I would I would pass a law to do it in my authoritarian abilities. What a stupid word. It's basically a meaningless word. And they're not so slow descent toward authoritarianism. Some in this group suggest, for if the philosophy of liberty is to have a future, it must involve building bridges to the left, not to the right.
And there it is. Russell Kirk, one of the great conservative writers and thinkers of the 20th century long, warned that the alliance between libertarians and conservatives never made any sense. That conservatives should be very wary of that, because ultimately, the libertarians, we're going to break to the left and the many, many people who I think call themselves libertarian, but that really they wouldn't agree with Reason magazine. They're really more conservative than all that. They're going to have to pick a side.
They're either going to have to go to the left and sound like MSNBC, like Reason magazine here, or they're going to have to go and be conservative. What they really misunderstand here is. They could change one word in this article and it would make sense if they changed it to if the philosophy of licentiousness is to have a future, it must involve building bridges to the left, not the right. But liberty and licentiousness are very different things. Lord Acton, a man revered by true libertarians, by libertarians of many, many.
Decades. And longer, what he said was liberty is not as many people commonly think it is, the ability to do whatever you want and pursue your appetites, however you and your desires, however you want. Liberty is the right to do what you ought. I know this is a shocking statement for a lot of people. Liberty, freedom is not just the ability to do whatever we want. Because the thing is, if you just pursue your base passions all the time, then you're going to lose your liberty.
If you let's say I really want heroin, you're going to go out and shoot up a bunch of heroin and you say, oh, man, I've never been more free. Do you think heroin addicts have a whole lot of liberty? Do you think they're the freest? People know they're slaves. They're slaves to their appetites. Which gets to the classical conservative understanding of liberty, the man who sings is a slave to sin. We need liberal education to make sense of our liberty, to tame our base passions, to tame our vices, to practice virtue, to develop our cultivate our reason, cultivate our will, control our will.
Then we can be really free. This is what all the founding fathers believed and the more libertine camp that has found itself on the right that that they no longer like that. Now, I don't think, as some people on the right have said, some conservatives said we need to boot out all the libertarians or anything. I think that's a losing battle. I think that politics is the art of inclusion. You've got to bring people in if you want a winning coalition so that people who say I'm a libertarian and they wave their Gadsden flag and they say, darn it, I stand for the American tradition of liberty.
Yeah, those guys, obviously, those are conservatives. Those are those are people who I think make common cause with us. But there's another type of libertarian, you know, the type I'm talking about. If you've ever spent any time around a college campus or even high school, I guess, you know, those libertarians were the most important political issue to them is legalizing pot. You know, they forget about foreign policy, immigration, abortion, any sort of economic policy, trade.
No, forget about that. The most important thing is that everyone gets to smoke the devil's lettuce and spinach. Those guys, I don't think they really have a future on the right. I don't think there's nothing really conservative about them. Their understanding of liberty is totally wrong. I mean, those are the kind of guys I think that Reason magazine is talking about right now. But the reason gets right that I think Trump is getting right in giving the speech at CPAC that all of us are intuiting is that whatever was meant by conservatism in the 20th century, up to the end of the Cold War, that was great.
That worked, that defeated the Soviet Union. And then whatever was meant after that didn't really make a whole lot of sense. And when you look back on the Bush years, do you really think like, oh, yes, that was the triumph of conservative values in America. Know is mostly a period of decline and loss of things that we cherish. So whatever is going to come next, it's going to be different than what it was in the past.
For for too long now, I think conservatism has been canceled to use a faddish and sort of stupid word. Conservatism has been cancelled by people who want to make conservatism basically the same thing as liberalism and not let us defend any of the things we want to defend and not let us preserve anything resembling the American way of life, barely allowed to go outside anymore. And when we go outside, we have to listen to some technocrat egghead tell us what to wear even on our faces.
No, if we're going to if we're going to be conservatives in the future, we're going to have to conserve the the traditions and the way of life that we've long cherished in this country. I'm Michael Knowles's The Michael Moore Show. If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, and if you want to help spread the word, please give us a five star review and tell your friends to subscribe. We're available on Apple podcast Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts.
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