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You were listening to Uncommon Women on Red podcast. Did you know that women in India did not have the right to work as makeup artists in the movies to 2014, but one woman change that. Jaru Karana. Hello and welcome to Uncommon Women. I'm your host guy, Teranga Trisha, and I bring you inspiring stories of women breaking barriers to make the world a better place. Just society, but lovely to hear. One such woman is Shirou Carano. Jaru is a celebrated make up artist who has worked with Prime Minister Modi and former US President Barack Obama.

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But more importantly, she has fought for equality for the Women of India law. Women's Empowerment Ghiberti Mabahith got their child Chardonnay home subquality. Jaru, hello and welcome.

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Thank you for having me on the show. It's my pleasure to be a part to show Jiro Mudjimba time.

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November 14th, 2014 was such a historic day for you and for the women of India. Why is that?

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It is a very stark moment for me and for everybody else because I was able to be able to practice my profession after a long, long battle for almost 10 years, I had that, you know, a government support and legality to say that, yes, I can work as a bit of a makeup artist in the world, but it was then Kolhatkar, Mudjimba, Humsafar.

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But I you know, Bollywood, Lutalo, 60 years that women, beautiful makeup artist makeup comes off, that they were not allowed to do makeup on the set of movies. Whatever makeup they used to see on the movies was done by a member of the society. Women are not allowed to make up into what were doing this and this. That is was therefore almost 60 years, which is a very long time period. And you don't imagine if women were not allowed to do makeup, if they were not giving them a livelihood.

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We were not given recognition for the work. It was my bread and butter was the only thing which I knew and I was capable of doing it for me to get that right to practice. My profession was giving somebody gifted me a life.

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So on that day, there's you, of course, had taken your case to the Supreme Court and you won that case, right? For women to work as makeup artists in the movies. Mugga Hammie, some gigantic satire. You rule that fifty nine year old rule the women were not allowed to work as makeup artists in films. And what kind of a rule was this? Who had made this rule?

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It was listed under the tree that they think of the movie. You order basically lots of unions, but you have to be a part of it before getting into makeup industry. So then you wouldn't pick up another job as a makeup artist. You need to go to a makeup. If you want to work as a technician, you know, production that you need to be associated with the producer producer Thompson, so that different be cropped up, keeping it off bridgework and you job that you have to be a member of that to make up union meeting.

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Thirty women were not allowed to work as makeup artists, sort of dressing people under the Disco Jukin model. Show me one in some more than all the other doorman said, forget the fifteen minutes to our year by year.

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Do it ruined. Join Huni Union need your Binetti yet Belizaire he shall rule all this.

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This one of almost like sixty years old when they had read that bylaws and the constitution of the Union delegate the bylaws the right of center to upkeep eligibility Bollywood Mithaka people said hairdressers get matlab Jorgo.

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We'll sit up here. This is given an opportunity. Why do you have a deficit of Monastiraki to keep on them, huh?

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Wenko the Sultan Bombi Maranatha Bodleian production go down an that they've been staying in my doctor for more than 10 15 years.

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The people you think remember many of the people wanting to fit Apne Rule go. They call on you. Of course. I'm going to tell us your story of how this happened and what happened, your own experience when you went to work in Bollywood, but you fought this case and your case went to the Supreme Court on November 14th, 2014, just six years ago, you won this case. How did you feel? Jiru when when the Supreme Court read out its verdict in your favor in all women of all women's people?

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You seem to be very honest. I must forget about what you stand for because you've been struggling for almost ten years. Why? You know, there was a time when I was losing patience, when I was young, when this is going to get that, I won't be able to get that. Justice is my favorite. I'm not. There was always a question mark in my head. What? There was one for one three I should be able to achieve it.

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I'm going to ask you for something which is unconstitutional. I had that team that believed me. So and when the verdict was announced that, you know, women were allowed, I was only thanking God that, yes, I can save my son. OK, there you go. On this, I had a responsibility of all parents. I had a responsibility. I have two children. And without any savings, I was just thinking, what should I do?

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You know, there are books open, but I can read the paper.

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And you, of course, were six months pregnant, Jaru, when your case was was when you won your case, correct? When I did this. Yes. I was six months pregnant when the case got to the Supreme Court. I delivered my first day. And when the verdict came down, I delivered. I was about to deliver my second one. Yes. So that you can imagine, you know, how stressful was that these days, you know, when you were pregnant with big stomach, without any statements, without any bank balance.

