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The Rachel Maddow Show weeknights at 9:00 Eastern on MSNBC, got breaking news tonight from The New York Times that in the criminal inquiry into former President Trump and his business, state prosecutors in New York are reportedly focusing now on the chief financial officer of Trump's business and named Alan Weissel Burke, whose name, of course, surfaced repeatedly in conjunction with the campaign finance felonies. Those hush money payments for which President Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, went to prison. Donald Trump, of course, was famously listed by prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirators.

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In that case, he was individual one. That, in fact, is what opened up this criminal inquiry among New York state prosecutors in the first place. But again, The Times is reporting tonight that inquiry is now focusing, at least in part, on the chief financial officer of the former president's company now simultaneously. Tonight, the Atlanta Journal Constitution is breaking the news that in the other known criminal investigation into the former president, the one in Fulton County, Georgia, as to whether or not President Trump illegally tried to pressure elections officials into changing that state's election results.

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That case reportedly is being brought in front of a grand jury this week in Atlanta. The Atlanta Journal Constitution reporting tonight that Fulton County prosecutors are going to go before the grand jury in Georgia this week and ask them first subpoenas for witnesses and documents in that case that reportedly targets the former president. We have never had a president or former president criminally prosecuted in this country, but on two different fronts, state prosecutors in New York and state prosecutors in Georgia.

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We are getting closer and closer to that prospect all the time. Again, the chief financial officer of the president's business reportedly in the crosshairs of state prosecutors in New York. Georgia state prosecutors taking the case against President Trump on election interference to a Georgia grand jury this week, which means just in the next few days, we will keep following both of those stories as they continue to develop tonight.

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Also tonight, in the wake of the devastating and fatal collapse of the power generating system and the electrical grid in the great state of Texas, the head of that state's Public Utilities Commission has resigned. Everybody is pointing fingers in Texas as to why oil and gas companies and power generators of all kinds aren't required to make sure they can still operate in cold weather, since it really was just cold weather that caused the whole state grid to shut down disastrously last month.

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But so far, even with multiple high level resignations and state hearings and thousands of Texans still without drinkable water even tonight. Apparently, no one in the old Republican Texas state government believes that the solution is actually to require the power system to be winterised, to regulate it so that those power generators and power operators are not allowed to operate in the state of Texas unless they can operate when it gets cold. That apparently is out of the question because big government, but the head of the Public Utilities Commission is out as of tonight, just like the lights on.

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The water will be the next time there's another cold snap if nothing changes there except resignations so that we can blame people who are no longer there. But nothing actually changes in terms of the infrastructure. In Jackson, Mississippi, tonight, they are also creeping toward two weeks now with no potable drinking water in the city, most of the city of Jackson has had no running water or really diminished running water since cold weather hit their two weeks ago. The rest of the city that that does have running water is under a boil water advisory.

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So there is no clean potable drinking water running out of taps in the entire city of Jackson, Mississippi.

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And Jackson is not a backwater. It's a city of one hundred and sixty thousand people. It's the capital of the state. But their water infrastructure is so bad and particularly so poorly prepared for cold temperatures that the recent cold snap there has rendered that city completely without safe water to drink from the tap for, as I said, nearly two weeks now. We think we need some infrastructure investment in this country, maybe we are the richest and supposedly most capable nation on Earth and we cannot keep water running and lights on.

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Now, when it gets cold, when it gets cold in February, which is when things get cold every year. It's never a surprise. A massive national investment and upgrading our infrastructure, everything from roads and bridges and airports and electric car charging stations and trains to the electrical grid, except maybe in Texas, where they don't want the federal help because they prefer to fail alone. And water systems and national broadband, that big infrastructure proposal, every single part of which is very popular with the public.

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When you ask them what the government ought to actually be doing, that infrastructure bill is next. It's the next big thing that President Biden wants to get passed through Congress after the covid relief bill. It is this is a procedural thing, but it's important in terms of what our government is going to be able to do this year. It is generally expected that in the Senate, the Democrats will have two shots this year, two bills that they can pass using these budget reconciliation rules that allow them to pass something with just 50 votes, which means they can pass it even if all Republicans vote no.

