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The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome to What You're Going to Love Me, the podcast where we open the eyes, the ears and the hearts of anyone who is judged or been judged, while hopefully I'm your host, Katie Maloney.


Oh, right. Hello, everyone. Welcome to You're Going to Love Me, and I'm so excited today.


I have a really special, exciting guest. I have Sarah Nicole Landry, who is a body confidence activist and host of the Papaya podcast. She's a mother and a badass inspiration whose message and story has really resonated with me. Hi.


Thank you so much. I'm so stoked for this. I'm so glad you're doing. I'm so new to this. Hey, new is like where it's I had like the worst imposter syndrome was starting a podcast and I only started last year and I was like, maybe I'll just like fake my way through this. And I'm like a year later and I was like, I'm still doing it.


So you never know. You can break me in. So I feel like I've been getting to know you just through like your podcast and through your social media. And it's been so uplifting and amazing and inspiring because I've just been trying to put more of like positive, amazing women in front of my face lately, especially with bad information out there and bad influence out there. And just I want to just see some, like, amazing women who are just like more of like what I aspire to be.


So I thank you for being a bright, shining light out there, especially right now. And like quarantine, it's just like it's just what I need to just carry me through. So your story really begins, what, five, six years ago?


Something closer to that. I mean, I began blogging like 12 years ago was atrocious. That's why it's called the Birds of a Fire, because at the time, it was really cute to have like a mom blog that had a cute name. And so I was like, well, I'll name it after my daughter's nickname. So Jema Berdy, Maya Papaya. And so like you with your handle, you just it's there forever. Thank goodness that we didn't have Instagram when I was like 16, though, and I would have to like, relive the days of, like, my original email address, like, we should never have to be defined by those things.


But the birthday party ended up being really fun name. And I've loved being able to carry it now, but I kind of started just like wanting to connect, like I just was so lonely being a stay at home mom. I was really young. Mom got married at nineteen. Oh wow. Three kids by the time I was twenty five. So I was like really just struggling in that space of wanting community. And I found bloggers were like, it was like this weighed like a window into their world and it was just a way to not feel so alone.


So you can imagine how excited I was when Instagram came about. Oh yeah. But Instagram brought about a totally different kind of way that we connected with people because it was no longer just about crafts you were making and what food you were baking and like what your home looks like. We were seeing each other and I remember just being like, I'm not OK with this. I'm actually really intimidated by this. And I would only ever really show my face.


I was always hiding behind my children, like positioning myself. And I was like, you know what? I'm just going to go on this weight loss journey and I'm going to, like, do it this time. I mean, I yoyo dieting since I was 12, like legitimately 12. Wow. And I was like, I'm, I was two hundred and twenty five pounds, three times postpartum. I was like, I'm doing this what I'm going to do.


And I just had no information and access to proper education. So I downloaded not that told me to eat a thousand calories a day. Wow.


Don't ever do that. Now I know many listening. It's literally what a toddler Chitti is, not even what a toddler should eat. But that's what the app told me I could have. And it also told me to exercise a lot. So I was like exercising. And I was like, no days off. If I give a day off, that's an excuse. And if I have a cheat day, like any relationship you shouldn't be cheating on.


So, like, I will not cheat. Oh, no, I was in it and so I didn't tell anybody about it. I did it really privately. Forty pounds in obviously the Internet started to really notice and really compliment me. I mean, like when we see somebody that's lost weight, we immediately that's that's our instinct is like great job, like congratulations. Zero information on how I was doing it. But all I heard was, oh my gosh, like this is great.


I've been working in this space always trying to grow my blog, always try to do these things. And suddenly I was like getting attention. So I was like, fantastic, this is what I'm going to do. So I started sharing my weight loss journey and then it just became an addiction because now it wasn't about anything else in my life and my family being perfect or anything like that. It was like my body was the performance track that was going to be the thing.


