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That's 50 percent off your first month at Kaixi WIC Dotcom Promo Code Zackham. Welcome to Back to the Future, I'm your co-host, Daniel Driscol, joined today by the voice of Tiger Radio. Marc Paul Goslar. Hello, Mark. K they say, Oh my God, that was that was really good. Have you been practicing that or was that just now the cuff. No, off the cuff. And I'm just going to admit right now, I watched this episode earlier this week, wrote my notes, which is not my norm.

I usually watch the episode a few hours before we actually do this podcast and we go right into it.

But I I wrote these notes earlier in the week and I've been sitting on them and I just can't I'm sure just that just came into my head, though, the correct way. And while we're watching this episode, Save the Max.

Yes, that is the title. Right. Say the max. Yeah, OK. Because it's weird because we save the tiger to danwei. Right. It was save that tiger and now save the max. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's, you know where it is a word for it. There's a there's also an L word you could use lazy, maybe a little woozy.

But you know what, let's not knock laziness. I'm a big fan of lazy so you know, but let's call it what it is. It's the same title. But while we're watching this episode, it just came to me that a lot of the the sound drops and songs, those actually weren't played while we were filming.

I don't know why I had such a hard time saying, while it's OK to sound it out, if you ever get in trouble, it's OK. But as we're watching this, you'll see that we're offbeat a little bit. I'm not so sure that that Katie Bayside was was actually on the tape night. It might have been put in in editing, in post, as they say. But I like that jingle. I'd like to actually make that my my phone.

What do they call it. Ring tone. Oh, ring tone.

Yeah. Ring tone. Do you want that one when you get a phone call. Like when when a text comes through, like every single time you want to hear that, that noise.

I just just when you just when you call me. Right. OK, all right. So twice a day. Got it. Morning and night. That's how we check on each other. Just in case you didn't do the homework. Here's a brief little summary. Marple, if I can just dive on into that, please. Zac uncovers besides old radio station and convinces Belding, who used to be a DJ there, to revive it. Max reveals his ten thousand dollars in debt to his landlord, which is apparently the school district.

Everyone does a good job on the radio except for Slater, who is very bad. The gang struggles to tell Slater he stinks, but he finds out when the reviews come in and quits. Jessie calls out the school board on the air, putting Belding's job in jeopardy. But Zac reminds him he used to be rebellious. And Belding joins the gang in a telethon from the max to raise the ten grand. Slater shows up at the last minute to deliver the speech that puts them over their goal.

Everybody wins, Max. Max doesn't have to close down business. And that brings us right into Act one in what looks like the the haunted basement of Bayside or something like something out of Scooby Doo.

Yeah, this I remember the set being at the end of of the stage. So we've we've talked about this before, but the audience would sit and we'll say that what they were facing was north. Right. And that's how the the sets and this would have been west at the very western part of our stage. The bedrooms were sort of northwest. And then you had the max right next to the bedrooms and then you had Belding's office, pretty much dead center of the audience along with a hallway.

And then the classroom would sort of be ne, if you will. I could make sure I remember what I don't remember what E was. You know, what actually e sometimes was like outside, like the episode, the prom that was due east, you know, that was. Yeah. The eastern side of the stage. This was the western side of the stage. I don't know why I remember things like this. No, it's I mean, hey, look, you remembering stuff that's cool.

Must be all the alpha brain. Yeah. You just slamming that alpha brain and it's unlocking the memories so retroactively we're snorting it. You're snorting lining alpha brain. That's how we're closing out. Twenty twenty. That's, that's what I like about the instant. You can just do lines of it. Now we would play on it as a great sponsor or sponsor a company they don't want us doing. Rales know of anything specifically though, their product. So let's not do any line rails but they do want to moving around.

So it's like a thin line here. It's a thin line we're on of goofing around, but not you know, we're we're trying to make a fun radioshow. It's like Tiger Radio.

Here's a here's a fun fact, though. I don't know what was in Dustin's book, but I've done drugs, but I've never done cocaine. You know, it's a fun fact. Marquel, as someone who grew up in Los and. I've never done cocaine and I feel like a like a unicorn or something like I feel like that. I don't know how that how that happens, how to to Southern California natives just make it this far down the road and not do cocaine.

I don't know. Somehow I feel like my experience just sort of outweighs yours because I was in clubs by the time I was six. You're a celebrity. Yeah, you're you're a celebrity, right? I forgot. Movie star. Yeah, I'm just Nebish man with glasses. Not the craziest journey.

Actually, my first time going to a club. I think if I remember correctly, it wasn't like it was like a a teen club if they have those things. But Sulayman Frye, who played Punky Brewster, brought me to my very first sort of like dance party thing on Hollywood Boulevard. I want to say, you know, we've based this whole podcast on my memory being a little shady. Sure. But yeah, I do remember her asking me, I think it was I was 13.

Maybe that's a good that's a good idea to be in the club. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, alcohol was just right. No alcohol was was being bought or served. I'm sure you could take it in. Sure. But I remember going to that and being very anxious because my background in music was things that my mother played which was like Ella Fitzgerald, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino. We listen to Kay Earth 101, if you remember that.

Yeah. Kerith went on, if you're not in Southern California, Kerith was the oldies station. It continues to be, but the oldies have got newer. Yeah. Yeah. And that was my sort of my background that my my Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith and things that my brothers and sisters, my older brothers and sisters played. But boy, was I in for a shock when I when I got in there and they were playing two live crew. Yeah.

Oh man. That is that is certainly not music for 13 year olds or exactly the right music for 13 year olds, depending on who you're asking.

But it was a fun night and I remember bits and pieces of it. And, you know, thank you to Solomon Fry for introducing me to the the the night life of Hollywood.

Yeah. And look at that. You guys are still on NBC all these years later. Isn't that isn't that kind of neat?

