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So I was. With Rory. And. Post-Coital. Morning after sleeping over his house, that's big for me. We're hanging out, talking, you know, canoodling. Caught canoodling. And we were kind of doing like the what ifs like, would you still love me or would you what if, you know that kind of stuff? Or maybe as a little one sided, I was doing it. So I was like, well, would you.

Let me like diarrhea on your head, and he's like, well, what what are the specifics there? I mean, what's the circumstance like? Oh, no, no. Yeah, we're stuck in a crevasse. I'm above you were wedged in, we can't move. And. I have. Just a little bit of a stomachache. And I know if I had diarrhea, I'd feel better, but if I hold it in, can I hold it?

And he's like, could you hold it in? I go, I could. But I would feel very many. So he agreed to it. I don't know if I've said crevasse before, is that just a fancy way of saying crevice? It's or is it its own word? A crevasse. Hmmm, I think it's either or like Vaxevanis, I think. Oh, really? I think so. I could have said we're stuck in a crevice.

I feel like crevasse. I don't know if it's the same and it's just Goldstein Goldstein, like you say, but. Seems like in my mind, I would say a large scale crevice would perhaps be a crevasse. If only there was some way, some a library nearby or some way we could find out. Let's take some voicemails. Let's take some voice mails, everybody.

Hi. I'm not nasal hi, I'm Sarah, and I don't speak with the nasal voice if I'm mindful about it.

Let's take a voicemail. Let's take a voicemail. Hey, sir, how you doing? My name is Ben. My question for you is I my assistant in my office is in her 20s and she says she's not going to vote, according to her. Both candidates are just as bad. One just hides it better. Anyway, I appreciate all you do with the platform. You have to help spread kindness and love in the world. And one, if you have any ideas, everything I try to talk to about it doesn't seem to work and wonder if you have any ideas.

So I don't know. Let me know how you let me know my number. Tall side, but you grew up in New Hampshire, I grew up in Vermont, I think around the same time anyway. I feel such wonderful ness when you talk about the other people in Hollywood, Adam Sandler, Seth Meyers, who grew up in New Hampshire and feeling sort of kindred to them anyway. It's wonderful in other respects, Vermont, New Hampshire, rivalries still strong, but that's nice to hear.

Anyway, thanks for all that you do by.

I love Vermont, Vermont's like the cool liberal sister of New Hampshire, I always liked Vermont, you know, the grass is always greener, but I think even in Vermont, they're like, yeah, Vermont's the cooler New Hampshire sister states.

I remember I did a tour and, you know, it's like you do your tour.

And when I get to the hotel, I put my, like, weed stuff's in the drawer next to the bed.

And there's always a Bible, Gideon Gideon's Bible or different kinds of, you know, whatever that is, the Bible of that area. Are there Bibles of areas I don't know. I think the standard hotel Bible is Gideon's Bible, but I really don't know.

I don't even know what that really means. But then it was great because I got to Burlington, Vermont, and I open that drawer to put my my, you know, weed in there. And it was just like a Ben and Jerry's book.

And I was like, oh, man, Vermont. But what was the question?

Yeah, this guy's assistant. This guy has a job where he has an assistant who is not going to vote because she says they both are.

She doesn't like either candidate. You know, I don't know who this.

I think he said it was a woman. She I'm guessing she's white and I'm guessing the all the. Flagrant racism and white supremacy of this president does not touch her in any way and that she may be lacks empathy or awareness that others exist.

But what would I say to her? I mean, you know, maybe just ask her, you know, she might be a Republican that doesn't like Trump and won't vote. I have no idea. I don't know who this person is. But she should know that by not voting, she's potentially enabling the certainly the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which will 100 percent happen if if Trump is re-elected.

Marriage equality probably get flipped. You know, this is a guy who wants to take away trans rights, not let them serve in the military. There are so many trans Americans in the military. It's, you know, and they're heroes. And we should be grateful to them and not.

Anyway, the Muslim ban, I mean, that was really the Muslim ban, besides being insanely racist, is also like selectively racist because he the ban was like every country except for the one that, you know, he does a lot of business with, which happens to be the one that most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia.

But, you know, he's he's selectively racist over money, over racism. But racism still up, still up pretty high.

That's his bread and butter.

So, you know, there are people that just don't get involved in less shit, comes straight to their door.

And this just must not have touched her. She must be a person of means. She must have a family of means and can afford.

Total apathy. But I don't know, whatever, you know, you can't you may not be able to change your mind, but maybe mention those things, you know, she's your assistant. The important thing is that she anticipates you're like lunch order.