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And you just that. And when they a guarantee that some last two to three years, nobody was giving you employment because I was a woman, I look deprived of my livelihood once, you know, when people were not engaging my services, knowing that I was in the middle of the thing that know the problem proposition, something will get stuck for me. I know those open for my said what to do. It's not easy to start your life over and over again and again right now.

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Growing up, Jiru tell us about you said did you ever think you would be such a crusader for gender equality?

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When I was growing up, never, I never thought, I never thought something like this, you know, I will have face in my life when it came to me the shop, you know, makeup is something which anybody or everybody needs need to be investing. We make up the women. So I never thought that would be such kind of fun. And this era of time where women were not allowed to do for me feel like a big shock.

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And I was and I used to it so but I was very young then that night I was like, honey, you know, twenty five, twenty six. Realizing that, you know, this is a by law we just passed by a government bond. You just did that for me. All these things will come as a shock to you women. I will not be allowed to practice it when we talk about civil rights, when you talk about fundamental rights, these things and what's reality may exist on the Greek question.

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But from right going through the borders, you know you know, when you prove to you you think you're not asking for anything unconstitutional, you're asking for something very constitution. You're just asking that you should have the right to work and that vote in a dignified manner. So it wasn't something which is asking too much out of the box. I was asking something that I want to on my bread and butter. This is my school. This is what I know.

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And this is what I want to practice. What some is doing that I mean, stopping me of doing that. I had no support system. I completely lost. Going to go. Jaru, tell us a little bit about yourself up carhop, but we got better. We all up to three Kahani up needs in the gig economy. But there, you know, where did you how did you decide to become a makeup artist?

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Singer was born and brought up in 2011. The kids at the salon, the first time I did, you know, next door with this girl, like, you know, big shit big now. But I think that was my next. And then things shifted to the one I studied in Delhi. And, you know, there might be some correspondence. I did. And my family was not a very good family. It's a very middle class, very next door family with limited sources and nice upbringing been so very mentally strong and they always have to give it up, will be gone through, if I could speak a little bit and anything which would bring your eyes down in front of us.

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So I want to value STEM. I want people, other children to be finances. They need more other things that maybe I'm looking to be learning. We only have to plan expenses this month. I do you think that the next six months about using take this money, you got me on stage and we have limited resources and it's limited tools. Me, when you know things are getting the details are fine and were going through a financial crisis also at that time.

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I want you to support my family. And I was very young that the seventeen and the passing of my family's finances will not very well say let's contribute towards a little bit of family support. So I think it's been adopted and then picked up, as Jonathan said. And so this was my job, and unfortunately, I expedients still not I do not take sexual harassment, but yes, you know, when you're driving in the bus, when you're commuting to buses and all of that, you know, many, so many too many people without it being people, you know, people that you control position.

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So you were uncomfortable about that. And then that was the day when I decided that I do want to do it. I want to do something of my own work on. Come on. But, you know, it should be a safe environment to work for and you should not be stressed. So then I thought, OK, let's say you have options and all that. And I started looking back on it and slowly and steadily, I guess all my moms make up what she has, what she you know, what she was.

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And so I came across that she had potential breasts. I do a lot of different situations and some nights, but and she had nightmares that not too much stuff and stuff and good quality. And it was in a perfectly good condition. Probably she had not been sick for twenty, twenty five years and was in a good intact condition when I started using it all the time. But then I started using it on my eyes and probably did look better on the shelf, but they dress up later on tonight.

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So I did it for myself and I met one of my friends. So she said, you know, I'm going to sort of party. Can you do that eyeliner for me when I know what you're wearing? I said, yes, I know. And I thought you two have to be for that. And she agreed on that that you came to. And that was the start of my career. Then I thought, OK, if I can, OK, money, you know, doing well at my own comfort level, at my own leisure time.

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And it is artistic and it's playing with colors and just job satisfaction for me for. So why not try this as adults. So then I decided that I would try and make up to work at that time was I'm not sure what it's it's busted enough and I it has different activities and so on. It does walking in the media, it has fashion short and a lot of slowly and steadily, you know, you don't think about options. What do I want to walk in the salon or do I want to work?

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And then, you know, as an individual, the make of the scene, that's makeup artist all. Why do you want to take up a job at some night international brand associated with that? So they started out looking out for offices. What does that mean? And that's how I got into it.