Yeah, we've remained friends. I mean, I think I saw her last year at some point and, you know, it just kind of go right the right into that rhythm again of of being with an old friend. And I'm so glad that she's doing that for Peacocke the the Punky Brewster reboot or reimagining.

They're just calling the reimagines now. I don't know who I don't know if they're rebooting or they're reimagining. Again, very thin lines we're all on these days. I love that. There's just this like there's just corridors of Bayside that they're still uncovering. It's it's a very, like, fun journey of this magical kind of school. Well, Screech found this by being dumped down a trash chute by a bully. Yes. He's being bullied by a young lady, which is a sad image for laughs right away on the radio station.

Um, you know, you talked about your your music interests. A lot of this is clearly a station from the sixties. Everything around there is sixties, sixties imagery. You know, the music all on the walls, the flowers, which again, we've talked about the time gap, but like the sixties then are as far away as the nineties are right now of. It is kind of crazy, it's hard to it's hard to fathom, but that's how far away this is also all these machines in there.

It looks almost like the remind me of the Adam West Batcave, just like large towers of like machines with lights and stuff that certainly do nothing but look at. That's pretty much all they were. Yeah, that's right. You know, we're making TV over here. Yeah. Nothing on this set worked right at all. Not a nonfunctioning just but it looks good. It looks like it is so funny. All these the way they show technology, just flashing lights and stuff and you get that nice, that nice smooth radio drop, which it seems like they invested a lot of resources in the 60s to to make this radio station.

I mean, like a world class broadcasting.

Yeah, I know that you both you and I are fans of Howard Stern. And he talks about his days on radio where it was all about the jingle. And as yet, he made famously in his movie Private Parts, where he goes to NBC. NBC, yes. We are both both stern heads. Yes. I could not help but think of of Howard's days on NBC while watching this dust and not breaking. By the way, when he comes up looking like Eraserhead, he he holds it together.

I don't remember how he did that. I'm sure we we may have filmed that earlier in the day to get that gag, because I don't think that he could have put on that wig so quickly underneath the council. No. And why we're on the topic of hair. My hair is a bit darker in this episode. You can clearly see that. Yeah, I need a bit of work up there. What are those? Do you know the name of those kind of pants, Martha?

All that slaters wearing because I am just interested in the way the waist works.

Well, you know, isn't this is Belding's office? I remember. And I don't know if these are them, but I remember the hot pants back then were Z. Kaveri cheese.

But are those are those the fabled Kaveri cheese, I guess was my was my question. Well, I don't know. But I do remember those coverages that were high waisted. They kind of had those pleats at the top, which is what what's going on here. The whole tank top thing. I mean, I feel I feel bad for Mario because when you wear a sleeveless shirt, you want your you have to look good. You want yourself to look great.

So statement of confidence. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he would be doing push ups before these scenes just to make himself look pumped. Another trick that he does and I want to point this out and will continue pointing this. Well, you'll just notice it more now that you're watching these episodes along with us. But he he keeps his hands, his arms at a 90 degree angle. And sometimes to achieve that, he has to hold something like, I have no idea what he's holding in this.

Yeah. What is that? Folded towel or something? No one else. And that's the thing. Like he'll carry a folder sometimes like a trapper keeper. What what were those old ones. Yellow ones with a runner on it. You remember those ones I call your time? Yeah. Those those were just, I think folders. I mean, there's a specific yellow, there's a specific name. You're too young.

This is going to drive me nuts. I know you're talking about this is that is irritating. Yeah. You'll get hit up on Twitter about this. But anyway but he folds those up into like a cylinder as well, and he'll hold that at a ninety degree angle. So he notice how in scenes where he's sleeveless, he keeps his arms at a ninety. It gives you your arms a nice little, you know, makes your biceps look a little bit bigger.

And yeah, it's just a it just makes you look better with without sleeves. When he's not wearing them, he goes back to just being, you know, he's fine. He doesn't have to like, you know, sort of display anything.

I am really going to keep an eye out for Slater holding things he doesn't need to hold just to get that ninety degree angle. That is a that is certainly a production detail I never would have picked up on. You're welcome. Thank you. I didn't say thank you, but thank you. The thank you was implied. And yeah. Katie, there it is, the voice, you know, building clarifies. It was the voice of Bayside in the sixties, again a thirty years prior and building used to be cool.

We get this like fun reveal and we go to fuzzy pink fantasy but with like a little more of a psychedelic transition. You know, it's like a it's not the usual dissolve. Yeah, hold up. He calls himself the Big Bopper, the boss Master Blaster, which I don't know what that's about. Yeah, but just to educate our audience, the Big Bopper was actually JP Richardson and he was famous for songs like Chantilly Lace. I wish I could sing that for you, Daniel, but I can't.

I wish you could, too. We can't. We don't have the rights, Mark. Paul, we barely have the rights to talk about this show. Right. He did. Also White lightning. The Big Bopper did white lightning. And the biggest fact of all was he died in nineteen fifty nine in a plane crash, along with Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens.

And we get we get this fuzzy pink fantasy of building. Back when he was cool and mcpaul, you mentioned that you didn't have playback on set and the sort of things weren't to the beat. I think it's really interesting because this clip of Belding being a D.J. is used in the theme song and in the theme song. It is very much on the beat. And so they kind of took this clip. And I think it's I mean, for my money, I see it every single time I want to say by the Bell episodes.

So it's one of the more featured clips in series because it's in the theme song. It's kind of interesting. They repurposed it to fit into music later, although fun here, like the you know, the symmetry of, like, building used to get into scuffles with his principal. You know, we're all doomed to become what we fear the most. And of course, we get I think Bennett was the one that did shine the light on Belding's pride and his ability to be easily persuaded just by senseless flattery.

In it, it works. Just a bunch of people chanting his his old nickname gets him over the edge. Burn, burn. Who wouldn't be persuaded by that? A lot of colors.

