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Because I get sick of talking about bike racing and, you know, and when I think of and I've seen some hard shit in my day, the Tour de France, all the spring classics and the terrible weather, Iron Mans and ultramarathons, all this stuff.


These boys just done outdid themselves and now did us so I had my four guests today. First, I just want to introduce my friend Dixon McDonald and I'll have Dixon throw it to the team. But I've known Dixon about a year, and I believe it was actually at our first meeting when you told me, Dixon, that you're going to you want to put together a team to race a rowboat across the Atlantic Ocean, which, for those of you who don't know, is three thousand miles.


In a boat rowing with three other dudes, which to me, like I'm out, like I will do anything, OK? And it really actually is the ethos of we do write the name we do comes from when you hear all this crazy stuff and most people say, who wants to do that? And millions of people in unison say we do. Well, guess what? You have drawn the line. OK, I will not participate in that.


We do ethos. I have no idea. But I want to get into all that. I have so many questions. And just let's go around the horn. You introduce yourself and then throw it to the other three beasts and just give us a little background. Yeah, sure.


Well, Lance, for starters, thanks for having us on. We're extremely excited to be included on this. And to your point, I don't think this is the typical podcast, but hopefully we'll do our part to to the folks listening today. So my name is Dixon McDonald. I'm team captain of Latitude Thirty five. And we're participating in a race called the Talisker Whiskey Atlantic Challenge, which starts on December 12th. And it's a three thousand mile unsupported rowing race across the Atlantic Ocean.


We'll be rowing in shifts of two hours on two hours off two guys at a time for the entire month. We'll have all of our food on board, which includes about a little over one million calories consuming north of five thousand calories per day. We'll face everything that Mother Nature throws at us from thirty plus foot waves to wildlife, dehydration, pretty dramatic weight loss and all sorts of other fun things. But as mentioned, team captain, born and raised in New York City.


Lance, you and I have got to know each other over the past year and really, really excited to be taking part in this race with with the three guys that are on this podcast as well. So that will we'll turn it over to Jimmy to introduce himself.


But can I just ask one quick question? And if everybody else can touch on this? I mean, you're not like a professional robot racer, right? Nobody. No, I don't think there's such a thing. So but you got a real job, like you're a real guy. You know, this is not a full time gig. Yeah, exactly.


So by way of of of background, I worked in the financial services industry for close to a decade. I now work at a health care technology startup. I had worked in New York and London and now working back in New York City. And in terms of my my athletic background, I'm by no means a professional athlete. But to your point about the ethos of we do I've grown up playing sports my entire life, have been a competitive age group triathlete for about ten years now, having most recently qualified for the Ironman seventy point three world championships and the Boston Marathon last fall.


And I first heard about this rowing race about two and a half rowing race about two and a half years ago. And was I think I had the same reaction, Lance, that you had when I first told you about it. It completely blew my brain out of my head and was just shocked that people would even do this thing and and thankfully found some some other crazy friends of mine who were just as interested in taking part of this and not only devoting time to it, but treating this in a way like a second job.


I mean, we have our nine to fives and our nine fives are actually typically longer than that every day. And on top of that, we've trained for a rowing race that less than four hundred people have ever done before, relative to over four thousand people that have climbed Mount Everest. And we've had to through through obviously a very challenging year, have had to battle gym closures, travel restrictions, log well over one hundred and twenty hours on our boat, get certified in everything from sea survival to navigation and short range radio.


And we've done it being on different continents myself, being based in New York, my three teammates is they'll mention being based in London. Thankfully, Americans have been allowed to travel over to the UK this summer as long as there's a quarantine period. So I've been lucky enough to to head over to the UK and work remotely during the day and then on the weekends we've been we've been out in the boat and all sorts of weather from hot and humid to freezing cold and pouring rain for four forty eight hours.


So so we've really seen it all.


Hm. Jimmy, what's your story? That was the last one to get roped in, and I blame Todd for that, but my background is in the British Army and a reconnaissance unit for just over eight years and served in Iraq and Afghanistan twice. And then I moved over to run the largest ever medical research expedition to Mount Everest and then to Manchester United Football Club around the world for their global tours and over to the states. Actually, five years ago before setting up pylorus, which is a luxury experiential adventure travel company.


And now I spend a lot of time playing with super yachts and taking clients to amazing place like Antarctica and Papua New Guinea and and crazy places like that.


So but there's always been a desire to do Mad Ventris things since being in the Army from ultramarathons and a fair amount of cycling and other challenges, I can throw my hands up.


