Love is considered to be one of the biggest musical balance in the world currently on most of our episodes of the NBC show. We break down people's careers and their struggles and their future projections of themselves in this particular episode. We went down a different path. It turned into a conversation between two friends. We did exchange notes about curios, but we spoke a lot more about mental fitness, about mental health, about relationships, about spirituality.

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I love welcome to the Runway, your brother once, thank you for having me. So I went on a deep dive into your story, because you're one of the fastest rising stars in the world of music. What's it like right now in your life? What's your life like right now? Are you happy where you are? Do you want to wish to go?

I've been I've been really good. I mean, obviously, you know, right now with covid and everything, it's been a bit up and down for me mentally and emotionally. But right now, I'm and I would say I'm in a really good place. I'm I'm super happy about that and thankful. Why is it down at all? I just think there's been a lot of, you know, just like having to be home and dealing with a lot of I've been just doing a lot of like self exploration, like emotionally and spiritually and mentally, and kind of dealing with, like, periods of existential crisis vibes, which is not been the most fun.

But I think it's been important for me to kind of like work through that stuff so I can get to a better place. You know, when the world looks at a career like yours from the outside, people assume that everything's perfect.

And when when they hear someone like you say, OK, that even you're facing existential crisis is it's a little weird for the rest of the world.

So what would you like to tell the rest of the world?

Yeah, I know. I totally understand. And, you know, I think the probably the initial thing is for people, I imagine, to be like, well, you have. A lot of success, and you have probably you know, I have a lot of the things that I've wanted, you know, for my whole life, you know, it's like I grew up wanting to be an artist. You know, I started writing songs and I was like 12.

But, you know, the thing is like and I mean, this is the least like I'm not complaining, but, you know, the reality is I was chasing something for so long and I thought it would bring me happiness. You know, I thought that reaching a certain level of success would make me happier in my career and just in general, my life. But the reality is, like you reach any of these any of these milestones I reach, you know, whether it's like something going like platinum or like doing a big show or something, you realize it.

Anything external can't bring you true happiness. And that's just the facts. Like, it's just I've come to realize that true happiness doesn't come from accomplishments. It has to come from within. So I've had to do a lot of work, you know, with things like meditations and just try to recognize that and find a place of peace and happiness aside from that stuff and that kind of like messes with your head because you're like, OK, I have like a beautiful life, you know, I have, you know, a beautiful home.

And I'm doing what I love to do every day. But then you sit down, you're like, why am I still suffering from things like depression or, you know, OCD or existential crisis mode? And I think I've come to realize that. It's because, like, deep down, I wasn't really happy or fulfilled or I had a lot of kind of stuff I had to work through myself on the inside. And how have you answered some of those questions, is it books?

Is it meditation? Is it talking to people? Because I know you talk a lot about spirituality. So, I mean, what are the what are the instances that have helped solve those questions for you?

Yeah, definitely meditation, talking to friends, talking to a therapist, therapist. Yeah, reading a lot to podcasts, there's one guy named Ramdas that I like to follow. And I think in like some of my meditations and like therapy, I've come to realize the root cause or one of the root causes of my existentialism where I'm like, OK, I don't deserve anything. I should give everything away. I should become a monk or whatever, which I know sounds really crazy is because I think deep down there's a part of me that believes I don't deserve happiness, whether I consciously believe it or not.

There's something deep down inside of me that kind of feels that way. And I don't know how deep we want to go. It's like, you know, based on certain stuff from childhood and growing up. But learning how to, like, recognize that and be like, no, every single person on this planet deserves a chance to be happy. And I you know, I have the ability to do things, you know, like with my foundation, for example, to try to take resources that I've gotten through my music or otherwise, you know, donating and getting involved in the field of mental health.

I think, like, there was a period time I was like, I don't deserve to be happy, you know, like I should give everything away. And I don't know, it sounds really crazy, but that's kind of like the thing I was going through. No, it doesn't sound crazy, man, I'm going to share something with you about my life, like from the time I was growing up and you know, in India, your teachers, your school teachers have a huge role to play in the way you end up thinking in life.

It's just how Indian society is built. So my entire primary school, like from my first grade to the fourth grade, I had every single school leader telling me I won't amount to anything. And it sort of happened at home with relatives as well. So it took me up, but in a very positive way. Like I feel like I always wanted to prove people wrong in life. And that allows me like an unlimited amount of hassle, like I can keep working and I don't get tired.

But that's from that slightly messed up place in childhood. And initially it kind of affected me really badly to a lot of mental health issues. But combined with meditation and like the right people around me, I've turned that into, you know, some kind of a I don't I don't call it super, but it's definitely a weapon.

I'm still like I constantly think I'm not working hard enough, but it benefits me.

There's I definitely grew up, you know, I grew up in a situation where my mom especially was really inspiring to me because she worked so, so, so hard and is super dedicated to her career. But I think also I forgot what it was like to just enjoy happiness outside of working. And I always make myself always chasing another song, always chasing another high that way, you know, but you realize there's got to be so much more to life, you know, because it's like I realize that being obsessed with work was coming from this place of, like, lack of self-worth.