I think we've hit every single color in the rainbow in this in these wardrobe choices.

It never stops blowing my mind just how colorful the show is at all times. But it's evolved.

I feel it's evolved to this dramatic, you know, colors between all of us. I don't we we don't share the same colors, any of us in our wardrobe. And after Beldin get so easily convinced, we're in the max for yet another storyline in season two about how adults are having like very serious money problems that they need the assistance of children with this time it's Max who's in in deep for ten grand, and he's talking to these kids about it while he while he serves them burgers.

While I was watching the scene, I thought I was the only one with a purple and black sweater. I'm wrong. There's actually an extra right there with the same sweater in the background over like kind of above where Lisa's head is.

I guess if you're if you're looking out for that purple black sweater, I mean, there's only so many colors. You know, I like at a certain point, some of it's going to start repeating. I think it was a poor job done by the extras handler or the ad that was in charge of this. I mean, you would say like, no, you can't wear that shirt. We're going to give you a different shirt. Zach Morris is wearing that shirt.

So you think someone was in charge of that? The vibe I'm getting was it seemed pretty a pretty loose what was what was being attended to on this? No, I think the way it usually goes is that the the background artist would bring a few choices. That's normally how it's done, is that they they bring a few choices and then someone goes through it and says, yeah, let's use this in scene one, let's use this and seen, you know, ten.

And that's generally the way it's done. This is this is a mistake, though. You can't be wearing the same thing that the the the star of the show is wearing. How dare you? You're right. How dare I line away from from me and now I'm looking at you.

Oh, yeah. God forbid there's something else that's colorful in the max to to pull your eye away. This thing looks like a rainbow exploded in Slater's dream. He reveals here, like Slater has a real dream. He wants to be a sportscaster, which is the first and only time this dream ever comes into play. Ninety nine. Oh, you're saying his arms when he's even when he's sitting on a ninety degree angle. That is, you are totally correct.

It's actually pass a ninety degree angle if we want to get technically inclined.

I didn't want to, I didn't, I didn't want to get it. But it's said it if you understand what I'm saying though. I know you're saying I get what I am picking up, what you're throwing down. Well, I really want you to pick up what I'm throwing down. So next time you call it out, OK? All right.

I'll keep an eye out. I'll keep an eye on Slater's arms. A sentence I never thought I'd say. But here we are. There's one little thing at the end of this scene. The implication that Max may have cooked his dog and is serving them dog burgers, that is like. Pretty, pretty messed up. Yeah, that's all I got on that. Yeah, I mean, again, it's the Niños. We get away with things here.

I'm not so sure that this joke would land as well as it did. I don't even know if it landed then. But, you know, I mean, it is like the what the what the narrative is, is Max did accidentally cook a dog and serve it. And Screech is the only one eating it like that is on paper what's happening, which is nuts. That's just that's just too kooky. And back at Katie, why Zach is Wolfmen Zach, a play on Wolfman Jack, the famed radio broadcaster who goes all the way back to the 60s and worked alongside one Howard Stern at W NBC in the early 80s.

Look at that and look at that full circle. I open the our first show with Good Morning Bayside, stretching out the Good Morning, which was done in the nineteen eighty seven film Good Morning Vietnam with Robin Williams. Great movie. I love that. One of my favorite comedies about the Vietnam War, Full Metal Jacket and Platoon weren't if I could definitely have some laugh out loud moments. I like Zachs radio shirt too. That feels like different than what Zach traditionally wears.

It feels like like a choice, like he was going to be on the radio, so he dressed for it, even though, you know, you're not going to see it, but you hear it. Yeah, that's a shirt that I like in my wardrobe today.

And Screech is like the human sound effects board, which is know good use of screech. If this was a morning zoo crew, that's probably how Screech would fit in Kelly desire. What the hell kind of radio show for children is is going on here in this basement. I don't know.

I am I am going to say Kelly is pretty damn hot in this episode, I'm sure. Throw it out there. Yeah. You know, when you think of Kelly, you think of those like those tops that she's wearing in those little whatever shorts bottoms. I don't know of whatever is happening down there. She looks really good.

I guess this is the Kelly. This is this is quintessential Kelly, quintessential Kelly, which sounds like a band name or something. A Decemberists album. The quintessential Kelly or Lisa's Galloping Gasp. The Galloping Gossip List. Yeah, this this I think would not fly nowadays.

No way. Yeah. Like she's bullying.

She's doing she's getting on the radio to bully her peers. Also this this clip from Lisa also featured in the theme song, her at the microphone.

That's right. We're glad she's so cute with that. Anyone's keeping score. Gosh, that's what a great little outfit. A little outfit, everyone for their fun radio outfits.

And Dustin does a great job as well as well. Again, with screeches mystery theater. Yeah, very funny. Sound effects on point. Yeah.

Love's all right. We talked about the guy from Police Academy and this kind of like sound vocal sound stuff. Had a real moment, late 80s, early 90s. And yeah, he screech does a great job here. I'm consistently impressed by his impression work. And Slater is just it is I mean, it is funny how bad he is at this that he brought like a like a a horn to hit all his jokes with.

The good thing is he didn't need to do push ups before the scene, so his arms are at an angle there, too. He like rest the table. I mean, that's a natural thing to do when you're at a table, I would imagine. Right. I got into my I'm doing that right now.

You told me to keep an eye on it. Yeah, I'm doing it, too. I'm doing it on my knees.

Look, arms got to go somewhere, folks. It is also funny in this, you know, in this TV show or there's conflict and stakes and it's like the big act. One bombshell is like Slater's bad at the radio. And how do we tell them? Because they're just kids. You know, not everything has to be big, heavy, serious problems. Sometimes it's just hard to talk to your friend, tell them this book. And speaking of sex, this runner that someone should wave a skunk in front of Slater didn't make me laugh the first time.