So when Todd came shouting, saying, hey, you want to join the red team, I may have had one or two beers, definitely, and immediately said yes. But more worryingly, thing was that my wife volunteered even quicker than I did to send me off across the Atlantic. So maybe she just wants to get rid of me. I'm not quite sure. We're not sure.


But I tell you, the minute you step foot on one hundred and fifty foot yacht that has a big motor and a bunch of people serving food, you're going to be a happy dude. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Just let me know. I'm happy to join on that trip as well. Jonah, what's happened? Sorry, Jimmy. You've never obviously never done this before.


No, I absolutely hated rowing machine in the gym. It's a grotesque piece of machinery. That is a good start as a good start.


All right, John, what's what's your what's your four one one. Yes.


A bit of a similar story to, uh, to Jimmy. I actually previously was in the British Army as well and also served in a reconnaissance unit, although a different a different regiment and served in Afghanistan in 2013 and then came out of the army and went into financial services a bit like the X. And then so so again, no real experience doing this whatsoever. I heard sort of you know, we kind of got me to sort of maybe got a mate who had stories of this being done.


And I think I'd heard of someone doing in the past and it sort of had interested me, but I'd never had the opportunity to actually give it a go. And then about a year ago, I was introduced to Dixon, and it was one of those conversations that you have where you hear someone's doing something and you kind of as a throwaway comment, say, you know, that sounds quite fun. I'd like to do that. And then was immediately.


Well, actually, there's a place on the boat and you kind of maybe regret saying that. But, you know, I got to meet Dixon and Todd and the team and then, yeah, sort of stuck my hand up and said, this is a you know, this is a pretty awesome opportunity. I'm not going to I'm not able to turn it down. So here we are a year later and sort of in about a week away.


You missed you're missing some you're a few pickle's short of a sandwich. If this is something, you can't pass this up.


This is too good.


I don't even I don't get it. I don't get almost anything. I don't get this. Todd, how about you? Hey, yeah. So I, I met Dixon, as he said, through the company that we used to work together with. And yeah, my background is I played kind of semi-professional rugby for a while. I used to weigh one hundred and twelve kilos which is two hundred and forty five pounds. And then I got into cycling, I got injured cycling and running.


And yet Dixon asked me if I wanted to do the race and I kind of immediately immediately said yes. So. So yeah. And now here we are.


So let's just establish a baseline here and I'll just ask and one of y'all can speak. I mean, everybody likes Dixon at this point before we started.


This is a loaded question. So let's just let's just assume everybody likes you, Dixon, because my friend, you got everybody into this. Now, there is going to be a moment where they look at one guy and I mean, it's going to go it's going to be pure hate, right? I mean, it's OK. Yeah, potentially there's good brother, it's what is what is the world record, let's just let's establish that.


Yes. So the world record is twenty nine days, about twenty nine and a half, which was said a couple of years ago by a team called the Four Horsemen. So they're the mark to beat. Obviously our goal this this year is to is to win the race. And we've been clear about that from the start. Setting world record is is very contingent on the conditions that we face out there. So the four horsemen definitely set a very strong mark.


They had extremely favorable conditions. And essentially what that means on top of being a very strong team is that it means you have fast conditions, so big wins and big waves typically pushing you towards Antigo, which is which is where the finishes and the four horsemen, they're not back or they're back.


They're not back now. So it's there are twenty one teams total in this year's race. Fifty five rowers from nine countries and yours truly is only American.


And by the way, correct me if I'm wrong that they're are doing the four man team, but there are people that do this alone, their teams to do it with the two person teams.


That right? Yeah.


Yeah. I mean, if you thought we were crazy then then yeah. There's a the oldest man to ever attempt to row across an ocean is in our in our race. He is seventy seventy one thousand seventy one won. Yeah.


So it's just when you see the people that, that make up this race, it's truly incredible, the types of personalities and and ages that you see at the start line and also just the backgrounds. I mean, Lance, as you mentioned, I had no rowing background prior to this. I'm a New York City kid. My background is endurance sports started a little bit later, life in the triathlon world. And when you look around the start line, I think there are a lot of people somewhat similar to us that that have some sort of endurance background, a love for adventure and suffering, but but not necessarily in rowing, which which is pretty cool and unique.


And obviously anything this hard, like any sport in the world or event in the world, that's this hard to accept. There's separation. Right. So let's just let's just take, for example, the difference between first and second. I mean, this isn't there are no sprints here, right? I mean, we're talking about hours and hours or days in between. You know the best teams, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly, I mean, I would say the first place could finish potentially two months ahead of the last place.