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The infrastructure bill, with all those things in it that I just described, that's what they're apparently going to use their second shot and that's what they're going to use, their second of two opportunities for a budget reconciliation bill, which means a bill they can pass without Republican support. The second one will be infrastructure after the first one is, of course, covid relief. And the relief bill is a lot less direct. Fourteen hundred dollar checks to individuals.

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It's some padding added to unemployment checks. So unemployment checks come from the state. The federal government will add some extra money to unemployment checks. So it's enough money to actually live on since the pandemic through so many people out of work. Still, it's the money to pay for vaccine distribution. More on that in a moment. It's the money to reopen schools safely, which everybody wants. It's the ban on eviction and foreclosures during the pandemic. It's a big child tax credit to further financially help families with kids.

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This thing is nearly two trillion dollars. It is a huge, huge thing for context here for understanding what this particular large number means. Republicans during the Obama administration freaked out for about five years. Arguably, they freaked out for eight years over the Recovery Act that President Obama signed in 2009 when the financial crisis happened. They lost their minds over the Recovery Act, over the size of that bill. They never stopped talking about it for the entire time that Obama was in office.

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That bill that they were so horrified by the size of it was about eight hundred billion dollars.

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The Kovik relief bill that's about to pass is two and a half times that size, and the House just passed it this weekend and now it's going to pass the Senate and then President Biden is going to sign it into law. The reason the Senate's going to be able to pass it is because they're going to be able to do so without any Republican votes. They've got two shots this year to pass stuff under budget reconciliation. They're going to use one of those shots for infrastructure.

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This first shot, though, they're using for covid relief. And the reason they have to do that is because Republicans are apparently deciding this year they don't want to support covid relief. Which is astonishing on its face, I mean, astonishing in terms of the substance politically, it's also astonishing given how much the American public wants the covid relief bill, Democrats, independents, Republicans, it's wildly popular with the entire American public. It's going to get zero Republican votes.

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Republicans on Capitol Hill want to complain about schools not being open, but then they are going to vote no. On the funding to reopen schools, they want to complain about access to vaccines, but they want to vote no. On paying for vaccine distribution, good luck selling that, but, you know, they'll deal with the political consequences of that themselves, substantively, it's sort of fine. It doesn't matter. It'll pass without them.

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One uncanny thing, though, at least uncanny to me, is how little they want to talk about. This I mean, Republicans did really lose their mind in 2009 over the Recovery Act that cost less than a trillion dollars and there's a big bill. Eight hundred billion dollars is a lot, but they lost their minds and never stopped talking about it. They turned it into this like socialist hell scape that they had to warn us about. And maybe nobody should ever have children again because the future generations will suffer so much from this eight hundred billion dollar bill that will ruin America.

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I mean, they never stop talking about it. There was no rhetoric too extreme for them to use to denounce the Recovery Act. That was less than a trillion dollars. This is two trillion dollars. And this time Republicans are like, oh, they passed it in the House. Can we talk about Mr. Potato Head instead or something? I mean, not a peep, what are they going to say about it? I mean, here's The New York Times yesterday reporting from the big conservative CPAC conference in Florida.

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Quote, As the conference began, House Democrats were preparing to approve a coronavirus relief package worth nearly two trillion dollars that was opposed by every House Republican but inside the Hyatt Regency in Orlando at the seatback conference. It was hard to find many conservatives who cared. They don't care.

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They just don't want to talk about it. It's almost like they know it's really popular even among Republican voters. And so they're just going to stay very quiet about it. Let Democrats do it themselves and hope no one notices that they're all voting no.

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I mentioned that this is a two trillion dollar bill and there's another two trillion dollar infrastructure bill coming right on its heels, that will potentially be even more popular and the Republicans will not vote for that either. Mean they better hope there's a lot of Mr. Potato Head stuff going on to give them something to talk about while the new administration and the Democrats basically just make tracks around them and despite them with them trying to pretend like it's not happening. Speaking of making tracks today, they started shipping out doses of the third vaccine approved to prevent covid-19 in the United States, just like the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, the Johnson and Johnson vaccine has thus far proved to be radically effective at keeping people from having to be hospitalized and keeping people from dying from covid-19.