Got a little chuckle the second time. By the third time, they're talking about waving a skunk in his face. I was I was laughing very hard. I think that is a hugely specific thing to hit over the head three times in one episode. People can't see my look. That I'm giving you, are you confused? I am very confused by you being tickled by this. Oh, it's so funny.

It's just so funny. Really, the idea of waving a skunk in front of someone yet to tell them they stink makes no sense. And the fact that multiple people keep reaching this conclusion that he is so bad, the only answer is to wave a skunk in front of him. It didn't work the first time, but the fact that they just kept hitting it. Really. It got it. Got it. I mean, I thought of it as when I thought visually.

Right. It's something that we we see in cartoons.

Sure. Do you even see I've never even thought of waving a skunk in front of something that makes no sense.

I guess not. I mean, I just chalked it up as being one of another one of those jokes, just like I again, I think doing something dumb once is not funny.

But if you're going to stick the landing and just keep doing the dumb thing, I think that's very funny.

That's just that's just my preference. Highbrow comedy. I mean, it's brow comedy. So the Christmas season is officially upon us, and while there is a lot about the holidays, it feels different this year. I know one thing that might make them just a little bit brighter. Wonder Woman nineteen eighty four is coming out on December twenty fifth and you'll have two ways to experience the epic adventure in theaters and streaming exclusively on HBO. Max Believe in Wonder Again with Gorgonio, Chris Pine, Kristen Wiig and Pedro Pasko.

Wonder Woman nineteen eighty four is rated PG 13 and sure to be a wonderful way. See what I did there to celebrate the holiday season with the ones you love. This seems like a bombshell of information that Bayside owns the max. Like what? What? And they don't want to keep it. For what reason? I mean, it's so paper thin. They want to pave paradise and put up a parking lot. They want to do the Joni Mitchell thing.

I mean, I'm shaking my head. You can't see that as well. But I'm shaking my head at this plot. It is it is very what's the word I'm looking for?

Convoluted, perhaps, that like they like this, by the way, the school owns owns the max. So that's who Max owes the money to. So Belding has to rebel against his school board again as an adult. It's like I mean. Yeah, convoluted.

That's the right word. I kind of cringed when I said his building balding. Only, only for the reason that I thought I wonder what Dennis thought of that joke when he read it. When you get the script, I mean, it's a shot at him at his expense and. Yeah, yeah, I think we're a little bit more sensitive to those things nowadays.

Right.

You know, we've talked about hairlines just last episode. Yeah. It's a it's a sensitive topic. Yeah. And he was I think he was thirty nine at this time. Maybe younger possibly. But again, do you believe that's that's that's not the last Belding balding joke in series. Oh really. Oh really. Yeah. There is another one. Do I say it like that. Do I say is like when somebody says something I go duh is balding, balding.

I think it's screech delivers it if memory serves and it's in the episode with Belding's brother and it's the, the line if I have it is two Belding's one of whom is balding. Oh. So it's like, it's like a fun vocal rhythm thing. Yeah. Mario once again holding something. I'm now closely watching his arms like a like an actual serial killer. But again, he's wearing a sleeved shirt. He doesn't need to keep him at a ninety so he won't.

Oh I see. So you're saying the I thought the ninety angle was at all times. His sleeves are also kind of they're kind of always trying to escape. If you look at his sleeves like they're always trying to move upwards, you know, as they will. Well, that's a very nineties kind of thing to roll up the cuff of your sleeves. I used to roll up the cuff of my pants as well. But no, I'd say only when.

Yeah, but I'm saying only when he keeps when he has a sleeveless shirt on does he keep him at a ninety. These kids having to deal with adults financial problems feels real shitty.

Also, these are like these are like big problems. Like an adult owing ten thousand dollars is not what you need to worry about when you're fifteen years old. Like, clearly, Max made some. This is again, a time where Ed should have been given more as a character. I want to know the choices Max made that landed him in ten thousand dollars of debt. He's like, oh boy. Burger prices went up like, no, you must have really blown it somewhere along the line, Max.

Like, yeah. Did he did he spend his money on ducks or rabbits? Yes, sir. You should be proud of my mind.

You know, I was like the price of baby ducks had to be through the roof that last quarter if you only bought and bought so many tiny birds.

Every time we see the the max, it's packed like he's he's making business. Should be, although. Yeah. I don't think you've ever seen. A non student at the max. Right, that's weird. No, like just an adult having a normal meal, right? Like, I wouldn't want to hang out at the restaurant that I knew was constantly mobbed with high school children, you know, so maybe you would happen across it. I mean, maybe it's a tourist that doesn't know.

But it's interesting that they made the choice to never. Put any one in there that wasn't part of Bayside, that is an interesting choice, I would agree, and it's one that I just picked up on right now. You should be picking up on this stuff. You're supposed to be the expert.

I know. But you know what? Remember I said I'm a fan of lazy.

I think I mentioned that earlier in this podcast.

Why not use your journey of discovery to. And you were there. But more like maybe that's why he's in debt is because we don't he gives us free stuff a lot, right? Yeah. I mean, why do you ever see us pull out cash? Do you ever have you know, you never see anyone be like, hey, but I didn't get a burger this time. I just got a soda can like that. And there's no money discussions, which you would think they'd be like constantly talking about the check now.

Yeah, interesting. So maybe yeah. Maybe that's it. Maybe he's he's given away that. I don't know. Yeah. When all your customers are kids I would think it's the other way. I would think when it's kids you could charge more because they're spending their parents money and they're like a step removed from the money. They don't understand finances the same way Mack should be rolling. It is what I'm suggesting. And he's in the Palisades. I mean, Rentz is going to be expensive, but, you know, I mean.

