Any borders that we do with look good happens to be one of the most loved pieces on this channel. This one is about the story behind the brand. Look what it took. Keep in mind, he began creating this brand that we know of at age 34. Before that, he worked in the corporate space, even worked as a deejay in Goa. This is the story of his journey from growing up in Goa, still setting up this internationally famous brand that we know that's going to continue.
Luke is a huge mentor to me.
He's guided me in some of the most painful moments of my life. There's some emotional parts of this episode. I actually shadowed Theo for the first time in this one. It's one of the episodes that's the closest to my heart because I've known Luke for a very long time. Luke has guided me out of some of the darkest moments of my life.
And strangely enough, this episode was recorded on a very important day for my career. So I've become an investor already, said Jet. It's the first company that I've invested in myself, become very fond of. You do game thanks to all the support from you guys from being a YouTube word to an entrepreneur to now an investor. It's just very overwhelming for me, if you want to check. Already said jet products. Of course, they're linked down below some amazing cosmetics and skincare products.
I really feel you'll enjoy it. Try it out at least.
But for now, enjoy one of my favorite human beings ever in the world, Luca Lenio. He's on the run show. Look, Daniel, I call you one of the all stars of this show, your episode always the most loved. A lot of people know about your knowledge. This one's a little more about the story. I know the real story is going to contain a lot of knowledge as well.
Firstly, welcome back to the run.
Good to see you. Good to see you. So I think, you know, before we started this show, we used to have this little inspiring interview series. And you were one of my first picks for that. And you explain how you went from being a deejay to starting your own brand, which we all know now online. But this one's a little more bold, like the business side of things. Also, how did you traverse that world?
Let's let's talk about that whole story. But as of now, it doesn't do anyone.
Life has brought it back to the place where all of it started. Yeah. So what was that? They what was your lock down? When was the last year been like for you? My lockdowns have been amazing.
No disrespect to the people who have suffered through it. I mean, at any point in life, if someone's feeling good and doing good, there's someone on the other side suffering. So I'm not going to be all saintly and say that, you know, or, you know, it's been bad, right?
It's been great. It's been great. You know, we've worked with patients who have not recovered through covid. We've seen patients.
There's a lot of learning the amount that we've learned through covid like if that didn't happen, it shouldn't have happened then it's not as drastic as we think it is.
You know, the amount of people who are dying of starvation, the numbers are more than the amount of lives lost during Govanhill diabetic's three million deaths a year.
We've not even done zero point zero zero one percent of that cancer deaths, cardiovascular heart attacks. It's huge. So, you know, when the media shows us these numbers, it instills fear in us. But when exactly when you segment it and break it down, the numbers are not as bad. I wish no one died from, but I wish it didn't exist. But it has. But what have you learned from it? Because you don't when something bad happens, we can wallow in self-pity.
We can be stuck over there.
But the way I look at it is what can we learn from this and what is it shown us the importance of vitamin D three, which has always been ignored, the importance of lung health, the importance of if you have diabetes, it's not OK to do something about it, make it better, but it's your job. You can't just be on meds and say, I'm fine, because today these are the cases which are being hurt the most. So it has taught us that on a technical front, number two, it's also shown us two parts to two populations of people.
People lost their jobs. People's business has crashed.
There's one population that slipped into depression and another that have made new businesses, you know, same problem, different mindsets.
There are some people who lost their job and they said we'll never go back to work. They've built online businesses, new revenue streams. So you see, they've taken they've taken difficulties and challenging times and they've converted it into profitability, into a new life. Why? Perspective, mind change, mindset, strength.
So corvids brought out so much. It's been good for the world in terms of pollution and so many different things. That's made us all realize how vulnerable we are. You know, we can't know medicines worked. OK, so we turn back to nature. We turn back. Immunity became a buzzword, you know, before immunity was never even discussed. For five years, we've been screaming immunity. But people will say, what's immunity? What's immunity today?
It's a buzzword. So you see, sometimes the world has to change to bring out the best of what is actually real to us. The basics of like the basics of human life is immunity. You have immunity. You can get any disease. So I think lockdown's been fabulous. It's been fabulous.
You know, that's what we can take away from it right now. Yeah, I think there were two things that came to the forefront. The first was alive. Feel I feel there's different people at different levels of feel inside them. And you got to see in your own friends who are the ones who live of your life. Well, who are the ones who just go for it. That's one thing that came to the forefront. The second thing that came to the forefront from a professional standpoint, but also from a life standpoint, is mental toughness and people.
And I know that the narrative over the last five, five years or so has been about mental health.
And it's important and we will be touching upon that in this podcast as well.
What's not spoken about enough kudos to someone called David Gorgons. What's not spoken about is mental toughness.
Right. I feel that's going to be the next big thing in the world. We've called it mental fitness.
In the past, I had been a mental toughness as my witness on the channel for this reason. The moment you say or beat off people who think it's an attack on the conversation of mental health.
Yeah. And as I said, no, no, not toughness. It's mental illness.
But that's all the more reason you need to stand with this point, because what is mental awareness? We're aware that depression is at its highest. We're aware that suicides, that teenage problems, adult problems, senior citizen problems, etc., mental awareness is not going to fix it. Mental toughness is going to fix it. Yes, I'm sad. Now, what are you going to do about it? OK, we're not disrespecting that you're sad, but what action are you going to take?
Oh, yes, my girlfriend of my boyfriend broke up with me. Yes, I empathize with you. No one likes heartbreak. But now what are you going to do? Are you going to stay stuck or are you going to move on? You need mental toughness. I like your coining a word. Mental fitness. You need it or mental awareness is useless. People are aware of their emotions. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of their emotions.
The thing lacking is action. And they're stuck. They're not moving forward. So, yeah, and you're absolutely right. So when we say you've got to suck it up and be tough, people are like all because you're emotionally weak.
You have to be emotionally strong. Weakness cannot be accepted. It can be worked with. Yes, we can accept it. But now we need to move to action. We can accept it and do nothing about it. Then we're creating a failing model in society where people only get the idea what they want to, you know. Oh, you went through a breakup. Yes. He shouldn't have done that. She shouldn't have done that. Come let's go shop.
Let's go. No pain by, you know, smoking a joint, drinking more alcohol. No, you've created a mentally weak society, but you need someone to say, OK, you know, go home, feel bad, go through the feelings. But tomorrow, get up and move on with your life. It's difficult. No one is saying it is easy, but you've got to do it.
Yeah, that is mental toughness. It's needed.
There's a very small section of urban audiences, I believe, that really, really highlights the darkness of mental health and that whole mental health conversation.
Right. I want you to highlight that. Like I know this whole podcast is about your story, and I know that mental toughness has been a part of your journey. You're someone who always looks at the positive side of things.
And that's not a part of your life that you highlight often. I love for you to highlight some of your own dark times as well in this conversation. And right before you do that again, I'm going to highlight David Gorgons man. Yeah, I discovered him through Djordje Organ and Your Organs podcast. That guy has a catchphrase, David Gorgons, he says Stahle.
And that's that's so important, especially in the modern era, you know, if you like.
I think before covid or even during the lockdown, if you promoted the idea of mental toughness, you had this intersection of urban audiences coming at you and saying that, how dare you say it?
But you know what? You know where all the problems are in that urban audience, emotionally weak and unstable. When I say this, I don't mean it in a disrespect away. I'm to correct a problem. I'm you. If I have a patient in front of me, the only thing I see is your recovery. If you are becoming an obstacle to it, it's my job to break it down. If you don't want to break it down, that's your bottom.
Not going to force you. So all the people who come and say, oh no, you need to be compassionate. Yes, compassion and toughness go together. But you see all the problems when people attack you from a particular standpoint on social media, what those are the audiences that have the problem.
You can see it right there. And then I see it and I know you on the right path. Keep moving forward. So stay hard. Look, it's a fantastic phrase, but, you know, a lot of groups are going to say, like, that's too, you know, callous, that's too rough, but it's the truth. And most people want honesty and truth. But you know where they feel Ranvir, no one can take it.
And the biggest issue in relationships, I want honesty, but they can't take it when they get honesty.
So you build up white lies, you build up walls because you want to satisfy your partner emotionally. Whereas the easiest thing for a guy or girl is to be yourself and be honest, but the other party has to be able to take it. So Stay Hot is great, but people have to see it in the perspective of yes, we empathize. You have a problem. We're not disregarding the pain you're going through, but you have to stay hard.
That's the only way you stay afloat. Right.
So there's a lot of wisdom in that for sure. Yeah. FIMA online trolls or just trolls in general. It doesn't he doesn't like people only point out the negatives that they see within themselves if they feel something negative about themselves. For example, the most common I'm sure even you get this because you are associated with the world of fitness. Someone somewhere will be criticizing something about you, your knowledge or your body, but actually somewhere deep within themselves.
They are criticizing their own knowledge and they're projecting exact they're projecting their insecurities on you. And, you know, trolls basically. I mean, everyone tries to define trolls. They're cowards. And I'll tell you why. Again, coward is a word. And if someone tells me today, look, you know, you behave like a coward for me. I want to know what part of that behavior that was and change it because I don't want to be a coward.
So I'm taking it positively.
But trolls, because they know they don't have to come face to face, they attack and they project now face to face. They will never be able to project their insecurities on someone. So social media is given a platform to people to hide behind a screen and project, because if you want to give constructive criticism, you can still use the platform when someone's trolling.
It's a very, very deeply rooted negative in them at the project.
And, you know, a lot of people ask me around, but I'm sure you've gone through it. It affects us. Why? And it should affect. Does you know why? Because the brain works on survival, anything that threatens our peace, our happiness, our safety, the mind is on alert. So if you ever notice, I'm going through five hundred comments of love and thing, but the mind will pick up that one control and focus and people say or be strong.
Look, I'm trying to be strong. No, no, it's natural. What's happening? Threat to survival, negative threat.
The brain perceives it as a threat. Now, what you're going to do, it is up to you whether you're going to take it on or ignore it or whatever. But a lot of people feel. But why is it affecting me? Look, I shouldn't. I'm meditating every day.
It will affect you because your brain is focused on survival. Anything that's a threat, it will focus its attention on that. But all the other 300 comments of love and appreciation is not a threat. So it's not going to stimulate that same thing. So when we accept this, we don't put ourselves down for like I need to meditate more because this affected me today. No, it was meant to affect you. Now, how attached you are to that is your decision.
So if you're in Dach attached and entangled, then maybe you need to meditate more and more to detach.
But if you're not, you see it. You recognize it as a threat.
Take action block, do what you want and move on. So but the overall thing is nothing but projection. These people are angry or they're trying to be you or they want to be better than you or what you've achieved is what they've never been able to achieve. So the only thing that they can do is try to pull you down and they can't do it physically. So they do it behind screen. I think this is kind of a clip from this particular episode is very important for the times that we live in because everyone's become a content creator.
No, that's what they say about the 2020. Every single human has become a content creation. Yeah.
You know, man, I know you think for like two, three years now maybe. And you've always guided me at some important junctures in my life.
I've never really, really asked you about the guy. Look, I've always looked at you as for lack of a better word, bhaiyya like a big bro. But I've never asked you about what you were like when you were my age, what you were like in your mid twenties.
And I feel like you've gone through some shit that you don't address. So this whole part guzzles about that shit man that you don't put out online because you do.
I know that you speak from your heart and every single piece of going online. It's actually what you're feeling in the present. And you're someone who doesn't really focus on your past. You don't even call your struggles, is struggling with what happened.
Like it goes back to that. I mean, I know you don't like using that word because that's like in your early 20s, mid 20s, or I'll be really, really honest with you.
When I looked at this, OK, I've never had a struggle. I've never seen anything as a struggle. You know, I think like so if you ask me my story, there's no story. I'm probably in Chapter two, chapter three. And I don't know what's going to happen the next year. I've gone with the flow. Always go back to my years. I never knew I would do this one.
OK, just want to give the audience some context, OK? Your health career started at age thirty four. Yes. How will you know I am now forty one. Forty one.
And that's like what seven years. Yeah. Seven. So when the forty 2013. Yeah. What happened in the pre 2013. 2014. And you had like sort of a meteoric rise in this whole health world.
OK, so I'm going to call it out right now because I don't have a story. I was an IBM, OK, you know, about to become a deputy general manager. And so that whole thing, you want to become a GM and a VP and all of that stuff. And you always look at the people above you, you know, the VP, the senior managers, traveling business class all over the world, important meetings and stuff.
