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With our viewers, it was popular.

Yeah. The girls on that show, they were laughing. They said, Oh, this guy, Donald Trump, says he's running for president, all that. They're laughing and they're making it like it's a joke. They came in and they said, What say you, Willy? I said, Tell you what, I think he's resonating with a lot of people. You could just see them like, Oh. They thought I was going to laugh and be joking. I said, Don't underestimate the power of celebrity because I was like, I'm just new to it, but man, when everybody knows who you are, it's a big advantage because... The thing about Kamala Harris, she was a vice president for three and a half years. No one knew how to say her name.

Including her.

She was the vice president.

Welcome to the Tucker Carlson Show. We bring you stories that have not been showcased anywhere Where else? And they're not censored, of course, because we're not gatekeepers. We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content at tuckercarlson. Com. Here's the episode. When they got elected whatever it was in 2020, totally by accident, I called her Kamala, which is what I thought her name was. And the White House press secretary attacked me as racist, which, okay, fine, but it really was, I would admit, it was totally accidental. And so this kid on our staff found tape of her calling herself Kamala and then Kamala. I just thought, who can't pronounce her own first name? Yeah, that's- If you were like, I'm Willie Robertson, I'm Wille Robertson. That's weird, right?

Hello, I'm Wily Robertson.

I think it's fair to settle on a pronunciation of your own first name. So one of the things I've never hunted with you before, you've become famous for bird hunting. You're an excellent shot. I just want to confirm that for people watching. It's not fake.

I've got to make my dad and brothers watch this.

It's true. No, it's true. You are. But you're not... You become famous from television. I just want to get right to it. You've written this book, Gospeller, which is not about hunting.

It's, huh, what's it about? Hunting for people. Hunting fishing for people, perhaps.

Turning darkness into light, one conversation at a time.

Yeah, that's came with this book this year. This was the one I wanted to write. I was like, before I die, I want to write this book. It's really about my faith, the faith that was passed down, the first chapters, my mom and dad's story about how they got their faith. We put out a movie last year called The Blind, which was their journey in faith, shot in the late '60s, '70s. That was a bad... He was a bad guy.

In what way?

He's just... Well, he'd call himself a he He was just a bad dude, just into everything he shouldn't have been into. He's married, he's got this young family. He's drunk all the time. He loses his job. He ends up running a bar. All hope literally was over. He had kicked us out of the home. He's a bad dad, he's a bad husband.

When he kicked you out of the home?

He kicked mom and us out of the house or out of the trailer. Really? Yeah. Yeah, The one person who didn't give up on him was my aunt, Jan, his younger sister. She'd go up to this bar he was running. Dad has a master's degree. Could have went professional. Quarterback. He played ahead of Bradshaw in college at Lousian Tech. Gifted athlete, had everything ahead of him and just pretty much throws it all away. My aunt would go up there and pass out a little Bible track. She was a very charismatic Christian, and he hated it. He was like, Stay out of here. She bragged this preacher to go preach the gospel to her brother. I write in the book, I can just imagine this conversation because the preacher is in Louisiana. The bar is in Arkansas. I'm sure it was like, Can you share the gospel with my brother? He's wayward. He probably was like, Yeah, to have him to come to church. We'll meet after. He's like, He's not coming to church. You have to go see him. Where does he do? He runs a bar. In Arkansas. Which one in town? It's not even in the state.

This guy gets in his car and drives to a bar, walks in- Where was the bar?with his Bible. It was in Junction City, Arkansas. It was rough. It was a rough spot. Yeah, that goes to that. It goes to that. It's sad. It was adversarial. The guy goes in. Phil does not want to hear. He's not even invited in there. I knew the preacher up until he passed away. He says, Your dad's sitting there. He said, He's got a pistol in his belt and a giant Budweiser. He's about half lit. The dad looks at him and says, What you selling, Preacher man? The guy sits down. Nothing happens. Phil doesn't. There's no conversion. There's no just as I am bar baptism. Phil just said, I'll keep that in mind. He leaves, and then Phil's life even goes more in the tank. The state police showed up to arrest him. He goes and lives in the woods for six months, I think. He was that guy. What were they arresting him for? He had put two people in ICU, beat him up over a bar dispute. He just takes all, lives in the woods. He says, Come on, come on.

Out there is when he got really sick. Everybody was trying to figure out where he was, but he was literally- He's got a wife kids at this point, too. Well, then they left. Mom ended up moving to Louisiana. We're pretty much like, I hope he doesn't die, but it's over. He's already kicked us out. Then he comes dragging back up into that town. He pulls up to where my mom was working. She has a new job and trying to move on with her life. She's like, call the police. Like, Oh, no. He's all here. He's living in the woods. He pulls up and he's He said, Where's that preacher? I need to talk to him. That's when Phil became a believer right there. That's the first chapter in the book.

How long did it take your mom to take him back?

She took him right back. It was amazing. I always said, if it were for dad changing his life, but also if it wasn't for mom, forgiving him and- Yeah, it's easier to change your life than to forgive someone who's abandoned. Especially when you're just saying it, yeah. Who knows? I'm sure there probably wasn't the counseling that we had. Yeah, no. But she needed help. I mean, she's got three young boys, and at the time, three. I was the youngest at the time. In the movie, I'm portrayed. I was very particular on who played me in the movie at two years old. You got to get that part right.

Oh, yeah. That's got to be a handsome toddler, wasn't it?

It was my grandson played me. My grandson played me about his great grandfather. It was awesome. That's fine. It's fun to watch that movie. It's a hard to watch. And dad didn't even want to do it. It was tough for him to go back and relive that, just pull all those. But we said dad and mom, too, both, we just said, I think this can help a lot of people. A lot of people who are in similar situations. So, yeah, they stayed together. And so the first chapter of the book is that. And so if you think about this, like 50 years ago, that happened. If that doesn't happen, this family does not stay together. If the family doesn't stay together, there's no Duck Commander. There's no Duck Commander, there's no Duck Donasty, there's no podcast. I don't know where I would be. My whole life would look completely different. And so part of the reason for us being still so excited about our faith is because we feel like we owe everything we have to our faith. Had it not been for faith, it would have been over. Marriage is over.

Who knows? Do you remember a time before your father was a Christian? I don't. Do your brothers?

They do. They They do. Everything I remember was great. He went from darkness to light. It's like Saul and Paul in the Bible. It was like this old person, and then he just turned and just went, I mean, just full blaze. He just wanted to share the gospel with everybody he knew. Because I guess he had lived, and he said, I live so bad now. I got to go help these people. So he became known. He became a known gospeler, just known for preaching the gospel to everybody.

A gospeler is someone who preaches the gospel. It is.

It's a real word. It's an old word. Have you ever heard of it? No, never. I never heard of it either. I'm writing this book. It's 2020, COVID. I was like, I want to write this book. It was about sharing your faith. My wife, who's way smarter than I am, she comes in because I couldn't figure out what to call it. She goes, Willy, I found this word. It's called gospeler. It used to be very commonplace It was not necessarily pastoral. It was just like common folk who were just known for sharing the gospel. It simply means somebody who shares the gospel with people, either publicly or personally. It didn't fall short of me that the word It was literally a dinosaur. No one's ever heard of it. But at one point in America, in Europe, this was a common word, and they were called known gospelers. I found a law. I want to say it was up in the northeast where it was like, Nobody can stop a priest or a known gospeler from preaching on the town square. It was actually in a law. That word was in a law. Amazing. That cool.

Yeah. So she found the word.

How did you grow up? Did you grow up in a world where Christianity was at the center of everything?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Number one. Number one, no doubt about it. It wasn't like, Oh, we should try to go to church. We had so many Bible studies that it just really went all week. Because what happened, once you're known for that, so people would bring people down to the house for Phil to talk to. There was the most wayward people you've heard. There was murder or something. The craziest people ever. And dad would just go. No matter who they were, he would just sit there on the couch and he'd feed them supper. And then he would jump into the Bible and just... I mean, it was Fridays, Tuesdays. Really? All the time. Yeah, all the time. And then dad started teaching Bible classes. So he would teach his Bible class on Sunday mornings. But he would just study like just crazy person. My father's never on the computer. He's never on the cell phone.

He doesn't have a cell phone? Mm-mm. How do you text him?

You don't. Just like saying that. You go find him. I call and I'm like, There's a dude. There's a dude down there near. You call him, but you got to go find him. He's in the woods. If you want to track him down, you got to go find him. Does he still hunt? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. But then dad would just read and study. He was just thirst for knowledge. He loved the knowledge, but then he loved trying to share that. That's the point of the book is turning the artist in one conversation at a time. The tagline comes from... It's funny how my business mixed with my faith. We have some new products for Deer. It's this feature where you click a button. Right at that time where it's real dark, it's getting a little dim, still legal shooting hours, and it just boom, it just goes, turns it into... It's daylight. It's crazy.

How? What is it?