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And then, of course, eventually you ended up, you know, studying, doing a makeup course, opening a salon. And Sebag, both a local municipality, ended up shutting that down. And then you decided that you would go for further studies. Right. So tell us about that. Right. And what happened after that and how then you moved to Bombay to work in Bollywood from 2008 financial crisis?

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I have wanted to do something to support my family. There was no money after my brother's wedding. We were like totally bankrupt. There was a time when we didn't have even employees in the house. And so then I would say members and not having them to be imagine how difficult it was I wanted to make up. And initially I never thought that I would get to Bollywood or I just wanted to earn money to live and worked in a salon for one and a half year at the minimum services like this.

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And after that, you know, that was out on each other. But we were not in the electricity and, you know, bring food on the table. So then I thought, what makes working for somebody else will not be I don't want to do something and get a feel that wants to go. Did one or two go mushroom that? And when I was shooting for those ads, do you see commotions people from the union to the Madam, your God?

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Then I showed them my business getting the chance to make a purchase. This is madam, not you wanting membership. And so what is this membership? This imbalance. We want to work in the Bollywood industry up. You said, OK, I'm a gentleman, but that is one element I cannot think of. But as I said, right at the bottom of my forehead, you will not even to to my mind are similar to the Russian government will allow me to visit us.

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I mean, God, that was the only. Excuse me. How is this possible? The signal, madam, this is a single payer system would come to London. I wanted to put that. I don't get my. So what wasn't real? What are you doing? Me, the 50 million people sent up, 50 percent say they want me to jump get them to come for me. I will not step on this scale, but I need to go pick up the credit, will go to the members of the union.

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So he would be delighted.

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You did all the hard work jiru him and you had to split your salary half way to give it to them to split. Yes, I had to split my salary. That was the only way that I was able to bring that money in front of my parents. And I had no other option, which I would not and I didn't have any other degree. I started out as young, 17, 18, and I did. And I you know, that was one of those people who knew I had to compromise.

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I have to compromise Chulo Jesse desiccant, do whatever little I'm getting. Let me look like this would amount to two years when he took just of a hiccup and then you decided to go to L.A.. Right. Jiru to study special effects me go and I then each time you know that reading though you not going to read the same. And so even would he's saving up to saving some decent amount. I don't know, you know I thought work like that know it's difficult, it's humiliating.

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Once you know when somebody is give us that and we just sit back and let the you know, why is you coming and working conditions being broken up and somebody with the artist needs to get into digital. We want to look her hand is different and the system is different. So I just want to make you still bring me up. You know, why don't I walk away from the practice profession? So I signed my back, so I shifted a bit.

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And the ticket, which then let's not get into the entertainment industry. Let's get get my personal life of us. And honestly, I don't I get into more and, you know, body makeup and other salon services people, regardless of what they have been, because I thought I understood that I gave my godmother three years to learn about the show so that, you know, because no business gets you've got to do what you have to you know, the break even point comes up a lot of hard work, patience and consistency for them.

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So I look forward to the years and after the fourth year when I was about to, you know, give them the policy changed. You were not allowed to do commercial activities in Jamaica. And I would like to see that. I think what to do now. Do I think on my they do not seem to think that he was not willing to let the people in the last thing come to the breaking point, then the government policy changed that you drove back to the hair salon after four years, after four years.

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And once that was shut down, now, again, what to do, which industry to go for, where to work for? No, you know, I you come back to me. You don't mean to you know that you you will prevent the with standard of working will definitely improve. And all the ideas and the level of, you know, I'll put what is required you to deliver. It has also increased another 100000 and will to keep warm is still in there.

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You know what time it is. Not a lot of time, not once to make a lot of educated people, a lot of women producers out there for like nothing in my mind. I had assumed that women will be allowed to do a couple of some places. What year was this when you thought that, you know, things would improve? 2006, 2007. So I thought, you're not going to pick up anything. You need better skills.

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You need to improve your standard. Education means you work with the same. I didn't think so. I guess Jenner said that they will not be schools in India where you could learn you don't make up, they will not make up artist to get under Markowski. So no, then I was already practicing today, but speaking to medical professionals. This is what my passion. This is what I want to do. Let's go to school in London. Did searches and everything was finalized.

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The school, that's all, which was in early cinema. That's the first steps that do I to take the house and go back to. So some people will say this announcement at the moment, so ultimately I have to set up my mom. I said, Mama, you make a career out of living and then we will start a life once again. This is very important for me to study and improve my skills, improve my knowledge, and then come back with the better skills and start working in.

