Down lattes about the champagne, please. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm going to sing a song for, you know, I wrote it myself. I wrote it about a month ago. But the morning after remembering it.

No, I was sitting at home with not. No, of course not. But the about food. So I sat on the couch and I put on the telly, had the remote control balanced on my belly. I used the entertainment half to watch a documentary about the invention of doughnut in the parking lot. And I fancy the film about going on a farm to watch it. But this guy said in the past week, seven day retirement's coming to an end, put me my own imagination, took me round the bend so I out the money.

Yes, I'm very nonchalant, but no TV has got what I want. I don't care if I ever leave home again. Just plasma television. Me on the who don't fit me. No TV could do to me. So no TV. Thank you. Thank you very much. Welcome, everybody, to the Tom and Hector podcast with Lurita Blewett picture sounds need to be turned up just by year from now.

Thank you. Oh, welcome, everybody.

You go to the magic board and I don't know if it ever first time in my pop shield.

So I have done something and something happened this week that never happened before in my life and in my career and in my routine. All right. OK, this was the first time ever, ever it happened.

And it is it is it shows us where we are in the country and it shows us the way things have changed. And I said, fuck it, why not? Why do all you have to do that? Why can't I turn the tables and get it done there? So I don't think you tell us anymore.

And it was just you just so every week with this inspirational because it's just a random, non non-specific information.

Well, now, something happened to me last Friday and it wasn't Thursday. And I was there on the ground and I said, that'll never happen again on the phone and people of the middle of the night. No, I do not think if John only thinks you can say that to my wife or moon, walk out to the Jackson naked eye.

And no, I maybe I explain it better. I think so.

I geographically in the country or like, you know, so I decided, well, I didn't decide I'd heard of this service that was available.

I'm still asking you to read it. So I don't know, I should say you didn't or I decided not to go into town for a haircut.

You would not have put that together.

Slate and to do what I did, I got a mobile person to come to my house to. Got me here.

No, no, no.

Now you're old now have I got your attention? Mobile barber. Just sort of. He's again in here at this.

I'm by the way, this is me valvular I think on this this is a juicy couture since 1987 in my wardrobe have so many retro bits I'm going to start wearing them again.

So I said fuck, it was too hot.

Now I. Rang Siobhan, and I said, Siobhan, I hear you've left the job, and she said, Yeah, she said, I'm now mobile. I come to people's houses and I'll cut your hair. And I said, Wow. I said, Yvonne, when she goes Thursday morning, 11 o'clock, I got my hair cut by a mobile hairdresser.

And did she come with was she colvard concerned?

Yes. So what does she want? She had a asking.

How irresponsible of you to ask that. And I'm just I'm not sure because she's going around different houses. So she arrived, took out the suitcase, the mobile suitcase at the back of the car with all the stuff in.

It would also not be more than just this is a mobile suitcase. But on wheels, there are also cases of mobile phones, not mobile.

It's a wardrobe or a gesture as to why you promise me or you're right. Did she come in a mobile car as well? Or this is coming from somebody from.

This is priceless now into a luggage shop. All right. I'm going to be doing a bit of travelling now, but I know a lot about my place.

She arrived. She arranged by suitcase. She took it out of the car and wheels on it. So she ferried up to the door.

She had a mask on and I ushered her into the kitchen where I had specially prepared an area where I went down to the garage and took down this old 17th century mirror that I had when I was there with me.

Happy days. As long as it opened up behind the fruit basket and had me little area there, my little stool.

And then came Siobhan Mobile, caught by Siobhan has called and Yvonne, who's been got me here for a while in a place in town, cut my hair and it was great. She wore the mask. I put on some music. It's great fun. She's Manchester Irish and it was brilliant and 30 minutes later to Bobbye and I didn't have to go into town for it.

I didn't have to find parking. And that is the world we live in. I got a mobile haircut.

Wow. So I have the no cuts myself on mobile here.

Well, in your area tell me. And she's mobile. You see she's in your area. She does talk to the one.

She's almost the reason why she said she said this is it.

I have to take this step and I have to do this. And if a young girl, she's four or five, that's just out at nine and she said, I'm doing this now and this is the way that it is, I'm going round. And if I can grant a couple of clients every day I'm doing it isn't that way.

Yeah, I saw I was walking past a house the other day and I saw outside a van parked for mobile dog washing services and the van was sitting outside.

Maybe Shivon should get a Hayase van and turn it into a barbershop, turn the back of it into the little chair and a little mirror, and it'll say, wow, I think that will be a better idea.

And then not, you know what? There was something really nice that I was still at home and somebody went. And twenty minutes later I had my hair done and they're gone. Yeah.

Mighty sorry. Hello. What's wrong, Tommy? He's he's turning into a fucking Tommy, the technician here. He's like, this fucking has been on the studio for you do.

I'm not ready yet. I see. No, turn off your microphone.

Check your headphones. Welcome back to the show, everybody, and be a bit more enthusiastic, he's trying to tell you, be a bit more enthusiastic. All right. We start again. Is he doing trades? Welcome back to the podcast.

OK, well, OK. Knowledge you is what is wrong with you, Tommy? You're like a lunatic sound engineer. OK, so I, I think it was I think it's important that everybody learns something new every week.

I think between the Fokin and sniffles here, when you get a fucking taste, you told me you've been sneezing for the last time. Is something right? I don't give them eye contact when he's telling the story. Give me the devil. Always giving you like.

Yeah. Listen to me. Listen, I learn something new every week. Yeah. Listen, I think he needs to go. I don't fucking need to blow your nose spray or something.