It's pulling light. Whatever ambient light is, it's pulling in. It's amazing. We had this new product. I'm looking at all the marketing material and they had on there, Turned Dark into Light. When I saw that, I went, That's the tagline for my book, Turning Darkness and Light, One Conversation at a Time. Through a conversation, meaning had the guy not gone and shared with that, he was the one that actually planted the seed or shared with that, and boom, that's where it started, just that conversation. Then I watched hundreds and hundreds of other people just through a conversation lead to a life change. What I wanted to do was go through the book and go through how to do that because a lot people, they're so intimidated, they don't know what to say, and they like the idea of it, and they're like, Well, I hope somebody tells somebody about their faith or about Jesus, but it ain't me. I don't know how to do that. It's like, I don't know where to start. I don't know the Bible well enough. We just qualify ourselves for a lot of those reasons. I just tried to go through and tell stories.

I'll pull stories from the New Testament, just conversations, especially conversations, especially in the Book of Acts. That's where you're seeing the church meet with the world and just pull the conversations like, This is what they said, and this is how you could share with others.

So your family, despite living in a very rural area, you've got a duck call business and you're seriously Christian, you wind up in television, which is the opposite of all of that.

Yeah.

So the crew comes in for wherever, you're meeting with the studio executives from wherever, but not from West Monroe, Louisiana. No. How do you begin a conversation about your faith with someone like that?

Well, it was obvious. I think the faith just comes through in every... It was going to be hard to separate that, separate the faith. But I understood television enough to know that It can't just be a sermon. We live our lives.

We love our lives. We love seeing the people who run television, I have noticed from spending a lifetime there, not super receptive to the message.

They weren't as... A lot of people ask me that. We ended every show with a prayer. I almost get this weekly. It's like, I bet they didn't want that prayer. But that wasn't the case. They were like, That was cool. Good for them. Yeah, it wasn't a battle at all. It was just a good way to end the show. They knew faith was important to us. That's how we ended every show was with that prayer. But there wasn't a lot of resistance at all from But I think people, they thought that was the case or wanted to- No, I love. Maybe it's not. It really wasn't. Then once it works and once it's- Commercialize this festival. The biggest show ever in reality TV, there's like, Oh, we love that prayer. That was our idea. No, it worked. And so once we talked about how to do it. And my father, he was so funny with the show. So when I went down to tell him, I said, Dad, we got this idea of doing this television show. And he hated it. He's like, I don't want to do it.

Where did the idea come from?

I said, It's a way to get the gospel out to more people. And literally, that's what I told him. He sits in the chair and goes, I've never thought about that. He goes, You think it can? I said, I don't see why not. He gives a thumbs up and he's like, All right, we'll do the TV show. If he can get the gospel out to more people.

So you do a show like that, what are the mechanics of it? Because it seems like it would take over your life completely.

It does.

So how does it work?

It's a lot of Well, we didn't know when we started. We had no idea. I get an email. We had done another television show on the Outdoor channel. In the same way, it was my wife's idea. Cori said, Cori watched reality television.

Is she from West Monroe?

She's from West Monroe as well. She's from the city. I'm from the state. She's watching all this reality television, and she said, I'm like, Willy, I think your family needs to have a reality TV show. I'm like- That's not a compliment.

When your wife says your family needs a reality TV show that's- Well, that's what I said.

That's usually an attack. That's why I didn't realize it. I said, Cory, we're just normal people. She goes, Willy, you all ain't normal. Then so what? She was like, You guys are like... She goes, I've been with you for a long time.

Where did you meet her, by the way?

Summer camp, fifth grade. Camp Chioca. Camp Chioca, yeah. I saw her sitting on the swing. Her grandfather and father were business guys, very successful business guys. Part of their charity work, they had built this summer camp. Now that we're new believers, my parents are, that was a new thing. Now we're going to church summer camp, and we'd never been to church. We couldn't even afford it. When we would pull up to the camp, my mother had no money, and so we would have our bags packed. We're ready, and she was like, All right, here's the deal. You all stay here. Let me go see if I can trade working in the kitchen for you guys to come. If they say, Yes, you're in. If they say, No, we're going back to the house, and we're just like, Please say yes. What's funny is it was my wife's parents who were making the decision. As it turns out in life, I later married their daughter who ran the camp. It was the same camp I was hoping to get into.

That's amazing.

Every time they said yes, and so we would go, and I see this girl. She's on the swing, so I can see her to this day. She got this big giant 1980s. I'm like, Who is that girl? They said, That's Cory Howard. Her dad and them, they're the ones who run the camp. I went over and talked to her. I invited her on the Moonlight Hike, and she said yes, and we went on the Moonlight Hike in fifth grade. We didn't keep dating. We didn't get married that year, but we How old were you when you got married? 1918.

You were 19, she was 18? Correct.

I proposed her when she was 17, I was 18.

What did her dad say?

He didn't like it. I bet he didn't. He didn't like the idea. He wasn't a fan. They were very well off. They lived in a neighborhood. I pull up in this neighborhood, and I'm like, looking around, it's like, mowed grass. They mowed their grass? Sprinkler systems. I'm just like, Oh, man, this is crazy. I'm looking around and there's not one visible burn pile anywhere. I'm going like, What do these people do with their garbage? I didn't know there was another way. We're going to have to talk. I know then. We went to church, so I knew we were But he just was like, Oh, you all need to wait. You're too young. We're just dead set. We're like, No, we're getting married. When we have a meeting, and he's a smart business guy, and he's got all these papers. He's got statistics and papers and files. I'm just sitting there, white T-shirt. He's blowing me away. He's making me so mad because I'm pitching vision, man. What was your vision? What was Christianity, we're brothers. Come on, man, this is going to be great. He's like, You haven't thought about all these things in life.

Finally, he just goes, he's getting so mad. He's like, I thought he was going to hit me. He's like, Leading up on me. He said, Where exactly do you plan on living with my daughter? I said, Well, I reckon I'll pull a trailer up in the back of Phil's house and just live there for free.

That was your vision?

Not Not the answer the dude wanted to give. We'll burn our garbage in the yard like normal people do. But it worked out.

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Wait, so how long did- 32 years later, we're still married.

That's amazing.

And we're great. I mean, so her parents house and my house, literally, it's like a... I know you don't play golf. It's a pigeon wedge away from me. We were just right beside each other.

Now?

Yeah, I see him every day. Most of what I learned in business, I learned from him.

How many grandkids did you give him?

Eight. Eight so far.

You have eight?

I have eight. So he has Eight great grandchildren.

How many kids did you have with his daughter? How many kids do you have? How many kids do I have?

Six. Six. Okay. He's got to be pretty psych. It's just the way you ask.

Sorry. I asked you backwards.

Let me just start again. I have six children and eight grandchildren. Amazing. But yeah, they're great. We live there on the... We all live right there. We're just all connected and live beside each other.

How long How did it take you to win a yes from your father-in-law?

It was after that night. He wanted me to come over to their house. Cori was in college, so she wasn't even there when all this happened. I wasn't going to college. I was going to seminary. I was going to be a preacher. Cori calls and says, Dad wants you to come over. I said, No, he's going to come pick you up and take you over to their house. I said, No. She said, Why not? I said, I'll have to walk home. She goes, What do you mean? I said, Oh, it's going to go bad. They don't have a ride. I'm going to have to walk all the way back to my house. It's like seven miles. I said, No, I'm not. It's time to come over here. He comes over to where I was staying. I was living with my brother at the time. It was he and his mom and me. We were on the couch together. My mother-in-law, she was in between us. But I did. I thought, Man, I think he may punch me. I was ready. I may have three brothers, and so I was like, We just got to fight.

Let's just fight. I was like, Let's go. But then it was after that night, they said, Okay. Then I think just six months later, we got married, and we were driving to the wedding, and he said, You know what? I said what I said, and that's the way I felt, but now we're good. I literally never heard another word about it. Really? Yeah, he That was great.

It was your wife that came up the idea for Duck dynasty?

Yeah. Then I had to go tell Phil. Because originally, it was on the Outdoor channel. Yeah. What was it called? I was approached by Beneli Shotguns at Shot Show. Have you been to Shot Show? Yeah. I was approached by them right after she said that. They were like, Hey, are you guys interested in doing a reality TV show with the shotguns? I was like, Cory just said we should do a reality TV show. He goes, Well, let's have a meeting. We sat down and they said, Hey, we'll pay for production. You guys will be on the show. Thankfully, they had two guys that came in that they had just hired who they came out of reality television. He'd hired them for their in-house, all their commercials and stuff that they do. We love Banale. We love the shotgun. We was like, Yeah, and so we're going through the deals. Right at the end, Cori says, she's such a smart business person. I'm excited. I'm like, Hey, our business is going to go up. I go to Phil. I'm like, Phil. He's like, Oh, it's a terrible idea. I'm like, Dad, we'll sell more duck calls.