Like I'm not worth anything if I'm not accomplishing things. And that is like it's an endless battle and I don't want to live that way. So I think, you know, I've been trying to dismantle that mindset. So many of those questions for me have been answered by studying the world of Indian spirituality, like, are you attached to India? Are you attached to India at all? Like, do you feel any kind of attachment?

You know, I've actually never really dug into those spiritual practices. I will say when I've been to India, which has been, you know, not that much, I found it really fascinating. And I think I find maybe some of the I'd be curious for some of the more the philosophy and the spirituality behind it, you know. What would you like to know? Would you like to know anything in specific? Well, you're talking about, you know, your meditative practices are just really what your experience has been, I think would be really cool to, like, learn from.

Bro, I read a lot of books, so here's here's the deal, right? Have you heard of Sanscrit? Have you heard of the so Sanscrit? There's an ancient language and it kind of died out, like in the same way that Hebrew died out in the world and then it was brought back to life. Sanskrit is gradually being brought back to life. And most of our spiritual scriptures were written in Sanskrit. But if you translate Sanskrit into any other language, you'll always have a lot of information just because the certain words in Sanskrit that mean a lot of things and there's no way to translate them into any other language.

So. So every single book that was written by spiritual sages or spiritual masters always had to be translated and therefore there was always a lot of information.

So there's this guy called. I mean, there's this there was this master corporations, Yogurtland, who took Indian spirituality to the West. He went to California. He have you heard of anything?

He does, yeah. So he set up a foundation in and ends and he does, and he took the world of Indian spirituality there, but the the peculiar thing about what he did was that he took all that Sanskrit knowledge and spoke directly in English. Wow.

So he he wrote it in the way that the American world or the European world or the international world was supposed to understand those texts.

OK, so he wrote a bunch of books, but the most important book was this book called The Autobiography of a Yogi, which Steve Jobs referred to a lot.

And you don't. Yeah. You know, Steve Jobs was chucked out of Apple and he had an existential crisis himself.

He had a dark phase in his life.

Yeah, but he used to always turn to that book. He read it once every year. And it always answered a lot of questions for him.

And here's what they said in their right about spiritual books. They say that you don't read the spiritual books, the books read you and the books and so things based on what you're looking for. But you need to have that kind of a belief system and you need to be open enough to receive the answers.

I found like I have to I grew up in a family is very logical. You know, both my parents are scientists. And like over the years, I have had to turn to being open in every single way, you know, meditation. One of my friends, literally, he came into my life at the perfect time. I was really, really depressed. This was last year. And he taught me, you know, his meditative practices. And it's totally changed my life because, you know, you're you're open to something beneath the mind.

You're open to universal souls and. Also, I've come to realize so many of my negative thoughts come from old patterns, come from the ways, the ways in which I was made to feel growing up or the things the messages I internalized. And I think the really special thing about practices like meditation is you can come to realize that you don't have to react to these thoughts in these feelings. You can just let them be and you can just kind of exist and be present and be aware.

And life is so much more peaceful that way. You know, you can't control everything you think you can control. You just got to, like, be happy where you are, you know, one hundred percent.

I mean, that's that's the outcome of having meditation as a lifestyle.

But I'd want to share this one thing with you that it helped me a lot like early on in my meditation practice, which was that it doesn't matter what kind of technique you follow your meditation, because eventually when you're beginning, you're using meditation as a tool to become Karmal. But once once you feel calm and if you have negative thoughts within your negative memories, you go within those negative memories and feel it entirely.

You feel it to the extent where you feel like a present within that memory again and you release it even if you feel like crying man, cry it out in the meditation at the end of your meditate.

I cry a lot. My meditations, you know, and I meditate with people and I feel like sometimes I just get this overwhelming sensations. And I actually do a lot of spoken meditation, which I don't know how common that is. But you know, where I just speak from, whatever comes to me and it feels like it's not coming from my mind, it's coming more so from my heart. And I tap into I do like inner child meditation where I visualize myself at different ages.

And I go back and I try to learn from young R.E. and see what memories do I need to bring up. And then I try to just work through those things. And a lot of times it does end up in crying, but it ends up in crying from a place that feels like I'm releasing it and then I feel more loving afterwards.

One hundred percent. And you know what?

Once your heart is leidel, your creativity becomes brittle, like you feel that, yeah, there was a lot of this negative stuff that I was like kind of pushing down. And I've come to realize that you just have to express that stuff and a lot of your feelings. I have a lot of feelings of like insecurity and fear that I think are me or I am that fear and that insecurity. But sometimes I realize you just have to express that part of you to get it out and to realize, oh, my God, like, these insecurities or these fears are kind of ridiculous.

Like they're not they're not really representing who I am or who I want to be and what I want in my life, you know. Could you could you share like an example of a meaningless insecurity that you've had? Yeah, I feel like oftentimes when it comes to like romantic situations, you know, I get really insecure about the slightest thing. I get insecure that I don't know the person I'm with doesn't actually want to be with me. And they talk to somebody else.