And so I ended up losing one hundred pounds. Wow. And then I lost a little bit more and I ended up going down to a size zero. I'm five eight. So I was one hundred and fourteen pounds. I was extremely disordered in my eating but had no idea I was doing things like I was getting asked to be a part of all these different things. I was getting all this popularity and growing all the stuff. And then it was like this awful real.


And that I actually had more anxiety around my body than I ever did when I existed in a bigger body, maybe I could shop in regular stores now and I had all this acceptance, but like, I didn't have that acceptance. I was actually really not OK. And not only that, but like eventually my whole world bottomed out. I am now going through a divorce. After 11 years. I move in with my mom and dad at age 30.


I've got this social media following who's kind of watching on the sidelines of all of this. And I'm trying to keep it all a secret. And I'm so low in weight I don't even know how I can keep performing with my body without now going into an entirely different story, which would be a lot of surgeries and a lot of repair. And I was just honestly, I was exhausted. I was just done. I was exhausted. And I knew that I was lying.


I knew that I was or that I had been lying. I didn't I don't think I intentionally meant to, but I think that it came to the point where I realized that what I was telling people was not factual. It was not safe and healthy at all. My healthy living was was so far from it. So I ended up completely changing my content around and had to so uncomfortably learn what it's like to gain weight after you've been in a weight loss for so long, because that's actually what's healthy for your body, too.


Sometimes when you're actually nourishing your body and like exercising and like proper ways. My Instagram kind of just became this journal of like that change in that that existing in my body and through a series of events, kind of realized that when I shared these things, like especially things like my stretchmarks, I really pronounced stretchmarks from my children. And I never seen another woman with them. But when I did show up with them, I got to understand that I wasn't alone.


And so when you understand that you're not alone, suddenly stop thinking about it so much. So in all of those efforts, I kind of got to stop being so obsessed with my body and and just exist beyond it a little bit more and. I'm not yet, but that's kind of what happened, so in the end of twenty eighteen, I finally quit my job. I had about eighty thousand followers at the time, so it was quite a career accomplishment to be able to do that after like being a single mom, working two jobs.


Suddenly my life is like, holy crap, after all of this, I have now found a man who is like amazing work. And we got married. I had a great career job, but I was now getting the chance to work for myself. And I was like, I went for it at eighty thousand followers. By the end of the next year, I was just shy of a million. And this year I hit a million in February and now said at one point three.


So it just goes to show that when you live your truth right.


And work out. Yeah. Oh my God. That's incredible.


So wild little ride. I know. I know. But like that's just like inspiring aof to be honest.


But but like the one thing that you talk about that I only just really learned about a term or became familiar with but actually realized that I was, you know, guilty of myself was this whole disordered eating.


And I don't think many people understand what it is. And can you explain what that is in your own words?


I mean, it's interesting because I was always like, no, I don't have an eating disorder. No, I don't have any sort of because my sister was a 10 year anorexia, bulimia, recovery. So I was like, I'm not like that at all. Like, I'm just counting calories, like doing all these things. That's that's not what I'm doing. But when I heard the words reversed and it said disordered eating, I was like, I've never had a normal relationship with food.


All of my food has been so either it went from like emotional binge eating or it went down to like, I need to restrict myself. I, I think it came down to the fact that I had created moral values around food. There was good food and there was bad food. There was a moral value. Salad was a good food. Salad dressing was a bad foods. You had to have it on the side. Pizza was a bad food.


I can't have that. Like all of these things were good and bad. Birthday cake. Sorry, off the list. I don't cheat on myself, so. No, no birthday cake. It was a morally bad food. And the thing that kind of happens over time is and they talk about this with kids. If you if you give kids, you know, a little bit of sugar with their meals, they actually regulate what it is because they're like, oh, it's not a bad food, is not a good food.


It's just part of my meal. They stop asking for it so much, they stop craving it so much. It stops becoming like this obsession. I would say, like really check out the and a website to learn a lot more about disordered eating and stuff because like, I don't want to over educate people with wrong information. But mine was was definitely in the fact that by the end of my weight loss journey, I knew the calories in every single food and I was doing the math in my head every single moment of the day.