And I would just look at their lives, one at cholesterol, one had diabetes, one add whatever.
And I was like, you know, it doesn't make sense.
There was one who couldn't even fit into the seat of a business class. So I was like, you know, something's wrong. What is wrong over here? OK, I identified a gap. OK, I have to tell you one point. I wouldn't see it as a struggle. I see it as a blessing because that's what that's what shaped my career. I wasn't a Hakl operations in IBM. I had this boss because name was because of Arama, OK?
And one day he came to me and said, look, you're going to fail in operations because you don't like numbers. Operation is all about Excel and I don't. He identified something that I was just trying to be good at because to succeed in operations you've got to be good at PNL and all of that stuff.
You said, you know what? I'm going to move you into learning and development because you know how to teach.
You know, you speak well and all of that stuff. So I was upset that night, like, you know, he discovered like a root of mine, but he had the guts to call it out.
The next day. I told him, yeah, let's move. I move to learning and development. Beautiful position.
And IBM, I had a lot more time to pursue my studies in nutrition. So that was one thing that happened to is if he had not pulled me out there, I would still be in the struggle of the corporate ladder. Yeah.
So if you see pull me out of the struggle, which he identified it, I didn't see as a struggle for me. It was like, you know, rat race, rat race, OK, fake it through the meetings, pretend you understand numbers and stuff like that.
I didn't. And then I moved into learning and development I.
A lot more time to study, and that's when I started I was working more closely with the VPs and stuff, I noticed the gap that these people have the worst lifestyles.
So I was at the junction of my career. Do I want to get to nutrition, pediatrics, integrative medicine, all of these things? And I said there's enough of all of this happening in the world, but no one is teaching people lifestyle how to live, how to.
If you're Busia, what do you need to do to stay busy, successful, but keep your health.
And that was the game changer in my life. Ranvir. I took lifestyle, got into lifestyle, medicine, integrative medicine, merged everything together and just fill the gap that no one was filling. No one was filling.
So honestly, I've just been flowing through life and wherever I see a gap and I feel if I fill it, there's going to be impact. I jump into it. I don't even look to see what's going to happen and stuff. So two months I started seeing patients and stuff and I said when I was probably earning about eighty thousand rupees at that time and I said, OK, fine, plus, plus all of this. So when I hit one lockin my client consults, that's the time I leave.
OK, but one night I realized, why am I so fearful about this. I know I'm good. My clients are increasing, I'm changing their lives and stuff. I said, let me just resign and see what happens. Best decision of my life from one lakh and went up to like ten lacks the next month to fifteen lacks like, you know, it's just that feel you've got to overcome fear.
So I know I can't think of a story. I had a great childhood. I mean everyone I'm in a family where my parents fought, but it's not, we're not damaged because of that. I'm happy I saw it because I can relate to other families as well and realize that fighting is real. People are different. But what you can learn from that, my parents are still together. You learn to forgive. We're back as a family. We've grown up seeing forgiveness happen.
Maybe that's where we connect on a subconscious level.
Oh, you didn't know that about me? I didn't know that about until this point.
But I have exact reflective battle journey to what you just said. And let's go on.
Family, kids, brothers and sisters. We still fight. I'm in goal for a year staying with my parents. That's why I went back to Gore. OK, now, I left home at the age of 18 and I'm going back at forty one and staying with them. They're all going to be differences, adjustment, staying. I fought with my dad several times over this one year, but by dinnertime we're fine and it's so healthy, you know.
So I think there's so much learning. But you see today that urban audience that you speak about who does a fight. OK, let's get a therapist.
Let's get a counselor. I mean, you know, I mean, no disrespect to counselor. Some people need it, but what are you doing to figure it out? So has the world projected a perfect family to you that doesn't fight a perfect relationship where people don't go wrong? Yeah, that's the projection of the world and that's where the suffering breeds from. Yeah. So a child today who has always been told that, oh, you're beautiful, you're the best, and you step out into the real world and you don't give a fuck about you, you know, you're No.
One. Yeah. And so and then they're like, I need a therapist, I need a therapist. And no one loves me. No one appreciates me. Emotionally weak society. OK, blame the parents, blame society, blame whatever and stuff like that. Love your child. But when you need to discipline them, you need to discipline them. You need to call a spade a spade. That's part of upbringing, you know. So I think I've not gone through a struggle.
Do I have a dark side of my life? Of course, absolutely. I've done my share of stuff and whatever.
But I can tell you, if I had not done that today, I wouldn't be who I am. Because, again, there's a lesson to take. Of course, I'm not killed anyone not done anything bad that way. But you know what guys do as we grow up, all of that stuff.
I've had my share of broken relationships where I've broken them. I have to die. And after that, I've gone through it. OK, yes. Maybe I shouldn't have caused the pain, but there's a lesson. What is the lesson? OK, your actions cause hurt small lesson. Everyone deals with it. But for me, who was I at that point and why couldn't I be satisfied.
Why couldn't I. So I can look back at those relationships and say I was never in love.
Don't fool yourself thinking that just because you're in a relationship, you're in love. For me, it was curiosity. It was wonderful. It was fun and all of that stuff.
But accepting that today makes me more mature when I'm able to handle relationship problems of my clients and tell them it's OK, it's OK.
Don't think you messed up everything. It is OK because you're beating up your girlfriend or you're beating up your husband. That happens to well, that's not OK.
But if there's a problem, fix it. You don't want to fix it. Don't stay as simple as that. You don't need to if you don't have the will to fix something, you don't need a counselor to try to fix that. You made up your mind.
No one can change that walk out.
Yeah, so but the dogfaces in my life is that. But I covered with light as quickly as possible because I'll tell you what, whoever I've worked with, everyone you meet, all of us, we have a bright side and we have a dark side. Be aware of your dark side. Is that harming someone? Is it harming you?
Is it draining you? All of that stuff? You know, Aymond, do what you want. Otherwise, we do have rights and dark side.
Now you want to grow brighter, so the darker you know, it becomes less dark.
Everyone has it, but everyone's trying to be too good all the time. Everyone's trying to be like I'm. This and this and this, and I say, what about this? Is this your life is boring if you're only this, this, this and stuff, why are you ashamed of talking about it or whatever? That's what makes life beautiful. That's what makes life beautiful.
So I really don't think I have a struggle in my life at all. My biggest struggle is Mumbai traffic, which is all sorted because I'm in Goa. You know, I don't I don't know how to handle it. It frustrates me two hours. I can be I can see like like four patients, five patients. I'm not allowed to deal with it. I'll meditate, I chant whatever, but it's fixed. I'm going right now. I don't have a Mumbai traffic struggle right now.
Well, my my immediate solution for that problem in my life is I'm going to sit in my car and I'm going to be content. Like, I'm just going to record myself doing something that's that's the immediate solution.
But you don't from everything you said, there's so many aspects I wish to highlight. There's a lot of people listening to the podcast right now who, like you, highlight the relationships. What I want know more about looks, relationships. Just so you know, that's going to be another whole episode that will return after this.
Before I'm going to go back to the theme of this podcast, which is mental toughness.
Right. I'm going to say something controversial that might get me into some trouble, but I'm seeing it in a very general way.
You highlighted this whole aspect of therapists, psychologists who've dedicated their entire life to helping young people and the mental health issues.
And I'm sure that they know about the human mind with people than people from other professions.
But and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm asking you this question.
I'm not making any statements.
Do you believe that the human mind is limited enough for someone to take all aspects of it and put it inside a textbook? Because it's possible?
Yeah, I personally believe, especially with psychology students, I've spoken to a few students studying in Mumbai University, the very arrogant about the stuff they read in the textbooks. For example, I know that there's a textbook in Mumbai University that actually just kind of calls meditation false because meditation feek, that's not one of econ, since that's not what Leukotriene says.
That's not my experience. As I've come out of body experiences and meditation, I have seen my own mental health get better over time through consistent meditation. I've seen my mental toughness increased to meditation and I feel that experience is the biggest job. Honestly, maybe that was my own subjective experience, but. I don't believe that psychology textbooks completely encapsulate the human mind, and I have met some fantastic psychologists, some fantastic therapists who have learned through the experience of coaching or mentoring other people.
I feel that that's what teaches them the most. But never limit your perspective on things because of the textbooks that you've read.
So absolutely, textbooks are guides. Let's go back to medical science. OK, anatomy is my favorite subject, but it gives me information and knowledge on how your heart works. What will happen if your levels go up? What happens if you have plaque in your brain? You know, it's great as a benchmark anatomy in a book. You're that's a book structure is right. Everything is good, but you are constantly changing.
OK, just because anatomy says that a plaque will happen in the age groups of 50 to 60, OK, doesn't mean we stop looking at it only when you're 50 or 60. It's a process that has started probably when you are 30 because you have low vitamin B 12, your sleep deprived example. That's where the book it's great, but that's where it ends now for me, I want to know how can I prevent that plaque from coming in your brain?
So I'm going to look beyond that. But just because science isn't looking beyond that and they haven't put the pieces together doesn't mean you're wrong. So psychology. Yes, there's a process, there's a book and all of that stuff. But your brain is constantly evolving and changing every second. OK, how can you just take textbook knowledge and put it into a solution for your brain and your emotional problem? OK, someone's going through a divorce.
It's the same thing, except it start going out, start doing the studying and don't you how are you changing? What role did you play in your own suffering? They're trying to make you feel better all the time by taking responsibility out of you. But when it comes down to depression even and a lot of people who are depressed, they don't like when I say this, it's your responsibility. At the end of the day, take help, take a course, go to a psychologist.
I have psychologist on my team. That's why we say integrative medicine. I know a psychologist cannot fix my patient alone without us looking at their meditation. On one side, the Yorgos of my psychologist doesn't believe in meditation. That's fine.
You do your bit. My meditation teacher will take over and teach this person meditation because it is needed. So that's what integrative medicine. That is what we do. We take the patient what you need, not what the textbook says. OK, we want to break the rules of the textbook. But if I feel Ranveer needs. A higher protein diet and a higher carb diet because he's carb efficient. I'm not going to look at a textbook that says, oh, low carb is the best, you know, because if I put a CGM monitor on you and I find out that you are carb efficient, guess what?
You're going to lose more weight with knobs. So I'm treating you as an individual. I'm using the knowledge of the textbook. So you are absolutely right. People who see that's the difference between a successful psychologist and a psychologist who is not so successful. My point is everyone studied the same thing. All of it should be a class psychologist. What's the difference?
Curiosity, curiosity and experience. One person goes beyond and uses experience and textbook knowledge. The other person who who's probably not made it yet is still stuck in a textbook and is trying to fit the patient in a box in the textbook and never, ever work that way.
I always give a simple example. Plus, doctors would pass out of Harvard and Yale Medical College every year. How many of them will make it as the most successful doctors? Two, three or four? Why not hundred? Same textbook, same knowledge, same professors. What's the difference?
The person, the experience, how much they went the extra mile to fuse everything to get and give a result. But those who are still stuck in the textbook textbook writing articles about saturated fat is bad for you. You know, like still articles coming out from leading institutes across the world, you know, that's what I mean. They're the textbook boned and that's the problem.
So, look, correct me if I'm wrong. Know, this is from my fitness only days when I was the only great fitness going and I had a deep dive into fitness.
And what I realized is that there's multiple schools of thought when it comes to fitness, some of which are extremely contradictory and also multiple studies that back those multiple schools.
So school will say, well, you know, and there's lots of studies that back that and then School B was they say, you know, and there's studies that Baghdad School Seaver's it balanced and the studies that back that studies are something that you can manipulate, right?
Yeah. Like you can chainsawed not because that's what my learning was when I dived into stuff.
People used factors in those studies to come to conclusions which could easily be twisted as individuals, factors that were obviously more beneficial to the conclusion they wanted.
Absolutely. Yeah. And that's why I realized that you you can't really rely on these fitness studies for the ultimate truth. And then the more I worked with clients, the more I met people like yourself.
I realized that it's so subjective what works for a particular mind or a particular body or a particular weight loss experience for someone or weight gain experience for someone is very subjective to the individual. And you can't say that. Or there's a study that's.
Come on. That's why I'm saying, look, there's a book that's. Come on. That's what I'm saying. But we have top fitness professionals.