And I see them having fun in a conversation. And I assume that the whole thing is or I, I, I think I take a lot of my insecurities and then I project them as anger on other people.

I start to judge them in my mind or part of me judges them because I'm angry or I feel less then and I've come to realize like it's not about the other people, it's more so about this part of me that's still very wounded on the inside that feels hurt. And, you know, they say hurt people, hurt people, you know what I mean? So I take out that pain in a way where it's a valid emotion, but it's not.

It's not really the reality I'm creating a false reality that is I mean, I don't know what a true reality as you sort of do, just create your reality on some level. But I create like an unhealthy reality that's not going to serve me and there's no reason to identify with it.

But, you know, that goes all over the world to be with you. And like, they they think of you as like the ideal romantic partner because of your music, because of what you've achieved, because of the vibe you give out.

Nobody wants to be with me. I'm telling you, people think you want to be with me. That I am crazy. I am crazy.

Why do you say that? You have a good vibe. I, I appreciate that. I think I have a really good heart, but I do have a lot of pain inside of me and a lot of insecurity and fear. And I have come to learn about my attachment style. You know, I apparently classify as like basically like an anxious, avoidant attachment style, meaning I want love and affection so badly, like I want it so badly. But as soon as I get too close intimately, friends or romantic situations, I freak out subconsciously and I find reasons to push people away.

So I think that's one of the huge things. And in doing that, I think I put people through a bit of a roller coaster. Which I'm working on and I'm getting better at and I've recognized it and I'm. I feel very confident that it's it's a journey that I've had to go on, but I'm going to come out way better and way healthier.

Can we forget for a minute that you are a superstar in the world of music? And can I just talk to you as another human being?

Yeah, I don't even I don't think of myself as a superstar and I think of myself I don't even know, just like some weird kid is making music. Absolutely.

You need to spend time in the Himalayas. And I'm only saying that out of experience. Yeah, you will. You know what had happened? Like there's a part of you that you're discovering and you're discovering it at a certain pace, which is good. You're making progress every single month. I'm sure even coronavirus the lockdown helped you. Yeah, but that piece of self discovery will get accelerated in this country. And I'm not just I'm not speaking from just my experience, but that's what they say about the Himalayas because of the people you meet that, you know, when you go to a different country, you feel a different energy, or when you go to the 400 block of the world, you feel a different energy.

Yeah, the energy you feel in the Himalayas is extremely healing. So you might cry in every single meditation.

I love the amount of. Yeah, the amount of self discovery that you have. You won't have any else. You need to spend time in this country.

Have you have you spend time in the Himalayas. Yeah, Brossel, this Seijas in the Himalayas. OK, people who've given up on life and Dyle messages from all over India who escape into the Himalayas regularly.

So you'll you'll be you'll be trekking around and you'll randomly find like these little huts where this siege is just living there for like the summer or the winter, you know, and you'll ask him questions about your life and he'll give you the answer that you need at that point.

Wow. But again, you need to be open to receiving things like that.

Yeah, I asked I asked. I had a tennis elbow. You know what a tennis elbow is.

Yeah. So I I basically I had it partly because of the gym, like I was going to hard in the gym. Yeah, but I knew there were other factors related to it. And none of my physical therapy, none of the injections that I was taking were helping me.

And when I went to the Himalayas, I asked that guy that, you know, what more what do you think I should do? I met a stage randomly on one of my tracks and I asked him, what do you think it is? And he said that one of his early lessons in the world of yoga, in the world of irate in the world of spirituality was that very often traumas from your life or traumas you're putting on yourself in the present manifest themselves as injuries.

So if a physical injury is in healing because of physical medicine or science, you turn inwards and you meditate over that injury.

And that night in the Himalayas, like I was under the open sky, you can see all the stars. You can see like snow, snowcapped mountains.

I meditated and I thought about exactly this, that I was putting too much work pressure on myself.

I still do my back then I was putting way too much work. Yeah.

And I should do not people don't believe me when I say it, but within a month my tennis elbow was OK.

That is so beautiful. And I honestly I really believe that stuff. I have a friend whose wife was diagnosed with stage four. I believe it was ovarian cancer, obviously horrible. And obviously she did all the medical stuff. But that's a very scary reality. And they started meditating very, very deeply. And he started visualizing like he was removing like energy from her. And I know that I know for a fact that that experience played a role in her recovery.

Like, yeah, it's it's yeah, it's crazy how much. And it's just crazy how that works. They say that, like, if you're the kind of person who has negative intentions towards other people, that could be jealousy, anger, hate, whatever, eventually in life that will manifest itself as a form of cancer, as a form of disease, is that any disease or any injury that you experience always happens due to teach you something.

And it could even be mental health issues.

It's trying to teach you something.

Yeah, and that's all these realizations happen when you talk to people who are way more involved than yourself, which you find in the Himalayas, like just like that for sure.

I would love to go. I don't know when is the right time, but I would love to go to.