Like I'm not using your nose spray.

Well, I know not that, but you need it. Act like I believe to learn something new.

You've said every week, I think really important. The reason I'm going to look at you is already not so. Knowledge, I think, is very important.

And I don't think we should ever stop learning. I think it was the German philosopher Dietrich Bertrand that said.

What's his name again?

I don't know if he fucking said I think it was you like this, you'll be like, Oh, well, that's my daughter.

I knew you. No, no, I didn't make it up.

Dietrick Patrick said that learning is the German philosopher who said that learning something. What's the word? German. Just because you've noticed Brooks in every interview you do on German.

Listen, he doesn't tell me Tommy don't look like a train. Like listen to what he says. OK. One was learning something new brings your upstairs in life. It brings the brain to an upstairs in life.

OK, bring the brain to an upstairs in life. Dietrich said that and his Polish eyes or he did not say that. I'm not talking brains. Your brains went upstairs and I don't know what it wasn't.

I can't remember the exact quote unquote exact quote is downstairs with your mother upstairs. Downstairs. I think that's an interior magazine senior. Always wanted to go. And what did he say? I'm on it. This is like SNI or.

No, no, it's not Snakeman. So Lurita, if he said it.

Oh, yeah. Well, who's that famous German?

You go home and your dad is Wood and the rest of the audience just like that fucking watch Dietrick.

Patrick said that bringing new knowledge to your brain allows you to go upstairs in your mind. And that's a fair fucking point. I want to know, what do you think he means by that?

I want to learn new things every week, every day, every day.

But I try and do stuff. I try and take it to the next level. I try and give me something new. So the other night in the house over now downstairs, we were downstairs in the kitchen.

There was a problem with the fridge and it was it was flooding a little bit at the back of the fridge. And I was going, fuck, it's only a new fridge. I said, what the fuck is going on? It's always leaking. So I was putting in. So it was leaking. It was put in put in kitchen table at the back. Yes, it was getting soggy. It's not fucking icing. It's a new fridge. I said, what the fuck is going on here?

All right. So lo and behold, and this is what I mean, this is this is what Patrick meant about opening your mind and learning something new.

Every single fridge that's manufactured has a sausage hall at the back. Yes. There's a little tiny little hole at the fridge that will accept moisture or condensation.

Did you know about this? Yeah. Everyone knows, but he just does not let us Diplock on told you there was a soul patrol at the back of the bridge.

My and I have a fridge, so I went in behind the bottle. Yeah. And the floor and the buffalo mozzarella and and the orange juice.

And I got down and I saw it.

And if you use the straw, sometimes there's Cottonwood. Well, you've plenty of them in the house.

You know, what happened was she's gonna sneeze, scorn, sneezing. I wonder just only has hay fever. So I continue to the. Tom is now going outside to sneeze.

So I pulled everything out of the fridge, you know, know that thing like my father in the chicken or did you swallow something.

There was a butterfly flying around here.

Just what confidence do you need. Some water. Yes. I'm sorry. You couldn't know what is.

Why don't you get up is white or is a green.

Do you need to see it, doctor. She's wrong. Is going around the back of that.

Sounds like he's coughing up a lot all morning. I fiercly get a call the test.

We'll all have to be tested. So anyway. So did you not know that was there. I never knew this.

So, so what I'm saying is I emptied out, I emptied out the whole fridge. I took every single thing out. I put some cotton balls in and I knew there was a little bit of blockage.

But then I Googled it and then I researched it and they said, take everything out your fridge. This is at eight o'clock in the evening. I shall be watching Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Clarkson I said, I call to the two boys to lift this monstrosity of a fridge down onto the kitchen floor. Now, you'd need a monitor telescopic to do this. This is I start sweating. The windows were open. Is lovely.

I said right now we're taking the fridge right off. I have to get that out of the back because at the back of the fridge, Dennis, the suckage area, there's a little tube that goes down where I didn't notice.

Right. Right, right. So one taken the fridge down. The boys are lowering it down. It's an awful lot of weight to take everything out of the fridge. Then I had to take the grill off the back of the fridge. Then I had to get in at the tubing at the back of the fridge where I found debris, debris. And then I cleared out the piping, opened up the whole thing, put the thing back on it and put the fridge back up by about half past nine.

And then I went in and had a cup of tea and I said to myself, well, fuck me, I never knew those that little Sauchiehall and how important that is at the back. And that's what I did to protect was unabashed knowledge, to bring you every day forward to learn something new. And I know how to fix the fridge.

And he'd be able to give other people advice on their fridge.

Yeah, if I because we live in a world of the fridge is broken ring Tommy flophouses. A.C. there's a new man for Barona. Yeah. Ring this ring that you don't have to ring. What we should do is fix it yourself. If you can learn to fill your brain with new knowledge.

Yes, because I will. My kids will always know how to out of the fridge going forward. And that's what Bartok meant. Glassware and Dresden from the 50s.

Yeah. That's that's inspirational stuff. Did I have you for a second about the German philosopher. I know, didn't I fucking did it last me.

Because as I was you weren't confident and as near as I, as you said it just paused.

And I'm on the way to this podcast today. I said I'm gonna fucking say a philosopher.

You should have a new name for me.

I knew you should have practiced it and you should have give him an Irish name, sneer and laugh at me because all I read is books about Jackie Tirrell and fucking sports autobiography. So have you ever been to a lap dancing club? Uh, silence, silence, silence is my solicitor's number.

I read in the paper this morning I heard another story as well.