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The industry was more of school. Which begs the other question about money and each of the things that you would say that you look at equipment, something better than, you know, facing the chance of whatever money and leftover the picks up, anything, you know. But I thought there was no money, not even a little bit in the bag. No, we got lucky plastic. When I come back, I totally get it. Now, I'm going to go from being a model to work and start work.

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And luckily it happened. I was also the project with the stick up and I was about to do special effects. Seagate was getting an opportunity because they don't know. I don't make that. But now my dad want to improve and those bad things with no more in my life. And I didn't stop at these once again and stuff like that to be for more 30 days, no longer on the twenty first day because of the decision this incredible in the shooting would stop.

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So try to explain to us when they read a sentence, when they stop this, what do they do? They come on the set and they what do they do? They come a day when they say they don't step off. And they started shooting back this week. So everybody stands to that. Cameraman is not warning their doctors, not giving direction. Everybody is a standstill because it's so powerful that if any non members. What do you want to say then?

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The other thing the staff will not want or need a member who is members of the unit is allowed to walk on the set. But I imagine that, you know, I talked not a shock to me. I think you're still having so many of the people to thank you for letting me come back to town with the Fourth Amendment. So I thought that would be beneficial. My brother used to live in government. So, you know, I said no of the Stargate I have about the group that I'm staying with my brother.

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I have a bank account. You make me a member. At that point, it came to me that women were not allowed to be a makeup artist, only men and women, irrespective of what I learned on the scene. Now you're a female. You will not.

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So let me let me explain this. That means that eligible bumbag IP you had thought it was about not being a long term resident of Maharashtra, and that's why they were disrupting your work on the set after you came back and you had actually proven that, you know, you had you know, you had this Daniel residency in Bombay. Let's see. Then you realized that it was because you were a woman that you were not allowed to work as a makeup artist.

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Yes.

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And then then I was in the shop with that, that this existed for almost fifty nine sixty years, for fifty nine to sixty hours. No women had nine years.

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No women were allowed to get into makeup. I know that. You know I was you did I. I was responsible. All my savings were gone. I need you to make up and the best of the skills you know I put up and I thank you so much. Back to the industry now. You know, instead of calling me for makeup artist, the special effects and prosthetics and everything, and I have those skills and knowledge to deliver that great.

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But I will not allow to do it because I was semen and then not the because I said, OK, now how to proceed. Then I thought again, I have to do the same thing to me. I wanted to present them and work. And this time the amount of time was twenty five thousand twenty five thousand rupees a day. Twenty five thousand rupees sign for the fine. That was a fine. You have to pay for the fine by the union on that.

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And I also think took it as a child. There was no receipt given to me. They took it as a donation. Twenty five thousand rupees because of what of the Milwaukee orders set. Most of the time I had no other option. We won in between. It was not, I think was the beginning of the movie. The look was decided. The character was already in that particular set up and. So I do know that somebody who can just take it over, I had to like and he said to I could finish that project, so I agreed that I would be the most incompetent.

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Now, what next? I had all of those things and on the financial back up, whatever savings of that was gone. And now the we house and they are going to the price of my bread and butter. So, you know, you can't fight any battles that you need. But if you even if it is a legal battle, nobody will entertain. You do have the finances. You will fight them to get basic finances, you know, going to the police station, fighting and fighting that commuting, going to a taxi, going to, you know, going to national mincome said you need a little bank balance, you know, to sustain for a couple of days, for a couple of months.

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Right. Or bracing for that. You know, I had to do was to present somebody else on the set. And I used to do makeup, hiding in the gutter, but sometimes hiding in the hotel room and making sure that somebody else you present and get some critics of my work. I was OK with that, you know, like that piece of me, that that house to live in that house to pay the rent for that house was very important.

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So I wasn't sure what to do. In fact, I'm to buy whatever little money I am making let we need that. So we had no other choice, even if it was what to do with that, you know, opposing coming in my shed, I had to do it for deposit. So I did that. And then I had to say, look, peace of mind that I'm lending like you, but somewhat emotionally draining, mostly draining.

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And I used to live by this. Who are the people who got elected such or who are these members of the union where, you know, the mother body, the federation, they used to always think I think people educated. Which one are they living in? Which a lot of independent. So, you know, maybe walking in the US, you understand that the principles and then to go to make up the motherland think the should you understand the system you stimulus and understanding takes about a year and a half.