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I will also tell you, I feel like I have to do this as full disclosure because you're going to see it in my face if I don't explain it. And I should just tell you personally, as a person who is embarrassingly afraid of needles, I get so Woosley, I have to sit down. I just can't even handle myself with any dignity at all when it comes to having to get a shot or a blood draw or anything. Personally, this is the one I've been waiting for because it's only one shot.

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If you are a person who is legit and sickeningly afraid of needles, the only thing worse than getting a shot with a needle is knowing that you're going to have to do it again. The anticipation of it happening a second time after you endure it. The first time for a person with a phobia, it is literally the anticipation of the second shot is worse. I will take whatever vaccine is available whenever it is finally my turn, and I cannot wait until it is my turn.

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But I am so hoping that this is the one I get. I will only have to turn green and panic once, not twice.

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One shot and it would be over.

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Yes, the footage today from the plant in Kentucky that is packing up and shipping out the first doses of the Johnson and Johnson vaccines. Really nice to see workers at the plant signing the first boxes and cheering, cheering each other as they as they got the very first boxes got loaded onto the first trucks. Here's what they wrote on the very first box today. First, Jay and Jay pack out, get healthy. And they signed Bourbon One, Kentucky, to show the plant that they shipped that out of in Kentucky.

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House today to hit President Biden's plans for one hundred million vaccine doses to be administered in his first hundred days in office, you could do that math in your head, right? One hundred million in one hundred days, we would need to be administering one million shots a day to hit that goal. Right now, our average, a rolling seven day average of how many shots we're giving per day is one point eight million. If we could double that, it would be great.

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Don't get me wrong. But that is a huge ramp up from where we were. There was a dip with the cold weather and those storms that hit half the United States. But look, we are back up one point eight million as our average now and today. Bizarrely, today, we were told for the first time that President Trump was vaccinated, along with First Lady Melania Trump at the White House in January while he was still president before the inauguration.

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Why did they keep this information secret from the American public? I mean, sometimes I can sometimes that administration and that president did things that I thought were sort of crazy or wrong, but at least I could discern the self-interest. What was the self-interest here? What to whom did the benefit accrue for keeping this secret from the American public while he was president? President Trump never encouraged Americans to get vaccinated. Now we know that he himself took the vaccine in secret and never told anyone what possible benefit was there to him to keep that secret from the public.

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I mean, think about all the good that could have done. What new poll shows that among Americans who are not yet vaccinated, there is a more than two to one disparity between Democrats and Republicans in terms of who's planning on getting the vaccine when they get the chance to of Americans who are not yet vaccinated. Among Democrats, 70 percent say they intend to get the vaccine as soon as they can. But among Republicans, it's that 70 percent. It's only thirty three percent.

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It's less than half the number among Republicans. But why is that? What is it about being a Republican that might make you a little shy about vaccines? Only a third of Republicans who haven't been vaccinated yet actually intend to get the shot when they can. What would that number be if President Trump in January had just been honest, had just said, hey, I just got vaccinated and I was able to get the vaccine because I'm president? Nobody would have resented him for getting the vaccine.

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Of course, you'd want the president vaccinated. What if he had just said in January, I just got vaccinated because I'm the president? As soon as you can get vaccinated, you should do.

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Do you think there'd still be only a third of Republicans in the country who are planning on getting the vaccine if they knew that President Trump got it? Why did he keep this a secret? And I will tell you, this comes, of course, not long on the heels of the news that was broken from The New York Times last month, that President Trump was actually way sicker with covid than the White House would publicly admit back in October of last year when he was hospitalized at Walter Reed.

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Is the Times reporting last month that Trump's blood oxygen levels were down in the low 80s. That's really bad, low 90s mean, you mean it means you were quite sick, potentially dangerously sick with covid, he wasn't in the low 90s. He was apparently in the low 80s also with infiltrates in his lungs, which means his lungs were showing up cloudy and white on his chest x rays, which is very scary for somebody with advanced covid. The Times reported that when he went to Walter Reed, some officials expected that he would need to be put on a ventilator when he got there.

