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A crisis at the border, a crisis within the borders, civil unrest all over the country, and we are lucky enough to have taken a little bit of time out of the day of the man who has to deal with all of it. The acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Chad. Wolf, this is a verdict with Ted Cruz.
Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz, I am joined, as always, by Senator Ted Cruz. And Mr. Secretary, thank you so much for taking the time out. I know you're very busy, but certainly a pleasure. Thank you for having me.
So is there anything to talk about? I think there are a few things.
But the world's on fire. The world is on fire. And, Mr. Secretary, you've got to deal with a lot of it. Let's begin all the way on the West Coast. In Portland, there has been violence, civil unrest and has fallen on you to deal with it.
Absolutely. What we see in Portland, as I talked about probably over the last several weeks, is very different than what we see anywhere else in the country. We have a community that has fostered an environment of violence in Portland. This goes back to twenty eighteen where we had an ICE facility, a DHS facility set siege to for about twenty eight days, for twenty eight days. The local law enforcement didn't do anything to help our employees.
So there's a there's a history, if I remember right, the mayor, Ted Wheeler, who is also the commissioner of police, he announced at the time when when the ICE facility was was under assault that the police wouldn't protect it. That's correct. That's correct. And what did that mean? So so let's go back to because there's a history here that sets the stage. So they're attacking the ice facility. Mayor says police, forget it. You don't get police protection.
So what happened then?
So it took about twenty eight days and we had to send in federal law enforcement officers. We had to send in a contingent of DHS officers. But we also had some DOJ officers, some marshals and others that went in, provided the egress, entry and exit from that facility to get our employees back and forth, make sure that facility was protected, where there were weapons in the facility, just to make sure it was secure. And then we had those individuals.
There was was there violence that there were Molotov cocktails thrown at the facility? It was damaged. It was vandalized. They did not get inside, luckily, but the outside was vandalized.
So fast forward to now what exactly is happening in Portland? I guess there's a federal courthouse and a federal building, is that right? There are two places in particular that where the conflict is. Right.
So we've got about five federal facilities in Portland. There is the Mark Hatfield federal courthouse, which is where 95 percent of the violence has taken place.
And that's a working courthouse. Like right now. There are cases going on in the courthouse today. There is a grand jury in the courthouse today.
And we are being told, though, that the violent protests there actually just peaceful demonstrations that are happening at this courthouse. What's the real story?
Well, there's both. So what we see is we see peaceful protesting so that we go all the way back to the George Floyd death, which is really when all this started in Portland. We see very peaceful protests every day. So for 60 days, we see peaceful protests usually occur between six and seven o'clock at night and they run to about 11 o'clock at night. And then there's a small break in about how many people are we talking?
Typically, we see several hundred, several hundred peaceful protests, their speeches being made. ACLU is out there. There's a variety of different groups out there that does not make the media.
That doesn't you know, I remember a period during the whole Seattle Chaz Chud.
I couldn't keep up with the new shop. We've been calling it the Soviet Union. But there are other names that have. But but during that whole thing in Seattle, I remember I think I commented on on Twitter that that Portland was quite peaceful while Seattle was had this autonomous zone. And it was like, wow, when when Portland thinks you're you're doing a bad job in law enforcement, you've really taken a bad turn. And it seems after the Chaz Chop, whatever was disbanded, that's that seems to be about the time Portland got a lot worse.
Yeah. What we saw over the course of June was progressively getting more and more violent. We started sending Federal Protective Service officers to that courthouse to to provide some additional support. What is the Federal Protective Service officer? What does that mean? So Federal Protective Service is a component of the Department of Homeland Security. They secure about 9000, almost 9000 federal facilities, mostly owned by GSA. These are federal facilities. So these are not only enforcement officers that are protecting federal buildings.
So it's courthouses, but it's also maybe your Social Security administration is there. It's where federal benefits are exercised in any given city state. They are protecting those buildings. And they largely do that with a contract force, but they also have federal officers.
So in Portland, I guess there's there's a long history of violence against federal buildings. Obviously, Ted Kaczynski blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma, which was horrific. And I mean that this is not a new threat, anything.
It's not anything at all. In fact, under the last administration and Secretary Johnson, DHS secretary, deployed federal resources to federal facilities because of certain demonstrations in Baltimore after Freddie Gray's death, he deployed additional resources there because there was violence directed at federal facilities. So this is nothing new. We do this all the time at the department. It's only now getting certain attention.