And your office supply needs and can type real fast. But go, Vermont. It's always surprising when someone like that's in Vermont. What else, we have another caller. Hey, Sarah, this is David, I was Will Schwartz's roommate in 92, that was when you, I believe, first visited Los Angeles and you stayed on at our place and you slept on my couch. And when we first met, it was in the morning. I came home from my girlfriend's house.

I said, hello, how are you? And you said, and I quote, Well, my pussy hurts. But other than that, I'm fine. Nice to meet you. That was my first meeting. That was the first words I ever heard out of your mouth. But more importantly, a few years back, you posted about Joni Mitchell's album Blue and said that the first time you heard it was when you first visited Los Angeles and your friend in Los Angeles played it for you.

I am of the firm belief that it was my copy of Jan Mitchell's Blue that you were referring to that will play for you. I could be wrong, but I'm hoping you'll confirm it for me. Hope your pussy's feeling better. Please let me know if my beliefs about you're listening to Joni Mitchell is blue the first time are accurate. Thank you.

That's hilarious. Oh.

I remember that apartment it was on, will it be I'm still very close friends with Bill Schwartz, he did the brilliant theme song for our Hulu show, I Love You America and his band, and give a little shout out to his band, psychic friend and his band, you may know.

Oh, my God. Imperial Teen Wolf. That was weird, and he's he's just he's my very close friend and I love him, but I don't remember telling you that my pussy hurt and yet.

I believe you 100 percent, I'm sure I said that I wonder in what way that it hurt. It does no longer hurt. But it's like just talking about it has made me giggle. I didn't first hear Joni Mitchell Blue in your apartment.

That was Ken Ober, may he rest in peace, who introduced me to Joni Mitchell, the album Joni Mitchell Blue with first the song California, because we were in California and it was beautiful.

It's one of those things it was kind of not to sound like Gary Dell'Abate day, but it sounded extra special on vinyl because I had, like, those cracks and crackles and stuff.

The only music I listen to in your apartment was Will was really into DJ Mascot's and Dinosaur Jr. So we listen to a lot of that, but sorry to tell you.

I actually had sex with somebody in your apartment, and maybe that's why. My now that I'm a grown woman vagina hurt that morning, OK, I don't know what else to say.

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Hi Sarah. How's it going. This is Mike from Richmond, Virginia. I just want to say I'm a huge fan. I think you're an absolute genius. I absolutely love the Sarah Silverman program.

So I wanted to ask questions specifically about that. What would you say out of all of the episodes of the Sarah Silverman program, would be your favorite episode and your least favorite episode? And I, I don't want to venture any guesses, but I just want to hear what you had to say about that, because it is one of my favorite television shows of all time, especially Brian and Steve on that show. That is I mean. Oh, so good.

Thank you so much for all that you do, Sarah, and especially this new podcast during this horrible, horrible time. All right, this is a loaded question, first of all, I love that he loves Brian and Steve. And one thing that came out of that show, you know, the executives at Comedy Central did not want Brian and Steve to be.

A couple, and they really fought it and I just said, like, I'll just I'm throwing this whole thing away if they're not a couple, like I just because I remember one of the executives said, well, we don't want our you know, like we're mostly our demo is like 14 year old boys.

And we don't want them to be, like, put off and change the channel. And I was like, if that's what you're catering to.

And you don't want them to learn, you know, whatever, I just like.

I'm not interested in doing a show with you, like fuck all y'all, but to their credit, they were like, OK, and. It was just a couple that they just loved each other. They weren't any kind of stereotype. They were just who they are and they loved each other.

And I think a lot of people gave us feedback that they that it was nice. We had neighbors actually at the time that were a gay couple from Boston with like the greatest Boston accents.

And they were like guys, you know, they're not they weren't persay, effeminate or, you know, whatever.

But they were like, that's all. Stephen Bryana us. And I do think that there are some gay men who felt not represented in art in the way that they were.

I don't know anyway. Probably doesn't hold up now because they they're the actors are straight.

But anyway, it was a nice little tiny mini step forward. Now let's talk about the big steps backwards.

My least favorite episode, needless to say, is probably the episode where I just I wear just the most racist blackface.

You know, the episode is about we're at Romanski, the diner realizes that, and the waiter who's played by Alex dizziEr and I get into a fight over who has it harder in this life, Jews or black people.

And we decide what we'll do is we'll switch. We'll swap for the day. I'll be black and he'll be Jewish.

So, you know, you see at the end, he you know, he's wearing one of those like glasses with a giant Juneau's and like a yarmulke and Paice and a T-shirt that says, I love money and I'm wearing just the most racist black face.