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That's how sick he was.

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None of that information was given to the public at the time. We only found out months later after he was out of office again, had the White House, had the president just been honest about his personal his personal experience of covid, how many Republicans and people who love that president, for whatever reason, would have finally believe that it is a serious thing that can kill even big, strong people who you like? But they kept that from the American public until he was out of office, and now we find out that he also took the vaccine, but kept it secret at a time when simply being straight with people about that might have saved thousands of American lives or more.

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It's just it's just unbelievable. How could that benefit you doing that cost millions of people their lives?

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I mean, excuse me, cost thousands of people their lives. What for? Your pride didn't want people to know that, I mean, it's incredible anyway, but now we've got three vaccines approved as of today and this third one is only one dose. Right. And it only needs to be stored in a normal fridge, which means a lot in terms of the supply chain and places this can get to in places it can be safely transported, stored and administered.

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There's going to be four million doses of that new Johnson and Johnson vaccine shipping out just this week. They say they'll have 20 million doses shipped out by the end of this month. And on top of the other two vaccines that are already out there, that means that we will have enough vaccine available this month by the end of this by the end of this month to vaccinate more than a third of the whole country. And that's not even factoring in the AstraZeneca vaccine, which just got approved in Canada today.

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It's been used in Europe for a few weeks now. There were some concerns that the AstraZeneca vaccine wasn't tested on a lot of older people. So there was some reluctance about that vaccine for older people in some parts of Europe. But the U.K. has been using the AstraZeneca vaccine, Amite Amane, and they just released results of a significant British study today that shows actually the AstraZeneca vaccine works great in older people. It works in older people just as well as all the other vaccines work in older people.

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AstraZeneca, now approved in multiple European countries, now approved as of today. And Canada, AstraZeneca is likely to be approved here in April that next month. That will be vaccine number four on top of the Pfizer and the Moderna. And now the Johnson and Johnson was started shipping out today. As of today, we are getting one point eight million doses administered every day. And that is hopefully set to rise because now we actually do have a vaccine distribution plan for the country for the first time, something that did not exist six weeks ago when the new president and the new administration took over from the previous administration, which not only hid the details of the president's covid-19 illness, but also hid from the American people the fact that he, himself and the first lady were vaccinated just astonishing.

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But now we've got a president who doesn't lie about covid-19 for sure, we have a president who got vaccinated on television who tells people every chance he can get get vaccinated as soon as you can. As soon as it's your turn, please do it. We've got one point eight million shots a day going into American arms, and we've got legislation that's going to pay for it and much more. And it's legislation that is going to pass. You guys, it's working.

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What else can we do? Joining us now is someone who has really quite serious ambitions for what else we can do and what we should do. Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren. Senator Warren, it's great to see you. Thanks so much for making time tonight. Thank you.

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It's good to be here with you. Let me ask you about the big covid relief bill first, do you think it will pass? Do you think it will pass soon so that people don't start to lose unemployment assistance, which would happen two weeks from today? Are we on track? Yes, you know, I sure hope so. We need this money, and it's exactly as you said at the beginning, this is the money we need for vaccines.

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This is the money we need to help people who are struggling. And this is the money we need to get our schools open. This is government working the way it should be in terms of the content of the bill and what may be tweaked in the Senate. I want to talk to you about the minimum wage situation and the parliamentarian essentially arguing that that giving an advisory opinion that that should be excluded from this bill because of the Senate rules. But there's also the issue of whether or not there are conservative Democrats, frankly, moderate Democrats, who are insisting on making the bill smaller.

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The Washington Post is reporting tonight that President Biden met with some conservative Democratic senators today who want the income eligibility tightened so fewer people got those fourteen hundred dollar checks. What can you tell us about that and what's your reaction to that? Well, look, I'm going to be pushing for more, not less help for people, I think that's critically important. But the bottom line is we're Democrats. We understand the need for help and we're going to be talking with each other about it.