You know, we've been told also and I think you've drawn a good distinction here between the peaceful protesters and then these violent and. It has to show up at night. We've been told, though, this is a grassroots movement, a sort of spontaneous uprising. You think it's organized?
Oh, absolutely. It's absolutely organized. So, again, we come back. So for 60 nights in a row, we saw between midnight and 5:00 a.m., these are violent individuals, violent criminals, violent opportunists, violent anarchists. How many are we talking? Anywhere from 500 at the height to about 5000. So these are 5000 individuals that are outside of a courthouse. We had to put up temporary fencing. They took it down, they lit it on fire, and they barricaded our folks inside the courthouse very, very dangerous.
So we reinforced the fencing. It did help. But you have violent individuals approaching that fence line every night. They stage in a park city park to city parks across the street they staged there. They use city streets to come to that facility and then they will stay there for several hours while the city police, the state police, did nothing.
Well, this brings up an important question, too, which is a lot of the people who are defending these anarchists are saying that the federal government has no right to go and arrest them if they leave the federal property and they go on to city property.
So, again, just inaccurate information. They just don't know what they're talking about.
So 40 years ago, I can't believe that. No, nobody in politics would ever say something if they didn't know what they were.
Just so you know, the US Congress passed by Congress statute gives us the ability not only to protect our facilities, but to investigate and arrest individuals that we see that are damaging our facilities off property. So this idea that you can damage a federal facility and then step across the road and say, sorry, you can't touch me, it's very similar to if someone walked up to the United States Capitol, tried to burn the Capitol down and step across the street and say, sorry, you can't touch me.
It's not how you say that would work.
It would not work, could not get it done. No ideas anymore. Not work.
And that's what really we were up against for 60 days in Portland. So you have to hold individuals accountable. So DHS, along with the Marshal Service, started making arrest because state and local law enforcement refused to.
So how much violence are we talking about? Is this one guy taking a swing at somebody? I mean I mean, what help people understand when actually you see kind of images online, you see some fires and people pull it on fences. But what's what's really going on?
I say initially I would say the most I would say less violent that you would see would be bricks being thrown at law enforcement officers. That's the least fun. That's the least violent bricks you see frozen water bottles, anything that's hard, hard canned food you see being thrown at law enforcement officers as they come out and try to protect the facility, it then starts to ratchet up. We've seen Molotov cocktails. Officers have taken sledgehammers to the head. We see IEDs being thrown at them.
You're saying people are hitting police officers in the head with sledgehammers? Correct. How many officers have been injured during the course?
Support for DHS? We've had over two hundred and forty seven different injuries to law enforcement officers, about over a hundred.
And that's just Portland. That's just Portland. Holy crap. It's just Portland. Two hundred and forty seven different injuries to law enforcement officers.
About over a hundred officers have individually been injured.
And Portland, by the way, is not the only site of this violence. We've been seeing it in other cities as well.
We see a little different violence in different cities, whether it's Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, even Seattle. That's more street crime. There is some some organized violence as well. But Portland is very different than any other city. We've seen. As I indicated, thousands of folks every night for sixty days come to a fence line around a federal courthouse and want to burn it down.
There's graffiti all along, but what are they doing with lasers? I mean, that's that's harmless, right? That's just a pointer. Like, it's not at all. They there's some pretty powerful lasers they're using. So as the law enforcement officers come out of the building to protect it, they will shine the green lasers in their eyes. And unfortunately, we have about three officers that are going to have some probably permanent damage.
When you say permanent damage, they're facing partial or total blunt.
We're waiting for medical to come back. But that's that's what we're hearing at the moment. Yes.
OK, so it's not I mean, I can see people thinking, oh, you know, I play with a pointer at home and my cat chases it. That's that's that's not it. If they are aiming real and powerful laser at at the eyeballs of officers and you've got three who are seriously injured. We do.
So we've taken corrective measures. We've given them some eyewear that protects against that. But this is a new tactic from these individuals that we have first seen here in Portland.
And I guess one of the challenges is a lot of these guys are dressed in all black. They're wearing goggles, are wearing a mask. And so if you have someone throw a brick and it hits an officer and he's bleeding, you have someone point a laser in it, it blinds an officer. You can't always tell who did it. I mean, they're all dressed the same.