Well, after the virus is done, go to go to this place in India called Himachal Pradesh and yeah, you just go anyway, and no matter where they go for the trek, you will find they just go have a conversation with them, like get a translator with you, but go have a conversation with these people. You'll open up a dimension for you. Well, when I go, if you want to go with me, let me know, because that would be for sure.

But let's let's talk about your career, because I know you're a hardworking dude and you've you've worked for what you've earned.

So what was it like as a teenager because you completed your education and then you stepped into this process?

As a teenager, I was just obsessed with it, I was playing in bands, I was learning how to produce, I was writing my first songs, I was booking my own tours with my best friends, touring around the US, playing small shows all over the place, always trying to in high school, like trying to like beg people to buy tickets to my concerts. I was I was very into MySpace at the time and that was a huge thing for music.

And but none of the bands or anything really like blew up or worked out. So I kind of was like, I'm going to go to school and learn how to be a songwriter and a producer and not try to be an artist. I did that for a few years. I was working at some studios or interning rather, and then I kind of went through something and I wrote my first song that I ended up releasing as loud. And it was kind of like a super unexpected accident.

You know, I just it just happened. And from there it just grew and grew and grew. And I just became I I fell in love with the idea of being an artist again. And I'm really thankful for that. Beautiful. So, you know, I spoke to Armand Malachy's, this friend of mine, he's actually making it big in the international scene as well. In India, the way it works is you need one piece of art to take off, and that can be the biggest turning point of your career.

Yeah. So is it the same in the West? Was it the same for you with. I like me better when I'm with you.

Yeah. So that that definitely can be that is the way oftentimes work works is like one thing explodes on a huge level, whether that's on Tick-Tock now or I like me better, just kind of blew up all over the Internet and on radio. But the thing about that is oftentimes the song becomes way bigger than the artist to the point where the song is unbelievably viral. Everybody knows it, but no one knows who the artist is. So I think there's, you know, something that I learned that I think maybe.

I mean, I'm not going to say I wish happened differently because it happened the way it had to, but I think, you know, a situation and more ideal situation is when an artist has more of a. Clear, clear. Platform and a clear intention and a clear message and really like laid the groundwork and then you start to put out music that I mean, you can't really control it. But what I'm saying is, in an ideal situation, the song doesn't become way bigger than the artist.

You know, I think that's something that happens a lot. And then you have one huge song and then it's really hard to do it again, you know? I know, I know, I know for a fact, I mean, I know you're an ambitious guy and I can see the goals you've set in front of you. So I'm dead sure that you're the kind of person who puts pressure on himself about matching up and going ahead of it.

Yes, I do. At this point, though, I try to let go of the accomplishment side and just think about making the best music I can, the most honest music I can, the most innovative music I can, you know, because that's that's how I made like, for example, that's how I made I like me better. I wasn't like thinking I need to write a huge hit. I was just like, let me make a song that I love and experiment and that just, you know, that turned out to be something huge.

Yeah, but did you find yourself putting more pressure on yourself after that? Yes, a ton of pressure. I got real anxious and real depressed because I was I basically built an identity for myself that was partially real, but partially contrived and partially just one side of myself. And I wasn't letting out my full personality because I thought people wouldn't accept me for who I was. So I like went through this whole time where I was overthinking everything and trying to portray myself in one way.

And I put a ton of pressure on myself to the point where I just fell apart, fell apart. Yeah, what what happened? I just got to the point where, like at the end of twenty eighteen and beginning of twenty nineteen, I just fell into a really deep depression. I was experiencing extreme OCD in the form of obsessive negative thinking to the point where I just I couldn't for like a month straight. I couldn't really get out of bed much.

I couldn't I couldn't write music. I fell out of love with it. I couldn't really connect with anyone except for if I was, like, crying or complaining or, you know, talking about what I was going through mentally, I I was calling my family constantly looking for reassurance. And it wasn't until I like, you know, learned really what it meant to be depressed and got diagnosed with depression and this obsessive anxiety form of OCD that I started to get better.

That is that why you talk this much about mental health? I want to use your fame as a platform to talk about it.

Yeah, just for me, I think like just experiencing that and experiencing the journey to getting better and just coming to realize how important that is and how much I love that process myself. And I love seeing that in other people. And just growing up, you know, in situations where there is mental health issues in my family, I just hit really close to home and I just I don't know, it just felt like the natural thing to do in the right thing to do.

Robert, your music has a lot of happiness in it. Have you ever thought of that like you're giving so much happiness to the world? So even if, you know, you feel that you're sad on the inside, that's what that's the gift you gave to the world. Have you ever thought of that?

It's funny because even like. The thing about like, yeah, a lot of my songs, though, the music might sound happy and warm, but a lot of times the lyrics aren't necessarily happy.

They're a little bitter, are they?

They're nostalgic. They're wishing for something or whatever, you know, but it's cool that it can turn into happiness for people. I mean, that's. I don't know, that's that's crazy to me, and I'm appreciative that I have that opportunity, so. Do you know what impostor syndrome is, it happens to a lot of oh yeah. Oh yeah. Uh, what would you would you like to explain it to the listeners?