Just can I can we get some fresh air in here? I kind of turned the lights off.

I know you can't just come out with steak and he's asking questions. Why don't you discuss? OK, I'll rephrase the question. I don't answer. Might have lap and clubs. Discuss, discuss, come up with that.

Let me know what goes on in the.

Well, you tell me what was because you brought up know what goes on. Are they, what are they.

Well I, I think I was in one once in Germany.

And what was it like. What kind of crap was going to women and really hairy armpits.

I would never go somewhere hairy armpits anyway. No, I read a story in the paper last week about a fella that went into a lap dancing club and the next morning checked his bank accounts and he had spent 25000 euro in there. So I think and I heard another story as well, who this guy had lost 40000 euro while he was on holidays. Yeah, because he was in a lap dancing club because I think they're getting like drugs or something.

And I'll tell you what happened to me.

I was in a lap dancing to one time in Los Angeles. I had never been to a lap dancing club before. I didn't really know the crack. Other than that, it'd be skimpy women in it. And I went in and I was sitting at the bar and this young man came down to me, Blondie on one wearing kind of like it almost got like kind of like a nitrous.

It kind of like a shawl. Like a negligee.

Yeah. Like a like a slip. A slip slip. Yeah. And she said to me that music was playing in the background and she's just come down to me, you know, and she said to me, do you want a dance. I said yes. So I got off my chair and on the floor, I started dancing with her.

Yeah.

So I swear to God she said he loved us.

I was just I was going to you know, if you were at a wedding, like, poison arrow through my heart. So, no, I wouldn't I wouldn't be fair with that kind of. So this whole thing where they're getting men are getting robbed like big time now when they go in and they buy a lap dance for maybe 200 or whatever, and then a lap dance for 200 euro.

Yeah. And then they buy and then they they get their bill afterwards the next day. And there's all like bottles of Moët and most of all expensive champagne. They're like say 3000 or pop or whatever. And this year there's no getting like the bank. You authorize the money going out obviously at the time because you're.

Oh yeah, I'll buy that or either that or you gave your credit cards and all that. They could put you in by saying there's no chance this come back from it either.

The one there's exorbitant prices in these places. I have my feeling about lap dancing clubs. I think the idea of them is fantastic.

So I think that there's a lot of sexual tension in culture and you get a lot of lonely people.

You get a lot of say from a male point of view.

I'm not talking about the actuality of lap dancing clubs now, the kind of the the women who might be trapped in that industry, or are they the men who might exploit the women?

No, no, they're not illegal in Ireland or any doubt about the idea of it. So the idea of it for me is a great idea. You get people who are it's almost like a physical therapy thing where you have this loneliness on you and this desire to have. Naked contact with another human being, and you can't really walk the streets and express that because that makes women feel really uncomfortable because, you know, because if you think about it, I don't think women will ever as long as their sexual energy, I don't think women will ever feel completely safe because there is something in the actual act of sex that is it's not that it's aggressive, but there's a kind of it's a it's a kind of it's an invasion and you never take the invasion out of it.

Do you know why am I making sense here?

And you mean like if you're having sex with one, if you're having sex with a woman, one ofthe time is that when you think the woman isn't safe, like if you just met a woman and you had sex, they're not you personally. Yes. And would that make would that is that what you mean, that the woman would. No, no.

I think that as long as there's men and women, there'll always be sexual energy and sexual tension.

And that sexual tension want.

Yeah, Willerton may will mean that the tension means there will always be there something in the air.

Yeah. And maybe when that something is always in the air, women will never feel completely safe. Yeah. OK, as long as that's there and now it could.

I mean it's such a strange thing to try and talk about. I understand. OK, but anyway so yes.

If a man is walking around and he say he's he talking down the street, he doesn't have someone in his life, whatever, and it's maybe been months since he's had any type of naked physical interaction with another human being.

That's not something that can express itself on the streets because there's no safe place for it. For that to happen. There's no kind of you don't run up.

You can't be bringing that energy to another human being without their permission or anything like that.

So it's just so the idea of going to a place. Where a woman says, or maybe for gay men, but for a woman to say to this man. Look, I know what it is missing from your life and in this controlled environment, I am prepared to show you my body and the man, just as any of us are thankful for that, because I need to seize my eyes, need to and I need a Coors Light and of course, light my eyes need.

The intimacy from that me, so the idea of a lap dance club, I think theoretically is great. The actuality of them is different, the actuality is a bit crazy and stuff like that. But I think the idea's good.

Look at the way lap dancing and strip clubs. I wouldn't want my daughter working as to be lap dances, but look at the way it's adapted over the last.

America is the leader of strip clubs and lap dance, and it was there that it was evolved in the 70s.

And, you know, India, India's most of them, the Romans, the Romans, the room, the oranges, the Romans, they fought for the first strip clubs ever.

There was there was the ancient Romans. They were drinking wine and slop and beer and having the crack. They were they had strip clubs way back.

But if you think about a massive in Palestine, in the Gaza Strip, you now you now have seriously artistic, brilliant dancers with music. Great. They're very fierce. Pole dancing is now is in every town and Olympics in the Special Olympics.

It's in there are there are women going to pole dancing classes round the country because they're an amazingly fit. Yes. And there are women who are inserting poles in their bedroom and in their house all over the country just to keep Jimmy and John.

And isn't that an amazing thing? Could you imagine if you have a pole inserted in the bedroom at probably break ankles?

And we like to imagine.