I put on just the shoeshine full on circle of blackface with like space around the mouth, like the full Al Jolson. And then my character walks through the streets and people go, You're disgusting.

And then my idiot character goes, Oh my God, it is harder to be black, right?

So that's like the joke of the episode, and then she becomes this civil rights person who thinks people hate her because she's black and not because she's wearing blackface.

So that's the. That's the gist of the episode.

You know, and it was written by there were five of us writers and we were all white, Jewish, whatever that is, and we knew that racism was very real and we really thought we were using racism to talk about racism.

And I think. You know, when I posted that thing I said about cancel culture last week, which was actually from like episode two of this podcast, I think maybe people really liked it.

And the thing that was really interesting was that people liked it. It was very. Partisan like or nonhostile is like that up. Nonpartisan it was people from. The left and people from the right seem to really like it, but a couple people thought maybe I was when I talked about giving people a path to redemption, that it was selfishly like talking about myself or maybe I just thought, God, I hope people don't think that because I wasn't.

No, I wasn't. I wasn't talking about myself. I'm a comedian. I'm I'm a comedian. And when you're a comedian. Just by virtue that comedy is not evergreen, you're taking a risk, you know, especially if you're thought of or you consider yourself a risk taking comedian or an edgy comedian. That risk is something you're risking, something you can't complain.

When there are consequences, you're risking consequences. That's part of your job as part of what I do.

So if you want to take that risk, you have to accept consequences and I accept these consequences.

I've talked a lot about it.

You know, if you don't want consequences, then don't call yourself edgy, though. I mean, like any comic that calls themself edgy is, you know, it's a little corny. That's for other people to say doll.

But the reason.

But you can look at art, the same piece of art, you know, different times throughout the world and see a very different thing each time as because what changes is the world around it? And it changes what you see, you know, and awake.

An awakened world is going to see more problems, but it's worth it because then you can fix those problems.

So back to this blackface episode of the Sarah Silverman program.

We we wanted to use comedy to explore and expose racism, which, you know, now just is like I feel like saying fuck you like to myself. But I you know, I had not yet learned.

All that I know about race in America, then I knew there was racism in America, but I, I, I had no idea what I was about to. Understand? I had no idea really what was going on, you know, and social media was a huge part of my education, you know, just like the just like the Metoo movement taught well-intentioned servicemen that.

Daily life for nonces men is fundamental, fundamentally different is fundamentally harder. And that up until then, six men had only had to see life through their own six male lens to survive.

And I remember the moment. Just a few years ago, when I realized that white people have only had to see the world through a white lens in order to survive. Whereas people of color. Have to see the world through. Their lens and a white lens in order to get survive in this country. Just like women. See the world through their lens and me to see the world through a male lens in order to survive in this country.

But I was watching yet another black person get shot by a cop. As for Orlando Castiel to 2016. And I remember thinking. Oh, my God, there's an epidemic of. Cops killing. Black people that the very you know, of black people being killed by the people who have sworn an oath to serve and protect them. God. And then a couple minutes after that, I went. Oh, my God. It's not an epidemic, it's how it's always been.

I'm just seeing it now because of social media. That was a doozy. That changed me, you know, like on a cellular level. Then I started looking back. And the realizations kept coming like that episode where I wore blackface had to go through several filters to be on national television. It wasn't anywhere blackface at a party.

You know, somewhere in time it was on television, had to go through many filters. And not only was it written and produced by whites, but the filters were white. And this is only, you know, 13 years ago. And the realization that, you know, we always thought like in this episode. In this episode, I thought I was playing an ignorant woman in a liberal bubble who thought she was illum illuminating racism by wearing blackface.

What I didn't realize then is that in reality. I was an ignorant woman in a liberal bubble who thought she was illuminating racism by using blackface.

So now what? I wish I could delete it from existence, but I can't, can I can I wait? Can I? No, I can't. I can only be.

Fundamentally changed by it. And make it right the best they can in every way that I can for the rest of my life, period. It's not a curse, it's a gift, you know, it's not hard. But you can't unring that bell. And again, there are consequences, and I got to take them. I got a cast in an all black movie, two days of work on it. And it's great, it's actually going to come out soon.

And I learned all my lines, I was really excited. Written, directed, produced. All black people and I was really honored to get to be a part of it and excited, and the night before I was going to shoot at 11 o'clock at night, my agents called me and said.