Yeah. I mean, basically, I think a lot of people experience this no matter how much you accomplish. If you don't have a true sense of self-worth, you are going to always think you're fake. You're going to always think you're worse than everyone. You're going to always destroy yourself in your mind. And yeah. And so I feel like to work on that, I've had to really do a lot of, like, self work to to not feel that way.

But I still feel that way all the time. I have friends who are so good at music and so good at lyrics and so honest that I get like intimidated. I'm like, I suck. Brought fame and creativity are both gifts that aren't given to everyone, and especially together, they aren't are not given to the average person.

So even even the world of yoga says that that if you're selected to be famous, if you're selected to put out a massive amount of creativity in the world, which you have done, it's given to you with a purpose.

And while I understand. Yeah, well, I understand what you're going through. You've left the world as a happier place.

So, I mean, honestly. As a brother, I would like to tell you that, dude, you're in a good place and sometimes you just need outside perspective to tell you that I know that even today you might be thinking that you're not, but you are like a really good place and not and this kind of fame, this kind these kind of creative gifts, everything around you is a manifestation of the creativity that spoke to you in that song and all your songs.

So you're going in the right direction.

Man, I appreciate that. It's funny because I would always like to think in hearing what you say. I would always like to think that anybody could do it if they honed in on the tapped into the universal, whatever it is that speaks to you.

But it's interesting that there's a perspective of it's not meant for everybody. That's interesting to me. Yeah, have you I mean, are you are you like what what's your family from originally? I know they're from Latvia. Yeah. But like, are they are they Jewish? Are they Christians?

So my dad's side of the family is Jewish. My mom's side of the family is not really religious at all.

OK, so, I mean, again, Judaism and Indian culture have a lot of battles, but you've heard of this quote from the Bible Philippians for 13, I'm not sure.

So it says that I can do all things through him. That gives me strength. And the yogic version of that is, again, anything you do in your career, especially like any money around you. If I'm sitting in my studio today and all this is like a gift that the universe gave me because at one point creativity spoke through me and came out through me. You know, when when you first thought of I Like Me Better, the tune rang in your head.

And that's where you thought, OK, you know, this is what I can write. All the lyrics came up in your head. You were chosen and not anyone else, because if it was if it was given to someone else of the creativity popped in someone else's head, maybe that person wouldn't create a mental health foundation.

You did something good with your theme. That's interesting, I think I just suffer. I don't want to ask for that, but I just ask a lot of questions like why I was I truly do believe it's not from me. I think my interpretation of that creative. Higher power that's speaking through me, my interpretation is going to be different than anybody's, but I'm like, why? You know, why is it that that came through me, you know, and it can create a weird sense of like, why?

Like. Why, you know, it's like, why do I deserve any of this, you know, because there's a lot of suffering in the world and it's like, how do you justify that? I just don't know how to justify that. You know, I try not to question why too much because it'll tear me apart and then I'll just lose everything, like mentally, I'll just lose my mind. Maybe maybe it's because you do believe in karma, I don't know yet, maybe I don't know.

So, I mean, karma is the basis of yogic thought that everything Hason has a reason, like basically, you know, Newton says that every action has an equal and opposite reaction, but that matters specifically with how you treat other people.

How do you treat other living beings? How do you treat other animals? What intentions do you have for them? And if you yourself give out good intention, if you wish. Well, for the world, the world around you, the simulation around you, as in yoga, they call it Maya.

So they do believe that we live in a simulation. Everything is virtual reality around us.

But if you yourself internally feel good in an outward way, you will receive things. You will receive those creative Bopp's I Like Me Better might start playing in your head and you'll make it an international superhit. So maybe because you were a good person to that point in your life, you got gifted. Have you thought like that?

See, I part of my like OCD manifestation was obsessed with the feeling of being a bad person. You know, I became obsessed with this idea. What if I'm actually a horrible person? Deep down in my heart is horrible. So it's interesting because I don't know.

I get very. When I asked some of these questions, I get very honestly a bit confused, I don't know or a bit like conflicted on how I feel, because I know at this point in my life I have really good intentions and I have a really big heart and I have a lot of love inside of me. Like I know that I have tons of love inside of me, but I also have the ability to, in my head, do the things I was speaking of earlier, you know, feel pain based on my own insecurity or fear and then project that onto somebody else.

And that's not a that is causing pain to somebody else. And it's like, you know, I mean, everybody makes mistakes. Everybody in some way hurts other people at some point in their life. But I'm very I'm not very good at forgiving myself for those things. I feel very bad for stuff like that. So I want to tell you one thing and I want to ask you one thing, OK? The first thing I'll tell you and man, you've got to pardon me for making this like, such a direct conversation with.

Oh, I know. I love it.

So the one thing I'll tell you directly is that the fact that you realized that there were some mistakes done by you in the past, that's more than half the battle won.