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But that's what we're committed to. And I feel good about where we are on this. Look, all you have to do is look around. We've lost half a million people in this country and we've had people sick. We've had children home from school for a year now. We need to get this money out the door. We need to get it to our state and local governments. We need to get it to the folks who are on the ground and need to get things moving.

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We've got money in this bill for child care. Do you know how many people can't get back to work? They can't get decent child care, child care crisis before this pandemic. And now it is far worse. So these are the the measures that we need. It is literally a covid relief plan. And the sooner we get it out the door, the better. I think the House has given us a good bill. I think there may be some small tweaks for much more technical reasons within the Senate about jurisdiction and so on.

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But I think this is a good bill for us to go forward on. It's not as big as anything like it, but it's a good bill. On the issue of the minimum wage, I know you support a fifty dollar an hour minimum wage, and I feel like we've sort of we've talked to this provision to death in the sense that every American is paying attention to the news, like knows about the Senate parliamentarian and these Senate rules and the Byrd rule and all these other things.

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Bottom line, do you think there is a practical vehicle by which you and your colleagues can get us a rise in the minimum wage this year? Do you think it can happen?

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Well, of course it can happen if we just get rid of the filibuster. And look, I know I've been singing the song for a long time about the filibuster, but watch what's happening. Mitch McConnell right now has a veto over our being able to do anything unless we can twist ourselves into pretzels and make it fit through reconciliation. And so now the parliamentarian has said, sorry, that pretzel won't go in the bag. So we can't do minimum wage through reconciliation.

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But if we say that we're going to get rid of the filibuster, we are going to go with majority rule, the way the Constitution holds for the House and the Senate. And we can actually pass the things we need to pass then this this is an issue and understand it's not just minimum wage, it's voter protection. It's environmental crisis issues. It's immigration. It's it's universal child care. It's college. It's gun safety. It's the things we need to pass to make this country work.

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And I want to be clear, it's the things the majority of Americans strongly support. Americans didn't send us to Washington to be some kind of debating society. They sent us here to get things done. And that's what we should do. And that means no veto for Mitch McConnell. You have proposed and today introduce legislation that would put a new tax on the ultra wealthy, on people with net worth more than 50 million dollars and increasing amounts of tax for people with significantly even larger net worth than that.

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This is something I feel like I've talked to you about this a number of times because this was a central part of your platform when you had your your gang busters run for the Democratic nomination and in the presidential primary this year. The thing that I think people don't appreciate about your wealth tax proposal is how popular it is that it has public support, not just from Democratic voters, but from a majority of Republican voters as well. I wonder if that creates the possibility of some strange bedfellows for you on a targeted proposal like the one you introduced today.

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Well, this is wildly popular because people get it that the system today is unfair and rigged. So let me remind everybody what the wealth tax is. It says on Fortune's bigger than 50 million dollars on your 50 millionth and first dollar. You've got to pitch in two cents and two cents on every dollar after that until you hit a billion dollars in assets and then a few pennies more. This would make that top one tenth of one percent. This would only affect about one hundred thousand families in America.

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This would make them pay and it would produce about three trillion dollars in revenue. That's money for child care. That's money for infrastructure. That's money to build back better. Like Joe Biden says, we needed this before when I was running for president. But just understand, now that the pandemic has hit, while millions of families have slipped into poverty. Millions of families have are unemployed. What's happened at the very top is the six hundred and sixty billionaires in America have increased their net worth over the last year or already by one point three trillion dollars.

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All we're asking is two cents or two cents to help build a future for the rest of America. Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, it's good to have you here. Thanks for being here tonight. Thanks for having me. All right. We've got much more to get to. Busy Monday night. Stay with us.

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Last week here on the show, we covered a story that I said at the time, skived me out in a way that made me worry about my ability to sleep that night. I was right to worry about that. And we actually heard from a lot of you guys at home that that story really resonated for you and saved you out to. The story came from Richard Engle at NBC News, who partnered partnered with the online investigative group Beling Cat to look into one particular participant in the attack on the US Capitol January 6th.