Right. Prices are going to be towards expensive. So what? Yeah, I again, I just there's no world where this business that is constantly packed, he's got people dumping quarters into the pay phone and arcade games all day long. Like this thing should be cash positive. He needs he needs some real help. Like, I think he's going to blow this ten thousand. He's going to be right back where he started in a matter of time.

So we're in Belding's office. And what I notice of this scene is that I do a lot of mugging like you mean the to cameras or to like just in general kind. No, to the camera. A lot of rolling the eyes, a lot of, you know, mugging. It's yeah. As an actor, it's something that you hate doing. And when you see it on screen and then at the end of the scene, Belding walks out.

And leaves to sit in his office. I had that in my notes, too. It's so stupid. Like, what is he like? I wouldn't there's just no world where anyone in a school would be like, all right, you two, I've got to leave now. You just hang out in my office alone. Let me close the door for you. And then, you know, Zack gets a good idea to or a brilliant idea of his is to get on the mic and pretend to be the principal and all he says school's out.

Oh, he's making the most of that moment for sure. Yeah. Like, I mean, it's you know, it's funny because these things as a child felt very cool to me. But now when I have watched them with more adult eyes, I was like, this just this is like this is this is not cool.

It's like you don't seem cool when you do that. Hey, not you.

But watching this scene and you see that building walks right out into the hallway, did you ever think like, oh, that's interesting. Where is the where is this the separation between like where's where's the secretary? Where's where's the you know, the woman who would allow you into his office like you see right there, a glimpse there. What you see right there, you get a glimpse of that. That door leads directly into the hallway where the lockers are, where we have most of our scenes.

And it's just that very paper thin door with his name on the door. Yeah.

Which in season one, there was a little more like the geography of Bayside wasn't as locked in and building, would regularly like he'd leave his office and come out of one of the holes right in the back. I think with the Lisa card is like he's kind of that's where the motion is. But they they solidify where his office is eventually. And yeah, it's really funny. They, like, slap his name on the door so everyone knows this is the principal lives here, right there, Camisea.

And this is a really tiny set and we've discussed this. When you're sitting in the audience, you're centered by the hallway. His is just to the left, just to the west if you're facing north. And it's just this tiny little thing with this tiny little door that separates this hallway. It's it's a funny geography that that our set was he just bought into it. Right? I mean, you thought this was a grand big school.

It made I mean, again, I didn't I wouldn't say I put on my thinking cap too many times as a youth watching this thing, but it did make sense. Yeah, it made it made sense then. But you would think he probably would have like some kind of administrative assistant or his office would be in a larger office of other sort of business stuff instead of like hearing kids slam their lockers all day long.

I mean, when you watch the new reimagining or reboot, as some people say, whatever you want to say by the bell, the new one on Peacock. That said, when I walked on that set, I was blown away like that, had multiple levels in multiple rooms, and it felt like a mini part of school, lots of sets to to film in you. It's funny you say that, because when you were describing, like the North, the campus geography, as it were, of of the original Bayside, I thought of my my time walking around the peacocks at as well.

And it was mind blowing because it was nothing like that. I mean, it's not there's no live audience. So it's a sort of a maze of different rooms and setups. But the actual the actual base, I think it felt yeah, it totally felt like a real school building. And when you look at it on the show, it it's almost hard to imagine it is a set. It feels so, so big compared to this, which is like accurate if it's, you know, a rich school in the Palisades, that's that's what you'd expect.

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And like everybody's hair looks great in this episode. And Zach, with the the iconic Converse basketball shoes as seen last week, I like to screeches reaction to everyone hitting him with the newspaper because he it's delayed that he turns around. Traditionally, someone hits you in the head, you immediately whip around. He kind of like pauses and then looks around as to what may have happened. And just like they couldn't tell later about him being bad is that took us out of that one.

Now, acto concludes with with a familiar say by the bell plot of like, you know what, guys, I'm quoting this. Someone generally does that to bring us on. Right. And Act three. Now, Mark Paul, this joke about Zach's people in the girls locker room out of that one, how did that one strike you? Because that's a crime. You can you wind up on a list forever. That's not good. It's not a good list to be on.

I mean, I think that it was funny when you were watching Porky's. Remember that film from the eighties? Oh, yeah. That that film, one of the many eighties comedies that that showcase is sex crimes. Yes, I do remember that. Absolutely. Yeah, it is a run of them. Yeah. There was a whole run of them. We learn the revelation that that D.J. building was was a bad man. He mooned the school board, the Zack Morris of the 60s.

I'd liked that picture of Dennis. I'm glad someone thought to use a big old picture in the paper, which, oddly enough, the paper looks the same as the paper they were just reading. I think it's the same newspaper. I'm going to say that it's the same L word that we used earlier in the show. Lazy. Yeah, yeah. The paper hasn't changed in twenty five years. No that's like it's the same, it's. Yeah it is either.

I mean it's the most well preserved newspaper certainly they're just ripping through that thing. And you know, this scene we're in Belding's office and Zack has the, the smoking gun that that building showed his butt as a youth on page three and four. Right. That's that. And now that is a good joke. That's fun for me.

But it is like this is like somewhere between, like, extortion and like. But he's also trying to be like, you inspire me. It's a very weird blend of like what is Zach's real intentions here? Because he's almost blackmailing Belding. But but then he's not. But then the implication is he's certainly good. And then sort of the rules shift and Zach becomes sort of the the the the parent in the room.

Yeah, the adults. It's odd. It's an odd scene.

This thing is just thrown together in a very, very peculiar way. I take from this that this is the time to go back to the war, the quintessential fun work sort of relationship between Beldon and Zach.

Right throughout the course of the series, they're always learning from each other. They have a you know, not quite Batman and the Joker kind of thing, but they're like foils. And they one exists only in the shadow and light of the other.