We have people on fitness academies putting up, you know, stuff that only back school, A school B or schools or school and their whole life becomes centered on.
And they're not willing to accept that the human body is different for everyone. And what you said about, you know, with integrative medicine, you have a team. No team approaches the same problem from five directions because this is so much more a team sport with different experiences and different learnings. Come together and help that one person.
Yeah, because Ivan Watson is such a varied subjective experience versus only one person helping your patient and saying that, oh, I've studied this school a so you've got to listen to school. Am I right in saying this?
You're absolutely right. And let me give you an example, OK? Most of the studies are manipulated. We know that today. OK, today, I mean, the more and more you see it on the news, top studies have been manipulated. People have been paid thousands and thousands of US dollars to manipulate. And because it comes with from a recognized institute, everyone believes we would like to believe that would be an ideal world where we don't have to do the thinking.
OK, so you can't base your dynamic's your made up of physiology, biology, chemistry on a study. Now, I will use a study if today one of my patients is on a blood thinner, OK? And an aggravated doctor says, hey, listen, I want to put you on our show, Ganda, I want to know how they contradict. I will look at studies to see what possibly comes safe and then make a decision because you never know even how that's going to interact in the body.
So that can give me some base to a decision.
But all these studies of fitness look at people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, all of these things. And yet, do you think they even referred to one study in their life?
They follow the principle of progression, OK, more protein, more progression, more muscle. And I have muscle build up principle, which they believed in. And they went through this. Do you think, at the start of Arnold Schwarzenegger's career, they even had as many studies as we have? You see, I've noticed another thing. A lot of people today, they're not connected in words. They don't they're scared to make a decision using the. Own logic, and they want to they want to think so, they hide behind studies, they go to extremes like I have nothing against vegans, I don't know.
But a lot of these people, it's a sense of identity for the vegan and carnivore and what it would be. What you want steak. I'm looking for you, OK? Don't say I'm vegan and then come to me and say I have this issue, I'm Carnivore and then come to say I have cholesterol issues. Be humble about it.
If it suits you, it works for you. Beautiful. Go. Don't change the world by coming up with end studies, which can also be proven completely wrong by another department. So I think people are wasting their lives behind these studies trying to push things out. It's ego and it's ego. And no, it's way deeper than that. It's a it's an attention seeking mechanism.
I tell you why you only move to extremes when you want a sense of identity. There's nothing wrong with keto. So to do it, OK, it's just not sustainable. Don't do it. Change to something is go back 10, 15, 20 years that our the the people in that generation need a study to tell them what to eat or why they're more intuitive. OK, when I eat more fat and protein, I have mental clarity. I lose weight.
I feel good. That's my diet. OK, well I feel better on carbs. I'm going to eat carbs. Well, I feel horrible when I'm sitting at home and not working out. They were intuitive and everyone has a different body.
So I can go out and say low carb is the way forward. I have diabetics eating medium carbs and they're doing fantastically well. I have people who go low carb and their blood sugar levels plummet down and have bigger problems when they wake up in the morning. Everyone is individual.
So hiding behind a study, see, it can possibly give you that that move to moving into a direction.
But you claim and you respond to that study. No, it's right. And you ask them three or four, like ask one question, why are you doing this? I don't have an answer to why now.
All I know with vegan is going away. Why are you doing it?
So someone says, Oh, I brought it up and I have milk and stuff, soup answer.
But most people I don't you know, there are studies that say this. No way you so I'm saying, see, there are good studies as well, but most of them can be controlled. My point is, when it comes to things like lifestyle, you don't need a study to tell you to meditate. You don't need a study to tell you to do deep breathing exercises. This is common sense. You don't need a study to tell you these things.
My point is, if you're connected in words and you're listening, your body is talking to you all the time. Hey, what you wait didn't make me feel good, but you're going on eating the same stuff, stupidity. And then you want to look at studies and go on to an extreme measure where the only change was your overeating. You don't need an extreme change. You need to stop overeating.
So I think we've lost that intuitive skill because that's unfortunately what social media and everything does, right? We're connected outwards, so we don't know how to connect in and rely on our own inner voice that, look, there's a break up today or a girl wants to break up with a boy or a boy once a week.
They have to speak to ten friends for validation. My point is, what do you want to do? Oh, I don't know. How can you not know what you want to do?
So that means you are going to base your entire relationship on ten of your friends. That opinions then off facts.
There's a big difference. What is your feeling? They can't even they need validation to even make a decision of whether I should see this boy or this girl or break up, you know, and that's dangerous to society.
That's very dangerous because people are going to change. Opinions are going to change. Facts stay the same. So we have to lean more towards facts.
So, you know, what men like was scanning some of manga entertainment young talents. There's these bunch of kids.
Eighteen years old. Nineteen years old. The gamer with this little podcast, this guy called David Ironi and a friend of mine.
The idea and they are speaking about some really deep shit, I didn't think like this when I was eight, and they see that like these kids who 18 years old, one of them was talking about, the younger sister was 13 years old. And they said that all my 13 year olds are still is way more different than I am. She's even more intelligent, even people. She thinks differently than I did. A 13 year old of two thousand twenty one is what born in 2008, where Facebook was at its peak.
Yeah, she was born into a world of social media. She was born into a world of information. So I feel that that generation is a double edged sword.
So that's what it's called. Absolutely. Absolutely. You'll be extremely intelligent and slash. You will have so much information that will mess you up.
Yeah, that's the world we're going into.
And I kind of for some reason, because of what happened in the lockdown and people weren't so much within themselves, I am a little optimistic about the generation after lockdown.
Before the lockdown, I would have said, no, no, I'm a little worried for you because I feel people of people are kind of awakening to intuition again and concepts of going within yourself, looking within yourself, concepts like meditation, people understanding that, how it's something that can add to your mental fitness, active mindfulness, the generations that have taken a hit of the 90s born generations and the 80s, one generation, which is mine, and I see that around me.
I go to Soho House, I go to a club, I speak to people my age. People are little older than me who are dealing with tons of divorces, tons of, you know, just general issues. These twenty years, nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety nine people born in that year are probably the most. It's a mentally weak, almost man, which is exactly why I want to highlight your life again. Yeah.
What was your 20s like when you were you thinking about some really big shit because you've achieved. Kind of the dream for a lot of health professionals, so not only are we putting pressure on yourself, because that's when I went with the flow in my 20s, I didn't know what I wanted to do. But were you visualizing your life? Never.
I learned visualization only when I saw how it worked on my patients. I began to believe in it, in it. When you when you know what? I can share this thought, oh, I wasn't a good student. And this is not negative self talk, OK? When I say that, I'm going to tell you why I wasn't a good student. I couldn't understand complication. I couldn't understand anything that was complicated. My brain could pick up things which was simple and, you know, thrive on that, OK?
Which is true knowledge, which is true knowledge. OK, so I was really bad in math.
Physics, barely scraped through class, all of that stuff.
So even when I moved into this field, everyone around me couldn't believe that I can talk like, you know, medical science the way I do it today.
I reflected on this what changed in me. I wasn't aspiring for it.
I didn't have this dream. I want to be this health professional. Absolutely not. You know what I realized and this is my truth because my brain can't see complication. I can look at the most complicated problem and my brain will try to simplify it so I can understand it.
So you come at me with a ton of reports and a ton of symptoms.
My brain is going to look for the simplest things that could have caused this and build on it.
And that's my success.
And people aren't willing to accept that the complicated problems can be that simple. All my complicated cases, I mean, I have medical doctors on my team today who say, look, the complicated cases are solved by the simplest solutions for that. You've got to be hard to accept the truth. So if I'm here to tell you today that your hormonal imbalance, not you, is because of sleep deprivation, I am telling you the truth now. You're not wanting to believe it doesn't change the truth.
So the people who believe it, they're like, look, my endometriosis has disappeared. I don't need surgery. Am I a genius? No, I just told you something which makes sense to me, which is the truth, which can also be backed by studies.
Example for the people who will want to study that, I need to sleep well.
OK, that's it. So for me, I have taken a weakness which I thought was always a weakness. And today that's my biggest strength, my biggest strength. So if my CFO comes up with a complicated business expansion plan, OK, I just tell him simplify it and five bullet points. And if it makes sense to me, do it. If it doesn't make sense, I don't want to be involved in it. I don't want to be pulled into complication.
So that's honestly my only thing, you know. So if I look back, that's why I always say it's never a struggle. I mean, because I've always looked at it. If it's a struggle, I've made it into something which is super, super beneficial for me.
And that's you know, you keep saying I'm positive. That's all it is. I mean, whatever mistakes I've seen, I've taken away with it. I can't change who may have gotten hurt in the process. I can't I can tend not to do that again, but I can only move forward and see who I was at that point, who she was at that point, who the patient was at that point, and build a new story out of it.
Yeah. So technically, in my 20s, let me go back to my 20s.
What was I doing in 20s? I probably hit Dobi at that point. I got selected for an interview. I went in for a base position interview, but I decided to put the higher position like a team leader, OK?
And I got selected and everyone was like, you don't even have a year of experience. But the truth is I got selected, so I moved at a higher position to Dubai from Dubai.
I moved to London from London. I came back to India. From there, I went back to Dubai.
I was just going with the flow, didn't know what I wanted to do until I finished ten years. And IBM, that's when life hit me. And I believe that if life hit me with this health professional in my twenty five years, I would have failed. I didn't have maturity, I didn't have drive and the want to make that my thing.
So I believe life pushed me through this journey, which is zero.
Again, people say, look, what if you started this when you were twenty four? I said I wouldn't be successful. I was not meant to do this at twenty four.
There's a time and place for everyone in life for everyone.
And I grew up with my dad telling me that he said, don't try to push your time before there's a time and place. It is planned, it is written. You can't change that. You can't change certain things in life. And today I wouldn't change anything in my past at all. Yeah, I wouldn't change anything. Yeah.
I definitely want to ask you a lot about your business because I believe that the same mindset that you used to go this deep into the world of health, you have used it to some extent in your business career, in your professional life.
But before that, I just want to highlight three things that I get from your journey.
The first is that that's the most absolutely never stop learning. Yeah, that's your biggest strength also.
And I feel that that's something very underrated in the modern day, because especially when you're in a scientific field like medicine or engineering, you're always told in college that or if you want to make it big, you've got to learn a crazy amount. And that process of. Winning is going to mean for your future, a lot of kids, but when you actually get out in the real world and you begin your learning process, you realize, oh, it was just this.
I figured it out. Yeah.
When, for example, if you think of Elon Musk was creating SpaceX, he thought himself rocket science and on board cosmology, organize, explained rocket science and did it in simple words that, OK, this is what you need. This is how I figured it out. And you realize that even something as complicated as rocket science is just about great in that learning process.
That's one thing I want to highlight about you. The second thing I want to highlight about you is probably something you don't give yourself enough credit for, which is maybe genetic, maybe due to childhood experiences. You a great communicator, you're a great orator, which again is why you probably got selected as a team leader. And the third thing is, again, it kind of highlights that learning process, but it's a code of Steve Jobs that stayed with me all my life.
So Steve Jobs said that this one, quote, changes in daily life. He says that the moment you realize that the entire world was created by people no smarter than yourself is where everything changes for you, where once you realize that you can create a world that works according to your rules, that everything changes, but you need to have the balls to think that way.
I think you need guts enough here. You've got to put fear and aside like a lot of people say, look, you know, you're the best. And I know I say I'm the best in my mind, I have to be. It's not in an arrogant way.
You know, people around me can be better. I can learn from them all of that. But when I'm treating a patient, if I don't think I'm the best in my mind, how am I going to treat a cancer patient? I have to be the best in my mind, open to learning, not the best that I know at all.
That's that's a that's a that's a really bad attitude, thinking you're the best and that no one is better than you. I know there are people better along with me and I can learn from them. But when I'm treating someone, I have to be the best in my mind. Otherwise, why will you put your life in my hands if I'm not the best in my mind? So it comes down to your mindset at the end of the day and.
Absolutely, and I think I've been blessed with a lot of luck. I've always been lucky. Some people say it's not lucky. Some, you know, I think what's worked for me, honestly, even I've gotten out of control, your relationships, this, that, whatever.
I've never done anything with the wrong intention, even the worst things in my life that I shouldn't have done. My intention was never negative, never to harm someone, never do. Like if if I do, time to go. I'm telling you honestly right now, I don't care what people say it was because I didn't know how to say no to the first guy. You know, I didn't want to hurt you. And I know, you know, you are going to hurt her when she finds out.