And I that's an obsession weighing myself every morning, if not three times a day. So I had to get rid of the scale in my house. I faced backwards at the doctor's office because you can start to notice certain things, like if you step on the scale and you weigh more and it actually changes your mood and the way you behave and who you are, it's like robbing you of something. It just really takes away from, like a lot of opportunity to kind of determine that for yourself.


It's like this is morally deciding factor in your life, like the good and the bad. And I think a lot of us right now, especially in the response to being in quarantine, our bodies are responding to stress. They're responding to like the sedentary life that we now all exist in.


You could run ten miles a day and it might not be as much as what you did, even like working in a service job. You know, like when I went from serving to an office job, like it was a huge shock to my body. But our bodies are responding in stress and we can't create moral goodness or badness around how our bodies are responding, especially in a time like a pandemic. So I think it starts to get easier to identify if you maybe have disordered eating based on your thoughts and behaviors around food and the way you eat.


The first time I heard that was actually when I watched the the Taylor Swift documentary, I was just like, wasn't that so good that it was so good? I was just like, so like I because I've been there. I've been there when I was younger and then recently in the last five years of my life have just, you know, fad diets or desperately just trying to like, watch what I eat and obsessing, obsessing over things and and yeah.


Adding more value to food, restricting myself of things and just having that bad relationship with food. And I didn't want that anymore. I didn't want to punish myself. And I just feel like diets are created and set up for failure. They actually are statistically. I've done so much work because my sister said to me once, like, Why? Why is like like some people can diet, it's like totally fine and I was like, I could gamble and it would be totally fine, but the actual stats around it is ninety five percent of diets fail.


So 95 percent, it is not going to have the results that maybe you initially have, Will. Ninety five percent will gain it back. But the risk factor is twenty five to thirty five percent will end up with disordered eating or an eating disorder. So imagine going for something being like ninety five percent failure rate and up to thirty five percent chance of like risk in your life. Let's take that gamble like that. But this is literally what we're being marketed every single day of our lives is this is this concept of these diets over and over and over these diets.


These aren't like and dieting in the way of like diet. Culture is very different from the way of like, hey, I know that like if I eat gluten, I break out in a rash.


That's not me dieting. That's me like honoring my body of it. Right.


So there's a fine line between educating yourself and what you know is what kind of foods you should be eating. Like when I when I finally looked into my health because I started gaining weight rapidly in the last year and I was like, this is this is kind of alarming. And I think I need to go get things checked. And I thought maybe thyroid issue and then testosterone is kind of high, could be PCOS. So I had blood work done and ultrasound done and all this.


And then it was just like glucose is like kind of high up there. And so then it was just like, OK, well, we got to get your weight down because glucose is high. And I just was like feeling like diabetes. So I was just like, you know what, like I need to get with a nutritionist because I need to find out about nutrition. I need to find out exactly how my body is using food for energy, how it's metabolizing foods like what kinds of foods I should be eating and the combinations of foods and the like, but not obsessive way.


And so I did find a nutritionist. It's common sense eating. It's not about restriction. Like I can literally eat anything I want because I know I know how to eat. I have all the information I know exactly. I'm not scared of foods is not. Yeah. There's there's no more like this is a bad food. I mean like. Yeah. Like there's common sense to like eating still like if you're going to eat cake every day then you know that's going to, you know, what's going to happen.


But I don't fear that anymore. And I think now I just I've educated myself on nutrition and I know exactly like what different kinds of vegetables are, different kinds of carbs and starches and like how I should be, you know, paring things. And it's just it's just a different kind of approach. Yeah. It's such a different mindset. And that's why those people are so great, because, like, if you can have access to them, they're amazing resources.