That I was fired because they. One of the producers found picture like stills of me. From that episode in blackface, and that's a consequence. That's a consequence, period, I was bummed they certainly couldn't see myself as a victim. And I really think I would have done a great job at it, but they were probably smart, I understand it's a small movie that did not want some stupid backlash like this. Deterring it from succeeding. How can I blame them?

It's funny because I was talking to I'm I don't mean to name drop, but I'm personal friends with Tiffany Haddish and I love her so much.

And and she told me recently that we've known each other for a long time.

But, you know, she told me recently that we were shooting that episode and and we were shooting in a church in South Central that day.

And she said that she showed up that day and tried to, like, get her way in to be an extra in that scene.

And I said, Tiffany, you know, I was wearing blackface in that scene. And she said, Yeah.

Oh, no, I know. And I don't know I don't know why I'm telling that story other than I was like moved in that moment. Because she loved me anyway. I don't know, does that answer your question? Oh, and my favorite episode was probably slip slope. Has that Caroline, did you like do you think that it was. Right. Yes, yeah, absolutely. You represent all black people right now, I'm the appointed spokesperson.

We had a.

Remember when Diana was writing for the show, we didn't have, like, you know, OPIS or Lee-Anne or anything yet, and she was just like did not want to be the representative of black people.

And like, whenever we were talking about race, you just go. But you will like to meet eyes with anybody. And then she just like I don't want to represent all black people, and I, I know it's you're right, but then it would be odd to not check in with you either. And then it was like a whole thing.

And then and then we were writing wait, she titled it Meshuggener Mel. And then we were talking about Jewish stuff, and oddly on the Hulu show, I was the only Jewish writer on the show and she looked at me about some Jewish thing, which I didn't notice. But she goes, oh, God, I just looked at you about saying that Jewish thing.

And I go, Oh, so how did you know?

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So first of all, thank you so much for being so outspoken and so well during this time. And by this time, I mean, what's felt like the past fucking twenty years with this orange douche bag in the White House.

I I guess a question for you is how the fuck? How the fuck do you stay? Sane and not. Live all day with anxiety, keeping up with everything, I keep up with everything too, and I'm just fuckin riddled with anxiety and depression.

I guess I'm being a little presumptuous that you're not also feeling these feelings or feeling these feelings, but how you do it, like, how do you how do you how do you push on like what gives you the I guess not motivation?

Because we already know why you're motivated and why we're all motivated, but. The fear keeps you going. It's so hard right now, it's it's fucking hard. Anyway, thanks for doing what you do. Been a fan for years. Big fan of yours for. All right.

Fucking long time and appreciate everything you do.

Thanks. How do I stay sane? I mean, I don't know. It's it's definitely a. Doesn't always I don't always stay sane, but I do think. You know, my mom, first of all, she died thinking either Bernie or Hillary were going to win. So in that way, I'm. I think that's a good thing. I miss her, but I don't know how she would handle this.

She's someone who is always who is glued to MSNBC, which is, you know, liberal.

And it's another 24 hour news outlet. It's just the liberal Fox News.

I mean, I don't totally equate them, but they have to generate rage. This is how they these channels exist. And she was in a state of rage and frustration and righteousness. All the time. And I remember saying, Mom, sometimes you got to change the channel. Watch your bones. And I think that's what it is, it's like I read the news. I try to check out different sources, see what's going on. And then I want to Bones.

Figuratively, sometimes literally, but, you know, I do think that you have to. You know, I think about. Living in total apathy and how it must just be so much healthier for you physically and mentally. But do we want to be totally apathetic, people want to care about the world, care about others, I don't know. I choose the latter.

But I do think a little dose of apathy, just a little brain vacations where you you know, I watch an old law and order or I watch a.

I've been watching these Columbo's from the 70s, and they're fucking masterpieces. And I just and I take a puff, I don't go crazy, I make it a treat.

But at the end of the night I have a little puff of Indica and I get a little clarity, a little release.

That's what works for me. Whatever it is you got to do, some people have to, you know, meditate and it's huge.

I do a kind of meditation which is really turns just into a nap, which is funny, but it's true.

You know, it's like I'll take a little nap.

It helps me get.

Just it just helps me get a little piece, but you need that you need to be able to separate from all these this madness, all his atrocities, or you can't even be effective.

You know, it's like think about like an EMT. Is that what?

EMT, emergency medical technician. Yeah.

Or someone who works in an E.R., you think they must have so much empathy, they must care so much and I'm sure they do, but in order to do what they need to do, they have to have a ton of separation.

They need to have some kind of, like, emotional wall.

Otherwise people would come with a knife in their chest, you know, into the E.R. and the doctor would be like, oh.