So there's a dramatic difference. And obviously the first place is typically a four man team just because there's more horsepower on board. Thankfully, we have Todd with us for that while the rest of us sit back and relax. But no, typically the four man teams are the fastest and the salt the solos historically tend to be on the slower side, obviously, because there's only one person powering the boat. So there's there's a dramatic range. And as soon as we go off, which is a staggered start, it's it's every boat to themselves supported by Atlantic campaigns that are the race organizers in terms of tracking.


But we have everything on board that we need for the entirety of the crossing.


And this, you know, just full disclosure, I mean, literally, like if you took me just deep sea fishing, like in the Bahamas and you start in some calm water, you go out and you kind of lose sight of land. I mean, I get sick immediately, like projectile vomiting, like I get so seasick. So, like in my brain, I'm just like I just couldn't do that. Right. Is that is that just part of it?


I mean, there's not or maybe there's people in the world that just don't get seasick. But I would be sick, I think, the whole time. Or is everybody here getting sick? Am I clear?


I think I think everyone gets a bit seasick. Every single person gets seasick, even if you haven't been seasick before. And typically it lasts like five to seven days. And people people talk about the first three or four days, you feel like you're dying. And then from days three to seven, you wish you were dead. This is amazing. Yeah.


And hopefully it gets better and then, yeah, you just normalize or whatever, then you probably get land sick. Right, because you're so used to moving, you know, then you get on land something that's not moving and you get the same interior that maybe you don't get sick. But it's definitely must be trippy to actually stand up on something that's not moving all over the place.


Well, not only that, but I think your calf muscles pretty much disappear by the time we hit Antigua because we're on a twenty eight foot boat. We're all guys that are six, six foot and over and all north of one hundred and eighty pounds. And so for all four of us to be on a twenty eight foot boat, there's not a whole lot of walking around that goes on. It's not a luxury super yacht by any means.


So you're, I think you're destabilizations a little off when you and and I think your your, your calf muscles among other things, pretty much disappear. And so you're and you're going you lose about 20 percent of your body weight when you're out there as well. So not only have we focused on strength and conditioning and hours on the water and hours on the rowing machine, but part of it has also been trying to bulk up a little bit in anticipation of losing weight during the crossing itself.


What is the sleeping thing like?


I mean, Dixon, you've explained it to me, so we'll hear from somebody else. But like, I just can't. And I've watched some of the videos on YouTube and one of them is actually pretty good. Maybe it came from the organizer. They show this. I don't know. I don't know this the whole you to sleep in, which is just I just can't I just I don't know. I'm totally mind blown over this, but it.


Well, I guess first question is, can you sleep right off the boat if you have 30 foot waves, I mean, are you really sleeping? And then even if it's just, you know, somewhat calm, you're stuffed in there with another dude. And I mean, can you actually sleep? Are you so tired that you do you just sleep? I mean, what's or maybe I don't know, because you haven't been out there on day 12 and and experienced that, like, is sleep going to happen?


So you've got to you've got two cabins, you've got a bonus done.


And the way that the rotors work is that you should only be there. You have sort of one one one guy in each at any one time. So you've got a little bit more kind of space than if they were to cram crammed in that which we may get from time to time as well. But realistically, if we're doing sort of two hours on yours and two hours off and by the way, that ratio might shift slightly if we're really going through a period when we're pushing, it'll be two hours on the walls, potentially 40 minutes off.


So try to kind of maintain the momentum in the pace because obviously it is a race and we want to be going as fast as we can.


But I think if you're coming off the yours right, you've got to you've got to feed yourself. You've got to wash yourself. You've got to admen. You've got to do a quick bit of stretching or a bit of ability, whatever you can. So realistically, you're probably looking at about 90 minutes of rest in that two hour window.


So it's going to be a challenge. And we're exploring different ways to try and get to sleep as quickly as possible. Maximize that time that you've got available before. You know, someone's knocking on the door and saying, you know, five minutes and you're back on mules. And as you say, Lance, it's going to be a case of we haven't experienced what it's like twelve days and yet. But hopefully we'll get to that point where as soon as you get in and close.


Are you just exhausted, you're sitting pretty quickly and this is and again, I'm just for the listener because this is just the weird. But I want to I want to just if you can if you folks listening or watching can think of I mean, how wide is the boat? I mean, it's like six feet. It doesn't look very wide. Not even I would say four feet even better, and now I mean and then it's more like 30 feet long.


28 foot long. Twenty eight feet. OK, so four by twenty eight. These cabins are just stuffed in there. And this makes it a cabin.