That's literally what they went to school for, to learn is to like how to balance that. Because I was same as you. I remember last year, I didn't I don't see myself, but I remember like I could tell I gained a certain amount of weight and I was like, that happened rapidly. And I went to a naturopath and we we ran the gamut of tests and turned out that it was like a hormonal disruption. It was like a completely something like I had to start eating to encourage my hormones.


So I had to, like, increase my fat diet to increase. And I was like, it's so weird. Like eating with intention, but not calculating the calories, not weighing yourself. Like it's actually measured on like an entirely different side of things. And I was I was really blown away at, like, the difference of approach. And it became really clear to me, like these fast marketed things that were sold, like if you just do this, like let's be real, like the teeth that literally give you diarrhea, these are out there to give you these fast results.


But the lasting stuff really comes from like that access to that proper information in a much more safer environment going to be for a lifetime, though I would rather have be set up for life and know that, um, you know, this is wealth of knowledge that's going to last me a lifetime, then something that's going to last me a weekend present or all this work for like the post quarantine body in the summer body.


I'm like, no, no, we're surviving a pandemic right now. That's the goal. Exactly.


I just want to encourage people that if they feel that they want to make a change, that they should really look into something that's going to be a mindset change and not just something that's going to be a quick fit under percent agree.


And also like maybe, you know, change the things that you're looking at to the opportunity we have to change our social media, like the fact that we literally have unfollow buttons for accounts that make us feel like crap. Exactly. You should probably do that.


Like you can mute somebody if you offend them, like so many options that we have for ourselves to, like, create those boundaries and protect ourselves.


Well, and especially when you start seeing, like, people that are really like normalizing normal bodies and not trying to normalize bodies that really aren't, you know, everyone. They have free agency over their body. And if they want to go and do whatever they want to do, they can do whatever they want to do. That's like. They are free to do that, but I think with when people can see themselves represented on social media in a way that is just like those others, you know, I'm not going to call out anybody, but I think that is so healthy for the mind.


And that's something that I really try to do, is just like look for more influential people.


Yeah, even people like I'm obsessed with Demi Lovato right now because, yes, this woman has just come out of, like her eating disorders. She's come out of, like, rehab, and she's just like owning that story in that journey. And I'm just like connecting with her, like, I'm so inspired by her because, like, at the same time, like, I love this saying, like, your body is an instrument, not an ornament.


And I'm like, you look at somebody, you're like, look how much healing she's gone through. Imagine we've reduced that to like, oh, but you gained weight. Therefore, you're a failure in life. Like, she is so successful. It is so incredible to watch somebody go through that and own her body and her healing.


And it's it's so remarkably beautiful.


It's it's refreshing that I love it. I just feel like I don't know why, especially with women, you know, our bodies become the focal point and the the topic of conversation. And I know for you, like, you know, you wanted to put your journey out there and you were doing your side by side transformation pictures. And like that was something that you were getting maybe like an instant gratification and sort of validation from inside. And behind all of that, you were going through something much bigger and greater that no one knew about.


So so when you were getting positive comments and the support, what did that do for you to help you or did it at all?


It did, because it reinforced what I was doing. It was telling me I was doing a good job. And when I look back on my weight loss journey because I never really felt comfortable and safe or OK with my body, every little joy bit that I found in it was always about the fact that I was feeling accepted by society. I was being rewarded for doing a better job. I was being rewarded for being able to fit into straight sizes.


It was like, welcome, you're finally here. Like, Thanks for coming. We've been waiting for you. Like you're no longer on the sidelines of society. We now welcome you into the rest of it. That's all I felt. It was just validation and acceptance. It was nothing to do really with my body. But that was what I was being reduced to, was being accepted by society for my body now. So it really kind of messed me up, especially when after my divorce and I had lost, like through that stress, I lost that extra weight and I knew that I had to regain try gaining weight, like on social media and see how silent the world gets because they don't know what to say.


There's no congratulations there. And even then, like, the fact is, like every single one of those congratulations were so well intended, they just didn't know what I was actually doing to achieve it, because it was it was easy for me to conceptualize that as being a health journey and not realizing that it was really disordered in its methods.