But like the thing about it is, is that, yeah, I do see what you're saying to me as well. And it's I think the people who are extortionate on this are the they it's the same with the nightclub owners and that the lads and it's all in the same place.

I was talking to a woman at Connemara beyond Bally Kinealy recently, and I was talking to her about the gentleness of Connemara men.

You know, that not all of them, but some of them said there can be there can be a kind of a gentleness. And she said she's I grew up with that. And she said as a young girl in this village, she said, I felt safe. I felt safe here. There was no energy coming off the men that can present trouble to me. I think that's a that's also a nice thing. It's wonderful. I aspire to that gentleness.

Like, what was she, older children now?

But she was just like when she was like, you know, saved from what's become conscious of yourself as female. So, say, from the age of four, five upwards, I didn't mean any kind of God. I felt safe here.

That's a wonderful thing to say.

As a man, I aspire to that gentleness.

Many couples go to a strip club, by the way, as well. Many boyfriends, girlfriends, many husbands, wife goes to a strip club. It's a place of entertainment that's good music. Have a few beers. It's a night out. It's not. The C.D. said that you're talking about lads getting ripped off.

And Golway has had a chequered history with strip clubs. I mean, this town of Galway changed one of the most fantastic establishments, one of the greatest buyers Galway's ever had tailers. It was back now as a bar when it was a bar.

It was like we were in the crane recently on this podcast. But Taylor's back in the day. When you were on we were on my radio was Taylor's Opal.

Taylor's was also before us, Tommy Taylor.

So how would you describe Taylor?

Taylor's was like it was like the wardrobe in Narnia.

You just opened the door and you just disappear into a kingdom of Madison Ave drink and people are drinking at twelve o'clock on a Thursday, characters in a dark and UNOPS session starting at like three o'clock on a Tuesday and not stop until and everyone hammered by half a bar and then a fresh crowd coming in at nine to drive it until 2:00 a.m. and then the Celtic Tiger came into Ireland and then tailers was sold.

And what did they put in? Collateral Russian women. Clapperton.

Lithuanians geeky and and the one of the greatest but the greatest pubs in Galway became a place where velvet curtains closed the window to bouncers outside the door, and you weren't allowed in any amount of thongs in the wash basket.

And anyway, you weren't allowed in, as you said, Lloret, at the top of this conversation without their credit card and a wad of cash.

And now, years later, what has happened? To the velvet curtains and the bouncers outside the tongs and the tongues and the gay. Tommy, has the guy gone, gone, gone and it's back.

Egal gone.

Get your guys out of here, said the man.

It's now back. To the pope, it was for many years, but so far for many, I'm sure. Yeah.

So that's why we're going to open a chain of strip clubs around what we call a guy who you can call it gigs, gig, ace gigs, polymathic days.

There'd be no call for somebody is Ballona. Oh. What do you think of divorce?

Am in Washington. Well, I just I don't know, just it's a cultural phenomenon. I just wanted to I, I don't often think about it, but I remember, like, it's almost commonplace now, now commonplace.

But it's it's more of a cultural it's still shocking when you hear about it and sad when you hear about it.

But it's still it's not a it's like when my kids were in Golway Educate Together school, there was so my kids were from a separated family and it was amazing. There could be like six or seven other kids in the class with the same thing.

But I remember growing up. I don't think I knew anybody divorce who was divorced from Baghdad. Do you mean it was like there was one fella I knew, North Lawn, whose and he got he got a limp. Sorry.

Do it like when you're young and things affect you and you don't. Oh yeah. Yeah.

You could tell his parents that he had a limp. So it just developers just developed a limp like. Sure. He didn't have the means. Oh I don't think so.

I just got separated next year. He went lame.

He went lame. That's lame. So this notion that the body keeps score. Yeah. Like when trauma happens, it takes it out. So he went lame.

Yeah. Yeah.

So so you see, I think in Sweden it's something like 47 percent of the population get divorced.

So it would be big in somewhere like Sweden, Ireland on a it wasn't a done thing in the 70s.

It wasn't a darn thing in the 80s.

When was this even though your parents could be rawn and sclera coming back and just fly in, how many parents back there back in those days?

How many parents put up with this situation, this shit situation that we're in for the good of the family?

People don't even know the good of the family was just what. But it was the silence.

Well, we were a Catholic, more a Catholic country then. And people were, you know, you got married in the church. And I think would that not be more of the reason why? Like whereas now we're we're Catholics.

What we're sort of wishy washy, Tommy. Like divorce. Divorce is not a bad word anymore, divorce is not a bad thing anymore, divorce is allowing people to go their ways and be happy in the time we have on this planet. I mean, in my situation, my mom and dad relationship dissolved for a long, long time. But yet they still cohabited the same house. And my dad like to drink and there was no divorce. It was just we got on with things.

We got on with life. We got on with separation. There was separation in the house, but there was no divorce. There was no packing bags. And they left out that out the door, you know, so I could have.

Could you imagine if for that divorce thing happened to a family in 1983, like now imagine that. And if it happens now, I'm not saying it's easier now, but it's not as much as a massive issue or a massive thing. But, you know, I got divorced and he's gone.

You got the road. He got the red card. She's left him. He's left her.

If you think about it, I like if your parents got divorced, where would your father have gone? He couldn't he would where would he have gone in the air? There was no way to go there. I mean, moved with someone like this friend of mine from Donor County, Kerry, his parents had the most is back in the 40s.

Now, his parents, he said, had the most unbelievably violent, not physically violent, but in a kind of a verbally violent house. And he said some days it would just get too much and he'd wake up in the morning if I had to be gone.