That's 90 percent of it won. And the second thing I'd like to ask you is that if you tell me you go outside your house tomorrow, imagine this scenario. You go outside your house and you see a puppy that's in you're like near you. What would you do in that situation?

I would take the puppy and try to figure out if whose dog it was and if it's a it's funny. There is a situation that just came up with somebody I know the other day, but that's totally different.

But yeah, I haven't come across a situation, but try to figure out if it was somebody if I could call the person, if not, I guess figure out bring it to an animal hospital, you know, I mean, probably you probably first and foremost bring it to an animal hospital and then try to figure out who's dog it is.

Yeah, you do the right thing. Right, because your conscience would tell you that. Take this correct action. And you're a good person, man, like when you do a podcast with someone, you're diving deep into people's heads, you don't have bad intent in life and all your actions would be positive all the time. So don't look at that one mistake out of the 99 correct things that you've done and be that harsh on yourself, because they say that the biggest goals of our entire generation.

You're born in 1994, right? Yeah.

So I'm 93 and they say anyone born after 1990 because for us is the ghosts of negative biases and the fact that we are too harsh on ourselves.

We don't give ourselves a break, whether it's correal, whether it's that one small wrong thing we've done. But you've got to focus on the 99 things that you've done correct. There was a reason you've got what you've got and no one else.

I appreciate your perspective. Thank you. Yeah, but I know that somewhere in your heart, you're still not like I mean, you still can't forgive yourself for what you've done.

Yeah, it's it's. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard. It's hard for me. I think I just have a tendency to beat myself up to just and I know that's not helpful. Beating yourself up doesn't help anything, but it's sort of I think I'm very I've been used to making comfort out of pain and loneliness and suffering to the point where. I've realized that I've pushed happiness and love out of my life at points, and I'm done doing that, I'm so done doing that because I found that happiness and can feel foreign or can feel like uncomfortable because you're a bit out of control.

My feeling of control is like this sense of isolation and feeling in pain, feeling mad at myself, wanting to sit alone in a room and cry or whatever it is, or push people away. And just because it's comfortable doesn't mean it's a good thing to do. But do you feel you're getting happier in life and do you feel you are becoming a better person? Yes, and that's all that matters, Brooke. I mean, your present actions and way ahead is a good place.

And, you know, I always hope the best for you men like you. You tell me, what's your what's your what's your present day like?

Like, what do you wake up thinking? Do you where do you want to be in life? What are you working towards?

I don't want to be anywhere except for where I'm at. I don't even right now. My only goal is to. I think what I've realized is when I'm present and I feel like I'm coming from a loving place, all of the right things happen. I'm way better to people, I'm way better to myself. I'm more creative. I'm a better I can be a better partner. And, you know, and in a relationship, I make more societally conscious decisions, environmentally friendly decision.

Like, I feel like my goal is literally to be present and to be. In that state of peace and happiness and love, so that I can make decisions that reflect that, you know. Yeah, do you think your life needed a covid-19 pandemic to happen in the world? It's crazy. I mean, I certainly needed time. I needed time for sure. I mean, I and that's a weird thing, too, because it's like, you know, everyone I think it's a very privileged thing for people to be able to say it's like, oh, you know, in a weird way, this was good.

And I'm like, what's so many people are dying from it? So it's like this weird Oxenham paradox, rather, you know, it's weird. Yeah, but what did it do for your mind, do you think it helped you? Yes, it did. I mean, it put me through some big questioning. Huge questioning and a lot of pain, but also I've come out, I am coming out and I have come out way more self-aware, way more spiritually evolved, I think, and more creative in the best way.

Yeah. Yeah. You have to like, OK, I'm going to put it out there. I had an ayahuasca trip when I was 22. Have you heard of ayahuasca? Yes, it was life changing because it changed neural patterns in mind. I was a different I was a different person after it, for sure. Yeah. The one thing I lacked was self belief. But I used to think of this question a lot about suffering that you just said that, you know, there's so much suffering happening out there.

Why do I deserve a good life?

Yeah, exactly. You know what they say about all ayahuasca trips or all. Have you heard about peyote is, you know. Yeah. So they say peyote is the male version of ayahuasca.

So you're a guy. I'm talking to you. I feel like I'm talking to a guy. But when you do ayahuasca, you feel the presence of a feminine entity.

During that trip, you feel like there's a woman around you, OK? And every everyone who does ayahuasca feels that, you know, if you're sharing the room with another girl, it doesn't have to be romantic. It could be a mom, it could be a girlfriend, whatever. But, you know, it's a woman's energy. Yeah. But in the same way, I know your man's energy, so I was going to give you a woman's energy, gives you a man's energy when I did ayahuasca.

I asked that mother the question in my trip. I asked her that, why do I deserve the happiness when the suffering around me? And the answer I got is that, yes, the suffering around you. But you have to concern yourself with your immediate surroundings and figure out what actions you can take, which can strengthen you up to annihilate the suffering later in life that you can.