And at the end of the day, I was still still these stretchmarks, still had all the cellulite, now had this loose skin was just like crap. Ibru I hide all of this. So, you know, it just put me down this road of like, OK, now I got to face tune. I've got to like, make it real perfect because I just want to still be accepted. I just want to still be loved. Don't kick me out.


Like, don't kick me out of the society that I've worked so hard to now be a part of. You know, it was exhausting. It was exhausting. Feeling like I had to just continue to do whatever I needed to to be accepted by the world. But that's that's literally what it's reinforcing. And what happens when we do compliment, I would say without consent if somebody said like, oh, I've really been working on my weight loss or, you know, I've been on this health journey and you can be like, you know what, I've really noticed that you you are looking really strong.


You're looking really like you've got this glow with you. Look, there's other things we can say or like out of quarantine. The fact, like so many people have so, so much anxiety about stepping back into the real world. How can we reshift it to the first compliments we give our friends being like just so happy to be able to look in your eyes again? I'm so happy to see your smile. It's just so nice to hug you.


Like, what are the things we can say be like, oh, my gosh, Curly look snatched out of quarantine.


We have no idea what she went through in quarantine. We have no idea what's gone on for her. So just knowing now, being in that part of it and realizing how much that over validation can actually reinforce the illness itself, I'm just very cautionary on complimenting weight loss or weight at all or just not even. I just don't even make it in my line of commentary anymore. Really important, I think.


I think just everyone and I want to tell what people should and should do, but I just think that's important for everyone to hear and know, because I know for me, going through like gaining weight publicly, like I have on the show and everything and people commenting on it and having my body be a topic of. Conversation for so long and trying to remain positive through all that and try to like feel comfortable in my skin just because I had to, I had because I had to step out and in front of a camera or go to events and just put a smile on my face.


So I had no choice but to just find comfort in this. And so even now, like, I have been lost some weight and stuff, I don't want to hear about it now. Even so, I'm just like it's still like something. I just that's my body. Still just not a conversation. Yeah. I mean, you've got much more interesting things going on than what your body looks like when you wanted to start being honest about what was really going on and start being honest about the realness that was happening, the stretchmarks, the cellulite, the ever the you know, just the real body shit.


Was there a fear that people wouldn't be supportive or that people would think that you were like a fraud? And how was that received? I love being my own hypocrite.


I left up all of those old posts for reasons I love being able to see my own hypocrisy and kind of come through that journey. I think that it's so amazing when you get to see an evolution of a person and be welcoming to change. And I've had to give myself a lot of grace for that. I mean, I literally have old posts where I'm like, if only that old girl could put down the fork. Like, I actually fat shamed myself in, like, a motivation for other people like it.


It was really backwards. So I definitely don't like I don't love that I did those things. But I also love that I got through those things and that I learned from them. I don't know that I would have the voice that I have now if I hadn't had that that journey so imperfectly. Right. And those first posts of sharing, I mean, they were not easy. I would like you when you become so conditioned to be like, I need to be palatable.


And I always try to remember that, like when you feel like you're not palatable for the world, it's a really hard thing to serve that dish. I just sort of creating some different boundaries. Like I'd step away from my phone for like an hour. I recognized a bit of like there's a thing that happens in our brain where, you know, fear and excitement register is the exact same thing. And so it's kind of like that top of the roller coaster feeling when you're about to go down and you're scared shitless and you're also just like, so excited.


It's kind of like that. You know, this is like it's not an inherently good feeling to share these images, but you feel like maybe it's important. So it's like that fear and excitement are existing together. And so you just do it. And when I had initially done it, like there wasn't a lot of that out there. So I know it's a lot more mainstream now, but at the time it wasn't so I wasn't even I hadn't even seen women like me yet.