I mean, is that part of what they're trying to do?
Absolutely. It's very difficult. And they do that on purpose. And they we see tactics that they use that are very similar to law enforcement. They try to obscure their movements. They do a number of different things that make it difficult for law enforcement to engage with them. Now we have our own tactics. We are able to identify certain individuals that are lighting fires, the. We've seen barbecues being tossed over the fence, they're on fire like a barbecue grill.
Yeah, like a like a Weber Grill. Yeah, tossed over like that.
Do they at least put burgers? Something tells me they're not that courteous. We see mortar style, green tofu.
They would have burgers today. That really I got to say in Texas, those are fighting words. If you throw a barbecue with nothing but tofu and veggie burgers, it's just root.
It is just that's the only thing that commercial grade fireworks are being thrown. And so as those explode several inches from officers, it can become very, very dangerous.
They get burnt.
They get this is not somebody lighting a black cat like a mortar style firework.
They get shot from across the street, inside the park, into the into the facility.
Mr. Secretary, the scene that you are describing and I think the scene that a lot of us have seen on television is one that we would expect in a foreign country in the Middle East or in a war zone. This is not the sort of thing we would expect within the borders of the United States. Absolutely. And I've been saying that for almost over a month now, that the violence that we see in Portland, people have to understand it's not a few protesters who are getting angry and deciding to bang on a fence.
These are violent individuals that are organized. They have supply lines. This is this is an organized entity here that is doing this. And unfortunately, despite our request, we have state and local law enforcement up until recently for 60 days, refused to engage these folks or the cops behaving differently. Now, are they politicians let them actually do their job. They have.
So at the middle of July, I want to say I place phone calls to the mayor of Portland as well as to the governor of Oregon. And I basically put any any resource at the department at their hands, you know, for them as they address the violence, they had the full resources of the department. Their response was, no, thank you. And please leave Portland, which of course, we didn't do. And if you'd left Portland, what would have happened?
The facility would have burned. The courthouse would have burned. So you're saying what what the mayor and governor were saying is just abandon the federal court. Absolutely. And let the mob burn the courthouse to the ground. That's that was their request of me.
Well, you know, this ties into the same strategy we've heard from the same people on the international front, which is don't enforce our border with Mexico, allow the border to be totally open, allow people to come in. And DHS has been a particular object of those criticisms.
What is DHS? It's a pretty new new agency. What all falls within the umbrella? There's a lot DHS.
So we have about 240000 employees across the enterprise. Are you all the biggest civilian agency? So other than DOD, I believe the Veterans Administration is a little bit bigger. Interesting, just from a pure size standpoint. So within the department, we do everything from aviation security. So the commercial checkpoint security that you see as you get on commercial aircraft with TSA, TSA. So TSA reports to TSA, Customs and Border Protection so we can talk about border security there, certainly along that border.
You know, when they do the groping at the stands, it'd be really good if they could just do the lower back. Or is that an official request? I mean, I'm like, look, if you're going to get it, I got a sore muscle down there.
Well, they got to they have to continue to do their job. I say thank you to them every time I'm diplomatic.
And, you know, as long as we don't have any incidents in the skies, I'm happy that Customs and Border Protection, ICE, Immigration, Customs Enforcement is also inside the department USCIS.
So what's the difference between Customs and Border Protection and ICE? Sure.
CBP, Customs, we work for mainly protecting our border, southwest border, northern border border.
So those are the guys in green. They're not there in the Rio Grande. They're absolutely they're not only the men and women in green, but they're also in blue. So as you come to a port of entry and you're legally coming to the US, you're going to have to go through several officers and go through a process. So they do not only legal but illegal entry into the US.
OK, so that's CBP. And ICE is what ICE is Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.
So these are the individuals we have both ICRA, which is our removal operations. So these are individuals that will go into communities, identify criminals, identify other individuals that have no legal right to be in the US and remove them.
We also have Homeland Security MS 13 gang members. If you've got ICE officers going in, arresting them and some of these guys can be pretty violent, very, very dangerous, very dangerous.
The large majority of, I would say targets that we get are actually from individual jails and court and courthouses. So it's individuals that are probably have gotten picked up on another criminal charge, come to find out they're illegally here in the US. We would then go in, you know, ascertain them and then start removing them. There are now widespread calls among one political party to abolish that entire enforcement agency.