The cabin in the bow is is actually full length. So it's a good looking pretty faces of Dixon and you're going to be able to stretch out fully where is Todd? And I missed our legs actually go underneath the deck, which the guise of riding on. And then we have all the navigation equipment and the radio equipment in there and the tailor for the auto industry.


And did we just draw straws for this this selection? Or you'll get screwed with the thing where you can't move your feet. That's just so bad.


I think it takes being team captain led from the front and so they'd be up front so many wise to go first.


Let me tell you something. All of Dixon's loved ones just you better just say some prayers for this guy. He roped in these three nice chaps and two of them served their country. And in this guy comes up with this idea, rope these poor guys in over some beers to row across the Atlantic. They might push his ass over. I'm serious.


You know, thankfully, thankfully, there's a personal tracking beacon attached to to all of us. So in the event they do dump my body, I think hopefully people can still find me.


And and by the way, people, Dixon, I think you told me that people have fallen overboard never to come back. Did I hear that right?


Not not as part of this race there. There have been some in this race specifically. There actually have been no deaths associated with it. So it does have a sterling safety record at this point. There have been capsizes. We anticipate that we could potentially capsize if we do hit some some larger waves. In the event that that happens, the boat is actually made to self. Right. So it'll flip itself back over. It just means that anyone that's in the cabin will get tumbled right in the cabin and anyone on deck is going for a swim.


But we are attached to the boat by bungee cable at all times. So hopefully if we do fall off the boat, we're not going too far from it. And the only other time we're going off the boat is to clean the bottom of the boat because there's as you can imagine, there's crap that accumulates on the bottom. And so we scrape that off every seven to 10 days to prevent the boat from slowing down.


It must just be crazy wildlife like you. I mean, I know it's in the ocean, right? Well, we're like a dumb kid from Plano thinks about the ocean like you. Sharks and whales and dolphins and stingrays. I don't know. I mean, you guys are going to see some crazy stuff, right?


I mean, you probably there's been stories of previous editions where just awesome wildlife and there's amazing stories of whales came up alongside the boats that blowholes going right next to the boat and showering everyone to the restaurants and the plankton at night lighting up. And every strike you when you bring the oil is out, then lights up with the plankton. And that's pretty, pretty awesome. And then the stars as well. So there's a lot to see.


You also get some flying fish that come out from the ocean and hit you smash in in the face and they smell like shit. So we're looking forward to that as well. Hopefully one doesn't land on deck and we don't find it until until the morning.


But yes, there's also some pretty this is getting better, better and better, thankfully.


Flying fish. Yeah, exactly. Oh, man.


And navigation. I mean, obviously, this is a maybe the truest test of endurance that I've ever witnessed. But, boy, you'd hate to be out there, you know, feeling good teams clicking, going along. And all of a sudden, you know, I think we're going the wrong way, but the navigation must be pretty solid. I don't know if that's if you're constantly monitoring that every five minutes or ten minutes or if there's an auto pilot out or something.


So we're really lucky that we've got we have a weather router called called Angus Collins and he from Beyond Endurance. And he would be giving us every twelve hours the heading that we should be on. He'll be monitoring all the weather systems and directing us around them or making sure that we're in in the best winds. And it's up to Jimmy and I to make sure that the auto helm is changed every four to six hours because it can get quite hot. So Jimmy and I will be monitoring the navigation and speaking to Angus every twelve and twenty four hours.


Yeah. So you're not thinking I mean, you're just rowing. You're not thinking. Oh, I think. The worst case scenario is Lawrences, when actually if you're in a really strong weather system, you need to get out of it and you've got three guys riding at one time and then one of us manually steering. So there is no rest at all. And there's been times where teams have had to do that for 12 hours at a time. So and then you just try and rotate when your hand steering with a rope on the side and then the guy's just going for it, just battling the elements.


So, yeah, there can be some pretty grim times. No rest whatsoever.


And in terms of weather, the weather, do you guys have weather radar? I mean, I know you have somebody advising on direction, but are you able to see whether that's that's on the horizon or are you just relying on we're lucky with our system that we've been sponsored by Inmarsat, that we could actually get a feed on the weather.


So we can we can see it. But we would take the best advice from from Angus because he's monitoring about four different systems and then he'll plot it through. And he's also crossed across the Atlantic a couple of times, as well as a few operations. So he really knows we most likely won't be getting from A to B the straight line. He may decide to push north or south for like tornadoes, says actually push us into stronger weather to try and get that that tradewinds going across.