We'll be on the outdoor channel.

Plus free shotguns.

Plus free shotguns. I was like, Plus free other styles. I was like, This is the smoking deal. Cori says, We're going to go up to Maryland. I think that's where they're, Maryland. We're going to have this meeting. She had been reading these books, and she goes, I think they should pay off a talent fee. I'd never heard that word. I said, What is talent fee? She goes, They should pay all to be on this. I said, Cori, don't get greedy. This is a gift. They're paying for a production. For shotgun. Yeah. She's like, Well, it won't hurt to ask. I said, What? Okay, but I said, Here's the deal. When you ask if you get Any weird sense abort the mission, get out of it. Do not screw this. Because I was like, This is our big chance. You're going to ruin it by asking for too much. We go in the meeting, guys going through. He said, Okay, we'll start production here. We'll do this and that. He goes, I think we're about ready to go. Cori's like, I have one more thing. I'm like, Oh, God. She's like, We're thinking you should pay the guy's talent fee.

He was like, Oh, what were you thinking? She said, We were thinking $30,000 a piece was me for the whole season. I'm making $28,000 a year. That's my salary.

What were you doing?

That was my job. I made $28,000 at Duck Community.

But what was your job? At the Duck Call Company.

That was my whole yearly job. I made 28,000. She just asked for 30 to do this thing, which would essentially double my pay. When she said 30, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, that's way too much. The guy literally It just goes, Yeah, okay, no problem. I'm like, Crap, we should have said 50. We should have said 50. She said 30. Here's what CEO I am. We were excited, so we go back to the house. I go back down to dad's house. Jason's there, we're all in the house, and they're waiting to hear what happened with the TV show. I walk in, I'm like, Well, boys, we were fixing to do us a television show on the Outdoor channel. And guess what else I got us? $30,000 a week. I act like it was my idea. Everybody was just like, We did it. It's over. We finally figured it out. We got free shotgun guns. We doubled our pay. We have to do a TV show. We have no idea what we're doing. We launched into that show.

What year was that?

This would have been probably '08, somewhere in '08. We launched into the show, we were able to cut our teeth. We'd been making DVDs hunting videos. Now we go on this TV. These boys from reality TV were there. We really learned how to do television, how to do what was going to become ultimately Doug Nasty. It was a different show. Half of it was just hardcore guns and all that good. They were showing their products. But the other half was just silly reality stuff that we just came up. I focused on that. My brother and dad and They did the Hardcore Honey, and then I was over there doing the, Hey, we could show this, and we could do this wild crazy stuff we were doing. The show was super popular in that world. Everybody loved it. We won awards, and our sales went up. More people were buying duck calls and our T-shirt. It was like, Hey, we did it, man. I had to sell. Part of the deal was I had to sell half the advertiser. Because then that one, you get your commercial, then you have to go sell them. But Now he would sell half, and I sold half of them.

It was so funny. It was hard selling, but ultimately it was going to be duck nice. It was hard selling an ad for this thing. I ended up selling all mine. I would sell my ads, and that was part of the deal I had to do. Then we get an email. I get a generic email, information at Doug Commander. There's no time how many of these just never even get looked at. Of course. It's a dude. He said, I'm a producer in Los I've watched the show on Outdoor channel. He saw that show. I think you guys have a really big show. Give me a call. Left his number. Secretary comes in and says, I got this email. Somebody's sitting there from Los Angeles. She said, Do you want me to throw it away or do you want me to respond? I looked at it and I said, I'll respond. I respond, Hey, this is Willy. What are you thinking? I get on the call with him and, man, he's a fast talker. He's LA He's like, William, this is going to be the biggest show. I'm telling you, I've got something that's big. You have a really big show.

We got to take this thing bigger. This is on cable. I'm thinking, this guy's full of crap. I said, Do you think so? He said, Willy, you will not be able to walk down the street without everybody recognizing who you are. I was like, God, this guy. He was laying it on thick. I said, So what do we need to do if we were to do that? He said, We'll make a scissor reel. Now, fortunately, we had just done three seasons of this show. So we took three minutes, and then he started pitching around the networks. And there was a lot of interest. You got to remember, this is the time Louisiana, the tax credits were big. Before Georgia, Louisiana was the hotbed. And there was tons of shows. I mean, our state is like, there's so much culture and just fun people in our state anyway. You had Billy the Exterminator, Swamp People, Sons of Guns. All these are Louisiana show, Bayou Billionaires. There's tons of shows been shot there. If you had anything in Louisiana, because they knew they could go, say, 40% in the state. He saw it, and we were on the outdoor channel, he saw it.

Then I know where it comes A&E. I didn't really know anything about A&E. I didn't watch, didn't even know what it was. He said, A&E is I'm interested in two pilots. I'm like, What does that mean? He says, Well, if they pick it up, that's where we want to be. It's a good mixed audience, like men and women watch A&E, big company, combined with History channel, ABC, Disney, all this, and ESPN. And so he said, The problem is if they pass on his dad, because then everybody just said, Oh, they passed on. And so we shot two pilots for A, and they had no idea what we doing. And then the film crew got giant. They sent down this huge crew, and we had no idea. We just went into it and I didn't really know what we were doing. And didn't know if it was good, and I didn't know. And so what was interesting was they didn't know what exactly they were getting. So if you just looked at a picture of us, you'd be like, I think they thought we grunted and like, all right, whatever. Couldn't speak English. They didn't think it was going to be danger.

Alligators are coming off the water. They come down and so, Hey, Niko. We shot the bio, we sent it off. They called and were like, Well, we have good news and bad news. The bad news is this is not the show we were ordering at all. We were all shocked. We're like, Uh-oh. They said, The good news is it's way better than what we thought we were getting. They were like, This is a family show. Because nobody had put us in any category of family show, even though we were a family. But it was like, they just didn't... I think they thought like, We're going to laugh at these, but these are... They just totally didn't.

It was a Honey Boo Boo thing.

They did, right. They didn't realize that Because some of their ideas, initially, it was like, The women folk are out getting the possums and skinning them out. My wife's like, These women folk, we don't even go in the But they saw, and then there was this comedy, this real... Because the first show we did on Outdoor channel wasn't really funny. And once we saw this comedic thing come out, that was what really, I think, set it apart. It's funny. It's something you can laugh. It's a funny show.

What's the process of filming it?

Well...

You said your house got descended on by a sworn of producers It was, yeah.

We shot in all our houses, especially mine. Especially my house was the... Because the show was... We didn't know any of this going in because we didn't know what we were doing, but it was shot through my eyes. You would have Willy's dad, Willy's wife. As a viewer, you're watching it through my eyes. I was supposed to be the normal guy. I'm the normal person. Then everybody else is crazy. Chaos is happening, and to some extent, they are crazy. Some people, they're just like themselves. My father just... Dad never understood what exactly we were doing. He never understood the show. He never liked it. He never understood it. He told me early on, he was like, Well, tell him we need more preaching on this show. I said, Dad, there's another Robertson family with a show like that. It's the 700. We're not that show. This is not Are you related to them, by the way? He was like, I'm not. No, I'm not. Not that they haven't asked me for money, so I guess I'm not. Everybody related to me has asked me for money.

You're like an NBA player.

Yeah, he never quite understood the show. My dad got to this one. My dad got so mad one time. When we were saying things, he just didn't understand. He thought it was so goofy and we were just being stupid. We sit down. This is my favorite That's the thing that ever happened to Doug Nasty that never got shown. We had this dinner scene every time. We're on episode 80. The part of TV is you got these kids, they come in from LA, they're 25 years old, and they're telling you what to do. You want to go, you don't look right. It's weird when you become a CEO of your company and you're doing all this, now you're listening to people you don't know and they're telling you what to do. I think my dad had gotten past the point of that at this I meant pretty quickly. We're setting all the table up and we're just sitting there. We've done this a thousand times. Jib's on the table and so on. Okay, everybody ready? It's a little young producer is like, Okay, Mr. Phil, your pray, action. We bow our heads. Phil said, Father, I pray for these bunch of heathens from Los Angeles, California, with their latte coffees and their filthy language.

I pray you don't burn them all in hell for their sinfulness. Amen. We were laughing so hard because none of us knew that was coming. None of us realized. We all look up and we're just like, Look at what I go, What was that? This young producer, he never missed a beat. He was like, Thank you, Mr. Phil. Now, can we do another prayer that we could actually put on television?

That never air.

Never air. It was so funny. Yeah, dad didn't quite understand the way they were doing.

But I mean, these cameras are in your house for what? Months?

They are, but you know Well, it was like walking into here. Yeah. We're filming in here. That's a good point. Obviously.

We're in a pheasant camp in South Dakota.

We are in a pheasant camp. I was a little worried, too, about that. I thought we It was a bad idea. We stayed up too late last night. That's true. We were telling stories. It was so fun. It was true. I'm glad we did. We get up this morning, we go shoot tons of birds. Quite a few birds. Walked around. Then we go, I think I ate two pounds of meatloaf.