I just want to say, I've read there's a few times to watch. I love how he tries to reach for the paper and I pull it away. That's a that's a that's a really good pick. And I'm not anticipating it. I'm very and I pulled that off. And, you know, we make a good team right there. Yeah. You're not the guy I'm looking for. Yeah, I'm looking for a guy who would just he would just show his butt to anyone.

That's not you anymore. You're not the guy I need.

Here's the guy I need. Yeah, here's his.

But it's like this is like such a bizarre way to end it. It doesn't even it's not like building us has to think about it. It lands immediately because this episode is almost wrapping up. He doesn't have time to like have another scene about it. Zack gets through to him right away and they're going to. They're going to do the telethon together, seems like Max could have saved a little bit of money by not putting all of these props into the box.

I had the same thought. It's how much money are they spending just to get this telethon?

Well, that's usually the way it is for charities. Whenever you go to a charity and you think like they're asking people for money, but this charity, this event, this gala must have cost them thousands of dollars if they could have used it to try instead of asking me for money. Right. But there's like there's like the kind of like Vegas thing of like you got to like get to, like, put people in a money environment to get them to spend money.

And like, I think there's there's maybe some psychology, you know, it's like tricking them. That's what you're that's what you're experiencing in a charitable event, is you're being tricked into like feeling generous and building in his and his tiny jacket.

No, it's I really want that jacket. A funny costume. That's a jacket that I want. Do you. But do you want it like two sizes too small. I love that he's just like lost. He's either like the fabric has both receded and he's put on weight. It's just this like it's very funny for me. I'd see.

And again, I think that that is storytelling through wardrobe. And I, I totally buy that. I love that. I love little nuggets like that.

It's a quiet joke. It's it's. Yeah. And speaking of quiet, Max says nothing almost the entire episode, including all through the telethon, like you would think you get up there and, you know, make a car disappear or something. He's ashamed. He's ashamed. Look, guys, I blew it. He's a and I'm in debt. Ten thousand dollars in debt. What is he going to say? What's he going to say? I mean, yeah, I it just, you know, and thinking of our conversation with Ed and how they they didn't really give him a ton.

It just feels so odd to me that he's like he's there. He's not too ashamed not to be there. He's in the background. He's just like not doing anything. And I it's it's like what is going on with and not to jump to the end, but there's no like there's no gratitude or jeez, guys know nothing.

He's not like he's not like crying tears of joy that everything he worked so hard for isn't being ripped away from him for. Again what I can only imagine to be his own choices. Like it's not like the school board like strongarmed in or something. He just you don't just like accidentally slip and upset ten, ten thousand dollars. But if you look at the body language that, that Max has during the scene, it's not of a guy that really wants to be there now, you know.

Well, I did. I know. You mean I'm sorry. They're going to say not of a guy that's like really sad or something. That's what I thought. You know, he's like he looks like anxious and eager, like what's next on the telephone.

But I think he could take it or leave it. I mean, it's it's like a man. I mean, if we if we raise a ten grand great. If not, I'm cool.

You know, these meddling kids raising five figures of currency for this magician.

And is this the first time that we get to hear Dennis do the bell? Did the bell dinging the defending thing?

Yeah. Does he do that again? I don't. I thought this was the only time. Well, you tell me. I know. I well, look, I can't hold on to all the building building. Bell dinging Ding Dongs. You know, there's only so much rattling around up here. My ball.

What what song is that, too? I was on the tip of my tongue, but I couldn't get. Isn't that like a very edible kind of thing, though? Yeah. I mean, it's SpongeBob, but it's still then and, uh.

But what happens after the ding, ding, ding. That's where I couldn't it's like from the fifties it's like but it is from the fifties.

But it just it was on the tip of my tongue and I couldn't get it. And I didn't want to Google it because, you know, life only has so many surprises these days. So I wanted to I wanted to unlock it, but I didn't.

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One, how this would even raise money. Like, I don't understand who's calling into like it. Anything I would call in. So you don't run your mouth about my business, like, hold my information hostage and I'll pay you. That makes sense as a business. It's kind of a Jack was doing the building. But like this just I mean, McPaul, you have you have children and they attend school. Like if this was at your kid's school, it would be a big issue.

I'm sure if someone was like, yeah, yeah, it'd be like we got to like that kid probably get expelled for, like, essentially starting a podcast. So we're updating this story about, like gossiping about other kids. They would they would expel that child. Yeah.

Bobbie Tucker has a crush on Cindy Wasserman and he thinks that she's into him. But the big news is she's not she actually has a stable. Yeah. That she's running through. She's just she's just having a ball these days. Yeah. Like and like, what if that was your work environment?

Like, can you imagine walking into an office building and being like, gee, I know Steve thinks he's married to Rachel, like it would just be insane, you know? But this is what's going to pull Max out of ten thousand dollars of debt.

And notice what we just freeze framed, freeze framed, freeze.

Yeah, cause that's another probably another word that I should try to use besides freeze framed, freeze, freeze froze.

Freeze froze from again, this is what people want to hear. This is what the good stuff in our show is struggling to talk.

But we we paused on this. We're again looking at Max in the background.

He just I don't think he really wants to be there or discuss. I'm just he seems he seems interested in Bobby Wasserman or whatever.

Like he's like his eyes are like, whoa. Yeah. What's this hot gas. Yeah.

But we see one of the twins. But how about this. How about we see a Kelly look alike in the background. Which one do you think is the Kelly look alike moonlite white jacket.

I remember there's a photo. I'm sure you can look this up on that thing they call Google, but there's a photo of Tiffany kind of dressed similar to that, where it was like a black halter top and like the blazer and stuff like that. That's very Tiffany Kelly look right there. Yeah, I suppose it is. But before Dustin comes into this into this party, why are people coming through the kitchen? And by the way, you see the the boom is hanging out right there, too.