So it was really weird to step on my toes out into something that I was just very new, even for myself. But the results of that, I mean, I definitely went stagnant. I lost a lot of people from the weight loss community as soon as I started gaining weight even a little bit or stopped talking about my weight loss because they just saw it as me falling off the wagon instead of falling into my truth. And what I didn't anticipate, though, was the other side of it was the people who were waiting for this kind of a message, people who needed it.


And that overwhelming support. And what I learned was when I started to create from a really vulnerable space, I would I would write myself emails like really late at night or make notes on my phone. Just really try and capture the moments that I was feeling really awful or really good or just working through a lot of these body issues. So I started actually creating my captions first and then I would find an image to go with them. And what I discovered was when people really connect with your work in that really raw, authentic moment, what do they do?


They share it because it feels like them. It feels like we did this together. And and I love that. I love that. That's kind of what has built this is the fact that I got so real with myself. My my therapist used to call me a sponge. She said I only sponge people's opinion. So I had to, like, work to like learn my own. And because I was becoming so self aware and creating from that place, suddenly my content was just connecting with people.


And it went from that stagnant place of like, what the heck is she doing? Changing her mind to oh my gosh, this is the feelings I've had my whole life and I've never I've never took time with. And as they shared, my account would grow and I would reach new people. And this just it just kind of went like that. So it's literally been built up by the community that related who felt connected to that work.


I love it. I connect to it. I think it feels like such a breath of fresh air because I'm tired of the curated, the overly like face two. And I just I don't I don't buy it anymore. So I want to I want to see more real representation and more honesty and people connecting with their truth.


And, yeah, that's when we're ready for it. For me, it's like a daily sort of with my relationship with myself, with my body, it's like I have to work at it like every day. It's like like anything. It's like, you know, you got to, like, nurture it. So and I feel like you're someone who is like a pretty amazing relationship with yourself and you've connected nicely with that.


So what is what do you do every day or what what it like a nice practice that you could share, that you would recommend?


Honestly, the biggest one for me is being aware of my thoughts. I think once we are willing to listen to that, we can honor them a lot more. We can see where they're being triggered. We can see like even if you've all of a sudden you're feeling really crappy about your body, you're like, what just happened? Can we rewind?


Let's peel back this onion. What did I see on social media? What did I see on television? What conversation do they have? You can start to, like, target those things and recognize where some of this hate is stemming from. And I got to be really honest, because I think a lot of times when we talk about confidence and feeling good about yourself and positivity, it sounds like such an unachievable thing because we've been conditioned to hate ourselves.


That's what the most profitable thing is for the world is when we don't like ourselves and we need to fix everything. So it's a it's a deep unlearning to suddenly go back to who you were before that conditioning began.


So most of the time it's neutral. Like it's literally you set the car in neutral and you're just like, I don't love my body, I don't hate my body.


But here's what I can do. I can act in love because, you know, you're in a long term relationship. Love is like we expected always to be like this overwhelming feeling, like that feeling we had in the beginning weeks. That's not love. Like that's infatuation. And that's like emotional ties to that. Total love is an action. It's genuinely a showing up and a caring and an intentionality. But we expect still for our own bodies, going to have the feeling we want, the feeling we just want to love our bodies.


We don't recognize that true loving relationships with ourselves comes down to an action. It's an action word. It's a showing up. It's an intentionality for me. It's like I, I love to exercise and I don't even worry about the calories of it anymore. How many it shows I burned. I love it because even though when I get on it, I never want to do it. I've never loved exercise. I get on and I'm like, I want nothing to do with this.


When I get off, I'm a different person. My mental health is Gia. I feel something different. There's a shift in me. I have a pride about me. When I eat a meal that I know has nourished my body, I can feel that you can feel the difference. And and I think that's why a lot of people struggle in like January after the holidays and they get so confused about their bodies and how they feel about it. And they're like these New Year's resolution cravings.