And he began to London or Sheffield or Leeds for eight months and he'd send checks home so the family could get work over there.

Yes, send checks home.

So just because the mum, the dad weren't together, it wouldn't mean that the everybody was starving, sent checks home, and then after nine or 10 months, he just appeared one day will be kind of, I suppose, their way of keeping the marriage together, you know, by him going away also.

But I think back like if you ever read old Irish like myth or folklore, stuff like that, or even to hear people who grew up in the 20s and 30s talk, people were often reared by people who weren't their parents.

So people are often foster dogs and people were often kind of actually fostered. Yeah, I can tell I love my granny or I was rarebit me to answer stuff like that.

And in fact, if you read stuff about Cuchulain and Firda and all these people and fostering was huge. So you rarely grew up with your mother and father.

So something the size of Irish families as well up until maybe the 1930s, 1940s meant that kids had to go live with other people and stuff like that.

And so did the thing of the nuclear Irish family. That isn't something that's kind of born deep in Irish people. It's a wonderful thing, but it's not something that's kind of always been the Irish way.

The Irish way is fluent, adaptable to circumstances, you know. But I just I remember hearing that fellow's story. I got. Yes.

Just in a sense, the confidence, the confidence of the father just to say to walk out the door for nine months and and the ability of the mother to adapt in that situation, to keep the kids clothed, to keep the show on the road, to keep the vehicle moving, to get the boys to school, to get the dinner on the table, to hold her head high as she walked down the main street to hold her head high.

Holy Communion, yes, because society was a different part of Ireland in the 70s and 80s than we are now.

But divorce like divorce, it's it's I don't think I think that we're not as worried. It's not as the evil award is because.

Is it because of this against the Catholic Church, though? I don't know. I mean, you always I mean, people are God fearing for it. Could I ask you, were you separated or divorced like Tommy?

You know, I don't even I'm I've only been married once and I'm still married to that lady. OK, so my first relationship was never married. Yeah. You're going to be a rare in a family together.

You're in a family, Tommy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

OK, but I, you know, you're it's I think it's it was I know it was probably better for my older children that when they went into a classroom they weren't the only ones.

Yes. Yeah. You know, it's not one of the beauties of educate together, but I think it is more commonplace now.

Definitely not even in I would say even in a rural parish school.

Yeah, it would be not as how many people listening to this podcast are living in a difficult situation. How many people are waking up in a house and it's a shitty situation, but they're hanging in there for the good of their kids or there's financial reasons or, you know, lots, lots, lots.

When love breaks down, when love breaks down.

That's why we tell if their kids come out asking if we're free from Sprout's, that makes them laugh. Love breaks down.

It's seven o'clock in the evening. The soft rain coming in from the west seems down for the night. There's a Golden Globe when deputies the no streetlights reflected in the water, a seagull flies into the back of a truck. You see a child setting fire to a school bag, the young woman squeezes into a red leather skirt. You walk into your favorite bar and it is full of your favorite people. You catch the barman's eye and say, powers, please pass.

And you think to yourself, what a wonderful world powers. Bold character bottled. Drink responsibly, visit, drink away or dirty. I have a friend of mine, he's a Protestant. The reason I tell you that is because he told me that was a statement. So it's not a massive statement to come out, which I'm just having. That is why you can tell us. Get ready for that. I'm going to resist the window here. He was talking about Protestant communion.

How would you say I'm a friend of mine who's a Protestant where I'm not allowed to have, you know, what a sweet shahadat that's like.

We got a deal for both sides.

Please give it up. I have a friend who's a Protestant. Yes. I can hardly just walk and blurt it out.

Don't you tell me. I didn't know I had a painkiller. I have a fucking headache. A fucking no fucking around the frontal lobes here. What I want anyway. He talks about this.

He always talks about like if you're if I'm talking about stuff.

Oh, God, I hope so. I hope you don't give them too much information. No, dear.

I know I don't talk to them very sporadically.

Oh, good God. And I would keep things very vague, very vague. But he talks about Catholic guilt, something that he said that they do not know if his father.

Yeah. Yeah. He I think he makes such an insinuation about Catholic guilt rogatory. I give them the free of the Baraga.

That's what's so dear.

He said like, well, but does it exist?

Like when he said this to me, then it kind of it makes sense.

He talked about he talks about, you know, divorce and he said like guilt persons wouldn't care about any of that guilt is the Catholic for karma.

Guilt is the Catholic for karma. Let that breathe there for ten seconds.

So you just developed that into a little bit more, just developed into a little bit more of an idea, a conversation.

Hagon, I can't remember, but. Oh, where did you meet him? He's a full time of the day. By what time of the day was this that. Can I ask you more about this Protestant is his line and occupation.

What do they want to do? Where does he live? In the fuck off back to his own people?

It's like Slagle. Well, it's not for me or anyone.

I could tell you that he's not your mailman. He's his doctor. But don't you President Emile owns it.

Yeah, he's the rectory secretary there. Entity infiltrate the out.

He wasn't in the south. I wasn't d I don't want to bring him down here down south across.

I did. I met him across the border. But I don't know how the conversation came up, but I thought it was interesting afterwards. Catholic guilt. You know, we're always worried about what our neighbors think, her or Jesus, if I you know, I get worried about what and everything isn't get well, what is it?

What's Catholic guilt then?

Well, my notion of it is that if you commit a sin, whatever you view as sin to be, that your your conscience will serve a sentence until you have served your time for committing that sin. And when you're the far side of us, your conscience will say your work is done.