At least.

Yeah. At least I ate that? No, I did. Okay, you did as well. I didn't look at your plate.

Yeah, a lot.

I thought, That's not a good recipe for doing a long podcast.

I was like, not at in the afternoon after hunting in a big place.

Oh, man. That was part of my demands, though, because I've heard recently about people in their podcast and demands and what they're doing.

Contract writers, yeah.

I said, I demand we have to fly to another state shoot birds that morning. This should be every podcast.

It was literally in the contract that you signed with us where you demanded lemon squares after. I thought, That's a little much.

No, I said, Let's just go. We have to go find somewhere to... Actually, I'm going to say this was your idea, and so thank you. It was my idea. I was going to go to Maine.

Yeah, but we don't have any pheasants in Maine.

No, this was a better idea. Trust me. This was a way better idea.

If you could, I don't know how many birds we shot this morning, but if you could shoot Two grouse a day in Maine, you're the best grouse hunter in Maine. Really?

You're a good shot, too. I'm telling your audience. I would hope so. I'm telling your audience you're a good shot. I wasn't surprised. I knew you hunted a lot.

I'm not half as good as I should be after all the I've had, I'll tell you that. But no, it's actually I missed a bird. Bird got too aggressive with me and it intimidated me. I always think when you're bird hunting, you're the pursuer, you're the aggressor, you're the predator. When the bird turns it around and tries to fly up your nose, I freeze and miss the bird every time. Wow.

You had the gun.

Because it's unnatural.

I was here a month ago doing this pheasant hunting. I didn't grow up pheasant hunting, so we were poor. I have a pheasant coming. He literally is coming at my face. I did know what to do. I took this shot and I went back like I was going to hit it like a baseball bat. If I had a little more cojones, I would have... Because the guy said, You should have done it. It was that close. It was that close. I think he'd been hit. He's coming down and he's like… I'm like, he was just so close. There's a picture and you see me like this. But then you just go, right. Then I thought, why didn't I… Can you imagine the presence of mine? That's what separates the most to that one, to just grab that sucker out of the air.

It would have been-That's an Aaron Rodgers move.

I blew it. And then one day, now I'm going to schedule months of pheasant hunting. Do I get that same scenario to happen again?

I watched my father get hit right in the chest on a driven peg shoot for pheasant when I was a kid, and it knocked him right down. He was turning, talking to someone, and the pheasant just came in and hit him right. It was just, bam, and he's a big man.

Did you grow up pheasant hunting? Yeah. Oh, you did? Oh, yeah.

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You were middle class, too. Oh, yeah. How did you get off on McDonald's to go work? I don't know. You did your I've come a long way just bootstrapping it.

What was it like to go from being maybe locally famous to nationally famous?

Yeah, night and day. Man, I'm so appreciative. It was like we did just enough to get comfortable enough to figure out what it is that you're doing. I love the progression. I think zero to... Just like nothing to something. But it was just enough. We knew just enough TV. Then we had done some stuff to where... If we went in Bass Pro shop, it was like, There's duck commander guys. But just enough. But then once we hit the really national spotlight, especially to the level our show was, it was crazy. It was just crazy. It was not good for you? No. It wasn't good. No. In many ways, business It's not because business went crazy. Trying to do everything because you're still trying to. You have a business. You're trying to run your business. Then ours was really unique because the nature of the show looked like we were goof off or everybody in the... Well, then I'm getting 50,000 orders. Well, we can't fill them. Then I got people emailing me, I just saw you were goof off. I just watched the show. It was like, That's really what Go build some more duck calls.

Then, yeah, I had to go do a video going, Hey, guys, look, Willy from Duck Nasty. We really are working. It's not everything you see on the TV show. It's what exactly happened that day, exactly that day. It was crazy. The first holidays, we crashed our computer, I think three times. It was so bad because they ordered their product, so we got their money, and then it crashed, but we didn't know what they We have your money. We don't know what you do.

What'd you do?

Just try to put out saying, Hey, call us. They'd call and be like, I didn't get my order. We're like, Why don't you tell us what you ordered? Well, just generalize whatever you think. Just spitball it. We'll get as close as we can. We're just trying to ship stuff. People are like, Those are good problems to have. I'm like, No, they're not. They're terrible problems to have. Just really overwhelmed. Just wasn't ready. To think that when we did this show or have this meeting and my wife, Cori, says, Do you think we should order more duck calls? I said, No, nobody's going to order a duck call. Even if you like the show, why would you need a duck call? I mean, if you're not a duck hunter, what do you... Was I wrong?

Really? People were buying decorative duck calls?

People are just buying any duck call. They just wanted that. What do they do?

Unless you have a duck.

They're on a shelf. They wanted a piece of the show, and that was the piece they wanted.

How many duck calls did you sell?

Oh, man, like a million and a half or something crazy.Duck calls?Yeah. The year before, we'd done 50,000. So 50,000 to 1.5 million. That's crazy. It's insane. We were working 24 hours a day. I had crews. I had everybody who could possibly...

How much child labor?

Not much child labor, except for ours. We made ours work.

What What does your kids think of the whole thing?

I think that's your big fear. I mean, your fear is how is it going to play with them? I always say this, in life, I've been able to do a lot of things. Most of the things my kids are going to do or have done, I've already done. I'm going to college, I have children, get married, move. The only thing I had zero experience with was being famous at a young age. I understood it at 40 because I was 40 when the show came out. But being 16, I had no idea. Also, you've got the beginning of social media, too. That's new as well. I think they probably struggled with some of it and certainly some aspects of it understood the good of it and figured out a way how to use it, use what it for the good and then ditch the stuff that was-So they're not mad about it now? No, they're not.

How many are married?

Four, five. Five?

How do you get your kids to get Married so young, yeah.

I don't know. I didn't encourage it. You didn't? Well, that was the day I told you about Cori's parents. Her dad's mad, You're too young. This is what made him mad. I said, How old were you all? 1918, the same age. I was like, You're the same age we were when we got married. It was interesting because he couldn't say, Oh, we waited. But no, they wanted to get They got around the same age and they got married as well. But it's not like I said, Here's how we do it around these parts. Not at all. I don't know. You find the right one and then make a commitment and go. It's pretty great. Yeah, it really is great. But it's great because then you're young. I got eight grandkids. I'm a young grandparent. It's fine when you're younger.

How long did the show go?

Five years, 130 episodes.

Wow. Why'd they end it?

There were a lot of reasons. I think, one, it gets more expensive. It just keeps getting more expensive. Everything goes up.

It's like-Your fees go up.

Everything goes up. Not just ours, everybody. Production, everybody's going, Hey, if this keeps generating income. I'm assuming, I think it's probably like a baseball player. You're paying a guy $10 million at first base, he hits 25 home runs. We could pay a guy five or a thousand. Maybe we hit 12 home runs. Good enough. We'll save them. I'm sure they were like, We could make other shows. Some of it just played out. You just run out of it. What are we doing? It's like you have more kids and stuff. It's like you've done so many. I mean, 130 episodes with two story lines is 260 stories. That's a lot of stories. We were certainly ready. We were ready for a break. It was a lot A lot of work, man. I mean, the first year, man, we filmed 10 months that year. Yeah, this is not some couple of month deal. This is not like- How many days a week? The first year, we did six days a week, and we did even some Sunday, Sunday afternoons. Just getting it, man.

We were just... That's crazy. It was hard. For 10 months, six days a week?

It was hard. It was a lot. But we were just At that point, we're like, figure it out. Then it became so popular. It must have gotten close. Because they wanted more evidence. They were like, We need more, we need more, we need more. So it was like, Keep making them, keep making them. Finally, we're like, time out, renegotiate. So part of that, we went to Monday through Thursday schedule. It gives us a day off, at least a day to go to the doctor, to go to stuff you need to do. Because it's not like you worked every day, but you're on this schedule for that long. So some days you may not be You may not be on that afternoon. But you won't know until it comes out on the schedule where you're at.

Did you ever feel misrepresented by the show?

No, because I played a part. I had a part that I played on the show, and it was consistent. It just kept me... It was authentic. It was like, I'm the CEO, I'm the head guy. I think in order to make some of it work, you had to have a A bad guy. It's where comedy comes from. You think about the stories you think about in school or in church growing up. What are the funniest things? It's when you're going to get in trouble, right? Of course. It's like, Oh, it's so funny. You can't stop laughing. Some of that was like that. Let them do stuff. Then I'd be like, This is so stupid. Because it was stupid. For my role in it, Then I was also the guy that narrated you through the show, so I had to keep you up on what was going on because people get confused. If you get confused and if you can't figure a show out, you'll just change the channel. Of course. Because it makes you feel dumb. You're like, Oh, I can't watch this because I can't figure it out.

Did you watch the shows?