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Her name is Riley Williams. She's seen here in the spot shadow appearing to direct other rioters inside the Capitol. She gained notoriety even among all the other people arrested for the January 6th attack when she was charged ultimately with helping to steal a laptop from the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The FBI cited in the charging documents a witness who claimed that Miss Williams planned to pass that laptop to somebody she knew who was going to give it to Russian intelligence.

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Riley Williams denies the charges. Pelosi's laptop, incidentally, still has not been found. But what Bill and Richard Engle discovered is that Riley Williams is also the woman in this incredibly creepy video, her giving a Nazi salute. She's wearing a mask and sunglasses. She gives the Nazi Heil Hitler salute. She says Heil Hitler. She's wearing neo-Nazi symbols. She's advocating white supremacy in the video, the key that allowed Belenkaya to definitively prove that Rilly Williams is the woman in the video that indeed among the Capitol Hill, rioters who have been charged thus far are explicit neo-Nazis, anti-Semite and white supremacists.

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The way that they were able to do the legwork to figure out that that same person not only appeared in that video, but she had posted racist and anti-Semitic screeds to several different social media accounts. The key, the sort of unlocked that was this photo that she posted from one of those accounts. It's a photo of that same woman, Ryley Williams, at a right wing pro Trump rally in D.C. in December. And in that photo, she's standing next to one of the speakers at that rally who was apparently her hero, a man named Nick Fuentes, Cat discovered, and combing through Williams social media history that have all the right wing white nationalist groups and personalities she followed.

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This Fuentes guy was her clear favorite. Mr. Fuentes is an advocate for a whites only homeland, as in a country exclusively for white people. I'll give you one guess as to what country he thinks that should be. His charming resume includes denying that the Holocaust happened, claiming that things were better in America under Jim Crow laws. So he's pro racial segregation. Of course, the better to achieve ultimately a whites only nation. He was at the white nationalist Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

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In twenty seventeen, he rallied pro Trump rioters outside the US Capitol on January six this year and this weekend, while conservatives and elected Republicans were holding their annual Conservative Political Action Conference, CPAC this year was all about how Donald Trump actually won the election and he's still secretly the actual president. Well, that was happening at CPAC. This guy, Nick Fuentes, hosted his own rival conference for Trump fans for whom CPAC wasn't enough for Trump fans who needed something more radical.

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A conference for right wingers who think that CPAC is just missing that explicit white nationalist Holocaust denying flair. Nick Fuentes took to the stage this this conference, this America first conference that he hosted. And from there, he railed against a, quote, new racial caste system in this country with whites at the bottom. He said America needs to protect its, quote, white demographic core. Really nice, nice folks. Right. Guess who the keynote speaker was at that conference this weekend?

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The keynote at the White Homeland Holocaust denial wasn't Jim Crow great guys, white nationalist conference keynote speaker was a sitting congressman, a sitting five term Republican congressman. And by sitting, I mean, he's still in Congress. Paul Gosar of Arizona, not a single other sitting member of Congress, would go near this white nationalist white homeland conference. But for Congressman Paul Gosar of Arizona. Sure. And, you know, now don't just go. How about keynoting it?

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And yes, Paul Gosar is the kind of congressman who has said things like the US is already in a civil war and quote, We just haven't started shooting yet. He says stuff like this, he associates himself with causes like this, but keynoting the White Nationalist Conference. The conference for America being a whites only country. That is something that's supposed to be too crazy and offensive, even for this Republican Party now, right? I mean, that's why they had to have their own separate conference aside from seatback.

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Right. Here's how Congressman Gonçalves home state paper, The Arizona Republic, put it in a column today, quote, Where is the condemnation from Gonçalves fellow party leaders, the ones who insist the lunatic fringe is not taking over the once Grand Old Party? This is an easy call for a party that insists it's not the party of white supremacy. It ought to be an easy call not to be an especially easy call because Paul Gosar was joined at the White Nationalist Conference this weekend by Steve King.