Move on. So say you punch someone in the face, a Protestant.

No, I'm serious. A child.

So you might feel bad about that for two or three years. That's a long time, you know. And what I would suggest is that that it's akin to the the Buddhist notion of karma that you do something wrong, then you have to the scales have to be readjusted. And for sin, the scales being readjusted is guilt, you know, so you steal something.

You don't feel guilty if you eat a cake.

Like I was a kid. Yeah, it is. No. Or feel guilty. No. You know, I'm after eating the last biscuit in the house and someone coming Christ is there.

Yeah. And he's, he's talking to the sinners. What have you done. I've murdered a woman. What do you don't know. Murdered a man. What have you done. No, I ate a bit of cake is a Madeira cake.

I don't think that's sin. No, it's not sin. It's guilt. Is there not a difference. Sinning, sinning. Larita is sinning guilty.

So sin is all encompassing. It's all spectrum.

Well if I were in the world yet, if you eat too much sweet stuff, that's their sins.

Yes, but that is so then what I'm saying is all sin are sin.

All people sin, Catholic guilt, Protestant guilt, Buddhism.

But the Protestants reckon that we suffer more from guilt and we have we have maybe heavier conscience than they have now.

We can take we can take more on board than the Protestants. Yeah, we can.

We can admit weird that dog for the long road. We are the center. Back with their 100 meter runners. We're more marathon people. I have done stuff that I feel very guilty about and I check in with myself and I am I still feeling guilty about that?

Would you make a note of it and say, I did this on the 6th?

No, I don't give yourself no big stuff like murder. And I would feel guilty about stuff and I would check in with myself every now and again. And if I'm still feeling guilty about it, it's that I haven't served the sentence yet. Do you mean I haven't completed my time, so you commit a secular crime, you get sent to jail and after you've done, you're done for nine years and now you're free.

And I think it's the same with the sense of sin and the sense of guilt.

You do something wrong, you feel bad about it. And when you stop feeling bad about it, your sentences.

And I think Irish people, I suggest, are Catholics because we are at this conversation. I think us Catholics are very good at making things better. We done something wrong and make it better and quote, I would be nicer and I'll try and be better. Like, I'm waving a lot more at people in cars now than ever before. Well, those are just nicer. I think I'm nicer since lockdown. I am smiling at people and it's great.

I love people waving at me in the car and I don't even know what I'm doing that more. I am now being a nicer person. The minute I leave that house, that common, simple things that we were where we were in lockdown and now where we are, I'm just gonna I'm just giving everything to the people. I'm just going to be as friendly as I can and nice as I can. So I have no guilty conscience. I have nothing because I just want to be nice to people, because when you're nice to people, they'll be nice to you.

And that's what the Protestants can do.

I know they can be nice to people. You're waving to people. What do you mean?

I'm waving Everson's in cars. Are you. And you're in the cars that happened in the country anyway. You no good not to everyone. Just a flick of the finger doing it to everyone. And I'm letting people out at a junction where before lockdown I wouldn't. And I'm stopping and I'm smiling.

And when you get that little smile back from the inside of a Toyota Ventus are a Korina or a Land Cruiser or a Pajero or an er three at the jail at the new Passat, which is nice when somebody smiles back to you and it's eleven o'clock in the morning and you're going down to that, you're going down to get the the meat in the bottle. What a beautiful moment that is about being nice. That is about everything. Tommy talks about not being, just being nice.

Nice goes back to well I'm nice every day but I don't understand that.

I can understand why you would acknowledge if you're letting someone out or if there's something happening on the road that you need to interact with another person.

I totally get that.

But what you're saying is you can on the stage now with the boys, what you're saying is that you're driving one way and someone's driving another and you're just waving.

Yes. They'll think you're meant. No, they're not, because since lockdown, we're a lot friendlier. It's got the whole way. It's got to the stage now where the boys in the car that Millard's in the Caribbean. Why are you doing that, Dad?

ISIS lads, lads. But just give us an idea. Me, he waved to me, but he said, do you know him? I said, that's not the point, lads. The point is it's a wave. It doesn't look lovely. It's a lovely. How are you going to do this? He said you don't know them, Dad. That's my young lads.

Oh, that has to go. That has to go away.

You know, everyone in this country and everyone knows each other.

A little smile, a little smile. I give people a smile, but now there's little wave. And to show me the wave you give, like you give us an idea. I'd wave for people in the car boat like this, but not my finger.

That's a real local one. Yeah, that's a no go. But yeah, but something is after happen and it's not, you know, just driving past each other. I will down the road. Not more like I'd give them.

Allami if you open yourself up with the windscreen of life, stop the windscreen.

All right, Oprah. Well, no, but what I've written one of my first book was called The Windscreen of Life.

I wish people spend over 17000 hours, you know, driving up some lines of driving since that twelve. Yeah, Tommy was driving with it. Yes, I was in the Mirafiori at six in the way I was sent into town to get fags and vodka when I was eight.

And he tried to tell him Manhunter and he comes up outside my house, Macnee.

The job is they bring in the fax I pulled up for.

Do you have to rehearse the first Holy Communion? Yeah. When you get Silverman, let the actual day rest. Well, when you get Silverman as Holy Communion, what?

That's what they used to give us instead of Holy Communion. They give us Silberman's to practice because you couldn't get the Holy Communion.

The school practice wasn't easy, wasn't it, in your mouth you get.

I know now children stick your tongue out in an appropriate manner to get the Holy Communion.

They give me a severance. It's a government to practice for our our rehearsal for our first wedding.