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What is the legal system. Who is on the who was, you know, executing the new laws and where these laws did you know the legality of the situation and the circumstances and the violence? It took me one one on one percent. So then I thought, OK, you know, now it is enough. We be hiding and walking under. Somebody's going to understand that it did my fundamental right to look at something or this is unconstitutional. I've been practicing law for so many years, I thought I would join in the case for myself.

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The initial thought was that I would make it better for myself. I will hard. Right. And then I started writing letters and I thought all communication will continue. They will have documentation. You know, when you go to the police station instead of a building, they will ask you for documentation. I think I think there will be other forms of Catholic with other property and then it has to be a long process. Everything was written to National then this school, you know, the National Women's Commission involving 62 in the euro to apply some Polycarp, I had to tell everyone because it a basically say motherhood's we have a and then we have it in Bombay, we have it in Canada, but we haven't signed up to be able to put everybody knows things like this on constitution is happening, but nobody was ready to support.

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Nobody was saying, you know, we can bring the change. I spoke to the friend who sat down to speak to their offices that say that, you know, producer, a producer has a right to say that, you know, who's going to walk on the set. So I said I spoke to them once, why don't we change this law? Why can't we do something for the betterment? But they were not getting if they were, it was not in that it was will we were not able to put up.

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So it was very easy to replace a makeup artist. A makeup artist is a technician who can do deliver what they do. So it can be a little bit beneath him, a few months from, you know, the one thing you should be the problem when you look at the numbers. And that's the thing, of course, is costing them goes up. I want to make a buck by this time. It's like problem almost a up. It's a little bit at you need to be working to Excavates and.

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Will be included that the active on Tuesday evening. I don't think we saw it wasn't affected then by people. It was only affecting the two. Did you not find help any from anyone from any quarter in the in any of these industries, film industries around the country? There was only and it will still have taken my to welcome of you of this is unconstitutional to fight in the court to speak up. But then we any need what doesn't. Right.

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Only want you know, and you need to stand and stand, you need to compromise on something. You need to compromise on the money that was in the production, except that was standing up it like that. So I'm going to stand for that notion of building issues, dealing with people, nobody with the need to compromise if it is affecting you too much financially, even I am not able to give my mother Jaru yet.

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You didn't give up Upwey or similar. And, you know, because I know that you even went to the police station in Bombay and they told you, madam, you please go home. You are a woman. Why do you want to take on such powerful unions? So how did you find the courage and continue when you were getting no support from anywhere outside of that? It becomes so difficult if your heart is in your you. There's no reason that you will see I don't want my makeup.

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I only want to do a good job. I wanted one and I wanted to live a life of dignity. And, you know, when I was facing all these doctors and these legal precedent, were they going to buy me over that? You can read it was galactosemia. Am I doing something unconstitutional? Am I demanding something? Now, I answer these questions to my son. And also, did he many companies come here, many more than in many cases.

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In many cases. What you got a minute. I was really working hard to get in bottom and just wanted me to focus a lot on what do you think? What am I asking? Get people. Which one are you living here? Is it really needed that will increase and he will support me either by it, no matter what is the reason might take my money and maybe they don't have time. But I'm that one who is the point of it made me sort of like a responsible citizen.

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But I'm not the man to go on forever. The people people who are like so well and more powerful in the industry, they actually feel that they cannot stand. Only one or two of them was really supporting motion. I would not leave an opportunity to tell them that I'm associated with all of that or pick them up with it. But most of the people are not there to support the ways of the government. But then and then I don't think a bit more back sitting at home didn't have opportunity to work.

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I'm asking to do something unconstitutional to you're not on your life. To earn a living is how you can make up that much. You and you know, it is an artistic skill. You need you don't need a certification. It is an art form is expected with it and you don't need a formal training. So this is how this people who can beat any campus right now looking like you made it easy for you. Now all of it. Can I change this year?

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Nineteen ninety changed. And that was the reason because I wanted people to support me on the planet and my family. Sometimes it's just so insulting. And I think that you have a nice education and we need to fight. But I think it takes a lot of space, a lot of patience. But my product was a consistent Yukino. I think we can go far, far, far.