You know, you know, you have to be able to, like, take care of business or you aren't helpful, and I think it's that way across the board, even like in in comedy.

You know, if you want to talk about stuff that really matters to you and your comedy, you do need to have a little bit of kind of emotional separation or you're just going to be. Preachy and not funny, but in order to find the comedy in it, you do need a little bit of distance. I don't know. So that's that's it, I just think in order to be effective and and stay sane, you have to actually care about your own wellness.

Whatever that is. And have a little distance, take some time outs, you know, my Auntie Martha says, grab joy where you can get it. So there you go. Maybe that's helpful, maybe not too much. Hi, Sarah. This is a message for you from Sam from London in England. I'm a big fan of you and your podcast, which I'm really enjoying. My question has two parts. The first is, when you were in a relationship with Martin Sheen, did you come to the UK much?

And did you do anything or see anything that you really liked? Or actually, more interesting question is, did you see or do anything that you really, absolutely hated? The second part of the question is, have you ever done any kind of activity or recording or something with Larry David? Because you are two of my real comedy idols. And I would think that a conversation between the two of you would be really hilarious if I don't know about something that means that you've had a big fall out or something.

I apologize, but it just occurred to me today while I was listening to your interesting podcast about Jews in culture and the kind of erasure of Jews and culture, which I feel very strongly about myself. And it just struck me that that would be something great to hear. OK, thanks. Said a British Jew is a British Jew, there are them, there are them, let me see, from what I can remember of this question, I am friendly with Larry David.

I would like to say I think I could say I am friends with Larry David, but we've never done anything professionally together.

It's funny because years ago, when I was working on the Sarah Silverman program, I got a call from Larry David and at that point I didn't know him. And I was like, oh, my gosh, you know?

And I got on the phone and he said, hey, I'm shooting a publicity, you know, billboard picture for four Curb Your Enthusiasm.

And the concept of it is I'm on a therapist's couch and you see that the therapist has hung himself. You know, you just see his legs dangling.

But someone on the set said you had that joke and I didn't want to step on it if you did it. I said, I don't have that joke. You're welcome to do it.

It happened to me in real life, which I wrote about in my book The Bedwetter. But yeah, when I was 13, I went to therapy because I was a real fucked up and I went to a psychiatrist and he basically just said, I'm going to write you a prescription for this thing called Xanax.

Any time you feel bad, just take one. And then I went back for a follow up appointment and I'm sitting in the waiting room and I noticed that I read an entire People magazine. And I I remember thinking, like, I had never read a whole magazine, but that must have been I must have been there for an hour, you know, and know what was going on. And that was before cell phones, you know, and it's it was New Hampshire in the winter.

So it was like four o'clock in pitch black outside. And he shared an office like this Victorian house. And he my shrink shared an office with this hypnotist.

I had also gone to a couple of years earlier for bedwetting.

And the his name was Dr. Grimm. I'll change the name of my the psychiatrist, but all of a sudden Dr. Grimm comes down the stairs and. He goes, oh, God. And I said, where's Dr. Riley? And he goes, and then with no bedside manner, he was like, I had tears streaming down his face. His whole face was red, his eyes are red.

And he's like, doctor.

So I was 13. I was just like. I didn't know what to do, I had to just wait until the hour was over for my mom to pick me up. It was very awkward. Awkward is not the right word. But devastating isn't either I felt very removed from it, it just was it felt it was just so out of body for me and I I wasn't close with the might only met him once and he put me on this medication, you know.

And I remember thinking because he was a grown up who had braces, you know, like metal braces, and I, I remember thinking I can't believe he didn't even wait for his braces to come off, you know?

I think that always gives people a boost, because I knew a lot of kids who that year got their braces off and, you know, it really gave them a lift.

Anyway, oh, boy, I went a whole different direction, but that's my Larry David story of yore and I didn't date Martin.

She and I dated Michael Sheen. A lot of people make that mistake.

I know you meant Michael Sheen, of course.

And I did go to the U.K. a lot with and without him. Actually, when I went with him, we were in Wales a lot because he's Welsh and I loved Wales. I didn't really get to know the people outside of his family and extended family.

And but I loved them and even stay in touch with some of them.

And, yeah, that was really interesting. I I'm not worldly. You know, I've been to everywhere pretty much every state in our country, but I haven't been to a lot of other countries.

But then for wreck it, Ralph, I did a lot of traveling outside of the country, so I will say London.

I'm going to give it more chances, but my experiences in London haven't been great, I mean, I like it. I have a couple friends there that I always hit up when I'm there and I have a good time with them, but.