So it's not just the removal operations. We have Homeland Security investigations, which just transnational criminal organizations, drug trafficking, they do a variety of national security missions that are part of ice. So part of what they want to abolish are criminal investigators protecting communities from a varied variety of threats.
So I think it's an interesting arc of development because a couple of years ago, the Democrats seized upon abolish ice. I mean, it started with AOC. It started off with a few kind of fringe characters, and then it expanded. And and some of what you guys faced in Portland with Ted Wheeler refusing to to protect the ICE facilities was a manifestation back then that they were saying get rid of ice that's now transmogrified into abolish all police, that it's not just ice that, but it's it's anyone with a badge and a gun is apparently now the bad guy.
What? So Nancy Pelosi has called your officers storm troopers.
Yes. What do you what do you make of that? Well, she's not only called them storm troopers, I have heard them referred to as the Gestapo or thugs as well, completely irresponsible comments. I've called on each of those members of Congress that have said those terms to apologize to the men and women of DHS. These are civil law enforcement officers, get up every day, put on a badge, put on a uniform, protect their communities. These are cops.
They're federal cops, but they're their law enforcement officers protecting us. Absolutely they do.
They go to training. They establish they have procedures that they follow. They have authorities that they follow. And to call them storm troopers to invoke that kind of imagery is just shameful.
And for the record, is an arrest, a kidnapping? Because that's the language they're saying is apparently you're now kidnappers. Yeah.
So it's again, I think it's individuals that don't understand what our mission is. So they're in Portland because you did not have state or you didn't have local law enforcement making arrest night after night after night. Hundreds of individuals are committing criminal acts with no consequence. And DHS said, well, we can't have that. That's not how law enforcement works. So we have the ability to go out and arrest individuals. And we started doing that within a two to three block radius of the courthouse.
And then that's when, you know, a number of individuals said, well, how can you do that? How can you arrest individuals? Well, they are committing criminal acts. That's how you arrest individuals.
You're making this point about Nancy Pelosi and a lot of other Democrats in the House. It's an election year. They're tightening up the rhetoric they're going after, abolish ice, abolish law enforcement. But there's another very hot political issue that they're also talking about, which is immigration, illegal immigration, the border. This was a central plank when President Trump was running for office. What's the situation down there on the border wall, on enforcement, on on making sure our country secure?
Is there a wall?
Absolutely. Absolutely. We just eclipsed about two hundred and sixty five miles of the new border wall system under President Trump.
So so there was a wall to begin with. We had several hundred walls, several hundred miles of wall initially, and we built about 200 more.
Is that I would say initially as we came in, we had different forms of fencing, some of it about six feet tall, some of it maybe up to eight feet tall, maybe easily scalable, easily defeated, no impedance in denial there. Any type of barrier. What you want for our border patrol, the men and women in green on the border, they want something that's going to stop an individual or at least slow them down. So that's the impedance and denial aspect of coming into the country illegally.
The bigger the barrier, the more effective the barrier, the easier it is for them to do their job. What we saw with six foot high wall, you could scale it, you could be over, disappear. Very difficult for border patrol, do their job. The new border wall system that we're building in many cases is 30 feet high. It has ground sensors, says lighting, it has radar. It has a number of things that if you can if you can defeat it, very difficult to if you can defeat it.
You have Border Patrol waiting on you as you get to the other side of that of that border wall system.
All right. So I got to tell a story, Michael. I spent a lot of time with CBP in Texas. They're incredible men and women. And several years ago, I joined them down in Rio Grande Valley for their midnight muster and then went out on midnight patrol with which which is very cold. So we're going out and they arrested a number of people. And so they go into this one stash house that's probably 200 yards in from the river.
Yeah. And they go in and kick the door down and there are a bunch bunch of people there that they're apprehending. And and there's some pretty rough look at characters coming out of the stash house, including one guy I remember who was big. He was probably to 60 to 80 pounds, was wearing sort of a raggedy undershirt covered with tats. I mean, tats everywhere. And and the agents kept saying, Senator, Senator, hey, come over here, Senator.