Yeah, wow, I mean, I never thought about it in the last part of what you just said. Was so interesting. Yes, because forces usually it forces me to feel like, OK, I must give up everything and then go and just, you know, like I have to go help and help and help. But I probably am not the right person where I'm at in my life right now to do that. And if you focus on everything in your immediate surroundings that you're right.

Emanating that positive energy and helping people in that way, that's so crazy that that seems like it makes a lot of sense that that strengthens you and puts you in a place where you're involved enough to then make a bigger impact and you keep working on your strength.

That's what I learned from the weight room, the gym, that if you can't lift a certain weight, you lift the lighter weight, you get stronger, you get more powerful. And when you can not, you know, and when you actually become stronger, you can lift that heavy weight and you can protect the people around you if they ever need physical protection, which nobody really needs in the modern world. But my point is that the same rules apply to life, fame, money, power.

It's OK if you see suffering around and you want to change it. First, focus on yourself, feel your own loss, make yourself stronger, make yourself more powerful, and then use that height of power to create the change. Even if you have that intention and you're not taking actions towards it right now, it's OK. Just if your intention with your work. OK, I want to get you I want to get more famous. I want to get more powerful through my work to help people later.

If that's your intention, it's OK. It's good work. The world, the universe.

God will come and help you in your work if your intentions about life and changing the world are clean. So that's what I was told me.

Yeah. Wow. I think at some point in my life I will definitely do that. Yeah, but I mean, where do you want to be in your career? Purely from a professional standpoint, what are you trying to do? I'm just honestly, right now, I'm trying to make the best album ever, like the the literally the best possible music I could create. Like, I need to listen to my next album and every second of every song I need to feel like it is my truest and best work.

And that's really it.

You'll do it. You'll do it, bro. Yeah. No, I feel it. I'm hitting a point where I feel it. And other than that, I cannot control everything else and not interested in making myself obsess over goals and accomplishments, because I truly believe when you're doing your best work, the universe will do what it's meant to do, you know, with your with your work, you know.

Do you ever see any of your future songs in your meditations? Do you ever hear any of them in your meditations?

Not really. I haven't actually. Really that doesn't really come up. I think there's been a couple of times where I get, like, small ideas, but that's pretty much it. But maybe after this on that it's say in the song will come, you know, search for it.

Man, I don't know how into podcasts you are, but Giulietti, who is a motivational speaker, I'm sure you have heard of him. There's a guy called JJB, there's another guy called Vitiating LachIan.

So they got together and they created a podcast, which was probably like it changed a lot of my perspectives. I heard it during the lockdown. They said that around us, like all around you, there's little bits of data. You know, people listen to the radio, the tune, the radio to a certain frequency and then they capture it. Yeah. So in the same with this data and creative solutions all around you, the music that you're trying to create is actually in what they call the intuitive realm.

Yeah. Yeah. And and there is a way to tune your own radio and pull it into yourself, which is probably where I like me better came from, and that's why it became what it had to become.

So if you really won, I would request you to listen to that podcast whenever you have time.

Giulietti and Vision LachIan. OK, and the second thing is, you know, at the beginning of your meditation, be open enough to ask a question.

If you actually want the next song to come to you, ask for it, OK? And if you all meditate with an open heart, it'll actually come to you. But you need to have that kind of belief that it will come to you.

OK, I'm going to I'm going I'm like literally going to do that when we're done with this. Uh, yeah, so, I mean, I don't have much else to ask you. Honestly, I'm glad I spoke to you, brother. Yeah.

So I appreciate you sharing all of this from your heart. You know, and this is what I'm interested in doing in life, is just connecting with people and learning different perspectives. And. Yeah, so I appreciate it.

So how is your own relationship with love changed over time? Are you single right now?

Are you dating anyone? Yeah, my my relationship of love has been. I've actually thought about this a lot. I feel like I've been love obsessed, I've always been like, why do I always write songs about love or confliction and love or breakups or love? Everything always has to do with that.

I think it's because I haven't evolved past reckoning to be until recently to reckoning really with true love and what that means. And so I've always been obsessed with it because I never really feel like I truly had it growing up. Like I never really felt like I had, you know, like I always wanted relationships. I was always trying to fill this hole, whether it was a lack of self-love or whatever it was. I don't know if I ever really felt like I had that true feeling of deserving this of like I love you to the core, you know what I mean?

And I think that's made me very fixated on it throughout my career. But I've started to recently, you know, honestly through relationship and through this experience of somebody who's been super, super patient with me and a lot of all of my demons related to love and is giving me unconditional love. Despite all of that, I feel like. You know, she's opening my heart into a totally new place that makes it so creatively, I start to feel like I'm getting inspiration for other things because I'm starting to really feel like my heart is truly being opened.

And there's way more than just relationships to write about in the world, you know?

I mean, it's not all just all these relationships, relationships, relationships, you know. So it's like I feel really thankful for that. Like, do you think you're more creative person when you're in a relationship, because that happens to me.

I think I am usually. Yes, yes. Yeah. But like I mean, do you think that, like, right now you're consciously a better boyfriend than you were in your previous relationship?