But the result of that could be actually with them hitting 30 or 40 foot waves, which are rolling in and ideally with surf down, then.


Yeah, Dixon, last year when we first when we first met and started talking about this, I almost ended the conversation right there, just thinking this guy's clearly not not all. There must be some weird spoiled kid. But that's not true. I've grown grown to love this kid. Tons of respect for him. But you know what is so funny? I started saying something stupid.


Then I forgot what I was going to say, but. But the winds keep going. I liked where that was heading.


Yeah, this is the one we did talk initially. There is obviously I don't know. I mean, the what the ocean must be thousands of feet deep. So there's no such thing as an anchor if you had to stop for a bit. But I guess there is some some technology or there is some sort of an anchor if you needed it. It was fascinating when you were explaining it to me the way it was almost like a big parachute under the water.


And I'm like, that doesn't work. Is that is that ever deployed? Is ah is that even a thing that I make that up.


Yeah, no, you're exactly right. It's it's a pair of anchor AC anchor. And in the event that we had really strong headwinds and big waves that are pushing us back towards the Canary Islands, which is where we're starting from, will deploy a pair of anchor. And so it's a it's a massive parachute that fills with water and essentially prevents us from moving backwards. So we hopefully don't don't lose as much ground as we as we would otherwise. We'll do our best to to to kind of counteract any sort of headwinds that we face.


So there are three rowing positions on the boat, even though typically two of us will be rowing at a time. So in the event that we do have strong winds, there is a scenario where we potentially may have three guys on the oars rowing in shifts of two hours on 40 minutes off or even more than that. So we'll adapt to the conditions. But there are situations also where we may spend days on the pair anchor, and that's happened in the past where you spend 72 hours locked up in your cabins because the waves are huge, the winds pushing you backwards, you're out, you got the sea anchor out and you're basically just waiting for the weather system to move as you're as you're hanging out.


I just I just I just envisioning this Angus guy. Right. And by the way, your name is Angus. You've got to be from England or Australia or something. So he's like, you get the I don't know how he sends you all messages. Hey, boys, bad news. You've moved 500 feet in three days and you're like, oh, fuck, let's drop this anchor thing. Like, but that wouldn't be all bad. At least you could just chill out and get some recovery.


It would in theory, it sounds like it would be good to recover, although it would be two of us in a cabin that is really made for hardly made for one person. There's also no no air conditioning in the cabins or fan or general circulation because the cabin seem to be watertight. So you have to two guys in each cabin after two to three to even four weeks out there without really showering.


Needless to say, you don't really want to spend more time in the cabin than you need to man man in blisters and all of this. This is all just just inevitable, right? I mean, there's no getting around that. So I think that's definitely the case to an extent, the sports come quite a long way in terms of people experiencing it and learning how to manage all those kind of problems so, you know, pitted hands from being wet the whole time.


Same with feet. And people are getting much more kind of practiced at looking after themselves, looking after their bodies, watching out for kind of chafing and salt sores and all those kind of problems as well. So there's definitely an element of degradation that's going to happen just by virtue of getting on the boards for two hours and then only getting two hours off to kind of admin your body and doing some of our training. Rose, we started to experience some of that.


So the first time, you know, the first training that I went on this summer was pretty much the first time I ever wrote in the boat. And I got off and my hands were just a mess of blisters and sores and calluses. And I said, OK, fine, that that's that lesson learned. How can we kind of avoid that going forward? And there's different ways of kind of techniques of reducing your grip on yours. And also we're looking into different kind of gloves, padding, just anything to kind of mix it up a little bit to try and take the strain off.


But, you know, I think at some point after a couple of weeks in is just going to a certain element of either you've kind of adapted or your body is just going to keep degrading a little bit. And all you can do is just administrate yourself as best as you possibly can to try and minimize that for as long as possible.


And like, what's the temperature now? And in the Canary Islands where you guys are starting the outside temperature? Twenty 22 centigrade right now, the day is dropping down to what it's like seventy five degrees, right? So I mean, that's that's but as you get out there, I mean, obviously, I've never done this and never will. But are we talking, like, cold, cold or is it or is it stays seventy five degrees or or who knows.


It's actually going to get warmer. So as we travel further south, it'll, it'll typically get hotter as we go. So that's that's more of a problem is actually during the day it'll be, you know, 30 to 40 degrees. So what. Eighty, eighty six Fahrenheit or more. And so especially in the middle of the day will be worried about the sun getting burned. And in the cabins, as Dixon said, there's very little airflow. So actually will be worrying not only not wanting to be in the cabins during the day because it'll be so hot.