Come look at this. Senator. No, I'll be back here. Thanks. I'm like, ixnay on the interstate. Just just call me Bob. Guys like that is you know, I think that's probably typical, though. We're dealing with, to use the president's term tough hombres down here. And I don't know, to hear the rhetoric coming from the left right now, it's as though these are the most wonderful people in the world and the villains or the law enforcement officers who are trying to arrest.
It's it's disgraceful, really. Again, we have DHS is the largest law enforcement agency in the country. We have over 100000 law enforcement officers in the department doing their job every day on the border. Every day they're building that wall. They're stopping individuals from crossing into the country illegally and I would say in a pandemic environment. Stopping individuals crossing into the country illegally takes on a more important mission. We're not just stopping immigration violators, we're stopping individuals that perhaps could have covid-19 could be coming into the US and infecting Americans.
So we're told that we're not allowed to leave our homes in many cases. But it's perfectly fine to have foreign nationals who obviously are not being tested across that border illegally. But actually, Senator, you raised this question for me, because your job is to make the laws there are your job is to enforce the laws and there are regulations that you will make fun of the law. And my job is entirely to make the laws, but it occurs to me.
If we're now four years into an administration, we were told big, beautiful wall, we know that people want to build the wall, and yet I think a lot of people listening will say only two hundred or two hundred fifty miles of wall. What's the hold up in? It strikes me there are other people who make the laws as well outside of our perhaps constitutional system. Yeah.
So we are not only stymied by congressional inaction, you know, the president's been very clear about a border wall system. We've had to find that funding internally to the administration over the last several years. Is Congress certain members of Congress, I would say, are not supportive of that. But we also have courts and we have lawsuits that we have to deal with. But again, as far as building the border wall system, we're going to reach 300 miles by the end of August, will be over here in early August.
They built 200 miles of Nepal. We've got another hundred miles coming in the longest month or so. Right.
And I think is the goal by the end of the year, 450, 450 to 500. Right.
Right. And that's a new wall. This is a law replacing previous. So it's a great you know, this is what the other side our opponents usually say is you're not actually building any new wall. So in many cases, we are tearing down a five to six foot fence and putting up a 30 foot wall. And in any case, that is a new wall.
It's very much like if you were to tell you another story of this on the five to six foot fence back in 2016 presidential race, we're down in Arizona on the border. And, you know, I've got a whole bevy of of reporters following me. And we're doing a we're doing something right on the border wall. And it's got this this little sort of. Vehicle barrier, the enormity barrier, the Normandy Bridge. Yeah, that's exactly it looks like the sort of crisscross.
Oh yes. Metal planks. Yeah. And and the reporters are there, and I've got a bunch of sheriffs and folks who are down there with us and a bunch of the reporters, they want to get a better camera shot. So they climb over the barrier to shoot north. And I'm like, OK, so you just crossed into Mexico illegally and that's how much little the barrier is as you just hop over the damn thing. OK, I got a better shot here.
Maybe we need something more substantial, given that you're like I think currently an illegal immigrant in the country of Mexico, they unwittingly, I think, proved your point on the border. And it's the point we're all making. And yet you're being stymied left and right on building that wall.
But again, we have found ways to do that. We have enough funding. We're in a good place. We're on a good glide path. So, again, as the senator mentioned, about 450 to 500 miles by the end of this calendar year. And that's what the operators want. They want that effective border wall system. It's not everywhere on the border. We can't put it everywhere, but we can put it in the places that need it most so that patrol officers can patrol other hard hit areas.
Well, even even be on the operators, I think is what the American people want. Absolutely. It made that point time and again. Let me make a point also. That's that's interesting and would surprise you. The guys working for Chad, the CBP guys on the border, they need a lot more technology. Yes. So so I've been I've been out with them on their boats, on the river. I've been up in in their helicopters, which are old.
Some of the helicopters are old Heelys like like, you know, out of out of like watching, you know, MASH growing up, which, by the way, they keep the doors open on the side and, you know, they strap you in. And I think the helicopter pilots enjoy doing turns or you're going forward, you're looking at this one little round disk that is holding your body. And if it comes loose, you're falling 200 feet down into the ground and you're trying to like, yeah, this doesn't bother me at all.
I am urinating my pants right now. But no, I'm not not sitting back there, Senator. Yeah, they do enjoy. I would say they do that with the acting secretary as well.