The fact is, you went from overindulging in things, which is not bad to do, enjoy your holidays, enjoy those memories like make them. But we we have these moments where we indulge so much that we forget that our bodies respond in that way. So it's just a matter of how can I love myself in a new way this day? And I think what ends up happening is you just start being a lot more intentional with yourself and stop demanding the feeling.


And I think that's been big for me is like, I don't love my body. I don't hate it. My biggest thing is like I want to exist in it, though, and I want to live beyond it. I want to show up in my children's memories. I want to be a part of like an intimate relationship with my husband without wearing a T-shirt in bed and like walking backwards out of the room because I don't want him to see my butt.


Like, what are we kidding right now? Like, so and this is such a common thing. You say it and everyone's like, oh, been there. Like, we all do it. We all do it. So instead of being like, I want to get to a place where I feel so confident about my body that I'm like so confident. Do all these things recognize that it's actually in thinking about your body less? How can we think about our body less?


How can we love it with intention and not with expectation? That's the longest answer I've ever given for what should have been a really short answer. But hey, no, I know. I love that. I think where I start with that too is just being kind to myself.


No, and like no. Like sometimes if if it's, if it's working out and like if you're just not feeling it, don't do it, you know. Yeah. Honor that. Oh my gosh. Yes.


I mean it's always like you never going to like feel like doing it, but it's like if you're not feeling it, just give yourself a break, you know, just and that's all so healthy.


Right. Like that's also health. And I think that we need to recognize that too. Yeah. No, I love no I loved everything that you just said so much.


Oh my God. Right now those perfect. No, I think it's just it's like everything I needed to like here today too. I mean.




Yes, OK, well, so I like to end my episodes with a little segment called The Rage Text The day we go, if we go for my day, we go from all this little positivity to a little bit of rage.


So it's just like a little healthy, cathartic exercise to just, you know, get out some aggression, something.


What am I going to rage on? It could be something inanimate, something, you know, just out there in the world, just something that, you know, I do.


I know exactly what what is it? I want to rage on vinyl seeding in the summertime.


I don't care who you are and what you do, but that feeling and the thing that we all know exists, the fact that our asses in legs were always stick to those seats, why are they still happening? Why are we still being victimized by vinyl seating in the summertime? A man that would be my rage techs. I love that. Screw you. Vinyl seating to get out of here. It's ruining our summer.


My rage techs of the day is what I mean. It's not so much to cancel a cold shower because it's just that's like that's like a bigger thing. But just like recreational outrage, because today I read that people were actually like mad that John Krasinski sold his news. Good news show.


Some good news. Yeah. Got signed. Right. Were they mad about it? That he sold it there, like I thought you I thought you made this to like, you know, make people happy and stuff like and I'm like, oh my gosh, people, every time you go out to go online, people got to be mad about something just because they want some kind of.


So true.


Something like every time a woman makes a doll or somebody gets mad like everyone, can you just be happy for once for somebody like is it going to really ruin your day that somebody gets something nice for a change? Like it's just let's be real.


He was doing that whole thing for free out of the goodness of his heart. If he can get it bought to so it can continue and knowing that the conditions aren't going to stay. So if this can actually lend itself in a way that it supports the work, how have at it, honey. Yeah. Everyone enough with the recreational outrage. Go for a walk, go for a walk, walk. Do something.


You don't like him. Call in. This is new for me but like call in culture instead of call out culture, call it culture just like wants to knock you down, call in, wants to have a conversation. That's what I'm liking. So yeah.


I'm here for it. Right. Well thank you so much and thank you so much. Lovely. I loved it. Well I hope that I hope your nice weather stays over in Canada.


Oh Lordy. Me too. Me too. It's not going to snow. That's all we can hope for. All right. Well, everyone, take a listen.


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All right. Will everyone be good to each other?


Be kind to yourself?


Yes. And don't sit on vinyl chairs. OK, goodbye. Thank you so much for listening. Please make sure to subscribe, leave a reading and review, follow along on Social at Musicales and tune in next week for an all new episode.