Now, the one thing we didn't mention and this is this is, I think, the coolest part, because we're going to do a multipart episode of this of the move here covering this race. You guys have access to a satellite phone. We have a satellite phone sponsored. Dixon, you can do you can promise this, but Dixon is going to call it allegedly going to call me once a week. I hope we just at a time, don't call me in the middle of the night.


I'm not going to pick up my put my phone on mute. But so we're going to we're going to talk once a week in which this is all fun.


Like, this shit's crazy. I love asking these questions. Everybody's going to love this dude. I cannot wait for you to call me the first time. Be like, so what's up, man? Like, just the normal shit you say to friends. Like, so how's it going, Dixon? Like, are we still doing this?


I think we'll be hating everything at that point. Yeah, no, I think seven, seven, seven days.


And then I think hopefully week by week things or things will improve.


But I have no doubt that on that first call a week or so and we'll be going through pretty extreme culture shock, it could even be that all of a sudden I hear Jimmy's voice and he says, you know, Dixon had a horrible accident. He got up and he slipped one day. He did not have his bungee on. He slipped.


And you're not with. We never found him. He's gone, I mean, but, yeah, we got it. I cannot do it. There's going to be my favorite conversation all week, every week if we're doing a video call.


And the one thing we haven't discussed is that would be ready. Make it most of the time, actually. So that is not true.


100 percent true.


Hang on a second.


Just is like I was. I love this clip on YouTube of Dave Chappelle talking about the first time he met Kanye West. And if you've never watched, you got to watch. Watch it tonight. You'll get a big laugh out of it. But at this one point of this description of Chappelle talking about Kanye, there was this they were listening to Kanye is new record and he loved this part. And Kanye goes, rewind that. So I'm going to rewind this shit first.


Wait, what are you talking about next? OK, this just got what kind of podcast is your I mean, you're wearing short shorts or maybe a Speedo.


Nobody's out there naked anyway, as naked as the day you were born. This is what you normally tell everyone. Straight away, I'm never. Yeah, you bet. By the way, Dixon, you did not you did not disclose this.


Well, since we may have video feed, Lance, that will be a great first call. Your may get some new followers out of this.


I'm going to see you guys is for hunk's and all the girls watching that. And now they're now they're going, oh, my God, I wouldn't be on that boat. I tell you, if you got to be next, I was not going to be on the boat anyways. But if you got to be next, I just I'm out. I'm really, really out.


But why what why would the thinking behind it a little bit, to be honest, is part of it as a hygiene thing? Because if you're just continually rowing in the same stuff day after day, sweating in it, 12 hours of rowing, if not more per day, it just gets really grimy. And if you can also eliminate the friction between your butt and the seat as well, that we we have padding and sheepskin that we'll put on the seat.


And basically we've heard that that rowing naked actually can be a preferred way and more comfortable way to do it.


I know this is this is I'm talking I think, you know, I feel like we should start the show over and just start with that, because that is a major development here that Todd has been doing his his training naked on the rowing machine in the gym.


Yeah. And that's why he's no longer allowed to come to the gym.


Yeah, I know it's covid and there's not a lot of people going to gym, so I guess that's good for you. But that that's that's I had a lot of other questions.


I don't even know where to go.


Know what that is so fucked up, I, I don't know man.


I don't know, maybe it's not a multipart series.


This is just I can't hear it and I can't because I'm imagining this as much as I can.


OK, what about me. Let's try to change the subject. What about music like or do we have any music going. Is there I mean is it I mean I would need music like very early on just to get me, get me through it. Yeah.


We've downloaded thousands of hours of music, podcasts, audio books to listen to while we're rowing friends, a very nicely made playlist. We have a big speaker that we can put out on the deck and kind of crank tunes at all hours. That's good, I guess. I think especially at night when we're just at the point of hallucinating to be able to put something on and get the tunes going at max volume is is exactly what we're going to need.


And then TV shows and movies for hanging out in the cabin because you got power, there's solar or something to keep your iPad charge or whatever you're watching.


Yeah, exactly. We have solar panels, the charge, the batteries, and then a modern luxury USB cables that we can that can charge iPhones, iPads, et cetera, into. So as long as we don't have any issues with the solar panels or with our batteries, which can also happen, we'll be good to to keep everything charged up and keep the tunes going.


OK, so I'm sorry I got to go back to this next thing, just honestly, because it's just so does does everybody do it naked?


The majority of people didn't like it, so this is not all the videos on YouTube and all the there's none of this. Nobody naked on the thing that the US to that.