We did. I never liked watching, really myself, not like watching speeches or other But we watched that one together because half of the show, I never knew what happened because it wasn't the parts I was in. It'd be like, Meanwhile, down at the river. I didn't see that stuff. It was hilarious. I'd been watching it going, This is so funny because I didn't know what it was. I was watching it with everybody else in the world. It was so funny. I would get so tickled at some of the stuff they would do. We'd watch it together. My family would all get together, and the kids were younger, so it was cool for them to be able to see themselves on TV.

How were they treated at school because of it?

Different. I mean, everybody's treated different, but they were It was probably good and bad. They didn't go to school as much as... They were out of school a lot. We had a teacher there on set just because it was a lot of days. They just had to do a lot of the school. Sadie did a ton of school from the house just because that's what she had to do. But they were in a Christian school and they were pretty lenient. I mean, not on the grades, they were just lenient on they let them play sports, and they could still participate and stuff like that, even though they were doing school from afar.

What year did it end, the show?

12 to 17, maybe.

It would have to end at I mean, at some point, you're going to run into the political problem, right? A show like that.

Yeah. When you say political problem.

Well, I mean, I don't know. You live in Louisiana, you run a hunting-related company and you're Christian. You're probably going to reach a different political conclusion. You're probably going to be pro-Trump. I mean, just judging by all that.

That is true. Yeah, there was Trump. Yeah, most of the show was President Obama. That was... Yeah. He was the President. Yeah, Trump was right there.

Did you dress it on the show? I don't remember that, Trump.

No, we didn't. Because it wasn't really reality like that. You didn't see stuff from the... I remember we would be filming at a grocery store. We'd have to turn the magazines around because we would be on the cover of the magazine. When we were filming the show around, they'd be like, Hey.

It's two fourth wall coming down.

Yeah, it was a little But yeah, Trump was... No, that was right when Trump... I stick my toe in the water a little bit on that one.

On the air, you did?

No, just in life. Yeah, just with Trump.

Well, yeah. I mean, it's a different world now, though, right?

I Well, in my mind, I was a little naive. I just thought, This is cool. I like Trump. When I first heard about it, I thought, Oh, that's what we need. We need a business guy. We got to get away with these politicians. We need a That's exactly who we need. He had a reality TV show, so I was like, Hey, he's like, Yeah. I meet him. You probably never heard the story. First I met him, I was in Oklahoma City. My son was speaking at something. I went to hear him speak. We had been elk hunting, not my son, but me and a buddy. We're elk hunting, and the dude has a plane. I Hey, can we stop in here? My son's given a speech. Yeah, cool. So we go in there and see him. We're at lunch, and this guy said, Hey, guess who's in town? I said, Who? He said, Trump. He's doing one of his rallies. This is back '15. He's doing these right. He was at the Oklahoma State Fair. I was like, Oh, we got to go. We got to go. This is awesome. I had just met Don Jr.

Who's a hunter. That's how we met each other. We just met and talked. I e-mailed him or texted him and just said, Hey, your dad's doing this rally. I was going to go check it out. He's like, Cool, I'll set it up. I remember I got a police officer because I was like, There's no way I can go to this Oklahoma State. I'm going to get mobbed at this place. I may be more recognizable than Donald Trump in Oklahoma City in 2015. I show up, I have this cop with me. I get there's an RV in the back. It's like a outdoor... There's a giant crowd. It's an outdoor thing. There's an RV. I get on this RV, me and my buddies, and my cop friend. There's these other people in there. There's cater person. There's a few people. This is a funny story. There's a dude on there, and he comes up to me. He's got an earpiece, but he's got beach shorts. I don't know who is this guy. He said, Can I get a picture? I said, Yeah. I said, What do you do? Because I didn't know who worked for Trump.

Trump's not there yet. He goes, I do all stuff. He said, Do you want to see my gun? Now, you've been around enough. Has any security person ever asked you, Do you want to see my gun? No. That's not No, it's not a thing. I'm looking at this cat going, What in the world? I take a picture and Cory Lewandowski gets on the bus. He goes, If you ain't with Willy, get off the bus. So these people started getting off the That's right. Here comes the whole entourage. And Trump gets on. The first time I met him, he's like, Willy, do you see the crowd is huge? He goes, Even for you, it's huge, right? I mean, this is a huge crowd for somebody like you. I'm like, My buddies are just like, this is the funniest thing ever. I look back on the... You guys have a story of this story. I look back, that dude who said he had a gun is talking to Trump. He didn't get off the bus. He's got his book or something. I could see, like Trump does... He just looks. That's back when he had those giant security guards.

He wasn't the President. He used to have those 6'9 guys. So Trump just gives us a look. There's a look here. They come to me and go, Is that dude with you? I said, No, he's not with me. I said, And he said he had a gun. And when I said that, they grabbed this guy by the back and just threw him off the bus. And Trump said, These spies are everywhere. And so I was like, and they're all looking. I could tell me. And I looked up and I What operation you're running here within that really made it bad? Because then I'm making fun of their security. But it was a true story like this dude.

Who was he?

Thankfully, I had the cop. It was a detective from Oklahoma City. A week later, he calls me. He says, Willy, he said, I found out about that guy. He brought the Porta Potty's in to the fair. He tells the fair director, Anything else I can help you with, I'll do. They start putting him to work. He has an earpiece because they're telling him his whole thing was he wanted to get Trump sign his book. He did the whole thing. He goes, he didn't even know you were going to be there. You were a bonus. He was excited. He got the picture of me. Isn't that wild? That's amazing. I'm on the bus. So Trump's fixing to go speak. Well, when I went to this deal, my wife, I said, Look, Trump's speaking. We're going to go over and check it out. She He was, Willy, do not get on that stage until I said, Don't worry, I'm out of this. I'm not getting involved. Bobby Gendell was running. He was a friend of mine. I was like, No, I ain't doing any of that stuff. And so Trump Before he gets off the phone, he goes, Willy, did you want to get up and say anything to the crowd?

I said, No, it was Trump. I'm good, man. I'm good. You go ahead. But I thought, these politicians. But I thought, Well, he's not a politician, so maybe he won't do it. I go out there, talk, and I'm like, he gets on the stage. I thought if he's going to do it, he's going to do it right off the bat. There's a stairwell. I'm hiding in this because I don't really want to be seen at this point. Somebody would be like, There's William Robertson. I'm like, No, I look like him. I'm leaning in the stairwell, and I'm thinking right off the bat, he's going to go like, Hey, guess who's here? Nothing. Trump just goes into a speech. He's China, He's 30 minutes deep. By this time, we're laughing. We're like, This is the funnest thing ever. I never dreamed it'd be the first day. I was like, This is cool to see. And Trump, 30 minutes deep, he just stops. He looks around and goes, Where's Willy? And my heart stopped. I went, Oh, my gosh. Please tell me he knows another guy named Willy at the Oklahoma State Fair. He just starts walking on the street.

He goes, Where the hell is Willy at? Where's he at? Nobody knows who he's talking about. Everybody's going, Who's Willy? My buddy's going, Willy, you got to go up there. I said, I can't. I can't go up there. I'm not prepared to go up on the stage. He's like, He's calling for you on the stage. I pop up on the stage where everybody goes crazy. It was like, Oh, my gosh. I walked over, I was like, I'm waiting to the crowd. I shook his hand and said, Hey, good job, Mr. Trump. Kill it, man. It's awesome. I go to pull away. He doesn't let go of my hand. He just holds it. I'm like- You're in the Trump trap. I'm going, Uh-oh. He's holding it and goes, Hey, hey, hey. He goes, Hey, I got something. He said, Do you all know who this is? Everybody goes, This is the biggest television star in America. Everybody's gone crazy. He said, This is your Willy Robert, duck down. I'm saying, Yeah. He said, I got one question for Willy. I was like, Yeah. And I'm like, Oh, please. He goes, Do you love Trump? And just hands me the microphone.

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Tucker, my brain is going so fast. I'm like, because here's the situation. We've got 10,000 people here. They're all there to see him. They're all there to see me. Now, he's asked me this super awkward question. I've already endorsed Bobby Jindal. I'm like, What am I supposed to do? I lean up to the mic and I go, Yeah. Yeah, I do like me some Trump. Everybody cheers. I said, And Trump's behind me with his hands on my shoulder. He's ready to like me. I say the wrong things, so it took me away. I said, Here's the deal. Me and Mr. Trump have three things in common. We both had successful television shows. We both were successful at business, and we both married people that look way better than we do. Thank you, Oklahoma City. I walk off to the deal, and I'm still just literally shaking from the whole experience. I get in the stairway and my buddy's going, Oh, my gosh, I can't believe that just happened. My phone just immediately starts going crazy, just buzzing, buzzing. I'm looking at it and I'm like, Oh, no. What have I done? What have I started now?