This is just from what I pick up, people in London don't seem friendly, like I'm someone that I if I'm in line at Starbucks or wherever I talk to the people in line, you know, I like to talk to strangers. And in in London, they just act like you're a fucking crazy person.

If you talk to make small talk, I guess they don't make small talk there.

I don't know. I mean, it was different if they recognized me, but that's different, you know, but I didn't find them like friendly.

But I'd like to see, like, the countryside of of England that I see in movies, you know, that's like Broadchurch or like Dorset, I think is one that looks so beautiful.

But I don't know. I didn't I went to Ireland. I was in Dublin for a day and I found the people very friendly. I had I had so many conversations with strangers.

And I go, everyone's so much friendlier here than in London. And they were like, yeah, I know. So I guess it's maybe it's a thing, but I have very little to base it on. I will say I went to Australia. And I did like the people there, I made friends just walking down the street. Just walking down the street, I met some people, went up to their apartment, smoked weed. It was fun and I I did like the people there, especially in Melbourne.

I did a lot of stand up there and I did I had shows there, but then I also did some like little rooms and fell into like the gang of comics there right away. It just felt like I knew them forever.

I really liked like I've done a lot of standup in London and I eat just bowls of shit there. I'm just I just don't connect there. I don't know what it is like.

You know, when I have shows I've done shows like at The Less Leicester Square I think is a theater that was that was really good.

But the press is frickin brutal there.

And I had like a real bad experience once.

There were you know, I was doing a show, my show was 50 minutes five zero. And in England, they expect the show to be two hours. But I had no idea this was the show I was doing at the time. It was like, my Jesus is magic, that basically. And I went there and I did it, first of all, my opening act, Steve Agee, bless his soul, completely bailed and never came out, just didn't get on the plane, just chickened out.

So I got two last minute Rich Fulcher and Matt Berry, who are big stars. There they go. Well, we'll do an opening thing. They immediately belts. So they were supposed to do 15, 20 minutes. They did like two minutes and build.

I don't mean to, you know, but it is the truth if you guys are listening, that was true and you took up the whole sound check because you were going to do some like via satellite thing with Steve Agee, who were all friends and it didn't work and blah, blah, blah. And I didn't even do sound check. My sound check is one second like lights, Mike.

Great. Anyway, I thought the show went well.

Then I get off stage, then they come up to the backstage area and they go they they want you to go back out. And I was like, oh, wow, OK.

And when I come back out and I'm like, that's all I have you guys. Oh my gosh, thank you. I thought the show went great. But what I didn't know was they were all booing when I got offstage because they felt completely ripped off that the show was so short. But I had no idea that they expected a two hour show. I've never done a two hour show. I'd hate to go to a two hour show. To be honest, I think standup should be under an hour or an hour tops.

So I had no idea then I Googled myself the next day, every review is that I got booed off the stage, which I did not experience at all because I did really well. And then I got off stage and was taken to another room. And I guess that then they were booing. Then I read more and I guess people were waiting outside in the rain during soundcheck. It wasn't even my sound check. It was my opening act, sound check.

But I had no idea. Anyway, it really sucked.

I went home early, to be honest, from England, because I was so sad and I was hanging out with The Mighty Boosh guys and they were really great, except one had incredible body odor. But I will tell you, I like body odor. But this was intense. There's something about I don't know anyway.

Yeah, I don't have great experiences with London, but I'll still give it another chance because I have friends out there really love and it's been fun doing TV there and stuff when I do it.

Oh, but when I went to Melbourne. Yeah, Melbourne. OK, so I'm in Melbourne. Bun. If that's a conflict, Nicholaus. But I go, oh, I love it here in Melbourne, and then my new friends, the comedians, go. It's Melbourne, it's pronounced Melbourne, and I said, let me ask you something, if I was from Italy and I was like, Milbourne know, would you be like, it's Melbourne?

Or are you saying that because I'm going to fucking ugly American, they go.

The latter. They didn't say the latter, but they agreed with me, I love Australia.

My sister in law, common law, sister in law, my my sister Jodie and some partner, she's Australian and she's really funny.

But, you know, they they have, like, nicknames for everything. Everything is shortened. Like even if they're talking about the Holocaust, they'd be like, were you grandparents in the holly? Were they in the Huli? I don't remember what the question was, but I hope I answered it. You seem lovely. You seem lovely.

I'm going to come visit you the next time I go to England.

I mean, one of my best friends is British, I will say. So there's that. Some of my best friends are British. Who else? Sarah, liberal Christian here, I'm a big fan of your podcast and I love I love you America. What you say about healing this fractured nation is spot on. It's all about opening up to others, being honest and vulnerable enough to make real personal connections. Listening, speaking, learning, leaving room for redemption.