I just didn't know how to do it. So today, when I look back, OK, I don't like confrontation. I have to learn how to be OK with confrontation. But my intention was never like, oh, wow, I can get laid on both sides. I can get this. It was never, never, ever that intention. So I believe that my luck or whatever you you know, you call it a scam always because it's been your intention behind everything.
So when people say, hey, well, you're lucky. I just think that I never had a bad intention. It's never been. So that's my belief. It doesn't have to be other people's stories. But this is my story. It's my belief. That's what I think has worked for me, because I think a lot of people who look up to us, you know, a lot of I keep telling my fans and followers, don't try to be me.
Me is working for me. You may want to take away one thing from that, but don't try to be me. I've never had a role model in my life. I can't be that person. But I can take away a little bit from, you know, whoever my role models are. A little bit from Mike Tyson, a little bit from Duboc example, whatever I can say, like I want to be like that. You can't you can't do so.
I think it comes from there.
So I have this theory about life that I've repeatedly understood is the right theory. So according to me, life boils down to being a cheesecake, OK, a cheesecake is made up of your bottom line, which is your trusty biscuit.
And then it's made up.
It's made up also of your cheese and cream on the top, which is the other little.
It's the brown layer and the yellow on the brown is who you are as a person. The crust, what's inside, what's the base of it. Are you a good person? You have good intentions.
All the people. Are you doing good things in the world?
The top layer is your level of domination. This is something I've been beating my team a lot because I saw it as a missing link in a lot of people within my team. Domination of the spirit of backing yourself, going after things, whether that's you giving your relationship or you're giving your all your career mixed with domination in your learning process that she's learning, going behind, learning with everything you've got. Correct. You mix that spirit of domination of your learning with nomination, with your work.
That's your yellow lilies and your crusties who was and in your karma, that makes a good cheesecake.
You know, that's beautifully put beautifully. But absolutely. See, the crust can't really be changed. It can be built on, like you said, the layers, what you put over there, it can be changed over time with a lot of, you know, going back to your childhood, changing the things that. And work for you back then and all of those things, but, yeah, that's a brilliant, brilliant way of explaining it.
Which now brings me to how you applied the cheesecake to your business career, like because you had corporate experience, which I'm short on your people skills, taught you how the corporate world works.
Again, a couple of things I want to highlight. You're not from an overly privileged continent or anything, correct? Yeah, that's an excuse that a lot of people use.
I am from a privileged background. Honestly, the best thing my dad ever did for me was the moment I got out of college, a tough conversation with me where he said that I will let you stay in the house that I've built. I will not give you a single rupee to begin your own thing. Your pocket money stops from today. You are going to figure out how to earn your own money. And if you want to start a business, I'm not even going to give you a loan.
You bootstrap from the get go.
Mm. While I was a tough listen for me, it put my back against the wall and ask, what are the skills that I know right now? Yeah, I studied fitness in college. I knew I could sell fitness.
Who am I going to select fitness? I didn't have any clients at 22, so I literally went up to people at Garderobe and I kind of didn't see I mean, I was doing sales back then. I didn't know that I was doing sales, but I was selling myself.
I was just speaking confidently, pointing out their flaws in very positive ways, pointing out their insecurities.
Dolgopolov ambitious looking teenagers that maybe you need some fitness help and help you.
I'll be that guy for you. I get a message on my Facebook page saying I'm interested in taking over. Those are my first few clients and I was able to pay for myself like that. The money I made to the training I didn't spend on partying. I spent on my YouTube equipment. I spent on the train travel that I did abandon and I spent on building my own career. People often see someone from a slightly more privileged background and think that even they had it easy.
And I'm not saying I've had it as difficult as many people have. People also believe that I had a backup plan, which maybe I did, man, but I never went to that mentality. I always meant with the mentality of, OK, whatever, that's fine. I'm going to look forward. I'm going to do my own thing. Yeah, you weren't in that position. You had earned money through your corporate life.
You had saved up some stuff. And my gauge of yours that you probably gave us has three to six months. You said that, OK, I'm going to budget out these three to six months, but I'm going to dominate and go for it in terms of building my own career.
I'm going to build my own business with this little back up of this money that I've saved.
Right. And then you back those skills, you back to your learning process and back your sales skills. You backed your idea of preparing yourself. Is that what happened in that piece when you were switching from corporate to business?
So I'm going to remove all the masks. I don't think I have a mask on since I started with you anyway.
OK, so this is we have a pretty similar story that my dad said. When you're 18, you're out of the house. In my case, OK, you can go where you want, whatever you do. Your first tattoo will get your first year piercing when you're eighteen. So the moment I was 18, I went got my first tattoo, whatever. The next day I was on a bus from Goa to Bombay with two hundred bucks in my pocket.
OK, I'm sorry. That's a lie. That's a lie. I had about ten grand, which is a lot of money. All my money, my collected money at a nice music system. Ten grand, my pocket. I headed to Bombay. I was lucky my mom had a place in Bandra OK, which I got kicked out of six months later because my mom's brother was a priest and he wasn't too happy when he found like a chillum in his chalice and the cupboard and stuff.
So I was kicked out, had to rent and stuff. But. But Supergiant, no regrets. It was like fun.
OK, I came, I worked and I worked in McDonalds. I was an HMO, I was an HMO. I got picked up on campus. So there was this whole management course for six months where you come, you work in all departments, clean toilets, do all of that stuff, and then you become a management trainee stipend with five hundred bucks. OK, I was at the Ontario McDonalds and stuff like that.
You can't live in Bombay on five hundred bucks even at that point.
So I would have all my meals, burgers, shakes, all of that stuff at McDonalds, go back home. I realize this isn't going to be at all. Centers are sprouting up in the country at that point. OK, salary of seven thousand bucks.
I said from five hundred bucks to seven thousand you just go and over there you are put into this call center with loads and loads of people, body life, all of that stuff. So I worked in a call center for one and a half year time of my life. Beautiful stuff. And that's when I got picked up for the interview in Dubai where they came to select call center agents. I said, let me try for the team leader position applied, got through massive.
So I went into slightly higher salary over there on the money I saved in Dubai and all of that stuff. I would send the money home. I would send a little money to my parents, all of that stuff. Not that they ever needed it, but I felt like doing it. When I came back after a couple of months in Dubai, I took whatever money I had saved and I bought an end field. OK, absolutely no life plan at all.
I think I must mention my dad here, he's brought us up with this would call Providence and we've seen it. What does it always believe in Providence means? You'll be looked after. Does doesn't mean you sit at home and don't work. Do your best, but you're being looked after. And I've seen Providence in my dad's life like like anything. He was the general manager of Caterpillar, you know, a life private jets to Switzerland, all that jazz and stuff like that.
I retired at a very young age because he wanted to move back to Goa and be with the kids. So all of that stuff, you know, he did that. He made his money, came back. We had a very, very mediocre, decent childhood and stuff like that. But he always told us, I will give you all the best education. After that, you're on your own because you have six siblings. And I got to look after all of them.
OK, so this Providence, I, I think it's ingrained in me. I always believe that as long as I'm working hard, I'll be looked after.
So I went back to London, came back, made a little bit of money, joined IBM on a salary of maybe twenty thousand, OK, worked and stuff like that. Now let me tell you and I and I want to I want to tell you this part of the story. When I quit IBM, I got married a year before one year before I quit IBM. I spent six lakhs on my wedding, five to six with the ring and all of that jazz, you know, Catholic weddings, and you don't have all these fancy things, peaceful fun, all of that stuff in my total savings I would have had around.
Maybe 15 to 16 lacks, OK, which clearly shows you I didn't really save much, I didn't splurge either.
I lived I paid rent in Bandra. I wanted to stay in Bandra. I paid rent to forty thousand, all of that jazz.
And, you know, I didn't need money to start my business because my business was exactly like you when I was an IBM. How do I get my first client was the biggest snooke.
OK, we had a British in IBM. She was managing an account and she was like, look, I have all these problems. I said, do this, this, this sorted it out.
She then spoke to a diamond jeweler, OK, whose apartment she was renting.
And Jewel, OK, I don't want to mention that guy's name right now for various reasons.
He called me OK, overweight guy. He said, stop working with me and stuff like that. My fee was like 250 bucks, 300 because I'm like trying to please people. I want them to like me for what I do, sorted him out. Next thing, I was on a plane to Belgium because the whole diamond community is there. So this guy look, he Gujarati foody help me lose weight. So what if what went wrong? He's not going to stop your career, any other doctors and stuff.
So I was put onto a flight to Belgium and every single day meeting all of these diamond community people, building, understanding and all of that stuff. So I got into that. I didn't need money for that. OK, I need money for that. Then I told my wife, like, you know, and, you know, I'm just going to quit now and stuff like that. She didn't give a damn. We didn't even think about, you know, you're not gonna have a fixed salary, this stuff, whatever.
So I had no backup plan. I had no backup plan. I had Vishal Gonadal on one side. We were building an idea of Gokey and stuff like that. He had he'd say, how come I can afford fifty thousand bucks right now, ESOPs and stuff like that, you know, so I just threw myself into it without thinking a month after that because I had more time.
I don't have a corporate job.
My clients increased and because people needed me more, I started filtering on price. So from five hundred bucks I went to a thousand from thousand I went to five thousand. In three months I had gone up to about twenty five thousand bucks because I could filter it out. I knew I was effective.
OK, um, I started building, started traveling, all of that stuff, you know, started saving more, investing more learned the power of compounding at that point very late in life.
Thirty five. Thirty five. Thirty six. So everyone says, look, imagine if you did this.
Yeah I can imagine but now I'm going to imagine what I'm going to do in the next thirty five years.
So I put a personal goal because a lot of my friends were already doing it from twenty four. I said in three years, whatever they've compounded and made, I want to make that in three years.
So then I have no regrets about what I should have done. What's the point. It's gone. I can't go back and change that. But what if I make that amount now and compound that I'm still ahead of the game. A little bit of competition is also good. That's how Michael Jordan speaking.
Why not? I would do that and I made it, you know. So then, Natasha, we are we at Diana and stuff. And I was very like, you know, I don't want this family module where the parents are working and the child is like, whatever we had decided, no nanny for the kids, no nothing that. And she's chilled out. I said, work with me. I said, work with me. You're a project manager.
Manage this. I don't understand Excel. I don't want to look at BNL, all of that stuff. She came on board, started streamlining so I could just go to my coffee shop everyday, day multiple and consult and consult from morning to night. She was managing the backend and stuff like that. Six months later, we had our CFO because we had made a million dollars. Wow.
OK, and we didn't even know. She told me, look, this is your account now.
We were like Audax and this I was like, you know, sole proprietor. No clue about it, but moving with the floor. So we got a CFO on board because we both didn't understand. And this was like suddenly something huge coming into your life.
And for me, it was like, no, no, what should we do?
I'm like, what worked for me is what I should continue doing. You know, if we could make a million dollars of turnover in like seven to eight months, this only means one thing. You're doing it right. So I told you that I need to continue doing this. I can't get into this that. Can you build a team? She said, I'll build a team. So I was in Singapore when I hired my first nutritiously. Then I was doing all the clients myself.
I was handling about one hundred and fifty patients on WhatsApp every day with meetings going to town. I used to go to people's houses and other high profile people. I mean, today it's different. They come to us. But, you know, I saw a lot of time expenditure. I was in Singapore, couldn't manage. I called up, interviewed a girl now on my team, hired her on board. She started helping me out with patients and we just went with the floor.
We didn't have a business strategy. We didn't have a vision. There was one vision who comes to us senden with some value add to their life, how do we reduce their pain, reduce their suffering, or we take care of their problems. Three things even today, that's our company vision. Reduce suffering, reduce pain. If we can put them in remission, heal them. Great. Do that together by just focusing on the first. Do you achieve the third?
In most cases that's been our company vision. So when the CFO came, OK, what's your five? Don't I said I don't have a five point plan. I have a twenty four hour plan, have fifteen patients tomorrow. That's my plan. And honestly Randy, there is no story, but people project me today as an entrepreneur.
I'm not my only, my only skill is what I do with my patients every single day.