It's all my buddy's going, Oh, my gosh, we just saw you on TV. Oh, my God, you're on TV. When I'm seeing a screenshot, Trump's behind me with a sign, and he's behind me like this. Then there's my wife's, and I went, Oh, no. She said, Did you just endorse Donald Trump for president? I just screenshot the picture with Trump. I said to her and I said, No, why would you say that? She was like, Do not get on stage. And there I am on the stage. The next day, I got in an Uber car in Oklahoma City to go to the airport. I'm sitting right beside this driver, little old guy. He looks at me, goes, What did you, fellows, do last night? I said, We went to the Oklahoma State Fair. He goes, So did I. He goes, I went to see Donald Trump. I said, Did you? He goes, He's going to be the next president of the United States. I said, You think so? He said, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We believe in him. He's going to be the president. I said, Do you see that dude that got up in the middle of the speech?

I'm just far from his face. He He goes, You know who that was? Willie Robertson from Duck dynasty. He flew in just to endure Donald Trump for President. I said, Really? He goes, Oh, yeah. He's a huge fan of Mr. Trump. Yeah, he's a big television guy. I'm I'm, and I said, Sir, do you know who I am? He looks at me, goes, No idea. I said, I'm that dude. I was on the stage, and I thought he was going to freak out. He goes, You had a different bandana on. I said, I did have a different bandana guy. He goes, Yeah, I didn't recognize you with that other bandana on. That's how I met him.

Have you ever met him again?

I have, yeah. I saw him a couple more times. When Don Jr. Came to the house and hunted, that one we set up, we set up Phil. Well, Phil made me so mad, my dad. So, dad, I go. So Don Jr. Is going to come duck out with He goes, I'm coming down. Let's duck out. It's perfect. We set it up. Well, I'm going to Mexico for my anniversary. Four days. Four days I'm in Mexico. I go to Mexico. And your phones are all jacked up down there. It's like numbers come in. I'm leaving the Mexico airport, coming to America. I get this call, but it doesn't say who it is. I answer it. This dude is talking so fast. I'm like, he is nowhere within a thousand miles of where I live in the south. It was a northern accent. I'm like, oh, slow down. Who is this? He goes, It's Don Jr. I said, All right, what's up? I said, We on, huh, Don? He goes, I don't know if I can come. I don't know. We got to figure out. I said, Oh, what happened? He was like, Because of what your dad did.

I'm like, I've been gone for four days. I'm like, Four days? Who has he offended? What has he done? I can't understand this about my He lives on the end of a dead-end street, does not have a cell phone, does not have a computer. But somehow he can get messages out all over the world, instant. It's amazing how he can do this. I'm like, What did he do? He said, He endorsed Ted Cruz. I said, No. I was like, Where did that come from? He goes, There's commercials. I said, There's commercials? In four days, he has met Ted Cruz, and he has endorsed Ted Cruz. There's He goes, Yes, they're playing right now. I pull up the commercial, fills in the duck blind. They've all got a faceband on Ted Cruz. He's got this faceband. He doesn't look like he's in play. He's like, He looks scared of dad. Everyone's got shoes in their back, spits come out of their mouth, and then there's Ted Cruz. I could do this. I have a face paint. Phil, the guy, he goes, We're voting for Ted Cruz. He's a brother in Christ. We're all voting for him.

It insinuates like we're all. The whole Duckdisey crew is voting for him. I'm not there. Obviously, I'm in Mexico. I went, Oh, my gosh. I call the house. Mom answers the phone. I said, Mom, where's Phil? He's in the woods. I said, Well, crap. I got to talk to him. She goes, Hey, you're going to try to find him. She goes, What's wrong with you? I said, He just made a commercial with Ted Cruz. These are things you have to tell me. You know what I'm saying? You have to let me in on. She goes, Oh, no. He knew he was going to be mad over that. He knew you liked Trump. But you know, Ted Cruz showed up with a bunch of TV cameras, and I don't know. That next thing I know. I said, Well, Mom, he said we're all voting for him. We're not all voting. She goes, No, no, no. He didn't mean all you boys. He meant all the Christians. I said, Mom, I'm a Christian. Well, you know what I mean. Okay, so we set up. So Don Jr. Finally, he's like, All right. Because he was like, I'm not coming down there if you're endorsed it.

It was awkward. So I said, Oh, we're going to set up that good. So we're going to burn him on this one. Don Jr. Comes down, duck hunts. And he lights out, shooting shots. Oh, yeah. I knew it. So he's doing well now. So dad's blown away. That's good.

What a good shot Don is. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So I reached out to Hannity. I said, Hannity. I said, Put me and Phil on the show. I'm backing Trump. He's backing Cruise, apparently. I said, I'm going to set that sucker up. We get on the show. Dad and I are going after it. I said, Hang I said, I got one question to ask Phil since we're on this show. I said, Phil recently went duck hunting with Ted Cruise, and he also went hunting with Trump. I just said Trump. I didn't say Doug. I just said Trump. I said, Dad, who exactly is the better hunter Phil said, Ain't a doubt about it. That cat from New York can shoot, son. I got him saying that Cruz wasn't a good duck hunter because I asked dad, he said, Oh, yeah, he couldn't hit the broadside of a bar. Finally, My crew dropped out, thank goodness. Then Phil came on board.

Has he been on board ever since?

He has been.

I mean, is there anyone in the world that... I mean, I think things have changed since then, of course. But the world that you live in is probably pretty much 100% Trump at this point.

Yeah, I mean, down there. Yeah. I mean, I think it's... Well, now it is for sure.

Did you have a lot of friends voting Kamala Harris?

Yeah. I mean, well, just because I know a lot of people outside of Louisiana. No, I mean in Louisiana. Production. Yeah, I'm a TV friend. I mean, yeah, I've done tons of TV. I mean, so, yeah, I've got friends all over who were We had great debates, but it's the way it should be. We debate, we love each other, we're friends. I can certainly look at Trump and call them like, That doesn't make sense, or, That's not how I feel, or, That's not what I would say, or, That's ugly, or, That's uncound, or whatever it is. This year, I was staying out of it. I really was because of the book. Because when I wrote this book and I said, I don't want to get pulled. I want this message to come out. I want the mess of the gospel. I don't want it to get gummed up with it. I understand. Because I was the first speaker in the 2016 Convention. I was the first.

You were?

You don't remember? No. That powerful message that I gave. Golly, Tucker, where were you?

I think I was just in a cloud of euphoria.

I was the first speaker. Now, you got to remember '16. When I went out there, they were like, All right, look, we don't know how this is going to go. Remember because they were fighting, they were They didn't know whether they were going to walk off. Oh, yeah. They were like, Good luck, Willy, because I was the first guy out. I was the first guy on the stage. Don Jr called in. He said, Hey, my father wants you to speak at the convention. I was gathering my to say no, because I was just going to be like... Because in my mind, I thought it was like 45 minutes. I was like, I don't have 45 minutes in me on politics. I'm going, and I said, Let me check my schedule. That's what I said. Let me check my schedule. He goes, Okay, well, check your schedule, and they'll get back with you. The next day, someone calls, some lady calls and says, Hey, so we've got you scheduled. You're the first speaker. I'm fixing to tell her, I didn't say yes. She goes, You're the first one up. You go for three minutes. I went, Three minutes?

That's a commercial, but, Yeah, of course, I'll do three minutes. I was the first speaker in the 16th.

What'd you say?

I can't even remember. I mean, it was nothing.

It was like, I really don't- Did you think he was going to win that year?

I did.

Did you think he was going to win this year?

I did.

Why?

Well, I thought he had a really good... I mean, I was a little... I I called it at 8:33 Central Time that night. When I saw Virginia, North Carolina, I said, It's over. Virginia was close. I was like, It's over. I wasn't sure about North Carolina. That was the only state that confuses me sometimes. But Virginia, I think it was winning. Early on, I was like, Oh. I told my family, I texted my friend, I said, Trump wins. It's over. But yeah, I had a good sense about it. It felt like it did in '16. It felt like... I was just looking at the culture and looking at what people were saying. I was like, he's got a lot of people that are... Because it wasn't as weird as it was before. That was cool. It was like you weren't ostracized as much. I mean, '16, people did not like him in '20. Oh, my gosh. But you had that COVID, I mean, the whole COVID. I said that year, I was like, Hey, where are we at that year? Somebody asked me who I thought was going to be. I said, Oh, Trump. I said, Trump's got this.

There's no way he can lose. The economy's strong. We're safe. We're not in a war. I said, That's it. That's game over. I said, Unless something really weird happens.

I said that. Like they manufacture a virus in China.

And then the weird thing happened. There you go. But I went to bed last time thinking it. I went to bed in 20 thinking it. I was like, Oh, it's over.

You fell asleep before they shut down.

Yeah, I woke up and I was like, Uh-oh.

The polling places.

I was like, Uh-oh.

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All of us.

It's what I thought.

We've all got questions. But I don't understand what it is. I've listened to people over time. There's tons of people who question that stuff.

Always.