Oh, yeah. There is throughout this entire scene, that boom makes more than one appearance, by the way. I'll point out the next one, too.

I'm also just like a little confused of the mechanics of this telethon, like, are people giving their credit card information over the phone or they just they're just pledging and they'll show up later with with cash in hand. Well, I think that's how it worked back in the days right. When Jerry Lewis goes, it's stuff. Yeah, I'm pledging to give you this money.

But and I think until those dollars show up, you give you give your phone number, you give a credit card.

I mean, I guess I don't buy it back then. We didn't really use credit cards that much. You'd have to pay with a check, I guess. And all these kids are I mean, it just again, the mechanics of it, we don't need to we could be here all day, folks. But it does feel like what is I like how is this the best, the best version of this? But, you know, it's going to work and it'll save the day.

And Screech doing some more impressions here this time of Al Bundy, Married with Children, premiered in nineteen eighty seven, but was somehow already on season five in nineteen ninety. By the time Screech was doing this Al Bundy impression. Yeah. And Al Bundy was played by the actor Ed O'Neill. And Ed, I love Ed. We give you sort of sort of a background. Our show was shot at NBC one season. It was shot at Raleigh Studios one season.

It was shot at Sunset and Gower. One season. We were sort of shuffled all around because we've talked about this before. We never knew that the show was going to get picked up. It just was one of those things. It was like a happy pick up every time. But Ed was on the lot of Sunset and Gower, one of the seasons, and I would see him having lunch or dinner. And I was just such a fan of his.

I mean, he was he was so good as Al Bundy. But did you sort of give you some background? Ed played football and he was an undrafted free agent. He signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers and was let go after training camp in nineteen sixty nine. And he and I also share the love for Brazilian jujitsu. Ed got his black belt. Twenty seven after 16 years of being in the the martial art of jujitsu, and he's he's continuity's, he's he's been doing it practicing for for over 30 years now.

Wow. Look at that.

And that is a comprehensive one. One more thing. I've been to dinner with him pretty recently because he was friends with one of the producers of NYPD Blue, and it was just a small family and we'd have dinners together and just a sweet, sweet man and has been very, very successful as an actor, you know, since since married with children.

The impact of that show both on Ed O'Neil but also on Fox as a as a fledgling TV network, married with children and cops, launched Fox into the stratosphere along with The Simpsons. It was a a real turning point for broadcast television. And, yeah, I don't know what was critical in that. Yeah. And it's our duty. He's like he's had, like, the renewed success as a TV dad again in Modern Family so many years down the road.

I feel like that that journey is is uncommon to hit hit that big twice. Yeah. I mean, he's he's just he's made so much money on these TV shows just to compare the two saved by the bell. The high school years was Four Seasons. Yeah. Plus one season of of the college years. Married with children ran for 11 seasons. Yeah. It was one of I'm I'm not going to I think it was at the time one of the longest running live action sitcom.

So I don't know what like was a MASH or I think MASH is always the one that has been the longest running and it's always sunny. But yeah, they were on forever. Tiffiny Advertising also had a role in an episode of The Children. There's some there's some crossover there. Fun little fact. And when we get a call here at the telethon of Slater, you know, he's being the bigger person. Very minor thing. But I thought it was a cool use of it.

The the phone call comes in with like a slide sideways pink fuzzy bar. I think that's our first like, besides sweeping in pink fuzzy and it'll be back. It's a good transition effect. It makes it very clear you're on a phone call in, say, by the bell. Also, all these phones are or have cords on them. You don't see that every day. That's certainly a holdover from old technology, just walking around with a phone that's hooked up to the wall.

So this number, eight thousand one hundred thirty four, does that have significance to you? It kind of does, because we we move forward in time where everyone is asleep at the max, having worked their asses off to try to raise ten thousand dollars for a guy who seems to not really give a shit that we're raising this money, not even there anymore. Yeah, but after the time cut, that number remains the same. Are they saying that no one called after Slater called?

I think that I think that's the that's the joke is like Zach is like we're going to we got this like we'll be here all night or whatever. It's like it's like a big rah rah final push. And then they just that was the complete dead freezing of all calls. Yeah. I don't buy that storytelling. You would have liked to see it jump up like fourteen bucks or something. Sounds like little change the number.

Just a little something just because for, for me like watching the show and I had a great time watching this, but that, that just bothered me. It was just like I saw the number and then we cut to that number again and it was like I think that that's I would have made a fuss of that. Just just change it by eight dollars. Change it by. Oh, I love it. I just love it when we disagree. I think it's funnier that it stays the same.

I think it's funnier that that that it is a complete freezing. But you would have wanted a single digit increase just enough to change something, a change. I mean, I just don't buy that. Slater was the last call because we were rolling, we were going at it. And then all of a sudden, you know, I know these are going off the hook. And then Slater calls and he pledges his what did he pledge? A hundred bucks.

A hundred bucks? A lot, by the way. Which is it, by the way?

Again, it's a lot of money, a lot of money. These kids are being these kids are being so unfairly burdened.

But, you know, I guess I mean, yeah, they're like they're like joining the army and selling everything they own so their family can eat. It's unreal. What if you get this gold in these children's lives are assholes.

I mean, Kelly's father. Yeah, it's it's it's nuts. Slater's dad. Where do we meet? Yeah, Max, they're all our dad's a piece of work too is when we get around to meeting him. Right. I just want to point out, I think I could have done a better job with my acting here. I just just the scratchy voice thing that was that was my yeah.

That was my take of of being tired and having talked a lot was the Sluiter. I could have done something better. You got it. You can here's your shot, Martha. You can redo that. What would be your choice? We know you'd change the number by eight.

So what would you change about how would you how would you let's let's fix it. I don't want to fix it. This is why I don't watch that. Darn. Because I can't do it again. No, but this is the thing.