And since I can't do that now. Training the rest of my team, so I'm either consulting or am I to training because I need to make like 30, 40, 50 looks now to handle the kind of thing that we have. So I've never gotten involved in business and all of these things I've stuck on my part. I can easily project myself today as an entrepreneur. I did this. I follow this. No, I did what was my gift?
I used my gift. And by using I'm going to boot. I'm a huge believer of this.
You know, all of us are given gifts in life. Everyone, all of us, if you don't use it, it'll be taken away from you.
If you try, you'll given a gift. But you try to be greedy and say, I don't want this. I want to take this and try to build this.
It's going to be taken away because everyone born is given a talent or some talents, which if we're lucky to find and use it, that is where the abundance comes from, nothing else. You think people don't have my knowledge? There are people who are way more qualified. In fact, in my entire team, I'm the least qualified and least qualified committee because I have registered dietitians. I have all you know, I have medical doctors, I'm integrative lifestyle medicine.
Oh, by the way, we built an institute today. We're now recognized by Mumbai University. We're teaching people are school.
So the whole point is I don't have a story. So when people say, look, what's your success? For me, it is just be effective with one gift you have. Yeah. So if I can be effective with a patient today, that's what's building my business every single day. We've not marketed to today. We don't have a marketing plan.
We don't do anything. Now I do know, OK, I can be smart. I say, look, this is great, OK? But what if we do bring in marketing?
What if we do bring in structure strategy? I said go ahead and do it. Build it. I'm not going to do it. I don't have an interest in it. I don't have the bandwidth for it and I don't have the passion to do it.
You give me patience. That's my passion. So honestly, again, simplicity.
Simplicity, I don't have to feel that I don't have an MBA. How am I going to take this to the next level? My wife is not an MBA. We bought a principal in some months.
We've lost money. Big deal. We look at the positives the other months before we make money.
OK, now let's do it differently the next month and you'll have downs and ups and downs and ups went OK with it. So I've not built a five year plan.
Like if you tell me my five year plan right now is a thousand five hundred crore company, ask me why. Because I have about one hundred people in my team now who have grown with me. If I get that valuation, I can see myself in the Maldives with them signing our million dollar checks to each of them. And the money I have left over is enough for me to be in my hospital for the rest of my life and stuff like that.
That's my five year plan. If it happens, happens, doesn't happen.
We move on. It's no big deal. There's nothing to be attached to. My self-worth isn't attached to that. So I've honestly kept it simple. That's the truth of my story.
I can make it sound complicated, like I've done this and I've done this and thought strategically. No, the only strategy I have is what made what I do with my patients. Every patient has a strategy because they're different. So that's my story.
And shortly, really, to be quite honest, I've not had struggles. I've I have I know I'm not holding back anything. I'm an open book. I'm an open book when it comes to things. I made my mistakes. All of that. Yes, overcome certain fears. I was a people pleaser when I started out because who's look know.
Come, come, come, I'll treat you free. I want them to like me. So they tell people. But one lady told me to look, don't you have any self-worth? So what do you mean. She's saying you're so good you don't value yourself to charge for your time. Change in a second.
She also complained three months later she said You move from twenty five thousand to a lack of money. I said, that's it. She's saying that's the way to do it because you're worth that much.
She taught me a lesson by just asking me that simple question. Don't you value yourself? So I'm not ashamed of what I do today.
I have content that has reversed people's thyroid, diabetes, free peoples cancers and remission free. And I have people who want my time. Therefore, it's a model that doesn't make me feel guilty at all. So that's the path right now. Daphnis in Providence, Matalote.
And believe you can't have other people. Should you know how many people shot down my plan or. Look, there'll be, there'll be an economic meltdown. You're in a service business, you should have products, what's going to happen and stuff like that. For me I said this, you should do a market research. I said this is my market research. Look at the amount of McDonald's Dunkin Donuts opening up all around. I know I'm going to be in business for the next ten years period.
That's my business plan.
And it's working, you know, so intelligent intuition because I can't understand anything more complicated than that.
I get there's a few people I've met in my life who when the first time I meet them, I feel a certain wave of and I'm just trying to articulate this in the best way possible.
But if he doesn't have a freshness and I I also believe that if you are even slightly intuitive or if you're spiritually inclined, you become extremely perceptive towards what you feel when you meet somebody for the first time.
True, they don't have to play a big role or a small role in your life. Just what's that feeling you get?
And I remember that in my romantic relationships, often the ones where I felt very fiery the first time I met them, it ended fieriest and my deepest friendships.
The first time I saw someone and I felt that friendship or that relationship.
Yeah, yeah. It blossomed.
I felt very calm when I met.
Do you remember the first time we ever excited at Gorki? Yes, I met a Gauke, but before that we met at Marine Drive. Remember, we there was some run a 10k run and I said, Vishal introduced you to me briefly. And then we met at Gauke for a long time.
Yeah, I spoke to you. Yeah. I just. I don't know why man. Like I didn't know that you are going to help me as much as you did over the course of knowing you.
But I just I felt like I felt this weird, like freshness, which I again feel with some some people. And my gauge of that is. This is something something very personal that I'm seeing on the broadcast, but I'm deeply into the concept of God, I'm deeply into the concept of the universe.
I don't talk about it often on the Internet because I feel like it can be perceived with a certain pre preconceived notion or in a God what be an uncle or he's he's religious. Is he right wing? Is he the left wing?
I don't know. And usually this freshness that I feel from certain people, I always come to realize that they are the same, but they have a pretty they have an inclination towards the concept of God in the universe.
I want you to know that that's something I have not spoken to about, honestly.
But you spoke about Providence, right? You know, being taken care of are different routes out of that place where you are conscious of that man in the sky just looking after you and throwing down some blessings. Like what? What's that like because of. Discovering or discovering the universe is a pleasure. You only experience when you put your body in your mind through it. What's your opinion on this?
Yes, I believe in the universe. I believe in God now, which God that is don't. I'm not going to say Jesus is the best. I'm not going to say I'm not going to talk about solutions. I'll talk about mine because this is about me. Not you know, everyone's free to have their own views. Yes. Why give it a name? I've been brought up in Christianity. I'm a Catholic. Jesus Christ. I have faith uses name and prayers, sometimes subconsciously, because maybe that's part of my childhood chant in your head subconscious.
Yes, we have our own mantras. We have our own prayers. I see them in the morning. I see them in the evening. Sometimes I see them mindlessly. Sometimes I see them with depth, you know. But my whole point is I don't want to try to understand it further. It's not going to get me anything. You see, a lot of people today are trying to search deeper into stuff. My point is, what I've learned is we learn while living life.
I can't take a break from living life and decide I'm going to go on this path to search for a deeper meaning, because I've seen those people and they finally come back and they're back on that part of life. What if we find our deeper meaning all whether God is real or not, while living life, everything happens while we're living. So is there a God?
Yes, absolutely. Do I believe in prayer? Absolutely. I've seen miracles happen with my patients who pray. I've seen someone with a brain tumor, a girl in Bandra who would never have the money to go through surgeries.
And when she was given, you know what it would cost her at Laverty Hospital for the surgery and stuff, she just went home from whatever said, I'll just go for Sunday Mass with faith and whatever and stuff.
She doesn't have a tumor anymore today. Now, what can we say about that? Her belief, her faith doesn't matter. I don't need to know what it is. I don't need a study to prove it. It works. It makes you feel good. She has faith. It's worked. I don't need science now to tell her whether it worked or not or whatever is prayer.
My whole life has worked around my whole life. When I need help, I ask for it. If it comes to me, it's great if I doesn't come to me. I know for a better reason everything I prayed for. There was a point in my career I was in that cold call center phase and at that point yet I was blooming emirates. Sort of the biggest thing was like becoming an apple fly person or an air hostess. That was like the fanciest life.
You fly, you travel. And I lived in Chimborazo as you kind of by this St. Andrew's church. I would go there and kneel and pray every day. Please make me a flight. So please make sure that it never happened. I went for interviews. Jet Airways got kicked out because I couldn't speak in the Emirates. They said you have to come to Dubai for the interview. Didn't have money for my ticket.
All of that stuff today when I look back so happy it didn't happen. I mean, I have nothing against flight bosses.
I know. But for me, it was never the right thing. I would ask, like, I'm praying so much. Why isn't it happening? So do I believe in God and mysteries, which is the universe.
When people say there are mysteries in life, you know, things people are scared to discuss that, you know, they're easy to say, prove that God exists or prove that the universe gives back, prove all of these things and stuff like that.
It doesn't prove that doesn't is one massive one.
And look in the mirror, explain you, explain you from a cell to what you are right now in your science. Explain that. Can medical science explain that? No. In medical science, explain the composition of breast milk and how perfect the composition is and how did the body make it? No. So let's agree. There are some things in life which is beyond human intelligence, whether that forces from the universe, God, whatever your choice, your choice.
But absolutely, I'm a God fearing.
I wouldn't say I am, because if you were God fearing, you wouldn't do it. But I think I'm pretty practical.
I understand. Like, you know, again, we have Ten Commandments, OK, in the Bible, OK? There are so many people who follow the Ten Commandments and there are so many people who don't.
When we break them, you know, there's no data showing that the people who have broken the Ten Commandments are the ones suffering. There are people who are doing everything. Suffering is way beyond just your faith in God. It's beyond just these things. It's unexplained that you prayed all your life. Why have you gotten sick?
OK, I know a priest who has gotten cancer and he asks me, say, look, I've served God my entire life. What do I tell him? It is part of your plan. What are you going to learn from it? It's part of your plan. Why are you seeing it as a negative? Just because cancer is a negative term?
I wish you wouldn't have it. You wish you wouldn't have it. But why don't you consider it in your part?
Like when you preach to us that suffering is a part of life, maybe this is your journey that you're going. We have to change perspectives of how we see it.
But yeah, there is a higher force. No doubt the universe. Where is all this come?
Like I'm telling you a story today which doesn't and which goes against everything that leadership teaches you and you. Strategy teaches you. And yes, Grace of God built a successful business, have a great team and all of that stuff without doing anything that the books say. That's how success is defined. Where's that come from? My intelligence. No, I've just admitted on your show that I'm I was I was a poor student. I don't have I don't understand complication.
Where's it come from? A high, of course. Maybe I'm doing something right.
Maybe my intentions are good. Maybe I believe in something with faith and I'm getting back from the universe.
You know, if I'm going to sit here today and visualize money coming into my account and tried it all the secret, all of that stuff, you know, life is trying to show me that, hey, you've already got what you need in terms of, you know, what the what the mechanism is you're effective with your patient. Abundance comes in ten times more than what you're doing sitting. And then I want five crores. I want ten crores and stuff like that.
So you see, again, the secret or whatever great books.
But if you try to go buy textbook knowledge again, everyone right now should have attracted everything. Right, but why not? Everyone's understood the concept.
It's alignment and it's how you take that and align most people. And we when I ask them so manifest, if you ask me to explain manifestation in two words, which I know works because we've had I have a multiple sclerosis patient who is coming to see me and reset one year later walking. She was in a wheelchair when she came to prevision. She came walking with a walking stick diet plan. All of that. What worked for me visualize. I saw myself pressing the button, getting in, walking to you and stuff like that.
You saying that's the thing I visualize every single day. So manifestation is two things. One, no crystal clear what you want. There cannot be no I want to be rich. What is rich to you? As if money. Is it a BMW? Is it a yacht, is it family, is it loving your.
You have to be so crystal clear and then you've got to start feeling like you're already getting it.
So how will. That's it.
In the most simple way, visualization manifestation is crystal clear goal. So when I ask people who are struggling in their relationships, what kind of guy do I want, a hard working guy, that's not crystal clear.
You can get a hard working guy who beat you up every day. You can get a hard working guy who's on drugs and alcohol. You have to be so crystal clear about what you want and then start living it like you've got it.
Like, how will I feel when I've got this partner? How will I feel when I have a million dollars in my account? But you see, most people are accumulating and not feeling it. That's when it becomes ingratitude and the cycle breaks.
So if you ask me, these things are real. My entire life is built. I told you I never visualized till the age of 34 35 when I started seeing the power of this today. It's like everything in my life is visualized. Every single thing in my life is visualized because I have a crystal clear vision of what I want and the things that I that I don't get when I reflect. Why didn't I get this? I wasn't sure about what I wanted.
I just said, oh, I want to be, you know, traveling the world, doing this this distance. I want to be traveling to New York, London, Dubai, Vietnam. Crystal clear. And how am I going to be when I land in Vietnam and I have like one hundred patients waiting for me, how am I going to be when I change that? I started living the dream every three months. New York, London, Dubai, Singapore, going towards a wait list of patients.