They question, was it done right? I didn't realize it was a crime to question just to make sure, Hey, did everything... Did you all do that right? Because it seemed strange. Maybe it wasn't, but it was strange. I think the people in Louisiana are all like, Yeah, it was pretty obvious. A few cities were waiting, We'll let you know tomorrow. How much are we behind?

Yeah, they had to tally the number of votes they needed. So what's the new show?

We have We are getting back into production. It's like the next generation of Duckdineasty. So my kids are older. Well, so since 2017, 2024, a lot's happened. The cast has grown up. Then everybody else is still around. Back with A&E, we met and they said, Hey, you guys are interested in redoing a show? Felt like the time was right. Me with the family, prayed about it. I was like, I think so. The kids were excited and said, Yeah, let's show. We realized, Tucker, we talk about it's a long show and it's hard work, whatever. I mean, it's a lot. But man, when you talk to people and they tell you how much that meant to them and how much... I can't tell you how many people just... It was what my dad and I watched together. When my mom passed away, it was like the last... It was the only thing that we could laugh at together. We watched it as a family. Now, I have 25-year-olds. Even here, these kids are like, When I was 18, I watched every show you had. It was just watching the prayer at the end, just watching our family be positive with the roles were correct, and it wasn't a lot of just the darkness and stuff that people watch, and it wasn't just a train wreck.

It's really inspiring. You're like, Oh, man, it's good to make something, Especially when it came out originally, it was pretty much a little bright light amongst a lot of some dark stuff out there, some dark TV. I think when you can do that and you can provide that for people- There's no pressure at all from your corporate masters to change anything or make it different. No, actually, to be honest with you, I feel stronger now than I would then because they know who we are. They know what we're all about. Back then, they didn't know. They were like, I think they're religious. But now, obviously, over the past, well, crap, since the last 12 years, you know where we stand, you know what our morals are, you know what's important to us. We have a lot of followers. You know what I'm saying? We have social media for Sadia has millions of people. My kids have followers. A lot of people are interested in that. They're interested in... I think they want to be entertained, but they also I think they learn stuff. I think they can watch and learn. A lot of people that watch our show are like, We never prayed.

We never prayed before a meal. We didn't even know. We started trying that. Probably more often than not, even the praying, they rarely ever sat down and even ate together anymore. That's a gone.

That's the saddest thing.

They were like, We never even have dinner. Everybody's just grabbing it and go and meet you there, meet you at the deal, go to the It's a ballpark. This whole idea of just sitting down and just spending time with each other at dinner was becoming a foreign concept. I think people can learn and they can be like, Oh, that's... Maybe they don't have the family we do. Maybe everybody doesn't live there like that, but they can live through that and start their own traditions or doing something more as a family and realizing the importance of it. Then also just taking a break and not... What I love about the agnostic was we didn't take ourselves too seriously. We had fun, we laughed, and, oh, God, do we need that? We need some time. Everybody's so serious.

I think if you had written this book 10 years ago, it would have It does not seem pretty weird. Why is the reality TV show writing a book about spreading the gospel? It does not seem weird now. Do you think the country's changed?

I think it's changing Yeah, I think it's certainly changing. I think people are looking for answers. That's why I wrote the book. I think we get so lethargic. Some of this was even in churches. They just get lethargic and they get off. You got to know what your goal is and what you're here for and what's your mission. What's your mission in life? What's your mission? Well, I take my mission from Matthew 28, which is labeled as the Great Commission. Jesus says, Go out and make disciples of all nations, baptize people, teach people. Three things, three specific ideas. Make disciples, baptize people, teach people. Those are the last things he said before he left, like make sure you do this. When that's your mission, You just think about what you've got to do to accomplish those three things. You're probably going to have to have conversations with people. If you're going to make a disciple out of them, if you're going to baptize them, if you're going to teach them, you're going to have to have some conversation. What I find is people, if your Mission in life is, as a Christian, if you're like, Well, I try to go to church as often as I can.

I try to be a good person. Nothing in and of itself wrong with that. That's not a mission. What happens is the mission becomes a little self. I go to church so I can listen, so I can learn, so I can try to get through my week, and everything becomes inward. Those three things Jesus said were outward. It's out, out, out. Other people, other people, other people. Not just you, it's other Again, back to my father who was sitting in a bar, the guy drives out there, Why? Why? He's not going to be a member of his church. He doesn't have any money. He's a reprobate who's got a terrible reputation. What drove him to drive up there, that hour drive, walk into that bar? What drove him to do that? It was just for him, just for that guy. I thought, Wow, I don't know if I would... Would I drive? Would I be like, But he did that. It literally changed my life. It changed my whole family's life. If that would have been it, I'm not a big prosperity guy. Look what God has done. Look what he gave us. It paid off.

It didn't matter. If it just changed our life and kept our family together, worth it. Nobody noticed it. We weren't worth it. I got to see my dad and grew up with two parents, worth it. You look over time as then dad took that and then never went about this for money or fame or anything. In fact, really pushed that away more than embraced it, even when I told you the show, and he's like, No. That was a little different, too, with us. We didn't go. An email was sent to us. A company came to us. The network came to us. We weren't trying to go become famous. You see a lot today. People are like, I'll do whatever it takes to get famous. There's no authenticity there. It's like, We want you to do this. Fine, I'll do it. Will I be famous? Yes, then I'll do it.

Why would you want to be famous?

Why would who?

Anyone.

I don't know. It seems like a lot of people.

I mean, from social media. Yeah, people do. People want to be famous. What do you think it be? You are famous. What do you think of it?

It has its good parts about it.

What are those?

The people I've been able to meet. Yeah. I wouldn't know you if I wasn't. You wouldn't have invited me on this podcast had I not had a TV show.

I don't know. I ran into an elevator in Nashville.

That's true. But you thought I was a homeless guy.

I did.

You put money in my coffee cup. Which was filled with dip spit. I did. I spit in my cup and you said, you looked at me and you said, did you spin your cup? First word you said to me, you said, did you spin that cup?

I said, I did. Anyone who dips in an elevator is a potential friend of mine. That's how I feel about it.

You started doing your little maniacal laugh, and you started laughing so hard. It was so funny because of all the people I was expecting them to see, it wasn't you.

I didn't expect to catch Willie Robertson dipping in an elevator, but that was it.

I was headed to my room. I had been promoting this book, and you happened to be there as well, which is how this all ended up. I don't know. I think God works like that. I think he puts people together. It just seems too weird to me not. I think there's those opportunities that people have and they meet and some you take advantage of, some you don't, some you miss, some you're like, Oh, crap. But I just don't know. He did that in the Bible. There was things moving around. It could be for that person, it could be for someone else, it could be for something completely different, some situation that maybe needs to get out. But it was interesting that I had written this book. I had decided this year, I'm not jumping in this, even though it was so tempting. Everybody tried to get me to- Get involved. Let's go. I'd really just said, No, I'm not. I'm just going to I wrote this book. Then I meet you. Then you said, Hey, you should come on the podcast. It was scheduled for a few months. I went, I'm going to get pulled into the politics.

I was like, I said, I'm going to get pulled into this thing. Then as it turned around and spun around, we still did a podcast after the election. That was the commitment I made, just don't get so involved because I didn't want the mess. I don't care what. I really don't care. If it's the gospel or some political agenda, I'm going with the gospel every time. Because this is the power. If we can change people's... I just saw it. It changed me, but somebody like my father can change people's lives and turn them into completely different people. That's what I want to get to people.

Politics turns people into completely different people, too, but rarely for the better.

Right. I mean, it has its place, and I'm not casting aspersions on people who want our country to be a great country. But I'm not even one that says, Everything's got to be like you have to have Christians in every position. No, that's okay. We can work together and figure that out. Let the gospel do what it does and let politics do what it does. And let government.

Almost like rent under Caesar, what is Caesar's and- Exactly. Exactly.

Where do you get that? Yeah. Because, and that's the thing, back to mission. I'm into that mission, make disciples, baptize people, teach people. I think if Jesus wanted us to just make sure your government is, he would have talked about it, right? When I said, let's lay out a plan and all that. Because it was under these governmental things that he was going to end up being crucified anyway. Those things, they're of the world. They're here and they come and they die and they go away and they change and stuff happens. I was like, if that's where we end up, and I do think there's a lot of darkness for sure. But they need the gospel. They don't need a better program from DC. That's what will change it. Oh, wow, look, now families are staying together. It's not going to be that way. It's going to be when the church wakes up and decides to go out and have that mission is to go after. But we can't hate each other. That's the problem. We can't hate each other because that's the deal, man. I can't. I saw that so much in this one.