Fred Guttenberg lost his daughter Jamie in the Parkland shooting. He as it didn't just break him, it broke him open. White men have a lot of opening up to do if we're going to heal our culture. So full of selfishness. Thank you for being sensitive and smart and funny. Keep going. We need you. That's beautiful. I never heard that about Fred Guttenberg. Yeah, there's something about there's a book by I don't know if I'm saying her name right, I think it's like Pema Children, she's a monk and it's called When Things Fall Apart.

And it is that kind of like. When things fall apart, when the worst thing happens, like rising out of the ashes, kind of. In that way, just being broken open, you know, and just like we talked about failure the other week like that, it can be such an opportunity, blah, blah, blah. But, yeah, that's what I learned, traveling around America, talking to people, having opinions and talking to people with different opinions and and realizing that, you know, and you see it on social media, people fighting and and making people feel stupid.

And that doesn't open people up at all when you're like, yeah, will this fact, this fact, this fact.

And it seems like the right thing to do, you know, present facts.

But the truth is, people aren't none of us are changed really by I like to be to be honest, I like to be changed by new information. I'm not I don't find myself threatened by finding out I'm wrong about something and learning what the truth is.

I seek that out. I really care more than left or right or any kind of narrative. I'm not saying I'm so great, but I've gotten to a place where I really just want to know what is true. But in general, as humans, as far as beating hearts, which we all are, even on the right, I know the right likes to make fun of us as snowflakes or that we get triggered, but. They, too, are sensitive souls, that's what we are.

We're made up of only just feelings.

So, yeah, you're not going to change anyone by making them feel judged or making them feel dumb or you don't even really change people's minds often.

This is what I was saying with facts or poll numbers or things like that. People people are really only changed from feelings. So, you know. When you meet someone and you are very aggressively different minded, it's better to just find the places where you connect.

Because really, if they're going to be changed at all, they'll be changed by. Loving you, this person who embodies everything they're against or this person who embodies, you know, completely polar opposite, you know, ideology than them. If they can love you. Then they can be open to all sorts of things, you know? So to me, it's like when it comes to people. As opposed to like policy makers and shit like that. Just find a place where you do connect.

We're all connected in some way, I know that sounds hippy dippy and maybe it is, but it's just the truth.

It's science, I think. And that's where I always feel like to me, there's such a difference between the liars and the lied to.

I don't like liars and I have no problem, you know. Being judgmental of them. Because I don't like I think that's, you know, just the lowest of the low kind of shit. But they lied to the people that are just believing the stream of information that they get on their social media, you know?

I don't know, it's different. You know, like we went to Louisiana and met with a whole family of Trump supporters and and also when we went to Wisconsin to know, is it Wyoming?

Wyoming, yeah, that's rural Wyoming, sorry, the very last state, if you say them in alphabetical order and both times I left, they're loving these people.

I love them.

It's so easy to love people, I mean, you know, especially when, you know, I put them in a position where they are my hosts, you know, like I'm just there and I'm depending on them for for food and comfort and, you know.

To a very small degree survival, and so I like putting myself in people's hands like that. And I think I left there with them loving me, too, I think really I mean, I don't I think so. And it's easy when you're, you know, one on one with people and. I don't know, you can disagree with people and still like them, you know, when you're in Louisiana, it's like they were telling me that Obama was from Kenya and, you know, all the things that they believe from this racist birther president we have.

But they didn't realize that they were all on Obamacare, all of their insurance was Obamacare. And I.

I didn't point it out, and I even in post, you know, on the show, I didn't pointed out because it was very obvious and I don't want to shame them, but anyone watching could see when they said where they got their insurance from that, you know, ACA insurance is Affordable Care Act.

That's Obamacare. But you know what, when we were in Wyoming, we shot guns and I grew up shooting guns in New Hampshire at camp, we were like learned how to clean a rifle.

And there is a certain amount of I'm, you know, the Second Amendment, I understand it is there's there are hunters out there that's you know, and the kids, you know, they're like 12 year old daughters.

They're like 12 year old daughter taught me how to, you know, how to shoot the gun. And she had such respect for this machine that can kill, you know, she understood everything about it. They they teach their kids the dangers of guns and how to use them.

And we shot bottles and cans and it was a blast.

It's you know, I don't think that we need guns of war. I people who say that AR 15s are for hunting. And they do use their fifteens for hunting, but it is no longer a sport. You're being a pussy, and I don't like to use pussy in that way because pussies are actually extremely strong and durable.