I mean, I drove and we picked him up.

She was a she's a gearstick. I up in the front, the two of us, we put the Raybans shades on. Hector was on pedal's.

I was on the way and it was oh yeah. I said you look at me.

He said, fuck your I got carried, we're going even Jesus.

My neck was seventeen thousand seventeen thousand seventy thousand hours driving a car at the windscreen of life. So the next time you're in the car, everyone listen to this podcast. Please open your world up the peripheral vision. The 360, we spent a lot of time looking in mirrors and looking in the mirror and looking in this mirror instead of saying to ourselves, look in the mirror of life that's in front of you and say, how are you, my friend?

Have a good day. I'm waving to you now.

Welcome back to the Time Hector podcast with the Richard Lewis tabulates. What do you think of the devil? I have a friend of mine's mother.

She'd be a born again Christian, but he currently has zero recently and the devil did OK.

So my friend called round to see his mother. She's a born again Christian and a kind of charismatic evangelist. And she said to him, the devil was in the garden last week, then the bottom of the garden, and he was kind of curious about it. And he said, What did he look like? And she turned to him and she said, Do you really want to know, oh, Jesus Christ.

And he said, Yeah.

And she went, he's kind of ugly looking covid in lumps. And then she said, nah, maybe it was me imagination. But if even if it was me, imagination, who do you think put it there? That's right, the devil. So I want to ask you, what do you think? I have a sense of the devil gone.

I have a sense of not the devil, not been like a person as such, but a kind of an energy that can go through a culture.

And I would characterize it as that that kind of rhythm of living, those habits that aren't good for us, that somehow seem energized, that there's people saying, you know, goodness, goodness is a vibe, there's a good vibe there, or you can get on a kind of a pattern or a rhythm of goodness.

I think I think those rhythms of badness, there's rhythms and habits and currents and flows of stuff that is just not good for people. And that's how I'd characterize the nastiness in people, not even nastiness. I think it's stuff that stops your spirit from soaring. Now, this is a date.

And I would sometimes listen to the pope and I know the pope talks about the devil. And I I wouldn't be like, I have nothing against the pope.

No, I wouldn't. I think it could be a fine man. I wouldn't have any ill will against him. No one.

Even again, immuno.

I would suggest that the this is going to sound queer to people like there are certain cultural addictions that I think are the devil, it's going to sound weird, like all the kids on mobile phones and some of the stuff that comes up, like there are suicide sites that young people can teaching you how to commit suicide.

Yeah. You know, there are there are levels of anxiety.

Insecurity and self loathing and self-doubt, that seems that you can there's a kind of a there's a place for all that online and I characterize that as the devil, that kind of just that negative. It's more than a negative energy. It's like an anti love energy that is sometimes I'd characterize that, you know, I wouldn't think of some fellow with horns or I wouldn't think of hell or I wouldn't think of by just going down the back of the garden.

Yeah, I just had that sense of there's the can there can be a badness in the culture.

And if you're looking for a name for us. You know, remember that great line from the usual suspects when Kaiser Sosi and he turns to your man who's interviewing him and he says the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people that he didn't exist. Good line, and then he was gone, so I lost my sense of it. You know, funny the way in Ireland we can change the pronunciation of the man to sort of take the evil out of it, guys.

And now for Dave Leffler, the funny is the way we have adapted the word devil over thousands of years in Ireland to a and we say, oh, he's an awful devil.

Come here. Come here. There's goodness in a little boy and he's, you know, a little devil. Come here to me. Yeah. You know, that's good. Honest. Yeah, but that's nice. But that must have that's not the devil.

Yeah.

What that devils did if you were in it, if you were at a house and there was a shot coming out of the garden. He's definitely looking out the window.

He's on the trampolines and the way he sees on the trampoline.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well it's funny that we a devil is good. Yeah. Devilment.

You could have your head between the eyes of your woman and bringing her great pleasure and she might go, all right, that's wonderful.

But if you bring her to such such places of pure physical activity that she goes, you're the devil we ever rode by the devil.

What am I? Come in for your dinner, imagine something. Yeah, like, it's funny. Irish people must have adapted the pronunciation of that to take the badness away and put it into the little devil for the loop de loops you could sit for. That would be wonderful.

I believe that this or the that ISIS or is it different for the cheesecake when he goes to the mother lost what he's not what he's a devil when he gets me into it and twists my nipples like Radio Luxembourg come in Landstar Radio. I didn't know if I was coming or going, but I was definitely coming under the devil said to be working on the devil.

The devil on my right. You're the devil and the devil. I know what you're saying, Tommy. I agree with the A.K. unshowered Jawa.

Oh, doesn't sound I know they're different.

I think. Hold it out until they get tangelo like he's the devil hasn't done. The Dow Jones is after El Diablo.

El Diablo in Spanish. Good. I like that. I'll tell you a story that sparked your conversation about devil's food.

And I'm going to turn off the lights in the podcast, like for this.

Stay with me, everybody. Stay with me. Well, let's get deep now or Jesus or the might have gone off in the henhouse.

Well, we've put the lamp to what's happening.

Tell them where it's dark. There's a shaft of light coming in through one of the curtains. And that's you're not going to believe this or not, but it's in the shape of a cross.

And it's just it's come right across the table and I can read the words and let you remember.

You wanted to know, know, know, know what's inside and with the words with the help of written across her stomach and the head. Twist the marble in the bed. Norman, Damian.