I think the thing you should know is that in last year's race, there was a brother and sister who did it together in in this year's race that is like a father and a daughter, daughter with the daughter's friend and her friend's husband in the same boat. So, so, so out of out of all the teams, I think we're we're probably the best, though.


All this that that that's all that they're all reality shows. But the one would like the daughters and the dads and the friends like that, you would imagine.


Right. To be honest, it was just going to make a pilot. You're not going to believe this Hollywood like these people rowing across the Atlantic and they're naked, that's all.


It's like being naked. It's nothing because there is no privacy on board. So we're all going to live in front of each other, literally sit away from each other. So when you're naked, that's that's at least your worries, Jimi.


I don't care. I'm find it. I already feel like I know you well, especially now. I will do it in front of you. All right. Now, I don't mind that now this is this is. Yeah, damn.


What is it all? And I don't even know what time it is there. I don't even know where logorrhea is. I do roughly. But I'll leave it with this and I'm so excited to check in hopefully every week. And I want to say this to a man so everybody can answer this. You go in any order. But what scares you the most? I mean, like, really, really scares you. I'm not talking about getting tired or getting seasick.


Like, what scares you the most? This has there has to be I mean, I my list would be one hundred deep. But what scares you all the most? I guess speaking for myself, the obviously the unknown is pretty terrifying and we've trained for that. I think for me, just getting into into a storm where we might not be able to maintain control of the boat in 30 to 40 foot waves where the boat either capsizes or just flips on top of itself to me is is absolutely terrifying.


I mean, thankfully, we have the four of us on board. I couldn't imagine doing this solo, but but that personally is we haven't experienced those conditions yet. You know, we don't know if we will, but but the idea of being fifteen hundred miles from the shoreline, pitch black at 1:00 in the morning and 30 to 40 foot waves and having the boat somersault if we're on deck to me personally is is definitely the thing that I'm probably most nervous about.


Yeah. Jimmy. Think Dixon's some summed up what he just said is, believe me, is plenty scary enough. So if everybody wants to go, ditto, unless somebody else has something.


I think we've all trained and we know we know we've got all of our strengths and weaknesses. Absolutely. That it is that you are against Mother Nature like no other event, I think. And we've been watching the one day round the world yacht race, which is going on right now, and they've had some horrendous conditions and people retiring and breaking millions of dollars worth of boats and things like that. And, yeah, they've got a lot more around the mast.


And I think it's just knowing that you were a tiny, tiny little pinprick in the ocean that is, you know, really brings it back to reality of what you're doing. And there is no support around you. Could be if something happens to us, we could be five days from a tanker or a passing cargo vessel coming by to pick us up. And that means, worst case scenario, we're bailing out into a life raft, which which also is a risk.


Right? I mean, they don't necessarily see you and just you are just a speck out there to them. And then unless there's maybe there's some sort of signal that gets sent out. But, yeah, you get you get tagged by one of those. And that's that's that's not good either. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.


And I think for me it's it's it's definitely what the other two have said and it's is the uncontrollable stuff. Right. You can you can do as much preparation as you can and you can create the best plan. But you know, there's a saying in the military know they plan survives first contact with the enemy and you can do all you can. But actually, there's a whole load out there that's out of your control. You know, seasickness is one, but definitely the conditions and the weather or another.


And all we can do is hope that we respond to it as best we can and we're able to get through it for me, just I guess, not finishing.


And it's something that's out of our control, like stopping us from finishing. We've been preparing for this for nearly two years and to not finish. And in my mind, you know, we're trying to win the race. So I think that'll be the most kind of gutting thing. If something happens that's out of our control, it means that when we don't finish, that's probably my my biggest fear.


I think let's first focus on making it to Antigua in one piece altogether, OK? The winning thing that might happen, that be great records, whatever. Let's just all get you boys there. Dixon, you told me the story and I promises to be my last thing. But you don't have to finish with four people. If you're a former team, you don't necessarily maybe for the official results you do, but you don't have to finish all together.


You told the story of a recent edition where one of the guys got deathly ill and he just couldn't shake it. I don't know if it was seasick or whatnot and they had to call somebody and come pick him up, which probably took days to get there. But then at the same time, another guy just went batshit crazy and just like, get me out of here. This is the way I heard it. And the other two dudes. Right.


If that happens and two of you, I'll leave. I'm like, all right, well, I guess we're out, like, let's all go home. And these two guys looked at each other like, should we keep going? And they're like, yeah, fuck it, why not? And they kept going as as a two man team. So you don't I mean, you can keep going, which I don't know. I think I might use that as my excuse to get on back.