Crystal-Clear All I did was change, though. I don't have to change anything. I didn't study more to make that dream happen. I had skills. I just didn't have clarity of thought.
So God, of course, I believe absolutely the power of prayer.
Unbelievable to whoever you are praying to. If you really break down prayer, it cannot work without faith and belief. So today, Ranvir, if you're praying to the universe, you're embracing a tree or whatever it is with faith and belief. Again, it's intention connected with thought, clarity and the feeling that you are going to get it. That's faith and belief.
That could be prayer without even mentioning religion. Without any know so many people who chant prayers all the time mindlessly, but yet they're so worried because, look, I'm a Sunday mass. Every day I go to the temple five times I say five. I do five times a prayer during the day and stuff like that and whatever. And they're so stressed and anxious. I say, if you're praying so much, what happened to faith and belief, you're supposed to surrender your problems.
How can you pray? And you're still trying to micromanage your problems. Anxiety on praying the right way. So don't blame, pray, blame the process which you would watch what you're doing it. I don't that's the whole point. When people say, look, you're not stressed, how can I be stressed about something I cannot control? What's what am I getting out of it? I have to surrender it, I asked for guidance. I know I'm going to be taken care of.
If I can do something, do it. If I can't, I have to surrender it. But trying to control something that you can't, it's the most I think it's a drain of energy and it's something that you can never achieve, never, ever achieve. So we have to know clarity. I can control this. I can't control is what I can't control. And I am 100 percent sure I cannot do anything about it.
We can't do anything about it. Surrender. Let me give you an example. A patient you have a patient who's dying, OK? There are certain things that you cannot do. But what's the one thing I can do?
Get the family together, make the last few hours comfortable for the patient. You know, that's the one percent I can do, but I can still do something about it. I can't change the kidney, which is failing hour by hour. No one can change that. But one percent, you can make a difference in their life. So there's always something that can be done.
So, yes, got people done and I don't care what people think, you know, people say, oh, you're Roman Catholic. Oh, but like you said, but, you know, Jesus did this.
But it doesn't matter to me. It doesn't matter to me.
I'm not read the full Bible myself. I've taken what means to me and I made my life story out of it. So I don't care what people think.
It's my life, my faith, what I do. It's working for me. It's working for me. That's my body. Couldn't couldn't bother me. What what someone's opinion is about it. And some people come. But look, you know, this is connected with this. Have you seen this in this religion?
And I said, of course, the Vedas are beautiful.
The Koran is also beautiful.
But it all comes down to one message kindness, compassion, faith, belief, service. And you debate any of that is a no. It's the same thing I said then. For me, that's where it ends. Simplicity. Why are you complicating it? Why do you need to complicate it? You don't need to. It's the same message that every religion is preaching.
Now, my question to you is, what are you doing about it? I used to chasing complication or are you starting to practice what every religion is boiling down to? And that's the way I see it. So, yeah, I don't know if I'm religious. I don't think I am spiritual. Yes. Do I have faith? Absolutely, yes. Do I you know, can I say every point in my life that is because of what I have done.
I've been guided.
You know, there are times I've told my team so many times after I've spoken to a client, I'm like, that wasn't me talking. That was up there. Why should I take credit when I know it wasn't me, I'm being guided what to say to a dying patient or a patient over here? I've not been trained nor textbooks taught me that it's a force above that's telling me. Does this mean I'm some spiritual guru and I have a gift?
No, it's just that I'm open to receiving guidance. I don't think now like you were chasing learning all the time. If you put a cap on it, we stop receiving. When we're open to it, we're receiving. Like I tell you, where most people feel in meditation, they're trying too hard.
They're trying to close my eyes, stop my thoughts.
And meditation is about closing your eyes and receive. Maybe today you won't receive anything in the session tomorrow. Be open to receiving because power and energy has to be received and you can't chase it. So meditation, once people feel and I can stop my mind, I think you not understood meditation.
Just sit down, receive.
What are you receiving in those five minutes or ten minutes and then take from then build whatever you have to do.
So, you know, these are things which, you know, people see in different perceptions.
But now someone would run behind a study and say, unless this is proven, I won't do it. You're lost.
You're going to waste a lifetime. And ten years later in your life, you'll find out or this study was wrong. Now, which is the next study? No. Use your intuition. Use your gut instinct. Science can never explain even surgeons, OK, use their gut instinct in a surgery if they go by the textbook that if this happens, you do this. No, they think out of the box. They use gut instincts and that's how they save their life.
If they do go back, only the textbook, the patient dies and every surgeon knows that. Every pilot knows that there is gut instinct which science can't explain. So these are mysteries in life which we should respect. We should never ridicule. If you don't believe in it, find you ridicule it. You know, you're only interrupting the energies that are also guiding you, but you're too blinded by your own ego and your pride and confusion in your mind, which is why, again, meditation is so important for us to see clarity, like look at you.
You know, look, look at you. You're different from other people.
Doesn't mean you're better than other people. It doesn't mean I'm better than someone. You're different. Different is great. Different is great because you're harnessing energy, the same energy all. There are four of us in this room right now. The same energy exists. What you are taking and harnessing that energy and making out of it OK is what is making who you you know, you who you are today. Everyone's getting the same energy, everyone. That's why we always say stress is not that stress is an energy.
It's what you make of it. It's what you relate to it. You put five people in a room with a problem. Some of them will see it as stress. Some of them will see this challenge. Some people say no big deal, the same problem.
But the way we perceive it, the way we harness it and deal coming out of my I'm right on the board.
That's the first thing. It's it's that's all it is. And you know, my whole point, Ranvir, the reason I like doing content with you is because it's real.
I'm telling you, there are loads of board games, no disrespect, but we are finite time. If I'm going to give forty five minutes to listen to a podcast, I want impact. I don't want to look. You're about stuff that may be nice. You know, I love social media.
I feel sorry for a lot of so-called fans and I wish they could change and understand that. Be a fan but don't idealize some. What are you doing with your extraordinary life? You are going to die. You have finite time. OK, don't just beat is glued. Gruden fan on social media putting everyone on a pedestal. What are you doing with your life? Your life? People don't understand the unlimited potential talent that they have, but they're locking that energy following one person trying to be like them.
Learn, build your life, learn, build your life. So currently right. I take away from the best doctors, the best nutritionist, the best people, all of that.
And I'm building me and building me. But other people are taking attention. Shit. Let me see what I should do to be better than him. Let me pull this person down. Wasting a lifetime. There's there's abundance in the world, but there's an attitude of lack.
Everyone feels there's not enough. But there is so much, so much. So when they change their perspective, they start to change their life right then. I love you, man, like you don't know how much like I mean, while I'm grateful for whatever the social media career has given me, this is what I'm most I'm grateful for social media as well, but I feel for them.
The other day I put up a post. I said, do not be put people on a pedestal, OK? Respect them, honor them, appreciate them.
But the moment you put them on a pedestal, you've lowered yourself. Do you feel you need to lower yourself?
You don't have to. You don't have to do that at all.
And in our religion, I think all religions against they say worship me.
But it is useless if you are not taking my teachings and putting it out to other people. Don't just come on Sunday Mass and touch my toes and kiss me. If you are going and treating your brother and your sister and your society badly, you know, don't do that. That's false religion. And that's so beautiful. That's so beautiful. So I see that happening on social media.
People are all like trying to be. What about you?
What about that unique talent that, you know, you're blurring yourself away from? And when you find it, people say, look, how did you find your passion? I didn't go searching for it. I found a gap. I felt inclined towards it. It became my passion. It's as simple as that. There's no strategy around finding it.
You like something, put it first. Give it your all.
That's your passion. Someone's passion could be cooking. You love cooking. You have a passion. You have a passion already, you know.
So I think simplifying things is what keeps me the happiest because I think the world needs simplicity at this point in every aspect. I do agree when they say that God talks to you and and they and I feel I feel I have to reflect and agree. I'm not a smart guy. I'm being honest. And it's not negative self talk and it's not negative. Served up my daughter, Diana, seven years old. She's smart, like you said, that generation intelligent beyond beyond all sorts and a very different generation.
You know, Shilpa Shetty and I were talking the other day because of her son, Diana, almost of the same age. And she was like, look, this generation is going to be the change. We need that change. And I can see it happen.
I can see it happen there, like so, so intelligent in a different way.
And it's a good, positive thing to see. That's why we keep the balance.
This world has to grow up also with social media and everything. But I think as a society, we need to guide them in the right direction, be on social media. But that's not you. OK, put your picture up on social media, but that's not you.
The real you is you. Are you happy?
Are you happier when someone gives you likes on Instagram? These are questions that we have to keep asking them because they reflect.
They say, yeah, I'm happy right now, you know, so it's we have a lot of work at this stage in our life, bro, you know, to make them think differently, not preach to them, but make them think differently. Like with Diana right now, everyone says, look, you know, you may be this scared nutritionist, but they will go through drugs, they will go to that thing. So they go through a big deal.
I went through it. I came out of it, find everyone strata joined. My dad said, look, first time you smoke a joint, smoke it with me. I went home, smoked a joint with him, lost the thrill of it. I mean, not anymore. He took the thrill out of the whole thing. It's no big deal was a joint.
But everyone who's been banned from a joint behind Attrill, I smoked a joint in my first and second joint, stuff like that.
So I go out to dinner and I say, come on, let's go out. Let's go to a shop today. Let's buy some cigarettes and smoke.
Should be daddy. Smoking isn't good for you.
And I say no, come on. It's the cool thing. If you and I want to be cool, let's smoke a cigarette.
From the age of five, I've been doing these things that are role plays and models. Now, I'm not saying it's foolproof. Tomorrow she goes and tries a cigarette. I do know she will try it and I'm OK. I'm happy if she tries, but I know she will not continue the process because in her subconscious mind right now. So we can only do the best we can, the best we can, we can't. And everything we do cannot be foolproof at all and stuff like that.
So I'm experimenting with her. She's my daughter. Before I preach to the world, I'm going to make it work the way I want to do it.
You know, I'll give you another example with Diana. When she was about to turn two and all the parents around that all look, be ready for the terrible twos, the tantrum threes. For me, it didn't make sense.
I'm like, this can't be normal.
And in my mind that maybe your story doesn't have to be my daughter's story and stuff like that. To date. Diana seven. I remember one tantrum for something stupid, Natasha, maybe about three or four.
Tantrums and stuff always has been a brilliant piano.
If we had succumbed our thinking to what everyone said, we're manifesting it or be ready or she's throwing a tantrum. But we went in with an energy that this doesn't have to be our child. So when everyone out there saying all the terrible things will come and all these parents are my child, my dear, you're inviting all of that stuff that doesn't have to be your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid. Why are you inviting that? Why you manifesting something which is someone else's story in your life?
It doesn't have to be that way. Your story can be different. And how many teenagers are there out there who are stable, who have made life like you and careers they exist. Right. So those people's thinking are their stories, which is what they're trying to project on someone else.
And if you're not strong enough, you become a victim of the projection.
But if you're strong enough, like that's your story, mine can be different. And so even if my daughter enters a terrible teen, I'll deal with it at that point. But I'm not going to start thinking now of a problem that may never exist, is my point.
Simplicity, you know, stay away from anxiety, which is not required. So my body's shaking right now, and I'm not I'm not exaggerating, man, like this is this is just some magic that you've thrown into this country. And she's like, it's it's crazy. And, you know, like just the fact that I get to be a part of this thing with you. Just questions. I do. Yeah.
Man, is the joy of podcasting honestly like that? People don't don't understand on that side of the Capitol. And I hope that someone's listening to this in 2031 41, you know that in 2021 some something happened in this. Which brings me to the last portion of this particular episode.
I need a break.
And he but it brings me to the last part of this episode, which is questions from our Twitter. Walsman, again, like listeners of this broadcast, know that I'm not interested like that. My voice is shaking.
OK, Bishar Vyas asks, where do you get your data inspiration from? I'd love to know this inspiration because the first time I ever got it, I got to in a painful part of my existence.
OK, I don't know if that's the case for you, but it gives me strength. Every day I hold the rock series about his own that he said that there's a certain cultural trait in Maori culture and someone culture. What they associate tattoos with strength and moments of their life and their own warrior spirit. I don't know how much of that is true and how much of that is truly spiritual. But what I do know is that you make your life spiritual or non-spiritual through your own experiences and your thoughts.