Yes. But then why do you why do you still hurt yourself so much about your past if you're doing the right thing in the present? I don't do it all the time, I just, you know, I think when I do things that remind me of my past, then it just kind of pulls past memories, you know, because I'm obviously I'm not perfect. I know my intentions and I'm my awareness is way better than I used to be.

But, you know, I still make mistakes. I still have old patterns where I don't do the right thing. And then I'm like, well, I beat myself. I admit, like, you did that in the past. This time. This time. This time you suck. You're sweaty. And yeah, but overall, I don't beat myself up as much as I used to. Do you know what, Chuck, how familiar with. Yes.

Yeah, I don't know a ton about them, but with my therapist and through other reading and stuff and meditation, I know that they're like different like there's like the crown chakra and like the throat chakra. I don't know. Those aren't the traditional terms, but I've learned a tiny bit about them. So chakras are points on your cerebrospinal axis, like along your spine, the points in your body, which also coincide with very important glands or organs.

OK, so they have two functions, like either they will help your hormonal system and your hormonal balance.

They'll be certain hormones that are released or not released through those points. But they also have emotional significance. For example, your lowest, your sex organs like your penis or your vagina. And also they have your sex glands there. OK, that's the biological side of things. But the emotional importance is that they help you stay in one place. They help you stay grounded.

OK, so if your lowest chuckers Shagan one, it might really result in problems related to your sex organs. But it also means you're the kind of person would overthink too much who lash out at them and they don't have to be linked to each other like you might. You might just have like the emotional side, but you will you will actually they have to be linked.

So they actually they will be linked to each other a lot sometimes, like you will have problems in your emotional side and your focus and your overthinking. And it'll manifest itself as some physical problems in that region as well. The next is your piece related chakra, which is your intestines. So have you heard of IBS, irritable bowel syndrome there? So they say that there's no reason for IBS, but IBS tends to happen in people who aren't happy in life.

And the moment they fix that mental thing or that thing that's happening in their life, that IBS gets fixed interest.

Next is just your solar plexus or your stomach, which is about all your outward things. If you have had jealousy, anger towards other people, then you get problems in your stomach region.

And the reason I was telling you all this was to bring you to your heart chakra, because I feel with you you're someone who has a slightly shaken up heart struggle. And you know what the hijackers are related to.

Yeah, it's a labor of love, like it's related to giving and receiving love and, you know, the kind of music you create your heart to grow strong in terms of giving you give it you have so much love inside you that you even give it to the world like you give it on such a large stage. But you're not able to receive it easily at all, which is why you might you might even be getting things like indigestion, like you might.

You know what a hard bonus I go the 878. Definitely. You might feel that your throat is your communication, which is good for you, it's strong for you, and this is your intuition, like your Pepino gland, which is also good for you. But there are medications to fix these areas. You basically see meditation's a lot of what visualisations the next thing you're sitting. What I will request you to do is that imagine your body's completely filled up with light and especially this region.

Imagine that all the light is going there specifically and healing you. There are a lot of meditations, visualizations. You'll be surprised at how much visualization can help you heal.

And once you feel peace, you ask the universe for that song. You want to write from that piece and you immediately go and start composing right after your meditation while I help you.

This is I can't thank you enough, you know. Thank you so much. I almost started tearing up when you were speaking about receiving love, because I definitely feel that. Gentlemen, the next time you're receiving love from fans or from the love of your life, just take it. And even if it means crying while receiving it, cry and receive it openly because you deserve it. Dude, you're you're a good guy. You put out a lot of good news for the world.

So when people are, like, giving you love, you know, maybe this whole podcast, it even if it never goes up on the Internet, it could just be a moment that will help you. And that'll be enough for me. But you should know that dude like which is why you need to come to India and have many more moments like this in the Himalayas.

I need to. That is absolutely part of my journey. You know, God bless you, don't worry about it, let's end the podcast, but one thing I request of you is just if there's a message you'd like to put out for the world right now. But whatever your feeling, whatever you've learned just in a few sentences or whatever, however long you wish to make it, go for it. Oh, man, this was such a. Heavy conversation.

Honestly, I just wish for everybody that they can get this opportunity, these types of opportunities to explore the healing that I think is important for all of our souls on this planet. You know, I think there is. Especially in the world we live in today, so much noise, so much stuff, so much, you know, just that distracts us from our true spiritual experience and our happiness and our love. And I just wish for everyone that they can get an opportunity, an opportunity in their life to be able to go through this journey and to be aware of it and to help others through this.

And I'm really thankful that you've shared that with me and that I've had those opportunities in my life. God bless you, bro, I hope that album that you're creating actually becomes what you wanted to become and you're doing great, man. Again, you just need external perspective sometimes. You're doing great. The fact that you want to change is good enough right now, and you're the kind of person will take the right action in the right moment.

So just trust yourself, bro. There's nothing that stops you from going where you wish to really go in your heart. And the fact that you're using your fame for good shit for other people, that's all that matters, is that in the present, you're doing the right things, so you're on the right path.

I appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you. This is an amazing podcast. Thank you. God bless you.