God, I got roast. People would get in my face. If I said, Oh, I'm writing this book and I'm not doing as much with... People would just be like, What? This country is or we're not going to have a country tomorrow. What I don't like about the trigger, it's my fault. They're telling me it's my fault that I'm How's it my fault? That's where we got to. Then it was just bullying everyone. Everybody's just bullying everybody. We certainly saw that with the Democrats being bullied or you better vote this way. We're telling you what to do. I'm just not good at people Tell me what to do. I'm like, Don't tell me what to do. Don't tell me what to do. Don't tell me. But now it's like, No, you got to do more. You've got to go out and do all this. I understand their passion and all that, but we've got to let people... Some of that's their job is to win the boat.

It doesn't answer the deepest questions. Like, what happens when you die? It doesn't address that.

When you die. Yeah, when you die. When you die.

So my last question is, I do think a lot of people are all of a sudden wondering, is there something beyond what we can see, hear, feel, and taste? I mean, is there a spiritual realm? Is there a God? I People all around me are asking those questions. What would you recommend to them? How to pursue that? Something stirs you and you think, wow, maybe I should learn more.

I found those answers In the Bible, and particularly in the New Testament, that's where I found those answers. It comes down to the faith. You've got to have this faith, and you're going to have to jump and believe something that you can't see. It's interesting how people can't do that. I remember I was talking to a guy one time. I was having one of these conversations. I don't know if this story is in the book, but there's a lot in there. We're having this story, and he's like, I don't believe in faith. I don't see it. I don't believe it. He just got married, and I said, We're at a hunting camp. I said, Where's your wife right now? He's like, She's at home. I said, I bet she's with another guy. He said, No, she's- I love how you proselytize.

Yeah.

He said, No, she's not. I can tell he's mad.

He's like, Well, yeah.

He's been married like six months. I said, Oh, no, for sure. She's with another guy, no doubt. He goes, No, she's not. What are you What are you doing? I said, How do you know she's not? He goes, Because I trust her. I said, So you do have faith in something that you can't see? He went, I've never thought about that He was an atheist. He said, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any of this stuff. It was just a small move, though. We moved him off of that position. Now we have moved him to, there are some things that even though I can't see it, I have faith and I trust it.

Why do more preachers not start with that? I bet your wife's sleeping with somebody else.

That works. Maybe they don't go to enough hunting camps. I mean, for me, though, what else? I mean, he's an atheist. What else to say? Okay, good luck with that. Let me know how that works for you. I'm trying to think of Paul says in the New Testament, Paul, who knew the gospel better than anybody, who's a writer. He says, Pray for me that the mystery of the gospel can come out of my mouth more clearly. He's praying that it can come out more clearly. My question is, why? Why is he? He knows this stuff. He wrote He's writing because some weren't obeying it, some weren't getting it. He's going, So you have to keep coming at, keep asking more questions. Maybe I'm not asking the right questions. I did that. There's a story in the book, a beautiful story of a guy that I just kept trying to... He had problems with his brain. He had lesions on his... I thought he was going to die. I was like, He's going to die? I don't think he's a Christian. I don't think he's a believer. I'm just like, Hey, man, have you thought about heaven?

He would say the same thing every time to me. Well, he who hath not sinned cast the first stone. That's what he would say. He was quoting a scripture, and I knew what that meant. That's red neck for, I don't want to hear what you got to say. I'm not interested. I was like, Mmm. I could have thought, Well, I tried. I get to heaven. I tried. Remember I told you four times? Every time he would just divert, divert, divert, wall. Finally, we're in a car, we're in New York City working on a business deal. We're talking about money. He's a super rich guy. We're talking about money. He's already smoking. He's like, We're not going to make so much money. He was just like, he was so excited about it. I look at him and I asked, I said, How old are you? He said, I'm 58 years old. I said, I bet you're going to be dead in 14 years. He just looks back. I was a sicker. I He goes, What? I said, I bet you're going to be dead in 14 years. He goes, Why would you say that? I said, The way you live?

I said, But you're... I mean, I'm just guessing, but I said, Have you ever thought about that? Like, what's going to happen then? What happens then? I said, We just did an investment. Are you investing in anything beyond here? Or is it just here? He goes, I've never thought about that before. You know what he didn't say? He who had not sinned cast the first stone. We got past that. We finally got past that. I was like, If we get past that. We get to the hotel, we're in Manhattan, and he goes, Can you come up and tell me more about that? I'll say, Yeah. I'll go to my room, I'll get my Bible, I go to his room. I sit down and that's the verse. I got seven verses. It's not a lot. I just start reading them to him. He just stands up in the hotel I'll never get it. He yelled at his wife, she's in bed, he goes, I'm getting baptized. I was like, Man, it's midnight. We're in Central Park. I don't know where I got to go find some water here. Which I was ready. I was like, We're going to find some.

I said, Well, let's go, I guess, we're in a hotel in New York City. I said, We're going to find some water. He said, No, I got to tell everybody I know that what's fixing to happen. This is the same guy I've been working on for years. He's like, he wouldn't know. Now he's saying, I got it. He emailed everybody. He knows everybody. Finally, like a month later, show up to his house, the big house. There's people everywhere. There's people from New York, people from LA, Florida. People have shown up because he said, I'm getting baptized. Come watch this. I get there and I walk up and he goes, Everybody gasping out. He goes, Willy, tell him what you told me in that hotel room that night. I said, Yeah, no problem. I'll go through that. His wife gets baptized, daughter gets baptized. He gets baptized. Is anybody else? They just start streaming in that blue jeans, taking their boots off. Just over and over and over. Just like what's happened in the Bible. You see that in the Book of Acts. It's like 25 people that night over that conversation. But I didn't stop that conversation.

When you don't hear it, you just keep on. And plus, I'm still there. Sometimes it takes 20 minutes, sometimes it takes 2 hours, sometimes it takes 20 years because I don't give up on anybody because they didn't give up on dad. I would have given up on Phil a long time ago. I just said, Forget that sucker. He needs to go to jail. But that dude didn't give up. His sister didn't give up on him. That guy went up there and talked to him, and it changed my whole life. I never give up on anybody. You never know. You never know when that time is, and they're like, Oh, no, and they're ready, and they're like, So we're just really planting the seeds, Tucker. I'm just planting the seeds because I'm ready. I want to make disciples. I want to baptize people. I want to teach people. That's what I'm doing. Everything I look at in life, Where does it fall in that category? This book does, the TV show does, the stuff my kids do, the family stuff. All of it can fall through there. That's where I want it. It's way more than going to church and having some look and being a Christian.

Way more That's like an hour a week. That's nothing. I'm like, How about this? You take your hour, don't go to church. I want you for the other six days, and we'll go change the world. But people got a bad idea on that. They're thinking, Isn't it just like you show up an hour? Try that in your marriage, try that with your kid, try to see them an hour, see if that gets you enough to get through. It's just a bigger idea and it's a bigger concept. Then when you're in that moment, when you're You bear with people and you watch their lives change, and then you watch the fruit of that come out of it, it's like a high. You're just like, That's what it's all about. That's the stuff to where you're then going, There is hope. I live my life based on there's hope in something beyond. If it's not, it's not. I've hopefully lived a great life. I've great friends. My faith and the principles of the Bible has probably kept me out of a lot of misery and hell and bad stuff. But I'm thinking that there is. I see evidence everywhere.

I see evidence everywhere.

What?

I can see it in people's lives. If Jesus lives in us, the Holy spirit lives in us, I can see it in their lives. I can see people doing this. I'm like, Why would you do that? There's no advantage. It's not financial advantage. Exactly. I'm seeing them share and do things and sacrifice, and I see that-For each other. Yeah, for each other, for other people. I can see it. I can feel it. At times, I feel stuff, too. It just seems like, I'm like, Wow, that's a lot of... I can't help but think something was going on with Trump. There was a lot of weird, turn your head the right way, doing this. We were shooting birds today. How close is that?

Too close.

I mean, to who knows what would happen? Who knows what today would look like? You know what I'm saying? Who knows? I'm just saying it looked like God was doing something there. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know. But that's the faith part. I think sometimes, Tucker, I think we think our goal is to try to figure it out. We're like, We have to know. We got to read the signs. Everybody was wanting to know what's going to happen. Even with our country, where will we be in 20 years? It's like we want to know, but there's too many factors. You got to have faith. It's impossible. It's impossible. You can't figure that out. You got to live. I can always look back and it makes sense. I'm like, Oh, wow, that made sense. But looking forward, that's the... That's the message that I'm going to... But somebody's been sharing this message for 2,000 years. We're halfway around the globe from where it happened and still talking about it. True. They had no money, they had no fame, they weren't soldiers. They didn't even speak the same language. We're speaking a different language.

We are sitting here today, halfway across the globe, and we're still talking about it. I'm still writing books about it, living our lives on it and professing it. That's a big deal. I haven't seen that with anything else. Everything else 2,000 years ago, we don't even know what it is. They're gone. It's just gone. We don't know their names. Yeah. Not at all.

Willie Robertson, thank you very much. Awesome. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson's show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to tuckercarlson. Com to see everything that we have made, the complete library, tuckercarlson. Com.