And there's a lot of positivity attached to my dad. So I'd love to know some of yours like.
So I grew up in Goa during the hippie time, OK? And I was always fascinated with these people, you know, white skin, beautiful artwork. OK, my dad would appreciate paintings, OK? And I would appreciate body art. You know, I was there was this one phase where I would go around and see anyone with a tattoo which was there at that point. Like Indians having tattoos were very rare foreigners. And I would say, can I please take a picture of your stamina, the story behind your tattoo.
And everyone had this fabulous story about why, what some of them pain related, some of the dark phases of their life. Some of them for strength. Some of them were like, you know, I just wanted to be different, you know, different stories and stuff.
So for me, I was like, when I get a tattoo, it's going to be, you know, on this arm and that arm and stuff. So I went to my daddy said, do what you want when you own your own money and you're 18 years old. And so like I said earlier, the podcast, the moment I was 18, I went and got my first second data. It grew to an addiction. So I said, I'll have my own body art on me because I don't appreciate paintings and stuff like that.
I can't figure out all of that stuff.
But I said I'm on my own, ought to be with me not hanging on a wall.
So I got through it. Anything that was good in my life at that point or symbolized something, I did it in the Yorga phase. I got a little bit of a, you know, yoga tattoo in my rave body days. I got a whole psychedelic arm with aliens and stars, abstract on one part and stuff. Zero regrets. Absolutely not spiritual at all. Not to stand out, show off all of that stuff. It's something personal to me.
I used to feel good having that ink and stuff like that on me.
Is there any inspiration you get from one particular piece?
Oh, no. So I have I have this in Hebrew, which is Dreama. I have this and, you know, only God can judge me. So that's very, very close to my heart.
Like, none of us can judge anyone. None of us. Only God can judge us. The universe can judge us. So that's something which is very inspirational to me also sometimes and my mind goes into judging someone and stuff like that, like, no, you can't judge that person. That's God's job.
Your job is to do what you need to do.
So, yeah, that's one inspirational part stuff with I do another tattoo right now. I think I'm out of the phase, but it doesn't mean I may not do it. So I kept a small part on my back, which is free. And I want Diana to draw what she wants, like whatever it's crooked and stuff like that.
And I want to get that tattooed. So it's like real art of hers on my body.
So I probably do that at some point, you know, just waiting for rescuers to get a little bit out of there.
Yeah, man. Oh, there's a nice one. So among Guilani asks, describe the two parts of his life. OK, look, describe the two parts of your life in one word each before getting into the world of health and after getting into the world of health.
I think it would be clueless the Klowden had just held does that do you? Yeah, I'm clued into my purpose now. Right before that, I was clueless. I was happy just going with the flow. No complaints, clueless.
I'm including I know what my life mission is. I know what my gift is and I need to utilize it. So, yeah, I think it would be clueless, including.
OK, in short, Lucky Vigna at Fishermen's Factory asks, I know you've highlighted this in the podcast. If you had to highlight some of the initial struggles you faced when you were starting out, if you had to highlight the difficulties, what would the difficulties be?
Oh, that's a brilliant question. So no one, OK, I didn't have all the fancy certifications that other nutritionists and I'll have, you know, I had my basic ATHM where nutrition is a subject. Of course, it's a proper three year course, all of that stuff at my GCD.
So the first thing people would shoot you down, especially when you were growing like, oh, you don't have these qualifications, you're not a registered dietitian, all of that. So I had to go through that struggle, like go through that.
And in my mind is one day I would build my own institute that teaches you my way of thinking and done it today and affiliated. So that was a struggle for sure. No to the second struggle was making the decision of changing from a comfortable tenure job of fixed money, coming in to something where you've never done before. So that was a struggle that lasted for twenty four hours. You know, the other struggles was making a name for yourself because you don't know who you are.
No one knows you, no one knows you from corporate to the health field and stuff like that.
So that was a little bit of a struggle. But I think that was the third part on a personal front.
So when I got married and we had Diana a year later, that was the time my career was like I needed to be in London, Dubai, all of these places. So that, you know, thing is like your wife's going to deliver a baby, OK? And this is the time where you can't be there.
OK, so that was a little bit of a struggle. But of course, I had her support completely. Her mum was down. She said just go for it and all of that stuff. So these were struggles, which I still think about, but not really as a struggle. Struggle.
That's what I can think of right at Aatish. Twenty two asks Luke, what's your way of dealing with toxic and negative people around you? And I have some context. You know, I remember being in this hall. I was hosting an event.
You were one of the keynote speakers you gave like a really powerful keynote speech as opposed to kind of had an open conversation with you, was I don't know if you remember this.
And there was a panel you were a part of after your keynote speech and you had dominated the room with that speech. I remember people being loud. I was making fun of it. I just mean he was well, those of us who came across, he said, this guy's got something. You're wearing a T-shirt and your pants.
And there was a businessman in the same room, same panel as you, who was kind of bringing the whole capitalistic side to the discussion.
And he began his talk in that battle by kind of criticizing you for having battles. And you handled it like a gentleman. You handed it to a gentleman on the outside.
And I could I could see through you at that point, maybe because of all the meditation or just connecting to another child of God. I don't know.
You didn't even let them take you on the inside you. He he said something to shake you up. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I remember this.
I remember this very clearly. You did. You didn't get shaken up. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. That's your opinion about you know, you didn't give him the permission to affect you. Absolutely.
Because I'm giving away my power. Right. I didn't give away my power. Won't even be give away our power. Can we be controlled. So you have to hold on to this. I'm 100 percent clear of why I have done my tattoos and it doesn't define who I am. It defines the start of my career. I used to go to the US to see patients in hospitals and stuff and everyone would be wear your long sleeves, people would see a tattoo and stuff like that.
Today I walk in and short pants and whatever to see my patients because they're like, Look, you're real.
You don't want something, someone coming with a suit and a tie. So people are perspective that works for me. It works for a guy with a suit and tie dye. You wear a suit and that I don't try to change me.
You have like this unshaken concrete sense of self-confidence, which I've I've picked up from you.
That's what I've learned from my job in that room, is to share my knowledge. It doesn't bother me if someone's bothered about what I wear unless I'm disrespecting someone and stuff like that. Like when I when I go to Dubai and I'm with the sheikh, you say, look, come as you are. But certain events, I need you to wear the Arabic tradition of the respect of people. Absolutely fine. What other events keesing be you. That's who you are.
You're you're not for your dress, your your for your knowledge.
I'm very clear about that. So when I'm on stage or whenever I'm whatever, I'm very clear about my intention. My intention is to impact people, give my message. Nothing else. Nothing else bothers me at all. So yeah, I handle this, you know, it doesn't shake me up that much.
Yeah. Probably would before when stuff like when I was remembering the people pleaser phase where like, OK, I'm going to dress up now and go and stuff like that, but not forever.
People want me for my knowledge, not for how I look and stuff like that. So yeah, I remember this, I remember this very, very exciting. I'm bringing you back.
I'm happy you brought it up again because I want people to. I know that, you know, I mean, yes, it's nice to dress up all of that stuff. I mean, you dress up fab, you dress up really, really well. It goes with you. My image goes with me. And I want everyone to understand that if that's unique to you and you're comfortable, it doesn't matter what the world thinks.
It doesn't matter what the world thinks at all. I mean, look at look at look at David. It is all his interviews the way he is. Because you want me for my knowledge or do you want me to look good? Be be specific. Tell me tomorrow you want me on a podcast. I say, look, I want you to look good, OK? It's different. Your intention is not to take my brain.
I won't even come for the podcast because I'm not going to just dress up. So indention is everything I want.
I want a younger generation also to realize that, oh, stop looking for validation. Are you comfortable? When I started off on Facebook and stuff where people were like, you need an image consultant, you need to dress. I said, my my job is my message. My job is done.
It's built a multimillion dollar industry today, you know, without me having to change my clothes and stuff like that. So, yeah, I don't think these things shake me up at all. It's a personal decision.
I don't know if I have a regret. I would be attached to guilt and I would be submissive to that person.
Yes. You know, I shouldn't, you know, but that time I was young, I would justify, you know, I was a kid, you know, teenagers. I was a DJ. So I would justify you don't have to justify anything that you believe in because you're so strongly included what your beliefs are. No one can shake them ever. No one can ever shake them every single time.
I mean, do I pick up something different from you? And you usually answer the kind of questions that are boiling within my mind, maybe in that same week or probably the previous day. I remember this particular incident was the first time I picked up something from you and I was dealing with a lot of.
Image related issues, because I had just gotten into the world of fashion based and I was dating someone who is extremely imaginative and at that point and that energy rubs off on you. And I saw this happening during my first inclination when this was happening was that I felt extreme anger towards that businessman who I look up to now.
By the way, I followed that guy on Twitter and I see his thoughts.
I realized that there's more to him. And this was one aspect of his insecurities that he was projecting on you. I felt anger to him. And the way you handled it kind of just cool me down a bit.
It made me more self-confident just by observing you in that the second time I met you in person, which was also the first interview I did with you, Fabio biceps. Right.
I picked up so much from you, even off camera in that. But what I picked up the most was your sense of belief and how you said that you had spoken to billionaires and you ask them what is common between them, between all of them. And they said that they all began with a sense of belief. And I think that's the point in my career where I broke my own perceived limits about my own capabilities. I always had the best case scenario for me is to be a media entrepreneur.
You don't make a little bit of money, you're in there. But I won't be able to change the country with my current capabilities. Yeah, and I just switch something in me. When I really started thinking, maybe I started thinking about changing India.
Yeah, absolutely. And you can. Why not. You're already doing it. So you you've done it even if you've done it with one person, OK, that means you have the capability to incite change. OK, now you're adding a number to it, OK? It doesn't change the fact that, you know, you can't change you change one person. Now, like like Bruce Lee says you want to perfect that quick. OK, practice that quick.
One thousand times period. You've got the first gig. Perfect. Now practice it a thousand times. So you're impacting one person at me like. So when I say I want to change the world, that world for me is not like every single country that world is. If you're sitting in front of me right now, that's my world right now. I change you, I change someone else tomorrow. And that's what builds up the entire the mass of the world.
But going on, that's not going to change the whole world. That's like a very like, you know, loose statement, which I will not have faith in. But if a patient in front of me at that point, in that 30 minutes they have with me is my world. There's nothing else that's my world. I change their life. I've changed the world. So I've changed the definition of what the world is to me.
So when you say, oh, my my daughter is my word, OK, which means, you know, at that point, whether she's sleeping, whatever, she's my world.
So sometimes we need to take these words and redefine it according to what we are.
So, yes, can I say I'm changing the world today? Of course I am changing the world because my definition of the world doesn't have to be what other people think. I'm changing at one world at a time.
You know, that's one of the criticisms that our team receives. Then we talk too much about changing it. But that's genuinely because I believe it begins with the belief, of course, you have like there has to be that one guy who thinks that big for the other people who say, OK, we bakerman.
Yeah, but, you know, you have to look at it differently. You're bang on with your first point. You know, why do people have a problem with that? Because they don't want to change.
You know, once I had a patient who came to me, OK, to lose weight and diabetes and said and said, I know all of this. I know this, I know this. I should do this, this, this, this, this, this, this. And he said, OK, please give me a diet plan. I said, you don't need a diet plan. He said, what do I need? I said, you need to just do whatever you said you should be doing.
And he's saying, I paid you so much for this. I said, Yeah, that's the prescription. You answered everything the right way. You just lack action. How can a diet plan, OK, substitute action. You don't need a diet plan.
She's really angry when up on Twitter and all I paid is expensive fees. And he told me action. I went on to reply to him. I said, still, the prescription is the same.
You only have to take action what you need to do, you know, so we got to call a spade a spade at some point and stuff like that.
They're just too many people talking out there. But not a plane, not a plane. And you know what? A lot of that comes from low self-worth.
Yes. We under a lot of it from law, said you you kind of try eclipsing the low self-worth with your sense of intellect.
Oh, absolutely. That's why I said extremes. Remember, people want to move into extremes. They feel important.
They feel empowered that, oh, I'm vegan, I'm proud of all this. I'm no fap. I'm I respect you.
Do it quietly. Do it quietly. You know, I said this in a tweet and I mean, you can bleep off the word.