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Remember who Steve King is, former Republican congressman. He is a former Republican congressman because he was stripped of his committee assignments, shunned and ultimately defeated in a Republican primary after he said one too many nice things about white supremacy. And that was seen as over the line for the Republican Party. Steve King is Exhibit A for the Republican Party's straightforward playbook about how to handle these things. He's a walking, talking exhibit A standing there at that same white nationalist conference right next to Congressman Gosar.

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How come they're not going to use that playbook against Gosa, the guy who's still currently in Congress? Seriously, are you guys cool this? Tick tock. Watch this space. We are hoping to reunite the families either here or in the country of origin, we hope to be in a position to give them the election and if, in fact, they seek to reunite here in the United States, we will explore lawful pathways for them to remain in the United States and to address the family needs.

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So we are acting as restorative as possible. It is because of the men and women of the Department of Homeland Security and across the federal enterprise that we will dig out of the cruelty of the past administration and we will rebuild our nation's asylum system and all of our humanitarian programs, of which we have been historically so proud as a leader in the world.

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Homeland Security Secretary Mayorkas announcing today that the hundreds of kids who remain separated from their parents due to the Trump administration's family separation policy, they will be given the chance to be reunited with their moms and dads here in the United States, if that's what they want. The Biden administration is trying to reunite those families. They say they are now going to give those families a choice as to whether they will be reunited in the US or in another country. But if they want to be in the US, according to Secretary Mayorkas today, the administration will explore, quote, legal pathways for those families to stay here in the United States.

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Under former President Trump, more than fifty five hundred kids were taken away from their moms and dads at the border when Biden took office. At least a thousand kids were still separated from their families, some of them years later. For 611 kids, hope seemed totally lost because their parents could not be found at all. A court appointed steering committee of lawyers and advocates have been trying to find those families for years, only to learn late in the process that the Trump White House had sat on names and phone numbers and addresses that would have helped with reunification.

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The Trump administration just didn't hand that information over while the kids languished with no families. One month ago, days after the inauguration, the Biden White House launched an interagency task force to try to make these families whole again. And from what we can tell, it seems to be working. Just in the past week, we learned that the parents of one hundred and twelve of those kids have now been located. I mean, that still leaves four hundred and ninety nine kids for whom the parents haven't yet been found.

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So there's a long way to go. But progress does appear to be being made. And for over a hundred of those six hundred otherwise lost kids, their families are now found reacting to today's announcement from the Homeland Security secretary. The executive director of the ACLU, Anthony Romero, said this. He said, quote, These separated families suffered unfathomably because of what our government did and we owe them restitution. This includes a permanent pathway to citizenship, care and resources to help them.

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Joining us now is Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. Anthony, it's really nice to see you. Thank you for making time tonight.

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Of course. Rachel, delighted to be with you. I have a whole mix of feelings about this story, I still find it hard times to talk about, but I'm still as revolted as I ever was as an American that we should be. And I am hopeful that there is progress being made and that the current administration feels as revolted as I think most of us do about what they're trying to clean up. But I'm worried about both the pace and the scale of what they're going to be able to do to try to right this wrong.

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Yeah, well, I share both the urgency, a little bit of the worry, but I'm hopeful today. This has been a long time coming. We filed this lawsuit in February of twenty eighteen on behalf of one client. And today we heard Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas commit to helping us find and restore these families. He said, quote, We will restore them to the fullest capacity that we as a US government can do and quote. So we're going to hold him to those exact words, which I have memorized, because the fullest capacity is is a lot.

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We put a probe on Mars.

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We can find the remaining four hundred ninety nine families. We can bring the families here. We can give them a pathway to citizenship. We can give them restitution for the torture and the child abuse that we committed at the highest levels of our government.

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They orchestrated and approved it so we can do it and we're going to hold them to that word.

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Those words you talk about restitution and trying to make these families whole is part of what needs to be done. Also, retribution. Does there need to be the kind of accountability for the officials who did this, for the policy makers who ordered this and the officials who implemented it? That should involve the Justice Department? Should there be should the criminal penalty, should the Trump administration officials who did this, should they be afraid of of accountability coming by? Absolutely.