So I moved to now. Welcome back to the podcast. We turned off all the lights. I moved to the Basque Country in 1992. My girlfriend at the time, who's now my wife, was taken in a year of Erasmus. She was over there studying Spanish. I went over to a lovely name. I went over to Erasmus, formally declared a bi multilingual. I went over to see her for three weeks. And then I decided that I liked the Basque Country.

So I returned to Ireland very quickly and did a TFA course in Lisson Street over a weekend and returned a week later to Bilbao, fully qualified, fully qualified to teach English after three days. It was a one page document present and past.

It was a one page document that I produced at a agency called Bahaullah, and our Dangerman was exporting it to many years in the Basque country, half a French accent. And he goes, Show me your qualifications. I said, Lisa Street, International Academy of English. Went Wakin you start. I said, Manyana. So I was teaching English. Depner returned home. After a while. I was living with a couple of girls and failer from Ireland and I decided that I was learning, not Spanish.

So I took the leap and I took out an ad in the local newspaper, El Corail, and I wrote Chico Yalon, this Bush scandal.

So. El Al gotta get your Irish boy looking for accommodation and get your south side of the river splits. I was an area called get, you know, Abelow Espanol, Blauvelt, I put the ad in hell Corail, and then I put the phone of the editor of the agency down. And then I got a couple of phone calls about accommodation. I went to a street in a place called El Gordo, which is on the south side of Bilbao in the area of Getchell.

The bigger area I went to a street called bilberry number 50 would be a middle school.

It was going to be their head boy pretty badly the parade.

So the street was 54, B, their body B or and it was on a sloping hill.

I went to view the flat and I pressed the timber at the bottom and I went over and this girl answered all our.

Knowing this, she said, and Azealia Landesa, you the Irish, I said, yes, come up, I went to this fifth floor, knocked on the door, and there was a girl there from Zamora, a hairdresser called Ninis.

She showed me the room, the three bedroomed flat, old old furniture clean. One of the boy was there called Kepa, who was a Basque teacher in a grade school like a Basque school. She was a hairdresser. She showed me the room.

So I said, Oh, gosh, this is a fucking two story.

As I was leaving the room, I looked to the old big wardrobe and open-top.

There was a small jam jar with an eyeball, with some sort of a liquid in it. And I didn't say anything, but I'd spotted it because it was sort of protruding out. I said to Quanto s.L, said Mace, and she said that the money was that. I said, I said, that's fine, I'll take it. I moved all my stuff in a week later into this room.

That thing was still on top of the wardrobe and I took it out, took a lot and it was a sort of a liquidy vinegar smelling pungent smell on it. And I left it back up there. And then the first day I arrived in, I slept and I had a knock on the door at 6:00 in the morning and I heard all I get is aguaje.

Padilla, do you want water for the shower? And I knew do got nonaggressive. So I woke up. I don't know where I was.

Later that afternoon, Neinas sat me down in the kitchen and she said in my broken Spanish that I sort of understood. She said, I forgot to tell you. There's one thing that they most phantasms in La Casa. Now, if you fucking break that down in broken English, we have ghosts in anymore, and I went, see? And she goes, Yeah.

And she goes, No, no, no, no, not pass another no pass. And that is on whenas not by Sanader, not rank in rank. And then I said, what the fuck is she just after saying we've got a ghost in the fuckin. So I left it go about three weeks later. She told me that don't come home early one afternoon, they were having an exorcism on the floor. Of that last word, our friend, so so this is mental.

I arrived in and there was salt and candles and all sorts of things and everything happened, an undertaking to try and expel the ghost and all this. Right. I took it on board. I didn't say a word. I just went, I'm not moving. I swear to God, this is all madness. This is madness. I lived in that flat for three years, OK? Things started to happen about a year in. I'd come home and I put the four locks on the door.

I come home at one o'clock in the morning with the boys, three o'clock AM or whatever. You can stay up late in Spain and then the next day she'd come into me and she goes Park their cars.

There's a laporta abierta why did you leave the door open last night?

And I said, I didn't. I locked it all. I locked it with the three chains. So this has happened pretty regularly. About a year before I left, Kepa started seeing the ghost guy in his room. He came in in the morning. I'd having me breakfast and he said, he's at the end of the year. Who's at the end of my bed? Young young boy at the end of my bed. This is all in Spanish, right?

And I pass this off. I didn't touch anything. I didn't say anything. I just said, great, this is it. But nothing ever happened. Neinas would often say should get a tap on the shoulder when she's in the kitchen and be nobody there. Right.

This is all true. I left that flat after about three years, moved back to Ireland, and then about a year after that, I came back to visit with Depner with my girlfriend. We came back to visit in Bilbao and I got the keys of the flat because Nena's was away and there was nobody in the flat. We arrived back in a year after I was there, it was empty, nobody people were living there, there's nobody there. Depner was washing her teeth and I was washing my teeth.

And then. Didn't want to go to the toilet, and then she came back down to me and she says, what you do in the kitchen? I said, what are you out of it? She says the two taps are going at full blast in the kitchen now, full blast. I can't even turn them. I says, well, I wasn't in the kitchen. So I went up to the kitchen of the two taps were violently shaken and the water was coming out with.

I closed the taps, we closed the door in the room, and I never, ever, ever returned to be bedevilling, and I've never spoken about this before. Oh, my God, that's true. And I'm glad you turned the lights out.

So when then the thing to learn here is. If you ever live in Spain and somebody says to you when you're renting a room, the name was Phantasms in Gaza.

Well, thanks for listening, everybody, and Lecuona J. We'll see you this time next week.

Bye bye.

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