I said there are people who literally themselves senseless, senseless by overeating, overconsuming bone over dieting overexercising, and then they want extremes to solve the problem.
OK, if you overconsume on OK, no, fap is not your solution. OK, balancers, your solution. If you overconsume fad diets, going to an extreme diet is not your solution. Achieving balance is your solution. These are good things. No fap, all of that stuff. But on make this your world, you overconsume.
You not just become some spiritual guru of no fat when you were consuming porn like eight hours in a day and now you move from one extreme to another, learn self-restraint.
Not Nawaf Fab.com. To an extreme, extremes are easy, but restrained, like I want to watch porn right now, but I use self-restraint and I don't do it. You made a new neural circuit in your mind by no fap. You've not really developed anything else over time. Yes, you may do it, but show me self-restraint and discipline now in the moment. But you're empowering yourself with an extreme mechanism which is not sustainable, which is not sustainable.
The basis of Kamasutra is balance.
OK, are you're not like screwing and making love every single night. The beauty of Kama Sutra is there's a preparation towards that weekend, you know, of conversation, gestures, giving a flour, cooking food. That's your build up, that's your foreplay to the main event and stuff like that. I mean, you're shagging every day and all of that stuff and whatever. And then you want to choose an extreme.
And then that becomes your self identity, that becomes your identity when you feel special. But you're not showing people that you overconsume something before. So your extreme is not a solution. What about people? My happiest people.
OK, I'm not on fad diets then. Not on fad exercises. They enjoy a shag whenever they want. They they're doing all of these things and they're happy.
So is extremes better than balance is the debatable question as it is a sense of, you know, identity?
Yeah, I'm right there on yeah. I'm feeling part of a group. I can't stand up. I can't stand up alone and say that this is it. I need to hide with a group. I have to hide with a group itself. I have nothing against these things.
But my point is you have to look deeper below these things and stuff like that.
So I have people on Facebook, I'm having nightfall. So what is your body trying to tell you?
You have extra semen in your testicles, go get a good shag. Or if you have a partner, make love. Seriously, you know what's listen to your body.
These are natural things. Now over masturbation is your problem. You have abused the system. I talk about alcohol. The problem is never with alcohol. The problem is that the person behind the alcohol, if alcohol was bad, everyone should have liver cirrhosis.
Everyone should be drunk. But the people who abuse it use it with the wrong intention. So you don't blame the alcohol, you blame the person.
So extremes, you know, I mean, these things are messing up society. Every young guy thinks I need to be OK. Let me select my path, OK? Oh, vegans are getting attention.
People doing it for the right reasons. Great. I understand. Do it. Do it the right way. But don't make it your identity because your self-worth is so low. That's my point.
Yeah. If you like even look, I mean every young person goes through this where you have to kind of balance between extremes to then come to equilibrium.
I've gone through that.
Yeah. All of us have finally balance. Look, I mean, there's no debate about that. Look at nature. Nature is balance. It is balance. Even though the one flower arauz, there can be five roses. They will all look different balance. They can't all look the same. It's the same. We're products of nature and the end of the day we work and balance of equilibrium. That's why called a rhythm. Your heartbeat is a rhythm.
Your pulse rate is a rhythm. Your breath is a rhythm. What happens now if the rhythm of your breath changes to rid him of your heart, changes the rhythm of your pulse, you move away from it's called homeostasis when everything's working in rhythm.
OK, that is nature.
The moment one of them change your body moves into the sympathetic nervous system, fight and flight.
Something's wrong. So on to run with heart. Heartbeat comes back into normal, which is homeostasis. You know the body's and stress mode. It is rhythm. Extremes are not rhythm.
It's this harmony. These people in extreme should be calm people. They should be happy or people, but they're more aggressive and angry and stuff like that because the intention is wrong.
OK, simple question. Sanjit Condell asks how to maintain consistency in life. That's a simple but profound question.
Yeah, I think it's a beautiful question because like every like the two main ingredients for achievement on anything in life is discipline and consistency.
So consistency is like you already doing it right. I believe you're brushing your teeth every morning. Right. That's consistency. OK, it's the same thing, something that is important to you. If you're unable to be consistent with something that means you're not assigned it enough of value, it's not important.
You don't fool yourself, make it important first, then it becomes consistent, like brushing your teeth is important to you.
You don't want your mouth to smell, so you do it consistently. Yes, it's become a habit because when you do something consistently, it becomes a habit. So if your health is really important to you, OK, so people come look, I'm not motivated to work out. I said because it's not important to you. It's not important. You make it important first so you can keep motivating yourself every day. But if you make it important, you'll automatically find.
So it's all about assigning values.
So whatever it is that you're trying to be consistent with, assign it value, assign a value and then start doing it. You'll fail a couple of days, get back on. That's what builds consistency over time.
OK, this is slightly kind of a health and maybe brain related question you need to sing asks.
I have dreams every night when I go to sleep. I never get a good night's sleep and how to solve it. Is there any solution to having a dream? Let's talk about REM sleep. So how to increase? It depends. There's nothing wrong with dreams, but if you can remember all of your dreams in the morning, that means you've not gone into deep sleep and that's why you're possibly feeling tired and fatigued throughout the day. So what happens is definitely meditation or deep breathing or left nostril breathing before bed helps you to move your alpha waves, your beta, take your grandma.
So we want to move into these right phases of deep sleep and deep sleep is when it's dreamless. Many of us may not reach that stage. And if we reach it, it's probably even just a few minutes. But that's your deep sleep. So if you can remember all of your dreams, you're not sleeping deep enough.
Doesn't the dreams are not bad, but what is your environment before you get to bed and, you know, do your breathing, your pranayama cut away from social media because that keeps the thought process going. You've not yet hit your waves of deep sleep. So that's that's a very common thing. It's nothing to worry about. But you want to fall into deeper sleep using these mechanisms.
I'd probably say look into looks role and real. You might you might find some Pranayam related pieces.
OK, some great singers would escorted my tweet and says, are there any tips for students who are in school or colleges?
There's a lot of mental health issues going around.
Any advice for mental health, for school and college students?
OK, so my first question again, if you do have a genuine mental health problem, OK, fine.
But really, is your problem a mental health problem or is it a norm that society is defined for you, that you have made a problem like, oh, I can party for three Saturdays because I have to study?
Is that really a problem or is it something that you should be sacrificing if you want to achieve something? A lot of so-called mental problems are not really problems. It's because it doesn't match with the norms that society has given. So by now, I should be in a psychiatric ward technically because I don't go out on the weekends. I don't like chilling with people and friends and a very small circle.
So when people say, look, but you're this famous person, you don't whatever you know it just because it doesn't fit your norms doesn't make me crazy. It doesn't make me seem like I have a mental problem, you know.
So first, to be honest with yourself, is your problem really a mental problem? If it is if you need help, take it however bad it is. No, to my my my most important point is, remember right now that you are responsible for solving your problem as well. They help coaching mentors, reach out to people, your parents, communicate all of that stuff. Being in your own little bit will not solve your problems, but know at the end of the day that only you can solve your problem.
Whether you get on the medication it's doing only it's a little job of balancing your serotonin, your dopamine or whatever it is.
But finally, you have to decide that I'm bigger than this problem and bigger than this problem. So if they can state a little more in the next podcast, maybe what these problems are, we can face it like a lot of kids, you know, are mentally depressed. I don't have a girlfriend, so that's a positive at that age. Why do you want to be locked in at 13? You know, go explore your options, learn from everyone.
I mean, you have an age where you have to be with one girl right now. No. Thirteen is for you to enjoy your life. That's not a mental problem. But because everyone else has a girlfriend, OK, you feel inadequate. You don't have a mental problem. You're just different. Your time is going to be different for you. So we have to break it down. So if you really have a mental problem, then do whatever I told you.
But be honest. Is it really a mental problem? Don't label things because when you label it, it becomes the way you live every single day, every single day, it becomes the way you live. So someone's calling you stupid all the time and you accept it. You begin to feel stupid even though you're the most clever person.
So don't use labels if not necessary, if really it's a mental help or problem, possibly specifying it next time can actually help us throw some more light on it.
OK, final question. This is a team member sat down. Pandey asks, What is the meaning of life?
See, you know, I've never asked myself that question because I don't know what answer I want out of it, how is it going to change what I do? You know, I think the meaning of my life is going to be defined by what I do every day. I mean, how how is it going to impact my life right now?
OK, I'm born Ammu. I have a part. I know what my options are. That's my life. That's the meaning of my life. Right now. I have a daughter. There's meaning in my life. I have a job. Nurture her, grow up with the right values. I have patience. That's the meaning in my life. I mean, meaning is what we want to give it. I can have everything and still feel life is unfair because I'm ungrateful.
I don't appreciate what I have.
It's what we give meaning to it. We give meaning to our own lives and it can be different every day. Today I could have had a great day. Life is great. Tomorrow I go through a down. It's a bad day. Doesn't mean life is bad. It's a bad day. It's not a bad life.
So, you know, it's a question. I don't know how it's going to impact your life by knowing that answer.
I think most of us get our most deepest questions answered by living life, by living life.
You know, everyone says, what is love? OK, I'll tell you today, OK? I don't know what love is, because when I love my mother, it's very different from the way I love my wife, very different from the way I love a friend, very different from the way I love my daughter. OK, so it's an energy. It can never, ever be the same for everyone else.
Can love change? Absolutely. Yes. There's a time when we hate our parents and then we love them again. OK, daughter, unconditional love.
So if you ask me today that look, will you or what if you had to be in another relationship or whatever, what kind of girl would you want? I would want a girl who I can love the same way that I love my daughter, which is unconditional. Is it possible? No, they are two different kinds of love. So you know what?
These deep questions I would prefer people see, this is what happens when you read spiritual books because they get you into asking these questions and you're like, OK, and you're searching.
But is it going to make a difference to your life?
Finding the answer, maybe your life meaning will be found by you living your life.
Some people on their deathbeds. Because I speak to dying patients all the time. All the time. What is the meaning of my life? I have money in the bank, I think, but I'm dying today of cancer and stuff like that. So I say, what are the five best things that happen in your life? My kid, my family, my things. I think that was the meaning of your life, period. We don't have to go deeper than that.
Why? What are we going to get out of it? Nothing. So sometimes even the depth that we get into, why are we always going into the deep end? Is it really necessary? Is it being in the deep end always going to teach us something?
Not necessarily. Not necessarily.
So this is again, what these are the norms that society hits us with someone who is stato or something. Ask your deepest questions. Will you get the attention of everyone? My question is, what value is that? Adding If I tell you the meaning of your life, is it going to change your life in one way or another? Absolutely not.
But I can tell you what you're doing in your life right now is not going to lead you to your goal or you can change is to feel better and stuff like that. But meaning no. These are the mysteries of life. People who are clued into themselves realize that this is the meaning of my life to be happy. This is the meaning of my life to forgive. I found meaning when I forgive, I found meaning when I got forgiven. I was meaning in my life.
So to, you know, be careful of depth.
Yeah. Be careful of depth. You know, that would be my answer to him. Yes.
I would like to end this podcast one by thanking you. Pleasure.
I'm just going to see a simple thank you because there's a man that's like all my emotions and like all my gratitude wrapped into that one world and the amount of gratitude I feel the world. You as a guy just felt how much you've helped me through the years without me ever coming to you as a client and just talking to as a brother.
I cannot put it in words, man. And like, just I hope the best for you always like this.
I wish the best for you as well. Everyone out there. I mean, I think we should just go on. Sometimes we feel angry with people, you know, all of that stuff. But at the end of the day, just wish well for everyone, you know, I mean, whatever I always tell people and I will find it difficult to forgive. I said what you would wish for the person you love. Just start wishing that even for your worst enemy.
Yes, it's difficult because you've got to break through ego, pride, hurt. But I'm saying that is your transformation. Yeah, it'll happen one month, two months, three months. There's no other way. It's just wish. Well, for everyone.
Everyone struggling, everyone has their own journey, everyone, you know. So at the end of the day, we should wish well for everyone. I think that's that's the essence of spirituality.
Yeah. Yeah. And oh man. Just looking forward to having you again on the show.
We will immediately move into the second recording, which is centered around sex and love. So I'm going to end this podcast and I'm going to request my team to start the next podcast immediately.
Audience, please look out for the next one. This is going to be good.