I have no doubt. But what's interesting. So Texas Department of Public Safety, I've been up Texas has, for example, it's an eight million dollar plane. It's an amazing plane that I've been up in and it flies along the border and it has heat imagery where they can look like a mile or two away on the other side of the border. And you'll see and we'd look at the screen and be like they'd be like, all right, there's the coyote there.
You can see them hiding in the brush and you could see four or five people that is getting ready to send across. And what Texas DPS will do is call CBP and say, all right, they're five guys right here. They're preparing to cross. And you can see the CBP vans like pulling up on the other side, waiting to apprehend them when they come. The amazing thing, though, is the state has better technology than the feds, which which is messed up.
Y'all should have adequate technology. And it's not your fault. It's Congress's fault. We haven't given it, but it's kind of startling. You don't expect the state equipment to be better than the federal equipment?
Well, some of our best partners are obviously Texas DPS as well as in Arizona and other places. So we rely on our partners to do our job. But as you indicated, we do not have an unlimited budget. So there are certain we have a number of our assets as well that we send up along that border to patrol that. But we can always use new and better equipment.
Mr. Secretary, we want to be respectful of your time. But before we go, I think a lot of Americans looking around don't feel great about how things are going. You know, they see buildings on fire. They see this unrest, especially in Portland. They see problems at the border. What's the outlook? Give it to a straight you know, we don't want false hope, but. But how are things looking as we now move toward the end of the year?
Well, I would say what we've seen over the past month and we've talked a little bit about here, when we talk about defund the police or you start attacking law enforcement, I think what we are seeing around the country is the result of that. What you have are criminals at their very heart. They are violent, opportunist, and they see an opportunity to exploit their street, their corner of the world because they know the police are under a microscope.
And so I think that's very dangerous with the president. What the administration has been very upfront about is we're not going to let this continue. So whether it's through Operation Legen, which is surging federal resources into to deal with some of this violent crime, we're going to continue to search for our resources and we're going to continue to protect federal property. We see it almost you know, we get threat and intelligence every weekend. Certain federal properties around the country are being targeted by these groups.
We surge resources into those communities to make sure that those properties are protected. When we talk about a courthouse, a seat of justice in a city has to be protected. That's what this country is about. And DHS is going to be on the front lines protecting those. All right. Don't question to wrap up. How do you get to be secretary of Homeland Security like you're a cabinet member? You're you're one of the top cops in the country?
Like what? You know, when you when you were a kid, is this what you dreamed of doing? How did you get here?
Yeah, it's a little different, actually. Dreamed of joining the military and for whatever reason, didn't happen. I grew up in Texas, went to school in Dallas, had the opportunity to come to D.C. and and shortly after 9/11 joined DHS, 9/11 for me. I was on Capitol Hill, rushed out of the buildings. It was a significant factor. I was basically right when DHS was formed. Yeah, this is back in 2001, 2002. So it was a formidable event in my life and really changed my outlook.
So I jumped in and started serving at DHS, took a break during the Obama administration, and then came back in and held a variety of different positions here in the department. I think the thing that, you know, a lot of us here in the department, we believe in this mission. We believe in what the department does and how it was created after 9/11, its counterterrorism mission. But it has a number of other missions, some of which we talked about, that I think the vast majority of Americans just don't know about Federal Protective Service.
A lot of our immigration enforcement and a lot of other things that we are doing here. So it's a big department, one hundred two hundred forty thousand folks. Twenty two different agencies that came in. So what do you do for fun?
Like when I work, but, you know, when I can I try to run a little bit and bike a little bit.
Well, those hobbies notwithstanding, I think you're probably working a lot more these days. Well, and I do need to clarify it and just say, Chad, thank you for being here. So as we are here. Yeah, your basement is flooded. It is. So there's a tropical storm.
It's raining like crazy here in D.C. your basements flooding and your wife is called. You say it. Hey, our basements flooded. And you said I got to do a podcast right now. I'm just going to say I'm sorry. I know you're sleeping on the couch tonight. It's my fault. Blame it on me. But but you're a great American and please get home quickly and help your wife. Thank you. I appreciate it. Won't be the couch.
It'll be the dog house. Not going to be good. We need to get you back to the basement and more importantly, to the mission. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Thank you so much for being here, Senator. I'll see you next time. This is verdict with Ted Cruz.