This is you know, it's like a mechanic, right. And you built you build something and then 30 years from now with better technology, you can't look at the product and go, oh, yeah, that's that's that's that runs just fine.

You'd like to go in there and kind of take what, airbags. Yeah. Put it some disc brakes on this thing. Right. I can't go in there and change this. I it's it's there for you to see but it's done. When I watch it I notice things like this and it's just like oh that like I didn't, I didn't take this as seriously I think as I should have and and I could have done better.

I think you took it about as seriously as I think it was the right amount of serious. You know, I don't know. I mean, this two minutes and I work with some really talented kids on my show on sixtyish. I watch a lot of television. And, you know, these kids nowadays. I just watched the Queen's Gambit. Boy, these these young actors are just so dialed in. And by the way, they're not kids, but the the new cast of, say, by the bell.

Yeah, Dexter Mitchell is scary. They're just they're so damn good. It's scary how good they are. I would very much agree. It is they are phenomenal. They're I've now watched the whole thing twice. They're yeah. They're they're all top notch. I don't know, maybe, you know, maybe just kids today though. It's like it's like athletes or something get like generations as it goes on and becomes more of a thing. They get better.

You know, you are in a you're in a newer class of child actor for sure. Or a young actor. Everyone say, oh, wait. Speaking of Markle's young actor, I saw that clip of you holding a news when you were like six years old or whatever it is from that that Nazi movie was it was Highway to heaven was Michael Landon.

You were a you were a little little red armband wearing Nazi with the news. What are you talking about? Not not a Nazi movie.

That's a Nazi. What's your definition of a Nazi, by the way?

I was a late bloomer, as you can see. But if I was, I think ten or eleven at that time. Yeah.

Oh, wow. You do seem you look you look way too young to be holding that large machine gun. Yes. It's a very disturbing clip. If anyone wants to go out there on the Internet and see a young child shooting a gun, it's there and it's it did. It freaked me out. But the irony of me being a Nazi with my background. Right. I know they would never let you into the club. It is so funny.

I mean, it's like you don't you don't have the genes. I it's it's crazy, right?

I mean, my father, on the other hand, being Dutch and being blond and blue eyed, he fit right. Oh he'd be right in there but yeah. No no question. I'm sure when when I walked on set and they saw this Asian woman escort me on the set, there must be a thought like, wait, what's going on here? We hired a blond kid. We hired an Aryan master race, a child.

And this is not we we want a refund.

Right. Let's just shoot this. Let's just get this over with.

Bad Action Act. It's not like people are still going to be talking about it three decades later on a podcast about a whole other show.

And, you know, here we go. So this this time the numbers did go up. By the way, when Belding falls asleep to now, the numbers do go up by like one hundred or something. Yeah. And that's why I didn't I didn't I didn't buy it. It should have gone up the first time.

And it's a little bit more than that, you know, little really talk you through it. Yeah, just a teeny bit. Now that we're still talking about it, I'm going to say you're right both because I think you are. And also I just want to no longer be talking about it. And that brings us to that brings us to Slater shown up to save the day, you know, with one of his like I'm trying to think of other times, Slater gives a big speech that that turns things around, it seems like not often, but he does it here and the phones light up.

Everything is going to be OK for Maxwell. Well, there's a moment in the in the new version as well. Where Slater gives a motivational speech was a bit reminiscent of this. I kind of saw the the parallel universe at work right there. You know, there's a lesson here, Mark and I know saved by the bell, you know, does its share of lesson teaching. But Slater opens this episode by saying his dream is to be a sports announcer, a broadcaster.

Turns out he's very bad at it. And you know what he does? He. He abandons his dream, and as much as people are going to tell you to follow your dreams and always follow what's in your heart, sometimes you will be bad at your dream and you need to shift courses and find a new dream. So I thought that was a a valuable thing to teach kids on Saturday morning. Give up if you suck. That's that's not bad advice, by the way.

It's not the worst advice. Like you should follow your dreams to it to a certain point. And if that's not working out or you're just not equipped for that particular dream, just get a new dream. They grow on trees and this freeze frame at the end, Max, finally just drags his ass over there to, like, put his hand in the middle. These kids saved his life. Like the debt I would feel to these children is like is lifelong, a lifelong debt to these children.

But did he want to be there? That's the question. No, I mean, Edwards, I'm now that I know what I know, I was probably thinking, like, this is bullshit. This episode is called Save the Max. How about we hear from Max about Max does anything. He doesn't even do a magic trick. This episode, which is like the signature max thing, he's too broke to do magic.

So maybe that's like telling of his story that concludes save the max. We do have homework for next week. Little episode called Driver's Education. And this should be near and dear to your heart, Marco, because we've talked a lot about cars and especially being a youth without a license and the want to drive cars. So, yeah. Any any thoughts, any guesses.

I mean, about drivers and what you need to guess about. You know, like I say, it spells it out in the title but is going to be fun. I have some interesting stories about driver's ed and not just contained to the to the episode, but my life and things. So stay tuned. Yeah, it'll be fun. It features the it features the car from the podcast art. Oh. When you pitch that as an Easter egg for our podcast, you do know that I had no idea what that was.

Yeah.

I'm sure you were like why the hell is Dashiell emailing this weird like Wayne's World looking car to everyone? You know, it's it's an iconic I we're really fast and loose with the word iconic this run.

It's an iconic image from the show. We'll see you next week. Thank you, Mark. Paul, thank you. The listeners. We'll see you next week. Zach to the Future is a production of Caden's Thirteen. It's executive produced by Mark Paul Goslar, myself and Chris Corporate Production and direction, led by Terrence Mangan editing a mastering by Andy. Its Engineering and Production Coordination by Sean Cherry. Artwork by Kurt Courtney with illustrations by Jeff MacCarthy. Marketing is led by Josephine Francis with PR by Hilary Suf.

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