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And if we don't hold them accountable in America, you know, the foreign governments and some of our allies will, but absolutely accountability is going to be a part of it. And that was one of the biggest mistakes of the Obama administration, of which President Biden was a part because President Obama decided not to seek accountability for torture.

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You want to look forward and not look back and then look where we ended up under President Trump, we had a family separation policy that was torture. Physicians for Human Rights called the torture. And unless we hold the criminals accountable for the torture and abuse they perpetrated on fifty five hundred families and children, four hundred and ninety nine kids tonight, we don't have a mom and dad around them because of what we did as a government. A policy announced by Jeff Sessions, an official policy, a zero tolerance policy that was not just cruel, it was criminal.

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So we don't hold criminals accountable. Then what is the rule of law? But our first priority right now is to find the remaining four hundred ninety nine kids. Let's make sure that we reunite them, bring all the families back here, give them a pathway to citizenship, restore them a restitution. That means financial resources to put around these families as a way to keep them, keep them from the harm, the trauma that they've experienced to restore them a bit.

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We'll never be able to pay it back. This is a debt will never pay back. This is like turning back the St. Louis during World War two or Japanese American internment. This is one of the greatest stains in American history. But we need to fix it and fix it. Right. And Secretary Mayorkas is to be commended for getting out in front of the cameras today and making a commitment that we haven't heard from any government official before, including the president.

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The secretary of homeland security deserves our applause. Anthony Romero, executive director of the ACLU, thank you for your time tonight. We will stay on the story to the bitter end.

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We swear we will, too. Thank you. I know you will. More ahead here tonight. Stay with us. At the Pentagon today, the Biden administration announced that it will be providing one hundred and twenty five million dollars in new military aid to Ukraine to counter aggression from Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine seven years ago and took part of Ukraine for itself. Russia and Russian backed forces have continued ever since to menace the whole eastern swath of that country. The Biden administration now sending Ukraine money and weapons to defend themselves.

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The sizable package of weaponry they're sending includes two of the US Navy is Mach six weaponized patrol boats and counter artillery radars and satellite imagery capability and military medical equipment. And here's a nice change. The aid comes with no strings attached, huh? Weird, right, to get this help from our government. Ukraine's president doesn't have to announce some bogus investigation into a single one of Joe Biden's potential. Twenty, twenty four Republican presidential opponents.

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Amazing, right? It's weird.

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Also in the night and day news department today, the Biden administration plans to impose sanctions on Russia this week, possibly as early as tomorrow in response to the poisoning and imprisonment of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny. The Trump administration, of course, took no action in response to Russia's poisoning. Navalny with a chemical nerve agent last summer after he recovered from that attack abroad and returned to Russia and was immediately arrested when he landed. Today, we learned that Navalny has been shipped off to a harsh prison east of Moscow, where he'll begin serving a two and a half year prison sentence.

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This week's sanctions, if they are announced, will be the first sanctions levied against Russia by the Biden administration. And they'll reportedly be followed by further sanctions punishing Russia for the devastating solar wind cyberattack, which successfully compromised at least nine US government agencies and about a hundred US companies. Of course, the scale of that damage, a scale of the damage caused by that attack is still being assessed. But it does feel like night and day to finally have an administration who is willing to make Russia pay a price for this stuff.

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Watch this space. Best new thing in the world today here is a fantastic one, the old this little guy. His name is Theo.

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Look at this bundle of cuteness is the brand new son of our beloved producer, Miriam and her husband, Alex. Theo made a surprise grand entrance on Friday night. He was a couple of weeks early. But look, he's still gigantic. Mom and dad and Theo are doing great. Theo already fielding calls from baby hair modeling agencies like he's brand new. He already looks like he's ready for a driver's license and he might soon be able to make a good living as an Elvis impersonator.

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God bless you. Welcome to the world. Are having quite the baby boom on The Rachel Maddow Show right now. Producer Matthew is just back from paternity leave tonight. Miriam just had Theo. Producer Jen is going to be out on maternity leave any second now. Yeah, covid baby bust, as if that does it for us tonight.

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We will see you again tomorrow on The Rachel Maddow Show weeknights at nine Eastern on MSNBC.