It's shooting fish in a barrel for using an AR 15 for to hunt. I proclaim that is no longer a sport. I don't know how I got to this, I would I would like to I guess I do have an interest in I would like to really learn how to use a gun.

And but I had to it's a quandary because I.

I also feel that comedians should not be allowed to have guns because we're whimsical and we kill ourselves.

It's funny because it's true. Are there any other calls? Did I answer anything? Did I just say a collection of words? What else? Just so you know, after your naked balut video, you are trending search on PornHub, just thought you might want to know that. That can't be true. No, why am I so excited? That's very exciting. I searched my name on PornHub once, and I have been naked in a bunch of movies, but it's funny because I've only been naked since I was 40.

And then, like one of the main movies I was naked in, the whole point of it was to be like it's nudity without sexuality. So it's just like women in a shower, you know, at the Y.

And so I didn't get to, like, place myself in a. Sexy angle or anything, you know, it's about just kind of. Not sexualizing nudity, and that juxtaposed with like then there's a scene with Michelle Williams stars in it with her and this guy, Luke Kirby, this actor, and they're just at a diner talking and it's like the hottest scene you've ever seen.

So it's really interesting how the director, Sarah Polley, like, just juxtaposes those things.

So when I was shooting this naked scene, it's it was I was with Michelle Williams and a few other actors, actresses, female actors.

And in the scene I'm like talking and talking, just shooting the shit, you know, we're just talking, you know, mumblecore stuff.

And in my character is shaving her legs.

So I've got like a stool and I'm shaving my legs.

And then it was in between shots. First of all, I manicured my bush, like, compulsively because I had never been naked in a movie. And I I trusted Sarah Polley and she wanted this.

And I said, yeah, yeah, OK, this is this is interesting.

But, you know, I should have just left my Bush alone. But I you know, I go, well, I'll just trim this side. I go, well, now I've got to make it even. And then I go, well, I'll do a little underneath and then I go, well, now this side's different than this. And by the end, it was just this the tiniest little like Hitler mustache.

And then, you know, we get in the shower and I look at Michelle Williams, she's got this big, beautiful Bush that I didn't realize until later was a wig. I could have had a nice wig, but anyway, it was a beautiful looking bush and and here I am with this just insane like Marine's haircut.

And anyway, so I do the shaving thing.

I'm remembering my lines. You know, there's a lot to remember acting as a lot of technical stuff, you know, and then we're in between shots.

And Sarah Polley comes to me and she gets real close to give me notes is very intimate, respectful, you know.

And she goes, I could see her, like, searching for the right words. And she goes. When you're when you lift your leg up onto the stool to shave your legs, we are. We're seeing some lip. And all I remember is I grabbed her shoulders to keep from collapsing. From just. Passing out like my body just wanted to like, you know, when your body takes control and just goes into shock and takes you out of the pain of the current moment.

So that was that was a real doozy, but I'm glad she gave me that note.

And in the movie you do not see Lip, so I don't want to say I'm an amazing actor, but I did make the adjustment seamlessly.

And God, I was naked in this drama, I did, I smile back. And one scene, the very first scene we shot, don't you always hear actors say this is really the first scene we shot of the movie? Was this scene with this great actor, Tommy Sadosky?

And he we he we are having sex and then he flips me over. We have anal sex.

But, you know, it's you don't see. I think you see maybe my boobs, but you don't, you know, whatever it's shot like, it's not a rated X movie, but that's what the scene was.

And I was so nervous about it and just but he was such a pro. And he's just a very he's like a real actor, you know, and he was so helpful. And it's funny because my friend Dave Jesco knew I was worried about this scene. And then afterwards that night, he called me and he's like, how did it go?

And I go, it was great.

You know, he always quotes me because it's it's just such a funny reaction to a, you know, a scene where you're simulating anal sex, you know, how was it?

I was really great. It was really not bad. But it wasn't it was pretty good, it did pretty. Pretty good. Yeah, so it was trending on PornHub, that's very exciting, my my I can't believe I'm saying this late great friend and writing partner Adam Schlesinger gave me a joke and I never used it.

But it's such a great joke. I can't believe it's not just one of those classic Jewish jokes. It really should go into the echelon of those.

But it's a what does the Jewish mother say to her porn star?

A daughter after a gang bang. You were the best one, she has it been another show already? I don't believe it. I won't believe it. I would ask you to subscribe, rate and review and check us out on YouTube, subscribe rate and review wherever you listen to podcasts and also check us out on YouTube.

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