Yeah, no, you're exactly right. And that was so our team name is Latitude thirty five and there's a bit of a legacy of of two other latitude. Thirty five teams that have competed in this race before. And so you're talking about the twenty fifteen team. And so you're exactly right. There was one guy who got violently seasick and, and dehydrated to the point where he needed to be essentially medevacked off the boat and picked up by a support yacht.


And then one of the other teammates just decided that he didn't want to be there anymore. So he got off the boat and then left the two others hanging. And so the two others essentially had to make a call as to whether or not they wanted to continue or bale in the race. And to their credit, they pushed on and they they ended up rowing a four man boat, just two guys, and set the American record and doing doing so on about fifty five or so days.


So, yeah. And I also know one person in the world that they never talked to again, ever. You're dead to me. Right. This guy that just you know that I'm going to get out of here too. Like you just can't you're done. Yeah.


I mean I think you don't know until you know. But I got to say, I couldn't be more proud of this team. I mean, we have faced this this year has been hard as shit as far as I think everyone listening has felt to. And we've really come together as a team. And I really couldn't be more proud of of the. The three guys that are going to be rowing alongside me and sharing the cabins with me and I mean, I sure as hell know that if something comes up, there is no shot.


I'm leaving these boys behind. And I think they feel the same way. And it's where we're really excited and and just ready for for whatever comes at us. So hopefully nothing, nothing too terrifying, but now we're ready for it.


And Dixon, you and I were looking at this last year. You sent me the link. There's ways in it just I want to leave the audience with something because they're all going to be like, what am I going to check this out? So on either the side or maybe on some of your emails, I've gotten to to friends and family, there's maybe the app is there. How are we going to track? And it's funny, I was looking through the website and there's just the little rowboats, like in the middle of nowhere, and they're spread out everywhere.


These fucking boats are everywhere and now they're all naked. There's no naked stuff on the website. But so what is how do we direct people to the right place to go to to see how you guys doing? Yeah.


Thanks for asking. So you can you can download an app called YBE Races and enter in Talisker Wisky Atlantic Challenge twenty twenty. The app will be live about three days before the race. Our team name is Latitude thirty five, so it would be able to track us throughout the race. It will be updating every three to four hours. We have a team Instagram page at LAX Lati thirty five Atlantic Challenge twenty twenty. We'll be posting updates there and we have been now for about a year or so.


So for anyone listening, if they want to check out our Instagram page, aside from just tracking us, we'll be posting pictures, videos, just general updates there and then obviously tune into to the next podcast with you since since you've very nicely invited us back on in the weeks to come.


Yeah. And we'll include all that stuff in the in our social post as well. So but you can you upload images from the race? I mean, can you how does. I don't know how that it works out there, but are you able to update Instagram or all of these things, for example, out there. Yeah.


So so thanks to thanks to the sponsor Inmarsat that Jimmy mentioned. Jimmy, do you want to actually mention it because it's a group that you're closest to?


Yes, we work a lot with Inmarsat had been doing expeditions all over the world and they agreed to sponsor us and give us a dome, which actually sits on our boat and said we got 24/7 connectivity with the world to send and receive data. So it would be taking photos and videos and then uploading that into a cloud based system. And then actually one of my team, Polaris, is going to then manage our accounts for us. And we'll do the same deal on where Dicksons speaking about on the last thirty five Instagram and then also on the Pylorus website, we're going to have a track, IDAG with daily updates and we're going to do a bit of a blog and a feed of what's going on each day.


And General, how we're feeling and what we're experiencing.


I'm just just chuckling again, you're telling the story daily updates of photos. I go back to the neck and we'll keep clothes on for those ones. Lance, you on Instagram followers, by the way, here's for Dudes Row in the Atlantic next year.


And obviously send us some of those hats really quickly, which is where some of those.


Yeah, yeah. Some of these the you know, the Virginia. You just take a picture. This is a done. She's not going to be the best, most followed person.


I mean, so we do have we do have socks and shoes on.


So I need a drink. I swear to God I need a drink right now. Y'all are fucking legends and y'all are crazy too.


And I can't this is. Oh, God, I'm so impressed. And bunch of bad asses. Everybody out there. All right, everybody doing this hat's off to them. Best of luck. Be safe and and row, row. Row your boat, baby. I look forward to checking in, so thanks for coming on and I'll talk to you and I guess a week or so. Looking forward to it. Thanks for having us, Lance.