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And that's exactly what you proved, Jaru. You approach the National Commission of Women. They helped you. You had a wonderful lawyer who take up you took your case, my case and the national commission and to the Supreme Court. It took me six long years, six long national commission. And to fight a case in the Supreme Court getting it took me three years after the Peace Corps. And I believe that you never missed a day in court. You showed up for every hearing I.

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I so not every day. You know, when I went over the line, I offer my lines of my delivery until after the court hearing, so I make sure that I didn't see what is up. I was in the Supreme Court to do that. And, you know, when they just you get another day to get another day, get any relief. This is very frustrating to wait outside the courtroom with a big stomach and we're meeting in the sun waiting for what is happening, what next?

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You know, judgment is going to come. It was very stressful, but luckily and then blessed and thankful for my soul and my soul will follow that they supported me to bring a change of thought. You will get lucky they didn't put it to you. Now, isn't that I will keep that up. When you look at this poll, isn't it a collected that you will make for opponents and millions of women in the in the coming century to get into this this that is really open door?

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That's really remarkable and fantastic, Jaru. And honestly, you know, the whole or everybody should be applauding your fight because I'm sure it must have been deeply frustrating. But you stuck with it. Yes, I'm stuck with. And now, you know, now I see a lot more responsibility that we are after winning this win over the verdict in my favor, I feel like I need to fight more. There are so many issues we need to, you know, to look forward now.

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Then, you know, after the verdict was finalized in my favor, that would not have imposed a hefty amount of what life would be for anybody to let them participate in the union.

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The union fee that initially you'll see sponsored that you see we are community members on the economic benefits. You see, we're not talking you don't look in this blog, but I ask you to take on that money to see it. And I want to work I want to fight for that piece. You know, that is my it really shakes up. And I think, you know, I know that I have that money to pay for my education. I didn't have money, how I studied, how I sold my assets, how come it's happened.

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But now I told people they don't have that kind of money to fight it, but they can get one in New England, which is on the Lower East Side, to oppose the damages. I mean, some jail to our listeners. You are seeing that tomorrow. If I want to work as a makeup artist, as a woman in there, or even as a as a man to have to fire in the movies, I have to first join the union without joining the union.

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And joining the union means one like rupee's you have to be get all dressed up.

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If you want to do more, then you have to give up. Oh, so poor hairdressing and makeup, it becomes too like rupee's to join with such.

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It took me a month joining me now. This is discrimination. We are every time we are always fighting for our destiny. So I it is a discrimination something. It is like, you know, you are not letting a lot of people who the fray. This is all discrimination. They write about individual on the line, you only putting it in the hands of people who have that kind of money to I mean, not creating discrimination on the way out.

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I mean, we need to fight all these causes. Right.

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So that's your next battle. I can see it. I can see it. I can see you taking this on Chaillu for the for all the young men and women who want to work as make up and hairdressing hairdressers and the movie business. And Jaru, I would like to now ask you some other questions which shift away from your battle with the, you know, to this monumental battle that you waged and won, which is what was it like to do the make up of Prime Minister Modi and former US President Barack Obama, such huge world figures?

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What was that like? I was, you know, so much struggle, you know, that was like to, you know, what's the window of opportunity? Basically, it's OK, but working with such esteem because of people like adults. And I think it has been, you know, looking and getting getting associated with such known figures, it was like a blessing to and I was very fortunate to work. And when I met Mr. Modi and during that, then the people used to do something and I thought that's that something like this is the and it's happening.

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And they know I'm fighting a legal battle. And he said, you know, you should believe in the Constitution, that they will win the back and that works for them. You know, it was such a morale boost for me and it's such an honor also because I know wonderful, amazing feeling for me. Then I thought, you know, to make up that I like that I so. Dustin Whitaker, I love that I know that are genuine people, you know, who would like to hire myself.

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That is a wonderful note on which to end. Jiru I you know, I think that that's something that we all can agree on. And I think that it's so important to thank you for the battle that you waged on behalf of all the women of this country. It's a landmark judgment that you fought for and won. It's remarkable that it was only just six years ago that this happened. It's kind of unfathomable. We can't even believe. And a rule to put on is a Kagiso rule, still only twenty fourteen.

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So I thank you so much for all that you've done for the women of this country. Thank you for having me on the show.

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But that was Jaru Karana talking about her uphill but ultimately successful fight for women to be able to work as makeup artists in the Indian film industry. She shows us the importance of never giving up, even in the face of difficult odds. Tune in next week for another episode of Uncommon Women. With Me, Guide three Runga.

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